When It Comes to Ayers, It is Participation that Matters
By Larry Johnson on October 9, 2008 at 8:19 PM in Annenberg Chicago Challenge, Barack Obama, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, Chicago School Reform Collaborative, Current Affairs, Weather Underground, William Ayers
Barack Obama is a liar. Plain and simple. When he was asked about William Ayers, unrepentant terrorist, in an April Democratic debate this year, he said:
George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.
But we now know that is not true. Obama tries to create the impression that his contact with Ayers was incidental and there was no meaningful contact. He persists with this myth in yesterday’s interview with Charlie Gibson:
This is not a case of two guys sitting in two adjacent cars in a traffic jam with their windows down who just strike up a conversation and chat about the snarled traffic. That is an incidental association. A serendipitous crossing of paths but no lasting relationship. Nope! When it comes to Obama and Ayers they spent time sitting in the same car while working together on a common project heading to the same destination. That ain’t association, that is a relationship of some depth.
Let’s take a different look at this. Assume, for the sake of argument, that Bill Ayers had been a guard at Auschwitz as a young man.
Let’s assume that, like several former Nazi concentration camp guards who made their way surreptitiously to the United States, Ayers concealed his past activities and became a model citizen. Would his past actions matter? Nazi hunters such as Elie Wiesel and the late Simon Wiesenthal are on the record insisting that past actions do matter. Here is Wiesel commenting on moral indifference.
Bill Ayers did not commit crimes on par with the holocaust, but if we accept as true the teaching of the Talmud, the number of victims murdered by the Weathermen, a group led by Ayers, is irrelevant morally. According to the Talmud:
“FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL… SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL…, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD.”
Which brings us back to Barack. He is not responsible for Ayers’ actions in the sixties. But he is responsible for choosing to work for, work with, and solicit political support from Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn.
The media continues to misstate the nature of their business relationship. Bill Ayers was the key organizer and driving force in establishing the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He was intimately involved in creating and sustaining its operations. Barack Obama was selected–WITH AYERS ASSENT–to be the Chairman of the Board of Directors. Obama now wants people to believe that he, as Chairman of the Board, had no significant interaction with the de facto head of the CAC, Bill Ayers, during his four years heading up the board. This defies logic and common sense.
Barack continues to skirt the issue of when he first became aware that Bill Ayers was an unrepentant terrorist. Ayers certainly did not hide the matter. He has been on the record with this multiple times, including his now infamous interview published in the NY Times on September 11, 2001.
This is not guilt by association. This is guilt because of continued participation. And Barack continues to lie about the nature of the relationship.
The McCain campaign obviously has been reading our blog. They put out this comprehensive summary of Obama’s prevarications and slipperiness:
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN’S EVER-DEVELOPING AYERS STORY
Since Monday, The Obama Campaign Has Had Six (6) Distinct Stories About Barack Obama’s Relationship With Bill Ayers:
· STORY #1: David Axelrod And Robert Gibbs Said For The First Time That Barack Obama Did Not Know About Bill Ayers’ Past When Ayers Held A Coffee For Obama In 1995
· STORY #2: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Said He Didn’t Know The “Details” Of Ayers’ Relationship
· STORY #3: Obama Spokesman Bill Burton Said That Barack Obama Did Not Launch His Political Career At Ayers’ House And Didn’t Write A Blurb For An Ayers’ Book.
· STORY #4: David Axelrod Confirmed That Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past After Their Initial Meetings; Contradicted Earlier Story And Said “No One Is Suggesting That He Never Knew”
· STORY #5: Obama Senior Adviser Anita Dunn Says When Barack Obama Went To Ayers’ House, He Was Merely Attending A Meeting Of State Senator Alice Palmer’s Supporters – A Statement Contradicted By Palmer
· STORY #6: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Says After Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past He Continued To Associated With Bill Ayers
· STORY #7: On ABC’s “World News Tonight,” Barack Obama Said He Only Ever Talked With Bill Ayers About School Reform Issues
STORY #1: David Axelrod And Robert Gibbs Said For The First Time That Barack Obama Did Not Know About Bill Ayers’ Past When Ayers Held A Coffee For Obama In 1995
Obama Senior Strategist David Axelrod Said Barack Obama Did Not Know About William Ayers’ History When He Hosted A Coffee For Obama In 1995. ACOSTA: “Now a college professor in Chicago, Ayers and Obama served together several years on a nonprofit board. And in 1995, Ayers hosted a coffee for Obama when the young community organizer was making his first run for the state Senate. At this point looking back, should he not have done that, do you think?” DAVID AXELROD, OBAMA CAMPAIGN CHIEF STRATEGIST: “Well, I mean, when he went, he certainly, he didn’t know the history.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)
· Axelrod Said “There’s No Evidence That They’re Close.” ACOSTA: “The Democratic nominee’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, maintains Obama at that time had no idea about Ayers’ violent past.” AXELROD: “There’s no evidence that they’re close. There’s no evidence that Obama in any way subscribed to any of Ayers’ views. And Obama has been very clear about condemning the despicable acts that Bill Ayers committed 40 years ago when Obama was 8 years old.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)
Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Said That If David Axelrod Said Barack Obama Didn’t Know About Ayers’ Past When He First Met Him Then That Is True. CNN’s JOHN ROBERTS “In 1995 William Ayers held a kind of get to know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the state Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers’ radical background. Is that true?” GIBBS: “Look, if that’s what David said, that is true. Look, again, this is a relationship, excuse me, that Barack Obama has condemned the actions of Bill Ayers. This is somebody that ‘The New York Times’ said that Barack Obama’s not close to, and, again, John, this is a way of distracting the American people from what’s important.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)
FLASHBACK: When Senator Hillary Clinton Made Similar Attack, Obama Campaign NEVER Made Argument That He Didn’t Know About Obama’s Radical And Violent Past. (Obama For America, “Fact Check On Obama And Ayers, factcheck.barackobama.com, 4/17/08)
STORY #2: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Said He Didn’t Know The “Details” Of Ayers’ Relationship
Gibbs Said He Didn’t Know About All The Details Of The Ayers’ Relationship. FOX NEWS’ GRETCHEN CARLSON: “But Robert, let me ask you this because as time goes on here, there seemed to be more ties between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, for example, he wrote the foreword or a blurb at least for Bill Ayers’ book. If you don’t know somebody very well, do you participate in their book?” GIBBS: “Look, I don’t know all the details of this. I know what I read in the newspapers, and I know what I’ve seen throughout any number of publications that looked at this this weekend.” (FOX News’ “Fox & Friends,” 10/7/08)
STORY #3: Obama Spokesman Bill Burton Said That Barack Obama Did Not Launch His Political Career At Ayers’ House And Didn’t Write A Blurb For An Ayers’ Book.
Obama Spokesman Bill Burton Said Barack Obama Did Not Launch His Political Career At Ayers’ House And Didn’t Write A Blurb For An Ayers’ Book. FOX NEWS’ MEGYN KELLY: “I want you give you the chance to set the record straight with the Obama campaign is concerned, because they want to know about this. They cite the fact is they served together on this board, the Woods Fund, which was a community group for several years. That Barack Obama chaired this group, the Annenberg Challenge, that Ayers founded. That Barack Obama wrote a blurb for Ayers’ book. That they appeared together on several academic panels. That Barack Obama kicked off his political career in Ayers’ Chicago home in 1995. These are the things they cite to us saying these two seem awfully chummy, why shouldn’t we care?” BILL BURTON: “Ok, well let me say a couple of things. You already know my point about the McCain campaign purposely trying to distract from the economy because they know they lose when they talk about it. But on the facts, since you asked, as The New York Times sent an investigative reporter to take a hard look at Barack Obama and Bill Ayers’ path have some crossed over the course 15 years or so that Barack has been in Chicago. He did not launch his career from Bill Ayers’ home. He did not write a blurb for Bill Ayers’ book.” (FOX News’ “Live,” 10/7/08)
FLASHBACK: In 1997, Barack Obama Wrote A Review Of Bill Ayers Book. “Barack Obama State senator … A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court by William Ayers (Beacon Press) …’A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.’” (Chicago Tribune, 12/21/97)
STORY #4: David Axelrod Confirmed That Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past After Their Initial Meetings; Contradicted Earlier Story And Said “No One Is Suggesting That He Never Knew”
David Axelrod Said That Barack Obama Learned About Bill Ayers’ Past After Their First Meetings. “So when did Obama learn of Ayers’ past? ‘It was sometime after their first meetings, you know, he became aware of that,’ David Axelrod, Obama’s chief campaign strategist, said on board the Obama campaign plane from Asheville, N.C. to Nashville for tonight’s debate. ‘I don’t know the exact moment.’” (John McCormick, “William Ayers’ Past Was Unknown: Obama,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com, Posted 10/7/08)
· Axelrod Said That Barack Obama Became Aware Of Ayers’ Past After The 1995 Reception That Ayers Held For Obama. “Did Obama know of Ayers’ history before or after the event, a small reception for Obama’s state Senate campaign, in 1995 at Ayers’ home? ‘My understanding was that he, when he went there, he did not know, so I would say after,’ Axelrod said — confirming that he has asked Obama about this. ‘Yes, yeah.’” (John McCormick, “William Ayers’ Past Was Unknown: Obama,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com, Posted 10/7/08)
Axelrod: “No One Is Suggesting That He Never Knew.” “‘No one is suggesting that he never knew,’ Axelrod notes of Obama, who has since repudiated Ayers’ protest tactics. ‘I mean that’s not, we weren’t offering that.’” (John McCormick, “William Ayers’ Past Was Unknown: Obama,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com, Posted 10/7/08)
STORY #5: Obama Senior Adviser Anita Dunn Says When Barack Obama Went To Ayers’ House, He Was Merely Attending A Meeting Of State Senator Alice Palmer’s Supporters – A Statement Contradicted By Palmer
Obama Senior Adviser Anita Dunn: “A Democratic state senator organizes a meeting of her supporters at the house of another one of her supporters. What is the problem here, Drew? It is the worst kind of inference and the worst kind of politics to say that somehow that says something about Barack Obama.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 10/6/08)
CNN’s Drew Griffin: “Number One, Former Senator Alice Palmer Says She In No Way Organized This Meeting And She Was Invited And Attended It Briefly.” “Anderson, this meeting at Bill Ayers home has been classified in many different ways. What I can tell you from the two people who were actually there, is number one, former Senator Alice Palmer says she, in no way organized this meeting and she was invited and attended it briefly. And Doctor Quentin Young, a retired doctor, told us this indeed was Barack Obama’s political coming out party and it was hosted by Bill Ayers.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360,” 10/6/08)
STORY #6: Obama Senior Adviser Robert Gibbs Says After Barack Obama Knew About Ayers’ Past He Continued To Associated With Bill Ayers
Robert Gibbs: “Yes” Barack Obama Continued To Associate Himself With Bill Ayers After He Found Out About His Past. TIME’S MARK HALPERIN: “Is it fair to say that [Barack Obama] continued to associate with [Bill Ayers] professionally – and personally on a casual basis – even after he learned?” GIBBS: “He continued to serve on a charitable board and an educational grant board with money supplied by Walter Annenberg, a Republican who was an ambassador under Richard Nixon. Yes.” HALPERIN: “But with the knowledge of Ayers’ past?” GIBBS: “Yes.” (Time’s “The Page,” 10/7/08)
STORY #7: On ABC’s “World News Tonight,” Barack Obama Said He Only Ever Talked With Bill Ayers About School Reform Issues
Barack Obama: “And We Served On A School Reform Board Together … And So I Talked To Him About School Reform Issues.” ABC’S CHARLIE GIBSON: “Are you going to have to address that again? How are you going to explain it? Have you had a continuing connection with it? And why didn’t you just cut it off once and for all once when you knew?” OBAMA: “Why don’t we just clear it up right now. I’ll repeat again what I’ve said many times. This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois. And we served on a school reform board together, by the way, that was funded by Walter Annenberg, who had been an ambassador and close friend of Ronald Reagan. And so I have talked to him about school reform issues. And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that he — I’ve palled around with a terrorist, all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.” (ABC’s “World News Tonight,” 10/8/08)
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WOW McCain ad on they just played on FOX nails on Ayers
Look at what some women-hating Obama scumbag did:
http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/10/09/milk/#comments
LOL OMG Larry my head is spinning with that list of WORMS!
