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Gosh Golly Gee. She’s got wrinkles too

I came hoNewsweek Coverme tonight to this week’s Newsweek and quite frankly I’m getting close to calling it NewsWEAK.

I mean, disclaimer I’m a guy, is it really necessary to have a cover that seems to be peering through a dermatologist’s magnifying glass?  Would they, could they put such a close-up of purple lips on the cover?

I sure hope that isn’t a racist comment by your host?

The Palin Problem

 

Yes, she won the debate by not imploding. But governing requires knowledge, and mindless populism is just that—mindless.

Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK

A key argument for Palin, in essence, is this: Washington and Wall Street are serving their own interests rather than those of the broad whole of the country, and the moment requires a vice president who will, Cincinnatus-like, help a new president come to the rescue. The problem with the argument is that Cincinnatus knew things. Palin sometimes seems an odd combination of Chauncey Gardiner from “Being There” and Marge from “Fargo.”

Is this an elitist point of view? Perhaps, though it seems only reasonable and patriotic to hold candidates for high office to high standards. Elitism in this sense is not about educational or class credentials, not about where you went to school or whether you use “summer” as a verb. It is, rather, about the pursuit of excellence no matter where you started out in life. Jackson, Lincoln, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Clinton were born to ordinary families, but they spent their lives doing extraordinary things, demonstrating an interest in, and a curiosity about, the world around them. This is much less evident in Palin’s case.

Pardon me but would a governor of lets say Arkansas have been questioned about his fitness for the job because he’s not an expert on Somali Pirates?  I think not.

Would any man get a closeup centerfold like this?

Palin Centerfold

A little more because I know the ladies just eat this stuff up.

What do we know about Palin after, as she put it with a wink, “like, five weeks”? That she can be a superb political performer (she held her own against Biden, projecting an image of warmth and toughness) and she can be a poor one (too many questions in the debate went completely unanswered, and the Couric interview is full of moments no candidate would like to have out there). But that is only human. Everyone has good days and bad days. Her syntax is sometimes a world unto itself. But George H.W. Bush occasionally sounded as though English were more foe than friend, and he was an astute president who managed complexity with skill and balance. The arsenal of folksy phrases—”doggone it,” “you betcha”—grates on some, but seems just great to others.

Is it just me or has the world of journalism turned upside down?  I thought Hillary’s one supporter, Katie Couric, asked questions she never would have asked the Governor of Arkansas who spoke real funny too.  She would not have asked those questions of most other woman Governors, but this one talks funny and didn’t go to Yale.Huckster

I’ve had it.  I don’t really care who wins anymore.  I’m  done with the ASShoelite Party.

On to the debate in the slim hope that McCain knocks Barry to the floor.

Another post from the hampster cage.  Live Debate Chat at Partizane.com

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Comment by moi61537 | 2008-10-08 07:07:48

I worked may way through college and sometimes took loans to support my family. It took 10 years. I was not a rich terrorist kid who tried to kill but got off on a technicality. Nor was I a disadvantaged class able to use affirmative action or quotas. Just an average student trying to support a family and earn a degree. It really irritates me that Ayers and Dohrn get away w/ terrorism, the Obamas can trash America in speeches and not be called on it. Folks like me, worked hard w/o rich parents or perks, respected others and our country and now those who had advantage but are ungrateful are about to control the US. Immigrant friends of mine are so happy to be here and thank God every day for the safety and opportunity we have. Ayers and the Obamas hate capitalism and prefer to advance a socialist state. Its a nightmare.

Comment by Denise | 2008-10-08 08:35:17

My question is why do you still subscribe to Newsweek?

Comment by mimi | 2008-10-08 09:12:40

Thank you!

That’s what I want to know.

As long as we give them money, they’re safe.

 

Comment by fif | 2008-10-08 09:28:37

I cancelled months ago when I got my umpteenth cover with Barry’s huge portrait on the cover, with perfect lighting and airbrushed. I called and spoke to the subscription department to tell them exactly why I was cancelling: because it is nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Obama campaign.

 

Comment by IndayHill | 2008-10-08 13:56:50

I cancelled my subscription since it began its’unfair publications, especially to Senator Hillary Clinton.Newsweek is another of Obama’s dirty, vicious & poisonous tentacle.
I also cancelled my local paper & informed the editorial that I own my vote & not their editorial endorsement of Obama.Journalism is LAZY to report the truth about Barack Obama.
McCain/Palin ‘08
God Save America !

 
 

Comment by V | 2008-10-08 09:58:12

Who paid for Barack Obama’s Harvard Law education?

Comment by shadow | 2008-10-08 10:03:43

Who got him into Harvard? Who got him the presidency of the Harvard Law Review? Too many questions about “The One”. That Odinga tape scares the crap out of me and should every PATRIOTIC American.

Comment by nancysabet | 2008-10-08 13:35:30

He got into harvard because of Affirmative Action. There is not a single legal article and written essay in the Review written by Obama. Harvard Law Review is well known of its sexism and how it has treated women lawyers.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 13:44:41

Hmmmm….Until Barky shows his papers I’m NOT buyin any CLAIM he makes in his Autobiofictionals…It’s not hard to fake anything now adays…BARKY HAVE YOUR DNC TERRORIST LAWYER DROP OFF THE RECORDS AT THE COURTHOUSE IN PHILLY…BERG IS WAITIN

I’m just sayin’

 
 
 
 

Comment by MoniQue | 2008-10-08 09:59:15

That’s why Obama refers to us as “they.”

He is NOT one of us and despises us, that’s why he changed his name Barry to Barak. He doesn’t want to be an American and definitely not a middle class one.

FLUSH THE TANK OF OBAMA!

 

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 20:26:03

“I’ve had it. I don’t really care who wins anymore. I’m done with the ASShoelite Party.”

My sentiments exactly! I’m sick of it and just want this election to be over!

 
 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-10-08 07:17:58

Well Meacham has a point. Unlike Obama, Palin has never stood up to the corrupt bosses in her own party and won, taken on big oil companies and made them submit to outside inspectors on their sites, taxed windfall oil profits, got an agreement with another country to build a massive natural gas pipeline that others have been unsuccessfully trying to do for years.
Oh wait! She has!!!!!!!!

Meanwhile Obama was sucking up to political bosses and fixers, ignoring the fact that his own constituents were languishing in slums that his main benefactor owned, attending a radical, anti-white church for 20 years without noticing anything untowards, and hanging out with a guy that to this day says his terrorist acts did not go far enough.

I agree with Meacham. There is no comparison!

Comment by LookingForwardTo2012 | 2008-10-08 09:40:37

Does Newsweek have a section for Reader Replies? If so, this would be an outstanding piece to send!
Your first sentence would hook Obama supporters in,
and by the time they realize it’s sarcasm…they’ve already had to read something positive about Sarah Palin and negative about Barack Obama!

There is probably a name for this writing style, but I don’t know it. Absolutely superb!!!

 
 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-10-08 07:18:24

I lived in Berlin before the wall came down. I learned a new appreciation for what freedom is worth.

I am once again offended at the press for the nasty characterisation of Governor Palin. You a demned right had she been a man this would be moot.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Even more reason to hand her Hillary’s baton and bash it right through the glass ceiling. For all women.

Comment by joseyJ | 2008-10-08 07:38:34

Remember – Newsweek is part of the MSM that consistently OMITS Obama’s middle name.
So, obviously they won’t provide a photo of that mole on Obama’s face enlarged 300x.

Comment by V | 2008-10-08 09:45:56

Remember – Newsweek is part of the MSM that consistently OMITS Obama’s middle name.

What is Sarah Palin’s middle name?

