A Perfect Storm?
By Bud White on November 6, 2008 at 8:50 AM in African Americans, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Economy, Housing & Housing Crisis, Joe The Plumber, McCain/Palin 2008, Political Strategy, Ronald Reagan
Our reluctant allies on the Right believe McCain was struck by the perfect storm. McCain’s loss was less about campaign strategy failures than an incredibly unpopular president of the same party and an economic October surprise which underscored his Party’s difficulties. It really was about Change. From the National Review:
1) 2008′S OUTCOME AND THE BANKING CRISIS AND STOCK MARKET CRASHES –
The media talk was wrong, the media talk that had gone on all year and reached its height in the summer and early September about an irresistable Democratic trend and unstoppable Obama. After a successful Republican convention and a week of campaigning by McCain-Palin capped by Obama`s “lipstick on a pig” gaffe, McCain had a nice national lead and one so strong in Ohio there were rumors Obama was pulling out. For purposes of perspective on last night’s results, it’s good to remember some of McCain’s numbers in various polls that second week in September:
Florida: +8
North Carolina: + 18
Georgia: + 18
Oklahoma: + 31
Idaho: + 39
New Jersey: – 3
New York: – 6
Michigan – dead heat
Wisc —dead heat
Minnesota — tied.
And the Gallup poll released September 11 showed a GOP five point lead in the generic question which could have translated into twenty to thirty seat pickup.
2) HARD TO CALL – This Fall’s political environment was unprecedented — an economic crisis not seen since the Great Depression. So there was no prior experience to fall back on. Campaign Spot readers and loyal Jedi warriors wanted Obi to make his unapologetic predictions of the past. That prediction was impossible. What could be said was that McCain was still very much in it despite the burdens he faced, including everyone’s 401(k) turning to cinders.
3) MCCAIN CAME BACK – Striding into one of the worst political headwinds ever McCain actually staged a comeback. A week after his last debate performance, his “Joe the Plumber” initiative and excellent performance at the Al Smith dinner in New York, four good polls showed him one or two points away from a lead. Even Rasmussen, who still gave Obama a four point advantage, noted McCain was shaving
the Democrat’s national lead and had moved back into a slight lead in Florida and Ohio. Then came more days of market crash. Yet, even after that, the survey data showed undecided voters were inclined towards McCain but also wanted to vote their frustration and anger over the economy and were inclined, rightly or wrongly, to take it out on Bush and the GOP.4) THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS A BLUNT BUT ULTIMATELY BENEFICENT INSTRUMENT — One place your Obi worked for Barry in 1964 was the New Hampshire primary and he vividly remembers that loss and then the carnage in November. (Even Sooners Coach Bud Wilkinson, one of the state’s religious figures, lost a Senate bid in Oklahoma.) But two years later came a GOP blowout marked by Ronald Reagan’s first election to political office. And back in `76 some of us thought
nothing was more important than electing Jerry Ford. But defeat that year ultimately led to a new Republican party and the Reagan era.So when you ask: How could the American people do this? Don’t they know what they are getting? Well, unfortunately the blunt instrument approach — shock therapy — is like that. Lots of collateral damage in the hope the GOP will get itself together and give America a better time, a newer era.
6) FIGHT HARD; FIGHT FROM THE START TO STOP THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE – So the problem with the blunt instrument is the unintended consequences. The 1964 results meant the social tragedy, especially for the poor, of the Great Society programs. The 1974 Democratic Congressional blowout cost 13 million South Vietnamese their freedom. The 1976 defeat meant Carter era malaise at home and one of the most perilous periods for U.S, national security.
The liberals in Congress will soon push to discourage entrepreneurship and economic growth, nationalize the medical system, weaken the military, use state power to coerce Americans into removing mentions of God from the public square, accepting abortion on demand and the altering the definition of marriage. And an early test for President Obama will be his reaction to pressure in two areas from his own party that may brand his administration early as decidedly leftist. He will be pushed to take various measures to stifle dissent through enacting the Fairness Doctrine and ending the secret ballot in union elections. And he will be pushed to make a decision that cost the newly elected President Clinton his honeymoon period — changing the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy about gays in the military. On all of this, the congressional liberals and their media allies will be unrelenting. And yet all this represents opportunity for the GOP. The last Congress was the most unpopular in history because of its radical liberalism. Yet the GOP failed entirely to enumerate for voters that Congress’s transgressions. That opportunity is coming again.
