McCain Releases Letter To Obama
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on October 9, 2008 at 3:05 PM in Backtrack Obama, Barack Obama, Campaigns & Campaign Financing, Democratic Party, John McCain
John McCain has claimed he is a reformer, and has the record to back it up. Obama has claimed to be a reformer, and to have worked with John McCain on campaign finance reform. His record does not back him up. But, don’t take my word for it, take Senator McCain’s:
McCain Releases Letter to Obama
February 6, 2006
Washington D.C. – Today, Senator McCain sent the following letter to Senator Obama regarding ongoing Congressional efforts towards bipartisan lobbying reform. The following is the text from that letter:
February 6, 2006
The Honorable Barack Obama
United States Senate
SH-713
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Obama:
I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere.
When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable.
Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble.
Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.
As you know, the Majority Leader has asked Chairman Collins to hold hearings and mark up a bill for floor consideration in early March. I fully support such timely action and I am confident that, together with Senator Lieberman, the Committee on Governmental Affairs will report out a meaningful, bipartisan bill.
You commented in your letter about my “interest in creating a task force to further study” this issue, as if to suggest I support delaying the consideration of much-needed reforms rather than allowing the committees of jurisdiction to hold hearings on the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth. The timely findings of a bipartisan working group could be very helpful to the committee in formulating legislation that will be reported to the full Senate.
Since you are new to the Senate, you may not be aware of the fact that I have always supported fully the regular committee and legislative process in the Senate, and routinely urge Committee Chairmen to hold hearings on important issues. In fact, I urged Senator Collins to schedule a hearing upon the Senate’s return in January.
Furthermore, I have consistently maintained that any lobbying reform proposal be bipartisan. The bill Senators Joe Lieberman and Bill Nelson and I have introduced is evidence of that commitment as is my insistence that members of both parties be included in meetings to develop the legislation that will ultimately be considered on the Senate floor.
As I explained in a recent letter to Senator Reid, and have publicly said many times, the American people do not see this as just a Republican problem or just a Democratic problem. They see it as yet another run-of-the-mill Washington scandal, and they expect it will generate just another round of partisan gamesmanship and posturing. Senator Lieberman and I, and many other members of this body, hope to exceed the public’s low expectations. We view this as an opportunity to bring transparency and accountability to the Congress, and, most importantly, to show the public that both parties will work together to address our failings.
As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.
Sincerely,
John McCain
United States Senate
I think that pretty much says it all, don’t you?
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I love this smack-down letter! I have read it before and think it’s great. Hammer him with the truth McCain! (OMG—that’s probably a racist comment!)
REPOST:
Holy Crap!!!!
Go to http://www.tinyurl.com/4mf6j3 to read!!!
It’s time to wake up America!!!
(I am not getting over this one—those sneaky little devils!!)
I know, I love that one too!
Great smackdown!
YIPEEEE!!!…What a great “I call you on your BS! PHONY!” Letter. Thanks for posting it. I suppose Barky will call it RACIST!
OMG…another Adolph Hitler…I don’t give a shit what Obama supporters want to call me, this shit needs to be put to a STOP. I cannot believe that so many people could be this stupid.
1. Fool me once, shame on you.
2. No more Mr. Nice Guy.
3. Don’t tell me what bipartisan is, you hack.
4. Don’t call me, I’ll call you.
The MSM won’t. If they didnt didn’t cover it in two years they won’t now. The MSM with the exception of FOX wants to elect Obama.
Yes, I read this a long time ago. If MSM reports this I would be shocked. McCain needs to pull it out in the debate.
i agree!
Bill Oreilly is in the tank for Obama, as is Martha McCallup.
I’m pretty sure Greta is a PUMA, LoL. I know shes a Clinton Democrat, but i am not fooled for a MOMENT that she is voting for Obama on November 4th!
Greta would never vote for Obama — be sure of that. Neither would Lou Dobbs.
those are two of the smartest independent journalists in the news…
I’m not the only one that thinks Bill O’Reilly favors Senator Obama more than I would have expected? For a man who has made a career out of being contrary and argumentative, he’s just a tad too nice to Senator Obama.
This is why I can trust McCain.
Obama tells people whatever they want to hear and then flip-flops. This is a perfect example and should frighten anyone thinking of voting for the bamboozler.
Has anyone stopped to consider that it’s not that necessarily that Obama does better as the economy tanks but that the stock market has been tanking since Obama pulled ahead in the polls.
dude, you just blew my mind!
say it to his face! wimp.
I suppose John McCain may very well do just that.
And when he does, Mac will be called a racist. That’s the Noblahma strategey. Cry racism when called on something. Where I live, that’s called being a wuss.
The Democratic Party makes be feel ashamed that I ever gave them money. Love Hill and Bill, but Sarah Palin is the new model of integrity and hence my hero.
