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Civilian National Security Force: Obama Youth?

Several months ago Senator Barack Obama quietly outlined his intent to establish a “civilian national security force.” His adoring media minimized this and except for a few attentive bloggers it escaped notice. Yet, this is back in the news. Why?

In Obama’s World-Series-delaying infomercial last week, he stated the need to “rebuild the military.” Rebuild?

Senator Barack Obama originally attracted liberal Democrats to support his candidacy by endorsing the Caucus for Priorities. At the time he said:

First, I’ll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I’m the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president, I will end it. Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons. I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

Back in September, having secured the Democratic nomination, Obama appeared to begin shedding some of his long-held positions. Among changes, he now wanted to increase the size the military. As CNN reported, McCain quickly pointed out the flip-flop.

“Sen. Obama told the extreme left what they wanted to hear during the primary, now he’s trying to tell you what he thinks you want to hear,” McCain responded in Missouri. “My friends, you may not always agree with me but you will always know where I stand.”

But not so fast. Maybe Obama’s really talking more literally. He did say “rebuild the military”. Which military? Recall that a short while back on July 2nd, Obama announced:

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

First, is he saying that the military is failing? Why else would you not continue to rely upon it for our national security?

And secondly, create a parallel “civilian” military that is “as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded”?

He hasn’t established a need, nor has he been forthcoming on his plans. The comment has been scrubbed from his campaign Web site. As well, the media has covered this up—the video clip exists (above) but I cannot find a single mainstream newspaper that has reported on this.

What is Obama’s Civilian National Security Force? Is it Nazi Brown Shirts? An institutionalized version of ACORN, Public Allies, and some of his cult following? A state version of Saul Alinsky’s disciples?

But, more seriously, as he set out to cut the military, a consistent position until after his July 2nd announcement about creating a “civilian national security force”, does he mean to rebuild the military by creating this parallel Civilian National Security Force?

Charles Lemos writes in NoQuarterUSA on July 20, 2008:

Is he referencing the ATF, FBI, or DEA? Or something new and different say like the Defense of the Revolution Brigades that they have in Cuba and Venezuela where neighbors spy on neighbors? Surely he can’t mean the US Foreign Service and the Peace Corps et al be funded in the billions of dollars. Whatever he is referencing it sounds like a dramatic departure from current practice and current funding. And why did it take the press so long to catch the discrepancy between the speech as delivered and the prepared remarks? Why are the references in the transcript to this deleted or omitted? Should we be worried? He was rather emphatic about it so I doubt that he just got carried away and ad libbed it.

I admit that I do not hang on Obama’s every speech and go through them with the a fine tooth comb but perhaps I should, for the press is not doing its job. It is, apparently, in the business of unadulterated adoration. If he is proposing something new and different, shouldn’t we be asking questions especially since it sounds rather open-ended and, to be frank, worrisome for civil liberties.

Commentors to Lemos’ article asked if this was to be our version of a Republican Guard (Ownaa). Another, Fred C. Dobbs, asks, “Komsomols? Young Pioneers? Spetznatz? Winnie Mandela Football Club? Patrice Lumumba University Marching and Chowder Society? Legion Etrangere?”

Ani next wrote in NoQuarterUSA, Arrogant Thing, You Make Everything…Horrid, on July 22, 2008:

I now understand Senator Obama thinks our military isn’t enough and wants to employ a civilian national security force? Can you say Blackwater? Does this scare anyone else?

Then, RobWarrior shared an example of Obama’s civilian national security force, in NoQuarterUSA, The Case for David Freddoso, on September 20, 2008:

However, [David Freddoso] who wrote a well researched book, made a mistake. He dared to question the chosen one. So when he was scheduled to appear on a Chicago radio show on Monday night, Obama’s minions went to work. The Obama action alert went to the e-mails of his devoted followers and future brown shirt wearing members of his Civilian National Security Force.

Included in the e-mail was the following:

“David Freddoso has made a career off dishonest, extreme hate mongering,” the email claimed. “And WGN apparently thinks this card-carrying member of the right-wing smear machine needs a bigger platform for his lies and smears about Barack Obama — on the public airwaves.”

That’s not just lies, fabrications or embellishments, it’s libel.