Also, the liberals know that neither in 2006 nor 2008 did the American people vote for the left-wing agenda. They are hoping conservatives will again go along after some polite demurrals. So, if loud and noisy but enlightened opposition is offered at every turn, much of the collateral damage can be avoided. And the American people will see the real agenda of the liberal elites.
7) REJOICE — Electing an African American president closes a painful but proud chapter in American history. What a country.
8 ) TOUJOURS L’AUDACE —We gather our armies. We go forward.
Finally, Dick Morris chimes in that McCain did better than the media predicted:
For political historians, it’s worth noting that Obama hasn’t scored the knockout that many predicted. As I write, it seems clear that John McCain will lose by a few points in the popular vote, not by the double digits so confidently predicted in the media polls. The fact is that most of the undecided voters went to the Republicans.
What do you think? Is there anything McCain could have done differently? Or were the conditions too unfavorable for any Republican?
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McCain should have come out against the bailout. Popular opinion was strongly against it and McCain knew it was going to be approved. That was a moment of failure for the McCain campaign. It was a huge tactical mistake.
Excuse me but Obama approved both bailout bills and even put 20% of 700 billion dollars in the first bill for ACORN. Who is the president-elect?
Right, a guy who totally embraced the bailout.
Faulty logic, tek. Obama embraced the bailout; Obama is the President. Ergo, the bailout was a good thing.
McCain’s position on earmarks–which the bill included–was undermined by his support for the bailout [the correct word is giveaway]. It was a huge tactical blunder for McCain to support it. He could have voted against it, thereby preserving his position on conservative fiscal policy.
Obama’s campaign held back and did not take a stand on the issue at first; it was only when McCain decided to support it that the Obama campaign publicly announced their position in support of it.
McCain did come out against the bailout, the first time the bill went to the House. During the closed meeting with Bush, fauxbama, et al, the Dem congressionals deferred to faux, and he blahblahed his way around the thing. McCain was quiet. Then I believe it was faux himself who asked McCain a direct question: what is your position?
McCain replied: I stand with the House Republicans. The house Republicans were vehemently against it because of all the money allocated to ACORN.
I provided the links to this story when it occurred.
McCain mistake was to appear at the Debate once he said he would postpone it. Then he had to take the lead and talk about the economy all the time, delineating constantly how his ideas would work.
Yes, and he should have opposed the “bailout” in retrospect. We still have no controls over when and how and if “ever” any of this money will ever be returned to taxpayers. But in your point, I think is the biggest mistake of all in retrospect… letting the media dictate any of his actions at all. i.e. handing Palin over to be figuratively sacrificed by the media elite. Palin should have been handed over to “real people” only. Yes, there would have been media outrage… in retrospect… so what?
The economic meltdown got him, plain and simple. And the media, the media boosted Obama from day one.
I have a different perspective on all of this today. We have now elected an AA president. That’s over and done with; behind us. Now these people are mainstream. All the entitlement programs that give them preference over whites and give them scholarships and other handouts should be dismantled . I’m going to start writing my Congressmen (Durbin & ?) today and insisting on it. I also see no reason why any other ethnic minority group should get entitlements, i. e., Hispanics. Now we see, they can be whatever they want.
If Obama starts any of crazy crap he’s talking about enacting, the American people with raise holy hell and he’ll be out on his butt in no time.
Meanwhile, the last glass ceiling is a woman president and we need to start organizing and working on that.
And pass the ERA as part of this. Black’s equal rights in the constitution since the end of the civil war, women still not in, either in text or in judicial interpretation? And this country is not built on heteropatriarchal privilege? Even BO has his own little gender hierarchy going in his household. Two moms and two daughters, none of whom exist except to enhance the quality of his life and the power he holds. Things, not persons.
Equal rights in the constitution applies to ALL citizens, just not Blacks.
The ERA is just another identity politics trick to create a permanent voting bloc from an aggrieved class which can never rise above a constant state of victimhood lest the voting bloc dissipate. This is the same political game played by black leaders like Jesse Jackson. maintain the victimhood even when it doesn’t exist to maintain in power and control over the voting bloc. Unless women aren’t persons within the meaning of the 14th amendment, then the perceived need for ratification of the ERA is totally meaningless except as a means of promoting permanent victimhood.