McCain doesn’t dare confront Obama in public on any of the trumped up “issues” McCain and Palin are playing, because McCain can’t control his temper. If he goes down that road face-to-face, Obama will respond with calm, calculated rebuttals, and McCain will blow a fuse on national television. That would be the end of any hope of a republican win next month.
All Obama would have to do to provoke an explosion would be to confront John McCain with the deplorable tone of the campaign he’s been running, and remind him that he said he was going to run an honorable campaign, focusing on the issues.
McCain’s temper is his Achilles’ heel. McCain knows it. Unfortunately for McCain, his opponents know it too.
Lol, Savage got new talking points today! “Say it to my face!”
hahahaha! Do you suppose, “I know you are, but what am I?” will be next on the Obamabully talking point list?
You don’t think it didn’t happen?
You know nothing.
This is the letter FROM Obama that triggered this response:
February 2, 2006
The Honorable John McCain
United States Senate
241 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Dear John:
Thank you for inviting me to participate in the meeting yesterday to discuss lobbying and ethics reform proposals currently before the Senate. I appreciate your willingness to reach out to me and several other Senate Democrats to discuss what should be done to restore public confidence in the way that Congress conducts its business. The discussion clearly underscored the difficult challenge facing Congress.
You and many in the Democratic Caucus have played a major role in reform efforts in the Senate. In fact, the Indian Affairs Committee hearings you led were instrumental in promoting public awareness of the culture of corruption that has permeated the nation’s capital.
As you know, Senator Harry Reid and others in the Democratic Caucus have taken an important step by introducing S. 2180, the Honest Leadership Act, which imposes many of the same disclosure requirements for lobbyists that you have proposed, while also strengthening enforcement, eliminating “pay to play” schemes, and imposing more restrictive rules on meals, gifts, and travel that Members and their staff can receive from special interests that advocate before Congress. This bill, which now has the support of 40 members of the Democratic Caucus, represents a significant step in addressing many of the worst aspects of corruption that have come to light as a result of the Justice Department investigation of Jack Abramoff.
I know you have expressed an interest in creating a task force to further study and discuss these matters, but I and others in the Democratic Caucus believe the more effective and timely course is to allow the committees of jurisdiction to roll up their sleeves and get to work on writing ethics and lobbying reform legislation that a majority of the Senate can support. Committee consideration of these matters through the normal course will ensure that these issues are discussed in a public forum and that those within Congress, as well as those on the outside, can express their views, ensuring a thorough review of this matter.
Given the state of affairs in Washington, we have a historic opportunity to make fundamental changes in the way our government operates so that the actions we take as public officials are responsive and transparent to the American people. Thank you again for your interest in this important matter.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
United States Senator
and I ask you, Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy, why did you leave Obama’s letter out of the equation?
context is important, don’t you agree?
The Bill that Obama was favoring not a Bi-Partisan effort but instead a Democratic Bill done entirely by the DEMS. If you ever want anything to pass the Sernate you need at least 60 votes, that means it has to be a Bipartisan Bill and has to get votes from both sides.
There was one bill, my friend, and it was sponsored by:
Co-sponsors: Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT] – 1/4/2007 Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] – 1/8/2007 Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] – 1/4/2007 Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] – 1/4/2007 Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] – 1/4/2007 Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] – 1/4/2007 Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] – 1/4/2007 Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] – 1/4/2007 Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] – 1/4/2007 Sen Lott, Trent [MS] – 1/4/2007 Sen McConnell, Mitch [KY] – 1/4/2007 Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] – 1/4/2007 Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] – 1/4/2007 Sen Salazar, Ken [CO] – 1/9/2007 Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] – 1/4/2007 Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] – 1/4/2007 Sen Webb, Jim [VA] – 1/4/2007
I mean, Trent Lott! By the way McCain voted against this, the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act. There were only 14 NAYs. McCain offered an admendment, but apparently was too angry to support it in the end.
Savage…
Perhaps Sen McCain voted against it because the bill had too many loopholes…ie the bill was too weak to accomplish the onjective of its “Important and honest-sounding name”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20lobby.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Ethics Law Isn’t Without Its Loopholes
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: April 20, 2008
“The optimistically named Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007 was supposed to prevent lobbyists from securing undue influence by taking members of Congress to intimate dinners at fancy restaurants.”
Perhaps only a few senators -including McCain- had the guts to oppose it because they saw that the bill had ‘no teeth’ ie it was so weak that loopholes around it had already been built into it.
Sen Obama has a record of supporting bills that are in effect ‘toothless tigers’. They give off the appearance of being something that they are not. That helps explain why people who should be opposing some of Obama’s bills are strongly supporting them instead. they know the ‘back door’ Obama has given them. They know there are loopholes so its in their benefit to support a weaker bill.