Obama’s thugs were instructed to inundate WGN with phone calls, e-mails and anything else to disrupt the Freddoso appearance. Yes, they did the same thing a few weeks ago, when the same show booked Stanley Kurtz, who is one of the few people actually bothering to find out what really happened with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

The show went on and Freddoso made his case. And there wasn’t a hateful word spoken, despite the actions of Obama’s Chicago gangsters. There is not a hate mongering word in Freddoso’s book. Of course, they wouldn’t know that since they haven’t bothered to read it.

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Eastan McNeal discussed at NoQuarterUSA in Obama’s Civilian National Security Force in National Horror 101 on September 30, 2008:

It may come to no surprise that a Civilian National Security Force (CNSF) like the one Obama suggests can be and have been proposed or implemented in places like Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela, North Korea and East Germany. But we live in what is now considered a country that values individual freedom and freedom of choices.

To make this concept even more disturbing, Obama has also called for greater integration between his CNSF and public schools, so that young Americans are better prepared to be active citizens. He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and setting the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.

Just as we teach math and writing, arts and athletics, we need to teach young Americans to take citizenship seriously,” he said.

This sounds like coerced patriotism for the lower and middle class. Get out there and volunteer for something, kid, or we’ll have to shut down the library and charge you double for your books. Private schools, like the one Obama’s daughters attend will be inherently exempt, of course. His girls will never be forced to take target practice lessons and patrol the borders of Hyde Park, protecting the locals from moderate low information interlopers who may try to climb the gates for a better look onto how the other half lives. You know – like the One who…. today is running for the right to conscript your kids into his brown shirt urban army.

Soldier4Hillary had a comment about THAT, as did others:

Soldier4Hillary | 2008-09-30 09:20:10 |

I read No Quarter every morning before I leave for my appointments for the day and out of all of the times I have done so this article has affected me the most.

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

I am done with the Democratic party. Done. That one quote gives the impression that were incompetent. That quote gives the impression that we are all part of the “failed administration of the last 8 years and should be replaced”.

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set

Is he attempting to state that we have failed to keep out country safe? That we have failed in on our mission? What “national security objectives that have been set where we dropped the ball? This is like a slap in the face. So what happens to us when he gains office now that the Democratic party has basically stated we are no longer needed? We have law enforcement agencies already so what exactly is this “civilian force” that needs to be stronger than our current military and just as strongly funded? No one is going to fight on behalf of us if the Dems win if they are already plotting how to replace us.

I honestly do not know what the future will holds. It used to be worrying about medical treatment and my current medical board I am going through but the more these people talk it seems I may have more to think about.

This plan for a civilian military goes against EVERYTHING I believe in. They need to go and stroll through the halls of Walter Reed and tell them that they see that they haven’t achieved there “national security objectives”. Go to Landstuhl and visit those there and tell them we haven’t achieved our goal. I am disgusted and pissed off. People have sacrificed so many things and not once, not once can Obama open his mouth and say one good goddamn thing we have done. I am tired of reading this type of shit. We volunteer for this. The same way people make the choice to become police officers, firefighters etc etc. I am tired of people looking the other way and letting this shit fly.

Comment by Agust304 | 2008-09-30 23:48:21:

Soldier

You are so right on.

My brother-in-law is an Air Force vet like me. He is republican. My wife is old democrat. My kids are mostly independent in their voting, as am I.

I do not see my choice to reject Obama as anything other than me exercising my right to be a citizen who has an opinion and feelings.

One feeling I have is don’t mess with my kids. One opinion I have is I am not ashamed of my opinion.

Thanks for piping in. I always like your stuff.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-10-01 00:39:56

What “national security objectives that have been set where we dropped the ball?

That must sting like a slap in the face to all that serve.

What a DumbAss he is, Sargent…

While I normally do not read or quote WorldNetDaily, Joseph Farah has also asked about Obama’s Civilian National Security Force. Writing on July 15th he asks:

What does it mean?

If we’re going to create some kind of national force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn’t this rather a big deal?

I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, and Air Force put together?

Now, maybe he was misquoted by the Congressional Quarterly and the Chicago Tribune. I guess it’s possible. If so, you would think he would want to set the record straight. Maybe he misspoke. That has certainly happened before. Again, why wouldn’t the rest of my colleagues show some curiosity about such a major and, frankly, bone-chilling proposition?

Are we talking about creating a police state here?

The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn’t count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.

Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?

If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?

So far, despite our attempts to find out, the Obama campaign is not talking.

….