Comment by Chiten | 2008-10-08 10:39:41

Louise (and Heath, her maiden name)

 

Comment by onmomnaturesside | 2008-10-08 10:42:12

Louise

Sarah Louise Palin

Barack Hussein Obama

 
 

Comment by blatant bias | 2008-10-08 12:15:28

joseyJ you are so right about the MSM usually omitting Obama’s middle name. In fact the MSM is so biased that they usually omit Obama’s middle name and ALWAYS omit Mccain’s middle name. I had no clue what Mccain’s middle name was until I googled it. I bet you don’t even know Mccain’s middle name either. I bet about 99 percent of everyone reading this has no clue what Mccain’s middle name is. It is blatant bias for the MSM to omit a candidate’s middle name, and the fact that pretty much no one has ever heard Mccain’s middle name is proof positive of just how extreme that bias is. When the MSM OMITS Mccain’s middle name they are blatantly trying to throw the election.

 

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 20:28:26

Exactly! That knob on the side of his nose is pretty nasty! The media has sure done a good job of hiding it though.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-10-08 07:41:43

I believe all the problems in this country are the fault of the media. Instead of informing they misinform, the corporations pay them to misinform and propagandize.

 
 

Comment by Liz B | 2008-10-08 07:27:13

I will not be buying the newsweek issue on Sarah Palin, or any other issue of Newsweek, for that matter. I am seriously offended by the way both female candidates have been treated in this election. BTW Ladies, I hope EVERY Barack-loving woman out there realizes if they vote for him and elect him, there will be no woman in the White House for at least four years, and maybe even eight. It won’t ever be Hillary either way. Obama intends to have Congress raise the maximum age of running for office to 65. That, would affect Hillary even if she challenged him as an Independent in 2012, because she would be turning 65 in October 2012. Coincidently, no talk of that age cap carrying over to the House or Senate, because, no one would vote to pass it into law. Sexism, and Ageism will be well tolerated in an Obama Administration, but I have a feeling that won’t be where it ends.

Comment by joseyJ | 2008-10-08 07:44:02

Obama will create jobs – opening Obama tatoo shops all around the country.
Obama’s Tatoo Police is already functioning under the guise of the Race Police – interpreting and s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g any comment from opponents as “racist.”

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 09:03:49

A little OT – but happy news:

good little 0bamacrat indicted

Kernell, an economics major at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, faces a maximum of five years in prison, a $250,000 fine and a three-year term of supervised release.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-10-08 09:07:43

is this the one who hacked Palin’s yahoo email account? Good, hope he enjoys prison life. Take note other satanic kooks…crime doesn’t pay except when trading ass in prison for a pack of Lucky Strikes.

 
 
 

Comment by JozefAL | 2008-10-08 18:01:33

Liz, that “maximum age limit” you suggest would have to be a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT*. That means that 38 STATE legislatures would have to approve it.
It won’t happen. (If it does, then more than a few people will start pressing for similar amendments which would either impose term limits on members of Congress or a similar maximum age limit for running for Congress.)

*Anything which would alter the “rules” of the Presidency has to be done through the Amendment process.

 
 

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 07:28:40

the last debate should be between cindy and mechelle

one, saving lives around the world because she is rich and she needs a hobby/(last few words were sarc/)

the other one kicking sick people out of the hospital and getting rich and getting bonuses for each person dying.

now that will be fun

Comment by trails | 2008-10-08 07:31:12

Newsweek = Goebbelsspeak

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 07:57:20

Main stream Media ( MSM ) = IQ PORN
MSMPorn

 
 
 

Comment by SlowBurn | 2008-10-08 07:31:31

THE SOCIALIST STORY ON OBAMA SHOULD REMAIN AS A PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED POST THROUGH ELECTION DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by tek | 2008-10-08 07:44:28

It’s not socialism that’s the problem. Obama is controlled by corporatists and they’re all facists. Hitler was a facist.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:12:58

The Plastic Jesus is a perfect synthetic candidate…for a synthetic culture…methinks…
Barky is a FASCIST…WITH A DASH OF COMMIE…

FASCISM IS THE IDEAOLOGY…SOCIALISM THE MECHANISM…

Of course with Barky you could reverse this and have the same result…TROUBLE…

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:24:23

u r getting bolder and bolder

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:03:06

Ehemmmm….sorry…sometimes I just want to make a point…Beg pardon…

 
 
 

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 20:34:18

You are soooo right tek. I don’t believe Obama has any core ideology other than a belief in himself as ruler of the world. He is an extension of GWB’s neocon regime, only this stealth fascism is now cloaked as Liberal or Leftist.

A fascist is a fascist where it he be from the right or the left.

 
 
 

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 07:31:56

maybe we should send the art director of newsWEAK, the palin’s cover from vogue … that will be a small lesson to esthetics 101, or in this case 001.

 

Comment by tek | 2008-10-08 07:37:26

Close-up of purple lips! LOL!!! The first thing my husband said when he saw Obama speaking on TV was that his lips are purple! God, do we really have to have this loser in the WH?!!

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 07:47:01

BF told me last night he preferred watching the Palin debate.

I wonder why?

heh

 

Comment by Khan Krum | 2008-10-08 14:31:37

I thought I was the only one that was freaked out by that! Purple lips and ashen orange makeup(?). That’s a pretty weird combo.

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 20:38:28

Biden is the one who looked eerily grey during the debate with SP. All I could think of was how grey he looked. His forehead looked weird too. (I otherwise, like the guy—it’s BO I can’t stand.)

 
 
 

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 07:37:53

esthetically, in a photograph, one never cuts the chin or the nose.

on this cover, they cut both. esthetically is a bad photographs or in this case an intentional bad framing to make the face distorted and incomplete.
shows the poor choice of the art editor, who actually makes the final decision

is there a WORSt cover of the year award?!

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 07:52:53

It’s bizarre.

You’re correct, it violates the conventions of portrait or editorial photography, but it’s just shy of making some kind of edgy statement.

If they really wanted to be “artsy” and push the envelope, they could have zoomed in close on her nostril, and then deconstructed the rest of her face around it. They could have gone to town with Photoshop, using filters, screens, etc. combining it with illustration techniques.

Instead it just looks like someone in the art dept. goofed.

I would like to see a graphic of Lady Liberty wearing Palin eyeglasses.

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:03:46

i do not have a problem with “edgy” portraits.

but. if one has the NEWSWEEK or any other logo across the top, takes away the concept of “edgy” portraiture

is that also a highlight running down her chin. they left the line intentionally

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:08:01

OK…I’LL WEIGH IN ON THE AESTHETICS…chuckle…
The cover is very POP ART PHOTO…in composition.
Andy Warhol threw Those rules out the window…
imho…the cover aesthetically…is n keeping with that sensibility. Is it effective? Depends on who you ask…But then again that’s the game in discussing aesthetics…aaaaaand advertizing…

( MFA’s are good for somethin…lol…)

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:17:48

i never expected this exchange on this blog.

i totally agree with you. at the same time, i believe newsweek lost because, one, they used Palin for the cover to attract buyers. with a bad portrait, they will turn off many.

i tried to find a larger image of the cover, but even newsweek does not have one. later i will stop at a stand to see it, up, close and personal.

this is the vogue one

http://dunningrb.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/sarah-palin-on-the-cover-of-vogue/

obviously they wanted to glamorize her. good material.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:40:02

thanks for the link bracelet…TheREAL VOGUE PHOTO…IS TERRIFIC…LOVE THE BOOTS AND THE PLANE
THE OTHER ONE…IS TRAGICALLY FUNNY…LOL

I prefer it to Barky’s Baywatch Photo…LOL…Barky’s swinging pectorals…lol…I wonder if his healthcare plan would cover a little cosmetic boosting…I mean what is good for the Goose…C’mon Barry start a TREND…FREE MEN UP FOR PECTORAL BOOSTING….

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:44:55

because u r a figurative painter. i always had a problem with barky’s posture, his walking. the beach photo is not too complimentary. what is he doing in the gym. chatting with the spot up person?!
forgot …he is texting

 

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:49:56

forgot also

the ACORN team has the pecs. they do the dirty work.

