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“Why I’ll Be Voting McCain-Palin”

The most eye-opening experience for me during this election has been the realization that the Left can be just as mendacious and bigoted as the Right. Obama’s comments about “bitter” Pennsylvania voters was symptomatic of a bigotry towards low-income whites which is much in vogue with the Left. Randy Rhodes’ comments about Hillary’s voters being older, female, and poor or, what she termed them in her punch-line, “white trash,” is another example of this bigotry.

I came to the Democratic Party because of its commitment to working Americans, civil rights, and an activist government. But I also believe in the value of work, capitalism, and a strong military. I have always distrusted the far-Left and its focus on identity politics and anti-Americanism. I believe the United States is a force for good and I believe in the prudent use of our military power.

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I see the Obama campaign as a resurgence of McGovern liberalism, albeit better packaged and mixed with a good dose of Chicago-style corruption. In a brilliant speech, Lynette Long summed up exactly how I feel about Obama:

Obama is a brand just like any other brand. Obama the Brand has a logo, a tag line, and a song. But Obama the man is not the same as Obama the Brand. Obama the Brand talks about new style politics, while Obama the man used Chicago style politics in every election. Obama the brand is for women’s rights while Obama the man pays the women in his office 77 cents on the dollar compared to men … Obama the Brand is a post-racial candidate while Obama the man plays the race card at every turn, listens for 20 years to the racial teachings of Rev.. Wright, and makes contributions exclusively to Trinity United Church of Christ, the NAACP and Care Africa. Obama the man and Obama the brand are not one in the same.

I find it unacceptable that Obama and his supporters have used sexism and race-baiting as a political tactic. I believe that Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president, and the sexism against her (and Hillary Clinton) has been one of our worst moments as a Party, comparable to Southern Democrats voting against Civil Rights in the 1960s.

I will be voting for McCain because I trust him not to divide Americans along lines of race and sex for his own electoral gain. I will be voting for McCain to send a message to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that a rigged nominating process is not acceptable in the Democratic Party. I will be voting for McCain because Obama is not qualified to be president.

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Comment by Doc99 | 2008-11-01 09:32:21

“I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me.” Ronald Wilson Reagan

Comment by Typewriterstreaming | 2008-11-01 09:56:33

Boy Reagan really was a visionary.

Comment by tek | 2008-11-01 10:11:57

Please, let’s not get sentimental about Obama’s favorite president, the guy who brought us homeless Americans for the first time since Depression, the guy who started taxing scholarships and student loans so he could give more money to the millionaires, his Trickle-Down philosophy is as bad as Obama’s Spread the Wealth philosophy.

I have enjoyed be able to see an up side to conservatism during this crazy election year, but I think people should be careful that, in rejecting Obama, they are not drinking some even worse Kool-Aid, thinking that facism is better than totalitarianism

What we need in this country is not Reagan or Obama. We need a leader who really does care about promoting a just, humane, equal society for every American and is devoted to securing the border so the benefits we pay for are extended only to our own citizens.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-11-01 10:24:29

Re: “Trickle Down Economics” - as the woman from rural NC said, “Ain’t none of it has trickled down here”.

Comment by Leslie | 2008-11-01 10:27:21

OBAMA SHOCK VIDEO: Obama calls $1 Trillion tax hike a “small adjustment” by re-defining $97K family income as “upper class”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SavgJlBLA

The key minute: Watch from 1:15 to 2:15 for Obama’s remarkable claim that $97K family income is “upper class”

I found a video clip in which Obama totally redefines what middle/upper class income is and who should pay more taxes. He is quoted on video. I think this is newsworthy, given the current focus on Obama’s plan to tax a larger number of families. The video shows Obama directly stating this. It is far less difficult to interpret than, say, the Chicago NPR audio-only about redistributive change. This is a video that’s ready-made for a campaign spot and for video news releases. All people will understand it.

In this video, Obama defined $97,000 family income as “upper class” and subject to $1 Trillion in tax increases in debate within the last year and in policy proposals. He also makes a similar claim in writing in an Op-Ed (see below).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SavgJlBLA

Of course there are other videos of this same debate, Nov 2007, Las Vegas from which you can clip these quotes, but this one just puts in the context of Obama/Biden redefining Middle Class income from $250K to $200K to $150K to $97K is “upper class.” and the top group—and subject to big tax hikes.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3638710&page=1

I wonder how many families with 2 or 3 kids in middle class suburbs of our major cities would consider their $97 K income to be “upper class.” If any of those kids plan to go to college, the families will hardly be living like the upper class on $97K.

Obama’s Op-Ed

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/09/21/opinion/opinion/doc46f35dac127eb409456532.txt

“… raise the cap on the amount of income subject to the Social Security tax. If we kept the payroll tax rate exactly the same but applied it to all earnings and not just the first $97,500, we could virtually eliminate the entire Social Security shortfall.” - Op-Ed by Barack Obama, Quad City Times, Sep., 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SavgJlBLA

 
 

Comment by eurogirl70 | 2008-11-01 10:54:46

Thank you tek for your words, as I could not agree more.

Reagan never mentioned AIDS until 1987
Reagan fired for life thousands of air traffic controllers for wanting better working conditions.
Reagan launched his presidential campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi, where the (3) Civil Rights workers were murdered and then referenced “states rights”
Reagan spent monies circumventing the Constitution to wage war in Nicaragua by bringing drugs into the country and selling arms to Iran at the same time we were doing deals with Iraq.
Reagan ran up record deficits and dismantled the regulatory laws which governed how company’s must do business, which led to kind of wide-spread economic malfeasance on display in the mid-80’s and again today.
Reagan talked up “welfare queens” but never the “corporate queens” he was willing to bend over for.

No self-respecting Democrat, let alone minority, could look back on the Reagan years with great fondness.

The Ayan Rand, Milton Freedman, Alan Greenspan, Chicago School of Economics philosophy is a pile of steaming crap!! Obama is a disciple, make no mistake or he wouldn’t have so many Wall Street “sugar daddies”!

 

Comment by Typewriterstreaming | 2008-11-01 11:08:19

I’m no Reagan fan,(I voted for him once but didn’t make that mistake twice) but the guy was spot on about the Democratic Party.

 

Comment by baby-puppy | 2008-11-01 11:28:10

Reagan was worst than GW, in hindsight, maybe the worst President in the 2oth century (although he didn’t cheat to win - except just convincing Iran to hold our hostages to help oust Carter). Obama admires Reagan. Obama is not a Democrat.

 

Comment by krp | 2008-11-01 20:59:21

Uh… I remember Harvey Korman doing skits about sleeping on a park bench on the Carol Burnett show and that was during the ’70s. There had to be some resemblance to real life or it wouldn’t be humorous. The idea that no homeless existed before Reagan is completely delusional on your part.

If there was a “resurgence” of homelessness during the Reagan years, it was because the ACLU sued forced the government to released mentally ill persons that were previously institutionalized in mental hospitals. They were not able to support themselves because of their mental illnesses and so found themselves to be homeless, but that was because of the ACLU and not the Reagan Administration.

Do you have a receipt for the taxes that you paid on your scholarships and your student loans, because that is the first that I have ever heard of that, and frankly, I think you are just making that all up.
It doesn’t make any sense at all. A loan is a loan. It is not income. There is no basis to tax it. That is like the government taxing your credit card statement or a mortgage. Please provide some verifiable proof.
I am a conservative. I deal with facts. You baseless accusations will not go unchallenged so you had better back it up.

 

Comment by krp | 2008-11-01 21:04:30

Uh… I remember Harvey Korman doing skits about sleeping on a park bench on the Carol Burnett show and that was during the ’70s. There had to be some resemblance to real life or it wouldn’t be humorous. The idea that no homeless existed before Reagan is completely delusional on your part.

If there was a “resurgence” of homelessness during the Reagan years, it was because the ACLU sued forced the government to released mentally ill persons that were previously institutionalized in mental hospitals. They were not able to support themselves because of their mental illnesses and so found themselves to be homeless, but that was because of the ACLU and not the Reagan Administration.

Do you have a receipt for the taxes that you paid on your scholarships and your student loans, because that is the first that I have ever heard of that, and frankly, I think you are just making that all up.
It doesn’t make any sense at all. A loan is a loan. It is not income. There is no basis to tax it. That is like the government taxing your credit card statement or a mortgage. Please provide some verifiable proof.
Plus I was an undergrad from 1984 to 1987 (hint, during the Reagan Administration) and received a total of I believe $3510 in scholarships and I personally do not recall ever paying a penny in tax on those scholarships. As a grad student I did pay income tax and FICA on my assistantship because that was a stipend, or my salary. I received a paycheck from the school and so it was considered as INCOME and thus submit to income and payroll taxes.
I am a conservative. I deal with facts. You baseless accusations will not go unchallenged so you had better back it up.

 

Comment by Monet | 2008-11-02 00:04:56

There was a time where I thought President Reagan was the worst president. Then a long came President Bush, the younger. Senator Obama has a good chance of leaving both in the dust if he’s elected.

What I’ve never understood is why Senator Obama claims to admire President Reagan. Most Democrats aren’t fond of President Reagan.

If Senator Obama wins, I think it proves that at least half of the country doesn’t comprehend what they hear and read. Instead they look for the “in” choice or the one getting the most coverage, whether it’s positive or negative. Popularity is more important than comprehension of substance.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-11-01 10:25:00

HMMMM…I GUESS YOU CAN ADD JOE LIBERMAN TO THAT…Aaaand me as well…although I was told be Commissar Donna Brazeal the the New Party didn’t need me…The Workingclass base that built it…So I’m voting Country First!
McCain’s hero is Teddy Roosevelt a republican and founder of the Progressive Movement in America…What was the guiding spirit for TR’s Progressive Movement?…Fair Pay for Labor. Government Reform…Small Businesses as the backbone of America…Smart International Policies in both trade and Miltary…Yeah…I think McCain is the only SANE choice…
PROGRESSIVES LIKE THE REST OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH THEIR FOUNDING PRINCIPLES AND FORGOTTEN THEIR ROOTS AND THOSE THAT SACRIFICED TO BUILD AMERICA

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-11-01 10:37:54

And I think Sarah is for RAY-guns ideology not how he ended up governing

Mack is a realistic man and honest. I appreciate that more than anything else which is also why I voted for the pair.

 
 
 

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-11-01 10:09:41

Damn straight, Ronald Reagan & Bud White.

Video I came across on YouTube talking about the supposed assertion by Obama’s step-grandmother that BHO, Jr. was born in Kenya:

Proof that Obama Born in Kenya?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiJS0fCf0Js

 

Comment by Liz B | 2008-11-01 17:04:14

Great post Bud.

I am also sorry I didn’y pay closer attention to Reagan before now. he was right, and I can now see exactly what he meant by that statement.

I have a link to a great article, there is a final part to this, that will not be published until Monday, but this is a really great read:

http://www.lipschtik.com/Latest%20Report.html

 
 

Comment by joy brown | 2008-11-01 09:38:15

One only has to pose a simple question. Do you want the whole country to look like Obamas renovation areas of Chicago? Do you want a thug in charge of the highest elected office in the United States?

