Breaking! The Numbers Don’t Lie (But The DNC Does)
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on October 22, 2008 at 11:45 PM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, DNC idiocy, Democratic Nomination, Florida, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Michigan, Voter Fraud
[SusanUnPC's Note: This post will remain atop the blog overnight so that as many people as possible will see Amy's excellent presentation of Peniel's findings, and can share the conclusions with everyone we know.]
Hot off the presses is this final report from Peniel Cronin, the author of an incredible study, “2008 Democratic Presidential Preference Election: Primary versus Caucus: How millions of voters were systematically disenfranchised and election results were skewed,” available at Dr. Lynette Long’s site, which contains a great deal of information on issues of caucus fraud.
Ms. Cronin’s final study, “2008 Democratic Presidential Preference Election: The People’s Vote: Delegate Allocation Per Original Votes Cast” is an eye-opener (and is available at the bottom of this post). No Quarter is quite fortunate that Ms. Cronin is allowing US to break this story! Thank you!!
The bottom line is this – had the RBC not interfered, the difference between the PLEDGED delegates would have been – wait for it – 4 (FOUR). Yes, I said 4. And, while caucuses accounted for only 2.9% of voters, they accounted for over 14% of pledged delegates. Never even mind all of the massive caucus irregularities that benefited one person – Obama. Still, the bottom line difference: 4 delegates, AND Clinton won the popular vote. Holy smokes.
Before I go further, allow me to introduce Ms. Cronin to you, and present her credentials:
Peniel Cronin has been President & CEO of Global Basics since 1993. Cronin holds a B.S. in Accounting from Arizona State University and has over 16 years experience as an accountant and Director of Marketing for several SMEs.Cronin directs product development and market research and developed the algorithms that power the eNameWiz multilingual domain creation and advanced Name Analytics technology.
Enterprise clients through Global Basics have included the Arizona Office of Tourism, the Nevada Commission on Tourism, the Arizona Shopping Consortium, Shop America Alliance, America West Airlines, Southwest Airlines, AeroMexico and numerous other travel and domain industry organizations. Cronin holds three US & German Patents, several trademarks and numerous copyrights.
Cronin has had a disability for 43 years since a car accident in 1965. She was the Director of Marketing for one of the largest Independent Living Centers in the US for over 5 years and is a disability rights activist, speaker, trainer, and peer mentor to both people with disabilities and minority/women business owners.
What an amazing woman she is!
And now to the results Ms. Cronin has compiled. It will knock your socks off to see the actual numbers, the graphs, and machinations involved to get Obama the nomination. Many of us are aware of the level of caucus fraud that occurred over the Democratic Primaries, but the Numbers Don’t Lie, and here they are, including a spreadsheet of the votes state-by-state (click on the page to enlarge it):
Wow, right? There is more in this excellent report, but I thought this was of particular interest regarding the whole caucus returns:
Perhaps most troubling of all the elements that impacted the final delegate count was the lack of reliable election results –i.e., the undisclosed voter attendance data and non-certified caucus vote counts from 4 of the 6 largest caucus states in terms of votes cast. Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine did not even report total voter turnout and votes.
Together, these states cast an estimated 558,000 of the 1,057,136 million total caucus votes for Obama and Clinton. Thus, 53% of the total votes reported from the 13 caucus states were a guesstimate based on state Democratic Party estimates of voter turnout or based on projections by various researchers and news organizations.
Notably, the reported vote totals varied depending on the projection made by different news organizations and election researchers. There was no certification of results (and probably no solid audit trail) that would provide an exact vote count
as required to be reported through a primary voting system.In addition to these 4 states, there were no solid vote-count numbers presented for the Texas caucus. In fact, the election vote tally there stopped after approximately 41% of the precincts had reported results.
From a delegate standpoint, these 4 caucus states plus the Texas caucus accounted for 239 pledged delegates – 48% of the total 498 pledged allocated to all caucuses.
Holy moly. Who knew that these were “ESTIMATES” and not actual counts for these caucuses? So let me understand this – not only did Obama have these caucuses gamed, but in most of them, they didn’t even bother to COUNT them all?? Um, counting isn’t rocket science, after all – addition is something you learn early on in grammar school. But it didn’t happen in this election. That seems to be a theme for the Democratic Primaries – “let’s not bother to count all of the votes this year, okey dokie?” Uh, yeah.
There is more, and I highly recommend you read the rest of it (it is short, but powerful). In conclusion, Ms. Cronin offers these thoughts (with slight corrections to web addresses):
With the overall election results being so starkly different between the two voting systems used – primary versus caucus,and given all the reports (and actual signed affidavits) of irregularities and fraud, why didn’t the DNC call for an investigation into the caucus results?
With so many complaints of irregularities, why didn’t superdelegates stop and question the legitimacy of the delegate count reported? As representatives of the people, why didn’t they look back to the pledged delegate count as determined
by the People’s Vote – the original votes cast and take note of Clinton’s 175,000 vote-victory margin over Obama and consider the flawed nature of the caucus system along with the small number of total votes the caucus-goers represented – before casting their votes which in the end selected Obama as the presumptive Democratic nominee? *Think about it: 239 delegates, nearly half of all caucus pledged delegates, were impacted! That is more than enough to skew or sway any competitive election. And with what justification: under-funded, Party-financed elections, inadequate
volunteers to staff and monitor the caucuses, sloppy audit and paper trail systems? The State Democratic parties that run and finance caucus elections should not follow a separate, less-compliant set of rules. The DNC should act quickly to reform caucus voting systems and State Parties must be mandated to comply or get out of the electioneering business.How is Democracy or the American voter served by the flawed caucus voting system or the Party’s blindness to it? Caucuses, while exemplary as a forum of debate and discussion, must be reformed or abandoned as a voting system before the next election cycle. Never again should the will of the majority of voters be thwarted by the will of the minority.
To read my original research entitled “2008 Democratic Presidential Preference Election: Primary versus Caucus: How millions of voters were systemically disenfranchised and election results were skewed” and to investigate caucus fraud issues further, go to: http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/statistics/ and http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/. I also recommend “Has America Outgrown the Caucus?” by Tova Wang a Democracy Fellow at The Century Foundation.
Another point to be made in terms of why the superdelegates did (or did not) do as they did was money, hence the *. I recommend this video by HRCinO8 to you – it is one you may have seen before, but it emphasizes how much money Obama shelled out to superdelegates.
These are excellent questions, Ms. Cronin. Another question raised in our email exchanges prior to this article was: Did ACORN have any involvement in the rampant caucus fraud that occurred this year? As of yet, I have no proof one way or the other, and would certainly be interested in any certifiable, authentic connections. It does seem plausible to me, though, given the extent of their voter registration fraud. Why would they do one and not the other?
And given the extent of that voter registration fraud, Ms. Cronin also questioned voting Third Party this year since the potential fraud is so pervasive that every vote against corruption is critical. While we know Gore actually won FL, the votes siphoned off to Nader made it easier to ignore the actual recount tally (post-Supreme Court decision). I think Ms. Cronin makes a good point regarding third party voting and the query about any connection to ACORN. I would like to thank her for making sense of all of the caucus irregularities and for showing, clearly, what we all suspected and knew in our hearts – that the DNC appointed Obama its nominee, not the votes or will of the people. For that, they have some ’splaining to do…
To read the full report, click on each page image to enlarge it:
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We are all fighting the party who stole the nomination from our candidate but the candidate has left the battlefield to join the very enemy that perpetrated the fraud leaving us to fight her battle.
Sad.. unbelievable. You know, I respect Hillary. I know she had to do what she did afterwards and that is support Barack…..yet…. it has all beeb so sickening…I am now loosing respect for the Clintons. How can they support this man? How? What Democratic Party are they stadnign up for? By supporting him so much, it is like saying all the poor DNC behaviour is ok.
Soon, if not already, she is not better than him nor the people that stole the election from her and from us.
Disgusting.
And……he is leading in the polls…..they will be laughing their asses off in the White House….Ayers, Wright, Plegfer, Dean, Pelosi…laughing at the Americans.
Ayers said …about the country and is malicious acts …. Guilty as sin and Free as a bird.
Ayers Acorn are both integrated and inimate with Barack….and it doesn’t even matter.
Sadly, very sadly, it is called living to fight another day. The Clintons (particularly Hillary) are in an untenable situation. If the current power structure remains (Pelosi, Dean, Reid, et al) — which will only be ensured by an Obama win, she still needs a place at the table so that she can continue to be a powerful Senator fighting for all if us, doing what she has done these past 8 years, reaching across the aisle to push through effective legislation.
She still has an agenda and a Senate seat and all of us).
If we are fortunate enough the the American public votes him down and elects McCain, then Dean et al, may, in one way or another, be sent packing and their influence will be diminished. And since she raised money for Obama and campaigned as she promised, no one can fault her (they will anyway, but that will dissipate). She is a woman of her word. That is worth something.
Am I happy about this? No. Did I want her to tell them all where to stick it — publicly? Yes.
But as Mimi, a regular poster here, pointed out some time back, she accomplishes nothing with an act of political suicide going out in a blaze of glory. We still need her in the Senate. Especially with the rest of the corrupt cadre around.
Further, the MSM would have continued to vilify her this fall had she not done this. It’s a blood sport. It is grotesque but I, for one, wish to see her live to fight another day.
I get irritated with criticism of her because I remember that she showed courage unlike any I have seen during this primary with the horrid drumbeat that the hit squad media leveled at her daily, together with Barack’s disrespect and misrepresentations and her own party stabbing her in the back. Palin only has to deal with it for 2 months and has her entire party and a number of Dems behind her — Hillary had her voters. That was it and the flogging went on for almost a year.
This party’s fix — as you see above — was so egregious and probably planned for a long while, I don’t see what else she could have done in this hostile environment. The media had the narrative of his “historic (b.s.) candidacy” and anyone who stood in the way was to be taken out.
They are still trying. All that stands between another incompetent and the White House are the voters. Let’s pray they know that and will act wisely.
Thank you. Hillary has been a hero in all of this. She had no protection from her own party. But she fought every day. She wants to make a difference. The Clinton’s understand the political world and how to remain viable. How to continue to make a difference. I will never criticize her in all of this. She could very well still be made the scapegoat in all of this. And she wants to get things done. That is her goal. And I admire her all the more for playing the political game that she must do to accomplish that.
OK here’s my problem. We all thought Hillary would make a great president. However, if she didn’t stand up to that fraud, how could she have stood up for us and our country.
Hillary was suppose to fight for us not the other way around. I supported Hillary and I gave her my money, it was all I could do to tolerate her stumping for “THE ONE”.
Now, I read she is stumping for Al Franken and gave him $75.000 from Hill PAC.
Franken penned a demeaning piece toward women, for Playboy Magazine called “Porn-O-Rama”.
Stick a fork in me I’m done folks.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/21/hillary_clinton_al_franken_and.html
If NQ is turning into an anti clinton blog, then I’m outta here.
Oh PLEASE.
1)Get over it…
2)Politics is not cut and dried, black and white no matter what your opinion is
3)Unless you understand the machinery that rests under the surface, you have no real cause to smash Hillary
Do I like the fact she’s propping this fraud up? Fuck no…Do I want her exterminated, excommunicated, and forced into exhile to never see another day in politics with actual power to do something?
That’s a bigger fuck no!!!!
Bill and Hillary are great, but they’re not freakin one man armies, jesus christ people. Look at the Roosevelt’s…when you have all the money men against just 2 people, what the hell do you whiners want?
1)Hillary has NOT gone out of her way to shill for obama (anything from the press stand out as vicious attacks against mccain or palin?! NO!
2)Has Bill attacked McCain or Palin?! NO!!
So get over yourselves, and focus your energy on the guy who subjugated Hillary with the help of the bitch donna brazile!
I agree with you 100%. The Clintons are doing what THEY have to do to try to salvage the pitiful tiny bit of our party that can be saved. I trust them and I am pretty sure I am voting for the same Presidential candidate that all of the Clintons are actually voting for.
NOBAMA No way No time not ever!
if hillary stood up for us now rather than campaigning for the fraud, she would have a power base so strong the dims couldn’t ignore her. she took the easier softer path after the primaries. face up to it. i know it’s hard, but there it is. i would still vote for her down the road but i’d be holding half my nose.
it would take real courage to do that. washington, fdr, truman, and lincoln all had that type of courage. ok, hillary we are waiting. remember how disgusted we were with powell before iraq? lack of courage there too. see he just did? we can’t say we weren’t warned.
The only thing I have to face up, is your suddenly popping up when the conversation turns to Hillary Clinton.
What part of HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE, and she STILL LOST because of uhbama’s fraud and cheating, and HILLARY’S BASE STILL wouldn’t be able to do anything no matter if she stood on a mountain and yelled OBAMA IS A RACEBAITER!
Stop using false logic….
Hillary Clinton is not the focus of the post; it’s cheating and fraud perpetrated by the DNC and uhbama.
Piss off
hey stodgie, weren’t you always a Obama guy?
It’s the “rock and a hard place” thing. Let’s say she makes such a claim. Either she is believed (which destroys the Democratic Party and liberalism along with it, leaving the country and the world to conservatism), or she isn’t (which destroys both her and Bill’s ability to do any future good in or out of politics, including keeping the corrupt wing of the Dems from doing too much damage; and which also means the two most able polticians in the country – and the only ones proven by Special Prosecutor to be squeaky-clean – get removed from the picture).
Hillary gave $75k to Franken. She is a walking zombie marching to the DNC puppet masters. They will never let her run against Obama. The DNC has played the gender card and the race card. They want to keep both groups down so that can have a CAUSE to fight. It is all fake. Hillary should stop campaigning for The One.
I agree. And I hate to say it, but I lost respect for both Clintons when they jumped on Oblahma’s wagon and allowed the racist narrative against them to continue.
Of course, I realize Oblahma couldn’t apologize for his camp and surrogates “misinterpreting” the Clintons’ remarks – because he planned to pull the same scam against McCain, FALSELY accusing him of racist remarks – and all other future opponents who question THE ONE.
Obamabots and the media will forever associate the Clintons with “racism” during the primary – and carry that narrative into the history books and future generations.
Sad.
But I’m over the Dem Party and now a registered Republican – and voted for McCain/Palin.
YaaaaaY!
your respect means so much.
To not a single soul walking on this earth.
Funny, I haven’t heard – and, notably, you didn’t provide any evidence of – the racist narrative continuing against the Clintons since Hillary kept her word and started campaigning for Obama. That’s becuase it hasn’t: Once you start supporting The One, all is forgiven. Remember how Obama just last week referred to Colin Powell a “great statesman”? No more need be said.
Now I am really pissed off, knowing that her campaign has not yet paid me for renting them space in Texas back in March to prepare for the primaries.
She is NOT.
Good grief, it helps to understand how politics works. A politician can’t abandon their own party–unless, like Mike Bloomberg, they are independently wealthy.
You help people, they help you.
FRANKEN is a STRONG friend to the Clintons–a STRONG ONE. He has been for decades.
And if he gets in, he’ll campaign for her…in 2012.
If the Clintons had bucked their party, do you think that there is ANY chance that they wouldn’t have been totally savaged, called turncoats, poor losers, whiners, etc.? I believe that Bill went as far as he dared when he said nice things about McCain and gave a lukewarm, impersonal endorsement of Obama (wink, wink..)
I don’t know what I would have done in Hillary’s shoes but I can’t judge her. It was really up to someone else whose motive could not be questioned to address this travesty — such as a Finegold etc. and call Obama on his crap but no absolutely one stepped forward. Very sad!
Oops — sorry about the duplicate entry below. Don’t know what happened. Is there any way that I could delete it?