FREE MEN UP 4 VOTE BOOSTING

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:59:55

RFLMAO…HEY Bracelet…I paid for mine with Barky Coins…lol…
PUTIN WILL LOVE BARKY…ALMOST AS MUCH AS HE DID SHRUB…I’m just sayin’

I read yesterday that the taliban is in negotiations with Afgan Govt. and has forsaken association with Al Queda ( UK PRESS )…How come MSMPORN…aint’ talkin about that?….interestink…no?

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by NewHampster | 2008-10-08 08:42:21

Bracelet, The cover is home but I think the chin highlight is the pricing/indicia stuff

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:52:08

thanks. forgot about those logos

Comment by NewHampster | 2008-10-08 09:56:55

But, and maybe as an MFA you can answer this. Wouldn’t a cover artist/editor be very aware of all cover overlays and logos? If I was in that job my screen would even have an address label which somehow conveniently blocks important text.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 10:00:30

of course…..

It’s a smear story.

(She did too well in the debate!) :)

 
 
 
 

Comment by Cat in NJ | 2008-10-08 09:25:51

When I worked in a corporate art dept yrs ago, we hired a prominent NYC ad agency to produce commercials for us. We got the confirmation (reluctantly) from a creative director that we always suspected … subliminals ARE indeed used in images, esp. magazine covers. Lots of words (images are found more in product ads) etched into lines, hair, etc., like sex, f-ck, die, death … keywords that dive headfirst into the human psyche, with male and female perception variations. This isn’t conspiracy, paranoia — it’s believed to be effective, which is why our government outlawed this practice in the early ’70s. It’s on ALL mag images … just the messages vary. Expect extreme negatives on all Palin images. The most extreme I saw was a W-Bush TIME cover. Even my shrink husband couldn’t believe how obvious it was. I’m not nuts. Just take a look. It’s fascinating.

 

Comment by IndayHill | 2008-10-08 14:49:43

How about letting Newsweek know how “appreciative” we are for their obvious degrading of a woman.I suggest we send them our “love note” for next week’s issue. I bet they’ll delete our response.That’s ok, as long as we show them our force!
letters@newsweek.com

McCain/Palin ‘08

God Bless America !!!

 
 

Comment by InsightAnalytical-GRL | 2008-10-08 07:41:06

Newsweak…I think I called them that too, awhile back…or Newspeak…or Newsfreak! (see below on their loss of credibility….)

More current….here’s an interesting tidbit….

I Found This Tidbit When I Wasn’t Watching the Debate….RE: Ayers/Obama Early Relationship

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/i-found-this-tidbit-when-i-wasnt-watching-the-debatere-ayersobama-early-relationship/

More on Newsweek…and Time…for idiots only….

July 21st Editions of Newsweek & Time Pander as Obama Travels: One “Revisits” His “Spiritual Quest,” the Other Uses Mandela (and Fudges His Birthdate, Prints an Old Web Story as Current, and Uses a “Black Power” Fist to Illustrate) (Update 1X)

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/july-21st-editions-of-newsweek-time-pander-as-obama-travels-one-revisits-his-spiritual-quest-the-other-uses-mandela-and-fudges-his-birthdate-prints-an-old-web-story-as-current-and-u/

 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-10-08 07:45:40

this is pretty lame. They are trying to discredit Palin w her appearance? omg…LOL…desparation 101
Palin is drawing HUGE CROWDS. She is speaking up and after all of the trash talking about her I much doubt she cares what kind of cover Newsweek has.

I voted early yesterday in Indiana. Straight Republican Ticket.

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 07:50:49

congrats on your straight RED ticket.

i will do the same but i really like to vote on the voting day. a

and i will cast also a big vote against Pelosi. 4 more weeks.

 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 08:25:14

Well, she’s too pretty to actually make her look bad. So they missed the mark.

 

Comment by Judy L. NC | 2008-10-08 09:48:06

Heartiest congratulations! Early voting starts here next week.

 

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 20:43:17

She still looks pretty, though!

 
 

Comment by hootnannie | 2008-10-08 07:49:45

Anyone who thinks Bobo has it in the bag should check the facts re the Bradley Effect. And I believe he would have problems with non-survey taking voters regardless of his being black. These people are probably culturally conservative folks who don’t cotton to elitists, socialists, terrorist sympathizers, big-city crooks, and whitey-haters. And there are plenty of them out there. They put W in the White House twice, for cripes sake! And not only are the non-racial facts about Bobo extremely troubling, but his minions insult hillbillies and common folks of all sorts, accusing us of racism if we complain about terrorists and basically telling us we’re too stupid to know what’s good for us! It’s like they think they’ve already won and the victory party has begun.

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 07:57:52

I thought the Bradley effect meant that the person being polled was fearful of giving the appearance of being racist, not that they really are prejudiced.

I also believe that there’s enough soft support of 0bama out there…that some in his camp when in the booth can’t bring themselves to vote for the newcomer on the scene, for the simple fact that he is an unknown. Too many questions around him.
McCain is the “comfortable old shoe”, as Zogby said.

 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-10-08 09:25:24

well said and I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve said before, Republicans/conservatives don’t give a rats ass if you call them racists or not. They do however take offense to being called bitter, old, useless out of date citizens. They are traditional and BO is not.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 07:52:09

I’m from Texas…And I remember being this frustrated when Shrub was runnin in 2000…I mean he was getting so much help from the press it was laughable. I knew it would work too because he had beat Anne Richards. I was still pissed off in 2004 and for the first time actually sat out that one in my own little protest to Kerry the schmuck! Now i see the whole thing again only worse
I’ll vote for McCain….Aaaaand do anything I can to get these democrats out of congress and replace them with other democrats and independents..Of course I don’t know how much longer we’ll have a congress if Barky is elected….Grrrrr!!!

BTW…Paln reminds me a lot of Anne Richards…2 strong women who are sincere and funny…and not afraid of anybody…I love that. Stand tall Sarah

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:21:39

i worked as a telemarketer for 2 weeks. i raised money for anne richard. before i went for my MFA in photography.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:31:43

Kool…Miss Anne Rchards ( sigh ) Aaaand Molly…
oh to read what Molly would have written about this mess…
( My MFA is in painting…so as a figurative painter I was offering more of a compositional take…rather than a technical one…MFA – UT?…I’m PENN 89′ )

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:40:26

ASU ‘94

telemarketing was 1990.

i was using all kind of alternative photo techniques and later i destroyed faces in many way. not like bacon.

having this portrait of a politician, already tells me the content of the article, their VIEW (now, that’s an appropriate word).

yes, Molly will have some comments about this.

 
 
 
 

Comment by OhVoter | 2008-10-08 07:53:03

I LOVE MSNBC (and the rest of the MSM), don’t you?

Chris Matthews (post-debate):

“Barack Obama is gifted in birth by a wonderful smile…”

“John McCain, when he smiles, has a somewhat menacing quality. It may not be purposeful, but when he smiles, you wonder what he’s really thinking.”

“Barack Obama, for whatever reason, comes off as debonaire, even under attack.”

Olbermann (post-debate):

“McCain, and I’m trying to say this as nicely as possible, didn’t look like a well man wandering around on that stage tonight.”

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 07:58:12

He did get lost a couple of times, but the problem was the lights indicating he was suppose to be on. Obama just kept talking.

The format was not good for showcasing McCain. He looked older.

And his answers to the exact same questions in the former debate were more sharply worded.

His answers this time were fuller on the economy.

The pundits today are saying it was a stalemate, but I really thought Obama “won” this round. The last debate I thought McCain won handily.

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 08:18:59

I don’t think 0bama won, I’d call it a draw.

0bama came off as immature and a punk, whereas McCain was able to stay within the rules. Brokaw even had to smack down B.0. at one point.

0bama got rattled a couple times and he became shrill. Also, when he began his answer on “the 0bama Doctrine”, he started off on one of his famous rambles. I was listening at that point, not watching, and it was really hard to figure what the man was talking about. Something about the holocaust?