God Almighty the weight of all that has slid off the wall known as the CHANGLING and has (honestly) transformed space and time. Alternate Universes.
Something HAD to (by the laws of physics alone) finally STICK!!!
Gravity would prevail! BUT what a LIST!! Wow!
I hope it’s not too late and we’re all not past the event horizon of this black hole known as the 08 election.
(that huge sucking noise we hear is all the paper money we just tossed over board to try to salvage our souls)
ya think it will work?
PA!
Agree with you Dawnelle…At this point NQ could start a Barky WORM Farm…Great article Larry. NQ Rocks!
DIC MIHI SOLUM FACTA…DOMINA!
Just the facts….Ma’am….
COUNTRY FIRST!
lol @ worm farm
PERFECT idea!!
That is what happens when you tell a never ending circle of LIES. Why not just the truth? Becuase voters wouldn’t be able to accept the truth. Fact.
[Administrator: Begone with you.]
Even if he wins the election he will never be my president.
Careful “rtn45″ – your delusion is showing.
President Obama my ass, I will never accept that man as POTUS
Don’t count your
AcornsChickens before they come home to roost.With what glee they support the socialist fraud Obama!
Awwwww, poor widdle trollie trollie trollie! After sitting and picking your butt for HOURS and HOURS, waiting to pounce and scream FIRST on the thread, you just couldn’t make the grade – another failure on the hopey-changey express. No 7 bucks for you…
“When the Messiah speaks the youth will hear”
Farrakan today
Something is awfully wrong here:
MARY MATLIN IS MAKING SENSE TO ME!!!
I have had friends who I have not talked to for a year be completely bowled over by the fact that I have done a 180 on all my views.
What they find most striking is that I’m giving NO Quarter to any of them when it comes to by beliefs.
God save America!
McCain/Palin
Yes, the advent of the fraud Obama is having this kind of effect on many people – I count myself among them.
Ditto for me. But once you start looking, the corruption within the Democratic Party is clearly as deep as within the Republican Party.
I don’t like any of them.
We the american people have been manipulated by MSM for decades as they focused on extreme wings of the parties…The truth is we have much in common and it is the so called wedge issues that are used to devide us.
I for one an gettin tired of it. Tired of Republican hate vs. Democrat Hate….And damn tired of Self Interest trumping the interests of Country and The Public.
It seems as if most of my adult life it has boiled down to these conflicts…
Black vs. White
Women vs. Men
Gay vs. Straight
Peaceniks vs. Soldiers
Christians vs. Everybody
Labor vs. Management
Patriots vs. Commies
Conservatives vs. Liberals ( Atheist Commies )
Rich vs. Poor
Citizens vs. Immigrants
This is an incomplete list of course but since I was born in 1960….this seems to pretty much sum up most of the crap that I have seen the media and the extreme wings of either party focus on…
The only time in my memory when we had a break was when we had centrists of either party in office.
McCain seems to be a centrist type Republican…Kinda like the Clintons were Centrist type Democrats…One thing is sure…
America needs a Break from the extremist factions and their agenda…Aaaaand the evidence is clear that Barky is NOT a Force of UNITY but only DIVISION…Things will get worse with Barky….
Here’s a new Latin Motto for Barky to put on his fake seal for his upcoming fake address to the Nation…
NON PLAUDITE…MODO PECUNIAM JACITE!
DON’T APPLAUD…JUST THROW MONEY!
Now Oblowme is saying “I thought he was rehabilitated” from Politico. What a freaking liar, liar, how long did it take for you to come up with that your pants are on fire.
Obama’s story changes from day to day, eh?
But at least we DO know that when he said, “he’s just some guy who lives in my neighborhood,” in the debate with HIllary, he was CLEARLY lying and hoping he could get away with it.
I think we need a “special comment” from Keith Olbermann denouncing Obama for his dishonesty and poor judgement.
But don’t hold your breath. LOL
This is a fantastic post. Obama is a liar. Plain and simple. And a man who lies about cavorting with terrorists.
This is so incredible i find it hard to fathom that you all continue to run with this crap! I happen to know Bill Ayers….he comes to a foundation located across the hall from the co i work for in chicago…he is NOT a terrorist. Quite the contrary, he is respected and known and acknowledged by HUNDREDS if not thousands of people in the field of education, not just in Chicago but worldwide. He was selected as educator of the year – he teaches at a renown university and advises the mayor of Chicago. So the entire city is full of crooks and terrorists?? I think not. you are all sounding like the typical uneducated, ill-informed, narrow-minded prejudiced dolts that you probably are. you are the reason this country is laughed at world-wide….typical stupid insular americans. You truly should be ashamed of yourselves. and Larry, I will ask again…where are the whitey tapes?????
I think you are missing the entire point.
The point is: Obama lies to the public.
That’s right. Over and over and over again.
That’s the problem, Ann; you nailed it.
Actually, for the most part, he has his SURROGATES lie.
if a person can be a bona fide, bomb-setting, america-hating terrorist and be “respected” in academia in chicago, then that is one messed up place, and i don’t want our next president coming from there.
I don’t know about the city of Chicago being filled with terrorists, but it certainly is filled with crooks. Isn’t there a revolving door there between holding political office and going to jail? My dad grew up in the same South Side neighborhood as the first Mayor Daley. Daley and friends called themselves a social club but were more like a street gang, according to my dad.
A “social club?”
Isn’t that exactly what the Mafia called themselves?
Jeez.
Suzanne,
You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a man, if you can call Obama that but for supporting someone who will sell our country out to the terrorists in the world and George Soros.
When you say Bill Ayers is not a terrorist, you are delusional.
I for one would like to see the Admin people delete your post and ban you from posting here.
You are a disgusting piece of shit.
Obama is so disingenuous. The Hyde Park community, home to the University of Chicago, is innately proud of its history of radicalism. It’s a badge of honor there. For Ayers’ Weatherman history to be unknown to Obama is beyond credulity.
Plus, as I’ve said before, If Obama truly were unaware, such a lack of intelligence would automatically prove him unqualified to be POTUS. Maybe the press should be asking Obama what newspapers he reads!
H E – L I E D ! ! !
Sarah Palin already pointed out to Greta that even she knew about ayers up in alaska and scoffed that Obama didnt know about the Weather Underground:
Here watch! The Ayers part Starts at 1:54
PALIN ON AYERS ON GRETA
YOU BETCHA!!!!
Its a great interview and you can find all 4 or five parts there at the link
He feigns stupidity regularly. The press has allowed those answers to stand.
Hillary couldn’t get them to even consider it. Now, McCain is saying the obvious.
It’s been so non-adult-like with Obama. Very disturbing to adults.
If you believe PUMA Princess Palin knew of Ayers when she was in Alaska you probably believe she is qualified to step in immediately if McCain dies suddenly in office! Palin does know a thing or two about extremists though. She is married to a man that was part of the AIP, a radical breakaway group. AIP’s founder said some highly disloyal things about the US. But what the hell, the market is tanking and McCain is out of hair-brained ideas. As for Larry Johnson accusing anyone about lying, where is the whitey tape! Larry, if you and your repub cronies can’t produce it now, it didn’t exist. Will you be man enough to apologize for being a false rumor monger? Probably not, but it is worth asking.
Oh for God’s sake, slob.
Anyone over 40 years old knows who Bill Ayers and the Weathermen were.
I’m sorry you and yours are so under-informed, but the rest of us are not accountable for your naivete.
Go away, dipstick.
Anyone who has any acquaintance with the radical left in the 1960s know who the Weathermen are. Maybe living in your mom’s basement for so long has stunted your intellectual growth.
slobodanee,
You and Suzanne should join each other or go over to Daily Kos or Salon to spew your vile hatred and delusional lies. We don’t want you on this forum.
Obama as President is a roll of the dice with respect foreign policy. For example, what type of expectations will Muslim leaders have of President Obama? We know that Quaddafi has supported Obama (based on the fact that his father was Muslim). We know that Quaddafi says he has contributed to Obama’s campaign. What will he expect him to do as President?
Further, Obama was raised in Indonesia–how will this impact our relations with Indonesia and other regional countries?
It seems that there is a conspiracy of silence by the MSM about even asking questions of this type. Isn’t it legitimate to raise such questions?
Don’t worry. An Obama presidency is not going to happen.
Obama has many, MANY fellow travelers (after all, there are plenty of people who HATE America other than Obama). However, amongst all his minions jockeying for position and the speculation over who is using whom, Obama bides his time as a Trojan Horse. taqiyya is the word.
