Likely Voters Vs. Registered Voters–Or What’s REALLY Going On in the Polls
By Uppity Woman on October 18, 2008 at 8:10 AM in Barack Obama, Electability
It’s about time pollsters started polling the way they have polled in the past instead of this touchy feely “Let’s Make Obama Look Good” routine we have been witnessing.
I don’t exactly know why pollsters have been giving Obama special treatment for the first time in the history of Presidential polling. But then again, Obama gets special treatment from everybody. It’s time to stop shielding this manchild.
Here is Gallup on Likely Voters, which for some “odd” reason fails to make their headlines. Likely voters are the people who are likely to actually show up at the polls.
The “traditional” likely voter model, which Gallup has employed for past elections, factors in prior voting behavior as well as current voting intention. This has generally shown a closer contest, reflecting the fact that Republicans have typically been more likely to vote than Democrats in previous elections. Today’s results show Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain using this likely voter model, 49% to 47%, this is within the poll’s margin of error. — Frank Newport
Cut the crap Gallup. Start putting the real polls up front instead of the Obama-Specials. We have enough skunks protecting The One in this election already.
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Grail Guardian concludes our 3-part series on “Independent Thinking”
Part 3: Independent Thinking–STRANGE BEDFELLOWS
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/part-3-independent-thinkging-strange-bedfellows/
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As for polling….revisit this post for more insight on what goes on with pollsters…I was interviewed about this piece on Sirius’ Blog Bunker show back in July…updated to include the latest Gallup “method” which is basically playing around with “registered” voters….Who know how they’re weighting these things! Old George Gallup must be rolling over in his grave…this is not HIS Gallup, the one I worked for…
Musings on Pollsters: Confessions of a Former Gallup Study Director…(Updated 2X)
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/musings-on-pollsters-confessions-of-a-former-gallup-study-director/
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Dear Friends:
My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign , Illinois . I’m 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don’t consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat. I don’t believe there are ‘two Americas ‘ - but that every person in this country can be whomever and whatever they want to be if they’ll just work to get there - and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.
The purpose of this message is that I’m concerned about the future of this great nation. I’m worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people in this country have been passive for too long. Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called ‘news’, thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can’t understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork barrel spending
We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It’s a privilege to do so. I’ve never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I’ll wager that most of us don’t even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I’ve hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that’s what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I trust to do the job right?
I’m concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don’t get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can’t explain, and calling it ‘change’.
‘Change what?’, I ask.
‘Well, we’re going to change America ‘, they say.
‘In what way?’, I query.
‘We want someone new and fresh in the White House’, they exclaim..
‘So, someone who’s not a politician?’, I say.
‘Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we’re voting for Obama’, they state.
‘So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party’s nomination for the White House - that system’s all wrong?’
‘No, no, that part of the system’s okay - we just need a lot of change.’
And so it goes. ‘Change we can believe in.’
Quite frankly, I don’t believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I’ve been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they’re voting. I live in Illinois , so most folks tell me they’re voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why - only that he’s going to change a lot of stuff. ‘Change, change, change.’ I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth - other than the fact that he claims he’s going to implement a lot of change.
We’ve all seen the emails about Obama’s genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let’s ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, ‘What qualifies this man to be my president? That he’s a brilliant orator and talks about change?’
CHANGE WHAT?
Friends, I’ll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don’t have a clue what they’re doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I’ve spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven’t read his wife’s thesis from Princeton , look it up on the web. This is who’s lining up to be our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama’s constant harping about change is that we’re in for a lot of new taxes.
For me, the choice is clear. I’ve looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I’ve made my choice.
Here’s a question - ‘Where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You’ve had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6, 000 meals, give or take.’
John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.
When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.
Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that’s a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.
Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A graduate of Annapolis, during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq . Barack Obama is fond of saying ‘We honor John McCain’s service…BUT…’, which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, ‘Let’s forget this man’s sacrifice for his country and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change.’
I don’t agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what’s right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn’t simply want to be President - he wants to lead America , and there’s a huge difference. Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change can’t hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in1981 and elected to the Senate in1982.
Perhaps Obama’s supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don’t care about McCain’s service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President. Maybe ‘likeability’ is a higher priority for them than ‘trust’. Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.
Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking Americans to say, ‘Enough.’ It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their friends and neighbors and ask who they’re voting for, and why.
There’s a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family’s interests before any foreign country.
I want a President who’s qualified to lead.
I want my country back, and I’m voting for John McCain.
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Thanks HARP for posting this letter. I am not male or a born again Christian or even a vet, but I AM JOE PORTER and JOE The PLUMBER. I work hard, I play by the rules, I see opportunities in America and I get down on my knees to thank God for my blessings. I want everyone to worldwide to share these things and I understand that if I am not strong and don’t live up to my God given potential, then I am doing a disservice not only to myself but to the others that I can care for and assist along the way. If the “Joes” in the world are reduced to a “victim” mentality or forced to operate in one, we are doomed.
i am not you, joe, but we are both americans. we want the best for this country and i agree we elect people who no longer care about us but themselves. i say it is time we teach the dimocrats they can’t do repub lite and get away with. in my view they are even worse than the repubs in 2004. and the pollsters/media? they are corrupt lying aholes in my humble view. i don’t trust anything they say or write anymore. i no longer watch them. i think they are idiots.
What a wonderful testament! Putting party politics aside, when you look at each candidate individually comparing their life-long efforts for the American people side by side, it is clear that John McCain is the man who has, who can and who will lead our country.
I’m sitting here this morning telling you that Americans who love this great land of ours will have to vote for John McCain as our President. John McCain is our hope, and with Sarah Palin at his side, they will effect change in Washington that people have been asking for. There can be no doubt.
thank you posting the letter. Excellent letter indeed. I will forward to everyone I know.