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 20:47:26

Obama also kept trampling over the rules with regard to the time limits, etc. What a jerk. The rules apply to everyone else but him. That impression was repeatedly reinforced.

 
 

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-10-08 11:56:23

Let’s not forget McCain was a POW. Just try to imagine how 5 years of a life like that would affect the rest of one’s life. If anything, the look of McCain is testament to his service for his country.

 
 

Comment by pm317 | 2008-10-08 08:07:34

Maybe Obama and his sidekick Biden should do a toothpaste commercial.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:26:54

LOL….THANKS for the laugh pm317…I LOVED MAC’S REFERENCE TO HAIR TRANSPLANTS LAST NIGHT…It was petty…But funny

 
 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 07:54:43

The Palin Problem title says it all. Smear piece. Let’s see, she energizes her base. Her crowds are huge. She’s effectively attacking her opponent, the traditional role of the VP candidate.

What problem? O’s problem, I guess.

 

Comment by Mary Cusack | 2008-10-08 07:57:16

we’re doomed. Barack will have our country dead within the year

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:01:35

We are not doomed as I don’t think Barky will win…I will repeat…OBAMA WILL NOT WIN!

 

Comment by pm317 | 2008-10-08 08:01:55

Susan, another open thread on debate will be useful. Here is an OT but important from Boston Globe! Spread it, write about it.
—————

JEFF JACOBY
Obama’s 180 on genocide

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | October 8, 2008

JOHN MCCAIN’S opening words last night were: “Senator Obama, it’s good to be with you at a town hall meeting!” Indeed it was. We now know why Barack Obama declined McCain’s invitation earlier this year to appear together in a series of 10 town hall meetings around the country. This is the format in which McCain excels, and he excelled last night. He was substantive, sympathetic, strong – sure of himself, his facts, and his convictions. On issue after issue, McCain sounded clear and mature. In a word, presidential.

Though most of the debate dealt with domestic issues, it was a foreign-policy question that sent me flying to my files. Moderator Tom Brokaw asked the candidates what their “doctrine” would be “in situations where there’s a humanitarian crisis, but it does not affect our national security,” such as “the Congo, where 4.5 million people have died since 1998,” or Rwanda or Somalia.

In such cases, answered Obama, “we have moral issues at stake.” Of course the United States must act to stop genocide, he said. “When genocide is happening, when ethnic cleansing is happening . . . and we stand idly by, that diminishes us.”

But that wasn’t how Obama sounded last year, when he was competing for the Democratic nomination and was unbending in his demand for an American retreat from Iraq. Back then, he dismissed fears that a US withdrawal would unleash a massive Iraqi bloodbath. “Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep US forces there,” the AP reported on July 20, 2007 (my italics).

What kind of candidate is it whose moral response to genocide – genocide – can reverse itself 180 degrees in a matter of months? Is that the kind of candidate who ought to be the leader of the free world?

Jeff Jacoby can be reached at jacoby@globe.com.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/08/obamas_180_on_genocide/

Comment by wodiej | 2008-10-08 09:17:56

he got a grateful e-mail for being objective and honest. A rarity in journalism these days. thank you for posting.

 
 

Comment by lark | 2008-10-08 08:04:32

Obama on healthcare. Two prong approach. Similar to Hillary’s approach. One, to increase employer groups by size and quantity. The premise that more and bigger will reduce rates. Nothing else. Question. Will larger employer/employee groups lower premiums? No. Why?

Mandated coverage for employees will add unhealthy risky and uninsurable into the pool, increasing cost. Okay. Okay.

Will prevention programs and internet records reduce premiums by 25 hundred dollars? No. Why?

Doctor supervision of risky patients will increase visits, increase costs and permanently profile subjects as higher risk individuals.

Would you like to be profiled as a risky unhealthy subject? Then do not vote for employer mandated program.

Two. Second prong. Insure the uninsurable, high risk, unhealthy and catastrophic prone subjects through the Federal government health insurance pool. Will that lower the cost to those that currently are benefiting from the Fed gov HIP? No. Why? For obvious reasons.

Will the Fed gov HIP work more efficiently and better with an extended pool of 50 million subjects, mostly high risk individuals? No. For obvious reasons.

The Obama/Hillary plan. A disaster in the making.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 08:11:47

I think so. I see none of the real benefits of Hillary’s plan and most of Obama’s problem. He explained his plan well last night. My issue is that it won’t work as he’s suggesting, and we can’t afford it right now.

They just should open up a government-sponsored health care plan for a reasonable cost to the public, and call it a day.

Comment by Mr. Natural | 2008-10-08 08:57:12

The root problem is the skyrocketing costs of medical care. We’re currently at 17% of GNP. That’s nuts. Other countries, like Norway and Singapore, run full blown health care systems on less than 7% of GNP.

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2008/01/singapores_heal.html

And last I heard, American insurance companies are making 45-50% margins on the scam.

Comment by lark | 2008-10-08 09:40:05

And who do we need to thank for that?

Well the AMA of course.

And where do doctors have their investments in?

Well in health insurance companies, of course.

And what’s the problem, really?

The AMA is the problem.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Linda | 2008-10-08 08:07:29

And it seems the American people are letting the entertainters aka Media and our journalists turn our news in to propaganda and choose and promote their chosen chandidate.

Scary is they claimed by overwhelming numbers they KNEW the media was pushing Obama at us and he, not just by their obvious awareness, but all reports, that confirm the major bias in pushing candidate Obama with tons of positive news coverage and covering up his failures.

 

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:09:41

Comment by beebop | 2008-10-08 09:13:01

No …. read the whole post … it’s a photoshop send up. Do you really think she’d let them do that? I kinda think she’d be holding Trig just to show that being a good, loving mother is as sexy as that dress and hair job … but maybe it’s just me looking for a little daring!

Comment by J.J. | 2008-10-08 11:44:57

Yep, its Photoshoped. They put Sarah Palin’s head on Rudy Guilliani’s body.

 
 
 

Comment by Sassy | 2008-10-08 08:11:03

” reasonable to hold candidates for high office to high standards ”

Okay, I’m waiting!

I presume the author was only referring to SOME candidates!

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 08:32:19

This is what upsets me more than the cover designed to be unflattering:

Yes, she won the debate by not imploding. But governing requires knowledge, and mindless populism is just that—mindless.

She’s “mindless”, why because she’s a good looking female? If this campaign cycle has done anything, it is to enlighten us to the reality that sexism is alive and well in the 21c.

Comment by Annie Oakley | 2008-10-08 09:23:06

This is the kind of elitism that gives snobbery a bad name.

“mindless populism is just that–mindless.”

That’s so clever, so circular.

How about “essential populism is just that–essential.”

 
 
 

Comment by Eden | 2008-10-08 08:13:01

They are bringing up the magazine cover on FOX News next.

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:28:24

what did they say about the cover?!

 
 

Comment by lark | 2008-10-08 08:16:46

Insure the uninsurable. Will high risk, unhealthy and catastrophic prone subjects through the Federal government health insurance pool lower the cost to those that currently are benefiting from the Fed gov HIP? No.

In that case, how much will it cost the Federal government to insure their present pool plus 50 million new high risk unhealthy and catastrophic prone subjects?

Billions and billions and then a few more billions.

Will the problem then be solved forever? Will everyone be insured? Yes.

How much will you pay for health insurance then?

Lets see. Health care then would sum about 20 percent of GDP. How about if I estimate that your paycheck would be deducted 15 percent at a minimum to approximate 18 percent at a maximum for what would be called a Nationalized/Universal Health Care program.

How much? 15 to 18 percent of your paycheck. That’s how much it will cost you to insure the uninsurable.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 08:21:55

Well, we’re paying for them anyway. They are in the emergency rooms.