Got it – no worries!
they wouldn’t have been totally savaged, called turncoats, poor losers, whiners, etc.?
And this is different from what happened to her how?
Look. Hillary is a politician. She knows enough never to turn her back to any of these people in her party. She also has to have come to realize that her future either lies outside of elective office if 0bama WINS or she has to live to fight another day. If you expected a SAINT, go find a Catholic church. If you want a smart, savy politician whose instincts are excellent, then you found her. She just couldn’t fight the fix.
Remember; COUNTRY FORTS, Party affiliation is not even 2nd, because we – the people are there. Hillary choose Party, and that is why I can not stand behind Her, She choose to support DNC, knowingly!!!
2012 Oh please some of you need to wake up, get off this nonsense Hillary is washed up and done, thanks to Obama and the DNC
That’s a funny line..’washed up and done’.
Fuck ya…:) At least she’ll go down in history books with a page on being a President’s wife, as First Lady. Her portrait will forever hang in the White House.
Too bad uhbama will never see what the feels like, or mechelle.
I think she’ll be a great asset in the Senate.
actually hell yes she can say no more. to actually write that she HAS TO DO THIS IS JUST BULL. look at history! heck even lieberman got away with it. in israel another party was formed when it suited them. teddy roosevelt did it. geez! stop thinking in terms that the dims are all powerful. do you honestly believe they might just get their butts kicked in two years?
except lieberman is getting kicked of of one of his subcommittees…
That worked out well.
And, I haven’t seen your name around here before, you’re coming here bashing Clinton. piss off.
Can Lieberman change parties? I wish he would stick it to them and just do it! I for one am sick of the Dems thinking they have the right to claim that they are for the poor, elderly, civil rights, the environment and so on. I think now is the time to redefine what a republican is.
I still find it funny that I am voting a straight rebpub ticket when I have never voted repub once. Once I stopped drinking the Kool-aid, I figured out that I was more closed minded than I thought.
destardi, put a sock in it. i am on and off here for months. i supported hillary and have the RIGHT TO CRITICIZE HER AS WELL. when we reach the point that these politicans are above criticism then we are dead as a country. SHE IS WRONG TO SUPPORT OBAMA. other would be candidates have remained quiet and worked some for their previous rivals. but she is doing way more than is required. got it!
Well, I guess you live in a perfect world, with sunny days every day.
I guess you live in a dreamworld, where you never have to make hard decisions and do things that aren’t “popular.”
And I’ve never “put a sock in it” yet.
STODGHIE, I OWE YOU APOLOGY for insinuating you’re not a Hillary supporter; I googled your name.
Just doesn’t seem right to be criticizing a woman who can’t please everyone.
Also, Al Franken is one of the four candidates Hillary is specifically promoting as being the kind we need more of in Congress. Since he’s a Wellstone Dem *and* a Clinton Dem, I agree wholeheartedly.
I honestly am left speechless when it comes to Franken.
Hmmmm….Jackie you might be interested in this story..and in the comments section although a democrat a like minded individual to yourself.
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/obamas-muslim-outreach-problems-coincidental-get-rea
Maybe the Clintons need a new party to belong to and just maybe others would follow. As it stands now they sadly look like just another pair of Democratic pols…very sad indeed
Yes , You are right, they should do this, right after DNC spit in Hillary face, and CNN,MSNBC step all over Hillary, as now they are doing to Palin!!!
I can not stand looking Hillary and Bill pretend, tha everything is OK, and is time to support Obama. No WAY, this is not good, and I can not stand this.This is fo damn!!!
Yes. Thank you, Ani. She would be finished if she didn’t do what she is doing. This post affirms what we (and the DNC) already knew. She won the nomination, but Obama is too small to acknowedge her by asking her to be his VP. We can only hope Biden keeps running his mouth over the next two weeks and hands the election to McCain. That would be beautiful justice.
do you honestly believe Hillary will get a damn thing passed in the Senate with all of the far left wing nuts in there?? NO. She is one person. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for her perpetrating with Obama to be in the driver’s seat of our country as dangerous as he is-NO EXCUSE. She has lost my respect.
And my respect also…just another pol
I have been trying to stay sith my support of Clinton, but it is getting harder to do. We all know that kissing ass or not, the same people who stabbed her int he back will never support her. She i kissing ass to have some future? Who will help her? Only us here. And she can help that SOB who scares the bejesus out of us? Hillary your thinking is skewed. The DNC hates you. Accept it!
no excuse. Now She and Bill are their drivers!!!
Lost my respect!!!
Well said Ani.
I pay attention to the details. She has NOT bashed Palin. She has kept her own support messages clean. Just straight campaign talk.
I don’t have a problem with that. Plus, she has maintained her good standing within the party she needs to “work” in the future for bills, etc. They cannot fault her now.
Ani, well said. It IS hard to watch her stump for this chump, but we all know that she would never get ANYTHING done in the Senate if she didn’t. Like I said the other day, it’s like freakin’ junior high school with the pettiness and vindictiveness.
So, no, I’m not turning my back on Hillary Clinton for a second. I am angry as hell that the DNC did, though.
Thanks for the great comments!
she choose Party FIRST, She has choice and She should live DNC. For me, She is not as strong as we all though, now She is part of corrupted DNC.
Great post Amy.
I’m not turning my back on Hillary either.
As much as I wanted Hillary to be the candidate and as much as I think was the only qualified candidate of the two, for me, this isn’t about Hillary anymore. It’s about the D Party misrepresenting themselves to me regarding their stance on voting rights. Either they never were who they said they were ( ie, champion of voting rights,to say nothing of womens’ rights) or they have changed their position to one that I abhor. In either case my solution to the problem is the same; terminate the relationship.
I would not have such behavior in a personal relationship, and I won’t have it here either.
I agree that it isn’t about Hillary — it has gone way beyond that. It is now about preserving our Democracy from an autocracy and a corrupt media.
Oh, I couldn’t agree more. I’m not about to support a bunch of DNC backroom deals and shenanigans.
Frankly, that type of unethical behavior has been the crux of the problem in the economic meltdown. It’s completely irresponsible not only to the public but also, as everyone now sees, to the entire world.
I would not be able to sleep at night knowing I voted for more of that.
What you are really saying is that We the People have no clout with our vote; that our votes are like a big rock in the middle of a river and both political parties just flow over or around it like it isn’t even there.
Even if Senator Clinton had fought back, she could not do it alone. Not one elected person stood with her. Political corruption corrupting absolutely.
And although “conspiracy theories” are like paranoia (”just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean I’m not being followed”) it doesn’t mean that collusion of a political system isn’t a conspiracy.
The data, the testimony all say coordinated collusion between media, between superdelegates and party leaders. It appears that the only ones out of the loop were We the People, the voters! No wonder Soertoro/Obama contemptuously labeled us “low information voters” – we were in the dark about the plot to overthrow our election process.
How is it possible that the media that thrives on breaking that big story totally ignores the election fraud and court cases demanding eligibility confirmation surrounding Barry/Barack Soertoro/Obama to investigate a small Alaskan incident called “troopergate” if not for collusion and conspiracy.
Yep and Donna Brazile said early on they didn’t need a bunch of us voting to win. Guess she knew they were going to poison and buy this election and sleaze their way into the WH. Who knew they would flaunt this illegality out in the open, in our faces, via the media and possibly get away with it. Sometimes you have to wonder why we even go through the motions of voting in the first place. It’s such a corrupted process now, from one end to the other and then you have the electorals deciding the ending anyway. Very discouraging to say the least.
this is exactly what the Obama camp want Hillary supporters to do turn your back on her!!!
I never saw Hillary stand down until the charade in Denver…. she kept going and it was recently she went on the stump if u can call it for “that one”
That camp want to make sure Hillary is not in a position to come back and everyone turning their back on her are basically helping “that one….”
It’s a game their playing and sadly for Hillary to go another day she has to look as through she supports this run in the GE…
I am sure it tears at both Bill & Hillary!
The DNC needs to be purged and no better 2 to do it whilst being on the sidelines.
it can not be THE GAME, when comes to OUR COUNTRY, Clintons are supporting someone who stub them, and going along with traitors as;Richardson,Edwards,Reid,Dean and others.How someone can be on same page with those people. How can anyone pretend , that everything is OK, I am with You no metter what. This is about US, not them!!!
CS….I agree. That type of thinking is not conspiracy thinking to me.
It is a lesson in group think, however.
Excellent post CS.
Support the only Honorable Candidate in the race.
I will have to completely disagree with you doc..Hillary fought back and when it came down to it the people (delegates in Denver) caved. The pledged delegates did not perform their duty, which they were elected to do they allowed themselves to be intimidated, pushed around and they assisted in the most blatant act of stealing this election for obama. Hillary is keeping her word and though I hate seeing her support this sleaze bag, I completely respect her and understand this has been her party a lot longer than these corrupt little punks that have, for the time, stolen my party.
The responsibility for righting this wrong is not in Hillary’s hands it is in our hands, it is our responsibility to stand up and say HELL NO! And I sure as hell intend to do that November 4th by voting against my party and hopefully there are enough people with guts out there who will do the same thing, to ensure this NEVER happens again.
I agree with You. Clintons should change party, this was the bast choice, but with time more and more people are thinking as we !!!
I am questioning Clintons no action, after what DNC and Obama gang did. Now they are (Obamas) what they did to Clinton and taking on especjaly Palin.
MSNBC.CNN.Progressive Radio with ED SHULTZ(clown)and Randy Rhode, Mario….
They are selling US to crime ritten “new” Washington Politicians, it is worse then ever in USA history.
McCain is to soft on Obama , and it will cost Him dearly. Republicans are not united behind their man, shame on them!!! Why no one is telling US the true story about Social Security???It is all about Democratic Party, why Republicans are not telling America, who screw up SS.???
pm 317 — I think this is what Bill Clinton is going to talk about on November 5th. Obama is just a thug and The Clintons were a class act not to destroy the Democratic Party for what it did to them. F Nancy and the rest of the Bastards for not only destroying the credibility of Bill and Hillary but for dumping their base as well.
What will stay in my heart forever is the fact that Pelosi decided not to take up the credit crunch because she said it would make a perfect issue just before the election — according to Karl Rove. Its unforgivable that she allowed banks to go under and so many people to lose their money so she could have this issue for the Fall election.
However, running a close second is Pelosi forcing Hillary out of the race. Cream will rise and The Clintons will be running the party before long. Until then I am working as hard as I can to get McCain elected. I feel blessed that I have McCain and Palin to put my heart and soul into.
Bill Clinton won’t be able to talk on Nov 5th if the Fraud wins and that is the risk the Clintons are taking now and putting all of us who care about integrity in jeopardy. I understand politically Hillary had to do what she is doing but could there have been a line drawn and say I am not going to do anymore beyond this? I think there could have been a line drawn to protect herself but at the same tell the fraud that she was not going to sell her soul to elect him.
You got it. The candidate we voted for had the election stolen from her. But now “she will live on to fight another day”. She will fight another day for the GLORIOUS PARTY–NOT FOR THE COUNTRY. She is now fighting for her glorious commrade Obama and country be damned while she tries to protect her political ass from extinction in a party that no longer exists. Good riddance.
Yes, PM, how ironic and tragic that the Clintons are stumping for the POS, Obama. For me, the Democratic Party will henceforth be the Evil Party. Never will I ever trust them. I came to this site as an unhappy Republican open to anything, anything but Obama. I shall re-register as an Independent. I have already voted and it was Republican down the ticket, but the fringe parties are now looking more and more interesting.
Do you not understand the political parties threaten people like Hillary to make them cooperate? The two major parties have become nothing more than mafias. Do you think Hillary really believes Obama will be a good president and we should all vote for him? Absolutely not. John McCain didn’t support Dubya either, but he had to finally get out and campaign for him in 2004 or lose his standing in the Republican Party. Hillary is in the same situation now. The DNC could take her Senate seat away from her, then she’d have no influence at all.
THe bad people who have stolen control of our country want voters to turn on the few good leaders who are left. Don’t give in to them. We know the Clintons care about this country and hope to get back in the WH. Don’t desert them.
Huffington reported that she heard McCain say that he voted for Gore in 2000. She meant to tarnish McCain with his party, but that vote is telling and looks real good to a lot of us former Dems right now.
Hmmmm…lol…when was the last time anything resembling truth came outta HUFFBLO’S MOUTH…LOL…TRUTHINESS AIN’T THE SAME AS TRUTH
When will her readers understand that she’s a REPUBLICAN? I don’t think she’s lost her attitude. She’s just pulling a Willie Sutton.
Every time Hillary speaks for Obama, every time she begs us to join her in enabling the abuser, every time that brilliant woman prostrates herself at his feet. Those are the times that I, the newly minted male feminist, knows in my heart that this is when it has to stop.
Win or lose, the line must be drawn.
That is my complaint too. I perfectly understand the political machinations for what she had to do. But where is the line? She had to have said to the fraud I won’t be held to a different standard from other runner ups and sell my soul pimping for you. She is not doing that knowing how influential she can be to ignorant GE voters who knew nothing of what happened in the primary, and that makes me angry.
I just cannot stand to see Hillary and Obama hug on each other. Gives me the creeps! Did anyone else see how red Uhbama’s eyes were at his speech yesterday? A little freaky. I did take note of how even MSNBC and CNN did not make that speech front and center. I did not even see it on their front page.
I won’t fight for someone who won’t fight for themselves which is why I decided to mail in my ballot for Mack and
CheeseSarah (the lovely).I still believe that Hillary is fighting this battle. My theory is that she has to make it look as if she supports this fraud. Then when all hell breaks loose she can say she had nothing to do with it and tha she is appalled at what BO has done. She definitly knows how to keep her enemies close.
I produced We Will Not Be Silenced. I can’t even look at the footage without crying my eyes out. I’ve seen it 100 times in the process and I still cry. Please do go look at it. The link is in my name too. We have a ton more footage as well. From the BS “roll call” in Denver and from delegated who were threatened to either tow the line for Obama or lose their credentials as delegates, etc. Very sad that this country rewards behavior like this from the DNC and Obama. The DNC is the most vile, corrupt, dangerous political machine in this country’s history and they chose an equally vile, dangerous, corrupt candidate, while throwing a true politician and great lady under the bus. My heart is broken. What can we do? We have submitted the film to EVERY news source. EVERY SINGLE ONE and they ignore us. Even Fox sadly. The WSJ says they will do a story but even with Peniel’s (she is in our film by the way) amazing documentation, and Dr. Lynette Long’s, they “aren’t sure we proved it yet.” I believe the WSJ will get it together to tell our story and conquer their fear of the Obama machine. But what’s it going to TAKE for people to wake up and see what REALLY happened in this election? This is one of the big reasons we should ALL hope for a big McCain win. Howie and his thugs need to learn that they can’t commit fraud, silence voters, screw the Constitution, cheat, lie and steal and get rewarded with a win. Thanks for posting the link to our film. We get incredible feedback daily and hope that in spreading the word more people rethink their asinine vote for Obama.
I saw your film. It was heartbreaking to watch a woman who once marched with MLK have her vote stolen by Obama’s caucus goons. I wanted to reach out and touch her and say: “But weren’t Bull Connor and George Wallace the thugs who fought you in the sixties Democrats as well?”
I really am hard pressed to say what the Democratic Party does besides steal votes, steal money and kill as many unborn babies as it can.
Ohmygosh – I wrote a post last night on this documentary! Hopefully, it will be in NQ soon.
I cried when I watched it, honestly. I couldn’t get it out of my head for DAYS. Very haunting, and shocking, that this is what the DNC has become.
