Post-Debate Open Thread #2

why is everyone so glooming. From what I am reading the media thought McCain did quite well.

why is everyone so gloomy. From what I am reading the media thought McCain did quite well.

Two things stick out from the debate:

“that one” if people want to know what that was about, they will find out it was about Obama’s vote for the pork-laden Bush-Cheney energy bill and that McCain voted against it. Smart move, McCain.

“this is my proposal, not Obama’s, not Bush’s” I think this was the bombshell and in the remaining days if McCain camp can convincingly sell his version of HOLC, he would have scaled his economy hurdle. I think Obama got flat footed with this one and I think that was McCain camp’s intention. If they had talked about it leading up to this debate, Obama would have come up with a me too and McCain spared himself that. Now we have to see how they develop it.

I thought McCain did okay. He did not do what many wanted him to do but the format did not lend itself to that. I did like when he did go after Barky and then when he looked the people in the eye and said…….”Look at our Records.”

I thought that was effective.

Obama…well what can you say. Same shit…different Messiah!

I don’t buy all the bloom and gloom. The MSM are running themselves ragged shoving BO down our throats and trying to sell him as the clear winner. Look how Fox spun the silly supposedly independent voters (really dolts) right after the debate? A couple of them sounded like Obots, hardly independent. It was such a sham.

If I’m not mistaken in the last two Presidential elections the leader in the polls heading into election day didn’t win.

I’m not saying McCain will win, but I don’t buy the MSM line he’s done. This is FAR from over.

because some of the hysterical ninnies on the right wing blogs are screaming that McCain didnt bring up ayers and wright and stuff.

It was a town hall debate. It was the peoples questions.

Not answering the Peoples Questions is the worst thing you can do.

Bringing up things not asked about is the second worst thing you can do.

McCain was strong and steady on the economy and dropped two bombshells nobody is talking about too much yet.

1) he started Tying Obama to Freddie Fannie and the Democrtats to the mess

2) he Proposed the government buy bad mortgages and renogotiate the terms for the homeowners to keep their homes and reduce principle and make them good mortgages again. (THAT IS HUGE and wins him a big chunk of votes…wait and see)

2.5) he also kept hitting over and over Record vs Rhetoric

And on FOreign Policy he Schooled Barack Obutthead.

And he got in a number of really nice zingers without being too showey about it.

THe media wont cover it but the voters will get it.

Relax.

The debate is not an open forum for him to bring up ayers.

That looks desperate.

And the one thing america did not see tonight was a desperate john mccain. They say steady and even and tempered and experienced and intelligent.

And he hit it hard on his final question that what they saw is the type of leader we need in these troubling times, an even hand on the wheel.

Barack…meh..i cant asses his performance because of bias. He lies so much i cant get past it and actually hear the shit he is selling any more.

Let Palin do the dirty work as she is doing.

The Media ignores John McCain but they dont ignore Palin.

Let Palin mention ayers and wright and rezko and frank and fanni and freddie.

Let John appeal to the undecideds.

Chill
Chill
CHill

We have a very good chance of winning.

The polls are plumped heavily in baracks favor. that actually helps us as a lot of the youth vote will not be motivated to go to polls if they think they are in the lead and will win. Thats a proven fact.

Just relax and let the republicans do what republicans are very good at.

By Election day Barack will be spending so much time pushing back against ayers wrigth rezko and all the other turds in the toilet bowl of his past associations america will be all to happy to flush twice to get rid of the floater named hopenchange.

I thought the debates were boring. McCain did not do what was needed. Obama did better then expected and like Palin last week that was enough for him to be declared the winner.

McCain did say something that really bothered me, about buying up over priced homes, reappraising them and refinancing them. On the blog today someone said that was Obama’s plan and I went crazy. I do not care how bad the economy is, that option is a frigin no brainer. Investors who caused this whole mess will make out like bandits and the greedy people will get hundreds of thousands of dollars for buying over priced crap and the good honest people will get shit.

I was just so surprised that McCain did not bring up Ayers, when Obama was talking about 9/11 I was like come on, perfect opportunity for McCain to say, “Funny how your bringing up 9/11, one of the most tragic days in American history, your good buddy Bill Ayers said on that very day that he wishes he had done more.” I mean that would have been PERFECT, there is a reason why he never mentioned it, even when Obama talked about “judgment” another perfect opportunity to bring up Reverend Wright. They interviewed Sarah today and she said “Ive been an underdog many times in my life and always came out a winner.” So I really think that they must have something big on Obama, they had every chance to mention Ayers or Wright or Rezco and did not, the Republican party is not stupid, look at it this way, Bush was HATED in 2004 and what happened, Bush won, the same Bush everyone hated so much won easily against the Democratic ticket so never count out a republican