Who will Obama appoint to administer this new “civilian national security force”? Where will the money come from? Where in the Constitution does he see justification for the federal government creating such a domestic army?

The questions are endless.

Yes, the questions are really endless.

As Obama has not been forthcoming in what he means by his “civilian national security force” and by his call to “rebuild the military” one has to look at several of the people he has hired. WordNetDaily writes in Camp Obama in Who is Jamillah Muhammad:

The list of people that Obama has worked with over the years and now has involved in his campaign does help answer some questions. It also reflects the dark side of Obama’s intent:

Sen. Barack Obama hired Jamillah Muhammad, an early community organizer friend in Chicago, to help train young volunteers in the “ruthless” agitation tactics of the late socialist organizer Saul Alinsky. The training sessions have been held at something called “Camp Obama” inside the campaign’s Chicago headquarters.

As WoldNetDaily explains, Jamillah Muhammad “led anti-military counseling in Chicago during the Gulf war” and her Chicago Coalition of African-American Religious Women sponsored “peace clubs”. Her agenda “dovetails with Obama’s plan to slash military spending and shift national resources to nonmilitary service, creating an army of young community organizers, such as those who work for the radical nonprofit ACORN.

Jamillah Muhammad served “as director of resource and program development for Jesse Jackson’s PUSH for Excellence in Chicago.” She previously “worked with Obama as a community organizer in the housing projects on Chicago’s South Side.”

“We have to support our troops from a different perspective than white people, because our soldiers are going to return home to the same lousy situation they left,” she said. “Patriotism means something all together different for us.”

….

Obama hired his old friend and colleague as a senior trainer at his Camp Obama, which has trained more than 2,000 young campaign volunteers in the techniques of community organization originally popularized by radical Saul Alinsky in order to organize voters and help win the election. Alinsky was a street agitator who sought to “rub raw the sores of discontent” and provoke a socialist revolution in America.

Camp Obama’s director is Jocelyn Woodards, another former Obama colleague who worked with him early last decade at an ACORN subsidiary to help get out the vote during Carol Moseley-Braun’s Senate campaign.

Woodards has taught campers to “be absolutely ruthless” in turning out the vote for Obama.

Obama recently told supporters in Nevada, a hotly contested state, to sharpen their elbows in the final days of the campaign. Confront Republicans, he said, and “get in their faces.”

American Thinker has a useful take on Obama’s civilian national security force. Lee Cary wrote back in July that Obama’s intent is “about turning America into one, giant, community organizer’s sandbox at enormous cost to taxpayers.”

The immediate context for that amazing statement was a preview of parts of his plan to vastly expand community service opportunities for Americans of nearly all ages. He said,

“People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve.”

Obama Youth? Not if our vote means anything!


Suggested reading. There really isn’t that much, but if you have a few minutes I suggest you read the several NoQuarter articles I’ve referenced above (Charles Lemos Obama’s Civilian National Security Force, Ani Arrogant Thing, You Make Everything…Horrid, National Horror 101), several by Joseph Farah at WorldNetDaily (Obama on ‘civilian national security force’, Barack Obama’s $439 billion secret, Barack Obama’s $439 billion secret,‘Civilian national security force’ redux, About that ‘civilian national security force’, Who is Jamillah Muhammad?), and the last article, by Lee Cary (Obama’s Civilian National Security Force. Two other views are by Jim Lindgren at The Volokh Conspiracy, Funding Barack Obama’s “civilian national security force.”, and Gateway Pundit, Obama’s Plans For Civilian Security Force Rings Marxist Bell.


Cross-posted on my blog, The Independent View.

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Comment by Bill Ayers | 2008-11-05 05:00:05

tee hee!

that was my idea!

of course Dear Leader won’t give me the credit…

Love,
Bill

ps – yes, he makes me call him Dear Leader too…

Comment by YOULOSE | 2008-11-05 05:47:34

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ALMIGHTY PUMAS?

18 MILLION STRONG?

NOPE.

18 MILLION WRONG!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

YOU LOST!

NOW THE PUMA PAC CAN GO SHRIVEL UP, LIKE HARRIET CHRISTIAN’S SAGGY TITS.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 05:50:09

man, LOL you sure took this thing personally

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-11-05 06:31:55

I think it’s Chris Mathews incognito, still getting that tingle up his leg!