And JohninCA, I specifically mention the Civil Rights worker – that was gut/heart wrenching…
OBAMA IS A FRAUD, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for producing that brilliant work – everyone should see it (and very cool that Peniel is in it, too).
Now might be the time to send it around again…
Have you looked into doing radio interviews and PR for less mainstream press first, to get the ball rolling. I understand that Phil Berg’s case was covered on Coast to Coast AM? That’s a HUGE audience.
Don’t just start at the top with CNN and FOX. There are a ton of media outlets you should be talking to, don’t give up, get your film out there. Do you have any sort of marketing or PR person helping you?
Obama is a Fraud–Perhaps if/when McCain wins Bill Clinton will come out and tell the real story of this election as he has planned to do. Then your film will be worth a fortune to every news source.
I hope that each person who reads this blog will go to http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm and watch that video. And then, start an email campaign to get the media to pay attention to the caucus fraud and irregularities documented. They are certainly relevant now given the ACORN stories of fraud in many battleground states.
I’m also going to remind people of this fact: Staying a home, voting for a third party candidate, writing in Hillary’s name… ALL those options accomplish one thing … they help put Obama in office! And that rewards him for his actions.
Also: Remember Florida 2000 – Gore “lost” by 537 votes … Nadar had over 97,000. Think about how different our country would be today if Al Gore had been President for the last 8 years instead of W.
Presidential Candidate
George W. Bush (W)
2,912,790
Al Gore
2,912,253
Ralph Nader
97,421
Please, please don’t waste your vote. With all the new voter regisratins in Ohio, Florida, CO, NM, etc … along with the ACORN tactics in each state … your vote could very well be the difference between an Obama win or not!
— peniel cronin
I think the election is already rigged in Obama’s favor. The corporations have taken over this country. People think Obama is the savior, but he is the corporate candidate this time around.
There’s an article at Real Clear Politics by Steven Start of the Boston Phoenix called “Long National Nightmare”. He paints what to him would be a total disaster but for us here would be a fabulous dream scenario. It outlines a hypothetical series of events that puts McCain in the White House.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/long_national_nightmare.html
Or check out “Gasp — What is the Pundits are wrong” lead line at Real Clear Politics
I read the Pundits wrong article. That AP poll flipped everyone. *hehe
I was sure hoping to see some other polls tightening.
Have you tried the Canadian press?
Here is some of their stuff. They are not afraid to speak out. They are afraid too. They are chanting things like God Bless America.
Questions for the Undecided
How many federal programs does congress have to bankrupt before you realize that Washington is not as good a steward of your earnings as you are?
Does it matter that Barack Obama has a blank résumé and a life full of relationships he won’t discuss openly and honestly?
Do you realize that increased taxes on “Wall Street” translates into higher retail prices, lower wages and lost employment on “Main Street?”
For those of you who “support the troops,” does it matter to you that except for the black vote, active duty troops of all branches, all ages and all ranks support McCain 3-to-1 over Obama?
Does is matter to you that it is Democrats who have blocked domestic oil production and refining for thirty years, leaving America 70% dependent upon foreign energy sources
Does it matter to you that Democrats created through the Community Reinvestment Act and ACORN, then covered up in Democrat controlled congressional oversight committees, the current mortgage crisis at the root of our financial crisis?
Does it matter that the HYPERLINK “http://www.puma08.com/” “party of the people” ignored the voice of “the people” in Florida and Michigan to push Obama ahead of Clinton when Clinton had 500,000 more supporters?
Does it matter that the Obama campaign is counting on ACORN fraudulent voters to “win” this election?
Does it matter that the man currently leading the race for the highest office in the land has as of today, refused to present a valid birth certificate to prove legal U.S. citizenship, even after being sued in three states?
Does it matter that Obama is taking in tens of millions in campaign contributions from unidentified foreign sources?
Does it matter to you that Obama’s promise to “spread wealth” is a promise to confiscate and spread your hard earned wealth? It matters to Joe and Tito!
If this is not enough, – if you can look at all of these hard facts and remain undecided, something is very – very wrong… If you won’t even bother to consider the facts surrounding this election, that is even more wrong. I have even included easy links so that there can be no missing the facts stated herein.
Rhetoric vs. Reality
There is no debate over who has run the most effective campaign in this election cycle. Obama is the better speaker, the better debater, the better fund raiser and by far the better Pied Piper with an almost hypnotic hold on his cult followers who clearly couldn’t care less about any of these easily confirmed facts. Does this make him the better choice for Commander-in-Chief?
As I write, yet another investigative report is released concerning massive campaign funding fraud within the Obama campaign.
Obama Ignores Credit Card Donation Fraud
What do Bart Simpson, Family Guy, Daffy Duck, King Kong, O.J. Simpson, and Raila Odinga have in common? – All are celebrities; and with the exception of Odinga and O.J. Simpson, they also are fictional characters. And yet, all of them gave money earlier this month to the campaign of Barack Obama, without any apparent effort by the campaign to screen them out as suspect donors. FULL STORY HERE…
In short, the Obama campaign is potentially the most effective fraud ever perpetrated upon the American electorate and it is clear that the so-called “main stream press” has been running active interference for the Obama campaign since day one… For heavens sake, we knew more about Joe the Plumber in 24 hours than we know about Obama after almost two years of unchallenged campaigning…
The Cult of False Hope and Wrong-Headed Change
Every American desires “hope.” Which change promises the right kind of “hope,” the promise of continued individual freedom to define and pursue individual happiness, or the “hope” found only in the false promise of “free stuff,” confiscated from you and redistributed by Obama?
Every American looks at Washington DC and demands “change.”
What kind of “change?” The kind of change that removes more individual rights and replaces them with expanded federal rights and powers? Or the kind that seeks to reaffirm and renew traditional American values of individual self-reliance and self-governance?
No election in U.S. history has ever been more important. – - – No two choices of leadership have ever been clearer.
If you can consider all of the real facts involved, separate false campaign rhetoric and slick stump speeches from real life long accomplishments and heroic service from a man who has on many occasions, put his country ahead of his party and his life, and still remain undecided, there is really nothing left to say.
Joe the Plumber said it in very certain si
In short, the Obama campaign is potentially the most effective fraud ever perpetrated upon the American electorate and it is clear that the so-called “main stream press” has been running active interference for the Obama campaign since day one… For heavens sake, we knew more about Joe the Plumber in 24 hours than we know about Obama after almost two years of unchallenged campaigning…
EXACTLY!
I have looked at quite a few international blogs/papers. Many of them are telling us Americans to wake up. After looking at the numbers last night on NQ about the number of Americans who watch the news, including cable, I was surprised at how many voters must be ill-informed. They seem to not have a clue about what is going on.
The saving grace is that the number of conservative radio programs that do reach millions and millions of people.
I used to be a Bill Maher fan…can’t stand to watch him anymore. I was also a Chris Matthews junkie during the past few elections. This whole primary process has taken its toll on many of us. I feel like I am a whole new person, a better and more informed person
because of everything that has happened.
We can make a difference…phone bank next week for McCain/Palin.
Great Article Rev. Amy…You Rock! this stuff matters because it will be attempted in the general.Although there are no caucuses…Obama will still try to game the system and exploit it with the same tactics. I’m from Texas and they quit counting the results at 40%…just gave it to Obama!!!
Keep up the Good Fight O is a fraud..Good Film.
this trend started in 2000…and blossomed into the Hornswaggle we have now…Aaaand we Gotta stop it.
REPUBLICA PRIMO!
COUNTRY FIRST!
I went to your site watched all of the films i just wanted to cry,After 48 years of being a Dem. i am ashame of what has happen to this party so after Nov.4th i will no longer be a part of it.To lose is one thing to be cheated is not something i want a part of.So i will be voting for McCAIN/PALIN
Thank you for your hard work everyone should see it.
I hate those stupid cauci!
WE MUST GET RID OF THEM! They are not Democracy at its best. Nope.
Besides—no one should ever know whom I am voting for. Then they can’t intimidate me.
Joe the Plumber said it in very certain simple terms…
This election is about Senator Government vs. common everyday Americans like Joe. It’s about tax-recipients vs. tax-payers. It’s about government employees, their unions and politicians bought with millions in union dues, against those who pay their payroll.
If you OBOTS still don’t get it… Maybe you can soon learn the hard way.
Yes, the obots love to dance around and think they are so enlightened and post racial and wonderful because they support “the one”.
They are so ugly and hostile to anyone with that is ringing the warning bell, calling us all sorts of names and threatening violence for doing so. What they do not realize is that they will be as affected by “the one’s” administration as us. He will continue to do nothing for black people, and if he turns out to take the “Worst President Ever” title from Bush, even the idea that having a black president as a shining example of a post racial America will be tarnished.
What makes me sad for our country, is that now I am questioning the ethics of my countrymen. Who could vote for a man such as Obama? Just knowing about the how he was first elected to state senate in Illinois and the caucus fraud ALONE should make people look closer at this man. The fact that people are excusing so many ethical questions about him concerns me more than anything.
I hate those stupid cauci!
WE MUST GET RID OF THEM! They are not Democracy at its best. Nope.
Besides—no one should ever know whom I am voting for. Then they can’t try to intimidate me.
You were so brave — you went to the next level of the caucus circus and put up with even more horrid Obamabots.
I knew that if I went to another caucus I’d start screaming at the Obama-butt head idiots.
Even after 6 months I’m still pissed that the WA state dems leadership forced a f*&*&ing damned caucus on us — rather than the primary vote — which we tax payers funded.
The damned Dems should be sued for theft. Riverdaughter is also pissed off big time — New Jersey VOTED and spent millions voting — and in the end the will of the people was ignored and the stupid delegates rolled over the whatever the hell is name is this week — O-zero.
Any lawyers out there — can the DNC be sued by voters for fraud?
Damned caucus — I will NEVER participate in caucus BS again. NEVER!
To hell with the WA state democaca party.
Thankfully we DO have an option and that is to VOTE for McCain and Palin.
I’m having a hard time forgiving Hillary — she should have walked out and become an Independent. The democrat party is DEAD.
The grief and anger will subside and Hill will come out stinging. It’s birthday time for Lady Scorpio and she will surge ahead..give it time. It’ll all come out in the wash.
Is that why they decided to give Obama 4 of Hillary’s Michigan delegates? Remember the whole, “Oh, IF people would have voted, based on exit polls . . .” So, they gave Obama delegates and then added an extra 4 of Hillary’s, equal to 16,000 votes.
So if any of this was disputed, they would make sure that Obama had those extra 4 delagates.
This all makes me so ill.
Not only did they steal the votes from Hill but Obama bypassed her for VP. Double insult. And now she is helping BHO is PA. Triple insult.
Exactly!!
And now MSNBC has teamed up with ACORN to MAKE SURE Oblahma is elected!
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/22/msnbc_teams_up_with_acorn,_la_raza
Exactly!!
And now MSNBC has teamed up with ACORN to MAKE SURE Oblahma is Selected!
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/22/msnbc_teams_up_with_acorn,_la_raza
YES! PSIG The Cauci, and we know as Hillary Delegates from WA, that they were completely and totally fraudulent.
When I went, I was asked to show zero ID, was not checked against any lists, I gave them my name and some lame-o wrote my name on a post it.
Iraq has better elections
Barry Davis will NEVER be my president.
I will be a woman w/o a president until he croaks or 4 is impeached or it is 2012.
They didn’t ask for ID at the county cauci either. I said, “Don’t you want to see some ID?” The guy told me I looked honest enough. No one had to show their ID! Even at the District Cauci (the next one). I asked there too and was told it wasn’t needed. Not even my voters registration card was needed.
NOTHING!
But then you continued with the scam (pardon if that is not what you intended to imply with your line of thought).
I don’t want really to argue my points of view of Hillary’s responsibility in what went on. And I don’t because it would have happened to me exactly or worse than what happened to her.
But we in this country always need a group (groupy) to validate our next action. We need others to support us, etc. etc… and a union and be unionized and a bus and etc. etc.
When something is wrong, don’t participate in it. Withdraw. Claim your rights that it be done right. But you continued forward and participated in the fiasco. Had Hussein Obama got results similar to Hussein Saddam with 100 percent caucus votes for him because Hillary’s supporter refused to participate in such a scam, then it would have been different.
But hindsight is 20/20, I know. I don’t blame you. But I blame the way we are and the way we have been so trained to do what’s wrong because everyone is doing it or because no one cares.
God I should have driven to WA and voted for Hillary! ‘Like to see them try and intimidate and get me to change my mind…I’d have taken over the cauci myself…
Many states have eliminated the ID laws, which were often abused in the past to prohibit citizens from voting.
Same in TX! No ID’s checked, not checking to see if that person was in our precinct or had voted in the primary (those are conditions to vote in the first caucus in TX).
Ah, you were a Hillary delegate too, Bell’Artista? That makes four of us that I know of, on this site alone.
I have a theory about what might be going on, so please chime in. The media had left Sarah alone for a few days then BAM, they start up again on her, now this all came around the time that Joe Biden’s SCARY remarks came out which the Communist News Network(CNN) and MSNBC tried so hard to ignore and edited it pretty well, instead of showing the FULL tape, Ok so back to what I was saying, I think they are attacking Sarah again now because they know Obama’s poll numbers are starting to tank, they saw the AP article which shows McCain and Obama tied, they see that that other poll which is always pretty reliable that shows McCain within 3, my opinion, they know Obama is in trouble, especially with what Joe said, so they are using Sarah to try to deflect focus off of Joe Biden’s comments. Obama must be in trouble otherwise they wouldn’t bother. Ya know I am SO upset over this, what has happened to the media, it is the USSR, what the hell happened, it’s like McCain has to beat Obama and the media too. Ya know, I just hope that Sarah wins, so that she can go in front of the media and tell them all to go F themselves, now THAT is worth seeing. This isn’t journalism what we are saying, we are all seeing rats in a maze going around and around trying to find the cheese, journalism, TRUE journalism died a long time ago, it just took some of us til now to figure it out
Yes. They did the same with Hillary in the primaries. The MSM would attack her relentlessly to either bury an Obama scandal or suppress her votes. Right now, the media is trying to distract people from Joe the Plummer and Joe Biden scaring the hell out of people. So they go on a vicious attack on Palin. I hope there is a backlash with voters.
jackie–those voting for McCain/Palin are not paying attention anymore. They are so worried about an Obama Presidency and a descent into Socialism that they could care less what the filthy scum media says. Biden has tried to warn us many times about Obama’s real agenda. What he said was scary however, if true and Obama did take money from these middle east countries, they are going to want pay back 6 months after he is in office. If Obama doesn’t give them what they want the US and Israel are in for some rough times. Biden is not allowed to speak to the media anymore but I want to take this opportunity to thank him for his courage in revealing all this.
Two VERY Different Candidates
One candidate is well-known for his brutal honesty, often at the expense of his own political career. The other is now well-known for his laundry list of overt self-serving lies.
One is a true American war hero and respected patriot. The other has never served anyone but himself.
One has a long life of well balanced experience. The other has a completely blank résumé.
One is proud to talk about his life and his associations over many years. The other is running away from his past and all of his life associations.
One is trying to sell American principles of “freedom” to voters. The other is trying to sell anti-American principles of “free-stuff” to voters.
When placed in these simple terms which should be obvious to any honest American seeking to accurately assess these two candidates, how can anyone be undecided at this late hour?
Also, news came out about MEchelle charging a huge room service bill for lobster and champagne to the taxpayers so now the MSM has a story that the RNC spent $150,000 on Sarah’s wardrobe. So what?
Is a conspiracy to commit fraud legally. The same conspiracy that rating agencies, banks and F/F made with unqualified borrowers. Legal but bankruptcy prone. The MSM conspiracy attempts against the heart of democracy. They want to kill us.