Mccain did fine. He would have been called a mean grumpy old man if he pounded obama.
The media set up the nuclear narrative and the blogs fell for it.
Mccain does not have to belittle obama. He has to prove HIS bona-fides on the economy.
The rescue plan on mortages is brilliant. Every time a house forecloses it causes a ripple effect on the entire community and the banks.
Our economy is sailing downstream because of these houses. He is readjusting the mortage so it is not a sub-prime that its rate shoots way up.
The plan is genius and announcing it on TV makes sure there is no me to. Also, taxpayers losing their homes and struggling to pay for mortages want a plan for them. The big beef with the bail out was that it was not for mainstreet. Mccains Mortage plan is gold.
Conservatives are already whining about it. It is the way we fix this bottemless housing market.
Mccain stated correctly that we cannot create new jobs and keep banks afloat without fixing it.
The election is not tomorrow. If it was i would say well he should have went crazy. He set the narrative that he will use for next month. Palin is a pitbull with lipstick and will be the attack dog.
Mccain will set an agenda.
As said before Bush always was declared the loser, he won. Twice.

I have had some reservations about those “Whitey Tapes”. I personally do not believe they exist but then again, I never thought Obama with his flimsy narrow ass record would get this far

MEchille has said that “Barack will make you work.” (Gulag) “You’re going to have to give up some of your pie.”(wealth re-distribution). You will be made to “volunteer” regardless of age, gender, etc., no one is exempt. Can’t wait until the Pebble Beach residents hear that one. You’ll hear laughing all the way to Salinas. Does she know that the USA is bigger than Chi Town and that the President is not Monarch and she is not royalty???…no matter how much they try to convince themselves. That part sounds like she’s been reading Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book…oh, wait that’s what all the lefties in the 60’s read. Must have borrowed Ayer’s copy.

It’s gone from “Who the hell is he?” to “Who the hell does he think he is?”

Could Brokaw had wanted easy answers that we had all heard before? He knew that if a debate was easy for Obama, Obama would not lose the poll numbers.

If they were controversial, Obama would have done badly. At first I couldn’t figure out why the questions were so dumb… and the liberal was keeping Obama nice and easy.

I agree with you, Julie.

From reading, nobody liked the format or thought the debate was very interesting. Rehash.

Oh well…..

I commented earlier how I thought Obama “Knew” these questions before hand.

Sure he did…it is the same shit he has been spewing since day one. Only difference is that he incorporated the ideas of Hillary and Edwards after trashing them..How come no one seems to call him out on that?

That is my biggest peeve when I watch that Turd debating. Not one of these ideas came from that hollow head of his!

Obama looked stoned to me. Just saying

I have a question. I was just listening to the debate again and I heard Senator McCain talk about a something he and other Senators had signed warning about Fannie/Freddie that BO did not sign. I have heard about that before.

Just before that I also heard BO say he had written letters to Treasury Secretary Paulsen and Fed Reserve Chairman Bernanke about the mortgage debacle.

To be clear, Senator McCain spoke up about the letter he had signed AFTER BO mentioned the letter he sent to Paulsen and Bernanke.

I wasn’t aware of BO sending any letters to anybody. Does anybody have any more info/detail on that?

I believed then and I do so more now, that this format was centered around Obama’s strengths. McCain knew he could not attack Obama directly on some issue, but he did okay. What I meant by Obama “Knowing” the questions beore hand…Just watch how he jumps to answer the questions before the Tommy is finished posing them.

Another thing….

Brokow allowed Obama to ramble on and on..What up with that?

It was boring.

I wanted to see the McCain I saw in the Albuquerque video from yesterday–he seemed rested and rejuvinated and so fired up and determined to win. Maybe they told him to be low key tonight because BO accuses him of being erratic. But yesterday reminded me of the last few minutes of his convention acceptance speech which was so moving AND memorable.

Both guys did fine; and that was the problem for me. But how many NEW people watched the debate? All of us political junkies have seen the questions and answers before but did new people see them for the first time?

If Brokaw got thousands of questions I am surprised he didn’t choose some others–not in the gotcha style but just more interesting.

Sorry — OFF TOPIC

Just wondered if this mattered……..

***LETTER FROM DIDDY***

Dear Family,

We are in a STATE OF EMERGENCY!!! - we are only 31 days from the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME. We are still at war, banks are closing, and people are losing their jobs and houses every day. It is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to protect our futures. Time is about to run out, and there is still a lot of work to be done. Barack Obama cannot win this election on his own; He needs our help. This election is about US. This election is about our children’s futures. We owe it to those who fought and died for our right to vote and our right to be heard.

Barack Obama said it best, “Eight is Enough.” No longer will we stand by and follow leadership with no regard for us, and no accountability to us.