 
 
 
 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 05:03:14

first order of business in the BOBOyouth. Turn in your mother

 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-11-05 05:04:23

All I can say is write these things before it becomes illegal.

I never thought I’d see the day we would elect someone for President who associated with terrorists and American hating ministers like Wright and Phleger.

All of the voter fraud, thuggery and intimidation-doesn’t suprise me so much. Our country has become such that too many people really don’t care about principles or integrity.

Comment by Bill Ayers | 2008-11-05 05:05:40

you obviously don’t live in Chicago…

Love,
Bill

 

Comment by Pennsylvania Red | 2008-11-05 08:54:55

There was an incident yesterday at a polling location in Lower Oxford, PA.

Busloads of young AAs were bussed in, and they tied up the location all day long. No one knew who they were, their registrations were challenged, etc.
Longtime residents waited for hours to cast their vote, and many eventually just turned away. It got ugly, the police were called, Fox News was called, the Voter Fraud hotline was called, so many people were called and yet there was no resolution.

This occurred to my friend’s daughter. I believe it was on local TV, there may even be a youTube of it, I will have to research and if there is one I will post it.

As she related the tale to me late last night, the first thought that came to mind was: this is what happened at the Dem caucuses.

If I find video I will relay to Dr. Long, there clearly was voter intimidation occurring.

Comment by athy | 2008-11-05 11:06:37

Pennsylvania Red,

I reported a situation in California yesterday regarding the registered voter logs.I am concerned. California usually goes Democrat however we had many controversial propositions on our ballots so a few votes stolen here and there can make a BIG difference in the passage or rejection of these propositions.

I will repost.
Note: we ‘accidently’ caught many more such voters (who were mis-categorized) throughout the day.

How did we catch them? They looked like college aged students (black, white, asian, latino, male, female) and since we are not allowed by California law to ask them for id- we had conversations with them-when time permitted.

We were very fortunate in that we had steady stream of voters throughout the day instead of mile-long lines-so we had the time to engage in small talk with some of the people in our polling place. I heard other California polling places were not so lucky.

If it came out in conversation that they were first time voters, we asked for id.

There were so many teens and adults voting at our polling place that we didnt recognize from our community too. Were these voters listed as new or inactive? No. They were listed as ACTIVE (A) so we could not ask for id.

Several poll worker friends of mine in California reported similar incidents where new voters were listed as active.

I have no idea how many first time voters (adults and youth) slipped through that we did not catch so that we could ask to see their id. I have been a pollworker for several years in my community.

The number of new faces that I saw at the polls-really surprised me. I am very active in my community and belong to many different organizations.

There were people at the polls that I dont recall ever seeing anywhere in my community-and please dont infer I am being racist- the ‘new’ voters I am talking about included various races and age groups.

There could be MANY reasons for this however…the voter registration logs were inaccurate and that concerns me.

There were blue colored reports at the end of the registration book (supplementary reports) which listed the names of new voters or voters who registered at the last minute.

However the official main copy of the registration log did not accurately indicate who was voting for the first time so we didnt know who to ask for id. We caught many mislabeled NEW voters on our log who were listed as ACTIVE instead of NEW.

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MY POST FROM YESTERDAY TO NQ.

I am volunteering as poll worker in California.
I am on a break right now.

Our polls opened 7 am pacific time.

In California-voters do not have to show identification UNLESS they are first time voters (newly registered).

So far, five new voters came in to vote and we would not have known that they were new voters if we had not chatted with them. you see, on our voting logs, they were referenced with the letter “A” indicating they are active voters.

We are not required to ask for id from Active voters.

In California, all new voters are supposed to have the letter “N” next to their name in our voter log, That is the only way we (poll workers) will know to ask them for ID. Otherwise-by law- unless they have the letter “N” next to their names, we are not allowed to ask them for id.

So…hypothetically, ANYONE can come in to vote using someone else’s name-I would not know them from Adam, and if their name was on my registered voters log, they could cast a vote-even if they NEVER voted before in my district or my state. I would not know to ask them for id to verify their identity because they do not have the letter “N” (for ‘New’) next to their name.

Our precinct will report this to the California Secretary of State as well as all appropriate agencies out here but I want to know if anything similiar is going on nationwide.

Like I said, we have caught 5 such cases (up through 9 am) completely by accident so far .

Anything similar going on anywhere else?

Does anyone have anything else to report?