Ask yourself…WHY did those senators support the bill?
Learn more about Obama’s legislative record please. If you are going to tell me how someone voted- you had better be prepared to tell me why he/she voted that way. Its got to be in the records. Since you brought it up- you have to explain to me why Sen McCain AND why Sen Obama voted the way they did on this bill.
Look at Obama’s legislative record and you will understand what I am talking about…
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out ” by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08
Hank4818,
Sen Obama’s comments in the letter (IF it is an authentic letter cant say either way)
Excerpt:
“I know you have expressed an interest in creating a task force to further study and discuss these matters, but I and others in the Democratic Caucus believe the more effective and timely course is to allow the committees of jurisdiction to roll up their sleeves and get to work on writing ethics and lobbying reform legislation that a majority of the Senate can support.
Committee consideration of these matters through the normal course will ensure that these issues are discussed in a public forum and that those within Congress, as well as those on the outside, can express their views, ensuring a thorough review of this matter.”
This comment reminds me of the cspan coverage of the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac fiasco where legislators tried to promote more oversight and The Dems were STRONGLY against it. we saw how that turned out.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=themouthpeace&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_525530
Sen Obama’s letter (if it is authentic) indicates:
“As you know, Senator Harry Reid and others in the Democratic Caucus have taken an important step by introducing S. 2180, the Honest Leadership Act, which imposes many of the same disclosure requirements for lobbyists that you have proposed, while also strengthening enforcement, eliminating “pay to play” schemes, and imposing more restrictive rules on meals, gifts, and travel that Members and their staff can receive from special interests that advocate before Congress. This bill, which now has the support of 40 members of the Democratic Caucus, represents a significant step in addressing many of the worst aspects of corruption that have come to light as a result of the Justice Department investigation of Jack Abramoff.”
Gee…in light of all the bundling and $ 200 Plus million in unaccounted foreign contributions (from foreign lobbyists perhaps?) Sen Obama has received…I understand how Sen Obama may have been paving the way back in 2006 so he could benefit WHEN..not if…but WHEN he was going to run for pres in 2008.
See how Sen Obama receives lobbyists” money- he hides it well.
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php
“A “more complicated truth” on campaign contributions” , by Trudy Lieberman 2/15/08 , Columbia Journalism Review. Article describes how Sen Obama was able to receive “cloaked” lobbyist money. The lobbyists contributed to funds being collected by their industry or company “so $ was lumped together under a different category-. This is why people need to ask the tough questions. Check out the author”s credentials.
I understand how Sen Obama and the Dems would not want Sen McCain to interfer with any bipartisan oversight into lobbyists contribution reforms.
With such lax vetting of foreign contributions, the Obama campaign may have indirectly contributed to questionable fundraising by foreigners.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/01/must-read-ken-timmerman-on-obamas-unreported-campaign-donations/
Atlas Shrugs has a history of Sen Obama’s campaign receiving illegal foreign contributions.
RNC is filing FEC suit.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obamas_foreign_contributions/
Context is important. In what context did Obama associate with Ayers? In what context did Reverend Wright serve as Obama’s spiritual advisor and mentor? In what context did the money exchange hands between Rezko and Obama?
Unfortunately, there is no context with which to justify Obama’s “talk-to-the-hand” attitude toward McCain.
please don’t change the subject. that tactic is tired. this post has a topic and there are plenty of posts that talk about your questions.
if you can discuss this one (you can right?), please zip it, ok?
I think Texas Buckeye was right ON target, Savage.
OK – so there’s this letter from Obama (I honestly had not seen it before, to tell you the truth), but I don’t see how it is all that relevant to Obama’s PRIVATE assurances on which he reneged. And for which he later took credit, I might add. Even though he did NOTHING.
So, yes – context is important. As Hank pointed out, this was to be a BIpartisan effort, and one on which Obama said he would work. And didn’t. And wants credit for anyway. Like just abt everything else he does (not do – like come up with his own policy statements, or being on the Banking Committee, etc., etc., etc.).
And if i’m not mistaken, Obama has tried to use this instance as one of the times he worked across the aisle. typical.
What is your problem Sewerage, you don’t like having Saul Alinsky’s tactics used on you like you constantly use?
Hope you are getting paid by Obama in advance so when the FEC swoops in and takes the $230 million of dirty money from Odumbo and his campaign is broke, you won’t get anything but Obama dollars, worth as much as your pathetic boss is worth, $0.00
If I can discuss this one, then zip it?
OK. I’m zipping it. Consider it zipped. Not another word. I promise.
My God you are dense. Nothing in Obama’s letter describes what his version of ethics is nor does it honestly permit the discussion of any of those issues.