I totally agree. The last thing this country needs is more identity politics. Some of the hardcore feminists on this site make me want to puke.
Fuck you mr. penis.
And the media, the media boosted Obama from day one.
The fawning “liberal media” is the reason obama is pres elect. Had the media done even a little bit of work obama would not be pres elect and prolly would have been run out of the senate.
There never was a fawning liberal media! But there is a fawning corporate media! And it was in the tank for Obama….even FAUX NEWS! We will see quite clearly that Obama will be more like Bush than anyone else. He is pro corruption! That is the bottom line. His Chicago politics is the same as the Bush/Cheney mafia. That is why the media was in the tank for Obama and Bush! Corporate CORRUPTION!! HelllOOOOO! Obama ain’t no socialist. Bill Ayers is no socialist. They are corrupt. That is the bottom line with Obama and Bush. They figured out how to enrich themselves from Katrina, Iraq and this financial meltdown. And ever since Bush showed the roadmap for successful looting, Obama et al have seen the light and the way. PERIOD…
Amen.
It’s not JUST the media and pundits…it was the PERFECT coup by K. Rove. He mused earlier in the primary season that we would all be surprised at what was to come. Now, we hear him ranting and raving about how Bush has been SOOOOO mistreated and that Americans should give Obama a chance. What? I’m afraid the joke is on us, once again. The American people have been duped. What else is new? The current administration practically threw a celebratory party for the new LIAR-in- chief. Seriously. Apparently, they are giddy knowing that they will walk away from the crimes they have committed free and clear. Adding insult to injury, Fox has now become the “rehabilitation” channel for all things Bush. They claim that Obama will help the American people see that Bush wasn’t so bad after all. WTF? This was ALL by design, imo.
Bush is/was a puppet. Obama is the NEW puppet. It’s that simple.
tek,
I was pretty much preaching this on the other thread. And I’m an AA. The post-racial meme MUST BE PUSHED! If there’s any silver lining in this man’s election, this must be it.
AAs have been languishing in a mindset that racism is the sole reason for our predicament here in America. Wrong! I would say that from the mid 70s on many blacks have indulged in irresponsible behavior that has contributed to their predicament: drugs, mindless procreation and the big one: lack of focus on education as a way up and out of poverty.
Blacks now have a role model in a First Family that’s undeniable: 2 ivy league educated individuals who worked to get where they are today. Both responsible parents. All that standing around on the street corner drinking malt liquor under the guise of not being able to find work while libraries are open filled with books, periodicals, computers/internet connection and literacy volunteers, MUST END!
Ignore the people who are going to try to push that there’s still work to be done. AAs were desperate to have this man be POTUS, a symbol that was so important and meaningful to their self-esteem, and the belief that AAs are part of America, well, their prayers were answered.
This is one of the main reasons that I did not vote for 0bama. Because I knew that once he was elected, the ball was going to be in our court and frankly many are not prepared for what that means. I was never a big fan of throwing someone in the water as a way of teaching someone to swim, but this is where AAs are in America now.
Racially, there is one America. It’s time for AAs to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps!
The October Surprise was manufactured by Obama and the boys to derail McCAin.
The November Surprise should be the fraudulent Campaign transactions.
I work in the industry and it was clearly a choice to “work around the law”. Why is no one investigating this in the legal world?
Because it is run by the Bush administration? And they are either incompetent or complicit or both, take your pick for future conspiracy theories. After all, there is that old theory that Rove directed O.’s selection. What could he have been thinking? Rezko hoped he could influence Rove to get Bush to fire Fitzgerald, seems I’ve heard. Why would Rezko think that? And have the Chicago birds stopped singing now that O. has been chosen? Even Ayers is coming out of the woodwork (Global Labor and Politics site) and admitting he’s been there all along.
Keep in mind the beginning of the economic crisis was indymac which was started by Schumer’s comments about the bank. There was nothing the Admin could really do and the subprime loaning mess without congress taking action.
I was referring to the Justice Dept. and why they seem to be so aloof from all the stuff we see, not the economic mess. Sorry for the confusion.
“The October Surprise was manufactured by Obama and the boys to derail McCain.”