Susan, Larry, can we have an open thread here on NQ where voters or pollworkers can report observations including any voting anomalies?

 
 
 

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:06:43

If Plastic Jesus still wants this, I suspect his Wall Street masters will not, and inform him so. I also think such a scheme would raise enough alarm in the general public, especially after the media got through talking about it, that Congress would not be able to fund it, even if its members wanted to do so, for fear of re-election campaign defeats.

It sounds scary on screen, but I suspect it will be less than advertised, much like everything else about Plastic Jesus. :)

 

Comment by Richard Bottoms | 2008-11-05 05:23:42

You lost fuckers, eat shit.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 05:25:53

ahh, so that’s the change we can believe in. But that’s the same thing George Bush and the fringe right told us to do.

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:27:42

I see Wild Child has also noticed that the Oborg behave similarly to the Busheviks.

Birdbrains of a feather? ;)

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 05:32:23

I’m starting to think there’s no point in drawing the distinction of left or right when discussing this country’s fringe. They are mirror images of one another

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:35:01

Damn straight!

 

Comment by NetherLands | 2008-11-05 06:28:32

Same over here. We call it the ‘horse-shoe’ diagram, the only difference is ‘the uniform’ they wear.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:29:02

Congratulations, Bill! You did a fine job of dumbing down this one! Your master Beelzebub will beso proud of you! :)

 

Comment by socalannie | 2008-11-05 05:50:11

How lovely, another Camp Obama Graduate come by to graciously offer his hand in brotherhood, and to erase all the hard feelings of the past.

Enjoy your community service job Richard, or getting drafted. You can talk to the mullahs the way you talk to us! It’ll be fun to see what happens!

 
 

Comment by SueM | 2008-11-05 05:28:46

I didn’t sleep last night because I couldn’t stop thinking. I have been terrified of an Obama presidency and now it has come to pass. I’m still scared and worried, but there is one thing that encourages me just a tiny bit. Obama is going to have a ton on his plate. He’s got the economic mess to deal with and that’s huge. It’s going to take a lot of time and effort to deal with it. His health care plan, taxes, the fairness doctrine, etc.. He’s not going to have time to get to a lot of his agenda, especially a National Security Force..in his first term anyway. And God willing, we hold him to one term. We NEED to hold him to one term.

So, what we need to do is raise holy hell. Rally the troops so to speak to fight his big spending plans and his socialist agenda. Make sure we make the public aware of his associations a deceit. There’s a lot of stuff out there and I have a feeling we’re going to be busy for the next 4 years.

Remember, we the people still run this country and we need to make sure we are heard. Obama’s agenda is not going to fly.

and btw..you can’t blame this loss on the PUMAS. I truly believe you did everything you could do. The loss sits squarely on the non-voting Republicans. The base did not turn out this year. There’s nothing worse than a pissy, pouty Republican.

I hope No Quarter is going to stick around because we need you desperately.

Thanks for all your hard work guys!

Sue

Comment by Beenthere donethat | 2008-11-05 05:51:08

I wouldn’t say it comes down to non voting Republicans but rather more moderate people who sometimes forget what they believe in.

The media has been telling the public for so long that they made a mistake by voting for Bush that they buy into it. It will only take Obama to start p*ssing a few people off before they wake back up and get rid of him next election.

It looks like the whole contry loves him but you have to look at the real numbers and understand at least 45% of Americans said NO to Obama, myself included.

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-11-05 06:49:09

Obama spent 40 million here in Florida scaring the shit out of the elderly.

McCain took the high road and made the mistake of thinking the voters would care that Obama didn’t keep his word when it came to public finance.

By doing that he just didn’t have enough money to keep up with Obama.

 
 
 

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:31:07

How many days after Plastic Jesus takes office before he wishes he had never run?

I’ll guess six months.

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:33:51

Remember poor old Jimmy Carter? It wasn’t too long after he was elected that many of the people who voted for him woke up and said “WTF were we thinking?”

If Obama actually tries to put through some of the grandiose schemes he’s talked about, the “Carter Effect” will return, on steroids.

 
 

Comment by socalannie | 2008-11-05 05:36:40

Matthew, this is great, having all this info together again. Thanks so much! Now, if I can only get my Mom to look at it!