Comment by AMERICAN SAWBUCK | 2008-11-01 10:07:42

HELL NO!!!!!!

 
 

Comment by Pepper | 2008-11-01 09:38:18

Always remember that you are Americans, and it is your birthright to dream great dreams in this sweet and blessed land, truly the greatest, freest, strongest nation on Earth.” — RONALD REAGAN

Comment by tillthen | 2008-11-01 09:40:49

Thank you, Pepper, and to continue……

….and Obama would destroy that.

 
 

Comment by Disgusted1 | 2008-11-01 09:39:25

Great post Bud. I agree 100%. I have added the 1 to my name because some OBOT has hijacked my name.

 

Comment by Disgusted1 | 2008-11-01 09:42:57

Yes, Bud. We’re all shocked!

Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism…. None of these beliefs are based in fact…. While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.

– Larry Johnson, July 10, 2001

 

Comment by pyromancer76 | 2008-11-01 09:44:17

Hear! Hear! My sentiments exactly. Thanks, Bud White for stating them so clearly. I made a comment at the end of the last thread and am moving some of it forward.

It seems we need an organized anti-communist, anti-Islamist, pro-American democracy movement on many levels after this election, especially in education circles. It must combine true Liberals and true Conservatives with some agreement to disagree.

And I think the term Liberal needs to be reconsidered. At present everyone in the Dem Party has been called Liberal; not everyone deserves that precious label. Conservatives and Liberals have been opposing each other vigorously and patriotically since the beginning of the U.S. We have found out that we cannot trust most of those who call themselves Progressives, certainly no one who supported Obama.

We might even have to be grateful for this wake-up call of a stolen Dem candidacy by someone unqualified and illegitimate and rabidly anti-American. What if he had had a few more years of experience? I shudder to think. These last musings, of course, assume he will lose big time.

I know my university was a hot bed of Ayers-like marxism under the guise of critical theory. Much of the curriculum was disgusting. And, of course, perverse sexuality was taught in many classes because it was considered the leading edge of destruction of the family and, therefore, of capitalism. I bet Obama has been a wild practitioner — along with drugs — or we would know much more of his background and his friends. (I assume some were murdered.) He most likely was “indoctrinated” by Frank Marshall Davis, the commie pedophile. And his Mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, might not have been too shy in this area as well. Perhaps this background might explain Obama’s vicious hatred of women — his childhood might have been stolen from him.

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-11-01 10:03:45

You should replace anti-islamist with anti-terrorism. Islam and its followers are not the enemy. The enemy is those extremist who use the cloak of religion to further their extreme political causes. That’s true of any religion.

To degrade a whole religious sect makes you as looney as George W. Bush and the other vile right-wing cohorts.

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-11-01 10:12:05

You right not all islam is bad- and we too have loonies in the Christian religion. The ones that bomb abortion clinics should be put in jail. But, unfortunately, the true Christian come out and condemns these acts, so where are the muslims that should do the same? Where are they? I can’t seem to find them. If they disagree with the radicals they should be marching in the streets against them instead of burning the flag in New Jersey.

Comment by Captain Satan | 2008-11-01 10:28:16

 

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-11-01 10:34:16

Oh good heavens. ‘Soldier’ huh? Well other than the attack of 9/11 by terrorists that many agencies warned Bush about, since the Twin Towers have always been a target, there haven’t been any terrorist attempts by islamists. I’ve heard many leaders of muslim community calmly say that their religion does not profess violence upon Christains.

Since your name is Soldier for Christ then you sir/madam are a religous extremist.

Try broadenling your perpective about the macro world of religions. Try renting a DVD about the what the history of islam (via History Channel). You would be surprised to find that it was Islam that saved the text of Greeks and Latins when Europe was still in the Dark Ages.

Try to be more Christ-like and do stop romantizing medieval Christian knights because it was their reign of terror in the middle east that makes muslims wary of Christian motives in the first place.

I was raised of Christian faith but I don’t cling to any religion. I see most established religions as patriarchial in nature, and greedy for money and power to lord over those who seek answers and comfort through religion.

What we should all do is find and render the teachings of all the great philosophers through the ages who spoke of love and a thirst for knowledge and treated both equally. Philosophy means love of learning.

Knowledge frees you from the tyranny of others.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 10:53:23

Hey Deep, that’s a real nice thought. But realize one thing here: These extreme islamists…..in the name of their god….

W A N T U S C O N V E R T E D O R D E A D

was that slow enough for you.

 

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 10:54:33

Hey Deep, that’s a real nice thought. But realize one thing here: These extreme islamists…..in the name of their god….

W A N T

U S

C O N V E R T E D

O R

D E A D

was that plain enough for you.

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-11-01 11:24:37

LINK???? a-hole.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:54:29

this is about some really nice young fellows here in america.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/797

 
 
 

Comment by Liz B | 2008-11-01 17:43:29

Hey Deep Truths,
Why the hate for Soldier of Christ? SoC is right. Yeah, I think there are some other Islamic attacks going on in the WORLD…duh. Maybe you have heard about Odinga and the Muslim attacks on Christians since 12/30/07. I think maybe you seek to make SoC seem like an extremist or religious fanatic. Whatever…if you are going to correct someone and call them a zealot and try to make them look like…oh, I don’t know, maybe somebody that clings to their guns and their religion…maybe you protest too much DT. Are you a Bot? Or maybe just a NONreligious fanatic, maybe that is what your problem is. Fact: You DON’T ever see the Muslims apologize for anything they do or have done. They are kind of like Bill Ayers and didn’t think they did enough.

 

Comment by krp | 2008-11-01 21:49:20

The thing is, that how do you know that the muslim leaders are not lying? The Koran says that it is okay to lie for the good of Allah and if it is for the good of Allah that Christians let their guards down and accept muslims in their communities so that the muslims can destroy them from within then how do you know if they are lying or telling the truth?

 
 

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 10:45:59

This is what worries me.

MSA Chapter Official: Don’t Vote; Destroy
Muslim Student Association (MSA)

http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/797

 

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 10:51:59

Muslims should be marching in the streets in protest? Because they have nothing better to do with their time.

When crazy christians beat gay people to death, or blow up abortion clinics, no one marches in the streets.
If you werent so busy being ignorant you would notice that most muslims, imams particularly, DO condemn these acts.

Go live life outside your bubble for once.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 10:57:42

it’s all right there in that book you must have your faith in.

religon of peace?

sure it is.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:11:06

Haha, I love how you didnt even bother to defend your point. Way to concede that one.

As for the Quran which you no doubt are referring to, I’d encourage you to read it first. Read the context. Read the whole. You will note, as I have, that Islam dictates perhaps the most civilized combat at the time.

1. Fight only in defense of country, family, and god.
2. No killing women, children, the elderly.
3. No killing unarmed men.
4. No destruction of land or property.
5. No preemptive strikes.
6. No giving chase.

You will also note the many lines where God says not to press one religion on another, and the many verses where it is related how in the eyes of God, Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all “safe”, and will be allowed into heaven.

Please, before you attempt to deride a whole religion, do your research. I have.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:17:17

then what book are the extremists reading and following? is there more than one version? it doesn’t matter, the extremists are taking over this religon and the others will follow. how is this good for anyone?

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:33:07

I completely agree! *high fives*
Crazy people doing crazy things is never any good for anyone (especially when the media loves to highlight it so they can brush over a whole group).

What I would like to note is that the craziness comes from 2 things. Translation and lack of education.

1. Translation- People translate badly. Done. Even arabs often cant comprehend the full meaning of ancient arabic, similarly to how many people have a hard time with Shakespearean english. Case in point: A word that means “leader” in arabic can be misconstrued as “friend”.

2. Lack of education- Those who do mean harm misinform fragile minds. If someone cant read, how are they to know that they are being lied to. Case in point: The Quran does not promise 72 virgins to martyrs. Also, suicide is a one way ticket to hell. For eternity.

 
 

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:18:26

 

Comment by Americanpie | 2008-11-01 11:55:18

Thank you for your tolerant, understanding, and insightful communique.

 

Comment by Liz B | 2008-11-01 17:50:34

Sure thing, NC, is that why they walk into market places with explosives tied to their waists? They burned women and children in a church! is it ok because they were Christians? What about over 3000 people who went to work on 9/11 just minding their own business…You have the audacity to claim they are following the rules of the Koran? FU NC. go read your quran some more.

 
 
 

Comment by Khan Krum | 2008-11-01 11:04:23

This is the very fashionable left-wing argument I’m now hearing, i.e., Islam is a religion of peace and the vast majority of its adherents only want to go about their everyday lives without conflict. However, as Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders has recently shown in his short documentary Fitna (and may pay for this message with his life!), the dominant force in Islam is a belief that does not want to integrate with other cultures or even tolerate them.

I find this argument vapid and bogus. The vast majority of Muslims may want to live in peace, but didn’t the vast majority of Japanese in WWII only want to live in peace and not kill Chinese, Koreans, etc.? Didn’t the vast majority of Germans under Hitler just want to live and peace and not kill Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.? And didn’t the vast majority of Soviet citizens only want to to live in peace and not send all their neighbors to the Gulag? We cannot afford to live by the theory that if the vast majority of some group is peaceful then we can’t do anything about the minority that is violent and determined to destroy our culture and way of life.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:12:22

glad someone gets it.

 

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-11-01 11:29:20

Islam is a religion. It has variations depending on the country. A muslim in Bosnia is certainly different than a muslim in Saudi Arabia.

Too many people have died believing that their religion is THE ONE and ONLY ONE. To many wasted lives and for what!

Because you know what if ANY ONE RELIGION KNEW IT ALL THERE’D WOULD BE ONLY ONE GODDAMN RELIGION!

I liked to start a Church of NOBODY REALLY KNOWS, WE’RE ALL FAKING IT!!!

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:35:47

Haha. Nice. I kind of totally agree with you.

Nice to see someone with a sense of humor.

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-11-01 11:40:16

Cool. Thanks for having my back.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-11-01 11:57:49

Hmmmm…The Church of BOB has plenty of seats….chuckle…

 
 
 

Comment by Tuppence411 | 2008-11-01 11:14:14

Not convinced- you’re the one living in the bubble. Explain to me why I should be open and reconciliatory when Islamic tenets flout the principles of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and does not accord women those basic rights?

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:23:30

Serious? You’re going to pull that one?
You honestly think that a book from several hundred years ago should be held to todays standard?
I dont disagree that the Quran has since been outpaced in its liberal-ness, but for its time, it was revolutionary. It accorded more rights to women than ever before. More than the bible.
Oh, and the Quran afforded many basic right to women that almost no society before had allowed.

Comment by Tuppence411 | 2008-11-01 11:47:33

Idiot- explain to me how Sharia law, which is the interpretation of religious imperatives found within the Koran is liberating for woman in this day and age?

Shit yeah, it is so liberating not to be able to drive a car, get an education, work or to be stoned.

It is 2008. You’re a fool- Go away!

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:54:12

Using petty names now are we? People only do that when their arguments are good enough to win over an opponent. Nice.

Have you ever looked at Shariah law? It has nothing against driving or getting an education. In the Quran (and not some derivative) women are given equal rights. The driving an all that are regional only.

