Comments on: Progressives, Socialists, and Marxists – Updated (Bottom of Page) http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:08:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: BerlinBerlin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-884076 BerlinBerlin Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:43:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-884076 Well, I haven't seen the debate since I was on the road. But I feel a huge anti-Obama vote coming. Landslide, yes, but not for BO. Reality is that he does not connect to middle America. Well, I haven’t seen the debate since I was on the road.
But I feel a huge anti-Obama vote coming.
Landslide, yes, but not for BO.
Reality is that he does not connect to middle America.

]]> By: John Smith http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-879010 John Smith Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:51:50 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-879010 The story on election day will be that there was a very low turnout for the democratic ticket. The fact that all the effort that Obama camp has put into voter turn out and only 28K voters voted in Ohio in a 5 day period speaks volumes about the support the democratic ticket has in Ohio. The polls can say what ever they want but if people don't turn out it really makes no difference. The story on election day will be that there was a very low turnout for the democratic ticket. The fact that all the effort that Obama camp has put into voter turn out and only 28K voters voted in Ohio in a 5 day period speaks volumes about the support the democratic ticket has in Ohio. The polls can say what ever they want but if people don’t turn out it really makes no difference.

]]> By: JP49 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-878353 JP49 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:32:02 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-878353 Did anybody notice that cousin Odinga's campaign slogan was 'CHANGE'? Did anybody notice that cousin Odinga’s campaign slogan was ‘CHANGE’?

]]> By: bemused http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-878126 bemused Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:28:28 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-878126 I'm beginning to believe there is an unseen epidemic of an undiagnosed mental condition, a form of paranoia where every negative feeling is construed as being due to appearance (ie race is basically appearance; how things are done, like food and holidays, is culture). Not completely joking. Certainly we notice people getting anorexic and too many teenagers considering plastic surgery as part of growing up. But these people saying this that and the other is racist are beginning to seem pretty loony if they think this is what is happening. I’m beginning to believe there is an unseen epidemic of an undiagnosed mental condition, a form of paranoia where every negative feeling is construed as being due to appearance (ie race is basically appearance; how things are done, like food and holidays, is culture). Not completely joking. Certainly we notice people getting anorexic and too many teenagers considering plastic surgery as part of growing up. But these people saying this that and the other is racist are beginning to seem pretty loony if they think this is what is happening.

]]> By: IndieDogg http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877969 IndieDogg Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:36:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877969 Character Illumination is not Character Assassination. Assassination usually connotes gunning down someone otherwise innocent. Illumination is a means of shining a light into darkness. Or, in this case, peeling the protective facade off of someone not at all innocent. Big difference. Nobody in this crowd made BHO conceal his records (which he's still concealing, by the way) or lie about his associations, or play politician (the successive layers of "well, then, would you believe this") with emerging facts. That's not called character assassination. It's called political suicide. [A courtroom principle that BHO might have wanted to consider (but for his arrogance, he might have -- he has smart, savvy people around him): If there's something negative about your client, your client should be the one to bring it up. Otherwise, the fact doesn't become about the fact any more. It becomes about truthfulness. And, once you lose that battle, you're done. It will be argued, with justification, if your client will lie about one thing, they can't be believed about the rest.] Character Illumination is not Character Assassination.

Assassination usually connotes gunning down someone otherwise innocent.

Illumination is a means of shining a light into darkness. Or, in this case, peeling the protective facade off of someone not at all innocent.

Big difference.

Nobody in this crowd made BHO conceal his records (which he’s still concealing, by the way) or lie about his associations, or play politician (the successive layers of “well, then, would you believe this”) with emerging facts.

That’s not called character assassination. It’s called political suicide.

[A courtroom principle that BHO might have wanted to consider (but for his arrogance, he might have -- he has smart, savvy people around him): If there's something negative about your client, your client should be the one to bring it up. Otherwise, the fact doesn't become about the fact any more. It becomes about truthfulness. And, once you lose that battle, you're done. It will be argued, with justification, if your client will lie about one thing, they can't be believed about the rest.]

]]> By: hootnannie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877908 hootnannie Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:23:03 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877908 The "fly-over" folks between LA and NY will not, by and large, vote for BO. The pollsters must be polling each other! And, as for Cornel West, I think he's a pompous, elitist, race-baiting, chip-on-the-shoulder product of Affirmative Action and white guilt who uses victimhood to get his way. He even claimed Harward picked on "the wrong Negro" when his unscholarly activities were criticized. Kinda like Bobo, aint he? The “fly-over” folks between LA and NY will not, by and large, vote for BO. The pollsters must be polling each other!
And, as for Cornel West, I think he’s a pompous, elitist, race-baiting, chip-on-the-shoulder product of Affirmative Action and white guilt who uses victimhood to get his way. He even claimed Harward picked on “the wrong Negro” when his unscholarly activities were criticized. Kinda like Bobo, aint he?