I have been telling everyone i know we need to do just one thing, and that is call all MSM outlets and demand they ASK OBAMA WHY HE IS FIGHTING A LAWSUIT to show his “vaulted birth certificate” Look if he cannot produce it, that is game over and everything else is just part of this Perfect Storm gathering to explode.We all have to become ACTIVE NOW to make our voices heard before this fraud makes his way into the Oval Office. This is of the utmost urgency and I for one can no longer just sit online reading more proof this man is the biggest political fraud our country has ever witnessed. GET GOING AND GET CALLING. And ask to speak to a “live” person not voicemail! CBS 212 975-4321 CNN 404 827-1500
MSNBC 212 664-3499 FOX ALREADY KNOWS SO NO NEED TO CALL THEM LOL
I am so mad at our government. We, as US citizens, have to jump through hoops to prove who we are before we can get government jobs (except political jobs apparently), grants, loans, etc… But Obama, who wants to be our next President, doesn’t have to prove who the hell he is! WTF??!!
WE MUST DEMAND TO SEE OBAMA’S REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!
I personally think this entire effort is quite similar to the witch-hunt going on with Palin in Alaska.
Just because there’s an election, we don’t suspend legal processes in this country.
I agree with McCain. I couldn’t care less about washed-up professor Ayers. Every one of stupid educational theories has bombed. He’s a flop as a terrorist and as an educator.
Who cares if he hosted a meet-and-greet party?
What I care about is that Obama lied to the public. And Larry’s article points out the nuances….love that word…..of how and how often.
Larry…..ship this to RCP. I’ll vote for it.
Gee AnnCA…I do care because it is indicative of Extremists taking over the party…But that’s just me….I do care that this PHONY WHATEVER EMPTY SUIT BULLSHITTER has been carefully groomed by Party bosses to use a scorched earth policy in order to solidify power….
When the Neocons announced theor intention to gain and hold a permanent republican majority in congress…that was a shiver…
It seems as if Pelosi et,al…are tryin to do the same thing…shiver…
Also, I think That special NAZI Salute O-Bots do at the rallies…Just confirms how important HISTORY is to teach in School…
Since Barky and Co. are so adept at rewriting personal history on the fly aaaaand have no hesitation at painting the Clintons as Racist….God knows what is next….I mean it’s very easy to educate an entire generation by manipulating history toward either a warped ideology or a warped nationalism…Aaaaand this can have immediate effects locally as well as Globally…
Barky’s LYING is the character flaw…Where this leads us as a nation has already been indicated…DIVISION AND CENSORSHIP…
At a recent WORSHIP OBAMA RALLY…It was said that we must stop being a CRITICAL SOCIETY AND BECOME A SOCIETY OF RECOGNITION….HUH?
Oh Yeah…I know what that means…we all do.
IT MEANS TOTALITARIANISM
It’s pretty simple really. Berg filed a lawsuit. Obama’s lawyers sought dismissal based on Berg’s lack of standing to bring the suit. Berg filed for discovery. Obama’s lawyers filed for an injunction to stay discovery until the court rules on their motion for dismissal, which would negate the need for discovery, obviously. Got it?
BLUELATRINE….I think it’s special the DNC is usin a terrorist advocate lawyer to defend Barky in Berg v. Obama….Yep! Barky is consistent….Barky has lotsa of interesting friends….
PONY UP THE REAL BC BARKY!
Videre Est Credere! = Seeing is Believing!
A polished turd is still a turd…
Obama WILL NOT become president, I don’t care how much dirty money he spends….
McCain-Palin 2008
lmao @ turd
Indeed!
Did you all hear the idiot’s new excuse, “I thought he was rehabilitated” What a MORON. This is the so-called messiah LOL LOL, I could do a better job leading this country then that idiot Obama, he is a closet racist, and a TERRORIST, he will destroy this country, some morons are just too brainwashed like Manson did to his followers and Jim Jones did to his followers to see the truth. Hey maybe Osama Bin Laden can run for President, seems that some American people have forgiven him for what he did
OMG!!!
Obama stated that he didn’t even know Ayers well!!!!
NOW he’s stating that he thought Ayers was rehabilitated??????
Tomorrow he will Say Ayers was Reincarnated
Well, since barky’s supposed to be the “messiah”, maybe next he’ll say that Ayers is forgiven his past sins!
(On td’s blog, there’s a youtube of Farrakhan calling barky the messiah)
That is it in a nutshell. Obama shows terrible non-presidential judgment and lack of character by not fessing up to the truth about his intimate involvement with Ayers.
And Obama IS responsible for lying to the public about his relationships with Ayers in the debate with Hillary.
“Just some guy who lives in my neighborhood.”
Uh, no. You LIED, Obama.
Obama is a LIAR.
Americans think that Kerry being identified as a “flip flopper” was bad? Just wait and see how Obama’s name will become synonymous with liar.
Obama makes GWB look like the Patron Saint of Truth.
The obama campaign seems to be counting on some kind of mass psychology that says people will rush into the arms of the hopey changey guy in times of crisis. For sure there is some historical basis for that. But it is a very unflattering view of Americans to think we will be so simplistic.
Does character matter LESS in times of crisis or more? Do they really think they can get through 3 1/2 weeks with nothing more than “OMG! Look at that fire over there? Let me in, no need to check “my” ID” I think by Nov 4 voters won’t be willing to trust Obama with their lunch money let alone their families future.
America has flirted with Obama and is now beginning the walk down the aisle with McCain.
uhh they elected bush twice, americans are stupid. If they weren’t obama would never have made it pass the primaries.
Stupidity is a temporary thing.
yea if he’s NOT a bold faced LIAR (not unlike Bush and Cheney)
then it’s even WORSE and he’s just a DIM WIT who doesn’t have a CLUE about ANY thing.
WE’ve had that!!! 8 yrs of that!!
WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THAT?
THE FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT ARE FRIGGEN LOONEY TUNES!!!
THEY LOVE IDIOTS! WHY?????
ARGH!
You guys and gals are still such bitter losers. You can’t stand the thought that Obama survived all the Hillary crap (though I must admit I have begun to regret her earlier stupid statements about Obama because if she didn’t give such fodder to you repubs, she would be a great VP) and he appears to be on the way to win states no democrat has won in many years. If he does, he replaces Bubba as top demo dog and humiliates the repubs.
Hey troll,
Why don’t you bring B.O. some blow and give him some blow, and tell him Larry misses him.
What a LIAR! When Obama talks in vauge terms: 5-10 years ago, not running my campaign… all deversions. What needs to be done is to chase the money from Ayers to Obama,and from Obama back to Ayers. That will show Obama’s lack of judgement as well as redirection of the truth. As Clinton said Its the economy stupid! Well same goes here. Follow the Obama Ayers money and Obama will be caught red handed!
I’m sure someone can daisychain: Obama, Ayers, Rezko, Wright, Pflager in one neat little TV ad.
This was posted by some idiot over at Wake up America that believes that Obama has been sent by Allah to destroy America.
I have been saying for months that what we are witnessing is a slow motion terrorist attack.
ON 911 ALLAH BEGAN HIS MASTERFULL PLAN AND IN 28 DAYS WILL BE COMPLETED. WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE. WE WAITED A LONG TIME FOR THIS AND NOW IT DOES NOT MATTER, PALIN TRASH/MCCAIN TRASH/BIDEN TRASH- OBAMA THE CHOOSEN ONE. ALLAH WILL BE PRAISED IN 28 DAYS BY ALL NATIONS.
OBAMA IS NOT THE CHOOSING OF THE WHITE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, IT IS THE CHOOSING OF OUR MERCYFULL ALLAH. THE AMERICAN WOMEN WILL STOP BEEN THE MODELS OF EVIL, THEY WILL LEARN THE WAY OF OUR FATHERS. THE RULE OF THE WHITE TRASH OVER THE HUMBLE BLACK AND MUSLIMS IS OVER! WE WILL TERMINATE YOUR WEAPONS OF DESTRUCTION, AND WE WILL HELP DOES YOU HAVE HARM. THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE. IT IS DONE. PRAISED ALLAH OUR MERCYFULL FATHER FOR OUR DELIVERANCE.
No wonder that Obama says he will change America and he will change the world.
When the word racist is limited to the white ethnic classification — apparently any other race is free to be racist??
White Trash = racist
And this message was also sexist
Charlie Manson wanted race wars — and Obama is fulfilling Manson’s fantasy.
This was a very disturbing message from a psychopath — and evidence that Obama is not at all who the peaceniks think he is.
McCain needs to tie terrorism to the economy. A terrorist strike while our economy is vulnerable will sink us. A show of hands — who thinks Al Queada doesn’t know that?
The Ayers thing tells me Obama’s instincts are soft on terrorism. Ayers doesn’t make Obama’s blood boil. In his heart and guts, Obama is sympathetic to Ayers’ point of view — like MoveOn/Daily Kos — otherwise he would throw up at the sight of the guy.
Hand up. The economy will bite bambi in the bootox. No wild cards when the country is in crisis.
Apparently, desperate times calls for… ridiculous measures?McCain’s. Already. Lost.Man, January 20th is going to feel DAMNED fine.[ADMINISTRATOR: You can vent elsewhere.
P.S. Don't forget to take that remedial English composition class. "Times" is plural so the verb should be "call."]
Really? Maybe you should do some research all the way back to 1972 when every single Democrat was much further ahead in the polls and STILL LOST.
Kerry was 11 points ahead of Bush at this point.
See you on November 4th.
fif:
I have been looking for the pre-election October polls from 2004 and 2000;
where can I find them?
Thanks!
Can you provide a link? I don’t think Kerry was ever 11 points ahead of Bush, but I will concede your greater point. There is still a long way to go. I don’t think this Ayers crap will work because it reeks of a desperate move. Most Americans aren’t stupid. They know a desperation play, i.e. suspending my campaign, when they see one and this 11th hour line of attack is evidence of McCain’s desperation.
It is hard to believe that BOBO is buds with a guy who waged war against America.
Its hard to believe that McInsane is “buds” with a guy who was convicted during the Watergate scandal for his attempt at subverting democracy; who stated that he was willing to commit murder if he was discovered during one of the Watergate related break ins; and advocated the murder of federal agents by shooting them in head since federal agents wore body armor. Wait, I’m not surprised. McInsane’s running mate or soul mate as he referred to her is sympathetic to Alaskan separatists. So I’m not surprised after all.
Attempt!? LOL all you have is a measly attempt? Bill Ayers ACTUALLY waged war against America. Big difference. Huge!!!