We can be the deciding factor in this election. Who are we? We are young America. We are Hip-Hop. We are the culture that has defied statistics and the critics. THIS IS OUT MOMENT OF TRUTH!!!!

We are the leaders of this generation. When we speak, people listen. But the time is NOW for us to use the voices that God blessed us with. We are the ones with the mics, we are the ones on television, we are the ones in the end zone, we are the ones on the court, we are the ones on the radio, and we are the ones in the hearts and minds of young Americans of all colors. WE ARE CHANGE!

Now is the time to do our part to make change a reality and help elect Obama as President. Whether you can speak about it in your radio and television interviews or on stage at your concerts, put it on your website and blogs and push your fans toward it, whether you are head of a street team, or a VJ or DJ. Use your power. If you know 10-20 people, we need to register them to vote and bring them to the polls.

Even if you e-mail every person on your blackberry - do something - DO ALL YOU CAN DO!!!. Make sure that when November 4th comes, we are able to say that we did EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER to make sure that Barack Obama becomes president. We owe this to our children, our parents, our grandparents, and our loved ones. We need you to become a part of Team Obama!!!!!

We are working directly with the campaign and have come up with different ways for you to get involved in this election. We don’t need a lot from you, we just need some simple things. Some of you have agreed to do concerts, some of you have agreed to speak in swing states. We all need to continue to DO MORE - video drops, radio interviews, and possibly more appearances as we count down the days to change. This is the most important election in our lifetime. Please use the platform you’ve been blessed with to urge those who listen to you to make Barack Obama the next President of the United States. Don’t forget your personal duty as a citizen. Register to vote, and VOTE TO MAKE HISTORY!!!!!!!

BECOME A PART OF TEAM OBAMA!!!

God Bless,

Sean “Diddy” Combs

Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter

Mary J. Blige

Kevin Liles

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That was being discussed on many threads after the debate Bayareavoter.

Why, if you are flooded with e-mail questions, do you chose the same tired ones?

Where is Larry Johnson and that supposed Whitey tape, did that turn out to be a bunch of nonsense or what, I wish I had some inside info from republicans as to what they might have on Obama, I think they do have something and are patiently waiting to release it

Adlai Stevenson 1956 and the “new America”. Obama now from the “New Party”. Same story… it didn’t work then… and I don’t think it will work now. The young vote didn’t pull Adlai through… and they won’t vote Obama… not if there’s something else to do that day… and there will be.

Why so gloomy?… MSM screaming BO won the debate, that’s why. I’m really hoping these debates will matter as much as they did for Bush, but we won’t know unitl Nov 4.

OT: Mark Halperin says McCain/Palin are back campaigning together again tomorrow in Bethlehem, PA; Strongsville, OH; Milwaukee, WI….. This is where the war will be won.

The questions did not give McCain the opportunity he needed to attack on his associations and he could not go negative because he did not want to be seen as angry. but I think he accomplished a few things . He need to let the public know they cannot trust obama He will raise taxes.

Socal, if mccain would have brought up Bill Ayers because obama mentioned 9/11 it would have sunk Mccain.
He would have looked desperate. That was the trap set by the media. They wanted mac to follow their advice and throw bombs like Bill Ayers.
Someone said above that mccain answered the questions asked. Yes he did and i agree that if mccain would have began assasinating obama’s character when the question is how can you fix the economy would have insulted voters.

Mccain had an awesome line on taxes. “nailing down senator obama’s tax proposal is like trying to nail jell-o to the wall.” “the last time a president raised taxes in an economic crisis like this was Herbert Hoover.”

Also, the fact this debate was boring works for mccain. After the first 45 minutes alot of folks may have turned it off. Mccain hammered obama for the first half hour very effectively on the economy.

McCain is going to hand obama his a$$ in November. . . count on it!

everyone should boycott the MSM and all their advertisers!

Mc/Palin 2008!

obama and the msm are collaborators in an anti-American coup!

Obama said “my first term…” he is already working on being re-elected. God help us.

Japan markets are taking a dive, I keep saying the markets are reacting to a Obama Presidency, I would bet anything if McCain was leading in the polls the markets would be doing 100% better

OT: Why is Michelle Obama making so many solo campaign appearances? She has just as many or even more than BO, McCain, Biden, Palin tomorrow. You’d think she was running for office. And where the heck is Mitt Romney? That guy should be stumping in MI, OH, PA, FL for McCain.

I am signing off but before I go, I want to make a comment in regards to the trolls tonight. A post that I submitted in to NQR is on my blog. Caused all kinds of turmoil as the bots from Huffington post descended onto my blog like vultures. They did there normal “hate speech” your a sell out yada yada ya…but then someone deemed it necessary to state they had information on those close to me that would be posted online. I got something for those idiots tomorrow when I get back from radiation therapy. But that is the worst thing they could of ever said or done.