Also, Shariah is a derivative, not the real thing, smart one. I for one dont approve of it.

 
 
 

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-11-01 11:38:54

You are full of shit. Unlike the many derivatives of Christianity, the Quran or Koran was written ONCE.

Therefore there are no other tenets. Only radical teachers of islam putting their spin or power trip on people that would follow it.

What great muslim army is mounting an attack?
Osama-i’m-in-a-cave-right now-Bin Laden?

The Bin Laden who was an ally when Russia was in Afghanistan but was disallusioned when America left it a vacuum when the war was over?

You make your own enemies just as long as you are willing to live in constant fear of everything the right wing is pushing down your throat. You need to wake the fuck up and know that George Dubya is just as much to blame for letting 9/11 happen as those 30 bastards that carried it out.

The enemy is willful ignorance and you have it in spades.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 12:06:50

more often than not these imams preach hateful anti-amercian bullshit and that’s what im taking about. the peaceful muslims better stand up and realize that something very bad is coming to them if they don’t denouce the radicaliztion of there religon. i think when it comes down to it, they will all follow. read the article. these are collage students right here getting a taxpayer funded eductaion! are you stupid or what? the collages in this country is the modern day trojon horse, all on the taxpayer!!

nice

 
 
 

Comment by torland077 | 2008-11-01 12:01:08

Not Convinced,
Please give me an example of a crazy christian, as a part of their christian beliefs, beating gays to death (I can sight tons of Muslims as a tenet of their faith calling for and killing gays, including “moderate” muslim emams in Iraq) and when there were bombings of abortion clinics there were protests in the streets and we enacted laws and prosecuted those people.

Your defense of Islam may be theoretical but is is not practical. The atrocities being inflicted in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Philipines, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Malaysia, Lebanon, and on and on and on…
There are millions of victims, right now, of Islamic extremism. Murders, genocide, rapings, infanticide, maimings, sexual oppression, kidnappings, imprisonments, and on and on and on…And the moral equivilant in Christianity that you cite is gays being beat up and abortion clinic bombings. When is last time either of those has happened?
You might be right and true Islam is peaceful (based on my study and discussion with people who are experts, live in muslim nations, etc. I doubt it) but if you are right you should spend more time working to correct the F-ed up state of your religion and less time being critical of those who criticize it. I am a devoted Christian and I guarantee you if people were, in the name of Christianity, doing what they are doing in the name of Islam on the incredible scale that they are, I would be ashamed to admit I was a Christian and I would fully understand when people were critical of my religion. In fact I’d be really, really, really, pissed at those who were giving my faith such a bad name.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 12:10:46

there is true hope in the world.

point made.

 

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 12:25:35

Look. You seem like a smart guy/gal. If I were to tell you that my study of the religion itself, not from a second hand source but from personal study, that I see it as a religion of peace, would you not believe me? Because honest to god, I do so believe.

As for your first point, I agree with you. People are violent. In today’s current atmosphere, more muslims are violent than most anyone else. Its an atrocity. Really, I mean it. Muslims need to get their heads on straight and actually pay atention to their religion. But you cant say that christians have never done the same.
Also, I should like to note that of course my defense of the religion is theoretical and not practical. People =/= religion. Someone attacked my RELIGION, and not those who perform horrible acts. Therefore I defended my RELIGION. Not those who have done horrendous deeds. As a devout christian, you must be able to understand that.

Comment by torland077 | 2008-11-01 12:45:46

That is fine. I understand defending your religion but in that discussion, I think, you need to first acknowledge how those of us who are on the outside would be highly suspicious and critical and not try to draw the moral equivalence to abortion bombings and gay assaults. They are not the same.

Christianity without question had a violent period when the true message of Christ was commandeered by immoral men (inquisition, Catholic persecution of the reformation, protestant wars) and that makes a much more legitimate argument. Again there needs to be a greater, visible outcry from those of you peaceful Muslims if you are ever to convince “us” that you are the norm and not the exception.

The greatest threat to your “true” Islamic faith are not those of us who critique your religion based on the extremists but the extremists themselves.
Turn your fire there.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 13:17:03

They are not the same. But they are similar. They have similar roots: extremism and misunderstanding of religion.

I would like to say that I do understand the skepticism of Islam. Of course I do. I lived through 9/11 in the US.

But people need to understand that everyday muslims (particularly young ones) are VERY vocal. My small community (of no more than 100 counting kids) was very vocal in the aftermath of 9/11, both in condemning the attacks and spreading the understanding of Islam. Its just that everyday people dont get heard. Just like TV crews dont report everytime a christian says that blowing up abortion clinics is wrong.

Many people say “well why dont your leaders say anything?” Imams do. Many of them. No big ones say anything because islam lacks a central hierarchy. There is no pope, or archbishop (We have an ayatollah, but he’s just crazy). Expecting a “muslim leader”, like say the king of Saudi, to condemn terrorist attacks is the same as expecting old Georgy to condemn every abortion clinic bombing or hate crime. It should not be expected.

Comment by torland077 | 2008-11-01 13:40:32

Again you equivocate.

“Expecting a “muslim leader”, like say the king of Saudi, to condemn terrorist attacks is the same as expecting old Georgy to condemn every abortion clinic bombing or hate crime. It should not be expected.”

If these things were being done on the MASSIVE scale that the atrocities in the name of Islam are being perpetrated I sure as hell would expect to have George and everybody else with any leadership position and Christian persuasion to speak out. I could give you quote after quote of Christian politicians and Christian leaders who have spoken out against abortion clinic bombings and Gay assaults and they are one, one millionth of the scale of Muslim atrocities.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 13:50:17

I could do the same for muslim leaders if I had either the time or care. It happens; dont be fooled. The media can never be trusted to be fair, as I’m sure you know.

Look, I know that it happens on a bigger scale, but you must realize that much of it happens in war zones, no?

And, you still fail to acknowledge that the average muslim does speak out against extremism. Which pretty much puts the average muslim at the same slot as the average chirstian.

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Comment by DeaninMi | 2008-11-01 13:43:47

You could make an argument that what some minority segments of Christianity are doing, in essence, is in no terms unlike what modern extremist Muslims are doing.

Case in point: The Right Reverant Father Fred Phelps and his happy little band of Westboro extremist Christian crazies.

Or is it normal for Christian’s to terrorize grieving family members of fallen service members? The point is, there are extremes to both religions.

Of course, I may be rather partisan on this issue, as I was raised a Christian, but was involved in a mugging incident in which a Muslim man saved me. I guess that incident made me wake up to the fact that there are good people in both religions, both espouse peace, but their followers can become zealots in some cases.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by sjc-tx | 2008-11-01 14:20:35

You should replace anti-islamist with anti-terrorism. Islam and its followers are not the enemy.

deeptruths… Have you read much of the koran??? Christians are NOT welcome in the world of Islam…

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 14:28:21

Dare I laugh at that?

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever read the Quran? If you had, you would know that what you said is not true.

Islam considers Christians to be “people of the book”, or people who believe in the same God as muslims. MEANING, they are welcome in Islam.

That is much more than the Bible gives muslims.

 
 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 11:32:31

I agree. I think there will be a huge shift in colleges.

Students are now invited into the political discourse, and I suspect that liberal professors are going to find that a bit disconcerting.

They have lost their “captive” audience. :)

 
 

Comment by sarainitaly | 2008-11-01 09:45:10

go bud! right on.

 

Comment by Pennsylvania Red | 2008-11-01 09:46:18

John Fitzgerald Kennedy on taxes:

“It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.”

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president’s news conference

“Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.”

John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964

“In today’s economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues.”

John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President”

No 0bamacrat, he.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-11-01 10:14:54

Great quotes

 
 

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 09:50:37

I am voting for Obama/Biden because they are more likely to build peace as a counterterrorism measure than McCain/Palin.

Here is my argument:

I do not want to hear the apparently inevitable Osama bin Laden message on Monday, November 3. I do not mind an expert analysis that garners whatever intelligence that is deemed as valuble. However, if I interpret the Bush Administration rationale for recent special ops interventions correctly, then the recent status of Al Qaeda has been changed from asymmetric war foe to a global criminal organization not unlike the Mafia. I do not want to hear from the Mafia either and chances are we won’t but why line up and empower Al Qaeda with the gift of Voice. I would rather hear from the candidates on America’s intentions for building peace around the world. The latter has been touched on in passing by Barack Obama and not at all by a militant John McCain. I gather that any view on OBL’s crap does not settle well currently because America is locked into its own economic crisis and the candidates are very focused on what is politically correct. Regardless, precedents for ‘peacebuilding’ efforts have continued to advance the peace process in other parts of the world and, on Monday, I would like the candidates to talk about such efforts as e.g. reconciliation in Iraq (1), winning hearts and minds in Pakistan (2), concern for the future of the Afghani people (3), President Jimmy Carter’s and Egypt’s attempts to build peace in the Middle East etc. I would rather hear about the current status of building peace around the world than listen to the preachings and recruitment pitch of some big-time crime Boss.

(1) Daveed Garteinstein Ross’ posts at The Counterterrorism Blog re: Iraqi Awakening

(2) Singapore’s Rohan Gunaratna’s audience with Pakistan’s PM Gilani

(3) An interpretation of Barack Obama’s hypothesized Afghanistan foreign policy

Comment by Pennsylvania Red | 2008-11-01 09:55:52

Evidently Joe Biden does not agree with you.

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 10:19:33

My argument is that Bush Administration has issued a military-only response to the GWOT and that were no overt plans or funding on the part of the Bush Administration for postconflict Iraq. The only covert plans that I am aware are private security contracts. I agree with you - Biden has been characterized as a interventionist - correct me if I am wrong. However, it is the form and substance of Biden’s intervention that remains to be seen. I contend that Biden’s future intervention will be shaped by a concern for a nation’s people i.e. the nation that America has chosen to focus on. Yes, McCain loves the troops but does he share that love with the Iraqi people who have also suffered the costs of war? I haven’t heard it - maybe you have?

Comment by Pennsylvania Red | 2008-11-01 10:22:02

All I can say is if n0bama wins, get your loins girded and quick!

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 10:38:06

Are we going to have a nuclear war with Russia? Palin would probably and I think she say - “Perhaps so”. There is more at stake than my loins.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:09:55

PH: i’ve read your arguments and “peacebuilding” is a wonderful thing.

here’s the thing, radical islam wants to be the global religon, all nations, all people and they will destroy all who appose them. you need to do some serious research here.

check out the link below, these people are here right now.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/797

 

Comment by baby-puppy | 2008-11-01 11:37:44

Obama is playing with the lives of our troops by making backdoor deals with Iraq, trying to delay troop drawdown until after our elections. Pure scum.

 

Comment by torland077 | 2008-11-01 12:12:59

PH,
what you just said here is stupid. And uninformed. What Sara Palin said was Georgia should be a NATO country and we should defend it. Whatever that takes. That’s what you do when you are allies. Same position I believe of every one in this election.

Also she said, in the context of her “you can see Russian from Alaska” comment that was edited out of her Charlie Gibson interview, that because we are so close to Russia we need to do all we can through diplomacy to maintain a good, working relationship. The close proximity reminds you that war with them is not a good option not a cold war, not a hot war.