“Committee consideration of these matters through the normal course will ensure that these issues are discussed in a public forum and that those within Congress, as well as those on the outside, can express their views, ensuring a thorough review of this matter.”
This means, you ignorant doof, that ethics decisions which might be view negatively by the Republicans, say something like a Congressman being influenced by his lover who directly benefitted financially from their tryst, will suddenly become issues of sexual choice rather than conspiracy to commit fraud.
Fox in charge of the henhouse doesn’t cover it. Expect the newly ousted Mayor of Detroit Kwame Kilpatrick to be pardoned and appointed Attorney General. There’s ethics for you.
Toss in pardons for Dorhn and Ayers for anything they ever did, a couple more for anyone rounded up in Chicago by Fitzpatrick, anybody whoever stole from a mortgage deal, and placing ACORN in charge of all the kids he’ll take from their parents because they couldn’t afford health care.
Smoke and Mirrors don’t work on everyone, asshole.
Your sick abscess of a messiah is nothing but a piece of lying shit. He’s a hidden communist whose sordid, perverted past is running up his stretched ass faster than he can run from it.
SDS membership
DSA membership
Ayers in NY
He’s trying to steal our Republic and turn it into a Marxist state. He says so every time he opens his mouth. People on your side are just too damn dumb to understand what history has to say about it.
GFY
Did YOU read the bill and the proposed amendments?
McCain took OBJECTION to the added amendment that:
1) eliminating “pay to play” schemes, and
2) imposing more restrictive rules on meals, gifts, and travel that Members and their staff can receive from special interests that advocate before Congress.
Why does McCain have a problem with that?
” People on your side are just too damn dumb to understand what history has to say about it.”
just more insults. thanks.
Savage…
Please provide alink to your source of information regarding what objections Sen McCain had to the bill.
was there anything else attached to that bill-perhaps some porkbarrel project ?
From what I have learned about how washington operates, legislators have some funny reasons sometimes for passing or rejecting a bill- and-quite often the reason they reach decision may have little to do with the purpose of the bill (the bill’s title)
You’re a damned idiot, that’s why you get insulted! What part about him being hooked up with Marxist-Communists did you misinterpret?
He’s a fucking liar and you’re a fucking idiot…
the REDCOATS are comming!run for the hills!
(ps i get a smile imagining your stockpile of weapons. i wish I could of seen you on the night of 12-31-99. the world was gonna end! oh nooooooo.)
[HAVE FUN ELSEWHERE -- ADMINISTRATOR]
I own a broken pellet gun for crows and a single shot twelve gauge for “guests” like you. It belonged to my great grandfather and he used it on guests too.
So, Comrade Bubinsky you and Der Furless Leader can marshall all your kiddie porn troops together and put your hands in the air signifying the cumulative IQ of any crowd of marxists, push your lips through the circle and kiss my Independent ass!
This is the first time i’ve seen this site (directed from slog.thestranger.com)….first post i’ve read…..and the rules here seem confusing.
So let me get this straight….this:
Comment by Zeke | 2008-10-09 16:38:10
You’re a damned idiot, that’s why you get insulted! What part about him being hooked up with Marxist-Communists did you misinterpret?
He’s a fucking liar and you’re a fucking idiot…
….is how you should act here, and this:
Comment by savage | 2008-10-09 16:55:15
the REDCOATS are comming!
run for the hills!
(ps i get a smile imagining your stockpile of weapons. i wish I could of seen you on the night of 12-31-99. the world was gonna end! oh nooooooo.)
[HAVE FUN ELSEWHERE — ADMINISTRATOR]
….is how you shouldn’t?
Am I missing something? Can someone clue me in? hello?
Savage-
Read my comment above please
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20lobby.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Ethics Law Isn’t Without Its Loopholes
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: April 20, 2008
Maybe Sen McCain had too much integrity to pass this bill.
Maybe he knew about invisible built-in loopholes.
Wow, McCain’s response was righteous!
exactly…and that’s what we DON’T need. righteousness.
righteousness is a positive quality -
self-righteousness, as practiced by the Obamessiah, not so much….
You are 100% wrong. What Washington needs more than anything else today is righteousness. It needs leaders who clearly see the difference between right and wrong, not those who dabble in “nuances”.
From Freshman Senator in Illinois 2004 to Freshman Senator in Washington 2006 to wannabe President in 2008. He is a bored flip-flopper, at best…I shudder to think what he is, at worst.
John McCain is a stand-up man who has the very best interest of America at heart.
It will be a shameful day for our country if he is not our next President.
“THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST?”!!! That sounds like some kind of brush-off you give an annoying constituent, not the way you speak to a senior senator. Obama has always been so full of himself.
He’s a Narcissist, no doubt about it. The LAST thing you want to do is give real power to a Narcissist.