]]> By: astro http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877895 astro Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:20:50 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877895 Great post. I am a member of MCCNY, and many of our pastors are and have been Union graduates. And yes, we believe in sharing wealth as a means of "leveling the playing field," which is perhaps the distinction between charity and a social justice impetus. And honestly, if I believed Obama was truly motivated by a desire to help others, I would likely be defending his socialism. But I don't think he's motivated by anything save ambition and ego. Social justice agendas have been notoriously abused by such proponents as him, who prefer to dictate and wring advantage out of another's suffering rather than alleviate it. Great post. I am a member of MCCNY, and many of our pastors are and have been Union graduates. And yes, we believe in sharing wealth as a means of “leveling the playing field,” which is perhaps the distinction between charity and a social justice impetus. And honestly, if I believed Obama was truly motivated by a desire to help others, I would likely be defending his socialism. But I don’t think he’s motivated by anything save ambition and ego. Social justice agendas have been notoriously abused by such proponents as him, who prefer to dictate and wring advantage out of another’s suffering rather than alleviate it.

]]> By: BernieO http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877791 BernieO Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:58:46 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877791 That is my best guess, too. If he were committed to a socialist, progressive ideology I doubt he would have aligned himself with Rezko and allowed him to have slums in Obama's own district. Nor would he have watered down the bill requiring nuclear power companies to report radioactive leaks. He has been all over the map, aligning himself with whomever he thought would benefit him. If he has any core beliefs, I sure can't figure out what they are. Who knows, maybe he is a socialist at heart who pretends to be a capitalist just to get ahead. Or vice versa. He needed that mansion so badly he was willing to risk going to Rezko, who was already being investigated by the Feds. Hardly the act of a true socialistg. Then again maybe he is just a naive egomaniac who really thinks he is so special that his magical persona will cure all our ills. I have never had problems getting a handle on who our presidential candidates are until now. I get dizzy just thinking about Obama. He is very strange. That is my best guess, too. If he were committed to a socialist, progressive ideology I doubt he would have aligned himself with Rezko and allowed him to have slums in Obama’s own district. Nor would he have watered down the bill requiring nuclear power companies to report radioactive leaks.

He has been all over the map, aligning himself with whomever he thought would benefit him. If he has any core beliefs, I sure can’t figure out what they are. Who knows, maybe he is a socialist at heart who pretends to be a capitalist just to get ahead. Or vice versa. He needed that mansion so badly he was willing to risk going to Rezko, who was already being investigated by the Feds. Hardly the act of a true socialistg. Then again maybe he is just a naive egomaniac who really thinks he is so special that his magical persona will cure all our ills. I have never had problems getting a handle on who our presidential candidates are until now. I get dizzy just thinking about Obama. He is very strange.

]]> By: hilldemgoneindie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877790 hilldemgoneindie Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:58:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877790 i wonder if the obama camp is counting on this... i'm not voting for obama because... (wait for it)... HE'S a racist!! i wonder if the obama camp is counting on this…

i’m not voting for obama because… (wait for it)…

HE’S a racist!!

]]> By: Evgenia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877784 Evgenia Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:57:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877784 Great article. A lot of people in their 20s have no idea what socialism or communism is about. To the knowledgeable few amongst the group, it is just an abstract theory, nothing else. In fact, it might even be considered deck to call themselves socialists now because Obama is being labeled as one by us. Socialism in theory may be a great form of government to some, but it never works when put to practice. It always reverts to a grand pyramid scheme in which a wealthy, powerful class controls the masses. Obama and his friends would like to belong to that wealthy, powerful class. In other words, socialism for the masses and capitalism for the governing class. Give the poor people just enough (government rebate checks, supposed lower taxes to people who don't pay taxes) to keep them dependent on the largesse of Dear Leader. That is, until people start to see the light and rebel, in which case the fascist hegemony rears its ugly head and, well you know the rest. My family immigrated here from Russia and China because of these oppressive governments. Both sides of my family were either landowners or part of the intelligentsia, trust me when I say that socialists/ communists are not very nice people, and certainly not ones you'd want at the top of the pyramid. Alas, as an aging thirtysomething hipster living in Sanctuary City/ Kool-Aid Central a.k.a San Francisco, I've got to blend in with denizens of this once great city. This Halloween, I am going to dress up as an Obama supporter by wearing old Komosol (Young Pioneer) uniform, while carrying a pitcher of Kool-Aid. Great article. A lot of people in their 20s have no idea what socialism or communism is about. To the knowledgeable few amongst the group, it is just an abstract theory, nothing else. In fact, it might even be considered deck to call themselves socialists now because Obama is being labeled as one by us.