That’s what she said, hope that puts your ill informed mind at ease.

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 13:12:36

I was replying to the loins comment. I haven’t heard anything substantive from Sarah Palin on any foreign policy issue. From what I understand, Sarah Palin will require a lot of on-the-job training which may be o.k. if you are employed by MacDonald’s. This training will include putative changes in how America intervenes in foreign countries with the historical precedent of globalization as a replacement for the Cold War.

Comment by torland077 | 2008-11-01 13:24:49

Um… I think the quote above is about foreign policy.

You act like this is something that you either know or you don’t. Obama has 0 foreign policy experience and only began learning it when he began running for president. If you are concerned about substantive foreign policy knowledge John McCain wins over Obama hands down.

Carter was a governor, Reagan was a governor, Clinton was a governor, Bush was a governor. all with no foreign policy experience. She hasnt had to be concerned with foreign policy to this point. She is running to be VP not Secretary of State. You study, you learn you listen to the experts and you make decisions. Thats what they all do unless you are John McCain and to a lesser degree Joe Biden.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by tillthen | 2008-11-01 10:04:01

You forget a crucial element in your thesis, love of country. Obama just doesn’t have it, and Biden lacks a moral center. He has already engaged in unlawful acts on behalf of Obama by the arrest of Larry Sinclair with a phantom warrant. They are thugs. I trust McCain/Palin.

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 10:33:05

With re: to country and love - do you think America has a responsility to address the costs of war for the e.g. Iraqi people? Again, for love of country and for the perception of patriotism, McCain has expressed a love for our troops. On the other hand he hasn’t said anything about the sacrifices of the Iraqi people due to our intervention. If I were to ask the same question re: responsibility to McCain then I would probably get a no because these people have been, in the past, objectified as “collateral damage”.

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-11-01 10:37:59

At the height of the war fewer Iraquis were dying than in the average year of Saddam’s rule. The US invasion and the struggle after, which has been a success, have saved Iraq by any possible measure. The Iraq that the msm won’t show is building, shopping malls, schools (for girls too), a thriving stock market etc etc. Iraq “is” the big Bang that will lead the middle east, albeit kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 10:50:01

Shiloh:

Thanks for post - I am talking about peacebuilding as counterterrorism measure and yes I would have young Iraqis in shopping malls and listening to heavy metal than in Al Qaeda training camps.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4498

Letters: The Pakistan problem
Page 1 of 1

November/December 2008

Terrorism expert Rohan Gunaratna uses FP’s 2008 Terrorism Index as a starting point to discuss a new way of viewing Pakistan’s continued instability.

International observers, including those surveyed in Foreign Policy’s 2008 Terrorism Index (September/October 2008), have concluded that Pakistan will soon become the central front in the fight against terrorism and that their respective governments must play a central role in this fight. But without local knowledge and a deeper understanding of the forces at play, such perceptions are meaningless and highly counterproductive. To make real progress, the world must adopt a sophisticated and nuanced approach to work with Pakistan.

Since 9/11, Islamabad has paid a heavy price for collaborating with Washington. Pakistan’s western tribal regions, a natural buffer of defense, have been eroded. For supporting the United States, Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s regime lost the support of tribal leaders, contributing directly to an upsurge in terrorist attacks from that region. In 2007 alone, Pakistan suffered at least 45 suicide bombings, more than double the number that took place between 2002 and 2006, and the deaths of a number of political leaders, including Benazir Bhutto. After Iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistan has suffered more fatalities from suicide terrorism than any other country.

To neutralize the threat, Pakistan needs international understanding, participation, and support. Unless its rule of law, judiciary, and law enforcement authorities are strengthened, the Islamists and jihadists will win. To challenge the forces of extremism systematically, the West must also support Pakistan’s economic development and the reform of the country’s education system.

Pakistan faces an unprecedented crisis. But it cannot fight the contemporary wave of terrorism and extremism alone. With the threat from tribal areas spreading to the country’s center, the world’s security is in peril. No country is more important than Pakistan in the fight against terrorism—and it’s time for the international community to back up its concern with action.

—Rohan Gunaratna
Head, The International Centre for
Political Violence and Terrorism Research
Professor of Security Studies,
The S. Rajaratnam School of
International Studies, Singapore

Comment by requiredreading | 2008-11-01 12:33:05

Philip Henika: If you looked at why the surge worked (and why McCain said it worked), according to the U.S. commanders on the ground — it wasn’t because increased numbers of troops were going around indiscriminately propagating war, it was because U.S. troops had the resources to eliminate the insurgents and gain the trust of the Iraqi people. If you read/listen to what the U.S. commanders are saying, it is precisely that eliminating the insurgents allowed Iraqis to have a more peaceful, normal life that made them more amenable to working with coalition forces. So, in effect, the McCain strategy is all about peacebuilding as a means against terrorism. Again - we’re not talking about starting the Iraqi war, we’re talking about ending it in a way that won’t abandon the Iraqis to a sorry fate — that’s why McCain was right about the surge (something Obama had to admit after he opposed it). That’s why, even though I was against going to war with Iraq, I think that McCain has the better strategy - FOR THE IRAQIS AS WELL AS THE U.S. - for getting out.

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 13:25:28

I agree - then why didn’t McCain add to his debate the argument that reconciliation via the Iraqi Awakening was, in part, enabled by the Surge? The other half of the equation is the sacrifice of Iraqi lives for the Iraqi Awakening. From what I understand the Iraqi Awakening have been somewhat annoyed by the Bush Administration’s lack of recognition for their purpose re: establishment of a political party for elective offices (which is Democracy -right?). Actually, the Sons of Iraq is American supported and their only precedent has been security and that is as far as the Bush Administration will go. The Bush Administration is a peacekeeper but they are not peacebuilders.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Lessa | 2008-11-01 10:58:16

“hypothesized” in the absence of any tangible policy he can hypothesize and never be held accountable. We are not dealing with civilized intellectuals, we are dealing with people who mutilate their daughter’s genitalia at best and/or kill their daughters with no feeling, who blow themselves and their children to bits with no hesitation. So while Obama “thinks” America will burn. Obama is a blank slate and you have assigned him skills that he hasn’t shown he possesses. I am not willing to take that risk with my children.

Palin has shown an ability to sniff out corruption and eliminate it, that skill alone which she has SHOWN will go a long way towards helping to balance the budget.

Comment by Philip Henika | 2008-11-01 13:31:50

I said hypothesis because he is not in office and I favor the scientific method which is a method that Sarah Palin has probably passed over many times in favor of her Evangelical dogma.

Comment by Wisewoman | 2008-11-01 18:00:16

PH. I am a woman and its obvious your snide comments about Sarah Palin labels you as a person who like Obama is a “woman hater”. I think he hates women because he hates his mother and grandmother. What’s you reason?

 
 
 

Comment by scarface | 2008-11-01 15:56:45

While I am not of the Islamic faith, I spent a greater part of my childhood and adult years in a foreign country surrounded by those who are. They are generally mild-mannered people who like Catholics and Mormons, find themselves occasionally having to defend certain aspects of their religion in this modern world.

I believe that none of us here are pro-war. As for the war(s) in the Middle East, perhaps in my simple-mindedness, I would conclude that without oil, radicals in that region will not be able to fund their operations. Without oil, the other powerful nations would not give two-hoots about what happens there.

But since I still drive to work everyday and consume gasoline, and I buy food from the grocery store that is delivered by trucks that use gasoline, and every day I consume resources that require oil, then I am complicit in funding such wars. There is much rhetoric about alternative energy, but I believe that with gas prices at around $10/gallon in Europe and the insatiable appetite of China for oil, coupled with the assumption that Europeans and Chinese scientists are equally as smart as US scientists if not smarter, one would think that if there was an ultimate alternative energy source, we would have found it by now.

So, as long as you and I need oil, every powerful nation in the world will always try to protect the flow of oil from the Middle East. Every president since FDR have been assigned the task of protecting this interest for the US. Election issues aside, whoever gets voted into office come Nov 4th, will also have to secure and protect the flow of oil from the Middle East. My fear is that as the supply runs low with exponential demand from India and China, this will not be the last war I will see in my lifetime.

I believe we need people like you to keep the dream of a Utopian world alive, for in many albeit rare occasions, miracles do happen. I may have been persuaded to believe BO’s talk of unity and peace, if he has demonstrated his commitment to his constituents in his short term in office, but since that resume is either non-existent or forbidden to my eyes, I cannot even go on his record. So, I am voting for McCain/Palin this election cycle because BO reminds me of the leaders I have seen who can pitch the dreams of John Lennon, but fall short in delivery.

 
 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-11-01 09:51:00

Bud, I couldn’t have said it better myself. THANK YOU!!

 

Comment by OBAMA IS A FRAUD | 2008-11-01 09:54:25

It’s pretty easy.

I love America.

McCain and Palin love America.

Meechelle and Osama Obama hate America.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08

Comment by AMERICAN SAWBUCK | 2008-11-01 10:09:40

My sentiments exactly

 
 

Comment by katmandu | 2008-11-01 09:54:46

What thinking person believes what Obama says? He operates on two levels — what he says and what he’ll do. Current example — he is secretly working on a plan that would allow lobbyists to work in his administration. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122550243866990097.html?mod=todays_us_page_one

His plan is (purposely?) naive. If you lobbied for industry A, you could not get a job that had oversight over A, but you could for B. The naivete: lobbyists often work in firms that represent multiple interests — let’s call them industries A, B, C, F and G. As a lobbyist, you worked on A. Your partner worked on B. You get a job regulating B. Guess who is going to be coming in to see you?

 

Comment by Tuppence411 | 2008-11-01 09:57:45

Last night, when I was watching and cheering on Sean Hannity, my husband asked me in all seriousness
“When did you become a Republican”? My answer-”When the Democrats installed a no good, thiefing, lying, corrupt, down low crack smoker, hypnotizing, woman-hating, born alive baby killing, SOCIALIST as the nominee for President of these great United States.”

Comment by Typewriterstreaming | 2008-11-01 10:01:38

Ha Ha Tuppence - can you imagine so many of us are actually cheering Sean Hannity??? I think the guy deserves an award.

 

Comment by Illinois_gal | 2008-11-01 10:04:08

Amen Tuppence!!

 

Comment by lisa in va | 2008-11-01 10:08:48

I know how you feel! I’m a moderate Repub (its a long story-lol), but I’ve rarely voted Repub; usually voted Dem. But my dh is a moderate Dem & he is changing his registration after the election. He is so pissed off. He has always voted a straight Dem ticket…every election since 1984. That is over. Out of spite, he’s voting a straight Repub this year. (He was a big Hillary fan; even met her a couple of times at work…yes I was very jealous:-)

 
 

Comment by Typewriterstreaming | 2008-11-01 09:59:50

Hear! Hear!

I’d add I feel like the New Democratic Socialist Party kicked me out - Remember Donna Brazile on CNN saying they don’t need Hillary’s women or working class people. I feel like that night I was told, get out, don’t need you and either shut up and fall in line or get lost. So, frankly I feel like I was booted out.