This is Obama’s reply to McCain Feb 6th Letter:
February 6, 2006
The Honorable John McCain
United States Senate
241 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Dear John:
During my short time in the U.S. Senate, one of the aspects about this institution that I have come to value most is the collegiality and the willingness to put aside partisan differences to work on issues that help the American people. It was in this spirit that I approached you to work on ethics reform, and it was in this spirit that I agreed to attend your bipartisan meeting last week. I appreciated then – and still do appreciate – your willingness to reach out to me and several other Democrats.
For this reason, I am puzzled by your response to my recent letter. Last Wednesday morning, you called to invite me to your meeting that afternoon. I changed my schedule so I could attend the meeting. Afterwards, you thanked me several times for attending the meeting, and we left pledging to work together.
As you will recall, I told everyone present at the meeting that my caucus insisted that the consideration of any ethics reform proposal go through the regular committee process. You didn’t indicate any opposition to this position at the time, and I wrote the letter to reiterate this point, as well as the fact that I thought S. 2180 should be the basis for a bipartisan solution.
I confess that I have no idea what has prompted your response. But let me assure you that I am not interested in typical partisan rhetoric or posturing. The fact that you have now questioned my sincerity and my desire to put aside politics for the public interest is regrettable but does not in any way diminish my deep respect for you nor my willingness to find a bipartisan solution to this problem.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
United States Senator
To me, this exchange is a CLEAR example of how unwilling McCain is to “work across the isle.”
it’s really sad.
*aisle
my bad
that just sounds dumb. He has LEGISLATION on the books and a proven record.
Obama is the one pussyfooting in the letter to make sure none of his buds get asked tough questions.
It is hillarious really. 4 years ago you guys were begging him to be Kerry’s VP, and he was often called dems favorite republican.
Now there is an election you amnesia.
Your pathetic. Spread propaganda elsewhere.
“you guys”
what do you mean by “you guys”? are you a republican? is this a republican site?
No…”you guys” in uhbamabushbot context is code for “racists”; I mean c’mon, you’re not a very good uhbamabushbot if you’re not reading your daily spoonfed talking points.
racist racist racist racist
ummmm no it’s not. I thought he was referring to Democrats. i thought this was a site of ex-democrats, so I thought it was strange that he would call you “you guys.”
any time I make a good point, is that a “talking point”? i really don’t understand your attack on me.
You guys, translation= Obamunists.
I like to call them Obamabullies.
Do you notice how Obama’s people end their comments with
it’s really sad.
What kind of emotional pathology does this exhibit?
Savage,
Sen McCain is a maverick-
He has the personal strength to oppose those who try to pass off impotent BS legislation.
The man is not stupid and he doesnt cave in too easily.
Read my comments above on this thread.
This bill had MANY loopholes and Sen McCain (and probably many others too-even some who voted for it) knew it.
yeah, Obama never wants to hold hearing and hold folks accountable.
He has a comittee that he never hled ONE meeting.
Post it all you want.
Instead of writing random law, you question and interview and hold poeple accountable to get the best results.
savage…are you not comprehending the substance of all 3 open letters?
uhbama backed off by siding with HARRY REID’S idea of ‘reform’, instead of McCain’s.
uhbama insinuated that he now decided against creating a special committee to look at corruption because it would be wasting time.
My God…what’s you reading comprehension level?
uhbama is a slimy worm..reading these clearly shows that, and highlighting pretty words doesn’t mean a damn thing, when you read them in CONTEXT as you capitalized earlier for us.
Grow a brain.
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HillaryDem voted for McCain/Palin Sept 30 in Ohio
I have, and it tells me McCain is against:
1)eliminating “pay to play” schemes
2)imposing more restrictive rules on meals, gifts, and travel that Members and their staff can receive from special interests that advocate before Congress.
these were the two admendments McCain opposed, and would not vote on.
pay to play? Like what Rezko obama’s land fairy got convicted of?
Answer is simple, FISA!
McCain voted for FISA on the cloture vote (where neither Clinton nor BHO voted) and was instrumental in supporting its telecom immunity clause. McCain did not vote on the final FISA vote, BHO voted for, Clinton voted against.
here is video of McCain stating his support for FISA and Bush for pushing its renewal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTfOT5UAr4
Once is sufficient for posting this letter, savage. Really.
The fact that Obama continues to call Senator McCain by his first name, like he did in the debates, is very telling. There is a certain decorum that is maintained by US Senators, which Obama is not maintaining. For a jr. senator to consistently address a senior senator by his first name when the senior senator consistently uses the more formal approach is a breach of that decorum. Obama seems to think he is above all of that.
You have made your point, savage. I think we all got it. Thanks.
Do you think it was really sincere?
LOL!!!