Comment by lark | 2008-10-08 08:31:26

No you are not paying for them anyway. Only when you are garnished a percentage of your wages to pay for those who will belong to the Fed gov HI pool will you be paying for them anyway. It will show in your pay stub, in a little little box, and it will have an amount similar to your social security extraction and will extract about a similar amount and you net paycheck would have a much diminished amount of ‘take home pay.’

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 08:34:21

lark, the hospitals get government money for the uninsured now. We pay for it through taxes. If they are over-run, they just shut down. We pay for it in closed hospitals in our communities.

The majority of people in emergency rooms shouldn’t be there. They simply don’t have the money for doctor’s office visits and wait until it’s an emergency.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 08:51:42

Hmmmm…depends on the state…
Some doctors won’t see you without insurance…
i Texas we have a system of what we call Doc in the Boxes…some are private and some are part of extensive private hospital networks…I’m just sayin’

My kid needed update for vaccinations & tests before she went to University…the cost at her doctors office for the exam and the updates..was $679.00
Her Dad has her insured under BlueCross…in a preventative care policy…Guess what…NO COVERAGE…BECAUSE EVIDENTLY VACCINATIONS…LOL..ARE NOT PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE!….WHAT A JOKE….SHEEEESH!

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 09:47:24

Well, that’s part of the insanity. I thought Mac had some good suggestions on real alternatives.

My favorite story of the year was a doctor in Tenn. who chucked insurance entirely. He reduced his office staff. He set up a fee system for all the common reasons for an office visit. He reduced his actual office visit charge to 20 bucks or something ridiculously low. Flu shot….this amount. Antibiotics…..that amount, etc.

He’s making as much of a profit as when he accepted insurance and reports he’s a much happier fellow. His patients? They GLADLY paid out of pocket rather than hassle with their insurance, only to end up paying about the same anyway.

Win-Win.

We need solutions like that. I agreed 100% with Mac. This is not impossible to fix. I disagree with Obama and even a little bit with Hillary. The solution may not be government involvement on a wide scale.

Heaven knows, this has been the year for waking up to the reality that politicians in Washington aren’t bright and corrupt. They are actually fairly stupid about a lot of issues and corrupt.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-10-08 08:22:50

let’s not forget insuring the lazy who dont’ want to work. We’ll be paying for them too.

 

Comment by Mr. Natural | 2008-10-08 09:01:59

Lark, the insurance companies are the problem. Look at their margins.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:21:48

Comment by lark | 2008-10-08 09:56:43

Employer/employee health insurance is a pool of healthy individuals. Unhealthy individuals usually are let go. Older individuals too. Insurers make money by contracting for services ahead of time. It is a scam of major proportions. Obama’s plan will simply be more costly for everyone and more profits for insurers.

McCain’s plan begins to take a nab at insurers. How? By placing on the table a minimum amount. Say 25 hundred or 200 per month and opening the system to competition. Many insurers will design plans to cover people for that kind of money or a little bit above that. Plans tailored to a segmented market. High risk and uninsurable individuals would need extra help. But I think private foundations and government assisted programs may mitigate the coverage for those individuals.

Comment by Annie Oakley | 2008-10-08 10:24:52

It has benefits that I don’t think McCain explained to people. First, if your employer insures you, you have incentive to use the benefit as much as possible and no incentive to control costs. If people are responsible for their own insurance, they’ll start questioning costs.

Comment by Allan | 2008-10-08 16:25:26

I read an interesting article years ago (wish I had hung onto it)that described the “disconnect” between the insured and what services costs. Since I read that I now try to find the lowest price for prescriptions, even though my co-pay won’t change.

Also, I never understood why employers have to foot the bill for your health insurance. We don’t get employer provided car or home owners insurance. What gives? Maybe I need to negotiate better when I get a new job!

allan

 
 
 
 

Comment by Annie Oakley | 2008-10-08 09:31:47

Hear, hear. There is no “free market” in health care because almost half the dollars going to medical care (and to fuel profits in insurance, pharma, etc.) already come from taxes. No elasticity in that system! Increasing guaranteed customers to insurance companies is not going to lower premiums. The government has already socialized medicine – just the profit side.

Comment by Rob in Chicago | 2008-10-08 17:03:02

There is a huge bureaucratic cost for insurance companies who maintain armies of risk analysis personnel, actuaries, doctors and nurses for the express purpose of denying coverage. Then they have to pay their executives Wall Street salaries and perks, make a profit for their shareholders, and, for some companies who sell through agents, pay commissions to those agents. Then you have the medical facilities with their otherworldly billing practices where they charge insured patients six dollars for a Tylenol, but that is nothing compared to the twelve dollars that they charge the uninsured for the same Tylenol. And don’t even think of scrutinizing or challenging your bill, even if trying to save your insurer from paying too much. The insurance companies don’t scrutinize the small stuff, and the insurance companies don’t care. When I was last hospitalized, they did an EKG in the emergency room. When I was transfered to an in-patient room a half hour later, they came in to do another EKG, saying that they had misplaced the print-out from the one done a half hour earlier. Later during my stay, I declined a piece of equipment that they had broght to my room for my use. Sure enough, the refused equipment and the duplicated EKG were on my hospital bill for about an additional seven hundred dollars. I wrote to the hospital asking them to remove the charges, and sent a copy of the letter to my insurer, Blue Cross. The hospital ignore my letters (I wrote them three times), and the insurer did nothing to dispute the charges, and paid the padded bill (less my co-pay and deductible). A single payer system run with pit-bull oversight coulnt be any worse.

 
 
 
 

Comment by OhVoter | 2008-10-08 08:22:47

I do not believe the polls. At this point I truly believe the polls are being skewed to give the best possible results to Obama. I came across this article about current polls using Party ID to weight the samples (they are heavily weighting their samples to Democrats). This author (and I don’t know anything about him or his website) believes that Policy Preference should be used for weighting the polls. When policy preference is used, apparently the results are 180 degrees opposite. The article is not long and I will post the meat of it here:

“Note the D-R-I split on “all voters” is 43-36-28. Most polls are weighting their sample by party affiliation, not policy preference. With the Democrat Presidential Primary drawing huge crowds and lots of GOP cross-overs to fight off Obama I would not want to put my reputation on party ID being the definitive weighting factor.
Look at the policy preference break down of Lib-Con-Mod, it is split 23-37-36 – almost the REVERSE of the party ID break down. That means if you re-run the polls using policy preference as the weighting factor you could see the polls almost flip 180°! Democrats are up by 7%, but Cons are up by 14% – twice the advantage!
Even more interesting is the undecided poll. In the Party ID view undecideds are split equally between Dem-Rep-Ind at 28-26-43. This would lead one to allocate undecideds or leaners basically down the middle between Obama and McCain since the difference left and right is a statistically insignificant 2%.
But in the policy world view the picture is dramatically different. The Lib-Con-Mod mix is heavily tilted away from Obama’s base with 18-32-47. Here we see very little opportunity for Obama to take the undecided voters. Now the imbalance is 2:1 in favor of McCain, which holds a statistically huge 14% advantage.
I have said all year this was a vote against partisanship. This year the nation would vote on policy, not party affiliation. Hyper partisans from each party are to blame for the current mood of the country. If I am right and these polls have been weighted using the wrong driver (historically it has been party driven) then Obama is not in the lead and has no hope of catching up. Go back to what DJ Drummond pointed out about Clinton and Reagan, they won on policy positions not party ID. Normally I don’t think there is such a schism between the two, but this year there probably is.
I would like to see some pollsters like Rasmussen run a result that had policy position the driving weighting factor, not party ID. I would like to see those results as the other possible outcome, the other end of the ’storm track’. Remember, these are statistical models just like Hurricane tracks. There is a cone of possible trajectories and a likely path. It is time pollsters starting showing the actual cone and how it shifts based on simple assumptions.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/6392

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 09:00:40

The reuters/zolgby poll shows Mac tightening even more this morning. That wouldn’t include debate reaction. 2 points.