Uppity You Rock! Keep up the Good Fight!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/post_20.html
Good follow up on voter fraud…
http://www.puma08.com/2008/10/17/obamas-camp-coercing-mentally-challenged-to-vote-for-barack-obama/
and another on voter coercion by Barky’s minions…
artist I equate them stealing the votes of the mentally challeneged to terrorists strapping bombs on the mentally impaired……sickening.
fascist is as fascist does…
soeteroama is a fascist and unfit for any elective office…nuff said….
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/kenyan-insiders-say-obama-was-part-of-takeover-strategy/
This explains a lot about 0bama’s “leading in the polls” - it’s the strategy. What it doesn’t explain is why EVERY media outlet, EVERY polling outfit is helping barky implement his strategy.
The good news, to me, is that after all that “coordination” with 0bama, 0dinga ended up LOSING the election - the weird and bad news (or part of it) is the way barky got Condi Rice and Kofi Annan and others to do his bidding to get 0dinga appointed prime minister after slaughtering all those people - REALLY SCARY. Why would they listen to him? Why would they do what barky wanted?
From the article:
I don’t think, to be honest, that the pollsters (the reputable ones) are trying to skew the election. I think they just have to take their best guess at turn-out.
This is a historical election. I believe everyone will vote. There’s no such thing as voter suppression this year.
Are you kidding me?
Everyone who is remotely interested will vote.
So the turn-out will be high. How high?
Really, that’s anybody’s guess.
I watch polls for trends only. Just trends.
Right now, John is tightening. That means, frankly, he did win the debate. People evaluate the debate differently from how it affects them.
They can say, “Yes, Obama was more eloquent.” Then they turn around and say, “John is the better leader.”
I agree 100% with Bill C. that voting is a process that doesn’t come down often to one issue or one character trait. It’s an intuitive decision based upon a lot of processed information and the individual’s own values, beliefs, and world view.
It cannot be “polled.” Only the decision can be polled.
What’s been interesting to see is how many people remain undecided.
This is NOT a partisan year, although the rhetoric has been.
People are swinging all over. Dems are swinging to Repub……Independents are swinging to Dems…..etc.
It will be interesting.
I’m sorry to see John have to defend Republican states, but that’s also good, too. It means people are thinking outside of the box.
That has to be good for America.
It’s time we had a solid election where the issues are truly the focus, and this is sure the year, in spite of the mud-slinging.
Everyone I know “gets” it this year.
Annin, “figures don’t lie but liars figure.” looking at the poll numbers makes me say “wtf”. yup i think they are in the tank as well. they do the polls for the corrupt media most of the time. sure they fudge. to assume they are honest is your decision but i respectfully disagree.
And I respectfully agree - with you, stodghie!
The strategy of claiming to be “leading in the race” was spelled out for 0dinga BY 0BAMA - because that’s 0bama’s strategy for himself.
It’s so obvious - I just don’t know how they pulled it off with the entire media corps and the entire polling corps.
It’s like bad - really bad - science fiction.
And then there’s the part about inciting violence if you lose - knowing the 0bots the way we do, they’re just chomping at the bit to hurt a lot of people - as we know, they’re already doing it. And barky can’t wait for them to start a little revolution in his name if he loses. This is not Kenya, though, and I think (hope) barky’s outta luck on that front…
Me three, the polls are being inflated and also many strange little polls seem to be around. I think it’s a PR strategy to make people who only “want a leader” go for O, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was part of a vote-stealing scheme either. If the actual votes are much different from the inflated values, they will cry that the votes are stolen, because obviously so many people “wanted” him.
HERE SHE (AninCa) GOES AGAIN!!!!!!
CONCERNED TROLL ALERT.
WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING.
the difference is
they (obots) don’t THINK they are stealing votes (they think they are informing their public) one sided of course
but the terrorists KNOW they are KILLING their patsy
BIG DIFFERENCE R U KIDDIN?
still wrong but BIG difference
At least the terrorists are not deluding themselves.
OT: I heard that Sarah Palin is going to be on Saturday Night Live tonight (Oct. 18th)…perhaps she will be impersonating Tina Fey!
hahahahahaha now that would be funny
Great article! I think they’re polling that way because that’s what’s in the Obama/Odinga plan to enable claims of election fraud after the vote. The Odinga election was a proving ground for what Obama has up his sleeve for America (land that he hates).
Since whatever we now say will be misconstrued as racist, let me go out on a limb with this suggestion (no pun intended). Why doesn’t someone use the clip of those lively ACORN girls who are “in your face” like howler monkeys in a 527 ad? I think that that clip (you’ve probably seen it on the news) is iconic for the entire attempt to commit vote fraud, as well as the overreaching tendency of that particular demographic in this election. There, I said it.
Yes, I agree that now whatever we say will be seen as racist.
Yesterday, I turned on my car radio and Al Sharpton’s radio show came on…he was having folks call in and I just couldn’t believe my ears. One woman was talking about how John McCain, in praising Obama saying that he had done well and so forth, was being condescending and that all white people just wanted to keep black folks in “their place” so to speak.
Obama’s campaign has divided America and has set back race relations a zillion years!
This is SOOO JUICY…I HAD TO POST THE LINK.
FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN BARKY’S…CREDS OR LACK THEREOF…OR BERG V OBAMA & THE DNC….
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/obamas-mop-up-m.html
Un-f***ing-beleivable! Forgive me, I usually strive to be a little more eloquent but…..but,but.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that we are nought but a banana republic.
If it is’nt a fait acompli already, it most assuredly will be if BHO takes the Oval.
As an American I have never been in such fear as I am today. With the prospect of what we may be in for I am checking real-estate listings…in Costa Rica!
Did you hear about the 12 yr. old in Florida who wore a “Go Sarah Go” t-shirt to school, and the other kids were calling her racist? That’s what the Great “Uniter” & the media have done for this country. It’s sick.
If Obama and puppeteers are successful with his illigitamate nomination and stolen general election, precedent will be reset - all black candidates will run racist campaigns.