What’s the other poll within 3?
It’s really simple. Hillary won the popular vote and, without the fraud, won the Caucuses and therefore the delegates. Now, can we all take a moment to think of how DIFFERENT this entire race would have been had it been McCain and Hillary? Two adult politicians with brains, respect, dignity, class and experience. Instead we got the sickness and viral disease of Obama. It’s really not fair. I wanted to have a CHOICE based on ISSUES, rather than live in fear of my life that a McCain loss equals the loss of my life as I know it.
Wouldn’t we all have loved to see debates between Hillary and Johnny Mac — two people who genuinely love their country but differ on the issues.
I was so looking forward to that. It truly is one of the greatest things the DNC stole from me.
ani — I would have loved to see debates between Hillary and McCain, who are close personal friends. It would have felt so good to know that no matter which one won — that American wouldn’t lose.
Had they debated we would have understood clearly our present problems and would be able to vote for the one that presented the best solutions and everyone would have confidence in the future.
Well Said. Everyone should be afraid of Obama. I wasn’t exactly a Hillary Fan. Compared to BHO she is center-left as opposed to left-left-left.
And this whole election going back to the primaries has exposed the DNC and the Media for what it is. We have to stand together (us little people no matter what affiliation) and fight the media together. Or else we lose democracy.
geo — I was working on the Hillary Campaign while she was running and now that I am working on McCain’s Campaign what I hear from Republicans is an enormous respect for Hillary. They feel as we do — they might not have agreed with her on the issues but felt perfectly safe to have her as our President.
Use this information to fight even harder. We MUST. Vote early and bring the people in you neighborhood…we need to get every vote out everywhere. They stole the election from Hillary and are now trying to steal the country from all Americans. THEY MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dem. party lost me as a voting member and my $$$. I have already cast my vote for McCain and felt no guilt in doing so. They crapped on democracy and for that, I will never go back.
http://www.contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/
ANDY MARTIN IN HONOLULU SECURES PROOF THAT BARACK OBAMA IS NOT BARACK OBAMA
HE IS THE SON OF COMMUNIST FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS, FRIEND OF STANLEY ANNE DUNHAM’S FATHER
THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT
BARRY’S FATHER TAUGHT HIM HOW TO DO A COMMUNIST TAKEOVER
http://www.contributors.blogsome.com/2008/10/09/god-bless-you-marion-valentine/
THE FBI CALLED IT THE DAVIS PLAN
Barack Obama Groomed By New Party Radicals For Socialist Puppet Regime
The following is an article written as a comment by one of our visitors, Marion Valentine. Marion is a shining example of a very rare breed these days — a true American Patriot.
The Davis Plan and Connections to Obama
In 1963, while serving in Navy Intelligence (from 1958-1967), I read the FBI file on Frank Marshall Davis. He had outlined the Communist plan to take over America from within, by installing educators at all levels of our educational system, gaining control of the media, getting Liberal judges appointed, recruiting, training and backing people to be elected to public office.
I have researched every piece of legislation I can find that the Liberal Democrats have passed since the early sixties, and if you will research for yourself, you will find that they have been slowly moving this country towards Socialism.
When Obama announced he was running for President as an unknown with only one major speech at the DNC (that the DNC and MSM made so much fuss over), he aroused my old Intel suspicions. So I started researching.
I have not found any evidence to convince me he is a Muslim, but I did find his radical associations were unusual. I found that Frank Marshall Davis, who had fled from Chicago to Hawaii in 1958 because of the FBI investigation, met Obama in Hawaii when Obama was 12 years old, and was Obama’s mentor from then till Davis died in 1987.
Davis put Obama in touch with the Socialist Party in Chicago (called the New Party) which Ayers is also a member of, therefore the first “Planned” contact with Ayres. The New Party helped launch and finance Obama’s political Career. Obama…..selected, trained, groomed, and scripted to become the “puppet” leader of the United Socialist States of America.
Since I am in the 4th and final stage of congestive heart failure and will be lucky to live long enough to see the next President take office, why should this election matter to me? Why does Obama’s statement, that he wants a “National Civilian Security Force” as strong and as well-funded as our military (conjuring up images of the old-style USSR police state) matter to me?
IT’S SIMPLE… I LOVE AMERICA
This infiltration of the Democratic Party began several decades ago. Soviet espionage has been traced to the Roosevelt administration; our anti-communist allies were left hanging (quite literally) in Operation Keelhaul (where anti-Soviet refugees were handed over to Joe Stalin), at Yalta and later in the Chinese civil war.
In 1952, Dwight David Eisenhower won a landslide victory with the slogan Korea-Corruption-Communism.
I don’t know that these Obama-is-a-commie charges are true; it’s more important to recall forgotten facts so that decent Americans can clean out the collectivist/socialist element from the Democratic Party, or better yet, leave it.
PROJECETED COSTS OF THIS ELECTION SEASON IS 2.4 BILLION…Whoa!
If Barky wins ( I think he will lose )…You can kiss any chance at reform byebye…Truly this is OBSCENE…especially given the deficit
Country First!
Did i miss something? Where in the Martin article is there any corroboration to his story? Where is the evidence? It sounds to me like nothing more than a theory fit for a 1 hour episode of a tv show.
Again, am i missing something? Some one tell me i’m blind!
Na, no proof but it would make a good movie.
http://www.astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naughty-obama-mamma.html
THIS HAS NUDE PHOTOS OF ANNE DUNHAM IN WHAT IS PROBABLY FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS’ APARTMENT CIRCA 1960?
I don’t know — I just read the press release.
Why on earth would Andy Martin make this claim — unless he has some sort of evidence??
The Obama investigation in Hawai’i, Part Three
Obama’s Hawai’i Years: The truth finally revealed
Barack Obama is not “Barack Obama”
. . .
Andy Martin told a Honolulu news conference today that after an intense international investigation he is convinced that Barack Obama, Junior, the presidential candidate is really the son of Obama’s controversial mentor Frank Marshall Davis.
“Mendacious adults ’switched’ Obama at birth. That is why he has refused to allow access to the original or ‘vault’ birth certificate,” Martin told a Honolulu news conference. “We believe the original certificate did not list a father. Barack Obama became the father as a result of an agreement between Ann Dunham, Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama, Sr.
How did Martin come to this conclusion? Proof — speculation?
We need evidence — references — proof.
Otherwise it would seem that Martin is opening himself up to a lawsuit.
However, there is DNA — and that is were the truth will be found.
I wonder as part of Obama (or whatever) medical information — was there any mention of blood type — and what is the blood type of BHO senior and Frank Marshall Davis.
What we don’t have is a logical path to even take this information seriously.
Sure, I’d love it if this were true but until it’s a proven fact if I used this argument to make the case against Obama I’d be laughed off this planet.
Using fantastic allegations like this undermine our credibility. We need to stick to the hard facts which are Obama’s lack of credentials, his ties to Fanny Mae& Freddy Mac/connection to mortgage crisis, etc.
I have a running disagreement here, and I agree with you.
It’s far-right stuff….which is just as lacking in appeal to moderates as far-left stuff.
I’ve mentioned this before, but it merits mention again, Andy Martin, better known in Chicago as Anthony Martin Trigona (do a GOOGLE or other search engin search on both names) has a long and strange litigious reputation in Chicago and in the federal court system in this city. While his allegations are certainly interesting and entertaining, chew them well before swallowing, or you may find out how Dan Rather felt. Just be careful, and keep lots of grains of salt handy.
WOW…and what about the statement Barry-Dunham Davis made about “You can’t turn your thermostats on 72, drive your SUV’s and grocery shop for anything that you want and think it’s going to be Okay and think ‘They’ll let you’…What’s that all about? I don’t think its a gaffe in the true sense but he was spilling the beans..oh and MEchelle wanting our pie. And making you work
like communist workers work for free or a stipend for goods. I remember the bomb shelters and the air raids at the peak of communist threat on USA. Why don’t they teach that in the History books?
You should send this to Greta at Fox news and Rush Limbaugh.
Educators at all levels – Check
Gaining control of the media – Check
Liberal judges appointed – Check
Recruit, train, back elected officials – Check
There’s only a couple of things that can stop this
takeover: the vote on November 4th and the truth about Frank Davis being ‘Tyrone’s’ father. Yes, the man formerly known as Barack Hussein Obama is TYRONE to me.
Secondly, when the Muslims around the world who backed him find out he’s not Hussein but TYRONE, they will demand their money back. Hundreds of millions of dollars.
Obama is toast. There is no where in the world he can hide out now!
You still have your vote. Are you going to let Obama lie his way to the white house because he is a democrat.
You still have your vote.
He’s not a Democrat. He just says he is. He became a Pseudo-Democrat straight out of the ‘New Party” for socialists just before he ran for State Senate. He’s still a member of the socialist party even though he denies it and says he was at a potluck and signed in that’s how he got on the membership roster…. and they allow dual party membership. So from 1994 to 2003 he was a communist member of the NEW PARTY and still is. There are other people in the Senate who belong to the New Party and dual as a Pseudo-Dem.
Vote Repub all the way down for added insurance.
man this just gets creepier every day, who the f is this dude and where did he come from?
Read this new dope,
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/obama_sex_perv_scandal/celebrity/65575
Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s biological father
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/andy-martin-hawaii-obama-not-barack-obama-frank-marshall-davis-father-obamas-original-birth-certificate-incomplete-or-tampered-with/
Comparison photos:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.nude/browse_thread/thread/937f2fd0f0ce57c2
Thanks for the link.
Excellent work from the National Enquirer. Because enquiring minds want to know! Trumps MSM again!
Hey I believe his ties in with Larry Sinclair allegations…His mentor Frank Marshall Davis was bisexual, he directed him to the bisexual crowd in Chicago. William Ayers, bisexual, Stuart Levine, bisexual, Soetoror’s Holy Trinity Church, listed as gay friendly, Rev Manning allegation that Soetoro is a closet case! Says he has proof from South Chicago sources, Donald Young, murdered gay choir director of Trinity and member for over twenty years….very interesting, nothing against being gay, but is this a distrction that we need?
this
Frank Marshal Davis and Barack Hussein Obama?
There is something rotten in the State of Denmark!
Frank Davis is Obama’s father and Stanley Ann Dunham was a victim of Frank as well as Obama was too? Do I have this right?
Davis and Barky Sr were friends.
Look we had 8 years of Bush working out his Daddy psychopathies at our expense, we don’t need another 8 years (tho I’m certain he intends to never leave power if he gets it) of another Samsonite full of this crap.
More and more Barry IS BUSH!
I think Barry campaigned for Odinga as a FAVOR OWED BY HIS FATHER TO BARKY SR.
Plus he’s a marxist, too.
I SINCERELY FEEL THAT BARRY DAVIS SHOULD PAY FOR THE GENOCIDE IN KENYA AND RISKING THOSE WEST PAPUANS AS WELL.
He is definitely an Indonesian citizen still though, and DUAL LOYALTIES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.
DROPPED THE DEM PARTY & RE-REGISTERED AS AN INDEPENDENT…………PROUDLY CAST MY EARLY VOTE IN FLORIDA YESTERDAY FOR MCCAIN/PALIN.
TO HELL WITH THE MSM POLLS…………..EVERYONE GET OUT & VOTE !
Do you people not understand that it is Allah’s (swt) will that Sheik Obama be the next President of the United States?
In less than two weeks, he will be elected. On 20 January 2009 he will take power.
Time grows short. Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allahu akbar!
AM, did you say,
The T in the word Time resembles a cross. I wonder who was crucified on a cross not that long ago and for what reason.
AM, did you say,
That is a contradiction in terms. Peace and submission do not provide a realistic context to “embrace” anything, much less something as esoteric as Islam.
AM, did you say,
Maybe the grandchildren of others here in this thread, but mine will be free and happy with their last name and the heritage my family gives them.
AM is lying. He is a Kuffar (not a Muslim).
Oh, get lost you silly bot.
My grandchildren will be Christian.
of course the DNC is lying…
the america people have repeatedly chosen Hillary Clinton over Baracktrack…
yet we keep getting handed Oblahblah… by the DNC by the MSM, by Soros and other thug criminals…
and the real slap in the face of americans is that Obama recently endorsed vote fraud:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10212008/news/politics/team_bam__both_sides_play_ohio_134549.htm
this time, hopefully, our votes will count…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Obama endorsed voter fraud when he accepted the nomination to run for POTUS.
When he was adopted, he took the name ‘Barry Soetoro’. So, did he have it ‘legally’ changed back to Barack Obama?
He also became a citizen of Indonesia. So, when did he give up that citizenship? Is he now a citizen of Indonesia, America, or both?
Is it not against the law to make up false
documents, such as Birth Certificates?
Surely, there is some way to stop this madness!
Was Hillary right, when she said ‘He can’t win’?
From a former Democratic Hillary supporter…
McCain/Palin for America!
It is just funny that when we and specifically I read the Constitution I always thought that you had to be a natural born citizen in the country to run for President. I always assumed that. That was my mistake. I took the Constitution at its word. How stupid of me.
I think Barry says he is or was a Constitutional law professor. I think he didn’t assume what most of us and specifically I assumed. I guess he can care less what the Constitution says, and much less there where it specifies the birth requirements. He must interpret that natural born means if you cannot disprove that one is ‘natural born.’
Anyway, I think the issue is that I think he interprets the Constitution they way he does and we interpret it our way and we agree to disagree. And in the future we will probably have many other disagreements about the interpretation of the Constitution and he will do whatever he thinks and interprets and we can disagree all we want but he will do whatever he wants. The Constitution will not be an impediment for anything.
lark — If Obama is not a natural born citizen then this will be in the courts and Impeachment will be on the table. This man will not be able to govern and our nation will grow ever weaker while we try to sort out the Fraud of Obama.
I am ashamed to have ever been a member of The Democratic Party.
i’m sorry I will have to say i think Martin is telling a flat out lie, and for one very good reason. If you buy into this and it turns out it is not the truth then you will look desperate and crazy, and then obama wins. HOWEVER I must say. Every since i saw obama’s father picture i did not think he looked any thing like his father, but i thought maybe do to the facial features mixed with those of his mothers would produce something that was different. However his daughter Malia looks just like him. As a child Obama does look more like davis than he does his father. However Davis looks to be about my complection, there for I would think that should he and Stanley Ann had a child together that child would be significantly lighter than obama is. HOwever it means nothing, My mother is significantly lighter than both her parents and she has a younger sister even lighter than she is. Obama is a liar, but this is taking it to another level. And it also brings into play people who can not defend themselves. TO say obama is lying about his citizenship is one thing, but to out right accuses his dead mother and father of straight out lying is another especially when they can not speak. Obama has two little girls who think the world of him like i did my own father when i was their age. SO i say until we see proof let’s drop it for Sasha and Malia, I don’t like their parents but i have nothing against them. I dislike obama, but i do not want to be like him, and doing anything to win regardless of who it hurts is a game that he plays but I will not. There’s more than one way to skin a cat and i think i’s time we need to look at other options lest we come as dirty and foul as he is.
I agree, this is ugly. The citizenship issue is one thing because it’s a matter of law. But this “Frank Davis is his father” mime is over the top.
http://themountainsage.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/andy-martins-petition-shot-down-by-hawaii-judge/
Martin is sounding like he’s really losing it…
(sigh)
If a white candidate with one year of national experience declared candidacy and had this family history, he/she would be laughed out of the race. It’s interesting to me that Obama has such a messed up family life and we don’t see one word about it in the media. No telling what his mother was up to, she seems like a total flake.
the link to obama,being the son of davis is at texas darling’s web site and andy martins
Did ACORN have any involvement in the rampant caucus fraud that occurred this year?