Soldier:

If you ever need an ex-Bouncer and a 4th degree black beltl to stand next to you…Just shout hun!

Good night sister

Barack Hussein Obama, NO MATTER WHAT?.

Watching the debate tonight I have to admit to a revulsion and apprehension right down to the depths of my soul when I see and hear Obama.

I listen to the empty rhetoric coming from a man whom I consider the most dangerous, fraudulent and corrupt politician in America today. A line that has entered my mind, not relative to Putin but Obama: It will stick in my mind forever, and that is

WHEN I LOOK INTO OBAMA’S EYES I SEE THREE LETTERS..
K…B…G…KBG.

Perhaps the letters are different but the attempts to stifle dissension, intimidate voters, censor public airways and opinion and discriminate against those who offer information not favorable to Obama

CENSORHIP, DISCRIMINATION, INTIMIDATION, BRIBERY and THREATS ARE THE CORE OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN. (AND AOL FOR THE MATTER)

The mainstream media have chosen to HIDE stories of:

his radical white-hating religious background;

his total lack of experience and qualifications

charges of money laundering, financial irregularity

lack of American citizenship;

his corrupt, radical and felonious friends

his allegiance to the muslim world

his ultra-liberal voting record:

his use of voter intimidation and association with groups convicted of voter fraud

his association with terrorist groups throughout the world and Palestinian connections;

the censorship and intimidation of those exercising their first amendment right to oppose him:

his acceptance of illegal foreign contributions from terrorist groups;

his lack of respect for the women of this country

his status as a pawn of the most corrupt Political Machine in the country.

Yes,there is information out there that speaks these claims, in spite of the media and the campaigns efforts to hide it. Do we DARE TAKE A CHANCE?

Yes, I am a Democrat and sadly will be voting for a Republican for President for the first time in
50 years.

BE VERY AFRAID AMERICA

Are we doing our country a favor by voting Party- NO MATTER WHAT

Understanding where the Man we elect for president came from is not old hat. The people that a person hangs out with for a couple of decades says a lot about who he is. This is especially ture when it is associates from the recent pass and their adult pass. If one is truly interested in thier community they should be Very interested in WHO is directing the monies that your community is getting, Especially monies that you are directing towards your community through state funds.

Obama keeps saying that he moved to Chicago to help with the Chicago communities. Yet we have not really heard about any of the long term good effects. Is that because all of his work for Illinois and Chicago seem to have been attached to people such as Ayers, Wright, Pfleger and many others with mottos not condusive to Everyone.

okay–Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright–I feel good enough after reading your take on this that I can go to bed now!

Goodnight, all! You keep me optimistic!

also, the media is not totally shredding McCain.
GO to johnmccain.com and read the quotes.
He got applauded by alot of poeple for the mortage package. He was seen as more comfortable.
The only reason folks think it was not so good is because the media set the nuclear narrative that mac had to attack and change the game.
Palin stopped the bleeding. Tonight Mccain assured ALL of america, corporate and middle class and small business that he understands the woes of the economy and has a good plan.
His line on taxes about Hoover being the last to raise taxes was gold. Also, FDR raised taxes as well and though he started a recovery process our stock market never bounced back until the fifties.
It went over alot better than poeple think.
CBS interviewed 12 college students and they split. If the youngsters split that says alot of folks think mccain won.
Obama is peaking to early. He has nowhere to go but down and mccain has to show he is a viable option and competent while Palin destroys him at her huge rallys of tens of thousands.
All of the armchair quarterback strategists are missing the point. Which is no wonder, they have not run campaigns and dems have not won a Presidential campaign for 12 years.
Mccain is to look statesmen like and set an agenda with optimism and hope and belief in america.
Mccain had an amazing close that was touching, so touching it brought tears to my wifes eyes.
He spoke optimistically of america and its greatness all night. He did his job.

To help me choose for Nov 4…. Scenario — if you were stuck in a foxhole during a horrific war and your life was at stake, who would I want with me? McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden? ….. The choice should be obvious.

My family (all life long Democrats) will be voting for MCCain…We fought hard for Hillary but have always liked MCCain. As with most there are so many other things more important happening in our lives right now… And so I only watched bits and parts of the debate…I just cannot stomach Obama…MCCain did a great job and his final comment brought tears to my eyes. The pundits are doing what they have been doing since the beginning of this election starting with the primaries.It’s useless trying to figure out why and even more useless buying into the polls, I hardly believe they are accurate. No one has ever called me…I am glad that it will soon be over…Just think it’s less than one month away.

it is a dumb charge by CNN. Mccain was speaking of the energy bill in 05.
He said guess which senator voted for it? that one.

They are grasping straws and really that shows how well mac did.