The other polls are further away, so I don’t know what’s up with that.

But it’s still a race.

Mac won’t beat Obama, obviously, on style. It will have to the be the message.

 
 

Comment by Hank | 2008-10-08 08:25:25

Why don’t they do a cover of Obama (that one) wearing his purple tie from last nights debate that matches his lips?

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 08:27:07

Actually, I think that’s a problem for AAs on TV unless the lighting is done right.

I saw a show on Oprah about it. LOL* Anyway, she explained that the lighting makes a huge difference with darker skin.

His purplish look may be only that.

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 08:30:19

there is no lighting during the outdoor shots …. just natural, the sun or not.

 
 
 

Comment by chris | 2008-10-08 08:34:25

Does Obama ever not copy the ideas of others? He stole from Hillary, he stole from Deval, he stole bills as a legislator that he didn’t work on and he did the same thing last night that he’s done before. He waits to see how the other person answers and then mimics them. He is so bad I can’t even listen to him anymore. I thought the debate was a wash. Nothing great or awful from either side. McCain has to step it up and he lost a big chance last night. He responded ok but he could have hit harder. Heard this from Dick morris this am: Why did he not respond to OB saying it’s ok to invade countries to prevent genocide. Well what about Iraq and the Kurdish genocide that Sadddam brought down? Perfect opening and McC didn’t walk through that open door of opportunity. Would have been a great point. Oh well. An Obama presidency will be a disaster for America, but the citizens are turning a deaf ear to what he’s all about—a big fat nothing. Good luck America.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:11:08

YEP…Aaaaand he’ll steal Mac’s mortgage answer too….Sheeeesh!!

 
 

Comment by lark | 2008-10-08 08:39:38

Will your health insurance premiums be reduced by 25 hundred dollars or 200 per month when everyone is covered under the Fed government HI pool?

It could be possible, but only when a little little box would be added to your pay stub or your 940 quarterly deducting 15 percent of income towards a National/Universal health insurance fund.

So OBAMA WAS RIGHT ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN EXCEPT HE MEANT HIS PLAN AND NOT MCCAIN’S.

One hand reduces premiums by 2500 and the other adds a little little box to you pay stub that says, National/Universal Fed HI fund or NUFHIF. or ENOUGH.

Wake up America.

 

Comment by Talk2ThePaw | 2008-10-08 08:41:56

Julia Piscitelli of American University is on Fox News now laughing about the complaints against the photo of Palin on the cover of Newsweek. What a sow!!! Think they will play fair and put a close-up unretouched photo of TheOne on the over next week?

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 08:48:16

If the cover was designed to be unflattering, it failed.

Palin is attractive and engaging enough that it’s hard to make her look bad.

The MSM has now staked out the battle lines, they are in the opposing camp to the American people.
They’re trying to make America hate Governor Palin, and it’s not working. After the intense scrutiny of Palin’s pantyhose drawer failed, they’re now attempting the “unflattering portrait” ploy. But she still looks good no matter what.

 
 

Comment by Hank | 2008-10-08 08:56:58

Obama health care:
If Obama wins — $ 1 Trillion Dollars of new spending — and Barack promises not to raise your tax … wink … wink … Biden says it is your duty to pay… that means everyone: The customer — you will pay … you will pay… and then Obama will raise your TAXES.

 

Comment by MCCAIN REGRETS PALIN | 2008-10-08 09:07:42

FACT: OBAMA IS WINNING

FACT: I LOVE IT

 

Comment by Hank | 2008-10-08 09:07:45

Hey Dumb Dumb that’s not the topic

Comment by wodiej | 2008-10-08 09:09:03

Please don’t respond to the trolls

Comment by beebop | 2008-10-08 09:17:09

There is nothing to respond to. It/he/she is delusional and just screaming talking points emailed to it/he/she by the likes of Gibbs who can’t give a cogent, straight answer about palling around with William Ayers a/k/a/ American homegrown terrorist. Let’s not worry so much about the terrorists from the outside and focus on the ones living among us. Like Ayers and his wife. IMHO.

Comment by Rob in Chicago | 2008-10-08 17:20:41

That was probably just a troll “drive-by” comment, and he’s rushed back to O-Bot Central to tap the metal Pavlovian plate and get his one cheeto reward.

 
 
 
 

Comment by QUEENIE | 2008-10-08 09:10:29

Sarah Palin is stunningly beautiful and incredibly smart..two attributes that as a woman I appreciate in all women…not that my friends need either of those attributes..but I do love intelligent women and am drawn to smart women as friends..

I have no doubt Sarah woulkd be a great VP..unlike the borish,plagarist who hates people who have bills to pay and need to declare bankruptsy..for

say………
medical bills..that is why Delaware Bidens state..
is the State corps go to screw the little guy!!

Newsweek only proves the corporate boys will never let women acheive what our potential is..and we need to ..
as women …
crush them..

Do not buy those rags,
do not watch those shows..do not support in any way the mysogynists…

just don’t..stop now..and don’t let curiousity drive you to embibe in their bullshit..just shut them down.

Personally I think Sarah is stunning..in every way..

And I mean ..every way!!

I would be proud to have her as my VP..

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:14:01

You gotta love the MSMPORN…goin after Palin as she has a Jounalism degree…Oh the IRONY…

Go Sarah Go! You Betcha!

Comment by I have a bracelet 2 | 2008-10-08 09:19:56

i love that she has a degree in communication

and she is not another lawyer

Comment by beebop | 2008-10-08 09:22:13

And that unlike the umuhum0bama trolls, she can most assuredly spell … heavens. Far too late for no child left behind we are now seeing too much of their sorry behinds.

 
 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 09:18:17

Several women friends of mine do not like Palin, mostly due to her anti-abortion stance. Some are animal lovers, and her hunting bugs them alot. And some just think she’s unqualified.

It’s interesting to watch. I like her, but I’m a lot more religiously tolerant than most. Her personal viewpoints don’t affect my opinion of her politically. What I really like is how she’s not focused on “women’s issues.” Refreshing to hear a woman talk about energy.

I’m tired of the box of “women’s issues.” I frankly never read the feminist writings anymore because it’s stale, old-fashioned, and irrelevant.

Want to help women? Then help them get better jobs. The majority are raising the kids by themselves and need better pay to foot the babysitting bill. That’s reality.

What’s fascinating to me is that the women I’m talking about all feel they are professionals and take pride in their work. What’s notable is that there is no pride in any other woman’s work. Just pretty much criticism for others.

So the sexism is deeply rooted within women.

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 09:27:03

Great post. My wife is for Obama. We try not to talk about it. But last night she cut loose with a barage on Palin that shocked me. She just rattled off the whole litany of smears including creationism and rumors about her kids. Then she looked at me in dead seriousness and said these are not attacks, they are facts. She blanched a little when I asked her if she thought only liberal women deserved decent treatment, but stuck to her position. I’m pretty sure we won’t be talking about it anymore. I’m sad because I used to think she was more intelligent than that.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 09:31:59

Too bad. I think that the fact that she’s a beautiful, obviously talented, conservative really has flummoxed a lot of women.

They sort of thought that liberal women were the only ones with talent and brains. LOL*

That’s rather stupid thinking.

When my friends start in on Palin, I just say, “Are you aware that rumor started on the internet and has been debunked?”

That actually works, since Obama also has been subjected to internet rumor attacks.

I also just say, “I like the fact that Republican women, many of whom are quite bright and independent, are getting their due at last.”

Enough of this baloney about how conservatives are all “barbies” and “stepford wives.” That’s outdated thinking.

 

Comment by oowawa | 2008-10-08 11:45:21

More than any election I can remember (and I’m old), the Obama candidacy has caused disruption among family and friends. Some of these wounds will eventually be healed, and some won’t. And as a nation, we are also being split apart. The familiar, almost comfy schism between political parties no longer applies. Now the Democratic party has been fractured. Nation, party, family, friends: after Obama, it will be hard to repair the damage.