Breaking on Drudge: Obama buys half hour primetime on
CBS in negotiations with NBC and FOX.
I hope they investigate the origins of the money used to pay for it.
I just read that on Hot Air. It is Oct. 29th.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/09/obama-tv-the-one-buys-half-an-hour-of-airtime-on-cbs-for-oct-29/
They’re scared.
I agree. This will be another one of Obama’s “they’re gonna tell ya’” speeches to try to deflect whatever is coming. I suspect a leak to Obama’s camp has caused this, allowing him a chance to respond beforehand, thus negating the impact.
whatever is coming should, (are you Republicans listening?) be released before the Obama speech. Even an hour or two earlier will probably work as long as it is BEFORE.
OK…That made me almost throwup! the thought of Barky for a half hour on 3 networks at once….and..uh..uh..ummm…er…stutter ad nauseum…
Oh Brother!
That is hilarious. An oinfomercial. Call now and get two bottles of osnake oil for the price of one.
I love McCain’s tone. Once again, Obama was in it for the glory and not for the finished product.
And once again, McCain shows willingness to work across the aisle, in this case with our Dem senator Nelson.
did you read the exchange? the same ones I read?
Yup. Obama was grandstanding for personal attention for a purely Dem effort rather than working across the aisle in a bipartisan project.
I have to admit, I’m really sick of Obama’s grandstanding and arrogance. AND flip flopping – tho it’s not a part of this thread, this is something I just read. He can’t even remember what he said before and he’s too arrogant to even consider that there are things like TAPE and ARCHIVES of all his grandiose statements. He’s no better than Bush. Actually, he IS the next Bush. 4 more years – of Bush in a left-leaning empty suit. Gag.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/08/obama-rejects-own-mortgage-idea/?icid=200100397×1211261190x1200682360
I’d like to hear him complain about how expensive it is to prosecute ACORN! And how much that organization which he is apart of has ripped off Americans.
He’d have none of that, right? Too expensive!
The liberals WANT to bankrupt government!
Obamacus is a self-centered arrogant narcisist. He should be on trial for treason, not running for President.
Yes I read them, and clearly with more lucidity than you did, ’savage.’
What do YOU get out of it? Because you’re smoking something. You’re just.like.a.bushbot.
Real democrats are different to Obama democrats…..see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8aQt2_ac6I
So what is the truth here? From bo’s letters it appears that Mac’s letter is baseless. I’ve seen Mac’s letter before but never bo’s. Anyone know anything else about this?
If McCain’s letter was a lie, you’d better be sure, his candidacy would be over. [Not!]
Jaxxy,
Rule 1: If Obama’s lips are moving, he’s lying.
Rule 2: If Obama’s lips aren’t moving, he’s thinking of a lie.
Obama’s letter is disingenuous and filled with normal bullshit.
Ask yourself what happens to legislation which goes to committee when the legislation is designed to punish those in control of congress. It dies. McCain knew this and knows this now as Obama has just come out and said the same thing yesterday.
Its nice to say you’ll do something… but only through the normal channels where you keep control of things.
This is all about what is going to happen to Barney Frank and his “cheek to cheek” Fannie-nanigans.
It will mean the difference between punishing those responsible and letting them off.
McCain’s letter wasn’t merely in response to Obama’s letter. Obama had assured McCain he would support a bill, then betrayed him. That’s what draws McCain’s scorn.
I just printed this letter so I can show my Fiance who called me “ignorante” for even thinking questions a democrat, why I have problems with Obummer.
THank you for reminding me of this letter!
OFF TOPIC: http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/the-salute/
THIS SCARES ME, I REFUSE TO SALUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I PLACE MY HAND OVER MY HEART FOR THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Be optimistic Samb,
Think how easy you can get cuffs on the bastards!
The only letter I am interested in reading is Obama’s letter to Sec. Paulsen on the issue of reforming Fred and Fanny.
I want to know the date of that letter and the content.
If he claims he sent a letter in the campaign trail, then he should make it available.
He’s forging it as we speak.
How many undecided voters are going to watch a half hour political ad? I think this is stupid. The only people this will reach is bots stroking themselves off to it.
He’ll probably have a bunch of musical guests. It will be like Ed Sullivan, including vintage cigarette commercials.
Hey, didn’t Obama’s hero, Ronnie Reagan do those cigarette commercials in the 50s …the ones that said that cigarettes were good for you?? Obama could do a split screen with him and his hero blowing smoke rings.
He can’t invited Bernie Mac tho to do any female bashing. Sadly, Bernie can’t attend.
He will, however, vote for Obama in Cleveland 84 times on Nov 4th.
He’d be preaching to his own choir – his own Obots with their glassy-eyes, all chanting “Yes, Messiah”.