I think Mac should pull out of the last debate. Like BO told Hillary no more debates after he got a hard question from Charlie Gibson. Mac and Palin should run town hall meetings across the battleground states to get his message across nonstop. MSM isn’t going to help.

I did notice that about the middle of the debate Obama started getting more and more uhs and ummms
and it got worse and worse as the debate when on.
I also noticed that Obama was going to talk about what he wanted to whether or not the moderator wanted him to.

Money.

Many, many factors not molested in all of the below. Eg., I would prefer single payer, etc. (see HRC). Obama isn’t even close to that, and has built in an extra year of study on top of the rest of the inertia.

Am I missing something — simplistic & no actual data injured?

Taxes:
Take all families by adjusted taxable income [ATI] (IRS rules and shenanigans).
Graph X axis == families ordered by ATI.
Graph Y axis == the ATI.
Draw the curve.
You can imagine this sort of like X^2 stretched out, and rising sharply with the fat cats, or the right half of a suspension bridge cable (close enough for a thought exercise).

Now, draw a vertical line through the ATI of the first family found on the X axis which pays taxes.
All of the people to the left are not taxed. All of the people to the right are taxed.

McCain’s plan would increase the exemptions which lowers family ATIs. Essentially, we have to go further right on the X axis to find the first taxable family. This absolutely benefits more families with lower incomes who not only need it the most, but will spend it on goods and services.

Obama’s plan would freeze the original ATI line, and smear a small tax deduction across the taxable families whether rich or not so rich. But, this only applies to families to the right of the original ATI — and, everyone gets a smidgen.

Healthcare:
Using $8,000 health insurance and 25% tax rate.
(a) If you pay your entire health insurance by yourself (no help from employer), you win. Formerly, you would have this money by virtue of earning but only retaining 75% of $10,667. McCain’s plan would save you $1,250 (25% of $5,000).

(b) If both you and your employer pay equal parts of your health insurance, it’s a wash. Say you and your employer contribute $4,000 each. Formerly, your contribution is the net from earning but only retaining 75% of $5,333, and your boss may or may not have had levies applied to his share. McCain’s plan would save you $1,000 (25% of $4,000), but tax you $1,000 (25% of $4,000) on your employer’s contribution.

(c) As in (b), but you can negotiate with your employer, and shift some of his contribution to your salary. Now, you are contributing $5,000 to the health insurance, he is contributing $3,000 to the health insurance, and you are receiving an additional $1,000 salary.

Now, you avoid $1,666 in taxes when you contribute $5,000 (i.e., you did not have to earn $6,666 to cover this share). However, you do pay $750 taxes on your employer’s contribution (25% of $3,000) and $250 taxes on your salary increase (25% of $1,000). The net savings is $415 ($1,666 - $750 -$250).

how come no trolls are here tonight? this is nice

Now I am really Pissed Straight party Republican ticket Somebody is going to pay if Obama is going to be elected If it is the down ticket Democrats so be it

did notice that about the middle of the debate Obama started getting more and more uhs and ummms
and it got worse and worse as the debate when on.

Think it’s because the topic shifted to foreign policy and when he got the question first.

Mac needed to hit the economy. OBie’s been getting surge because people think (totally without any basis, but they’ve done it anyway) he’s “better” for the economy. Mac needed to address it and he did. Commentator I heard even said he thought Mac was better on the economy than later (not sure that’s true but he was excellent on the economy and he’s always knows his stuff on Foreign Policy).

On Ayers, just leave it alone (and to Palin and others). It has gotten some traction and every day, the stain is spreading farther across the floor of BHO’s mansion in the sky.

For CNN, a/k/a the Obama Channel, to be running stories about the Ayers connection being “deeper and more political” than Barack Obama has claimed, we’re on to something.

And, I’m still digging, as are other members of The Million Shovel Movement (a much better back-up for the MSM initials, I think).

There also is more than Ayers here.

Look to BHO’s benefactor, the man who raised money and pulled in favors to get him into Harvard Law, our friend al-Mansour. Aside from the PLO connections, going farther back, as-Mansour was an advisor to Bobby Seale and Huey Newton, founders of the Black Panther Party in Oakland in 1966. This is a direct benefactor of Barack Obama, definitely not a “guy from the neighborhood” and he’s on tape preaching that God has ordered black people to kill white people. This is a different branch of the radical (Black Nationalist) tree, that runs on a parallel time line to the SDS/Weathermen formation and activism of the 60’s.

BTW, U of Michigan, back then, where Ayers went to school and where the SDS was formed (and later split into the Weathermen) was known as The Berkley of the Midwest.