Being conservative or not supporting the liberal will constitute racism. We have Obama’s Chicago political mobster/senior campaign strategist David Axelrod to thank for that. He used these same racial tactics to get Duval Patrick elected Gov of MASS, according to Geraldine Ferraro on Fox during the primary.
Yeah, you said it, but guess what? That was a racist remark.
Why don’t you try a web site where comments about “that particular demographic” are more welcome?
I guess I should have said water buffaloes? No, wait, that was also determined to be racist.
In case you forgot:
http://mtprof.msun.edu/Fall1995/trout.html
This morning the first item I opened on my computer home page was an article titled “Why Presidential Polls Are Wrong”.The piece was written in context of the Democratic primary when Obama was ahead in N.H. polls before Hillary Clinton won the primary. To read the entire article the link is
http://www.livescience.com/history/080109-bad-polls.html
Quoted from the Article
“Bigger polling problems
The larger problem with many of today’s political pollsters is that surveys are conducted in affiliation with media organizations, said Shawn Parry-Giles, a political communications professor at the University of Maryland who camped out in New Hampshire prior to the primary to make observations.
“Media aren’t going to be self-reflexive about their poll,” Parry-Giles said. “The journalists themselves just bought into the fact that [Obama] was so far ahead and it was inevitable. I was stunned by the coverage.”
The media should stop treating polls as if they are factual information, she said. “
More telling then the fixed polls is this. And the hits on Ayers are working.
Should controversial speakers such as William Ayers be invited to speak at UNL as part of a wide-ranging group of voices?
The University of Nebraska-Lincoln announced late Friday it has canceled a Nov. 15 appearance by William Ayers for security reasons.
“The university’s threat assessment group monitored e-mails and other information UNL received… and identified safety concerns which resulted in the university canceling the event,” read a statement issued by UNL.
Ayers, an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, had been scheduled to deliver the keynote address at the College of Education and Human Services student research conference.
He had been selected by a faculty committee last spring for his expertise in areas like social justice and urban educational reform, said Marjorie Kostelnik, dean of the college.
But news of his selection Thursday sparked immediate and widespread public furor.
Phone calls, e-mails and statements poured in from alumni, donors, citizens and political leaders furious that Ayers had been chosen to help celebrate the education college’s 100th anniversary.
Callers flooded the offices of university leaders, some threatening to pull financial support unless UNL rescinded its invitation.
http://www.journalstar.com/blog/soundoff.php?title=should_controversial_speakers_such_as_wi&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Be sure and watch Hannity’s America Sunday night for Obama’s Radical Associations part 2. I am oping we get introduced to Odinga and he is all over the news starting Monday!
I’d say that Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are worse than Bill Ayers ever was.
yeah right. tell me when Liddy and North bomb the US Capitol, the Pentagon, and police stations.
tell me when Liddy and North preached for kids to kill their parents.
as usual, obamabots show how logic is missing from their mindset.
the way i see it the so called pollsters bring in the real poll and it is kicked out. they keep showing up with fudged numbers till the buyer likes it. if these were independent polls, we wouldn’t see it in tandem with cnn and msnbc. they are bought and paid for this season.
This is why I have long maintained that the only three polls worth watching are Rasmussen, Gallup & Zogby. McCain is within striking distance in all of them.
Sure, there is intentional bias being built into polls, and even more in how they are being reported. But there is a great deal of unintentional bias. When we hear that up to 80% of people being polled are refusing to answer, we know something is up. That has to have an effect on polling results, but is it reported anywhere? No.
The Bradley effect is history. From now on it will be the Obama Effect. Put simply, the Obama Effect is the reaction of people tired of being called racist. They will, in large numbers, keep their cards close to their vests and not talk about this election. They do it in the workplace, they even do it among their own family and friends. Certainly they are doing it with polling.
The pollsters have no way to measure or correct for the Obama Effect. They don’t want it to be there and so ignore it. But it will be there when people actually vote. I think at least 3-4 points in every poll are overstated to Obama, maybe much more. It may be even more pronounced in the key states full of bitter clingers like OH, PA, VA, FL and NC.
Of course after Obama loses the msm will cry that this is evidence of racism. It certainly is evidence of how race played out in this election, but it isn’t the kind of racism they want to believe in. It makes no sense to argue that people who would vote for Obama if he were white won’t because he is black. How many true racists are also far left-wingers? No, the Obama Effect is pure and simple the reaction to the constant playing of the race card and the strategy that Obama could be shielded from criticism with the threat of the racist charge. That doesn’t sit well with people and we still have a secret ballot, so far.
It’s also the effect of seeing him on tv every 5 minutes. Honestly, I think the American people are simply getting tired of seeing him dominate the airwaves with his hopey-changey dope.
I think you’re both correct. When a person who has already been assumed and pre-punished for their racism gets alone in the polling booth, I believe their vote will reflect their true feelings.
On the second post, yes, I’m to the point to where if I see his face or hear his voice I turn off the TV or radio. I now feel physically ill whenever I see or hear him. He makes me want to vomit.
I agree. I am not talking politics at all with people at this point. They are now just having a knee-jerk reaction to demean McCain supporters. So it’s definitely a case of just knowing that voting is private.
Nobody’s business, as Joe the Plumber says.
Most people do not want grief.
I’m with you Ann. I’m comfortable with my choice. I actually feel good about voting for McCain now. Originally it was just an anti Obama vote. But I’ve warmed to John McCain and I like his wife and Sarah Palin.
Agree with all of the above.
No Bradley Effect. Now the Obama effect.
And many, many lifetime Democrats will not forget the Axelrod plan to paint Bill and Hillary Clinton as racists, falsely.
People have just stopped discussing it, except the rabid Obamabots, so it LOOKS like they’re winning the narrative.
But on Nov. 4, America will speak.
And it will have nothing to do with the color of Obama’s skin.
Same here!