 
 
 

Comment by Hank | 2008-10-08 09:20:36

Oh my God:
ACORN using prison inmates for voter registration in NV.

Comment by beebop | 2008-10-08 09:24:47

Why does this surprise you? Who better to find the unregistered, the homeless, the people who don’t know where they will be tomorrow?

The last line is exactly what we heard on the local ABC affiliate in Cleveland say. They register them and have them vote because they don’t know where they will be tomorrow, much less November 4th …. with that logic, why establish one day for voting at all? Why not just hold it whenever anyone feels like voting?

 
 

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 09:21:24

I think history may record that the msm bent over a little too far in this one. I mean, if you want to use your media role to impact an election, you want to do it in a way that is transparent to the people you are trying to influence. When the “subjects” see that there is a face behind the one-way glass who is trying to manipulate them, they naturally become resistant to the manipulation.

I really believe swing voters now view the msm as part of the Obama campaign. Of course “we” saw that a long time ago but that doesn’t matter. Hard to tell how this will play out but I suspect all the help the msm has given to Obama to this point is being negated as they go over the top in the final weeks.

Even now, if the msm were having the impact you might expect with their degree of bias, Obama would be ahead more than several points. Something is obviously pushing in the opposite direction. I think when swing voters sense strong bias they tend to push back.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-10-08 09:26:58

I’m sure of it. Everyone knows just which channel to pick now to support their own decision. I suppose there’s nothing wrong with that in one sense.

However, the media lost its fourth estate credentials this year entirely.

 
 

Comment by kgirl1028 | 2008-10-08 09:24:26

I know its a little off subject but when I went to //hillbuzz.wordpress.com/ I saw a video clip about Obama’s cousin Odinga, and the parallels is disturbing, don’t get me wrong I knew about it and speculated about it,but i neve realize that Odinga and obama’s campaign ad so manny simularities.

 

Comment by paddyJ | 2008-10-08 09:25:43

This just in from an AP story on Hotline. Brilliant quote from the “smart” Dem VP candidate:

Biden, appearing Wednesday on CBS’ “The Early Show,” called Palin’s remarks about Obama and Ayers “over the top.”
“You know, the idea here that somehow these guys are once again injecting fear and loathing into this campaign is … I think it’s mildly dangerous. I mean, here you have out there these kinds of, you know, incitements out there _ guy introducing Barack using his middle name as if it’s some epitaph or something,” Biden said, apparently confusing the words “epitaph” and “epithet.”

Too funny! Out of the mouth of Joe, the candidate that keeps on giving.

Comment by Annie Oakley | 2008-10-08 09:48:07

You know, the idea that somehow everyone starts using these kinds of sentence structures is, you know, frankly mildly dangerous and/or ridiculous, folks.

 

Comment by Judy L. NC | 2008-10-08 10:01:32

“epitaph”! ROFLMBBO!

 

Comment by Pennsylvania goes RED! | 2008-10-08 10:20:15

WOW

some Freudian slip, eh?

 
 

Comment by Mr. Natural | 2008-10-08 09:27:07

Palin sometimes seems an odd combination of Chauncey Gardiner from “Being There” and Marge from “Fargo.”

Not a bad combination, since Team Obama plans to push America into that ‘Fargo’ wood-chipper.

Comment by VMorris | 2008-10-08 10:15:32

ROTFLMAO!!!! Good one, Mr. Natural….

 
 

Comment by Cat in NJ | 2008-10-08 09:34:37

Oh my, Fox just announced the One is ahead in PA by 12 points. I love this country, but WTF is wrong with some people? Hey, it ain’t over yet …

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 09:40:04

The polls have been bs for months. He can’t be ahead 12 points in PA and ahead 2 or 3 nationally as the best polls are showing. There is a very concerted effort by the media to create an air of inevitability about Obama.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:47:40

Hmmmm…Ratings anyone?…oh brother!

 
 
 

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 09:36:11

I’ve been thinking about the Taliban/AlQueda/Insurgent tactic of wanting a cease fire when they are losing. I’m reminded by the way the Obama campaign is calling the stuff that is coming out “over the top” and their media surrogates are saying both sides should tone it down.

When they were throwing everything at Palin there was no talk of cease fire or toning it down. But now that they’ve fired all their ammo and the other side is just beginning to shoot back, they want to tone it down. I can shoot at you, but you can’t shoot at me. I can call you a racist, but you can’t call me one.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:44:26

 

Comment by VetGirl | 2008-10-08 09:52:34

Shiloh,

He did this throughout with Clinton. He would give her the finger than call her out on something and call for a cease fire.

He is a professional at this tactic. A person who could never be trusted.

No. Seriously, he could not spend the day with my children. I would fear his feeding them racist crap just as much as I would not allow my racist in-laws to spend time with them for the same reason.

Me? I’m brown. Always the monkey in the middle.

Not black enough. Not white enough.

I guess sexy will have to do. ;)

 
 

Comment by fif | 2008-10-08 09:39:10

they spent their lives doing extraordinary things, demonstrating an interest in, and a curiosity about, the world around them. This is much less evident in Palin’s case.

They are so elitist and condescending, that they are elitist and condescending in their denials. They can’t help themselves. The back and forth with the NY Times reporter and Steve Diamond had the same tone, dripping with contempt and superiority. I WENT to an Ivy League school–undgrad & and graduate school, and I know it from experience. It is true: many people from these institutions–students, faculty and administration alike–are told continuously, and firmly believe that they are superior human beings. They are the “leaders of tomorrow,” the “smartest,” the “special ones.” That’s always why I couldn’t stand Obama, even from the beginning–he reeks of it. He is “The One.”

Anyway re: the quote above: don’t you love how they completely ignore her many accomplishments and interests? As she said, she didn’t backpack through Europe so she’s not “one of them.” No, she worked her as* off to get through school, has been extremely successful in all her public work, her family life, is a marathon runner, a rugged outdoorswoman, and the most popular governor in the U.S. That’s just ’cause she’s “cute?” The good news is: people love her, so stick it Newsweek.

 

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 09:42:03

no responding to trolls, c’mon … you all know that. Nothing pains a troll more than being ignored.

 

Comment by VetGirl | 2008-10-08 09:42:28

Oh yes, I canceled even before that. I have lost track of all the rags and shows I have turned off in the last few years.

It is a good thing. I see now that I was being no less manipulated by the Democrats. That the station I thought was honest only appeared that way when I agreed with them.

That the station I hated wasn’t wrong all of the time and some of the things they said and people they pointed outwere in fact right.

It has been a hell of a year of revelations.

We are entering Aquarius — we are headed for change.

I predict McCain will win the election.

Talking about Ayers (sp) is not what people read. They are simply hitting on the head of the nail to drive a point. There will be others added to the list they will continue to drive the nail.

Wright – Ayers – Al Khalid – Resko – ?

It’s a pattern any 3rd grader can figure out.

It will not be “one” thing. By election day, there will be enough doubt in enough voters’ minds to change the outcome.

Never under-estimate the Republicans. They have proven to be much better chess players than the Democrats.

 

Comment by MCCAIN REGRETS PALIN | 2008-10-08 09:44:41

9,000?….LOL….9,000?….LOL

STILL LAUGHING….9,000?

I THINK YOU GET MY POINT

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:46:19

that whirrring sound you hear are Barky troll heads spinning out of control…

 

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 09:47:34

Look, the republicans very much wanted Obama as the nominee. This whole trajectory was planned out months ago and is right on schedule. Obama is not going to win. Four weeks is geological time in a presidential race. The Obama psy-ops plan is to make us feel disheartened. Ours is to allow them their over-confidence, we’ll be able to use it later. McCain is going to win, I promise. Meanwhile one of the best and easiest things you can do is ignore the trolls. Do not respond to troll posts. Let them spend their time on it, don’t spend yours. Cheers!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:52:46

somtimes troll spanking is fun…just is…
Barky’s numbers in the primaries were always inflated by the GOP christian campers…sheeeesh
Bradley effect?…Think that should be changed to vehicle preservation…lol
McCain Democrat/Idependent ranks will steadily swell as we are insulted into voting COUNTRY FIRST

IT IS THAT SIMPLE….