Comment by Liz B | 2008-11-01 18:12:06

Yep, I’m too old, white, fat, bitter, and poor to hang with Obama and all his cool friends. The GOP didn’t hate me for me not being twenty and a Black Eyed Peas fan. But the New Democratic Party did, and their bouncer, Donna, told me to hit the bricks and don’t come back unless I can readjust my attitude. I have no intention to ever go back, they can have their new and improved party and stick it up their…asses!

 
 

Comment by cat | 2008-11-01 09:59:55

“I will be voting for McCain because I trust him not to divide Americans along lines of race and sex for his own electoral gain. I will be voting for McCain to send a message to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that a rigged nominating process is not acceptable in the Democratic Party. I will be voting for McCain because Obama is not qualified to be president.”
_____________________________________________________

bravo, bud!

 

Comment by cat | 2008-11-01 10:02:45

Send a message and sign a petition to “retire”
John Kerry from the US senate after 24 years:

http://petition.jeffbeatty.com/

Comment by Tuppence411 | 2008-11-01 12:17:05

I just got a robocall from Jeff Beatty. And since I am still registed as a Democrat, means he is reaching out across the State. That is one robocall that was music to my ears!

 
 

Comment by pm317 | 2008-11-01 10:03:43

Bud, I come from developing country that is a democracy and left the country before I could participate in a political process with any interest there. But never liked its aspect of thugs and goons running for office — the more unscrupulous one is the more successful as a politician. I became a citizen here with high hopes for a clean political process. Obama with his questionable fundraising to the gaps in his ever thin resume to his lies and dishonest campaigning to his treatment of Hillary to the fawning media that does not question him, have all been red flags. Some Democrats have rationalized it to think this is what they have to do to win against Republicans, not in my book. My vote (and my husband’s) go to McCain with what was strictly a protest vote now a support vote.

 

Comment by Rick | 2008-11-01 10:05:37

Bud’s claims of sexism are not backed up by a single example. “Lipstick?” Please. “Wardrobe?” Not a chance. “Unprepared.” Sorry. The critiques of Palin have been based on her ignorance, a conclusion based on an objective viewing of either interview she granted. The wardrobe dust-up was a question of the campaign’s lack of fiscal responsibility and the hypocrisy it betrays regarding Palin’s public image.

The cries of “sexism” by Palin-ites are hilarious. Where was your outrage on behalf of Clinton? And I’m sure you never criticized Obama for crying “racism” when he was attacked, right? Oh wait, that’s the basis of this whole post.

Obama will be a successful and popular two-term president. Small businesses will thrive. White people will not be oppressed. Israel will continue to exist. The middle class will be strengthened. And the ditto-heads will continue to cry about the tax rates paid by the rich.

Have a nice 8 years, folks.

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-11-01 10:12:46

Even if Obama wins, he will no way be a 2-term president. In the best case scenario for his followers, if Obama pushes through very far left liberal policies, it will push America back towards the right in backlash and we will have Palin in 2012, probably 8 years of Palin actually.

There’s such a huge backlash against Obama already it will only get worse and more entrenched if he is elected. In four years time when Obama does not deliver on his miracles, he will be a lame duck as the Republicans sweep Congress and then take the presidency.

Comment by Tuppence411 | 2008-11-01 10:34:04

First, I do honestly think McCain will win. But I want to comment on Palin 2012. I wonder how the Obots and MSM feel about being a tool of the Romney machine? Do they realize that most of the anti- Palin crap is being spread by Romney 2012 operatives? they are just fools enough to run with it. I live in MA. I witnessed first hand his machine destroy Governor Jane Swift as he launched a corporate raid of the state GOP. I didn’t support Governor Swift. But I still recall the emotion of watching her press conference. She was the incumbent, the sitting Republican Governor. The Repubican primary nomination was hers, but Mitt forced an early concession. FU Mitt. I saw you do it before and I won’t let it happen again without speaking out. I witnessed what happened to Hillary. When are women going to stand together and say “NO MORE!”

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-11-01 10:49:04

interesting to know about Romney’s peeps

I’ll keep an eye out now, for sure!

Yes, we will have a President Palin. I can see it.
Quite easily. Hmm now I can occupy a few brain cells to who SHE might pick for HER VP? (chuckle)

 

Comment by Zee | 2008-11-01 10:55:39

Thanks for this tidbit, Tuppence.

I’d forgotten about that.

And also, Mittwit has five sons. Can anyone say Dynasty?

 
 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:14:16

That’s baloney, Rick. Young men who cannot see the sexism are going to be disliked intensely by young women of your generation for years to come, I predict.

They WILL get it.

 

Comment by fif | 2008-11-01 10:21:28

Rick: so nice to hear from a MAN what sexism we have seen in this election cycle. Seriously, STFU. We women have not just seen the misogyny, it has been like a series of body blows for months on end. Your complete lack of awareness of, and sensitivity to this only proves the point. OF COURSE you support Obama.

Where was our outrage on behalf of Clinton? Obviously, you were not paying attention then either. We have been protesting since early in the primaries. You probably only watch MSNBC, so you wouldn’t know anything about that. And the interviews? Try reading the transcripts online–they were deliberately butchered to give gullible and imperceptive people like you that impression. Congratulations–you are proof that propaganda works on impressionable people. How about the effigy of Palin hanging in LA? How about “she’s pretty, so she can’t be smart?” When was the last time you successfully managed a state with an $11 billion budget, and 29,000 employees, and negotiated complex energy contracts with Russia, China, and Canada? The media doesn’t think it’s necessary to examine the most obvious discrepancies between Obama’s endless words and his lacking and unethical record but they spend days on end discussing Palin’s wardrobe, and you don’t see the sexism in that? The Obama campaign has spent $600 million dollars, including $700K on their Germany spectacle, and millions on the Invesco Field theatre, MILLIONS on TV advertising, and $2 million planned for Chicago Nov. 4th. Do you have ANY sense of objectivity?

Your arrogance and obtuseness proves the sexism in itself. You are a blockhead. I pity the women in your life.

He’ll be a popular president? He’s not even popular NOW!

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 10:48:17

Oh please.

Its a very small number of women who are whining about sexism. Almost every woman I know thinks that Palin is inexperienced, dangerous, and justly open to criticism. These same women believe that Clinton was beaten fairly.
Its only the sore losers who cry sexism.

You’ll see. No one on the dems says racism now, but they will if they lose. Same thing.

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-11-01 10:50:28

horse hockey

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 10:54:48

You seriously dont believe me? Right. Because I have nothing better to do than lie on internet forums.

As god is my witness, I lie not.

 
 

Comment by Zee | 2008-11-01 11:00:04

I believe you…it’s just that you only know a small number of women, mmm-kay?

And they’ve been indoctrinated by MSM memes. We’ll bring them around by and by.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:16:37

Wow. I dont know very many women? Thats rather presumptuous isnt it?
Just because my personal experiences dont match your doesnt mean you need to make accusations. Its cool that you disagree, but I was just pointing out my observations.

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-11-01 11:37:04

I certainly do believe you but you cannot possibly know hundreds or thousands of women. You know women in your own social circle. And women in my social circle disagree with the women in your social circle.

Furthermore, I have noticed that men are quite belligerent and open about their Palin hatred, and I believe a lot of women go along with it because they are afraid to speak up for themselves. Kind of how boys also dominate schoolrooms and intimidate girls from speaking.

So please don’t try to tell us that the 10 women you know somehow has more impact than the millions of PUMAs! Puleez!

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:42:42

Ok, you have point, and I already said that the women I know might disagree whith those you know.
But, and I can just feel the attacks coming now, I’m still in school. Which means I meet more women that just those in my circle.
Also, while your “belligerent men” argument makes sense, the women I know are quite vocal and aggressive in comparison to the guys. Not saying your wrong, just you know.

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-11-01 11:54:37

“In school” - proving my point even more - young women at that age are much more likely to go along with the boys because they are very insecure compared to women over 30. Once again, you are not offering a representative sample and I bet if you did a study of a lot of these young women you’d find their opinions behind closed doors in safe environments are much different from the “vocal and aggressive” front they put on in order to fit in at school.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 12:38:20

Of course I’m not saying that the women I know represent all women. I type from personal knowledge, as do most here.

Also, I dont think you give women enough credit. If what you say is true, and they are more vocal and aggressive just to fit in, they would go the extra mile to claim sexism!

You say that women are scared to cry sexism, but at the same time want to be as aggressive as possible to fit in? Is it just me, or do those two just not seem to fit together very well?

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-11-01 14:36:32

You don’t get it. It does not attract BOYS to be going on about sexism. GET IT?

Yours is the generation of females who kiss each other in front of their boyfriends to impress them. I have seen this in action. These are post-feminist women who cannibalize themselves due to the extreme pressures around them.

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Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-11-01 11:59:52

PS You also need to check out my article on the Closet PUMA Phenomenon - a lot of PUMAs are underground because they don’t want to rock the boat with their friends/jobs and the environment is so hostile:

http://hillaryorbust.com/2008/10/the-closet-puma-phenomenon/

Also read the comments there for more on that.

Comment by requiredreading | 2008-11-01 12:42:04

Also - young women think that sexism is dead. The college females I know tell me they never experience sexism and it’s not an issue. And I tell them - wait until you get out into the workplace and experience the sometimes very subtle, maddening, frustrating, and unfair forms of discrimination that you can’t formally fight against without being labeled a “whiner.” And there are God-only-knows how many voting women out there for whom all those years of condescension took on meaning when Hillary was treated like crap by Obama, the Democratic Party, and the media. And that runs deep; the sad thing is that the young girls aren’t listening and will have to experience the same damn thing.

Comment by wow | 2008-11-02 00:17:21

“closet puma phenomenon”?

lolz!

yes, you guys are so closet that hillary got blown out of the water!

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Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:35:43

inexperienced? intersting, then let me ask you, if Jimmy Carter, Ronald Regan, Bill Clinton, and George W Bush were all governor’s and qualified to run for and win the presidency, that no one comments on this fact when they speak about Sarah Palin, running for the Vice-President position not being qualified.

hmmmmm

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:38:58

I seem to recall a time when the entire McCain campaign was based on Obama’s experience. Why is ok to question his experience, but no Palin’s?

That, my friends, is sexism.

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:50:29

ummm, carter, regan, clinton, bush all governor’s…..palin is a current governor.

get the picture.

hello?

 

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-11-01 11:55:58

Hellooooooo Obama is at the TOP OF THE TICKET?? Or did Obamabots somehow forget what the position of VP actually does?

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 12:30:58

He is, and therefore I believe that his experience should be questioned.
But so should Palin’s. She’s only a heartbeat away from the presidency (with McCain’s age, more so than most).

I believe that the experience should always be looked at, regardless of gender.

Therefore, its a fair game to call out Palin for inexperience, and not sexism.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-11-01 12:38:53

Palin already has more experience than Obama. Obama’s “street organizer” in-your-face experience doesn’t count….he’s barely been a first term senator as he has been running for Prez the whole time. Even his Ill state experience was part time (like GW’s part time job in Texas). No, hands down Palin is far more qualified than Obama and she’s running for VP.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 12:48:20

*sigh*

I wont say she’s more or less experienced. All I will say is that people really need to quit saying that any criticism of Palin is sexism.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 11:49:37

I see that, too.