 

Comment by NetherLands | 2008-11-05 05:47:46

Cultural Revolution: get rid of the ‘old guys’ in your party that still remember the alternative. What better than a group of thugs, I mean, community council members muscleling in, union (EFCA)style? Also, the replacement of the military makes sense from a Marxist view because whenever a country turns to marxism, the army is the biggest possible obstacle. In the USA, the military supports mostly the Republican party; hence the constant military voter supression (there were issues in eg Ohio too, with the ballot sent to oversea military being disqualified because it didn’t have a line on it) and the proposed cuts by BO.

The Obama quotes on this are the scariest of this election, it is no wonder they were scrubbed. As I said on my blog, personaly I believe the whole ‘education credit in return for community service’ ties into this, as does the infamous ‘Obama Youth video’. The defense of the militant indoctrination (iso of, say, improving reading skills) of these black kids by the BO campaign was ‘it’s their culture’ a.k.a. the race-card. So if at first there are some people saying ‘whoa, whoa, slow down’ (to quote Robinette Biden) , they’ll be presented a nice race-card, which will be worse if BO is president (’your stuck in old thoughts, we’re beyond this now. You need to re-educate’). Don’t forget that Ayers and BO sponsored a lot of black-supremacy education programs (RealbarackObama, NRO to name a few sources), which the electorate thinks ‘was okay’ (as BO will spin it). It won’t happen overnight but the seeds are there.

 

Comment by tusoli | 2008-11-05 05:49:01

what strkes me after reading your comments is that you clearly dont have a clue about what this concept means…
In Europe, such idea has been properly translated like France youth teams since the draft was abolished about 6-7ys ago , young french people can enter a civic team and still give a few months of their life for their country engaging in helping teachers, helping nurses etc
nothing shocking
we have not seen sarkozy youths or zapatero youths
before condemning , please read a bit , get info and then if you wish discuss and debate and condemn , but dont condemn without getting all the data beforehand

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 05:55:21

Leave. Now.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 05:58:17

He may as well. the illegal wiretapes will keep tabs on us.

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-11-05 07:06:52

WildChild, I offer my usual advice for anyone keeping tabs on me:

Strong coffee, and lots of it.

Also plenty of facial tissues, as the poor watcher will be bored to tears. :lol:

 
 
 

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 05:55:45

We did…. civilian national security force. The commies had something similar to that. First order of business. Turn in your mother

Comment by Baba Rum Raisin | 2008-11-05 08:31:55

Komsomols and Young Pioneers. I forgot what the East German fascists-in-training were called.

 
 

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-11-05 07:01:41

Tusoli,

What part of what Obama said below sounds like engaging in helping teachers, helping nurses etc
Really, you are the one that needs to educate yourself.

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.

Comment by WildChild | 2008-11-05 07:04:23

just as devoted to turning in your mother

 
 
 

Comment by Cinie | 2008-11-05 06:09:46

I asked what was up with the Civilian Defense thing on my little blog back in September. I found a couple of links to a Military Times article, with video, where he talks about civilian national security, and the Chicago Tribune did mention it in passing, but the link is no longer operative. From Military Times:

I mean, we still have a national security apparatus on the civilian side in the way the State Department is structured and [Agency for International Development] and all these various agencies. That hearkens back to the Cold War. And we need that wing of our national security apparatus to carry its weight. When we talk about reinventing our military, we should reinvent that apparatus as well. We need to be able to deploy teams that combine agricultural specialists and engineers and linguists and cultural specialists who are prepared to go into some of the most dangerous areas alongside our military.
Q: What Secretary Gates has called soft power.

A: Absolutely, but the only problem with soft power is the term itself makes people think it’s not as strong as hard power. And my point is that if we’ve got a State Department or personnel that have been trained just to be behind walls, and they have not been equipped to get out there alongside our military and engage, then we don’t have the kind of national security apparatus that is needed. That has to be planned for; it has to be paid for. Those personnel have to be trained. And they all have to be integrated and that is something that we have not accomplished yet, but that’s going to be what’s increasingly important in our future to make sure that our military has the support that it needs to do what it does the best, which is fight wars.

The article I wrote has links, I’d put them up here, but truthfully, I don’t know how, plus I don’t want to anger the spam monster.
http://cinie.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/whats-up-with-obamas-civilian-defense/

 

Comment by DAB | 2008-11-05 06:58:41

Hopefully there will be no extra money to implement such a scary program. In a bizarre turn of events, we may yet thank George Bush for leaving no funds for this guy so that the harm he may do can be minimized.