There is one factor involving race that I have not seen discussed, but which may be a factor, although I have no idea how big of a factor. I suspect that there are some AA’s, who support Obama, but who ultimately will ponder the question: “If Barack wins,and things go really bad, are we all going to get blamed for it?” This may cause a last minute hesitation on the part of some AA’s to pull the lever for Obama. I would like to hear some other opinions on this possibility, particularly from AA’s. What do you think?
Check out this website
http://www.blackagendareport.com/
I came across this website earlier in the election year when researching Democratic primary candidates.
Haven’t been following them in a while but
this website has a purely AA agenda and has been critical of Obama’s policies. I believe their candidates of choice in the primaries were Dennis Kuchinich and Cynthia McKinney.
What Gallup is doing is including all those fraudulent voter registrations which gives the advantage to the democrats this year. Thousands of college students from MD and DC registered in VA to vote, all organized by ACORN of course. Senator Government knows he’s already won. Chuck Hagel is making sure of that. AND WaPo runs a DISGUSTING editorial by Colbert King about someone yelling “kill him” at a McCain/Palin rally. Hey WaPo, the secret service proved that story false! Try acting like a newspaper and print real news and have your editorial page editors do their jobs and print editorials based in reality instead of stoking the racist mantra!
There was a good article on RCP about the polls yesterday, showing the different slants being used.
Yes, and here’s a link to an article about the effect of cell phones on polling accuracy:
http://www.livescience.com/technology/060528_cell_polls.html
This article concludes that there might be a 1% bias away from Obama because cell phone users are harder to poll and are more liberal. Two big problems: 1) this data is from 2003 and there are more cell phone only users today. BUT as there are more cell phone only users they are more evenly divided politically. I know many conservatives who are cell phone only users 2) the young, hip, liberal types that are assumed to be cell phone only users are also exactly the population that election after election, does not turn out to vote.
My Mom: 68 - Republican - Cell Phone Only
I’m 49 and I only have a cell phone. I think that’s probably a bogus argument.
But on the other hand, a significant percentage of people who are being contacted by these polling organizations are simply refusing to participate. My guess is that the majority of those people are McCain supporters, since Republicans tend to be more resentful of the media than Democrats, for obvious reasons.
I have a landline but I never answer it. It’s just there for fax and if my DSL goes down. Landline calls are always junk. I don’t give my landline # to anybody I want to talk to. If you have unlimited cel, why give out the landline?
And I see plenty of middle-aged and seniors talking on cel in the streets. Cel phone=young is bullshit.
Shiloh - I am counting on that “young” demographic NOT showing up. But, they have never been held hostage before now.
These are the same people that get text messages from the Obama campaign’s “ground operation” located in Silicone Valley, CA (thanks to Nancy Pelosi), who reached this demographic to begin with on FaceBook and MySpace. This also applies to the “Young professional” demographic, and others who use these sites or are otherwise tied in with the instant communication. We have not had this kind of instant communication in politics before this year. You better believe on election day, this hi-tec operation will be in full throttle.
By not highlighting the poll according to likely voters, Gallup is subtly emphasising an obama victory. trying to make it seem inevitable. journalists, pollsters have lost all credibility. trying to find someone unbiased might be a miracle. no code of ethics at all. how sad!
off thread. I just posted this on another blog and thought I’d share my sentiments with you here at NoQ.
What I want to know is why everyone is so worried about Obama’s associations, Ayers, Wright, Odinga, Rezko, Auchi, etc.?
It isn’t the “association” that’s the problem. It is Obama himself. He is not wrong because of the people he chooses to associate with. He is wrong because he is in fact one of those people.
Of course, he disguises it. I can see it, though, when he takes off the smile to the swooning crowd. There is a certain defiance and rebellion in his eyes, reminiscent of an angry teenager who lashes out against authority. Obama has the same anger, but through the relationships he has made over the years, he has latched his anger onto a hate of America and our government’s policies.
Instead of stealing and becoming a juvenile delinquent, Obama chose to direct his anger toward the defeat of everything he has been told since he was a child is wrong about our country.
He found like minded people and is within a few weeks of being able to accomplish his goal — to ‘change’ America by altering or eliminating her freedoms, by removing her wealth, and by dropping her to her knees, and calling it something else so the majority don’t know what he’s doing.
We’ve known people want to hurt us. I never thought we would elect one president.
These are not associations, they are affiliations and coalitions - much more meaningful and telling.
Thanks for pointing that out, perfect description of what the media won’t tell us.
What I want to know is - WHAT HAVE THESE ASSOCIATES SEEN IN OBAMA THAT LURES THEM TO HIM?
I think that is more important than what he sees in them.
Leave it to one of, if not the, 1st democrat ever to explain it.
“Those, then, are friends to whom the same things are good and evil; and those who are, moreover, friendly or unfriendly to the same people; for in that case they must have the same wishes, and thus by wishing for each other what they wish for themselves, they show themselves each other’s friends.” (Aristotle, Rhetoric, Book II, Chapter)
Can it be said any better than that!
Hat-Tip, Mark Levin(NRO)
This might be a really good time for that Michelle Obama “whitey” tape….Anybody know what happened there??? Guess it never existed? If you know please respond…would really appreciate it
t..r..o…l…l…
Actually, I am not a troll….have been out of pocket for awhile and just have not heard anything further about that tape…We have only two more weeks so doesn’t seem too early to release it….and would love to see something put a stop to the BO madness….thanks.
Obama Comet is on a collision course with Earth, and is due to strike on Nov. 4th. Just as with a Comet, if you can deflect it when it’s far enough away, you can alter its course by pushing it slightly to one side. The closer it gets to Earth, the greater the force needed to deflect it. Right now Obama Comet is so close to Earth, the Whitey Tape would not make a difference: it would still hit us. Probably the only force big enough to shatter Comet Obama at this stage would be the Kenyan birth certificate.