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 09:54:02

Clean up on aisle 6

 

Comment by MCCAIN REGRETS PALIN | 2008-10-08 09:56:41

WORKINGCLASS HUH?….I SEE WHY! A LIFETIME FULL OF NARROWMINDEDNESS HAS GOTTEN YOU NOWHERE HUH?…LOL STILL PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE OBAMA BANDWAGON….GOTTA GET IN LINE THOUGH…THAT’S RIGHT, RIGHT BEHIND THOSE DEFECTED REPUBLICANS RIGHT THERE…..

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 10:05:53

workingclass is a badge of honor…Aaaaand we are the ones who decide elections….chuckle…
SOETEROBAMA…HAVE YOUR DNC TERRORIST LWAYER DROP OFF THE BC AT THE COURTHOUSE…BERG IS WAITING

 

Comment by Brendy | 2008-10-08 18:11:43

“NARROWMINDEDNESS” – is code word for socialism. My ‘narrow mindness’ is that I don’t WANT TO PAY OTHER PEOPLE’S BILLS or support them when the lazy drug addicts and the unwed, welfare queens have 3-5 children from 3-5 different men DEMAND that MY income – MY tax dollars – support them!

 
 

Comment by MoniQue | 2008-10-08 10:02:12

Again, the media’s vindictive efforts have BACKFIRED!

More than many women would give anything to look like Sarah Palin upclose and untouched!

SARAH PALIN IS HANDS DOWN BEAUTIFUL WITH OR WITHOUT TOUCH-UP and in addition to her outward beauty, her inward beauty comes through and no photo could cover that up.

MCCAIN-PALIN 2008 !

 

Comment by LookingForwardTo2012 | 2008-10-08 10:03:27

Does anyone have Susan’s email address? If so, please forward the abusive person’s posts to her and she will take care of it.

Comment by Lyn | 2008-10-08 10:12:00

 
 

Comment by MoniQue | 2008-10-08 10:06:28

More SEXISM!

They did this kind of stuff to Hillary.

But it backfired.

Not to mention the fact that Sarah Palin doesn’t have any wrinkles so I don’t know what the fuss is about. The woman is more awesome untouched! And I doubt she could give a sh** – we’re talking about a pioneer woman who is beautiful even if she’d covered in mud, snow, or even the filth of the media.

Ha Ha laughing at you NewsWEAK!

 

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-10-08 10:08:15

The address is suanunpc@gmail.com and I have already sent it. McCain Regrets Palin will be IP banned. Meanwhile, ignore the trolls.

 

Comment by VMorris | 2008-10-08 10:12:21

This BS from Newsweak (I love it) doesn’t surprise me a bit. The MSM and Obama camp can be as ageist and sexist as they want. But the McCain camp can’t say even type or say Barack’s own middle name of choice without being tagged a racist.

This treatment of Palin is beyond pathetic.

 

Comment by Judy L. NC | 2008-10-08 10:13:42

That does it. I’m tellin’ Susan.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-10-08 10:20:22

COMMODUM HABITUS ES…MRP…A TERGO!

 

Comment by CommenSenseIsInShortSupply | 2008-10-08 10:34:38

PLEASE stop responding to the 12-year-old troll!

Just look for ALL CAPS and keep scrolling by…

 

Comment by DanNY | 2008-10-08 11:37:54

Obama’s purple lips show some underlying major health care issue he has but that has yet to rear its ugly head. Not racism…

I’m so tired of the loud extremists who think he will win the election. It just isn’t true what the corporate news hacks want us to believe – America will never elect a terrorist lover.

He wouldn’t even have voted to support protecting this country against Iraq. Who cares what Bush did – with that war vote – It wasn’t the intent of the resolution. But Obama wouldn’t have even voted to protect the USA for any reason. He gave a speech to that effect. He is in the minority when it comes to protecting the security of this country and Americans cannot and will not support him for that reason alone.

 

Comment by Will Smith | 2008-10-08 11:42:48

Exactly Remember – Newsweek is part of the MSM

 

Comment by Retired | 2008-10-08 12:10:14

I wonder why support of an inexperienced but charismatic Palin is “mindless populism” while support of an inexperienced but charismatic Obama is not? Newsweek will never answer this question.

Comment by trixta | 2008-10-08 21:02:26

Obama is just mindless—period!

What an empty suit!

 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-10-08 12:55:26

Where’s the closeup of Obama’s facial mole, which seems to be growing at an interesting rate. never see that spongy thing up close, do we now?

Comment by Jules | 2008-10-08 16:11:56

Yes, I have NOTICED the mole by his nose. Even though he is usually shown from a FLATTERING angle so that it isn’t so apparent.

I did not enjoy John Edwards’ lip mole either. I was VERY glad he had it removed before heavy campaigning started.

 

Comment by Brendy | 2008-10-08 17:56:35

I wondered about that – with ALL his money you’d think he’d get that ugly thing removed. Is he a big ’scaredy cat’ and AFRAID to go to the doctor and have it removed? I’ve had lots of moles removed and I’m not even in the LIMELIGHT. And, HIS mole is in a very noticable place.

 
 

Comment by Jules | 2008-10-08 16:08:11

Elitism in this sense is not about educational or class credentials, not about where you went to school or whether you use “summer” as a verb. It is, rather, about the pursuit of excellence no matter where you started out in life. Jackson, Lincoln, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Clinton were born to ordinary families, but they spent their lives doing extraordinary things, demonstrating an interest in, and a curiosity about, the world around them. This is much less evident in Palin’s case.

So it sounds like being a successful Governor is just for underachieving losers!!! My God these people are SICK!!!!

 

Comment by Brendy | 2008-10-08 17:48:43

The problem with the majority in this country is that they are not aware of the world’s history – I guess they don’t know that Hilter was able to KILL close to SIX MILLION innocent human beings (the poor children…sigh) because he and his ‘PARTY’ were able to control ALL modes of the media – the airwaves, the press (magazines, newspapers), etc. and allowed ONLY what HE (the “PARTY”) WANTED the citizens to hear. The citizens of Germany or the world HAD NO IDEA that Hilter was KILLING – gasing and burning them in furnaces – THESE POOR PEOPLE.

THIS IS WHAT IS happening in our coutnry today – the liberal, far left media who supports Obama DOES NOT REPORT THE TRUTH – they report ONLY the ‘good’ stuff about Obama, NEVER the negative. They refuse to report Obama’s shady, corrupt associates and we know NOTHING about how he got his start in the world. If he was so ‘poor’ how did he get into Harvard, etc. If flew around the world in his college days – where’d he get the MONEY???

Are people in this country so GREEDY, so SELFISH, so DUMB that they don’t want to hear the truth or do they just not care? I’m beginning to think that the majority in this country prefer that the gov’t take care of them (heck with personal responsibility) and it looks like they’re winning. Oh, and they’re doing it by lying, cheating and VOTER FRAUD.

I’m am SWIFTLY losing faith in mankind.

 

Comment by Alien | 2008-10-09 03:51:45

The PA poll had Democrats at 54%.

Yes Sarah Palin is very attractive & what bitchy women just hate SLIM esp 4 months after birth.

But what really pisses these women off is Todd. He is their idea of a perfect man . good looking
a bit exotic
a man’s man
a real boyo job
outdoorsy (not a tv idiot /computer nerd)
a father who holds his baby
a father who did not disown an imperfect child (baby or teenager).
the kind of father all girls of Madonna’s vintage would have loved. (remember the song).

I think men like the snowmobile thing.

women – we know a lucky woman.

 

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