I actually think that The Dems and Repubs were in on this together. There was a quid pro quo. And I think it went way back when the Dems took Congress in 2006. Remember when Pelosi took impeachment off the table? WHY?????? I think that was when the deal was struck. No impeachment for a bone. The Rebubs knew they were in trouble and would have difficulty winning. So why not control the entire election. Anyone see Karl Rove here? Many of you may remember this article from several months ago. It has updates now and while long is worth a re-read. “Karl Rove Bamboozles the Electorate..Again”:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
Furthermore I this is my take on what occurred this campaign season and what will occur in the O administration.
In some ways I think the Republicans allowed McCain to lose. Even wanted it. Normally they are much better campaigners than we saw in this election. McCain was never very popular with them anyway. So I think he was their sacrificial lamb.
Republicans are far better STRATEGIC planners and thinkers than Democrats. Let me try and explain.
In many ways 2009 will be like 1929 and Obama is the Democrat’s Herbert Hoover.
This President will be a one-term Presidency. Because the economy is so bad that no matter what the next President does it won’t help matters and the economy won’t get better and so they will piss off more than half of the country. And if Obama and the Dems do raise taxes then what happened under Hoover will happen again under Obama. He will be hated. Then the electorate will turn to Republicans again. And, like FDR was the ’savior’ for the people and kept Dems in power for 30 some years, I think the same will be true in 2012 for Republicans. I think Republicans saw this and thought we’ll give the Dems this one and we will come back to win the day in 2 and then 4 years. Strategic thinking at its best. (Basically this is what the NR article Bud White cites says.)
The very same scenario would have been played out if McCain had won, only in reverse. He would be the new Herbert Hoover and no matter what he did it would not work and the electorate would be pissed off ushering in a 30 year Democratic rule. If they were smart they would have let McCain win and go for the bigger prize. But Dems are so stupid and they do not think long term let alone strategically. And they do not know when they are being played by that master, Karl Rove.
They only wanted to win win win with no long term strategy in mind. And Obama’s ego only wanted to be the first black elected. They will rue the day they selected Obama and got him elected.
You know the Greeks used to say be careful what you wish for, because when the gods want to punish you they give you what you want. There is a lesson in there for Democrats.
Put the Karl Rove article with my take and maybe we can see we have been gotten again by the Republicans. Explains a lot including why Bill O’Reilly and most of FOX went so easy on the one; and there were no real 527 ads. That troubled me this entire campaign. WHY? What was going on?
Mow I think I know.
We got the old hood-wink and bamboozle from the master, Karl Rove. And once again Republicans win. And will win for many, many years. Their revolution will be complete. They will dismantle what is left of the FDR program. And the Democrats will have no one to blame except themselves and their corrupt and evil ways and their egos. And again the average American will be the losers and will be hurt.
The one point you miss. Obama is no Democrat. He is the DINO…Democrat in name only. He pretends to be a Democrat…but I feel he is more Republican than anything. I have the same creepy feeling when I see or hear Obama as I do with Dumbya. Obama is neither the most liberal Senator nor the most progressive. He voted for the Bankruptcy bill, the Iraq funding, Cheney energy bill. He is more Republican than McCain ever was. This is the reality. Rove hepled another republican win the White House.
bert,
This is my take as well. This is why I voted McCain. I’m no Republican. It was pure strategy thinking on my part.
I’ve heard seveal economists quoted as saying, it didn’t matter who was president, the economic forecast is bleak for awhile. Well now the Democrats have it and we’ll see.
Maybe they’ll get lucky and not have to deal with any big disasters. Bush inherited a zero deficit and then 911 happened and the rest is history. He didn’t have to go the route of the Iraq War, but that’s who Bush is.
If Kerry becomes Secy of State and Powell Secy of Defense, then the picture becomes clear, 0bama will be delegating power to people who were once presidential contenders themselves. So who will be running the show? Will it be Kerry’s foreign policy? Will the ex-General know how to get us out of Iraq?
But 0bama ran on change. How are these picks change? And is he going to give a black a token Cabinet position like Secy of Housing and Urban Development? So far NO WOMEN! Big surprise there, but a woman will also get a token position like Secy of Transportation.
I hate being lied to. Change was just a marketing slogan.