Bringing up the “Whitey Tape” at this point seems to be a ploy to taunt Larry, who has always acted in good faith in bringing us the latest news unavailable elsewhere to the best of his ability. Most of us are very grateful to him for providing this forum.
Montana, I believe you when you say you are not a troll. I’m just getting a little touchy and defensive about people who come on here and demand “where’s the Whitey Tape!!!” Usually, such people are trolls.
I think taunting Larry is an excellent idea, since he’s obviously a complete lunatic who makes shit up.
Thank you for crawling out from under your bridge troll, to prove my point. You see, Montana, this creature here is what I was talking about.
API is holding it after the election. The african press international is over run now by sharia law instead of christian law now, thanks to Odinga. The second ” whitey” tape that is…………..the first one is yet to surface…
I don’t know if API would be subject to pressure from sharia law or Odinga. I believe API is actually based in Norway.
Yes I know. It is in a bank deposit box in Arlington, VA. It will be released when the time is right. It would be foolish to release it this early.
oh surely you jest. too early to release? c’mon, it’s getting to late to release if anything.
and Montana, I remember you from the primary’s and know you are not a troll. since you’ve been away at least once a week some Barry troll shows up asking about the tape. regular posters have become a bit sensitive when this is raised. welcome back.
As I stated before to Montana….API has the damaging tape of Michelle and they are following the orders of Odinga or “else”. The first whitey tape might be a fairy tale, but, the API is not. When people see Michelle running her mouth about how the white people are racist and that africans should unite against them…..the race is over! But, money talks in Kenya……..and journalist don’t exist anymore in America- that is only on Fox’s shows- the fair and balance network. Talking about network, the other day I was switching and was going to turn the channel when I heard Chris Matthew’s mouth- but- stopped because Chris was being aggressive with somebody asking them ” What policies can YOU name that Obama has done?” He was getting flustered with the Obama camp. I guess Chris knows that he has alienate alot of people because of not vetting this guy in the beginning——-and has lost the trust of the american people. Such a nice catholic man and what a serious mistake he has done in not reporting the news. If Obama loses- so will his career————-just watch!
I heard that Rudy Guillianie has it. Don’t know if it is true, but they won’t release until two weeks before the elections, so Obama don’t have time to rebutt.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/17/aol-straw-poll-oct-17-24/
I like watching this poll above you can only vote once a week last week it was
Popular vote electoral votes to win
McCain 54% 118,173 378
Obama 44% 95,182 160
Obama blue states Ca (of course) Ia , Il, NY, Vermont, Ny, DC, Ma,
Just got off the phone with a man from Arkansas,a stranger to me. At the end of our business call, I asked him how people were voting in his area. He said McCain. He said with most of them it was his radical leanings and his Muslim background.
Began following this poll as well, voted last week and again on this weeks new poll. Im taking a screen shot of these up to the final week and see how this poll fairs in future national elections
We’ve all witnessed a lot of insanity in American politics over the last few years. Up until the last few days, none of it has seriously bothered me; hey, just more grist for the satire mill. But after witnessing the media’s blitzkreig on Joe ‘the Plumber’ Wurzelbacher, I can only muster anger, and no small amount of fear.
Politicians — Sarah Palin, Bill Clinton, et al. — obviously have to put up with some rude, nasty shit, but it’s right there in the jobs description. Joe the Plumber is different. He was a guy tossing a football with his kid in the front yard of his $125,000 house when a politician picked him out as a prop for a 30 second newsbite for the cable news cameras. Joe simply had the temerity to speak truth (or, if you prefer, an uninformed opinion) to power, for which the politico-media axis apparently determined that he must be humiliated, harassed, smashed, destroyed. The viciousness and glee with which they set about the task ought to concern anyone who still cares about citizen participation, and freedom of speech, and all that old crap they taught in Civics class before politics turned into Narrative Deathrace 3000, and Web 2.0 turned into Berlin 1932.0.
Godwin’s Law! you say? if the jackboot fits, wear it.
If it’s meta-memes and meta-meta-narratives these media headlice want, so be it. I hope you will join me in expressing a simple bit of solidarity with this guy, Spartacus style. I AM JOE. I am a Wal Mart schlub in flyover country who changes my own oil and unclogs drains without a license. I smoke and drink beer and toss the football in the front yard with my kid, and I figure I can fend my way without handouts from some Magic Messiah’s candy bags. Most everyone in my family and most everyone I grew up with is another Joe, and if you screw with them, you screw with me.
Are you a Joe? Say it proud. Leave it on every goddamn newspaper comment section and online forum. Let these pressroom and online thugs know you won’t stay silent when they try to destroy the life of a private citizen for speaking his mind — because for every one of them, there are a million Joe Wurzelbachers. And for that we should all be thankful.
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/10/i-am-joe.html
great idea dude!
Today we are all Plumbers!
america supports Joe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf5CO38Z8Wo
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
I now have a plunger attached to my McCain/Palin yard sign, which is now up on the top of my fence. People slow down when coming by just to see it.
LOL! I have no signs……just a plunger, stuck upside down by my front door.
My friends ask what it is.
My response is “Solidarity.”
They smile and nod.
Happening all over America.
Vow,Ingrid from Fox laid it all out there and exposed the bullying methods from media to rush to help and failure to investigate Ayers.
Good that O Reily was out and she reported boldly.
Great video.
Absolutely! Watching the Hillary hysteria and then the Palin hysteria was disturbing enough, but to see the vengeance and hostility directed at Joe within 24 hours was really frightening. Did I miss something–is Joe running for president? He had the temerity to expose Obama, off teleprompter for a change, and the feeding frenzy began. This culture is diseased, and Obama is a by-product. In what kind of healthy, mature, balanced culture would he be considered qualified and fit to be president? Instead, it feels like we are approaching a police state, with all tools being used to support Dear Leader. I pray enough people are motivated to show up on November 4th and end this nightmare.