Couple the al-Mansour sponsorship of the young Barry/Barack with other connections and associations of the time. For example, Obama’s involvement in planning for the 1995 Million Man March, the brainchild of Obama’s other “neighbor” — a man honored by an award bestowed by Obama and Michelle’s church, bestowed in glowing praise by Jeremiah Wright — Louis Farrakhan, of the Nation of Islam — and Obama’s contemporaneous comments after the march about reverting to Black Nationalism because “white people” didn’t give a damn. I’ve seen the quote and have posted it but want to source it for sure before throwing it around too much (a concern the Obots don’t have, but I do).

There is a lot more here.

Bottom line. This is the most radical, left wing seriously considered candidate for President of any modern nation in contemporary history, not only the United States. If he was running as the Communist Party candidate or the New Socialist Party candidate, it would look make perfect sense because those are his roots. If people labeled John Kerry as a liberal, they ain’t seen nothing yet. Obama gets a -0- rating in that department (0 being more liberal).

How he got the (formerly) Democratic party and Screaming Howard Dean to fall for this charade is simply beyond the pale but Howard’s never failed to surpass our lowest hopes for him.

So, relax about Mac not pulling a switchblade tonight and leaping across the stage at Obama. There are people working on this. But, he needed to hit this economy and hit it hard. People are confused and frightened. If he’s the type to be POTUS, he needed to respond to that. That is what a leader does. What is necessary in the time and place for his/her country. As they say it: Country First.

And, he did that. Tonight, the Country came First. And the man has a plan. Why am I not surprised.

Oh, and Barry has none. Again, not surprised.

By tomorrow, he’ll have McCain’s.

Remain vigilant. And, keep digging.

I also noticed how McCain got schooled on Pakistan. “My friends, you never tell people you’re going to bomb them” Then Obama throws it back in his face….Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran….N.Korea…and didn’t even mention McCain acting all tough guy towards Russia over Georgia, like we have any troops to spare for another war…

McCain’s a sad former shell of himself, wandering around the stage searching for another trick to pull out of his hat.

This was his forum, and even taunted Obama in the beginning about it, and it was even moderated by a Brokaw, an obvious McCain supporter…

I think Mccain did well. He stayed on the issues and answered all questions. This debate cannot change anything. What it does is show who the person really is.

Mccain showed his maturity and knowledge. Thats good enough for me and i believe for many, many americans.

BO shows that he is straight out of school and wants to show he is a straight-A student. I think many people feel that way too.

So dont be overly worried. Whats important is Mccain must continue to work on the ground. Energise the base to vote for him.

Many americans wish to know what prez they will have in the WH. A talker who has zero experience and questionable associates and judgments flaws due to his ideology and inexperience; or an experienced hand in times of hardship.

OT: article from a PA newspaper today (Oct 7) titled “Palin Tells the Truth — Washington Establishment Beware” Link at http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20153240&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Don’t know if this paper is widely read in PA. Let’s hope so.

I trust the Republicans under McCain more than the alternative. Barry and MEcille in the WH and Oval Office with henchmen Pelosi and Reid. Unthinkable. I have to vote straight Republican ticket to assure that can’t happen. I really want Pelosi and Reid out along with Frank, Dodd and Kerry.

Why weren’t past mentions of associations with terrorists mentioned?

Is that because no one wants to talk about Alaska Independence Party ties to Iran?

Or Oliver North selling weapons to Iran, or G. Gordon Liddy advocating shooting federal marshalls in the head?

All of these Republican terrorist ties happened far more recently, and some with McCain’s full support.

While Obama has answered questions about Ayers, if you don’t like the answers, don’t vote for him, but please explain why it was perfectly ok for a Reagan appointed ambassador (Annenberg) to fund a program whose grant applications where written and submitted by Ayers?

Because Reagan was one of the last “great Presidents” of the United States.
Annenberg is not the problem..
Ayers is the problem

So now who’s drinking the Kool-Aid…..You admit, it’s ok to sell weapons to Iran, shoot federal officers, and fund groups that include what you now call “terrorists”.

One thing I just don’t get. If Ayers is a terrorist, what’s the problem with putting him in prison?

You mean Reagan was the last president to triple the national debt and lead an economy of greed and corruption for 7 years that ended with a 25% crash in the stock market….oops, just happened again……something must not be trickling down…

obama supporters smell funny

Debate:

Boring Questions.

Depressing set.

Non-reactive town hall audience.

Obama tedious…blah blah.

McCain did a good job.

Please read what was posted at the top of gretawire, it’s good advice: http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/08/viewer-email-read-and-post-your-comment/

I’m becoming pessimistic about McCain’s chances. He should’ve chosen Tom Ridge or if Kay Bailey Hutchison but the conservative right wing would have revolted. Palin is nice but she’s being dismissed. The country is so angry at Bush that they are willing to choose Obama. This Ayers’ controversy should’ve already destroyed him, along with ACORN, Odinga, and Revs Wright and Phleger.