Great question. The Answer is yes. Case in point.
The Nevada primires had a little dust up between elements of SEIU and if truth be told, the Nevada chapter did not like ACORN running rampent in their precincts.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2007/dec/03/union-split-over-leader/
“Nevada is a caucus state, and as Obama showed in Iowa, organization of every precinct is key to winning,” Jane McAlevey,SEIU’s Executive Director said. “SEIU Nevada members from Reno to Elko to Las Vegas are ready to make a difference in this state for our candidate.”
A fine artical to draw attention to even better research.
Lynnette long needs this url to file away on her blog…which is a central compilation of the 2008 primary vote fraud perpetuated by Obama and his Campaign.
If Obama loses, this needs to be thrust in the faces of the members of the DNC that stole the nomination from Hillary. Obama’s loss will be a testament to the horrible mentality of Donna Brazile, et al.
Obama is the illegitimate nominee and he needs to lose.
McCain-Palin!
PUMA!
Yesterday, I Proudly voted for McCain/Palin
Monday I did too!!
I also proudly voted for McCain/Palin and sanity.
POST THIS EVERYWHERE……IS ABOUT OBAMA AND THE DRAFT
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=37414
Of course there will be a draft if Obama gets in. It’s on the Democratic Party Platform and was voted YES! Did everyone forget or miss it altogether? That vote on the platform list to reinstate the draft passed.
The young OBOTS better stay home on voting day because if they vote Obama
crapin, then they’ll be drafted to Afganistan per orders of the secret service within 6 months as per the DNC Platform rule.MacPalin ‘08
Of course there will be a draft if Obama gets in. It’s on the Democratic Party Platform and was voted YES! Did everyone forget or miss it altogether? That vote on the platform list to reinstate the draft passed.
The young OBOTS better stay home on voting day because if they vote Obama
crapin, then they’ll be drafted to Afganistan per orders of the selective service within 6 months as per the DNC Platform rule.MacPalin ‘08
I’m a liberal about social issues, but I’m sickened by these liberals of our times who have no principles. Someone who “wins” by hook or by crook is destined to be a bad leader. One can’t achieve great things by going down a crooked path.
You know I think Hillary has endured enough bashing and has been asked to carry enough weight. She HAS to keep her word to the people of New York. Had she NOT done what she is doing now they WOULD have black balled her in the senate. It’s not anymore frustrating for us than it has been for her. If she wanted her career ended and to be blamed for dumping her whole responsibilities as the Senator of her state then yes she could have told them all to go to hell but, it doesn’t WORK LIKE THAT.
She was bullied and threatened as much as we were and she knows the game. If she EVER wants to hold a higher office to serve this country again she HAS to keep her word and serve as the Senator for her state.
These caucus frauds were done by OBAMA and his disgusting campaign. Soros OWNS the party now NOT the either of the Clintons and they are playing it the way they have to but, trust me, long term they will not forget this. The D.N.C. is not the same as it was under Soros now.
This cheating is disgusting and the one thing I’m sick to death over. Yes, Hillary won. yes she did.
The D.N.C. needs to be exposed for this at every turn. I cannot wait for this documentary to come out and show in full the corruption and by then the media will need new fodder…there’s plenty to take Obama down. He’s worse than Nixon was by far and so is the D.N.C. now.
Absolutely right.
This is up my alley. I had these numbers figured out the night that the Montana and South Dakota primary ended. That’s why I sometimes mention that Hillary won.
1. They stopped counting in MANY states.
2. They threw Hillary votes away into the trash in every precinct of every caucus state & Territory. (While pumas were in Denver, they met a Black woman delegate who admitted it and laughed over it.)
3. Yes Acorn has everything to do with this. It’s other company is Move-on.Org and these are all owned by Gearge Soros. Move-on did the 2007 summer bootcamp on how to scam the system and create chaos so it will go undetected. They sign people up for grass roots on Craig’s list jobs section.
4. Hillary has signed a complaint on October 20, 2008 documenting long lists of systemic and planned nationwide fraud by Obama Campaign.
Can’t wait to hear more about that.
Sad it’s not our Hill going to 1600 Penn Ave.
Hillary’s been there, done that as far as 1600 Penn is concerned. What’s sad is we don’t even have a legitimate Dem candidate to vote for in 2008!
Where is the complaint? and can we save those ads on Craigslist for Move On?? This can ALL be used to show intent on the part of the Obama campaign to long term defraud the voters and steal the election.
Momma E has the copy of the complaint and the ads are gone..that was back in 2007 and early 2008 that ads were run for
thugsObama election worker help wanted.Nope, Hillary hasn’t “been there done that” unless you think she is the same human being as her husband. She wasn’t POTUS. Her husband was.
yeah yeah… sure…
but there are a handful of people who have been “there” at 1600 pen. ave.
and when you add to that how smart and politically active she is it only ads to her qualifications in a way that no other candidate can offer…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
YOu know if hillary had been in office and Bill had helped her fix this country economic problem like last time or she used his crib sheet, I wouldn’t have care, see that’s what you do when you are in a financial crisis. You do things that make sense. Unfortunately my fellow americans don’t like logic, they prefer to starve and watch their country go to hell rather than picking someone who lives with in the vacinity of a person who might actually know what to do. They get all hung up on rules of grammer and technicalities because they don’t realize that all that means bull hickey if you don’t have any place to live. By the way what is up with POTUS. Last time i checked we just said president. Not like TOm Clancy termonology is going to help you out when you are digging through a dumpster for food. Casue you just had to pick the African American who didn’t know what the hell he was doing as POTUS over a woman whose husband gotten us out of our last financial crisis. Who gives a dman who did what, just fix it gosh durn it. Or does that make to much sense?
Democrat is democrat’s problem so also Obama is Obama’s problem.
DNC has being lying to us so has Obama being lying to us. Obama has been lying to us and hoping we do not think and buying time, for him the time has ran out to tell the truth.
Don’t blame the man, Obama, he does not know how to tell the truth.
I personally cannot take it anymore.
For me and my people it is McCain/Palin time
If Obama loses, we shall immediately begin pressing that it is his fault because Hill could have won if he did steal the caucus from her and pretend he won. He lost!
Sometimes I wonder if Hillary isn’t backing Obama due to some sort of blackmail, like maybe Bill Clinton has a love child hidden away somewhere or something like that. There’s something fishy going on.
Hmmmmm….I think the obvious is most likely…She’s a member of the Party…and doesn’t want to become a Liberman Pariah…It’s not as if the GOP has demonstrated they would embrace her or Bill…lol…and in America we still have no solid 3rd party…so she’s doin the best she can to hang on to her senate seat…imho….
It will bite her later as they will turn on her anyway. The only folks who hate the Clintons more than the far right is the far left…
Even if he WINS we need to push this. Push it till the whole country knows he cheated this way, till more and more people want a RICO case filed. Until every single person starts seeing him as the Nixon of 2008. I’m not resting on my laurels if he wins or loses. In fact if he does win we’ll have even MORE work to do. I want my party back. That old shriveled up Soros won’t last forever and then here they will come a pandering.
Speaking on Albuquerque station KKOB, Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., told host Jim Villanucci,”I would want this station and all stations to have to present a balanced perspective and different points of view, instead of always hammering away at one side of the political spectrum.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKCWiFA0Eq0
There was a time I said “It would be a cold day in hell before I voted for Hillary”. Needless to say that day came when I voted for the first time in my life in a primary. I have a new found respect for Hillary. Except that picture on drudge of Barry kissing her on the lips! God, how does she stand it! Please tell me she doesn’t really like this guy?? Hillary is a smart chick. Tell me this is an act?
See the above posts. She HAS to do this. You cannot turn your back on the people you promised to serve in New York. They’d RUIN her ability to do any work for them or us by black balling her in the senate and there WAS talk at the convention that she was threatened with just that.
She’s smart. I’ve followed her career since about 1983 before Bill was prez. Every time I didn’t think she was doing what *I* thought was right she proved me oh so wrong in the long run. She’ll have MORE power if she does it this way right now than if she doesn’t. But you mark my words on this one. One fine day MZ. Hillary will have her say in all this and it WILL be to all our benefit.
Thanks so much — this was very helpful.
I hope your right Alice.
Breaking:
Andy Martin’s investigation concludes Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s biological father.
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/andy-martin-hawaii-obama-not-barack-obama-frank-marshall-davis-father-obamas-original-birth-certificate-incomplete-or-tampered-with/
Comparison photos: Frank Marshall Davis / Obama
Stanley Ann Dunham / Mystery woman
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.nude/browse_thread/thread/937f2fd0f0ce57c2
In one of the pictures you can see the similaraity in the woman’s teeth. and whore Ann
I’m sorry, but Hillary Clinton is squarely on the side of the vote thieves. I realize a lot of people here and my friends at the The Confluence love her, but facts are facts.
If she’s telling us to vote for Obama, she’s asking us to elect a man who literally promised to give vote stealers like ACORN a role in setting the agenda for the new administration.
This is no time for hero worship. Our country is being stolen, and Mrs Clinton for whatever reason is asking us to support the bad guys.
No deal.
It’s party first for Hillary right now. But I too think she’s deluding herself into thinking a Dem administration would do anything more than lip service to her pet causes. We all make mistake, and this election is hers, from not taking the BO threat head on early enough to conceding to the delegate thief and his cronies. One day, she may really tell us what she had to endure in this hell of an election year, and we may forgive her. For now, we vote for McCain.
This is the problem when you extrapolate too far. ACORN is clearly out of control this year. Obama clearly has used the same community organizing tactics.
Will states be over-run with fraud? It depends upon their voting laws and processes in place.
There is no evidence that voter fraud WILL take place. There IS evidence that voter registration fraud has taken place.
Is Obama responsible? No. Did he use ACORN? Yes.
But when you jump from the facts to assuming too much, then you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and in this case, it’s Hillary.
In doing so, you have to ignore that she TOLD the public she would “work her heart out.”
So, now you’re trashing a politician for honesty.
OBAMA IS A FRAUD …submit your film to the various film festivals as well…
I’m sorry too but, she cannot commit political suicide. Do not confuse “hero worship” with something else. Practicality for the long term good dictates that she HAS to do what Soroscrats say right now. What would you have her do? Do you think by standing up and saying “fire!” she would get anything done? What next? They would vilify her, and Soros would continue to buy off whoever is needed to be bought. It would not work. Now she filed a law suit in 2007 against the “thieves” and it was ignored.
So far she’s got to play this out so that she has the MOST power in the long term. If she is seen to even so much as have caused ANY lose for Obama they will fry her for good.
Think. She cannot save us and I for one am sick and tired of people NOT getting it that she had no other choice if she is to LEGALLY fulfill her duty as a SENATOR to the state of New York. They would know immediately that she had sacrificed her word to them for a short term voice and it would be silenced immediately. I’m voting McCain.
I’m NOT rolling over on someone who stayed in till the last second possible in this b.s. rigged election and who I have had family personally work with her. She keeps her word. She said she’d uphold her duty as a senator and when you’ve been told you won’t be allowed to do that if you don’t play ball then do you betray the people you promised to work for? The VERY people who helped her so much all these years? She cannot do it.
Why does everyone see Hillary as the mommy on all sides. It’s just hooyey. NO politician can take on a BILLIONAIRE who OWNS the party she has to work within in order to continue working for her state. It is a hard cold political fact. Jesus, Pile ON! Anything to lay blame where it is not warrented.
The “hero worship” line is over the top. I have never “worshipped” her. I simply know what I know as fact right now. She cannot put herself in a position where she would be drummed out of all politics and she WOULD and it would’t do any good anyway because they would paint her as a disgruntled liar and THEN cut her out. I guess fighting this man for two years and being hated for it wasn’t enough for some people. The y stole this from her, let her in debt, threatened her, and she had to do what she PROMISED to do. PERIOD.
alice,
Your arguements aren’t coherent. She’s a wealthy woman and a senator.
Repeat after me, “A teaspoon of wine in a bottle of sewage is sewage”, “A teaspoon of sewage in a bottle of wine is sewage”
Hillary is contaminated sewage. The DNC is contaminated sewage. Fraudbama is contaminated sewage. The entire party is sewage. Don’t make yourself crazy, give it up!
the Big Dawg has let his feelings be known and I have a feeling Hillary will be voting for McCain in November too. Calling her sewage is nasty and the whole DNC. On the other hand, the Obamacrats are the nsstiest bunch I’ve ever seen.
….I have a better really cute saying, “say it isn’t so” and it goes like this:
“A teaspoon of sewage in a bottle of wine is still sewage”…That logic is MUCH better, and truer…and you’re the ’sewage’ contaminating this blog.
piss off.
Another Obot tactic is to blame Hillary in a topic about about Obama stealing the nomination.
Come on, Obamabots, just who do you think you’re fooling here? You’re engaging in diversionary tactics.
NY is not CT…and Clinton cannot afford to be a Liberman…sheeesh! She’s just doin what she needs to do…Folks gotta let that one go…imho
Alice, thank you.
And sheik woman hating bot up there, by January the caucus fraud film will be out. Just in time for the coronation of the FRAUD.
What can we do to help you? Can we bombard WSJ with emails about this? What does it cost to buy a full page ad in the journal?? Can we donate to get an ad about your film in there or in the New York Post? Or maybe take out three full page ads on one day? What’s the cost? Surely we can raise enough to get the word out so they can’t ignore the film, the way they have been.
For those sure the public has been cowed and bamboozled, I offer the http://tinyurl/AOLStrawPoll . It has been right the last 3 elections.
As of this moment, it shows
McCain 483
Obama 55
It is associated, BION, with Huffington.
~200,000 votes. Covers the week Oct 17-24; a new count starts Saturday.
OT—–Judge Surrick may rule today or tomorrow in Pa. on Berg’s case.
http://themountainsage.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/andy-martins-petition-shot-down-by-hawaii-judge/
I hope this doesn’t influence him…(sigh)
1 down 3 to go…lawsuits that is…
I’ve been thinking about this (while coming down with a cold).
Andy Martin has come up with a THEORY — to explain why Barry Dunham Soetoro-Obama refuses to release his REAL birth certificate — a copy of the real certificate and not that fraud that has been produced.
This theory should be added to the other theories about Obama.
Obama is covering/stonewalling or flat out lying because he would have produced his birth certificate.
Obama’s mother would have had to name the child’s father, in order for her to obtain a passport for the child — even if he was traveling on her passport. Perhaps Obama needed to know exactly what was on his passport — thus his file was accessed (as were McCain and Hillary’s as a cover for the real target and the real reason).
Obama has been great at covering up and eradicating his record — to the point that there are huge voids.
He forgot to fill up the voids with harmless information — these voids are red flags — and people will formulate theories to fill in the voids.
As others have pointed out — we know far more about Joe the Plumber than we know about Obama.
Obama thought he covered his missing years by writing books (of fiction) about his life.
One more theory added to the stack of theories about Obama — because Obama is a liar.
Fantastic post! Congrat Amy and thank you Peniel Cronin for compiling it!
Do you think Obamabots will NOW understand WHY we are pissed?
I will NEVER forget nor forgive what the DNC and the Pravda media stole from us. NEVER! Obama is going down on Nov 4th and there is nothing the brownshirt obots can do about it.
PUMA
HILLARY 2012
Why you ask? Because the Democratic party is STUPID. That is why they rarely win Presidential elections. I just don’t believe with the shitty job the Dem’s have done in the Senate while having majority, their piss poor approval rating of 14%, that not only will Obama lose but the Dem’s will lose majority in the Senate too.