They are shooting the messenger, the message, and anyone who is actually paying attention. Misinformatioon, disinformation, misdirection, diversion, lies, damned lies, and statistics are all being use to prop up this carpet-bagger of a candidate. He and his minions need to be relegated to the ash heap of history.
Frankly, I was relieved to see them do it to a guy. (Sorry, guys!)
I was starting to feel unnerved by the sexism. Now, whew*……even Joe got it!
I can appreciate what you mean. Of course, where they are making a big mistake is that by attacking Joe the Plumber, they are attacking Everyman, a powerful archetype that is totally beyond the reach of their petty attacks. The physical Joe the Plumber is merely a visible manifestation of something much more universal. The more they attack Joe, the more they will empower and validate the archetype of the invincible Everyman.
One of the bloggers from Bitterpoliticz was called by a pollster.
The caller asked her/him about issues, do you believe this or this, in this or that, etc.
At the *END* the pollster said, ok, thank you.
The bitterpoliticz said “wait, you didn’t ask me who I am voing for” and the pollster said, “oh, well, we just assign your candidate, based on what issues you said you supported” and she/he said, “who did you put me down for?” and they replied “Obama”
Well, naturally, the PUMA said “nooooooo, i am not voting for Obama! change that!” And then an argument ensued. I am not sure how it was resolved.
So, that is how polling is being handled? That is bullarky!
Sarainitaly
Exactly. Based on response to questions, they determine where you stand - Repub or Dem. They don’t take into account that this year more people are crossing party lines than ever before. They also don’t point out that Obama’s policies are not traditional Democratic policies.
that is friggin ridiculous. Have they always polled that way?
The short answer is no.
pcmck I’m beginning to think one could logically and rationally argue a landslide win for Mac if this is how they are “polling.” Its more like SHAFTING the electorate. So carry on people! As I have been saying, ignore the polls and the trolls!
Yes, but I do think there is voter fraud that will make up the difference. We need to work hard and long. We need to talk and expose everywhere we go. I think so many have been quiet because they’re afraid of the get in your face bot tactics.
It’s time we we heard. We cannot be quiet anymore. We are Joe, We are Jane. We are America, and we need to exercise our freedom of speech and press in order to keep those freedoms.
It is just incredible what has happened this year. I can’t BELIEVE it.
What kind of polling crap is that?
I think he will lose by a landslide too. They have been fudging hte numbers, polls, lying, etc. I think, once people are in the booth, Obama is gonna lose, and lose big. (I am hoping!)
I also think we need to quit calling this new democratic freak ass party Democrats.
I don’t think they deserve that title.
I think we need to call them Obamacrats.
There is still a fraction of good dems out there. Obama and his flock have sullied the name Democrat.
You betcha, Obama will lose by a landslide.
Obammunists. Do not soil the name of the Democratic party
Galt, I am less concerned with the national polls which I believe under report McCain’s stength than I am with key counties in Key states. Obama is so heavy onto Ohio and Virginia, I am afraid he is going to steal it. Remember during the primary when Gary Indiana reported so late? “Urban” districts always turn in their votes late, after they’ve been “counted”.
Palestra had an interesting article yesterday about temporary Obama “volunteers” registering to vote in key states. I think that’s how he won the primaries. Every state with large and transparent primary turn outs chose Hillary, Obama gamed the caucuses.
I was called by a pollster a few weeks ago. A young African American male voice asked; “If the Presidential Election was held today, which candidate would you vote for: Republican Candidate John McCain, or Democratic Candidate Barack Obama?”
I quickly replied “John McCain”.
The pollster paused for a second, and asked; “Would you say that’s a strong answer for McCain?”.
I told him “It’s the only answer. I’m voting McCain.”
He replied; “Um, well then, uh, thank you for your time.” and quickly hung up.
So, he wrote down that you were a *not at home* on his sheet, and called someone else…
That’s actually good news! If polls are being conducted that way, they are seriously underestimating the PUMA and cross-over factor. Let them–I’d love to see MSNBC & the rest in meltdown November 4th.
THAT will be the channel I turn to around midnight on election night (especially if Mack is the clear winner)
MSNBO will be flailing and crying and wetting themselves in grief!!
“Ohhhhhhhh Cruel World”
“What hope is left for us now?”
“Woeeeeeeee is me, Woe are WE”
and I will be on the floor lmao!
(then I too might cry)
I will cry tears of relief for my country if McCain defeats Obama…
I love how you open the post Uppity. Nice summery!
Someone up thread used the phrase “political pollsters.” My mind first read it as “political prisoners.”
I’m going to take a little breather today to regroup.
I thought of “polled herefords” and a plaintive “moo”. And the herd just follows along.
Very funny! This is a perfect example of how the human mind actually works–not in logical increments, but in muddy associations that depend on things like alliteration, rhyme, and imagery.
The saddest phone call I got so far is the one I took last night from my state’s Democratic Party. Would I be willing to attend a rally for my Senate candidate, Mark Udahll, and for Obama. I told them I would for Udall but if Obama was in the mix, I would not. Then they started asking down ticket, at which point I stopped them. I said I knew all my down-ticket Dems well, having participated in the primaries all the way to the state convention. I am voting down-ticket. I am just not voting Obama. I told them about my uncle, who has voted Dem all his life but voted Rublican all the way on his mail in ballot because he was so angry about the way Hillary had been treated by the party. I concluded that I was sorry for the state Dems having to feel the backlash, but they really, really now need to join forces to DO SOMETHNG ABOUT THE DNC AS IT OPERATES NOW.
I’m voting for only those with moderate records, regardless of their affiliation.
No more straight-ticket Dem voting for me.
Once I got over it, I REALLY got over it!
I think this will be a wonderful time for Republicans to reshape their party. They can be the moderates.
I’ve frankly let go of Democrats. They are in the same spot as Republicans years ago. The left-wing has overwhelmed them. That’ll be their achilles heel now.