Socialism in theory may be a great form of government to some, but it never works when put to practice. It always reverts to a grand pyramid scheme in which a wealthy, powerful class controls the masses. Obama and his friends would like to belong to that wealthy, powerful class. In other words, socialism for the masses and capitalism for the governing class. Give the poor people just enough (government rebate checks, supposed lower taxes to people who don’t pay taxes) to keep them dependent on the largesse of Dear Leader. That is, until people start to see the light and rebel, in which case the fascist hegemony rears its ugly head and, well you know the rest.

My family immigrated here from Russia and China because of these oppressive governments. Both sides of my family were either landowners or part of the intelligentsia, trust me when I say that socialists/ communists are not very nice people, and certainly not ones you’d want at the top of the pyramid.

Alas, as an aging thirtysomething hipster living in Sanctuary City/ Kool-Aid Central a.k.a San Francisco, I’ve got to blend in with denizens of this once great city. This Halloween, I am going to dress up as an Obama supporter by wearing old Komosol (Young Pioneer) uniform, while carrying a pitcher of Kool-Aid.

]]> By: hilldemgoneindie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877757 hilldemgoneindie Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:49:17 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877757 yes, people do care about associations. if, perhaps, mccain or palin had past associations with the kkk or radical pro white entities we'd be talking about romney or huckabee at the top of the repub ticket. we hear cries - CONSTANTLY - of racism, but i submit that it's racist to dismiss ANY of obama's controversial relationships. wright, phfleger, ayers, et al... what part of white hating or american hating don't people get? but ah, it's against obama (who is 1/2 white lest we forget) so it's racist. maybe it should be considered 1/2 racist? just thinking out loud. at any rate, unless and until we call out the dems and the obama campaign for racism, LOUD AND CLEAR AND CONTINUOUSLY, they will continue to shout racism about EVERYTHING. the most recent insanity, mccain's use of the term "that one" is a racist statement? lord... yes, people do care about associations. if, perhaps, mccain or palin had past associations with the kkk or radical pro white entities we’d be talking about romney or huckabee at the top of the repub ticket. we hear cries – CONSTANTLY – of racism, but i submit that it’s racist to dismiss ANY of obama’s controversial relationships. wright, phfleger, ayers, et al… what part of white hating or american hating don’t people get? but ah, it’s against obama (who is 1/2 white lest we forget) so it’s racist. maybe it should be considered 1/2 racist? just thinking out loud. at any rate, unless and until we call out the dems and the obama campaign for racism, LOUD AND CLEAR AND CONTINUOUSLY, they will continue to shout racism about EVERYTHING. the most recent insanity, mccain’s use of the term “that one” is a racist statement? lord…

]]> By: athy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877729 athy Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:37:52 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877729 RRRAmy- Excellent article. Very informative. I learned a lot! Thanks RRRAmy-
Excellent article. Very informative.
I learned a lot! Thanks

]]> By: Duras http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877706 Duras Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:28:30 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877706 We need to get the damn financial markets off the front page of the newspapers. If they'd just settle down, McCain might be able to claw his way back into it. But as long as people are scared, they're going to tend to vote against the incumbent party in the White House. Frankly, given that Bush has a 28% approval rating, I'm amazed that McCain has been able to keep it as close as he has. We need to get the damn financial markets off the front page of the newspapers. If they’d just settle down, McCain might be able to claw his way back into it.

But as long as people are scared, they’re going to tend to vote against the incumbent party in the White House.

Frankly, given that Bush has a 28% approval rating, I’m amazed that McCain has been able to keep it as close as he has.

]]> By: DianeJ http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877698 DianeJ Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:26:04 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877698 Interesting blog. Interesting blog.

]]> By: Duras http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877684 Duras Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:23:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/09/progressives-socialists-and-marxists/#comment-877684 I agree. I can stomach Feinstein, but Boxer is a raving loon. I agree. I can stomach Feinstein, but Boxer is a raving loon.

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