It will feel great with a McCain presidency. I can see it now. Obama is toast.
Maybe Obama will win The “Other” One; but rest assure the American people will know who he is so that after 4 years he is butted out of power in shame.
He might be POTUS but history will not be kind to him for he is who he is and has come where he has come from and no matter how hard he, the media and his minions try to cover it up so that he can be POTUS on Jan 20th the truth is out there.
It doesn’t matter what happens between 2008-2012. The economiy is trashed ( many thanks to Frank, Pelosi and Dodd for f8888ing up with Freddie M. and Fannie M.) and Obama will not be able to do anything : there is no money for any programs for a few years: teh economy will take years to restore its strengths.
Maybe Obama will win The “Other” One; but rest assure the American people will know who he is so that after 4 years he is butted out of power in shame.
He might be POTUS but history will not be kind to him for he is who he is and has come where he has come from and no matter how hard he, the media and his minions try to cover it up so that he can be POTUS on Jan 20th the truth is out there.
It doesn’t matter what happens between 2008-2012. The economiy is trashed ( many thanks to Frank, Pelosi and Dodd for f8888ing up with Freddie M. and Fannie M.) and Obama will not be able to do anything : there is no money for any programs for a few years: teh economy will take years to restore its strength.
The ‘OTHER’ One: listen closely, are you ready?
‘THAT ONE’ will not win. nuff said.
Bull.
The extremely low voter turnout in Ohio over a week ago (in spite of the new voting laws there designed to favor Obama) is a serious indication that these last few weeks will be the LAST you morons will ever see of Obama in the spotlight. So savor them.
It’s all downhill for Obama from here.
Excellent observations!
You win the hourly free large bucket of hot buttered popcorn, a value of 50 Quatloos!
This Opampers inevitability BS is getting old. Although it is lulling the trolls into a false sense of security as well. It might be hurting them more than helping.
Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion
Proprietor, the NQ Popcorn Concession
Since circa 2008
Did you all hear the idiot’s new excuse, “I thought he was rehabilitated”
What kind of genius statement is that anyway?
So, if he was rehabilitated, that means he did something wrong? It implies The One knew what it was? Or just assumed a teeny tiny minor transgression?
Rehabilitation: You go to a 10-step program, get a pin, and keep on going to meetings, and that’s a recovering terrorist?
Rehabilitated and then he stand on top of our honorable precious flag with his dirty stinking communist feet.
Obama did not showed BAD JUDGMENT. Obama show the worse judgment anyone can have – to associate with a known enemy of the United States.
I thought he did not know anything about Ayres past so how the hell could he think he was rehabilitated, rehabilitated from what drugs???
His camp has been all over the TV saying Obama knew nothing about this man, no past, no history hell he did not even know who threw his political party for him he just went to Ayres house, now there is a slight change in story.
How can the media just sit by and know this man is lying to this nation and cover up for him, looks like there are a whole lot of dam terrorist controlling the media that want this man in office, the media must really have a master plan for this country with Obama at the head.
Not sure if this has been posted before but here’s a view of Saul Alinsky, who believed that the end justified the means. Obama learned and taught Alinsky’s methods for community organizing. You can definitely see the elements in Obama’s campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFa6SmWnbc
Dee
Thanks for this video.
Also, here are some articles re: Alinsky
http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway
http://infed.org/thinkers/alinsky.htm
The nyts polishes the turd:
Mr. McCain’s reference to Mr. Ayers’ desire to bomb more was from an article that was by chance published on Sept. 11, 2001, when The New York Times wrote about Mr. Ayers and his just-published memoir, “Fugitive Days.” The article opened with a quotation from the author: ”I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Three days later, Mr. Ayers wrote on his Web site that the meaning of his clarified remarks had been distorted.
Most of the bombs the Weathermen were blamed for were meant to do only property damage, but a 1970 pipe bomb in San Francisco attributed to the group killed one police officer and severely hurt another.
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/mccain-questions-obama-ayers-relationship/
The nyts doesn’t bother trying to deny obama’s relationship with ayers they take the ‘he wasn’t so bad’ approach. But how does one misinterpret ayers saying “I don’t regret setting bombs” ? How many possible ways can one interpret that? Anyway the nyts helpfully tells us when ayers was setting bombs meant to terrorize Americans he only wanted to damage property. Fair enough. Let’s blame the two cops for getting the way of ayers explosion. There see. That poor misunderstood terrorist bomber isn’t so bad after all.
DRUDGE REPORT:
WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq… Developing…
thought this was reported upon already…is there any new info?
Wasn’t this already reported in the NY Post re: his interference on his Obamapalooza tour?
Yes that was already reported, but what the hell. Drudge is trying to lift repub spirits. He hasn’t posted a Gallup poll in a long time. I guess the high Obama poll numbers are too much for him.
Could very well be new info with more corroborating evidence of his violation of the logan act.
Witnesses, that’s what’s needed.
Hope they have new info. If they do, it would be even more powerful than a Birth Certificate. It would prove that he will do anything to win even if it’s not in the best interest of the country.
People need to really see him for what he’s worth.
NOTHING!
LJ:
Great post and right on!!. It’s nice you quoting the Talmud precisely on this day of Yom Kippur….
Larry: how can it be that with all we kow the DNC has ALLOWED Obama become their nominee? I just cannot get around this anymore than Obama becomeing POTUS.
The DNC choosing him to be the nominee equated to giving him the nod despite all this and thus telling teh American people there was nothing wrong with it.
It is surrealist.
correction: kow —-> know
Because the people in power wanted the Democratic Party to be the New Party instead? And since their third party couldn’t get traction, their option was to take over one of the ones that already existed and use it to advance their agenda?
This is what happened in WA State. The Religious Right whack jobs when party shopping in the early 80s and decided they could take over the Republican party.
Suddenly a whole lot of moderate and liberal Republicans were left without a party — many migrated to the Democrat Party.
The extreme right in WA State are now part of the Constitution Party and the Republican Party might be making a come back.
Which means that the old Democratic Party might make a come back in a decade or two or three.
Right now the Democratic Party is DEAD — it has been stolen from 18 million voters. We actually did vote for the winner — but the DNC decided that their candidate was the winner — no matter what.
Yes, they did. And they are part of the corrupt Washington scene.
They are so enmeshed.
People don’t know what to do. Lashing out?
yes.
Really, the solution is very simple, though not easy.
Just start telling the truth.
Andy-
I agree with all your comments.
Larry-
EXCELLENT article-well researched, well documented, very informative. Thank you.
We see the Obama camp wildly waving its victory flags and sending up its enormous fireworks. And while they are wallowing in yet another display of premature celebration, there are the winds of rumor. The raging fear around the collapse of international markets. The stark reality that after two years of Democratic control of our congress we are virtually a nation on the verge of bankruptcy. The dawning light that behind Barack Obama is a web of intrigue peopled with the aging leadership of radical terrorists who shook our world more than 30 years ago and are returning under Obama’s coat tails. They emerge from the shadows of the past to threaten our social fabric and our economic foundations with the avowed purpose of ending our capitalistic system and changing this nation in every fundamental way possible.
Well isn’t that special.
Utterly unreal.
HE ALREADY HAS HIS PRESIDENTIAL SEAL
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HE HAS HIS 200 THOUSAND GOOSESTEPPING GERMANS
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HE BUILT HIS TEMPLE: The BARACKOPOLIS
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HE MINTED HIS EMPEROR OBAMA COIN
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HE EVEN HAS CHILDREN SINGING HIS PRAISES
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IF THE OBAMA WANTS TO CLOSE THE DEAL HERE IS WHAT BARRY NEEDS TO DO BEFORE ELECTION DAY:
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GET JUDGE JUDY TO SWEAR HIM IN AS PRESIDENT DURING HIS HALF HOUR INFOMERCIAL THAT HE JUST BOUGHT FOR 5 NIGHTS BEFORE THE ELECTION!
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THEN MAYBE AFTER HE SAYS “I, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR…
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MAYBE HIS COMMANDO YOUTH SQUAD CAN PERFORM A 21 GUN SALUTE
Seriously, my imagination will NOT let me visualize this happening on the steps of the U. S. Capitol with his gleeful pal Bill Ayers returning to the scene of the crime.
Makes me ill to think of the prospect.
God, I dont see how anyone in his/her right mind would support this fraud.
Has anyone figured out yet what the losses of trillions of dollars is going to mean to state and federal tax receipts for this year which will fund (or rather not fund) the 08-09 fiscal year?
obama was asked that in the last debate. He said the giant debt won’t change his plans one bit. Of course that’s a giant wagon load of crap but since the “liberal media” won’t follow up on it The Precious can say any damn thing he wants to.
The Department of Education will be all but closed down.
The Dep. of Labor will be cut by half.
NASA will be cut by half.
The Mexico/USA fence will not be completed.
Many Federal Agencies and programs will be cut and reduced to the minimum.
I frankly think the ACORN story is much more potent. ACORN is linked directly to the subprime mortgage mess, which is #1 on the voters’ minds. The fraud on the voting registration is clear. Obama has paid $800,000 this year to ACORN, which conveniently just happened to be misreported to the FEC. Obama has direct and long-standing links to ACORN — he advised them, represented them, taught then. And wonderfully there was the dust-up over Obama’s community organizing past.
Liar. As he was in the beginning as he was in the end and as he will always be.
The Liar. Alpha Omega
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Check out these jouranlists
http://thenewagenda.net/2008/10/07/secure-men-dont-attack-women-but-insecure-adolescents-do/#comment-1077
Fucking cavemen. Seriously. I’d love to see those two charicaturized (sp. wtf cares?) with their big T-Rex femurs dragging a chick along by the head of her hair…oh, we already saw that.
Now they wear burqas, circa 650 a.d. Coming soon to a ‘hood near you.
BTW … big deal about Bill Ayres ~ it’s all about Michelle Robinson and Berardine Dorhn, the ones that rock the Marxist cradle, carrying their big purses* and dragging along their geeks by their teeny balls…
*purses: the ONE with a boatload of purple lipstick to dress up the pig in a pinch.
(ADMIN: I don’t blame you for putting me in the corner with my chewing gum on my nose – but this is nucking futz).
On topic: LIARS/SWINDLERS
Where is Evelyn Pringle?
I knew that “Ambassador Anneberg worked for Reagan” stuff was an Obama talking point the first time I heard it from that weird Allen Colmes. It infers that the Ambassador approved of the final use Obama and Ayres put to the challenge money.