Fine. We won’t be watching it. I can curse and turn him off just like I’ve cursed and turned Bush off the past 8 years.
I will not watch Obama for a half hour, no time, no place.
He just wants another forum where he can spew his lies…and no one is there to ask him questios afterward…and I’ll also bet he’ll say..and yhats the last time I’ll talk about this subject!…lmao
What’s most important is that Obama’s bill is DEAD. It was supported by Dems only and went nowhere in 2 years.
Wisconsin voter warns McCain about socialism, ACORN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1K4whIv4M0
Obama buys 30 minutes of airtime.
TO TELL MORE LIES!!!
http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/obama-primetime.html
Ross Perot bought a half hour as well.
He lost.
The one would make a far better president than your cancerous, desperate,temperamental dieing bastard..Screw you all..This is a bloody republican blog..no free thinkers..you’re all hypnotized.[ADMINISTRATOR: Peddle this elsewhere, at one of the millions of blogs out there. But not here.]
You’re a very ugly person, ‘undecideduhbamabushbot.’
I’m a democrat from day one; google my name. If it doesn’t scare you that an unabashedly liberal guy who voted for Hillary in the primary, has now voted for McCain/Palin last Tuesday in Ohio, you’re pretty fucking witless.
Just like the rest of your brainwashed peers.
That’s the standard Obot schtick, destardi. If you don’t think like ‘them’ and ‘the one’, exactly, then you’re a ‘Republican’.
I too was a Hillary supporter and was a lifelong Dem, enraged by Obama and the DNC’s treatment of her (and of us). We just sent our ballots in yesterday for McCain / Palin and any other person who does NOT support Obama.
I’m SO glad there are other dems who are doing what is RIGHT.
Even if it means going up against the obamabushbots.
I ALWAYS link obots with bushbots, because they’re the same type of person, just on different sides of the aisle, and they’re too goddamned stupid to recognize blind faith in any person is WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Ijust love how the *undecided* dude switched over just today, but then becomes a completely apeshit obamabot, insulting mccain, and everyone, in a matter of seconds. heheh
Wow. Look how Undecided went from ‘undecided’ to screaching-far-left-terrorist in a matter of minutes.
Rather disingenuous of you, Undecided. And the meltdown is not the least big becoming. All those red veins on your forehead make you look, like, oh yes! Like an OBOT.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
undecidedvoter….shut up your pig mouth. Making reference to McCain’s past problem wth cancer is so Obamanesque.
Melanoma is curable if caught in time – and it’s easy to catch. I know. My spouse went through it in a few years back.
It’s bad karma to make statements like that about a man’s defeat of cancer, undecided Obot. It will come back and bite you in your lily-white ass – literally.
At least McCain’s kids rallied around their dad in his illness.
Unlike Obama who didn’t visit his mother on her death bed but feels free to use her as an example of the evils of health insurance companies.
As a Harvard trained lawyer he could have scared the company into paying with 2 or 3 calls.
Take two kool-aid drinks and take along nap you will feel better in the morning.
And you, “Undecided voter,” are further proof–as if any were needed–that all anyone has to do to figure out who the Oborg and their Messiah really are, is to note what they accuse us of being or doing.
OTOH, I don’t buy the notion that Obama is a Socialist, or indeed any kind of Leftist.
I don’t think he has any real ideology at all. He’s a political whore who will lie down with anyone who will pay his price. Anything that furthers Barack Obama is okie dokie with him.
The reason that the markets are crashing is that socialist/economist groups are meeting all over the place in Washington and everywhere and are mostly saying that they are planning to do it all over again. People are saying that the government is going to give borrowers a break but then borrowers themselves will not be qualified by being able to prove ability to pay. Again. I mean people are saying that the CRA rules need to remain intact. That poor people need to be given loans.
Then Obama yesterday said that health care in America is a right.
So now anyone with any common sense can see that American have two new Constitutional rights coming up. One the right to be treated for their illnesses regardless of their ability to pay and the right to buy a home regardless of their ability to pay.
Great Post………
Socialism/Communism is a very real possiblity in America. The government taking over banks is a big step towards controlling the economy. We have already lost many civil liberties. No way should we elect Nobama who is an (alleged) card carrying member.
This is very alarming and people like savage and undecided voter are lambs to the slaughter. The rest of us will at least go down fighting.
Ms,
I love your realism but please, start seeing them going down fighting rather than yourself. ( although my view is that they’ll go down running away.)
Two ideologies are facing off here. The other side thinks they are righting wrongs and doing for the little guy but the truth is that no little guy ever was happy under Marxism.
A factor of freedom is that some will take advantage of it to screw over others and get rich unfairly. What this new breed of Marxism is doing is essentially partnering up with the fat cats to devour that which exists between them. Us.