What’s funny to me?

The ones who are saying that are far, far less independent than I am, and they know it.

I scare them.

And I just smile at them when they spout this stuff.

Women aren’t any more astute about this than the young men I hear spouting off Obabot nonsense.

They are all equally in the same boat.

They will mature, slowly, as everyone does.

 

Comment by Annie McOakley | 2008-11-01 13:00:23

Whining about sexism?
Sore losers who cry sexism?

Yes, I do see.

 

Comment by La Compania Volante | 2008-11-01 14:14:16

Re: Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 10:48:17

Oh please.

Its a very small number of women who are whining about sexism. Almost every woman I know thinks that Palin is inexperienced, dangerous, and justly open to criticism. These same women believe that Clinton was beaten fairly.
Its only the sore losers who cry sexism.

You’ll see. No one on the dems says racism now, but they will if they lose. Same thing.

Smooth move there–you, a guy (or are you one of those strange women who are as clueless as the average guy regarding sexism?), trying to convince women to accept their reasoning by insulting their intelligence, condescending to them, and accusing them of being a whining minority. Westerners have a saying about that kind of arrogance: “That old boy couldn’t figure out how to pour piss out of a boot even if the instructions were written on the heel.”

 
 
 

Comment by Captain Satan | 2008-11-01 10:32:56

* * TROLL ALERT!! * *

 
 

Comment by Annie McOakley | 2008-11-01 10:06:19

I find it unacceptable that Obama and his supporters have used sexism and race-baiting as a political tactic.

I realized in this election that you, Bud, must shut up. You have no standing. Look at yourself. You’re white, right? If you cannot identify with a race then you at least need an ethnic hook. But “Bud White”? No, no, no. You’re getting nowhere with that. And look Bud, you are not even a woman, so your absolute last chance, Bud, is to be a young radical who can join the rainbow coalition by disavowing your own nation, your own people for being an inherently racist construct. You can apologize and denounce. That is your only hope. Use Bill Ayers, the privileged, rich, spoiled trust fund baby as your role model. Good luck. Me, as an older woman deemed useless by the new and improved America, I’m going to go iron some brown shirts.

 

Comment by fif | 2008-11-01 10:09:53

“The most eye-opening experience for me during this election has been the realization that the Left can be just as mendacious and bigoted as the Right. O

I will be voting for McCain because I trust him not to divide Americans along lines of race and sex for his own electoral gain. I will be voting for McCain to send a message to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that a rigged nominating process is not acceptable in the Democratic Party. I will be voting for McCain because Obama is not qualified to be president.”

Right on Bud! As a woman, the vicious hypocrisy of the “feminists” in this country toward both Clinton and Palin has been shocking and despicable. Obama has brought out the worst in people–sexism, racism, classism.

Bottom line for me:
I will NOT endorse the corrupt primary campaign methods used to select, not elect, the nominee.
I will not endorse the race-baiting and misogyny.
I will not endorse the power-hungry DNC leaders who felt their agenda was more important than the most fundamental tenet of our democracy: one person one vote.
I will not endorse the hypocrisy, bullying and intimidation tactics of the Obama campaign and his supporters.
I will not endorse the blatant and dangerous media bias, which threatens the checks and balances of our democracy.
I will not endorse the obscene amounts of money spent to shove this “Brand” down our throats. Our democracy is not for sale–at least not with my vote.
I will not endorse a candidate who has not earned the right to be president. Where is his long history of service to our country? 55 days/year as a State Senator, and 1 year as a Senator? Please.

I do not agree with McCain on certain issues, but I trust him as a true public servant with our country’s best interests at heart. He HAS earned the right to be president–just ask all the Democrats who have endorsed him in the past, including Kerry, Daschle, & Biden.

NOBAMA NOV. 4th, and proud of it. Country before Party.

Comment by witness08 | 2008-11-01 12:17:03

 
 

Comment by OBAMA IS A FRAUD | 2008-11-01 10:11:18

Rick…yet another total idiot. You ignorant trolls just keep proving the fact that only low lifes are voting for OHitler. And he will NEVER run this country, never. If your liberal wing nut troll azz doesn’t like it, move to CUBA you freak.

Comment by Typewriterstreaming | 2008-11-01 11:14:35

If O’Hitler does win these trolls are going to be the first of those he kicks to the curb. Any which way you look at it, they are in for a rude awakening. Tough.

 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:12:28

I’m voting for McCain/Palin with pride. The antics of the boyz in the DNC turned me off early in the primary. Then Obama turned me off with unfair tactics while pretending to be aboveboard.

I explored Mccain. That was enough to scare me initially. *haha 35-year straight Dem ticket voter here.

But I checked him out on the computer. I decided to keep an open mind. The more I checked him out, the more at ease I felt. He’s a moderate, in my opinion. And his style and attitude about government, the necessity of making sure your process of campaigning lines up with your values, appealed to me. I’m not opposed to negative campaigning. I AM opposed to pretending you’re not negatively campaigning, if that makes sense.

I like straight talk much more than nuanced BS.

Then, he added Palin to the mix, and I really like her style. I’m not keen on her anti-abortion or on her anti-gay marriage stance, but I felt at ease and trusted her when she said, “My personal beliefs are just that….and will not affect me on a bigger political level.” John has never hidden the fact that he’d like to see conservative supreme court judges who do not overstep the bounds of the constitution. So I saw no conflict there.

But I ultimately agree with Bill Clinton, who says: People vote for the person whom they sense can deliver on some of the promises made.

The DNC has shown itself to be highly irresponsible this year. Pelosi has been out of control already, and she’s not even yet really been given a green light. I can only imagine the future with a Dem majority and a president, too boot.

No thanks.

Those are my core reasons for voting McCain.

He’s got the real experience. He’s got the better economic grip. He’s got a clear eye on military needs. And most important, he’s about the country, not about his own ego.

 

Comment by BerlinBerlin | 2008-11-01 10:12:37

Since I am from Western Europe, I am full aware of the anti Americanism that is BO’s core belief.
It is a popular view over there too.
Still, a person with those beliefs towards his own country would probably not become elected president in those states.
His intentions to become president are towards an America that does not exist now.
Even though I don’t take BO serious at all and take every word out of his mouth as a lie.
The slogan CHANGE makes sense all of a sudden. He wants to be president of a state that has yet to be created.
If Americans really have such a low opinion of themselves to vote for this guy, they maybe deserve him.
But keep in mind, that then the flag burners and terrorists have really succeeded.
They are going to laugh their asses off.
Vote McCain/Palin 08
Hillary 12

Comment by Annie McOakley | 2008-11-01 10:54:42

Yes, you would think that electing the president of this nation would mean that a) that person loved the country, its people and wanted to lead them, and b) that the oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution would be a pre-requisite. Not this year. No the Uniter has run on dividing the people: by race, by gender, by age and by class. He has already waged cultural war on us and plans to do real harm when given unchecked power. He has already said that the nation is going to be fundamentally changed when he is elected. People are assuming this is a good thing, this fundamental change he plans, but we’ve already seen many indications that an Obama administration will not be benign. He’ll say that the gloves have to come off and he has to bring a gun to a knife fight. His Obamatrons will put on their uniforms. The white, privileged young males will be his shock troops, because they do indeed hate their own people. Makes me sorry I ever wiped their ungrateful butts.

 
 

Comment by IronMan | 2008-11-01 10:14:03

Tuesday, January 08, 2008

The final Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in New Hampshire’s Democratic Presidential Primary shows Barack Obama leading Hillary Clinton 37% to 30%.

The Illinois Senator enjoys a more than 2-to-1 advantage among Independent voters likely to vote in the Democratic Primary.

mmmkay…the polls always inflate Barry’s support, New Hampshire was a perfect example!

Obama couldn’t close the deal in New Hampshire against Hillary Clinton.

PUMAs are makign a difference in key states like PA, Ohio!

Remember New Hampshire and vote Country First!!

Obama is on defense!!

Now is the time to strike!!

No Retreat! Onward to VICTORY!!

McCain-Palin ‘08 !!

ROAR PUMAs ROAR!!

 

Comment by Bill Dupray | 2008-11-01 10:15:58

GOP Internal Polls (NJ, CA, MI, PA) Show Possible Landslide for McCain

There are two Americas all right. Obama,the media, and ACORN in one. The American people in the other.

This may not even be close.

http://patriotroom.com/?p=3672

Comment by Ted Kennedy's Swim Coach | 2008-11-01 13:45:29

Bill,

Great news. I also think that McCain will have a strong showing in Illinois, better than is expected.

I have a few friends that were Obama supporters that are now turned off by him. Two are now voting for Nader because they think it won’t make a difference since BHO will get Illinois anyway, but it cuts into his lead nonetheless.
These people are hard core dems that would never vote Repub, but they figure that voting for Nader will show their displeasure.

These are folks that I would not quite call Obots. They are not Kool aid drinkers, but they are third generation dems and might not vote R either. They are democrats, would probably not ever vote Repub, but if they did not like the dem candidate would not vote or vote third party.
They are now starting to see what a sham Obama is and will not help him in his quest for dictatorship.

What I find interesting is that Obam has been airing a lot of ads here;
why would he do that if it’s in the bag?

 
 

Comment by Rick | 2008-11-01 10:16:17

What do you people not understand about the democratic primary? The rules stated the person with the most delegates wins. The whole Florida/Michigan kerfuffle was a disgrace, but all candidates agreed to the rules in advance. It was only the loser who complained after the fact.

And now the right has trumped up the bogus ACORN scandal, and is calling Obama’s campaign “Chicago-style corruption.” Which means, of course, that you’re going to cry in your beers over the outcome of this election. You’re going to make the absurd claim that a 200 point EC victory by Obama (369-169) was “stolen” and is somehow equivalent to Florida in 2000. Well FU. Obama is going to blow McPain out because he is the far superior candidate.

Comment by FenelonSpoke | 2008-11-01 10:33:27

Gee, Rick- FU adds so much to your argument; I say “No deal” to the Obama thugocarcy.

 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:35:06

I found the entire DNC debacle to be the most shameful example of backroom politics I have seen since my youth, when Chicago Democratic politics were common, embarassing, and eventually was stomped out by the party.

No, what went down was unacceptable.

And I’ve not yet seen a single sign that this new Democratic Party coalition sees what was wrong. They mostly express what you do.

That’s quite OK, in my opinion.

However, I’ll never join that type of political party.

Shameful. It was absolutely shameful.

 

Comment by jbjd | 2008-11-01 10:56:54

Please, cite the DNC rules that state ‘whoever has the most delegates will be the nominee of the party,’ to which you are referring. This would make your assertions more credible.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2008-11-01 11:08:45

In addition DNC/RBC, FL and MI, what else went wrong with the primary, not to mention media’s one sided lynching of Hillary and total absence of vetting of Obama? Caucuses! These are local political processes run by good and conscience citizens of that community based on HONOR CODE — you live in that precinct and you say so and people accept it. Honor code is the hallmark of American values and living. Caucuses were also seen as a cheaper alternative so taxpayers money was not wasted on bigger primaries. It is not a democratic process to begin with but at least when done correctly it reflects the majority view. None of those things were true in the Dem primary. What was most alarming to me was the corruption of honor code by infiltrating thugs and goons into the caucuses who were not necessarily the residents of that community and who used nefarious means to inflate numbers for Obama (where they can get away with it). In addition to the usual disenfranchisement of voters intrinsic to caucuses, it was made worse by corrupting it with people who did not have the best intentions for fairness and justice. SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT SEEING ANY OF THIS AND HAVE THE AUDACITY TO COME HERE.