I would like to know the wording of Ayers proposal to the Annenberg Challenge. And I would like to know about other winning proposals and outcomes in other states.
Betty-
Me too.
What was the objective/mission of the Chicago Annenberg foundation and did the program meet it’s mission?
A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y…
I can answer this; I’ve read the analysis of the Ayers/Obama “school reform.”
The money mostly went to private charter schools approved by Ayers, promoting social changes and “revolution.” (Hugo Chavez PRAISED Ayers, and Ayers PRAISED Hugo Chavez’s educational programs).
The after-the-fact analysis, however, showed that the students in those Ayers/Obama charter schools had NOT improved their basic skills in reading or math any more than the public schools had. The students came out with more “self-esteem,” in terms of what the curriculum taught them the “government” owed them, but…..
Their reading and math skills were no better than public schools.
In essence, the $100 million was completely wasted, and the program was a failure.
But Barak Obama’s political career in Chicago was enhanced by being able to put the Annenberg Challenge on his resume.
The improvement of student skills by being in smaller schools?
A TOTAL FAILURE.
Did we just get hit by a bot overload or denial of service plant?
Some anti-Obama sites apparently got hacked this evening, ObamaCrimes.com was one of them.
BO’s relationship with William (Bill) Ayers does, indeed, matter because it raises serious questions about BO’s character, core beliefs, judgment and honesty, as well as his allegiance to this country and his fitness to serve as its commander in chief. As Larry’s article indicates, BO lied about the Ayers relationship when first asked about it in one of his debates with Sen. Clinton during the primary. At that time, BO said he knew Ayers as ‘just another guy in the neighborhood.’ Today, BO continues to lie about it, as he, his chief strategist and other campaign spokespersons ridiculously claim BO was unaware of Ayers’ radical past and beliefs even in 1995 when Obama did launch his political career at Ayers’ Chicago home.
That same year, in fact, in a published interview, Ayers described his political beliefs: “I am a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist …The ethics of Communism still appeal to me…” Ayers has often been publicly described as a national leader and a chief theoretician of the Weathermen. Among the Weathermen’s founding principles: ‘a call for revolutionary war against the U.S. government and the capitalist system; a white fighting force to be allied with the Black Liberation Movement and other anti-colonial movements for achievement of…world communism.’ As members of the Weathermen, Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn helped bomb the U.S. Capitol, State Department and Pentagon. During such bombings, people were killed. Ayers/Dorhn were never held accountable, and never expressed regret or remorse.
BO’s relationship with Ayers has been close and long-term, stretching from as early as 1983 (when both were attending Columbia U. in NYC, working with the same faculty mentor and living within walking distance of each other) through the present. That relationship includes:
–1987 when BO was working as a ‘community organizer’ for the Alinsky-style Developing Communities Project (DCP) and Ayers was a new assistant professor of education at the U. of Ill. Chicago Circle Campus, involved politically with the public schools crisis and looking to DCP as an ally.
–1988 when Ayers solicited Khalid al-Mansour to raise money for BO’s Harvard education. (Mansour, a Black Muslim (NOI), was a mentor to Black Panther Party founders and advisor to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, one of the world’s richest men.)
–1989 when Ayers and his father Tom Ayers (very prominent Chicago businessman and former head of Commonwealth Edison) got Obama a job at Sidley Austin law firm, where Michelle was already working, as was Ayers’ wife Bernadine Dohrn, who apparently had been hired as a favor to Tom Ayers.
–1993 when Bill Ayers placed BO on the Chicago Woods Foundation.
–1995 when Bill Ayers made BO chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge through year 2000.
–1995 when Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn hosted the launch of Obama’s political career at their Chicago home.
–1997 when MO, who was then Assoc. Dean of Student Services and Director of the Community Service Center (CSC) at U. of Chicago, invited Bill Ayers and her husband, BO, then a senior lecturer in the University’s Law School, to speak at a University-sponsored juvenile justice panel at the CSC.
–1997 when BO prepared a book blurb for Ayers’ book.
–2002 when Ayers and BO again appeared together on a panel regarding ‘intellectualism,’ co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.
–2007 and 2008, as the structure of BO’s presidential campaign increasingly resembles an Ayers-designed national “community organizer matrix” as also espoused by ACORN, tactics in which BO was trained and trained others in his earlier years.
–2008 when BO told a national TV audience that he was “six years old” when Ayers bombed federal buildings, and that Ayers was “just another guy in the neighborhood.”
–2008 when Ayers continues as a professor in the College of Education at the U. of Chicago.
If BO’s relationship with Ayers doesn’t matter, as BO wants us to believe, why then are BO, his chief strategist and his spokespersons trying so desperately to cover it up by lying about it? The fact that BO lied about his relationship with Ayers also raises the obvious and even broader question about whether BO also has lied about other questionable relationships (Raila Odinga, Tony Rezko, Nadhmi Auchi, Khalid al-Mansour, Rashid and Mona Khalidi, et al). If Rev. Wright’s incendiary views, as expressed in his sermons, had not been made public, would BO also have tried to lie about and cover up his 20-year attendance of and financial support for Wright and his church? If Wright’s views had not been made public, would BO still be a member of Wright’s church? If the media had not gotten involved in making public the videos of Wright’s sermons, would BO ultimately have gotten away with lying about and covering up his close, long-term relationship with Wright? Does BO’s relationship with Ayers matter? Yes, and the media should stop asking that ridiculous question and start reporting the truth.
Obama just flat-out lied to Politico. He said he met Ayers while working on the Annenberg Challenge. A few days ago his spokesman said that he met Ayers for the first time at the fundraiser at his house in 1995 (which came after Ayers hired him for the Annenberg Challenge). Both are lies. Let’s just look at how insane his last 2 previous “first meeting-dates” dates are based on known facts.
Ayers hired Obama to be the director/chairmen of the Annenberg Challenge and dispense over $100 mm. He made him chairman in 1995 BEFORE he had the fundraiser for Obama at his house in 1995. So his first assertion from a few days ago is an obvious lie. Now, Obama (to Politico) is saying that he met him while working for the Annenberg Challenege…this is NUTS. How would Ayers be able to hire a basic nobody (experience wise) to head such an auspicious endeavor without having even met him yet? Of course he met him before he was hired for the job and had the fundraiser. Why Obama is making such a blatant lie to Politico is beyond me.
Also with Ayer’s wife working at the same small law firm with Michelle Obama (and with Barack in the summer of 1989) does anybody credibbly think that Barack had never met Ayers during that whole time?
Trying to take out NQ is big on the get a gold star list for obots.
Weird Alan Colmes made a closing reference tonight that maybe Obamarama being the representing lawyer over something…I forget what…bull, anyway…
but not only is AC wierd, he’s stupid.
The Obama’s smartly pulled their licenses to practice quite sometime ago so they wouldn’t have to LIE on their applications. I think their licenses lapsed without renewal or something.
~ You have to give your real surname and not some alias that currently serves your purpose. Just a little technicality. Probably thought it best to let the presidential election blow over before reapplying.
There is an extremely interesting piece at American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html
suggesting that Ayers was the true author of Dreams of My Father. Please read this–it is much more convincing that you might suspect.
Misfit-
Thank you so much for this link.
This is absolutely incredible.
THIS NEEDS TO GET OUT QUICKLY.
If what this author is saying is true…
Then this makes it three in a row (I think) that Oprah has been bamboozled by so called authors.
If the article’s author is correct and Bill Ayers was the one who really wrote Sen Obama’s book(s) then this is catastrophic for Sen Obama’s run for the presidency.
From Barack Obama, a Harvard law school graduate and the would-be President of the United States in answer to his association with Weather Underground founder, Bill Ayres: “I thought he had been rehabilitated.” Obama isn’t a very good liar. Wasn’t yesterday’s explanation for their “none-relationship” that Obama didn’t even know who the guy was? Now he says he did, but he thought he’d been rehabilitated. Of course, being a lawyer, you would think Obama knows that criminals get rehabilitated, supposedly, in prison. Ayres never served time for his murders and maimings, let off on a legal technicality.
Come on, folks. Don’t make excuses for Obama, like you did for George Tush. Everyone knew he was inexperienced, but they voted for him anyway because he was personable.
Every time America turns its cheek to the flaws of its candidates, it has been those flaws that come back to bite America and, has now got us on our ass. I’m sorry, but I’m just saying that before you sign on the touchtone screen for Obama, you need to take a real, deep look at the guy. The media needs to dig down and get to the truth of all these dirty associations of Obama’s before it’s too late.
See: The Murderer and the Would-Be President
The CJ Political Report dot com
There is an extremely interesting piece at American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html
suggesting that Ayers was the true author of Dreams of My Father. Please read this–it is much more convincing than you might suspect.
Holy mackerel misfit! I’m convinced! this is a must read……. makes perfect sense…the pieces all fit!
Yes its a highly disturbing piece that everyone should read.
Ayers…created the Mansourian Candidate!
Yes he did……. I thought the same thing. Very chilling!
IS OBAMA DEPRESSING THE MARKET?
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/7/after-the-bailout-is-obama-depressing-the-market.html
What we all need to see. The Annenberg Challenge required applicants to lay out their vision, goals and objectives for school reform/restructuring. CAN YOU POST THAT PART OF THE AYRES APPLICATION FOR US???? I am sure that is does not say the purpose was to politically radicalize students but I am sure it does say other things that perhaps add up to that. The grant requirements also had applicants detail the fundamental processes for implementing their grant proposal. I know Kurtz has been studying all this so I think it would be interesting to see it—what was proposed and then how did it actually unfold. Who were the community organizations who received grant funds; what did they do in implementing the grant? My experience has been that a lot of local minority “leaders” get good jobs along with their family members and friends. They set up store front centers for their organizational operations and as a place to provide “services”. Their services are superficial and intermittent and they keep poor records. There is little or no accountability for achieving any student learning outcomes—they count coup by counting “contacts” and inputs to a process, not real results with students.
I will take it a step further Larry. It is his alliance that is questionable. He chooses to associate with these people.
Participation is critical, but it is very difficult to ascertain the amount of participation when so many misrepresent.
I believe that he has always been deeply involved with many of these questionable associations.
When gibbs refers to the ny times to show that obama was not close to ayers it reminds me of when dick cheney quoted the ny times story the republicans told the ny times to support going to war.
Why didnt john roberts ask how the ny times confirmed that obama was not close to ayers….nevermind!