McCain needs something new like a tape of Obama in that church nodding his head in agreement when Wright was damning America.

Rove is pro. Do you guys think that he doesn’t have anything?

Hey, everyone here always talks about the MSM and how it is in the tank for Obama. Anyone ever go to CSPAN? I do not do TV so have been watching the debates on CNN.com (which I hate but felt I had limited options) Tonight I went over to CSPAN. I got there early for the pre-debate show. They were taking callers to tell why you support your candidate. They had a separate line to call for each candidate, a McCain call was taken, then Obama and then Independent - all very fairly done. Those Obama windbags were cut off if they spoke to long. Some interesting points - everyone voting for McCain had issues which were important to them, the ones voting for Obama said things like “fresh” “articulate” “orator”, only one supporter went deeper and said McCain did not support poor people, but all the 0 supporters were shallow reason. Also of interest, I watched for 18 minutes and 5 rounds of calls, 4 of those 5 McCain calls were previous Hillary supporters or democrats.

So I went to CSPAN to see if they had any commentary on the debates and nothing yet, but found this survey: http://cspan.org/Topics/Zogby-Poll.aspx
Why is everyone saying Obama is so high in the polls?

Not sure what you think you’re accomplishing here — “pd” — spitting and spewing venom on your computer screen in a blue-faced tizzy.

Is there a strategy at work here or are you just unable to control yourself? Are we supposed to be berated into loving The One, frightened into taking the rapture, or just impressed with your well-reasoned and calm analysis of the issues. Or, are you merely a worshiper gone mad?

To answer your question, though — no, despite what you might have been fed at the Obama Camp for the Followers of Me, it is possible to criticize your leader without joining the KKK. He’s the least qualified candidate for the presidency in the history of this nation, and probably a few others.

Being part African-American does not disqualify him. Being him disqualifies him. Black, white or blue with sparkles on top.

But, I understand that you’ve been handed the little card that says, “Whenever anyone utters anything other than praise for The Messiah, yell ‘Racist’ as loud as you can.”

Astounding. But, at this point, nothing surprises me about you people (note: by “you people” I do not mean any protected minority, in case you were planning another vein-bursting tirade — I was referring only to the unthinking mob of which you are obviously a member).

Question for you. Does “pd” stand for paid? Or pe-dantic? Or, just Plain Dumb?

Hillary won the debate.

Tom Brokaw was useless. He let both candidates go on and on repeating the stump speeches we can all recite in our sleep, without answering the questions. Then he let them change the rules in the middle of the debate.

Brokaw: F

I thought Senator McCain did a little better at getting his stump speech to fit the questions better than Senator Obama. I’m so tired of the stump speeches that give no information on how we’re going to resolve the issues facing us, I can’t say Senator McCain gets any points from me for being better at conforming his speech to the question.

McCain gets a point for actually tossing a name out there to head the Treasury Dept. He gets a second point for actually mentioning a plan he has for the mortgage mess, using the Treasury Dept. to rewrite troubled mortgages into 30 year mortgages with a lower principle and interest rate. Finally something concrete. Of course, he didn’t say anything about how Wall Street is going to pay off all those “swaps” aka insurance policies that were sold along with the mortgage securities.

McCain: C

I don’t think I heard anything new out of Senator Obama and nothing at all concrete about how he’ll handle the economy. It seems like everything according to him is one of our greatest challenges and he doesn’t know how we’ll fix it yet, but we can do it within ten years if we apply ourselves - just like we did with President Kennedy’s idea of going to the moon. In my opinion, our energy, financial and national security didn’t depend on us getting to the moon. If we’d never gotten there, well we might have had to do without Tang. I don’t want to hear how he doesn’t know how we won’t be energy dependent on the Middle East in ten years, he just knows we can be. Next he’ll try to sell us some WAMU stock.

Obama: D

I’m being kind to Senators Obama and McCain by not giving them failing grades. I will give them failing grades if in the final debate if they recite their stump speeches again.

McCain gets a point for actually tossing a name out there to head the Treasury Dept.

And even more brilliant to mention in passing Warren Buffet…an Obama supporter as I recall.

I don’t think this debate is going to change many minds but it may greatly dull the preception that the troubled economy helps Obama since polls are showing McCain did better on that issue.

Anyway, I actually think a no impact debate helps McCain. Why? Because unlike those of you buying the msm spin that Obama has the lead, I don’t think he does. I don’t think McCain has to “catch up” I think it remains for Obama to sell himself and this was another lost opportunity for him to do that.

As Karl Rove said yesterday, 4 weeks is geological time in a presidential election. Don’t allow yourself to be fooled - the millions of voters who will decide the race are still very very fluid. It may be they want “change” but they are not sold on Obama. The closer the election comes, the more voters like this move toward what they regard as a safe choice.