 

Comment by JC in MD | 2008-11-01 11:44:55

socialist meathead in lock step.

clueless and sad.

 
 

Comment by KenNOhio | 2008-11-01 10:17:00

***Breaking Now on MSNBC*****

Barack says he did not know his aunt was an illegal.

Comment by sss | 2008-11-01 10:18:07

Comment by KenNOhio | 2008-11-01 10:20:20

This is not the Aunt he used to know.

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-11-01 11:10:16

OMG LMAO!!

worm, worm, worm, worm, worm,worm,worm,worm,

 
 
 

Comment by Pennsylvania Red | 2008-11-01 10:35:31

How can you not know?

I’m the first one in my family born in the US.

I know the status of every one of my relatives.

 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:39:50

He might not have known. He obviously had very little contact with her during the years.

Sounds like his uncle might have died an alcoholic death.

Comment by KenNOhio | 2008-11-01 10:46:30

What is so hypicritical is that Michelle in her speech the other night said if you can’t take care of your own hose you cant take care of the White House.

I don’t care that he did not know about her illegal status. I care that like his brother he does not take care of his own house. It is not like he has hundreds of relatives living in the US. He has 1. And he can’t even throw her a bone when she threw him 250….

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:53:49

Those comments are coming back to bite them, aren’t they?

It’s sort of funny.

People in glass houses……

 
 

Comment by Tuppence411 | 2008-11-01 10:51:49

C’mon Ann, be real- someone in his camp told Auntie to “shut-up” until after November 4th. His granny in Kenya now has a media block-out zone around her, enforced by local police. Do you really believe with the massive opposition research team and field operation Barky has, he was clueless?

 
 
 

Comment by Loveharriet1 | 2008-11-01 10:20:10

Give them hell Sarah!
McCain/Palin 2008!

 

Comment by MJ | 2008-11-01 10:20:39

Comment by Dawnelle Leona del Puma | 2008-11-01 11:23:46

did they arrest the two gay dudes who hung the sarah effigy?

ya know they used to hang woman and call them witches!

I’d say that’s a HATE CRIME!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-11-01 11:26:05

Hey Dawnelle….There’s a group in UK who is lobbying Parliament to pardon the witches…chuckle…Thought you’d enjoy that…

 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 11:30:11

Good gravy…..this is where I part ways with some of you guys.

That effigy was actually very well done. She was dressed to a Tee, in perfect style for any good gay guy effigy.

They aren’t going to like her. Bush was a big effigy hit last year.

I think people are over-reacting like mad this year.

I laughed when I saw it. Loved her hose.

Were these guys hoping for attention? Of course, but that’s also fairly common in that area, btw.

Loved the bee-hive, too.

So, from a fellow Las Angelena……well done, guys.

And for the rest of you who don’t like political statements at Halloween, too bad.

You won this one, but I cannot STAND infringement of free expression.

Look beyond the superficial talking point. What is the motive behind the statement?

In this case, I think it was nothing more than gay pride and setting Sarah up as the icon of the right-wing.

I’m sick of the lack of intelligence and the knee-jerk reactivity of this year.

3 more days!

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-11-01 18:40:49

Sorry you don’t agree with me Ann. I don’t think I am unintelligent for thinking the display was misogynist. You are entitled to disagree but I resent your attack on people who disagree w/you. The Hollywood Chapter of NOW agree w/me when I emailed them. To NOW it was “deplorable”. Are you saying the President of the Hollywood Chapter of NOW lacks intelligence too?

 
 
 
 

Comment by FenelonSpoke | 2008-11-01 10:31:02

And this 30 year Democratic voter in voting against Obama is voting against the “charming” teen-early 20’s something girl voter who gave me the finger today when mommy wasn’t looking because I had “This 30 year Democrat is voting for McCain” sign on my bumper. I know this stuff goes with the territory when I’m advertsising it, but I have never given any obnoxious OBama voters the finger. This is after way back when I had an Edwards sticker on my car and was and wasalmost driven off the road by an Obot who cursed at me. I say “NO” to the Obama thugocracy.

Comment by Shiloh | 2008-11-01 10:42:15

I tend to forgive anyone under 30. I’m 58 and I have a picture of me in 1970 tearing down and American flag. I’m not proud of it but neither am I ashamed of it. It’s what you do when you’re that age. Vision and wisdom come with age and experience. Let youth be passionate and foolish and get it out of their systems.

Comment by FenelonSpoke | 2008-11-01 10:53:58

Sorry, while I can forgive the little nitwit for giving me the finger , I don’t forgive the one who almost ran me off the road so easily. That was dangerous.

 
 

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:45:25

I won’t put a bumper sticker on my car in LA. Invitation for trouble here.

I’m so relieved that my son and I silently decided to stop our political chit-chat. He now sounds to me like a campaign bulletin.

I do recall, however, when I was his age and younger, being a campaign bulletin was about all I really could accomplish. They have to start somewhere. Obnoxious? Yes. So was I.

I fully recall the day I informed my father that I was going to sell life-long-lasting light bulbs for a living. :)

I was his worst nightmare. He was a nice liberal professor, and I showed up marching on HIS campus, behind a coffin, protesting the war. And it wasn’t a big campus, either. Everyone knew his daughter was in that group of “riff-raff.”

That’s all I cared about, as I recall. I was clearly expressing my “independence.”

I think we all should remember those days and lighten up a bit.

It was fun stuff, too. And we didn’t have a clue, really, about issues.

 
 

Comment by oowawa | 2008-11-01 10:40:27

Randy Rhodes’ comments about Hillary’s voters being older, female, and poor or, what she termed them in her punch-line, “white trash,” is another example of this bigotry.

I for one was bitterly disillusioned with Randi Rhodes’ transformation into a total bot. I remember when she was a courageous spokesperson against the rush to war in Iraq; and, she was usually very funny. As a militant feminist, she also spoke well of Hillary (before she ruined her career by publically calling her a “whore”). I remember when she was a founding force behind Air America Radio, when a counterbalance to Limbaugh & right-wing talk radio was much needed.

The radical cultish extremism of the Obama campaign has caused major long-term damage to society, has crippled the moderate left, and has left many promising careers in ruins: Randi Rhodes is one of the most regrettable casualties of Obamamania. At one time I really liked her; her show was part of my life; and, I mourn for the loss of a very vibrant personality. She was great as an iconoclast; she really stinks as an idol worshipper.

 

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 10:44:25

I’m sorry folks, but y’all need to get over it just a bit. He’s not sexist. The media might be, but he beat out Senator Clinton fair and square.

As for the race card, I have yet to see him pull it out. And I have followed the election VERY closely. and not just from CNN, ABC, or MSNBC. I watch Fox as well.

I wont say that McCain has been racist or sexist, because he hasnt been. But that doesnt mean his supporters, or Obama’s for that matter, are off the hook.

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:47:40

Oh no, there wasn’t anything fair and square about the primary.

The caucuses were jammed with unethical Obama supporters who cheated horribly. Every single long-term Democrat involved in caucuses has testified that they have never, ever dealt with such fraudulant behavior. It was a nightmare.

Then, the behind-the-scenes crapola with the DNC.

Oh, you are so wrong.

He did not win fair and square.

 

Comment by FenelonSpoke | 2008-11-01 10:50:27

Obama referred to clinton’s “time of the month”. He called a professional newswoman “sweetie”. He gave Clinton the finger and brushed her off at a campaign rally and there was a rap song playing “99 problems but the bitc** ain’t one of them” Don’t give me this stuff about Obama not being sexist

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:03:06

Look. I’ll be honest. I havent heard about that, so I cant really comment. (On the “time of the month” thing, I’d say thats perfectly fine if true. Its a joke, and I like jokes. In fact I think Hilary should be allowed to make jokes at the expense of his masculinity. No harm, imo.)

But what I will say is that due to my close following of the election, I am quite surprised that I DIDNT hear about it. Personally, I feel that that says more about the validity of what you heard/read and less about me.

Comment by FenelonSpoke | 2008-11-01 11:12:21

Frankly, my dear I don’t give a darn what you think and I will cease responding to your posts, “not convinced”.

Comment by Not conviced | 2008-11-01 11:27:01

well, my dear, I respect that decision.

We still cool, right?

 
 

Comment by Wisewoman | 2008-11-01 18:41:22

Not concerned did you hear about this one? To cheers, at a rally in Atlanta, Obama referenced the rapper Lil Wayne as follows: “maybe you are the next Lil Wayne, but probably not, in which case you need to stay in school”. Now he could have used any rapper but he chose Lil Wayne. Why? May be the following lyrics explains why and why the young rap loving crowd laughed and cheered so wildly:

“I get on top
She drop it like it’s hot
And when I’m on the bottom
She be Hillary Rodham”

I am a 63-year-old black female Hillary supporter with 37 and 27 yr old daughters who keep me up-to-date on rap.

OBAMA IS A SICKO AND AN A**HOLE AND NOT FIT TO BE POTUS.

 
 
 

Comment by Zee | 2008-11-01 12:13:10

Will you moronic obots stop with the won fair and square bs?

The DNC hijacked delegates from Hillary and simply GIFTED them to Obama, when his name was not even on the ballot in MI.

You can’t just take someone’s VOTE and give it to someone else. Obama removed himself from the Michigan ballot.

If he wanted to win fair and square he would not have accepted reassigned votes! But he didn’t care how he “won.”

 

Comment by torland077 | 2008-11-01 13:53:21

“their going try to point out how I don’t look like the other presidents on the dollar bills.”

RACE CARD.

 
 

Comment by vita | 2008-11-01 10:51:14

i must have missed something… when did being white trash become a badge of honor?

Comment by AnninCA | 2008-11-01 10:52:38

Vita….anyone who posts about “white trash” really has a problem.

Good gravy….what elistism.

Comment by vita | 2008-11-01 10:57:33

would you prefer rednecks? either way,i sure as hell don’t see why people would want to celebrate theam.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-11-01 11:52:27

Ehemmmm…I prefer CRACKER myself…chuckle…

 
 
 

Comment by Annie McOakley | 2008-11-01 11:19:23

In a culture dedicated to righting historical wrongs, and giving more to all people of any color except white, those whites who struggle, who are poor are the ones most affected by government’s actions to redistribute wealth and benefit to atone for the acts of others. After all, most whites did not own plantations or factories or notice being particularly privileged. So, if you’re working harder to just stay even, pay the rent/mortgage, the insurances, healthcare and so on, and you are ridiculed in an election for “our” president, you might have a reaction that goes, “what the hell, what’s wrong with being a cracker?”

Why do you find it okay to be bigoted against poor white people? What do you call poor blacks? You empathize with them, no? Why is it okay to call people “trash” IF they are white?

Is that better?