PUMA
I’ve read someone’s theory about Obama’s biographies — namely, that they were authored by Ayers. The person putting forth this theory (they called it a theory) pointed to these facts:
Aside from his two books, Obama has never authored anything except for two terrible poems at Occidental College, which were published in the school’s poetry journal. They were BAD…something about an ape breaking a vase in a grotto. It was only about 6 lines long and was stupid.
He has never published anything law related.
When he was finishing with Harvard, a publisher approached him with the idea of writing a biography. She got him a $125,000 advance. One year later, he had not produced a page. He told the publishers he was having a hard time focusing. So he and Michelle went to Bali for some time to work on the book. (What a hard life they’ve had.) He got another $40,000 advance, still without producing anything.
Then, suddenly, he had something.
Apparently, the person putting forth this theory has read books by Bill Ayers and found many phrases and expressions common in Ayers’ and Obama’s books. Ayers’ books were written first; and, when listening to Ayers speak, his spoken style matches his written style and vocabulary. Whereas, Obama (without a teleprompter) does not sound at all like parts of his books.
I wonder how this can be researched. Is there any software that can compare two texts to see what the likelihood of them being authored by the same person is?
they’re working on it at free republic.
Dick Morris on Fox brought up an even more controversial aspect of the Ayers-Obama collaboration: That Obama, in disbursing the Annenberg funds for education, disbursed them in accordance with Bill Ayers philosophy of education–to teach the young students the foundation for radicalism as defined in the fund’s mission statement. Thus, the funds were disbursed to “external partners” in education, not to the schools. These were basically community organizations (including ACORN) that were involved in mobilizing the young.
I think a look into Bill Ayer’s educational philosophy will demonstrate even more the extent to which Obama subscribed to his ideas.
The fact that Obama and his campaign continue to obfuscate on this matter makes one conclude that perhaps this is indeed a can of worms they would rather keep the lid on.
We should therefore continue to DIG, DIG, DIG.
Absolutely. Moreover, the money spent did nothing for the students. Complete waste.
Have ya’ll see the two new ads up now at by the fault?
One is by the RNC titled “The Chicago Way” – nails barky on a bunch of his friends.
The other is a really positive McCain ad called “Stand” and it’s a different young people saying why they stand with John McCain.
Anyway, check ‘em out at http://www.bythefault.com/
SARACUDA W00T!!
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McCain should also demand that Barack Hussein Obama release his birth certificate and health records just like he did. Pres. Bush has the duty to instruct the FBI to look into Obama’s birth records. It is the presidents duty to protect the constitution from such a blatant violation.
Headline at Yahoo: speculation is building that Sarah Palin will appear on SNL – nothing confirmed yet.
Hope she does it – she’ll be a HUGE hit!
Bravo Larry for another great post!
You all at NQ do an amazing job of putting together information and commentary that is timely, insightful, provacative and well researched. (Everything that the MSM no longer is or does.)
Thanks NQ for giving hope to and being an outlet for the thinking masses.
The Obamabots have jammed up savagepolitics.com and I can’t post there BUT…I wanted to let you all know that google has a ten year anniversary link which gives results from 2001. Makes it VERY easy to look up zerObama articles from pre-presidential elections!
Like this one stating he was a member of the “New Party” (Socialists) in the state senate election.
Happy googling!
http://web.archive.org/web/20010724081433/www.populist.com/11.96.Edit.html
“New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George’s County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20010127032300/news.crosswalk.com/politics/item/0,1875,317134,00.htm
Illinois Considers ‘Oral Instructions’ For Confused Voters
January 22, 2001
Gene J. Koprowski, Correspondent
Chicago (CNSNews.com) – A Illinois state Senator is proposing to cure the alleged problem of “overvotes” and “undervotes” for political candidates on election day – an issued hyped relentlessly in Florida during the 2000 presidential election – by letting local precinct workers here to give oral instructions to confused voters.
But local conservatives see the legislation as reactionary and characterize it as a throwback to the “bad old days” of ward politics, where party operatives manipulated and intimidated local voters, leading, it is speculated, to Richard Nixon’s loss of Illinois in the 1960 presidential election.
Though not reported widely in the national press, there were approximately 120,000 so-called “undervotes” in Cook County, Illinois, according to Sen. Barak Obama (D-Chicago), sponsor of the voting legislation, Senate Bill 33.
Most of the undervotes allegedly happened in jurisdictions within the city of Chicago – the hometown of Al Gore’s presidential campaign operative Bill Daley – that are predominantly black and Hispanic in population.
The undervotes in Cook County, moreover, were many times higher than the 10,000 votes that Gore lawyer David Boies alleged were “never counted” in Florida.
Obama said that his “simple proposal” would enable precinct workers to provide “oral instructions” to voters who fear that they may have made an error when punching a ballot.
“There are a lot of people who make these voting errors, are aware of the mistake, but don’t know what to do about it,” says Obama. “This will be a useful reminder for the voters. The election judges will, if this is passed, be able to inform voters that they can obtain a new ballot.”
But Joseph A. Morris, a prominent local conservative, president of the Lincoln Legal Foundation, and a former Reagan administration lawyer, was concerned that the legislation might actually facilitate voter fraud in Chicago.
“The goal should be to eliminate voter fraud, not enhance it,” says Morris. “This bill is a throwback to the bad old days of ward politics in Chicago. Precinct workers used to step into the voting booths and ‘correct’ ballots for voters. The possibility of someone reviving that practice is frightening.”
Morris, though, wonders whether the bill has any likely chance of success in the state legislature in Springfield. He believes that the local Democratic political machine wants the undervoting to continue, so it can maintain its grip on local politics.
More from above link – 2001:
There were other problems with the vote in Chicago this past presidential election in addition to the allegations publicized by Sen. Obama, according to research conducted through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by the Family Taxpayers Network, a conservative group.
The research shows that in 10 precincts here there were actually more votes cast for President than there were registered voters. For example, the FTN’s research shows that in the 1st Precinct of the 25th Ward, there were 576 registered voters. But there were 1063 ballots cast. Gore received 748 of those votes, while Bush earned just 174.
SEE THIS from pumapac:
azpuma on 10.09.08 at 10:22 pm I just thought I’d share this with my Puma friends. I lurk on a Reggio Emilia (a philosophy of early childhood education) listserv. This group normally has very intelligent conversations about schools and classrooms that use this philosophy and ways to create more good for the children.
I was most disturbed, when one of the members of this listsev, who is a leader in this community, brought up Bill Ayers and the things that are being said about him. It seems she and some other people on this listserve feel that although he has engaged in “immoral” behaviors in the past he is currently doing a great deal of good for education. (I almost want to throw up as I type this)
They are encouraging educators to sign a petition supporting Bill Ayers (http://www.supportbillayers.org/). It is interesting that the fifth signer of this petition is Rashid Khalidi. The entire petition, at least the way, I read it is a white washing of his terrorist activities.
Anyone got any ideas of what we can do about this?
Good summary of the fishy answers. I just read McCain’s discussion of this issue with Gibson. I so agree with him that the issue isn’t, “has-been terrorists,” the issue is lack of candor with the public.
We deserve better.
I was over at Drudge reading about the Obama plane not being as nice as McCain’ plane and that the Obama people were not as helpful either. This was posted in the remarks by one of their readers. It thought it was as interesting as the article.
So members of the Calhoun County Sheriff’’s Department, MSP, and other local
agencies inside Calhoun County are working with Secret Service in the
security of Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama’’s bus arrives in Battle Creek and pulls
into the stadium area. Before Mr. Obama exits the bus, he has the Secret
Service get off and tell all Law Enforcement personnel in uniform that they
now have to stand behind the bus so Mr. Obama is not seen with anyone in a
Law Enforcement uniform before he gets off or while in the public view. So,
everyone from MSP, Sheriff’’s Dept., and other agencies looks at each other
for a brief second, goes and stands behind the bus out of sight so Mr. Obama
does not have to see, or been seen with, what to him is ”undesirables” since
he refuses to been seen or even acknowledge Military or Law Enforcement.
Just food for thought leading up to November 4th.
Michigan Tactical Officer’’s Association
Executive Board Member
Training Committee
Note – I took off the person’s name that was posted on this reply – Wasn’t sure if I should post that or not.
Shocked, but not surprised. More proof that everything we’ve been finding out about him here at NQ is true.
So, what was the excuse he gave for not meeting with the troops on his overseaspalooza?
And what about the so-called media? They’ve been with him every single day for a couple years now – have seen this behavior every single day for a couple years – crickets…
Barky refuses to be pictured with Law Enforcement, the Military and the Gays.
What about Sarah Palin’s association with the American Independence Party? The group’s stated goal is to secede from the United States — a treasonous offense. Todd Palin was a member of this party, and Sarah Palin attended at least two of their conventions and — whoops! — spoke to their convention as recently as this past Summer. The founder of the party, the late Joe Voegler, once condemned the American flag. Where are the questions about whether Palin loves the American flag?
What about Sarah Palin’s association with the witch doctor, Pastor Muthee, who blessed Palin at her church and prayed for her “finances”? Does Sarah Palin believe in witches? Does Sarah Palin support witch hunts? Does she know who Cotton Mather was?
What about Sarah Palin’s association with indicted Senator Ted “Tubes” Stevens, whose 527 organization was run by Sarah Palin?
Then there’s Senator McCain.
What about Senator McCain’s association with convicted Watergate burglar G. Gordon Liddy? This is the guy who, on the public airwaves, instructed his viewers about how to kill a federal agent. This is the guy who boasted that he fired a handgun at a cardboard standee of Senator Hillary Clinton. Yet Senator McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show numerous times since these statements — as recently as May, 2008.
What about Senator McCain’s relationship with pastor Rod Parsley, who wants to engage in religious warfare?
What about Senator McCain’s relationship with anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee?
Should I go on?
What about Senator McCain’s relationship with his chief campaign advisor Charlie Black who said a terrorist attack would help the campaign?
What about Senator McCain’s association with Shelley Shannon who is accused of shooting and wounding an abortion doctor?
What about Senator McCain’s association with Charles Keating? What about his association with Freddie Mac lobbyist Rick Davis — you know, John McCain’s campaign manager? What about his association with the U.S. Council for World Freedom, whose board also included a Nazi sympathizer?
Many of the issues were explored by legitimate journalists and debunked.
But she’s been asked.
And she will answer.
Will she lie? No.
Obama lied to you. There’s a difference between spinning and flat-out lying.
He flat-out lied.