I’m not interested in either far-left OR far-right nutcases running the country.
I’m not interested in either far-left OR far-right nutcases running the country.
me either!
It is time for the adults in this country to take charge again. I’ve had just about enough of the petulant 5-years olds at both extremes of the political spectrum.
I agree with all of you. I am voting for adults next time, not emotionally stunted 47 year olds with Mommy issues.
copy that
Good description. I feel the same way. I think I’ve become an American, and finally now know what that means for me.
My vote was cast for McCain-Palin two weeks ago, first ever republican vote.
I like McCain too. But Nobama has his work cut out for him to distance from all these attack ads on McCain’s patriotism. Saying he did all those things.
It’s disgusting.
When it becomes apparent that the Mcain/Palin ticket is victorious on the morning of Nov.5th, the OBAMMUNNISTS and thier shock troops will hit the streets and the blogosphere to launch a domestic insurrection much the same as Raille Odinga did in Kenya ! WATCH OUT! Odinga was well versed in the lessons of domestic insurrection calling for class warfare and “wealth redistribution” Sound familiar? Obama;”we have to spread the wealth around!” There will be no CONCESSION SPEECH FROM OBAMA if he loses, as I expect he will. There will be allegations of fraud and riots will be DEMANDED and fueled with cell phone text messaging and internet OBOT command centers. SOCIALISTS DO NOT LOSE GRACEFULLY WITH HONOR AND THEY NEVER RELINQUISH POWER VOLUNTARILY! If the Federal/State & local law enforcement personnell do not have a security contingency plan IN PLACE before the results are in we will have a MAJOR PROBLEM! America will be rent asunder by these affiliated groups who want to dismantle the America we all LOVE AND live in now! do not underestimate these THUGS! THEY ARE ALREADY DIVVYING UP THE SPOILS OF AMERICAS WEALTH BETWEEN THEMSELVES! AMERICA 1st! Mcain Palin 2008!
We’ll just build more prisons to house the idiots. I’m not afraid of these Kool-Aide drinking, beanie-wearing tools. When push comes to shove, they will place their tails firmly between their legs and run.
The polls are also over estimating the number of Dems. They say they’re doing this to reflect all the new voters who are inspired to turn out for Obama this year.
But see, that’s baloney. I already live in a dark blue Dem state. We’re already Dems. We already turn out in high numbers. You cannot create voters out of nothing.
If you research, the most the Dem advantage has run is about 4%. That goes back to the Vietnam war, the Nixon resignation, all the crisis in this country that would bring voters out to the polls. You weight these polls as if Dems outnumber Republicans two to one and you’re going to get skewed results.
Will this country break a record and have 80% turnout on election day? I don’t think so. Will half the registered Republicans in this country vote for Barky? I doubt it. In order for some of these polls to be accurate, that’s what would have to happen.
Haven’t looked at the internals of the 2006 elections, but I’m sure dems outnumbered republicans far more than normal - maybe pollsters are basing some of their overpolling of dems on that.
The thing is, EVERYBODY was ready for change in 2006 and the mood was that the dems would bring it. REPUBLICANS - sick of 1-party rule and their own party’s excesses and screw-ups - just plain STAYED HOME.
But oops! The dems got in power and all they’ve proved in the last 2 years is that they’re bad too. And dems in both houses plus the WH scares the beejeebs out of most people - as it should.
Bottom line: REPUBLICANS AIN’T STAYING HOME THIS YEAR. Right-center and middle-of-the-road indies ain’t staying home this year - and they ain’t voting dem. Dems are being badly overpolled and Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, and a million unanswered questions about barky are gonna bring it home for McCain.
As for the cell phone polling calls…..Are they dialing random #’s? Or actually calling people they have numbers for? Think now. Who has the most cell phone numbers in this campaign? Who made that 3am call and who did he call? Wonder if the pollsters are calling from his list?
Need some humour today!!!!!!!!
A little boy goes to his dad and asks, ‘What is Politics?’
>> >>
>> >> Dad says, ‘Well son, let me try to explain it this way:
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>> >> I am the head of t he family, so call me The President.
>> >>
>> >> Your mother is the administrator of the money, so we call her the
>> >> Government.
>> >>
>> >> We are here to take care of your needs, so we will call you the
>> >> People.
>> >> The nanny, we will consider her the Working Class.
>> >>
>> >> And your baby brother, we will call him the Future.
>> >>
>> >> Now think about that and see if it makes sense.’
>> >>
>> >> So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said.
>> >>
>> >> Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up
>> >> to check on him.
>> >>
>> >> He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper.
>> >>
>> >> So the little boy goes to his parent’s room and finds his mother
>> >> asleep.
>> >> Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny’s room.
>> >> Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his
>> >> father in bed with the nanny.
>> >> He gives up and goes back to bed.
>> >>
>> >> The next morning, the little boy say’s to his father, ‘Dad, I
>> >> think I understand the concept of politics now.’
>> >>
>> >> The father says, ‘Good, son, tell me in your own words what you
>> >> think politics is all about.’
>> >>
>> >> The little boy replies, ‘The President is screwing the Working
>> >> Class while the Government is sound asleep. The People are being
>> >> ignored and the Future is in deep Shit .
Ahh, the wisdom of children.
The Video that could cost Obama the election:
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=68
Okey…kiddies………this is what going on….first…when you see Obama running to New York (a blue state ) to campaign…you wonder…when you see Obama sending Biden to California….you wonder….why in heavens name would you waste the last three weeks in hardcore blue states? This is the facts……….ex-hillary supporters in New York are worrying him…….ex-hillary supporters in California are worrying him………I can say with a prediction of my own……….it doesn’t matter whether Acorn gets away with a few ballots….the FBI has planted people at the polls already to make sure that the poll workers are caught and arrested…so less fraud will happen….but…I truly believe that a explosion of republicans, blue collar democrats, conservative democrats, ex- hillary supporters and some independent are going to the polls with such force that 2000 will look like a state election instead of a nation election. Mark my words. And you can thank Joe the Plummer for bringing the deceit to the front of OBama’s socialist ways.