 
 

Comment by Pepper | 2008-11-01 11:07:25

http://palestra.net/blogs/read/18025
New Mexico, we have a problem. As part of our ongoing investigation into issues surrounding voter fraud, we have discovered a VERY disconcerting situation. And this time, it’s not in Ohio..It looks like out-of-state volunteers and staffers are registering and casting ballots in the battleground state of New Mexico, too..
One example is Shayne Adamski. He lives and works in Los Angeles, CA, is actively involved in politics and was a California delegate at the Democratic National Convention just 2 short months ago. Adamski is also a paid employee on the Obama campaign, and he traveled to New Mexico to help get out the vote in this swing state. All of this is quite admirable.

However, according to the Bernalillo County Clerk, Adamski registered to vote as a resident of Albuquerque on October 5. That’s just 38 days after he was representing the state of California as a delegate on the final day of the Democratic National Convention. He also requested an absentee ballot. (We do not yet know if he cast a ballot, we are waiting to hear from the County Clerk.)

Tiffany Wilson and I traveled to New Mexico with photojournalist Gary Orr to check things out.

We were able to speak with Carlos Sanchez, a spokesperson for the Obama campaign, but he declined to comment on Adamski’s specific situation. Unfortunately, we were unable to speak with Adamski himself due to campaign policy.

Since we can’t talk to Adamski directly or get information about him from the campaign, we don’t know whether or not he moved to Albuquerque and/or intends to reside here, but we were curious: are out-of-state campaign workers eligible to claim residency in New Mexico and cast a ballot?

We realize that New Mexico does not abide by the Ohio Revised Code, something we have become very familiar with in the past few weeks. In Ohio, you must be a resident of the state 30 days prior to the election AND have the intention of residing there permanently. Was this the case in New Mexico?

We asked the Bernalillo County Clerk Maggie Toulouse Oliver this very question. Contrary to what we have discovered in Ohio, she said that out-of-state volunteers WERE in fact able to register and to vote in New Mexico.

When we asked how this was allowed, she replied: “It’s not that it’s allowed so much as that it’s not enforced. There is really no enforcement mechanism in place to evaluate whether someone’s submitting a registration based on a temporary address.”

Concerning? Yes.

But that’s not the end of the story:

Tiffany and I made our way from Albuquerque to Santa Fe and paid a visit to the New Mexico Secretary of State Mary Herrera, a Democrat, to pose the same question. How can it be possible for out-of-staters to just come into New Mexico and cast a vote?

The Secretary of State had a VERY different response. According to Herrera, voters MUST intend to make New Mexico their home. Much like Ohio, they can NOT come into the state for temporary purposes and claim residency in order to cast a ballot.

When we shared what we had uncovered and gave her names of some out-of-state volunteers we had come across, she seemed very concerned.

New Mexico has already begun opening and counting absentee ballots. If you check out Adamski’s Facebook profile picture above, it looks like his ballot may have already been filled out and perhaps even counted.

Adamski is not the only out-of-state voter we have encountered. In addition to others from California, we’ve done some preliminary research that indicates that Texans have been coming into New Mexico by the bus load… have they been voting here too?

Stay tuned to Palestra.net for updates as this breaking story unfolds.

 

Comment by al967 | 2008-11-01 11:17:00

God Bless America, not god**** America

http://clearblogs.com/larry/

 

Comment by sassy | 2008-11-01 11:20:14

Good work Bud!
As stated so often, this is not the party that, in the past, fought mightily for the very causes you refer to!
I would never have remained with the party of today, regardless of being reared as a democrat!
I reside in McCain country, and will add my voice to his supporters.
One half of our counties voters have already cast their ballots, and the letters in the newspaper are 9 to 1 pro McCain.
No surprise, but I’m proud that my community has the courage to speak up!

 

Comment by OBAMA IS A FRAUD | 2008-11-01 11:21:10

http://www.youtube.com/letfreedomringusa

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Let Freedom Ring is doing a great job with ads in Battleground States. Please go to their Youtube link and spread these videos to all of the uneducated friends and family you have. I am sending this stuff everywhere. I get a few converts a day, I feel good about it. It’s exponential…then THEY go convert people. Spread it around. The internet is our best friend since OHitler paid off the MSM.

And, once and for all, trolls get LOST. The Daily Kook wants you back. And I would start checking the Gaza Daily News want ads for a job you azzholes.

 

Comment by Anita | 2008-11-01 11:44:44

I participated in in-person absentee voting on Friday. (long commute and long workday on Nov 4) McCain/Palin now have one more collected vote in Battleground Virginia. This old (aged 55) just voted Republican (POTUS and House) for the first time in my life!
McCain will be a poor substitute for our Madame President Hillary. But at least he is not a nefarious nattering narcissist!

 

Comment by Mrwirez | 2008-11-01 11:50:26

Pollster John Zogby: “Is McCain making a move?

The three-day average holds steady, but McCain out polled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama’s lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all. “Obama’s lead among women declined, and it looks like it is occurring because McCain is solidifying the support of conservative women, which is something we saw last time McCain picked up in the polls. If McCain has a good day tomorrow, we will eliminate Obama’s good day three days ago, and we could really see some tightening in this rolling average. But for now, hold on.”

http://www.zogby.com/main.htm

 

Comment by Mrwirez | 2008-11-01 11:52:56

I am in the IBEW. The McCain voters are about equal to the Obama voters… That is unheard of!

 

Comment by educatedwhitewoman | 2008-11-01 12:09:31

It looks like the polls could be wrong, very wrong - check out this video and “Notes From A Battleground State”:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/notes_from_a_battleground_stat.html

“I just spent the night in Bethlehem, where this video was shot less than two weeks ago, outside of a McCain-Palin rally. Although I live in Pittsburgh, I’ve been spending a lot of time traveling and talking to people in south west and now south east PA for my job. It’s really not a pretty picture at all. I came back in such a panic last night that I’ve spent the morning crunching numbers and reading political analysis in an effort to convince myself that my perspective has been skewed, that there is a rational basis for believing that Obama will pull through here. And now I’m more depressed than ever.”

 

Comment by Goblintrain | 2008-11-01 13:22:49

In my life time, i hope i have the chance again to vote for a candidate that i respect as an American and a Patriot as much as i respect Senator McCain.

I am moved by and forever indebted to his heroic service and sacrifice to our Country in wartime.

I am reassured by his true “post-partisan” record in his decades long political career. He is not only unafraid to oppose his own party, but to even step on his own pride, putting country & principle before political gain. When McCain says he would rather lose an election than lose his integrity, i have no reason to doubt his truthfulness. How many men can you say that about?

I am inspired by how he has dealt with trouble in his own life. For example, the Keating Five. Though he was cleared of wrongdoing, even the proximity of this taint on his character drove him to try harder, to do better, & be stronger in fighting corruption within Washington politics. How many men can you say that about?

This man has the scars to prove his honesty, integrity, and patriotism. In reflecting on how McCain’s age has often been thrown against him, consider this. Let them make fun of his age; Senator McCain’s experience & long, proven record is one detail of this great Statesman that drives Obama NUTS! Why? Obama can’t buy it! He can not receive it as a gift from his party, the media, or Affirmative Action! He can not steal it from him like he routinely steals opponents campaign issue policies. No, he has to EARN it, but try as he might, he knows he hasn’t & what’s more, he knows he CAN’T!

Friends, my heart swells with American pride to be able to vote for a citizen of McCain’s caliber for President! He is a rare public figure that parents can point out as a role model to their children. Every young person can learn important lessons about how he confronted and owned up to his own actions & courageously carried on to serve his People with honor. He is the real deal, a great man, a great American, & a great Patriot!

Country first!

McCain/Palin 2008!

 

Comment by JRM | 2008-11-01 15:06:17

A great letter to the editor today in the Dallas Morning News about Obama’s promises, especially his ones on taxes. You know the ones that keep changing on a daily basis. He says: “There are two essential parts to any con, the mark’s greed and his desire to believe. Both are present this year in abundance.” How true. The Flim-Flam Man knows his marks and has taken full advantage of them. The best news is that these undecideds are beginning to see right through the con. Thank goodness!

 

Comment by vbonnaire | 2008-11-01 15:18:16

Hi Bud & all….

your last graf says it all — I didn’t even know what the far left was until this election, geez!
for me it’s just as bad as the far right…

we need normalcy after the last 8 years, dunno…
perfect one Bud, sums it right up — these aren’t the Dems I know…

Comment by Bud White | 2008-11-01 18:18:08

Thank you, Valentine.

 
 

Comment by cruz del sur | 2008-11-01 16:48:08

Bud White, I am thriled to know that you will vote for MacSame. I hope this will even strengthen your will to vote for him. As you might know, MacSame met with a brutal dictator, with no preconditions. And I am refering to his buddy-buddy Augusto Pinochet.
As you might very well know, Pinochet is responsible of not only killing several Americans, and only after savegly torturing them for days. As you might very well know, Pinochet is also responsible of a terrorist bombing in Washington DC (Embassy Row bombing, 1976)

So hey, you go ahead, and proudly cast your vote for MacSame. As you well know, you won’t be leaving anyone behind (only six feet under, but that is ok cause they were only civilians right???)

Comment by Bud White | 2008-11-01 18:25:44

cruz del sur, since you provide no links I have no way of knowing if what you say is true.

I am OK if some people are six feet under. Who? Specifically, anyone who attacks the United States.

Since Obama has surrounded himself with domestic terrorists committed to the destruction of the USA, how can I be confident that Obama would defend our country?

So I am thrilled to know that you will vote for Obama, the inexperienced spawn of the anti-American Left and the corrupt Chicago machine.

Comment by cruz del sur | 2008-11-01 19:39:25

You want links??? I’ give you the links. You have my word!!! In the mean time google, Embassy road Bombing (where Ronnie Moffit was murdered, and her 3 months husband was severly injured), Charlie Horman (he was tortured for three days)(or even better, rent the movie “missing”)

That will keep you busy till I find you your links.

BTW, I am tired of repeating here that I will not vote for Obama. But I rather cut my throat before voting for MacSame (I would like to call him something else, but for respect to the rest, I will leave to your imagination)

So hold on while I get those links!

Comment by cruz del sur | 2008-11-01 19:44:14

 

Comment by cruz del sur | 2008-11-01 19:46:09

 

Comment by cruz del sur | 2008-11-01 19:59:13

Can’t really find a link to the death of Horman. However (and I don’t know if you have ever been abroad, and specifically south of the border, but an american passport weights very much. No one would kidnapp torture and murder an american without having the consent of the higher ups. Even less two,(you could look up Franck Terrucci (or is it Terucci??) or three (Prof. Weisfeiler)

I know, that brings my whole argument down doesn’t it?? Regardless of, Pinochet is responsible of their deaths, and Federal Prossecutor John Beasly thought so when he went to Chile to investigate Pinochet’s involvement in those acts.

But yes, MacSame has a direct link to a brutal dictator, met with no preconditions, and did not even attempt to move a finger to bring justice to our fellow citizens who were brutally killed nor their families. Guess being a civilian has its downside

Comment by cruz del sur | 2008-11-01 20:15:17

 
 
 
 
 

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