This is why I don’t think McCain goes on hard attack like so many of you want. He needs to keep projecting his image as avuncular and steady and nice guy. America is flirting with Obama, but will marry McCain!

There is one contradiction in the story of this year. People do want a change, but 58% say they are disappointed in Congress, which is Democrat. They are not so sold on the Democratic Party ideas this year, I think. They also don’t want Republicans back in power.
I am beginning to think that’s the problem with that huge still undecided group.

Probably won’t help in MI, but then you never know.

Anyway, I turned in my absentee ballot (since I am moving to Tx) and voted for McCain.

I think McCain is honorable and wants to do his best and what is best for the country.

Obama just wants to trade up every step of the way, aligning himself with questionable individuals and employing unethical tactics to get what he wants. He is a disgrace.

As for the debate, I was hoping that McCain would counter punch more but perhaps the forum was not the best and perhaps the strategy is to do that on the stump.

Also, I was watching Foxnews and at the end of the debate, the camera seems to be trained on Obama+M exclusively and not McCain & Cindy. Did McCain leave the scene?

Another observation - I don’t know who was advising Michelle, but I thought wearing a dress with a plunging neckline with a very long zipper exposed to boot, was not exactly, a chic statement a potential first lady would want to make at a presidential debate.

Oh yeah!
Forget CBS/Rasmussen/SUSA etc. MSM bs polls.
Check this out. From today.

http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/2008candidates

I think Obama needs some basic science education. We don’t need to “safely store nuclear energy”. That makes no sense. We used to store nuclear waste from spent fuel rods. Nuclear power plants now use re-processed fuel that does not need storage. Number two, he discussed how government employees “invented the computer for communication”. Actually it was Claude Shannon and Bell Labs that invented the digital circuit design theory and switching technology as well as the transistor responsible for the modern computer. It was a government lab that created the Internet, or was that Al Gore?

OBAMA”S TIES TO ODINGA IN KENYA. This video is longer than usual, but Odinga did not win the election in Kenya. Instead he caused a big uprising and just took over. At about 6:25 into the video it shows Obama campaigning for his cousin Odinga (About August 2007). I have already seen hints of riots in the streets if Obama loses this election and hints that an Army brigade is on stand-by here when browsing leftist sites and even the CBS comment sections. ACORN has been registering fraudulent voters in all the close battleground states. The MSM praises Obama no matter what he does, and has a very high percentage of negatives for anyone on the other side. Questions about Obama and who he really is, his character and associations have either not been addressed or the substance substantially downplayed. This is not an election I am eager for.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411

This morning Obama up 4.7 as opposed to 6. So it’s getting tighter.

Did anyone notice how Obama talked about the surplus this country had when Bush came into office?

Of course, he won’t say that two-term President Bill Clinton created that surplus because he had this country on the right track.

Obama never gives credit to Bill Clinton, and people wonder why Clinton doesn’t go out of his way to endorse that clown. Everytime Obama is asked about a President he admires, he always talks about Reagan.

Clinton has a foundation that fights AIDS all around the world, malaria in Africa, and the best Dem President this country has had in a long time. Obama should be kissing Bill’s ass for an endorsement. He isn’t even on Bill’s level, but Obama’s arrogant supporters act like he owes Obama something, when it’s the exact opposite.

When i was still in elementary school, i read a news story of a refrigeration plant in China that had the grave misfortune of attracting the government’s attention for inefficiency. The military executed 50 of the plants senior personnel in front of the watching workers, as a motivational lesson to improve productivity.

Having seen the format of tonight’s debate, the week questions, and Tom’s incompetence as a moderator, i can’t help but would have happened if this debate had been held in China too? Would some public executions improve future debates?

:=D


Also… these 3 bloated eels, Beckell, Morris, & Luntz need to slither back to the sewers they crawled from. Why does FNC keep inviting these wretched secretions back on their show to let them vomit all over the microphone & camera? As if we give a plague-puckered rat’s end what they have to say? Surely they can find people that can make intelligent commentary or produce a scientific poll?

These Videos are a must watch!
Barack Obama & Raila Odinga
http://www.youtube.com/v/S8QcpdUtxNQ&hl=en&fs=1
Barack Obama & Khalid Al-Mansour
http://www.youtube.com/v/8npeYfKI_ns&hl=en&fs=1”
Obama’s Friends
http://www.youtube.com/v/79fC0jAi2gc&hl=en&fs=1“

Obama said he wrote letters about needing regulations on fannie & freddie, but Greenspan was there two years ago Not Berneke,( spelled wrong) boy he can really lie , especially since he was one of the democrats who stalled talks on this when many republicans were trying to impose regulatons