ACORN’s extortion of FannieFreddie exemplifies this.
Obama, no differently than any other lying despot, is saying the exact opposite of what he intends in the hope that cowards and fools will outnumber the sane and the wise.
Keep hope alive and your powder dry…
regards
Biden and Obama are saying in their speeches that progress is measured by the ability of people to enter and acquire middle class status. That they will do whatever needs to be done so their listeners become middle class earners. It almost also sound like it is a right for Americans to be middle class earners. So Biden and Obama are advocating three new Constitutional rights.
1. The right to be treated for illnesses.
2. The right to purchase a home regardless of ability to pay.
3. The right to have the ability to pay for a home.
Hugo Chavez, can you please come to America, with your Bolivarian aura and show Biden and Obama how to invoke a Constitutional Assembly and scrap our present Constitution and write a new one with these new American Constitutional rights.
You don’t get it.
Republican Senator John McCain brought together both Republicans and Democrats, including freshman Senator Barack Obama, to review various reform proposals before the Senate, including S2180, introduced by Harry Reid and the Democratic Caucus; and explore best ways to consolidate their work to produce a comprehensive bill containing real ethics reform, with a goal to obtaining sponsors for the bill from both sides of the aisle. BO agreed to participate in this bipartisan effort and attended one meeting. Afterward, he informed Senator McCain that he had changed his mind. Now, he wanted McCain to agree to support – that is, vote for – S2180, the bill drafted by Harry Reid.
Having done no other work on bi-partisan ethics reform in the Senate except attending JMc’s meeting on the subject, BO could nonetheless now honestly claim he had worked on bipartisan legislation on ethics reform in the U.S. Senate. And John McCain knew this; and knew he’d been had.
Two years later, in response to a question at Saddleback, BO would indeed claim as evidence of his bi-partisanship, the fact he had worked with JMc on an ethics reform bill.
Whoever you are, I will pray that you will get away from the stranglehold that Satan has on your soul. Talk like that is far beyond the simple choice of a political party. This is a choice between good and evil and evil always loses.
I sent word to Susan about this…unfortunately I listed his moniker and left out the voter half of it.
I hope he is banned. I am so sick of despicable comments by bots. If I wanted to read them, I would tune in to Huffpo.
I agree..and hmm…UV is also implying that folks with cancer are dying?
News flash to Undecidedvoter: cancer can be cured. My father is proof of that. So stuff it up your arse you freaking droid!
If you are going to use the “health” talking point to make YOUR point, though God only knows what your point might be, be sure to get your f_cking facts straight.
Gal, Good news on your dad! Of course his medical records were there for the doctors to look at. I fear that poor Barry has lost his and that it may turn out to be unhealthy for his career.
Maybe that’s what his half hour program will be about…
“Good evening ladies and gentlemen, I’ve asked for this time to tell you a little something about myself:
I’m addicted to sex, lies, guys, and myself and am checking myself into the Betty Ford, (Ted Kennedy Wing) to cure myself of cigarettes. Since this is an illness beyond my control, Joe Biden will fill in for the next four weeks and deflect any more attacks on my dishonesty. I expect to be elected anyway because to do otherwise would naturally be racist and taking advantage of a sick person.
Thank you and Salaam…uhhh God Bless”
What?
Please elaborate.
Interesting – I first saw it when Hillary was still in the race, and thought it was indicative of how Obama operates. That was from a died-in-the wool Democrat. I can’t help but wonder how, if any independents have seen the way Obama smirks (Bush), gets agitated (Bush), and acts all cocky (Bush) to a senior senator who has a long and distinguished record, if they wouldn’t understand McCain’s justifiable frustration with Obama. But that’s just me.
And yes – it is old – almost 3 yrs. It is indicative of a pattern – that’s the point. Just sayin’.
Minor point, but did you notice in Obama’s letter (if it was real), the salutation was “Dear John” compared to McCain’s “Dear Senator Obama”. Nobama cannot bring himself to be even the least bit respectful to anyone.
How ironic that you would say that as you sit behind your computer screen. Who’s the wimp now?
So anywy, guess you guys read about the lady in Texas who had the secret service show up on her doorstep because she was rude to an Obama volunteer, right?
No punchline…unfortuntely, it’s not a joke.
HaVEN’T READ THAT. LINK?
I write rude letters and emails to the DNC and Obamacrats daily (all using THEIR postage – what fools they are!) and I’m letting any of their flunkies that call me know what I feel about them and their loser candidate.
SO, I’d like to know what happened to the lady in TX. These ObamaBots are fucking nutcases and should all be examined by national security – not those who are not buying the Obama bullshit.
Could someone get this on the front of a major newspaper, WSJ or WP, NYP?????
This would be awesome for people to see the BO is not to be taken at his word.