Why does that seem OK to you? We’re in a horrible crisis where truth may be the only thing we have to hang onto. How can we believe him now?
Some how you believe a list is a refutation?!?! LOL!
You mention Keating…
The other 4 were Democrats, and it was a Democrat who cleared McCain of wrong doing, i.e. exonerated.
We could take this point by point, but first you need to learn to forward an actual argument.
I just learned something ….On the Rusty Humphries show tonite, he had a guest named Cashill that does somework for WND and he said that BO’s first book in 1990 that OBLOWME got 125k as an advance and the book was due in 1 Year…..
Well Oblowme didnt get the book done and had to pay back all or most of the advance….
Along comes Bill Ayers and he arranges a second publisher to give BO a chance and BO gets a smaller advance from them…..And miraculously he gets the book done….Now Cashill believes Ayers wrote the book or contributed to it because Cashill claims the language is the same between Ayers book and BOs book…..
Now if oblowme couldnt get a book done by himself in one year, How could he get it done so fast with the new publisher?
And in 1990 when this book came out, this is the year BO got hired to work for Ayers at CAC……
BO is AYERS, Ayers the white boy, picks up the BO man who cant do anything, washes him up, indoctrinates him ; helps him make some money, lives next to the guy, and whammo, Ayers creates his final accomplishment….His Manchurian Candidate……
BO is Ayers trained and educated…A clone….
I have yet to hear a clear, basic explanation of why Obama’s association with Ayers is some terrifying black mark on his ability to govern, but McCain’s association with G Gordon Liddy — another 70s radical and convicted felon who advocated assassination and who hosted a fundraiser for McCain, has donated $5000 to McCain over the years, and whom McCain recently said he was “proud of” — is meaningless and benign.
Also, Obama is hardly the only one to associate with Ayers. what is your view of Walter Annenberg, the Reagan accolyte who gave Ayers the grant in his Challenge? What about the other members of the boards Ayers served on? His colleagues at U of I?
The point is, this guilt-by-association game is idiotic and could go on forever. The reason is hasn’t caught on is because people are worried about their mortgages and 401k’s, not the Weather Underground.
The point is that there is an underlying ideology that ALL of Obama’s friends share. Moreover, Obama consistently PREVARICATES about those relationships. He is inconsistent and evasive.
It is NOT a guilt by association argument (though, given that the MAJORITY of his “friends” are questionable is “interesting”), but, rather that he is a perniciously, mendacious fuck who is incapable of being candid.
The difference between Mc and O is that where O says “I will…”, Mc says “I have… AND I will…”
It must be difficult for O to run as a “Democrat” when the nominally Republican candidate is running to the left of you (HOLC), actually is a reformer and moderate, AND by virtue of having picked a more traditional conservative can keep his party energized. After 8 years of Bush, the Democrats should be FAR ahead, but they aren’t. That in and of its self is quite a feat.
He lied. Doesn’t that bother you at all? Do you just think it’s OK for politicians to lie when directly asked?
*sigh*
did you support Hillary? If you did support her, did you stop supporter her after it was revealed and she admitted that she lied about the Bosnia trip?
Yes, but the key was she admitted the lie.
She suffered through the personal embarassment of being caught in a true ‘ego’ moment.
This is bigger.
Obama hasn’t yet admitted he lied.
Hillary didn’t lie about Bosnia. A twelve year old memory got stretched but that different then a lie. And she did make right on it.
Well, I think “lied” is the latest hot word. BUT……it was a huge slip that showed Hillary has an ego.
She got carried away, let us say.
I don’t think, never did, that it was nearly as significant as the media made it out to be.
Their hypocricy is now evident.
And the public outrage is also evident.
The Palin crowds are now attacking the media.
WITH GOOD REASON.
We’re fed up.
people make mistakes. Hillary owned and corrected hers. She didn’t try to go with the Bush/BOBO continued line of spin to weasel herself out of it.
bss:
Liddy was a 70s radical?
What the hell are you talking about?
He was in the FBI from 1957 to 1962. Then he was a NY State Prosecutor until he went to work for the Nixon Administration. He later served time for the Watergate break-in scandal.
He didn’t bomb the Pentagon and maim innocent people like Ayers brags about.
So Liddy is an upstanding citizen who stole a little something from some watergate building, but that’s it?
Part of the charges against him involved his plots to murder people. He got out of prison when he did only because Carter pardoned him, to help the country move on from that era. He has never recanted for what he did and called his incarceration a “prisoner of war.”
Here’s a summary:
“Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.”
If you want to argue that Liddy’s history is less controversial or offensive to many people than Ayers’ be my guest. I and many others will never agree with that.
Ok, so McCain calling felon and assassination advocate G. Gordon Liddy a “good friend” and someone he’s “proud of” and accepting $5000 in donations from him is not a problem because Obama is a “pernicious fuck.” Got it.
Why do YOU think that although this Ayers “story” has been out there for 6 months, it hasn’t caught on with voters? In other words, no one seems to see it as vital besides hard-core McCain supporters?
As a practical matter, shouldn’t McCain be focused on swaying voters in the middle and converting Obama supporters, rather than just firing up those already in his camp?
I don’t think McCain should try to convert Obama supporters…..there are professionals who work with cultists, you can’t expect McCain to do that. I think McCain is swaying voters in the middle. It is afterall, the independents who usually decide elections.
Again, he lied to you. Think about this.
You were outraged because of Bush’s lies, right?
You are being given absolute evidence you are backing a liar…
Why?
1) You don’t even address the argument. It is about HOW Obama conducted himself regarding these “revelations”.
2) Obama has run his campaign as NOT being about experience, but being about judgement. His own associations undermine HI argument.
3) I don’t even defend McCain. You assume that I do.
Take some mathematics course (I’d advise something like analysis), because your critical thinking “skills” leave something to be desired.
I might note that McCain ought to be focused on undecideds. There is MORE likelihood that he would sway one of them as opposed to someone who is supporting Obama. Given that, I provided reasons why he has appeal in that regard.
That Obama can NOT close the deal in an election where a Democrat should be WAY ahead by now is evidence of what a poor candidate he is.
addendum:
You, bss, quote me having written, “pernicious fuck”, when in fact I wrote, “perniciously, medacious fuck”.
The word ‘mendacious’ sums up what exactly my point is. The adverb ‘perniciously’ is modifying the word ‘mendacious’.
There are several article sonline about how the Chicago papers ran stories about Ayers past in 1996.
Because — as Chicago got ready for the 1996 convention, the papers reported about the 1968 convention protest and also talked about Ayers and even interviewed him. QUOTE:
I guess Obama didn’t read his city newspapers that day. Just like he wasn’t in church on ANY day that Rev. Wright let loose with an anti USA rant.
Bull.
I found an article the other night but lost the link. One guy said that whenever you were at a local gathering with Ayers -he loved to talk about his days bombing with the Weathermen.
His “stupidity” excuse isn’t remotely credible.
Well, Obama’s support is now, according to Gallup, at 52%. If he doesn’t sway some of these people, how mathematically can he win?
what do the other polls say?
Gallup said Kerry was going to win, too, bss.
How’d that work out for ya?
It works out for me that Bush was able to convert some Kerry supporters during the final weeks, something you claimed McCain does not have to do. Somehow McCain can overcome a 5 – 12% defecit without converting a SINGLE Obama supporter, according to you.
It has nothing to do with who I support — it’s a questions of statistics and tactics. The all-Ayers tactic isn’t working and time is running out.
Mr. Johnson, Thank you for posting this wonderful video.
Indifference. There is that word again.
Obama desires the one thing he can not have.
And never will.
What do you think should happen to the administration of U of I, who have employed Ayers for years? To those who administered the Annnenberg fund, who gave Ayers the grant?
What is the appropriate reaction people should have who cross paths with Ayers professionally? If they don’t refuse to work with him, are they terrorist sympathizers?
And how is this different from McCain going on G. Gordon Liddy’s show and saying he’s proud of him for upholding american values?
Are you saying that G. Gordon Liddy is as terrible as someone who declared war on the US, went on a campaign of bombing, and exhorted kids to kill their parents?
Are you saying that McCain lied about his association with Liddy and tried to “cover it up”?
The University of Illinois should have never hired Ayers in the first place. Given that the money that went to Ayers for his “education” programs did nothing to improve education, unless denying funds for worthwhile programs is improvement, the grants were a waste. further, it is more probable that the grants were bequeathed for ideological reasons.
Liddy’s history (and remember the turmoil the Watergate breakin put this country through):
Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
bss, your answers belie your inability to recognize the argument. A simple first year logic course would defeat you.
Rather than just throw out insults, explain where you think the logic fails.
When McCain appears on unrepentent felon Liddy’s show in 2007 and says “”I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family… It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”
Why is this of no relevance, but Ayers/Obama is a critical issue?
Full disclosure: I think NONE of this is relevant. I don’t care about these tenuous “associations.” I’m concerned about the war, the economy — you know, the pressing issues of 2008, not the the pressing issues of 1968.
The Annenberg Challenge funds came from Walter Annenberg, a major Reagan supporter. What’s the ideological connection between him and Ayers?
Grant writing is very much like writing corporate annual reports.
It’s fiction, in legalese.
Did Liddy bomb the Pentagon? I must have missed that.
I wouldn’t sit in the same room as William Ayers and if I saw him coming, I’d cross the street.
Oh good gravy……he’s nothing but a “full-of-himself” education professor.
(I’m a snob. They are a dime a dozen.)
I think Ayers is worse than a full-of-himself professor. He’s an egotistical fraud. Back then, he was a rich kid who ran around bombing places & wetting himself over posters of Che because it was cool to do so.
But when he gets caught — he runs to Daddy’s big lawyers who got him off on a technicality.
Check out how rich and powerful the Ayers family is — for generations.
These privileged “radicals” always made me sick. For them it was chic to be anti-establishment but they were supported by their establishment family fortunes.
Agree completely, Susan.
Rich, spoiled white guy plays anti-establishment radical in the 60’s because that was what COOL, rich white college kids did, then.
But when his own violent choices got him in trouble, he runs to his Daddy’s rich, white, establishment, political connections, with the very best lawyers that his rich Daddy can afford, to get him off on a technicality.
And the rich, white, spoiled college boy LAUGHS about it, after he finds out he doesn’t have to go to prison. The other people he convinced to join him in those activities, who didn’t have a rich daddy to get them good lawyers, DID go to prison, some of them for life.
But little Bill Ayers? He got off scot free.