Karl Rove said very recently on one of the FoxNews evening programs that he had voted for John McCain. Additionally, he remarked in the same venue over a month ago that McCain had called off the 527’s himself; most people missed that. McCain wanted to run a noble campaign, and many others who could have been tougher, including soft reporters even at Fox, were concerned about being called racist – a great campaign tactic by David Axelrod. While Rove may have suggested the Black Manchurian to Donna Brazile years back, it was so Dems wouldn’t pick Hillary this year and would eventually lose the election. Rove was outfoxed.
The other thing that helped Obama was that Larry forgot to release the Whitey tape.
ed get your sorry arse off to obamaland. i hear they are handing out the meds.
Yeah–what happened with the tape? Larry’s CIA buds are probably still working on it.
There is one answer only:
One candidate outspent the other 8 times over.
after promising he would limit himself to public funding.
This is one of the biggest factors, if not the biggest factor IMO. Had Obama fulfilled his promise to use Public Financing I truly believe McCain would have won. Obama bought this election. Unfortunately, I think this has just set a new precedence for all future Presidential elections, why on earth would anyone take PF again?
Of course, it also helped that he had free advertising from just about every news media outlet.
Yes, let’s don’t forget that obama-elect also approved the bailout and wanted millions for ACORN as well.
BTW, obama gets his first national security briefing this am…the same one that goes to G.W.B., detailing the war in Irag, ect. He has not yet sworn to uphold the Constitution.
Things like this lead to McCain’s “defeat.” How many other places did this and worse things occur and go unreported.
Republican county has 18,000 ballots left to count
Published: Nov 05, 2008 07:43 AM
RALEIGH, N.C. – Republican-leaning Rockingham County still has 18,000 votes to count after a glitch at five one-stop polling sites left the results out of the county’s total.
Rockingham County election officials said Wednesday they hoped to finish counting and reporting the remaining ballots by 5 p.m.
Returns from all Election Day precincts, mail voting and a one-stop site in Reidsville show that some 22,488 ballots have been counted. The early numbers there favored Republican presidential hopeful John McCain by a margin of 5,412.
With tens of thousands of provisional ballots also still outstanding statewide, the race between McCain and President-elect Barack Obama for North Carolina’s 15 electoral vote remains too close to call.
Link
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1281670.html
And don’t forget Virginia. All of the ballots to be mailed to the overseas military. They were supposed to be mailed out by Sept. 21, but weren’t even ready then.
The high tech world we live in has produced a population of people that want instant answers to long term problems. McCain, being part of the government for many years was an easy answer in people’s brains to the financial crisis that we all faced. To come up with a different answer would require reading and research, something not done much today. Instead, people rely on “ticker tape”
news for information and I think we can agree that is not reliable and certainly not in depth.
I think we are also seeing the results of public education and that fact that young adults are so horribly uninformed, easily swayed, and most troubling, refusing to question authority. They are like crows attracted to a shiny piece of tin foil
lying in the middle of the road. Unfortunately, by the time they find out it is not edible or useful, they are hit by an oncoming car.
I was just thinking…I forgot who said this…
If you sit by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float past you…
It’s one of my favorite expressions. I am angry as hell that this happened and my heart is broken for our poor country and what we will face with that criminal Obama. But I can say that every time I have said WTF? about some huge injustice…as in the cheating, lying, and con job on the voters that Obama committed…that the Universe CLEANS ITSELF UP and Karma takes its toll. It might not be today, or tomorrow, but eventually Obama will pay for what he has done to this country. I can promise that one.
The “perfect storm” analogy is very apt. The “low pressure” was of course provided by the hatred of the Bush administration, with a coinciding sudden depression in the economy. The high pressure “hot air” flowing into the depression was the inflated “Hope and Change” rhetoric, plus the racism of over 95% of AA’s voting Precious all-the-way. And then there was the blatant systemic misogyny directed at Hillary and Sarah. But more than anything else, The massive united front of the MSM moving with blind willfulness in one direction towards the Messiah was inexorable. Yes, it was a “perfect storm.” Mac’s dignified opposition and Sarah’s cheerful optimism ultimately could not stand up against these forces.
And now, just like the aftermath of Katrina, we are looking around in disbelief at the damage, wondering how long it will take to clean up the mess; how are we ever going to rebuild?