I watched the Sarah Palin rally in Noblesville Indiana. The crowd was a sea of red shirts. People were screaming in approval and hanging on Sarah’s every word. We are part of the Rust Belt. Our state is heavily manufacturing people. That means we have alot of “Joe the Plumbers” here. We don’t go for that elitist bullshit. Mitch Daniels is our Governor who has done a tremendous job in bringing jobs to our state as well as cutting property taxes and other government spending. Our Lt. Governor is Becky Skillman. She does a great job too. I just don’t believe for ONE SECOND that Obama will ever win this state. It just won’t happen. I have lived here my entire life.
This report posted is proof that Obama has much less support than he claims to have. He is trying to bust into the doors of the Presidency and White House by fancy words and rally’s giving away free food. Cripes, how immature and ignorant IS THAT?? Your income is no measurement of your IQ. Indiana is goin’ red this year just like it has every year since 1964.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS JOHN MCCAIN AND SARAH PALIN!!
Sarah is doing a fabulous job. The polls still have Obama ahead in Indiana, but only by 5 today.
That’s good news.
Excellent research and post! Thank you Amy!! Thank you Dr. Long for all you have done to uncover the truth.
I’m very perplexed by the Obamacrats currently in control of this Congress which will soon be returning to Washington–
possibly with the help of Obama himself.Nancy Pelosi has added to the coffers of Michelle Bachmann’s opponents war chest. She and Chris Matthews are giving money to Bachmann’s opponent in retaliation for her remarks on his show. When she brought up Obama’s ties to Ayers and Wright, Matthews goaded Bachmann into repeating his words calling those actions “anti-American”. Bachmann is now being portrayed as another Joe McCarthy and is being shamed by Pelosi and Matthews in this attempt to smear her.
Ayers and Wright DO seem to both have anti-American views. Frankly, the way Nancy Pelosi has run the House is pretty disturbing in its own right.
I’m researching this issue and recall that Pelosi herself said she was going to ‘end it’ for Hillary before the race was over. I recall Pelosi shutting off the lights on House Republicans who wanted an up or down vote on drilling which was supported by the majority of Americans.
I would personally like to donate to any opponent of Nancy Pelosi’s and fear her gaining even more power in the next Congress since she’s already shown what she does with that power. I’m sure there’s plenty I already forgot.
Vote Obama and die – Politico Pundits dissect Biden’s remarks
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/vote-obama-and-die-pundits-on-bidens-revelations/
John McCain partially new POW Footage Released
http://tinyurl.com/5wczoz
I witnessed firsthand the TX caucus fraud at my county convention. With the stomach churning report Ms. Cronin provided in this post, I am praying voters pull the lever for McCain. Since Hillary did not register officially as a write-in candidate, ANY WRITE-IN VOTE FOR HILLARY GOES TO OBAMA AS HE IS THE DEM NOMINEE!!!
PLEASE tell all you know this: Obama gets all of Hillary’s write-in votes! Check with your local/state election boards for proof.
I feel sick every time I see/hear Hillary stumping for the corrupt Obama.
Hillary Clinton, Al Franken and the Return of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
By Paul Kane
MINNEAPOLIS — Stepping back into the campaign spotlight, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) came to Minnesota tonight to urge the election of comedian-commentator-candidate Al Franken to the Senate.
“Al Franken was taking on the vast right-wing conspiracy before other people even admitted it existed,” she told a crowd of 2,000 supporters on the University of Minnesota campus, urging them to give her rival, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, a filibuster-proof margin in the Senate. “Al Franken, with your help, can be our 60th vote.”
Are we to Hillary the “vast right-wing conspiracy?”
Like they say “politics makes strange bedfellows.”
McCain/Palin
Are we to Hillary the “vast right-wing conspiracy?”
That doesn’t make any sense. Did ‘we’ ever claim the Clintons routinely kill people they don’t like? Foolish but a nice try.
Nothing makes sense in Obamaland.
by logistics monster
We Clinton Supporters and bloggers have been viewing the death of the
Democratic Party through the lens of a coup or hostile takeover by its liberal
left wing. We witnessed in disbelief as our party became the party of
violence, sexism, misogyny, racism, thuggery, theft, corruption, caucus
fraud, and voter registration fraud.
Before casting a vote, Centrist Dems and all other Americans must stop
looking at the current Democratic Party through the perception they have of
what the Democratic Party once meant.
that party was dead and buried on may 31, 2008
This is not your grandmother’s left wing (or maybe it is). What is now being
uncovered is that the takeover of the Democratic Party is being
orchestrated by a group of people with socialist/marxist beliefs, with a pinch
of fascism sprinkled in—being led by a hand picked, groomed and marketed
messiah under the guise of “progressivism”—with a belief system that
states the ends justify the means. This may also explain why well over 90%
of the African American population is voting for this candidate, and though
some of it has to do with his race, more may be because of his socialist
philosophy.
barack obama is that hand picked candidate
Hillary Clinton was systematically destroyed by the “Democratic Party” in
the primaries. We may debate her strengths and weaknesses as a
candidate, but not being part of the ‘master plan’, she was quite simply
irrelevant.
On the other hand, Barack was spoon fed his current core beliefs for
decades, and is a willing participant in the downfall of America as you know
it. The candidate who has shattered all fund raising records, is now deeply
in political debt to his radical associations.
It’s time to understand where this “alien” democratic party is heading with
Obama in the foreground and his numerous radical socialist/marxist
associates in the background.
let’s start with a history lesson :
Democratic Party:
When political alignments first emerged in George Washington’s
administration, opposing factions were led by Alexander Hamilton and
Thomas Jefferson. In the basic disagreement over the nature and functions
of government and of society, the Jeffersonians advocated a society based
on the small farmer; they opposed strong centralized government and were
suspicious of urban commercial interests. Their ideals—opposed to those
of the Federalist Party — came to be known as Jeffersonian democracy,
based in large part on faith in the virtue and ability of the common man and
the limitation of the powers of the federal government. This group of Anti-
Federalists, who called themselves Republicans or Democratic Republicans
(the name was not fixed as Democratic until 1828), supported many of the
ideals of the French Revolution and opposed close relations with Great
Britain.
Progressive Party:
U.S. independent political party. The first Progressive Party, known as the
Bull Moose Party, was organized in 1911. The second was assembled in
1924; it nominated as its presidential candidate Robert La Follette, who
received 17% of the national vote on a platform calling for a
“housecleaning” of executive departments, public control of natural
resources, public ownership of the railways, and tax reduction. The party
dissolved upon La Follette’s death in 1925. The third Progressive Party,
founded in 1947 by Henry Wallace, differed from the previous groups in its
focus on foreign affairs; it favoured a conciliatory policy toward the Soviet
Union. Though Wallace received more than one million votes in the 1948
election, the party was never again influential.
Progressivism:
The term “progressive” is today often used in place of “liberal“. Although
the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political
ideologies. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the
Center for American Progress, “Progressivism is an orientation towards
politics, It’s not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-
grounded concept… that accepts the world as dynamic.” Progressives see
progressivism as an attitude towards the world of politics that is broader
than conservatism vs. liberalism, and as an attempt to break free from what
they consider to be a false and divisive dichotomy.
American progressives tend to support interventionist economics: they
advocate income redistribution, and they oppose the growing influence of
corporations. Conversely, European and Australian progressives tend to be
more pro-business, and will often have policies that are soft on taxation of
large corporations. Progressives are in agreement on an international scale
with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions,
they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the
creation of a universal health care system. Yet progressives tend to be more
concerned with environmentalism than mainstream liberals, and are often
more skeptical of the government, positioning themselves as
whistleblowers and advocates of governmental reform. Finally, liberals are
more likely to support the Democratic Party in America and the Labour party
in Europe and Australia, while progressives tend to feel disillusioned with
any two-party system, and vote more often for third-party candidates.
Socialism:
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the
means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a
centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and
communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the
dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Socialism (in the strict or radical sense) aims to establish a fundamentally
different society from the one that currently exists in most countries. While
there are different schools of socialism, which often tend to have differing
views of the ideal socialist society, some general examples of socialist
concepts are: The desire to abolish capitalism, to place the means of
productionexploits the working class, and they desire for workers to play a
vital role in moving society from capitalism to socialism (either by rising up
in a revolution or general strike, or by voting en masse for socialist political
parties). under the collective ownership of the people, and to achieve a very
high degree of economic and political equality. Socialists argue that
capitalism
In contrast, by definition progressivism aims to achieve gradual social
change, and most progressives are outright opposed to any form of radical
revolution. When the progressive movement split on economic principles,
some progressives moved towards the socialist camp, advocating a
planned economy. Other progressives moved towards the regulated mixed
economy camp, with both public and private ownership of companies.
Between these two extremes is social democracy (not a term in popular U.
S. usage), a branch of socialism that became increasingly moderate and
moved towards the political center. Regulated-capitalism progressives and
socialist progressives still tend to support similar progressive social
policies, outside of economic principles.
Communism:
1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership
of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all
members.
2. Communism
a. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the
economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to
make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally
shared by the people.
b. The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the
overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
National Socialism, Naziism, Nazism:
national socialism, Naziism, Nazism – a form of socialism featuring racism
and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader
German history the doctrines and practices of the Nazis, involving the
supremacy of Hitler, anti-Semitism, state control of the economy, and
national expansion
The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist
nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy.
Capitalism:
An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are
privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the
accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
An economic system based on private ownership of the means of
production, in which personal profit can be acquired through investment of
capital and employment of labor. Capitalism is grounded in the concept of
free enterprise, which argues that government intervention in the economy
should be restricted and that a free market, based on supply and demand,
will ultimately maximize consumer welfare.
now that you’ve read those definitions…
Is it not apparent to you that the Democratic Party is now the Progressive
Socialist Party? Income redistribution, universal health care, nationalization
of the economy through our banks, centralized government, and a drive to
destroy the free market capitalist system upon which our nation was built.
remember these words uttered by obama?
“When you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
“It’s no secret that most Americans think the country is on the wrong track”
“But the reason isn’t just failed policies. It’s a system in Washington that
has failed the American people. A system that has not kept the most
fundamental trust of American democracy; that our government is of the
people, and that it must govern for all the people – not just the interests of
the wealthy and well-connected.”
“We don’t need the people, we just need their checks.”
it’s the associations stupid
I wish you’d published this elsewhere and linked to it.
Personally I think you’re charging something you think are windmills but it’s well written. It’s just that it should be published elsewhere, not flooding this thread. Susan accepts submissions you know.
PLEASE POST THE LOGISTICS MONSTER MEMO ABOVE EVERYWHERE
Don’t leave it up at top just today. Leave it up at top through the remainder of the GE campaign, possibly beyond. Until some weasel in the MSM comes along and reckons he can make a good book deal.
Larry, if you guys have changed to an anti Clinton blog, please let us know.
I’m concerned about the attacks on Clinton and her supporters over the past few days.
Que? LOL
Larry should be highly commended for this blog. We all know that he has always been a staunch Hillary supporter. How admirable is he, that he allows opinions and comments to flow freely here, even those from the disgusting O’bots. I don’t know where he stands today on HRC, but you can be sure he is placing America first. Thank you again, Larry, for this forum.
No one is attacking Clinton, some of us are questioning her support of Obama. Considering what a lying, cheating scumbag asshole he is and dangerous too, I think that is fair. We gave Hillary alot of time, support and money. I think we deserve an answer. Saying it is for the Democratic party is not acceptable. There is no Democratic party anymore. It is now the Socialist Party. They are just using her.
“what good does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul”?
Yes, some are attacking her. Passive-aggressively. Hillary has been campaigning for Obama since the summer, and none of you bashed her for it then. Everyone knew she was being forced against her will to do it.
There is still a Democratic party. Voting against Obama will help remove the few who have hijacked it. Have you forgotten that or are you just revealing your true colors?
I’m not Larry just a poster here but I don’t believe that NQ has turned into an anti Clinton blog. Speaking for myself, I’m against her actions on behalf of Obama, I’m not against her. I would support her in a heartbeat if she miraculously became the Democratic candidate today.
People are voicing their frustration with Hillary Clinton for lending her voice (a very influential voice) to the campaign to get Obama elected.
Those of us who heeded the pleas to help pay off her campaign debts are vexed to hear that those contributions might be going to another candidate instead.
I am thankful that this blog is open to all opinions and doesn’t pick and choose what gets posted.
I have supported the Clintons for years. If Hillary runs again, I will vote for her.
Unfortunately, both Bill and Hillary turned away from the opportunity to stand up and speak the truth for the good of the country. It is not too late, even today. If they don’t, they may join the ranks of Colin Powell in putting career above country at this critical time in history. If young men and women have the courage to sacrafice their lives to fight for our freedom, then a political career shouldn’t be that difficult to risk in the face of what we’re up againt. The irony is, if Hillary had not gone along to get along, she would have gained more power and respect. I can’t watch her campaign for Obama after what he did to her and every woman in America. As it is now, she is losing the respect of even those that love her, and that is hard to watch.
Ray, I agree with you. What’s at stake here is far greater than a career in politics and the Clinton’s know that, but yet they continue to stand by Obama. Their support adds status to Obama, they know that too. And I believe they probably know more about Obama and his shennanigans than we do.
Now some people may say, they’re only pretending to support him but that doesn’t wash with me because they’re still standing by him and that’s what matters.
No, she would not gain more power or respect. She would lose power and respect. More importantly, she would lose respect among the mainstream public who do not know all the dirty dealings behind the scenes that lead to her current position.
If she came out and did what you Obots wanted, she’d be called a racist, a sore loser, a liar, a traitor, and the public would believe it.
No Republican in their right mind would bash either Clinton in front of Clinton/Democrat voters voting for McCain. To do so only serves the purpose of turning people away from McCain and towards Obama or nowhere.
GEE….
SELECTED, not ELECTED!!!!
Where have we heard that before?
We have met the enemy, and he’s … no longer a Republican….
It’s Time to Decide, Folks
By American Lassie
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/its-time-to-decide-folks/
….”So folks, get out there and practice the three T’s – typing, telephoning, and talking.”
Troll alert.
For your information — the DNC anointed Obama and Hillary Clinton is no longer in the race.
Many former Hillary supporters do not understand why Hillary is now seeming to endorse Obama. We see that Obama is clearly a danger to America (and Biden agrees).
I have seen no bashing of Hillary nor of Hillary’s supporters at NQ — asking questions and trying to understand politician’s motivations is part of learning about the new politics.
Since Obama is unacceptable to the majority of NQ regulars — our other option is COUNTRY FIRST — and vote for McCain/Palin, or not vote, or vote third party.
Hillary will do what she has to do and
PUMA for the rest of us.
Yes, Hillary said she’d campaign for him and she keeps her word. Foreign concept to Obama supporters.
Three days ago in Orlando, Obama placed his arm over Hillary’s shoulder several times after his speech in Orlando. Later on interrupting her, with his hand on her shoulder he paraphrased, ‘She’ll do as I say.’ Before that Hillary nodded positively at every sentence Obama said during his speech. She nodded positively at every sentence without skipping one. For 30 minutes she nodded.
So I am seeing that and I am seeing that. That’s all I am seeing. I am not seeing anything else. I am not saying I saw something else. It was three days ago. She was the main feature to go see and hear Obama in Orlando, because both of them appeared together. All I saw was Hillary and Obama. And latter I saw Obama and Hillary. And she was nodding all the time.
And as you can see I am not saying anything negative against Sen. Clinton. I am just saying what I saw.
Maybe you should have read that fucking uhbama was going to be there, then you could have stayed in your glass house…nice and safe, all tucked away from the real world.
I’ve read your biased posts against Hillary multiple times previously, and I’m not buying that you’re a fan or ever were.