Thanks for the comprehensive assessment of this potential problem.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-11-05 07:31:43

I think the truth is I don’t know what to expect…
I know I refuse to give in to despair…And I will pay attention…These are surely interesting times.

Comment by Baba Rum Raisin | 2008-11-05 08:41:51

I’m mulling over:

UNIFORMS – Will underwear adrift and saggy shorts, knit caps be de rigeur?

MUSIC – How DOES one march to Fat Boy Slim and Jay-Z?

RANKS – Will we have a HNIC, a NWTH, etc.?

Yes, there’s much fun to be had, speculating upon these and other topics. I estimate that by March of ‘09, Buyer’s Remorse will be upon the land.

Remember those Youngstown steelworkers who called themselves Reagan Democrats? Wonder how they fared in the First Reagan Recession, when all those sheet and tube mills were dynamited?

Do you think anyone at the Steelworkers’ union rolled up that, “ELECT A UNION PRESIDENT PRESIDENT!” banner and shoved it up the Leadership’s ass about 1983?

Lock and Load, Dream Babies. And remember, the Hitler Jugend gave us a Pope, right?

 

Comment by Pennsylvania Red | 2008-11-05 08:57:43

You don’t know what to expect…

How ’bout this:

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

sauve qui peut…

 
 

Comment by Karma | 2008-11-05 09:46:50

To fund this civilian force he has to take funds from a military everyone knows needs to be rebuilt.

I hope that Republicans actually care about those in uniform enough to actually fight for them as hard as they fought Clinton over his sex life.

 

Comment by jomama | 2008-11-05 11:11:22

Not only does he want a security corps, but also a Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veteran Corps, Homeland Security Corps, Global Energy Corps, and Green Corps.
He wants his people everywhere.
He’s already mentioned price-signals. Take good look at ACORN’s People’s Platform. Read it, all of it. You’ll see exactly where he’s headed.

 

Comment by POdVet | 2008-11-05 15:10:23

I suspect his Civilian National Security force will turn out to be a massive expansion of Black Water. Obama has been in bed with them for quite some time, and it was most likely they who broke Aiham Alsammarae out of the detention center in Iraq.

 

Comment by maggieb | 2008-11-05 16:07:04

I got this in my e mail and it’s a perfect plan to prepare for what’s coming:

Dear Fellow Business Owners:
>>
>> As a business owner who employs 120 people, we have resigned ourselves to
>> the fact that Barack Obama will be our next president, and that our taxes
>> and fees will go up in a BIG way.
>>
>> To compensate for these increases, we figure that the Customer will have
>> to
>> see an increase in our fees to them of about 8-10%. We will also have to
>> lay off 25 of our employees. This really bothered us as we believe we are
>> family here and didn’t know how to choose who will have to go. So, this
>> is
>> what we did.
>>
>> We strolled thru the parking lot and found twenty Obama bumper stickers
>> on
>> our employees cars. We have decided these folks will be the first to be
>> laid off.
>>
>> We can’t think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have
>> a
>> better idea, let me know.
>>
>> We are sending this letter to all business owners that we know.

We are selling all our stocks , bonds, 401k , and taking money out of U.S banks today

Obama Paid for this election with the help of Acorn

 

Comment by justomeone | 2008-11-06 02:08:33

A proposal for a CIVILIAN National Security Force sounds like an end run around the Posse Comatatis Act.

 

Comment by justomeone | 2008-11-06 02:13:39

If he just wanted to get rid of the gangs RICO could probably do the trick, that is until that pesky ACLU started yammerin’ about freedom of association clause…

 
 

Comment by Roodog | 2009-02-04 18:43:00

President Obama is too intellegent to be just mouthing off about a Civilian National Security Force without substance and intent.The question is what IS the substance and intent. Does he mean reforming and enhancing Homeland Security? Does he mean to hire more Fedfuzz and pay them overtime for putting out the bushfires that are sure to erupt in this country.Does he intend to pay out more cash to Fedfinks? Is he going to contract Pinkerton type companies to keep an eye on public buildings and vulnerable facilities? Is he going to give cities more money to hire more cops? There are other explanations than hordes of stormtroopers.
If it is indeed stormtroopers in the offing,Katie bar the door,every wildcat militia, hate group and street gang will balloon in size. The opposition will want a security force of their own.It will be messy and ugly and many of us is too old for this.

 

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