The only college who might have hired him were Columbia or U of Chicago, because Bill Ayers’s rich, politically connected Daddy called in some favors.
Gimme a frikkin break.
Besides, his Annenberg Challege was a complete failure educationally.
Ironic, that the “anti-establishment” 60’s radical had to use his Daddy’s ESTABLISHMENT connections to avoid prison, isn’t it?
But Daddy didn’t bother to help the people his spoiled son recruited into his criminal activities, did he?
What a fraud.
Based on people I talk to and many comments I’ve read on general non partisan blogs such as ABC News, CBS News, etc. many people are voting for Obama because they truly admire him and his “narrative”. Once they learn the truth about Obama, they will wake up and like many of us will NEVER vote for him.
I feel badly for everyone that has been deceived by Obama’s campaign and the mainstream media. If this can all come out in time before the election I keep hoping this could actually help bring Americans back together again as we join forces and put our country first.
I think that Ayers, as controversial as he may be is just the tip of the iceberg. The bigger scandal is the amount of foreign elements behind the Obama candidacy like the group represented by Khalidi; foreign elements awash with petro dollars invested in American mainstream media. This could explain why any negatives about Obama is conveniently ignored, spun. And why MSM has aggressively promoted his candidacy.
Tomorrow I will be taking a stand with Harriet in Scranton. PUMAs will be heard loud and clear.
What I find to be the most amazing thing about all of the obama apologists in the media is that WE saw this ALL coming so long ago and WE didn’t ignore it.
All of the things that concerned us last January through June have amplified in the past few weeks.
His crimes and lies are so obvious, his methods and schemes so apparent, how can they continue to cover his unworthy ass? How did they not see this coming?
Every negative about him is verified over and over and still they spew his lies as if they are gospel.
Book ‘em Dan-o. NQ has shown their “in the tank” and koolaid drinking delusions daily and vividly and yet they continue to prop up this dangerous fraud.
All those Chicago chickens are coming home to roost.
Way to go! Great post – and it is great to know that people ARE listening.
Just to show us once again how weird politics is: the Washington Post did a “fact check” on the Ayers connection back during the primaries. The author, and several of the commenters, thought the whole thing had probably been cooked up by Hillary as a dirty trick.
Why does the media keep repeating the lie that Obama was 8 years old? He was 10 when the Capitol was bombed, 11 when the Pentagon was bombed, 12 when NY Police Precinct was bombed, 14 when the State Department was bombed and 20 when the Brinks robbery/murder went down. Most of the bombings were in the 70’s. The Brinks robbery/murder in NY was in 1981…the same year Obama attended Columbia. There is no way he wasn’t aware of the Weather Underground when he was living in NY. The Brinks robbery/murder of 3 people, including 2 police officers dominated the headlines in NY for 2 year.
The media is also repeating Obama’s line that Ayers was a “60’s radical protesting the Vietnam War” instead of stating that he was a terrorist as labeled by the FBI. As I said, most of the bombings happened in the 70s not the 60s and many of the Weather Underground’s activities continued AFTER the war was over. Their main objective was to sabatoge the US Government. The war was just an excuse.
Obama wouldn’t even be eligible for a security clearance.
2/13/70 Bombing of Berkeley CA police vehicles
2/16/70 Bombing of Golden Gate Park branch of San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen
3/6/70 Bombing 13th Police District of the Detroit PD. 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, during that period, for the purpose of bombing a police facility
3/6/70 “bomb factory” located in Greenwich Village explodes. WUO members die. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer’s dance at Fort Dix, NJ that night. The bomb was packed with nails TO INFILICT MAXIMUM CASUALTIES UPON DETONATION
3/30/70 Chicago Police discover WUO “bomb factory” on Chicago’s north side. Subsequent discovery of a WUO “weapons cache” in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city
5/10/70 Bombing of The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C.
5/21/70 WUO under Bernardine Dohrn’s name releases its “Declaration of a State of War” communique
6/6/70 WUO sends letter claiming credit for bombing of San Francisco Hall of Justice; however, no explosion actually took place. Months later, workmen in this building located an unexploded device which had been dormant for some time
6/9/70 Bombing of New York City Police Headquarters
7/27/70 Bombing of The Presidio army base in San Francisco.[NYT 7/27/70]
9/12/70 WUO helps Timothy Leary break out and escape from the CA Men’s Colony prison
10/8/70 Bombing of Marin County courthouse [NYT 8/10/70]
10/10/70 Bombing of Queens traffic-court building [NYT 10/10/70]
10/14/70 Bombing of The Harvard Center for International Affairs [NYT 10/14/70]
3/1/71 Bombing of The United States Capitol[NYT 3/2/71]
4/71 abandoned WUO “bomb factory” discovered in San Francisco
8/29/71 Bombing of the Office of California Prisons [LAT 8/29/71]
9/17/71 Bombing of The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, NY [NYT 9/18/71]
10/15/71 Bombing of William Bundy’s office in the MIT research center.[NYT 10/16/71]
5/19/72 Bombing of The Pentagon[NYT, 5/19/72]
5/18/73 Bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in NY
9/28/73 Bombing of ITT headquarters in NY and Rome, Italy .[NYT 9/28/73]
3/6/74 Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare in San Francisco
5/31/74 Bombing of The Office of the CA Attorney General.
6/17/74 Bombing of Gulf Oil’s Pittsburgh headquarters
9/11/74/ Bombing of Anaconda Corporation
1/29/75 Bombing of State Department
6/16/75 Bombing of Banco de Ponce in NY
9/75 Bombing of Kennecott Corporation
10/20/81 Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, NY. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were seriously wounded.
1991 “Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country,” Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowit
Excellent reality check!
pt – excellent comment.
Susan – you should post this.
The time line shows an impressive list of accomplisihments that is being blown off by the MSM. Most voters only have a vague recollition of the when and where and how much was actually done by the weathermen. So its easy for them to get lost in the haze of conflicting stories. pt’s simple timeline of facts does a amazing job of clearing the air and letting the evidence seep in. Even if unconsciously.
I mean really – 24 bombings over 11 years – wow!
Even if that was just some guy in the neighborhood, wouldn’t you seriously think about moving out.
I guess the Ayres thing seems important.
My question is why was Obama having this relationship with Ayres? Was he trying to become a domestic terriorist or something? What was the point of the relationship and why is it now so important?
And doesn’t the same thing apply to Sarah Palin and her connection to the far right extremist groups in Alaska?
Hi all—–
I thought Larry would love this quote I saw last night
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-i-assumed.html
“Ultimately, I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago, but I was eight years old at the time and I assumed that he had been rehabilitated.
“So, you know, the central point this is not somebody who advises my campaign, it’s not somebody who is part of my, you know, inner circle in any way. This is somebody I’ve worked on some projects with, the latest is school reform. And I’ve strongly condemned his actions.
Ayers has a father who is part of the true ruling class, monied multinationalists. That’s who runs our country, that’s who tells deibold to tell us who won the election, that’s who picks the puppet rulers.
The last eight years have not been enough for you. Get used to it. You own this. The perception of the ugly American is overshadowed by the reality of the ugly globalist.
I wonder if the FBI still has Ayers under surveillance? It will be nice for them to share any Obama/Ayers meetings with the American public.
It is odd, that Ayers was not convicted and he may have been a mole to begin with. Who knows.
Ayers just met with president Chavez of Venezuela in 2006. That’s why I believe he may still be watched.
Deep Throat was scapegoated for a break in of Ayers, that evidence was prohibited from court because of it.
He testified with a room full of IC professionals in the audience behind showing up in support of the man’s methods used to deal with the Weather Underground.
One of the items Felt retruned to John Dean was a file from Watergate rungleader Hunt’s safe that detailed the man’s involvement with the assassination of a Viet Namese leader.
That’s right, Nixon’s ratfuckers were a cast of possible CIA moles who were conducting covert items to get us involved in ‘Nam to new levels before and after he was in office.
Anyways, Deep Throat has an extensive personal archive and could shed much light upon the Weather Underground. That is who could put the deeds of Ayers into true perspective.
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Barak Obama’s Muslim outreach adviser is under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with extremist
views, just months after her predecessor resigned for links to a radical cleric.
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Friday, October 10, 2008
Barack Obama’s newly appointed Muslim outreach adviser is coming under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with
extremist views, just two months after her predecessor resigned over links to a radical cleric.
Minha Husaini met with members of several Islamic organizations in Virginia on September 15 — including some that
terrorism experts say have ties to Hamas and the radical Muslim Brotherhood.
Among the attendees were senior members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which was listed by federal
prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terror-related trial.
Several people connected to CAIR have been convicted of felonies — including on terrorism-related charges.
CAIR bills itself as the nation’s largest Muslim civil-rights advocacy group. As recently as last year, it advised the
Transportation Security Administration on sensitivity training regarding Muslim air travelers. Nihad Awad, a CAIR co-
founder and executive director, met with President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11.
But critics say CAIR has a long history of masquerading as a moderate Islamic group.
“These groups, even if they themselves are not active terrorist organizations, do subscribe to large amounts of the
ideology that fuels the terrorism that we are being confronted with,” said Andrew McCarthy, former Assistant U.S.
Attorney.
CAIR did not return repeated calls for comment.
Awad, who was at the September meeting with Husaini, recently attended a dinner with Iranian President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad.
Also present at the Sept. 15 meeting was Mahdi Bray, who has publicly announced his support for the terrorist groups
Hamas and Hezbollah. Bray, the executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, raised his fist
in the air during a rally in Washington in October 2000 to demonstrate his support for the terror groups.
Bray refused to comment on the recent gathering. “It was a closed meeting,” he told FOX News.
Johari Abdul Malik, imam of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Va., also participated in the meeting. During a
conference in Chicago in 2001, he told attendees, “You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are
innocent on their way to work.” In November 2004 he told followers, “You will see Islam move from being the second
largest religion in America — to being the first religion in America.”
Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign would not have sent a representative to the meeting had
it known the list of participants.
“This meeting was not organized by the campaign — our outreach staff attends many meetings in the course of each
day and they accepted an invitation from community leaders to attend,” LaBolt told FOX News in a written statement.
The Obama campaign’s previous Muslim outreach advisor, Mazen Asbahi — who stepped down in August following
reports he was linked to a radical imam — also attended the meeting.
In a brief telephone conversation, Asbahi refused to discuss why he was at the meeting or whom he was representing.
According to LaBolt, “[Asbahi] is not an employee of the campaign and does not speak on behalf of the campaign.”
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