You’re foolish and mistaken. Turnout was much higher in the primaries, so Gallup is allowing for the possibility (in fact, the likelihood) that it will be much higher in the general election. This is another case of reality having a well-known liberal bias: Obama is going to turn out more voters, which is sad for you, but also a plain fact.
First of all you address me in a nice christian way and don’t address me as foolish, I probably can give you three turns and see the red stuff dripping out of your face from the consumption of koolaid. Obama has alot of minority voters and if you recall, that is if this is not one of your first election, Kerry had millions of new register voters as they claimed, and as you can see the true americans won. Being black makes a different? Everybody on this blog- knows I am colored and you don’t see me voting for this socialist. Most colored intelligent people do not like him. So, we will see about my prediction. Down and down his numbers are going- what ? 49-47…….wasn’t the socialist ten points two weeks ago> Get a life!
Not really, Anon.
Gallup has openly said that they’re actually getting an 80% hang-up rate, which has never happened before.
Meaning , of course, people just hang up and don’t give answers at all.
You and Obama need to be concerned about those 80% voters who WILL vote in November.
Anon, McCain will win. Americans are finally learning how horrible Obama’s policies, philosophies, and intentions would be for this country. When it comes down to it, even with all the hopey-changey illusions, McCain/Palin will win.
Obama shouldn’t even be a senator.
MCCAIN/PALIN ‘08!
anon, get your sorry axx off the board and take your phony obot love with you. i am sick of seeing the type of crap you post here. put a sock in it.
Cry me a river, Anon21 - on election day.
You’ll be joining Keithy in the padded room Mac talked about…
more than half that turnout was for hillary. about 30 percent of those are now for mccain.
and we are still angry. we can’t wait to pull that lever for mccain/palin.
Actually, less than half of that turnout was for Hillary. And Obama is pulling 80% of Clinton primary voters, not 70%. And even if he were only pulling 70%, what does it say that he’s still sitting on a 6-8 point lead with some significant of fraction of Democrats having defected? Two things: more Democrats overall, and more Independents for Obama.
McCain is toast.
Burnt toast.
aren’t you two obots cute?!
Two peas in a pods, going down with the whole crop of obamacrats on November 4th.
(:-O
To Senator Obama, I am one of the 95% of americans you want to give a tax break. I want you to know, im 50 yrs old, have worked hard my whole life,and raised 2 wonderful children, one with special needs. I have never ask for or felt I was intitled to help from my government, and I never will. If you want to help people financailly, encourage them to get off the couch and get a job and improve there lot in life. I dont feel this country owes me welfare or taxbreaks, on the contrary, I owe this country for the opportunities and freedoms afforded me by the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. Bill Ayres walks on the flag. You sir, stand shoulder to shoulder with this terrorist. Your applying for the top job in the nation, yet your application for this job is incomplete. A blank piece of paper with your name at the top, does not tell me, YOUR EMPLOYER, your credentials or experiance to succeed in this job. I have have recieved 2 applications for this position, and want to thank you for submitting yours. But i have to hire the other applicant based on his experience and judgement to do the job. SINCERELY. AMREICAN WORKING STIFF
The other thing the polls are not taking into account is what Ani called the Invisibles or to put it another way the Palin effect. I read a comment of a lady who was not voted for 20 years but re-upped because of Gov. Palin. Another Demographic is the ones with Special Needs. This is just a few examples of the Invisibles and I think they are way more out their. Joe the Plumber effect is another group. BS I do not think has expand his electorate but McCain and Palin have.
I see today where FINALLY McCain has started referring to Barack Obama’s economic policies as what they really are: SOCIALISM
I think this is a winning line of attack for McCain/Palin. I hope they keep it up.
I also hope that the whitey tape really exists and isn’t just the product of somebody’s imagination.
i don’t know about the first tape, but there is definitely a tape from mo talking about the ‘fact that america is racist.’ let’s see if we truly have a free press.
I’ll tell you why he’s getting special treatment…part of it is because he is part black and people are afraid of pissing of the black community and getting called racist. Another part is because he’s the biggest socialist I’ve ever seen run for President and all these freaks from the 60’s raised a bunch of deadbeat punk thug kids who are supporting him along w their crazy ass parents.
The MSM and Obamamedia are trying to spin all this huge excitement for Obama right now - but we’ve seen this before. In the primaries after Ohio/Texas, turnout for Obama was nothing huge - it was right down the middle, including AA’s and 18-29 group. It was Hillary supporters who were actually inspired - and pissed off at the constant media bashing and misogyny - and would hit the polls with a fury.
In a GE, Repubs are simply more dependable voters - and they will vote, and get their vote out this year, believe me.
Obama’s poll numnbers are overblown - especially the ones that use Registered Voters (ACORN padding the numbers and therefore padding the poll samples). We will see what happens on election day - when people actually have to pull the lever for The Fraud.
Obama - where is your certified Hawaii (vault) copy of your BC - and why won’t you produce it?
btw whatever happened to jerome corsi. he was supposed to be on hannity last monday but wasnt and hannity never mentioned it. anyone know why?
if obama loses by a small margin you can be certain the election will be contested. you can also be certain that there will be races riots and he will be handed the election to quell the violence. we MUST make sure he loses by a landslide.
It is almost comical the way the media is trying to manipulate the public.
Today I read an article online for TIME and it was all about how Obie was assembling his cabinet “dream team” while McCain, was struggling! LOL!!!
I guess the writer forgot to mention that McCain is not struggling, that he is gaining even in polls that are rigged to Obie’s benefit! I look forward to waking up on Nov. 5th reading the headlines reminiscent of “Dewey Defeats Truman”!!!!
McCain/Palin 2008!!!
I AM JOE