HillaryDem – Voted McCain/Palin 09/30
I am not in the business of justifying or vouching for any politician of any political party or persuasion. I am asked to vote and I exercise that right. They say what they say and I think about it. They do what the do and I watch. I make my mind.
I have deep appreciation and admiration for Hillary Clinton. She would have been my choice for President had she been the nominee. But things happened at the Convention and during the end of her campaign that made me understand better what happened to her and what’s happening now to her. And I don’t like many of her decisions during the Convention and after the Convention even less. Those decisions tell a story that isn’t particularly to my taste. So I will wait and see what she’ll do in the future and see what kind of politician she is. She is a politician to me.
It’s comments like yours that lead others to believe that those who are suddenly turning against Clinton are either forgetting why she is doing this or never cared until it was time to reveal your true colors.
No Republican in their right mind would bash either Clinton in front of Clinton/Democrat voters voting for McCain. To do so only serves the purpose of turning people away from McCain and towards Obama or nowhere.
The Obamabots haven’t left yet, they just got a new tactic – pretending to be for Hillary and then second guess her and ignore all the reasons that lead her to do what she is doing now.
Yup. The Concern Trolls are out in full force this morning.
Agreed.
Clinton was the best (by far) candidate in this entire election cycle.
Soros overthrew the democratic process and hurt
this country in the process.
At this point, Clinton has to do what she has to do.
So lay off of Clinton.
I’ll add, I’m probably voting for McCain/Pallin.
The democratic party (if there is one) needs to curtail Soros.
Lauer to Obama: Is it hard to be Messiah?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/matt-lauer-to-obama-is-it-hard-to-be-messiah/
General Electric products will never grace my home again. Every time I buy a new appliance, I will send a picture of it to Immelt.
You say, “What a waste of time. You’re a joker.” You may be right, but at least I created a voice beyond blogging, the little nobody that I am.
POW John McCain.
I agree with others here…I’m not attempting to second guess Hillary Clinton’s motives or her actions after what she endured at the hands of her own party.
I do know this…this election is NOT about Hillary Clinton. She is not the candidate and obama is. I will not vote third party because I believe that will be helping obama.
McCain/Palin ‘08
Hey guys can we all stop the doom and gloom. Enough with the polls not trending in McCain’s favor. Remember that in the 2004 election John Kerry has a 10 point lead on ELECTION DAY!!!!!! That afternoon the media was predicting there was no way Bush could win!!! Look how well that turned out for Kerry. Put your anger where it counts.
If you live in CO, NH, IW, NV, or MO start trying to get out the vote. Go to the McCain website and sign up to campaign on your area. If you live in those states go to your local newspaper websites and blog, post on your MYSpace, FaceBook.
MCCAIN/PALIN 08
http://www.news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/21/hot-seat-socialism-attacks/
“McCain says Obama’s policies amount to “socialism.” Your thoughts?”
McCain right 62%
McCain wrong 37
285,496 since 10/20
Thanks, Pj, I just voted and wooooooooowwww! The whole country is Red.
The only problem is – how many who say yes his policy is socialism also think – so what? nothing wrong with that
Found this over at Greta’s!! Please watch this video!
Take 3 minutes to view this video and then send the link around the country. View it full screen so you can see the names and dates (should anyone not know who they are). Save it, resend it often…..
THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO RUN THIS VIDEO OVER AND OVER UNTIL ALL OF US FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON!
The next time you hear the expression ‘Bush’s war’ remember this video!!!
And note that there is no ‘opinion,’ just direct video.
http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv
Pass this along to all your contacts!!!
supposed father of OBAMA: Frank Marshall Davis
Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama
New details about a black poet in Hawaii who was a key early influence in Barack Obama’s life can be revealed by The Telegraph.
Although identified only as Frank in Mr Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist and journalist who had been suspected of being a member of the Communist Party in the 1950s.
Obama’s true colours: Making of the man who would be US president
Mr Davis moved to Honolulu from Chicago in 1948 with his second wife Helen Canfield, a white socialite, at the suggestion of his friend the actor Paul Robeson, who advised them that there would be more tolerance of a mixed race couple in Hawaii than on the American mainland.
A bohemian libertine who drank heavily and loved jazz, he became friends with Stanley Dunham, Mr Obama’s maternal grandfather in the 1960s. Mr Davis died in 1987 at the age of 81, five years before Mr Dunham.
“He knew Stan real well,” said Dawna Weatherly-Williams, a close friend of Mr Davis “They’d play Scrabble and drink and crack jokes and crack jokes and argue. Frank always won and he was always very braggadocio about it too. It was all jocular. They didn’t get polluted drunk. And Frank never really did drugs, though he and Stan would smoke pot together.”
While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10.
“Stan had been promising to bring Barry by because we all had that in common – Frank’s kids were half-white, Stan’s grandson was half-black and my son was half-black. We all had that in common and we all really enjoyed it. We got a real kick out of reality.”
Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s half-sister, told the Associated Press recently that her grandfather had seen Mr Davis was “a point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother”.
In his memoir, Mr Obama recounts how he visited Mr Davis on several occasions, apparently at junctures when he was grappling with racial issues, to seek his counsel. At one point in 1979 Mr Davis described university as “an advanced degree in compromise” that was designed to keep blacks in their place.
Mr Obama quoted him as saying: “Leaving your race at the door. Leaving your people behind. Understand something, boy. You’re not going to college to get educated. You’re going there to get trained.”
He added that “they’ll tank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid nigger, but you’re a nigger just the same.”
It has also been established that Mr Davis, who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in San Diego in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene.
In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the “similarities in style and phraseology” between the pornographic work and his poetry.
“I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine.” In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has “changed names and identities…all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences”.
He stated that “under certain circumstances I am bisexual” and that he was “ a voyeur and an exhibitionist” who was “occasionally mildly interested in sado-masochism”, adding: “I have often wished I had two penises to enjoy simultaneously the double – but different – sensations of oral and genital copulation.”
The book, which closely tracks Mr Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex.
One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called ANNE. Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.
“But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”
He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl. “Anne came up many times the next several weeks, her aunt thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was.
“She obtained a course in practical sex from experienced and considerate practitioners rather than from ignorant insensitive neophytes….I think we did her a favour, although the pleasure was mutual.”
On other occasions, Mr Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on.
He boasted that “the number of white babes interested in at least one meeting with a Negro male has been far more than I can handle” and wished “America were as civilised as, say, Scandinavia”. He concluded: “I regret none of my experiences or unusual appetites; for me they are normal.”
According to Mrs Weatherly-Williams, Mr Davis lost touch with Mr Dunham some time in the 1980s. John Edgar Tidwell, who wrote the introduction to Davis’s memoir and edited a collection of his work, said that there was no mention of Mr Dunham or Mr Obama in any of Mr Davis’s papers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2601914/Frank-Marshall-Davis-alleged-Communist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html
John McCain on CNN video now at live rally in Fla.
The question right now is, what will impact the election results in the swing states?
Last week I was in MO. and I was in an environment in which my news access was essentially NBC or CBS. What I noticed was that Obama had an ad running about every 15 minutes. McCain and the RNC had an ad maybe once every 2 or 3 hours. I saw four O ads that were pretty effective: one about himself and growing up; one about education and its importance and his policies; and two negative ads that were about McCain economic policies—one ad accused McCain of cutting Medicare and Social Security benefits; one ad accused McCain of taxing health benefits but did not talk about using that tax to pay for a tax credit for health insurance for all Americans.
What struck me was that none of these ads were being answered by McCain ads. Frankly, I don’t think all this stuff about the Dem caucus rip off, the HRC rip off, O’s citizenship or Ayres is going to make a difference. What makes a difference is hard-hitting response on the economic issues. Joe the Plumber etc. The new McCain ad on that is ok but I don’t think it is clear enough; it needs to make crystal clear that the O plan is to tax those making 250k plus and use those funds to provide a grant to those who pay no taxes. I think there needs to be more hard hitting about 40% do not pay taxes—that is a surprise to a lot of Americans.
The ad about McCain and medicare has been deemed false by factcheck. He would cut money based on finding ways to make the system more efficient. The Obama campaign is trying to scare older voter. Shame!
Don’t buy into anything factcheck.org reports. They’re an Annenberg Group organization, and questionable, to be kind.
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WSJ:
“Hatin’ Palin She’s not the reason Americans can’t stand their politicians”
“The abuse being heaped on Sarah Palin is such a cheap shot…”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122471822552260585.html
Tyrone aka Barack Obama should be arrested for TREASON!
Educators at all levels – Check
Gaining control of the media – Check
Liberal judges appointed – Check
Recruit, train, back elected officials – Check
There’s only a couple of things that can stop this takeover: the vote on November 4th and the truth about Frank Davis being ‘Tyrone’s’ father. Yes, the man formerly known as Barack Hussein Obama is TYRONE to me.
Secondly, when the Muslims around the world who backed him find out he’s not Hussein but TYRONE, they will demand their money back. Hundreds of millions of dollars.
Obama is toast. There is no where in the world he can hide out now!
McCain/Palin signs are popping up everywhere here in NC. GOP radio ads are getting play as well. Obama has been playing them all long, saturating the airwaves. I think the repubs just wait until right before the election to get the most for their money.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/how_mccain_can_win.php
http://www.970wfla.com/main.html
Glenn Beck
Sorry but after reading all of this I still feel no pity for Hillary because I am very sure that she is aware of what went on to give Obama the win, but yet she is out there trying to pull votes for him and she will some will vote for him just because she asked them to.
I am also tired of all this crap about she did it in order to fight another day nonsense, she did it because she rather lick butt and move with the flow for political importance than stand up and fight against what she saw and knew as totally wrong for this nation, she put self before country.
Obama if he win this election has no place for Hillary, is he is any of this so called transitions meetings, is her name being mention even in hushed tones as someone he will look to in the future, the answer to that is NO, but yet some come on here pretending that what she is doing is such a noble thing.
Obama has killed Hilliary’s political future, all she has now is her senate seat for how long we don’t know, she sure as hell don’t have a shot at President not if he wins, and if Obama does not Hillary will have to face the younger Palin and I am sure once Plain get to be VP she will be untouchable with the strides she makes during the next coming four years.
So Hillary time to call it a day any way you look at it and she has one person to thank for laying her political life to rest and that is Obama, so who wants to follow her and vote for him is just as dam foolish as she is.
I agree. I am not sure if I could vote for Hillary Clinton again after the Obama lovefest. She does not NEED to stump with him right now. No other losing candidate has done what she has. I suppose that you could say that she is bigger than that, but I disagree. I believe that one should be committed to their principles of right and wrong. She is doing all of this due to her party affiliation. I wish for once that a politician would care less about their party and more for what is right for our country. If anyone was able to do that, it was Hillary. I feel a little let down
But people need to do what is good for themselves sometimes. I just wish she would have bucked her party.
She could stump for Barry but why adopt him?
The least she could have done after he kissed her on the lips in Florida was to turn and spit. I suppose it would have been unreasonable for her to gag and heave and call for Lysol or Clorox.
This article is infuriating. I need to quietly retreat from politics, as it’s becoming clear I have no stomach for it. Such injustice!
We MUST have the stomach for it. or others who do not have America’s best interests in mind. As John McCain has so forcefully said, “Stand up! Stand up and fight! Nothing is inevitable.”
Maybe the fix is in I read that Obama is busy putting up this massive stage for his election night party in Chicago.
Seems Obama already has all the results, he is busy giving the media cost of covering this event, he is meeting with his transition team, and national security team, we already know the drapes were being measured so seems to me the Obama camp knows something that we don’t.
Of course we already have seen Michelle getting a taste for Champagne and lobster all the fine things of life that she will need to get accustomed to as first lady of the United States.
I will not give up until the last vote is counted. Obama is a nefarious fraud, a liar and a danger to America. I refuse to roll over and submit.
McCain/Palin ‘08
He knows exactly what the consequences of building that stage will have if he looses to McCain. He knows that the people there will take to the streets. But he also knows that he will be able to blame McCain for those consequences and go the MSM and act as if he never knew that his followers would be so upset he lost.
Just like Odinga..
Sorry to focus on that man…just seems odd that Obama got himself involved in that mess.
At this time, I am convinced that Obama will likely win the election. This is really sad . I told you not to undestimate him .
Nothing will happen until Moday. Time is with him . It is very hard to turn back within a week.
Why are you “convinced”? The polls? Think about what the Obama campaign has done. They are all about appearances…touting their more popular candidate…it’s the “cool” thing to do.
Obama pays an enormous amount of money to advertise on MSNBC and CNN. Let us not forget Newsweek and Time. They are pushing for him. We do not get to see the internal polls. The repubs have some of the best in the biz when it comes to political strategy.
While one may become dismayed at the polls and the media coverage, they should not let it get their spirits down. Never give up…never surrender!
Things aren’t always what they seem…
Unfortunately, it’s not just one or even two polls. It’s Rasmussen, too, which is hired by Fox. The ONLY poll that is showing any tightening right now is the AP poll, and it’s the odd one.
Agreed…but I believe it is the polling method that is at fault. The AP made calls at random and included cell phones. I think that the conservative base is charged up like never before. I think many of us have forgotten just what the repubs are capable of.
Something is not quite right with the way Obama’s campaign is already proclaiming victory. They have said it will be obvious early on Nov. 4th when they win VA that they will win the election by a landslide. I firmly believe this is all about appearances.
While I am not a conspiracy theorist, I do find it strange how Obama and Odinga are employing similar strategies. I read that Dick Morris actually went to Kenya to help run Odinga’s campaign…isn’t that strange? Odinga’s opposition kicked him out though. Of course I did read this in The Obama Nation and have not seen it anywhere else. It would be odd to make that up though.
I am hoping you’re right. I see the rallies and the crowds Palin and McCain are pulling in, and I see a change.
But…..I sure would like to see it translate into polling data.
One problem this year for some of us in the middle. I get polled, and when asked, I say, “I’m now Republican.”
That MIGHT kick me outta the pool if they have their quota for Republicans.
I should answer Democrat, I guess.
I think a lot of the problem is that there are a lot of people who don’t answer that question the way polls are designed. In other words, the days when you’re either this or that are over.
Don’t underestimate Biden’s ability to crash a campaign. I have all my money on Biden.
*haha….
He’s been sent to the hinterlands for awhile.
You racist hate mongers should enjoy the little time you have left. As soon as President Obama assumes power, hate speech will be outlawed, including on the Internet.
Your blogs will be shut down or closely monitored and you will suffer the consequences if you continue to insult Allah (swt), His Prophet (saw), or Muslims in general.
Stop oppressing Muslims.
Cease warring against Allah (swt).
Renounce your false religions. Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).
Your grandchildren will be Muslim.
Allah akbar!
Go eat a pork sandwich and be quiet fool!!
Lordy, lordy, the obots seem to have their panties in a wad this morning!
And you will be stoned to death just to show us how it feels like.
You MUSLIM should be pissed off at Tyrone who’s your daddy Obama.
You given him hundreds of millions and he’s not even a muslim.
YOU’VE BEEN PLAYED.
He knew his father was not Obama Sr. He played you, and
HE’S NOT GOING TO WIN, – fuck the polls.
America will celebrate the demise of the communist/muslim ATTEMPTED coup.
How’s Gaza this morning?
Just amazing stuff. lynnette shocked Repubs with this information.
…and gee, what a surprise, the supposed party of oversight and wanting an inedependent commission and board to investigate wrong doing on things they like to blame Repubs for, ….. is now refusing an independent investigation on the mortgage crisis. Gee, you think now they are trying to block how it was THEIR FAULT THAT WE ARE IN THIS MESS with FANNIE MAE, FREDDIE MAC and ACORN?
Following are excerpts from an interview with Lebanese Sunni cleric Sheik Muhammad Abu Al-Qat’, which aired on Al-Manar TV on May 10, 2008:
Sheik Muhammad Abu Al-Qat’: Today, on May 10, 2008, at 22:50 – through Al-Manar TV – let me bring good tidings to the Muslims: Allah willing, the American empire will very soon collapse. They object to any talk about the destruction of the state of Israel.
Interviewer: And they are celebrating its 60th anniversary…
Sheik Muhammad Abu Al-Qat’: That’s not the issue. We say that Allah willing, within 20 to 12 years, America will collapse. This won’t happen as a result of war. Not at all. Allah will send to America an American Gorbachev, from within. Gorbachev, who brought about the USSR collapse, was one of them. Everybody knows this story. An American Gorbachev will surface in America, and he will destroy this empire.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1772.htm
He’s heee-rre. O-bah-ma …
Thanks for the review, Amy. I’m not surprised by the findings. It is the primary reason I have switched party affiliations.
The lack of integrity in the DNC ranks is beyond the pale.
It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. His grandmother states in an interview “how proud she is at haven been at his birth”. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist. Why has he refused to present all his school records? Why hasn’t he given the courts what they want, his birth certificate. Then there’s ACORN, AYERS, REV. WRIGHT and heaven only knows what else. The media continue to suppress all this information from the public. Wake up AMERICA before it’s too late. Obama is a Fraud. Doesn’t the media care of what happens to this country. Are they so committed to Obama that they are willing to destroy our system of government? If the media has discovered it and has not reported it to the public, then they should be censured.
destardi, are you talking to me?
Barky and his minions stealing the dem nomination was bad enough. Hillary going along with it and cheering him on if disgusting!
18 Million votes and she will never the majority of those again. She had support of republican women, they will never vote for her again. By the time she gave her speech at the DNC, she lost another 25%. After the way she is drooling all over barky, she has lost my support forever and many others just like me.
She must know she missed her one and only time to be a candidate for President. She caved in. Why didn’t she stand up for herself and us? She could have been a true hero, like Teddy Roosevelt. Now, she is just another lying politician saying whatever helps her alone.
She could have been ‘unaligned’ as a Democrat and with 18 milllion voters supporting her pull some serious legislation through regardless of who becomes president. That would have been logical since it was obvious the party had abandoned her, democratic principles and had selected Obama ahead of time. She should had withdrawn her name from the ballot at the Convention or just withdrawn herself and returned to her home for the final day.
Thanks to the people who commented on our film We Will Not Be Silenced. It has sort of a following out there on a lot of blogs. If anyone feels compelled to help with the Wall Street Journal doing the story…the reporter we have been talking to is John Emshwiller. He has been reading Peniel’s, Dr. Long’s and all of the other documentation about the Caucus Fraud. I do think that if more people called or emailed him it might help. His email address is John.Emshwiller@wsj.com. He’s a great guy and he KNOWS this happened. He just has to find a way to prove it and to take what would be a NOVEL and make it into a smaller front page story.
Also to whomever asked about radio shows…we have done several of them. It’s amazing how emotional people get about this stuff and we get a lot of callers calling in about it. I think that for anyone who has seen the movie it’s a handy tool to convert people. Every day our email account gets traffic from people who say they will NEVER vote for Obama after seeing the film.
We intend to keep going. Make the film NOT just about the Caucus Fraud, but to document every dirty, filthy little secret of the Obama Campaign. The sexism, lies, ACORN, the illegal contributions, crazy associations, lying biased media, racism, you name it. We want to make sure that we preserve all of this for history in case this really is the biggest mistake America has ever made and we can look back and see what went horribly wrong.
As for Hillary, we are all struggling with this. From behind the scenes, of course we all know that Hillary HAS to do this or else her career is in jeopardy. We know that. But, she of ALL people (and Bill) knows that Obama is dangerous to this country. She KNOWS who and what he is. She herself brought up a lot of his BS in the Primary. So, I have a hard time with thinking about any future support for her. There are a lot of voters out there voting for Obama “because Hillary says to do it.” Very sad. The people I know, like my partner on the film, who know the truth immediately switched parties and I don’t think will ever support another Dem, including the Clintons.
I must say, I’m not struggling with it. I was furious as the “progressives” for not trusting her word.
Hillary is, above all, a politician who KNOWS: Keep your word. There are always things that any elected official CANNOT deliver. Promises broken. The smart ones DO deliver on what they have control over and don’t over-promise.
She’s smart. I knew she meant it when she said, “I’ll work my heart out for the nominee.”
That was a promise they could take to the bank.
It infuriated me that people took up the nasty talk of the past Republicans and doubted her.
I agree. The Clinton’s know that Obama is wrong for the country. To me though, it is sorta like saying that you should vote along party lines all the time, no matter what the character of the individual.
I like Hillary and I believe that she could have done an enormous amount for the quality of life for millions of Americans. Maybe she will get the chance. I would probably vote for her, but to see the other Dems that screwed her ride her coattails would just sicken me. Maybe in another 4 years I could forget her stumping for Obama, but him and her hugging on each other will stay fresh in my mind.
It is exciting though to see what will happen on election day. If Obama wins, it would be interesting to see what kind of prez he would be. Maybe he would prove us all wrong. For the sake of the country, I hope he does. What I have seen from “that one” is just disgusting and him being a good president is doubtful. With the current International problems going on, I for one am scared to death with the thought of Uhbama being in charge.
I think McCain has proven to America that he deserves to be POTUS…Obama…not so much.
Good post…..I’m not particularly afraid. I think the election and the McCain/Palin ticket prove already that there is a solid base of middle America.
So Pelosi and Reid, et al, should think twice. They scammed their own party in the primary. They may be outta hat tricks now.
Gigi and to all who helped make “We will not be Silenced.”
Back in the summer when you were showing previews of it, it was the single reason why I, as a 50 year old new voter and my husband ( both new citizens) could never voter for Obama. We were so excited about voting but could not believe this was happening in the US. We didn’t really understand the caucus system and I was surfing to try and educate myself and boy did I get educated when I found that film and this site. I come from a country where there is compulsory voting, so I don’t understand why all this voting/caucus fraud has been allowed to fester and be so easily exploited. It is just so deeply shocking on so many levels. My teenage children have watched your film, we were all Hilary supporters, and they try to explain to their Obama school friends about it, but they just shrug it off as lies.
Good luck and please keep going, I know it will/does matter!
You Hillary-bashers all presume think you know more about politics, and how politics work, than Bill and Hillary Clinton? Give me a farking break!! What POSSIBLE good would it do her if they attacked him? What possible place would she ever be able to claim in politics again.
I swear to God, you anti-Clinton trolls–who I suspect are actually Republicans or Obamababies long infected with CDS–you sound like a bunch of whiny-baby Obamanauts. “WAAAHHHHH Hillary isn’t throwing a tantrum like I would I HATE HERRRR!!!”
Spare me. Grow the fark up.
This site started out as one of the few smart, thinking, contrarian sites around, and an early pro-Hillary, anti-Obama rallying point. I’ve seen it swarmed by diaper-messing Obamabrats, Republican whackazoids, babbling wingnuts, Thorazined conspiracy theorists, and a whole bunch of other visitors of varying stripes That’s fine, I can ignore most of the really, erm, interesting ones. I won’t ignore CDS wherever it comes from, however, and will call you out on this b.s. wherever it raises its ugly head.
Grow up, or go join the Orange Cheeto, TPM, DU, or any one of a hundred where your Hillary hatred will get you a rub of the head and a lolly. This place is–or used to be–for grownups.
Thank you for this post!!!!
Dancing O! You Rock!
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
I agree, I agree…and I agree.
The evolution of the commentary on this blog has been oh so…how shall I say…interesting.
Thank You Puma and All Affiliates for being just one of many sites exposing the blatant truth of the take over of the Democratic Party by the extreme radical left. We can no longer depend on the Mainstream Media for FACTS.
This is not an election but a COUP D’ÉTAT!
Lest you forget – this election is between an elected candidate John McCain of the Republican Party and a selected candidate forced on us by the Democrat Party.
The selected candidate does not deserve your vote moreover he deserves your every effort to thwart his success. It is our duty knowing what we know to do everything in our power to stop him! To do anything less is to condone the stealing of an election!
In the name of Liberty – Please vote on Nov. 4 and make that vote count toward the prevention of an illegitimate coronation of a man who does not deserve to be president of the USA. Please – do not allow this to happen – it may be an irreversible mistake- we will all live to regret. God forbid he winds up with The Oval Office – The House – The Senate- The Treasury – The Justice Dept. and The Media! Think about it! And they hate Women!
Our failure to interrupt Obama’s plans will in fact result in his success. The only thing that ensures him that success is OUR Failure to intercede!
Thanks NYMom…Glad you saw it. I am not Gigi…she is the director, I am the producer. But I always pass along the comments we get like yours to Gigi and John, my two partners. John was part of the petition drive to get Hillary on the ballot in Denver. He and Gigi took the film to Denver to try and help the cause and stop the DNC and Obama from making this mistake but it was too late. The fix was in and no matter what we did we couldn’t get Obama off the ballot and put Hillary back. I was so frustrated because I had a broken foot at the time, in a cast, and couldn’t go to Denver with them. But I have never been a Dem and never will after what I have seen of the vile disgrace of the DNC, so I was actually sort of glad I was spared being in that environment. I have nothing but anger these days for the liberal left. What they are doing to this country is the same thing Fidel did to Cuba. I don’t know why anyone with a brain would give people like Pelosi, Reid, and all the Obama thugs ANY power in this country. They’re just plain dangerous, ignorant, selfish and stupid. If Obama wins we have to face this country being under the spell of some seriously deranged lunatics like Pelosi and Obama. Very scary times.
This one is not staying at top. Please keep it at top.
Destardi wrote:
“Bill and Hillary are great, but they’re not freakin one man armies”
- Exactly!!! Those in power in the Democratic Party have tried to completely remove Bill and Hillary Clinton from the party. The plan was systematic, she had enemies all around her, and the media was right there to blame HER for it. She has my utmost respect. She fought for a long time. She won Ohio when many people told her to drop out of the race.
Obama is backed by billionaire George Soros, Pelosi, Dean, Brazille, many were implying race riots!!! I would hate to see her blamed for riots in this country.
- That is a lot to handle. As much as we respect the Clintons and hold them in high esteem, they are not super-people. They are human, and I want to see them fight another day.
Barry Soetoro WILL get exposed, and the Clintons, the REAL Democrats, will be right there, picking up the pieces. They have staying power. BS doesn’t.
I and 7 of my friends, are Hillary Dems, and have voted early for JOHN McCain – if that is any indication – BTW we all live in PA – u kno – the racist/redneck/gun, religion clinging, bitter people
Thank you so much for ALL you guys have done. I know who you are. Tell your mom we WILL get the truth out there no matter WHAT. Many of us are overwhelmed with the corruption and the Al Capone take over of this party. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help push the media to cover this story and to promote your film!!
Wow! Y’all have a lot to say this morning.
First and foremost, our votes were disenfranchised by what used to be my Party. It is no longer a “Democratic” Party it is morphing into what I would term the left, left, left party. I’ve always been a centrist and have trouble identifying with the Republican Party; however, this year my vote is McCain/Palin without question.
When it comes to the Hillary bashing I’ve read on this thread today, I must say I’m perplexed by many who are suggesting that Hillary has let us down. She has stated over and over again that she was going to support the nominee, which she has to many’s disappointment. She is only doing what she told us she was going to be doing.
That said, stop for a second and think about what may be shaping up as the leadership of our country for the next four years. McCain/Palin are going to win. I know some of you have your doubts but that is b/c you are buying into Barry’s narrative. My advice, DON’T.
Second, the House is going to remain under control by the left, left,left minority of the new party. Pelosi and company will be kicked out on their bums by 2010 and the House will likely reach parity or something close to it b/c the economic meltdown we’ve all experienced will be investigated and Pelosi’s fingerprints are all over it.
Now look at the Senate. Reid is the current Majority Leader. Now ask yourself, how does Hillary replace Reid? She does what she is doing – lining up her votes by campaigning for Franken, Warner and other freshman Senators. She is going to throw Democratic red meat out there to get her team elected. That is why she is using the “right wing conspiracy” language. Dem’s immediately identify with that. The power will remain in the Senate’s hands as it always has, and Hillary is highly likely going to be its next leader.
This is the trajectory as I see it. Does it bother me as a solid Hillary supporter that she is showing too much love for Barry, hell yes. But, she is a smart lady and smart people play the hands they are dealt and Hillary is playing out that hand. Trust her.
My advice to all who think Barry is going to win. Turn off your televisions, make campaign calls, donate $$$ especially to the Denver Group, and keep on educating your family and friends. And for Christ sakes STOP RIGHT NOW from reading too much into the damned polls. They are bunk! The only poll that is going to matter is Nov. 4.
Dr. Long and Ms. Croenin, this is outstanding research. Thank you for all of your hard work, analysis and rightful conclusions.
Rigid thinking……
You’re agin us or for us.
That’s all.
I haven’t a clue what you mean by your comment.
I was agreeing with you.
The issue is this deep polarization. Hillary must abandon her promise, or people are mad.
It’s a ridiculous proposition for anyone who actually values one’s word.
She promised to “work her heart out.”
I heard her. I believed her. She’s doing it.
It doesn’t bother me at all. The fact that Bill didn’t promise and made his own feelings clear is quite enough for me.
Please see this terrible threat to Sarah and Piper.
http://www.wjno.com/cc-common/news/videos/player.html?mid=audio/10-08/PalinArtNYC10-07.wmv&redir=yes
sayitaint’so, you can kiss my ass. You don’t know Hillary Clinton but,I DO have family that have worked with her. I don’t appreciate you calling her “sewage” That’s inappropriate language towards ANY woman. And as a matter of FACT I have it on pretty good authority that she was threatened to be black balled in the senate and YOUR arguments are not coherent.
First of all she does NOT have the kind of “money” that would let her keep ANY power in Washington to do the kind of work she needs to do long term if she breaks her word,and tries to take on George friggin Soros!! She also CANNOT turn her back on the people of New York who elected her as their Senator to do the work she is hired to do. The week after she suspended her campaign she was in upstate New York wandering around with farmers out in their fields to see what she could do to help them because they were financially hurting due to crop damage. According to her senate site she’s done a hell of a lot more than support the SELECTED nominee.
Now I’m sorry you can throw out thirty five years of standing up for women and children and everything ELSE she’s done all because you don’t “like” what she has to do now and yes she DOES HAVE TO DO IT. If she does not, that would be IT for her career and IT for anything else she could do for anyone long term. Is she supposed to carry this all FOR you?
I appreciate all the hard work of the authors but, it’s been overly infiltrated by bots and right wing people who did NOT have to go through this for nearly two years. I’m sick a fucking tired of the women bashing and most especially sickened to see it on a site such as this one. No one on this site who hasn’t done nearly what Hillary Clinton has done for people like me all her life is fit to call her sewage. That’s disgusting.
And don’t you DARE condescend to me and tell me to “repeat” after you. You repeat after me “Calling any woman “sewage” is repugnant.” “Calling any woman “sewage” is repugnant” Also, I’d like to know what you’ve done all your life the last thirty five years as opposed to Hillary Clinton that give you the right to judge her so harshly?
Well then do something. Obama is geeting away with the same thing and the DNC is going to allow it.
http://www.obamacrimes.com
See African press International
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/
The audio file is in Mr. Bergs control. Get involved.
All Demo’s for Hillary were robbed. Look at this
http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/peoplesvoice.html