When the victory party finally ends, all the liquor gone, the celebrants will finally have to look outside and face the damage and their hangovers.
It is the perfect storm. The tide against Bush was so strong that if you had the worst possible dem ticket, it would have won. I’m thinking Joe Biden at the top along with John Edwards with all his extramarital affair problems. They’d have still won, maybe not 300+ but around 280. The demographic in Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada are highly shifted and this being the anti-bush year, O got very lucky.
Hillary should have been the president elect, but the media had kept quiet on Obama’s caucus frauds and let him steal the primary and with help from the perfect storm he eased into the office.
The biggest reason Obama won is, Voters are stupid. 8 years ago they elected Chimpy McFlight suit. 4 years ago they re-elected that same moron. The first time can be forgiven, they didn’t know, the second time is unforgivable. Now they have elected this clown. No offense to any one person in particular but the general public is going downhill at an alarming rate. Oy Vey
On a side note to all the OBOTS, I would like to thank you. As an Illinois resident, I am tired of footing the bill for these people. I am tired of my tax dollars paying for the “Rezko” mansion. So I would like to thank you for your offer to take some of this off my hands. Obama is gone and he is taking Emmanuel with him. Let’s hope some more good ole Chicago boys go to Washington. Emil Jones for SoS. Todd Stroger for Sec of the Interior. That’s change I can believe in.
I am with you. Most voters truly are low info voters, and they call people (like me)who follow these complicated allegations (such as turning off the security settings for online donations) nuts. Their thinking is that no one would be able to get away with such a thing (birth cert, anyone), so they dismiss the story as preposterous and right wing conspiracy stuff. I am no right winger, just someone who looked behind the Google home page for my news. When it starts to hit the fan, all the low info types will ask why the media didn’t report it. My spouse, who is a skeptic, has found that I am weeks ahead in revealing what will come out because I read NQ and related sites. (Larry, Susan, Sox, et al., please don’t go away!) So I guess it remains to be seen how willing the press will be to continue to be complicit in the concealment of any allegations against Obama. If they stay as they have been, we are in for a long 8 years unless the Republicans can concoct some kind of ticket. And given all the leaking on Palin, I have my doubts about her chances.
What do people know about Michael Steele? I remember reading something about some trumped up credit card allegations. He seems reasonable, smart, and perhaps a worthy opponent for Obama.
This is my main beef with my BF. He would just spit out the main MSM talking point of the day. One comment he made was just so low information, I blurted out: “What an uneducated thing to say.” I don’t know if our relationship is going to survive til the next year, because I just lose patience with people who think they know what they’re talking about – and clearly DON’T.
obama is a fraud, don’t forget the rest of the dnc in your thinking. they are part of this. obama is just a junior senator at the present time. there is no way HE did this. the dems did it with the help of the media. over at the confluence, they are thinking this. the media is controlled by a small group of very wealth people who backed obama. it had nothing to do with the aa’s or liberal principles. it had to do with corporations. think about that!
Yes you are right stodghie…My bad. I will always throw that VILE, CORRUPT political machine the DNC into the pot on this one. I actually heard something interesting about MSNOBOZO…GE owns NBC and MSNOBOZO…GE is in big financial trouble. Bankruptcy coming is what I hear. Aren’t they part of the bad mortgages too? Anyway, they will be looking for a bailout and Obama of course will give it to them. Yes, the media was bought. GE was in the tank and therefore their corrupt journalists.
Oh my GOD…this is EXACTLY what I was told. THAT THE ENTIRE REASON NBC AND MSNBC WERE IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA IS THAT THEIR OWNER, GE, NEEDED A BAIL OUT. I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT.
Ronald Regan could have come back from the dead and loss. It was the perfect storm.
I’ve been reading snide comments around the net about how PUMAs didn’t show up for McCain and carry him over the finish line. That is rubbish! We not only showed up, we donated and actively campaigned for the man – things ALOT of Republicans cannot claim. It’s so easy to try to shift the blame rather than face the fact that the GOP did not stand up and fight for its candidate. The outcome may not have been any different due to overwhelming fraud, donations of questionable sources, etc.; but I will not be silent while PUMAs are maligned just because Republicans don’t want to accept that fewer of their numbers turned out to vote than in past elections and now we’re all stuck with THAT for President.
Exactly. Too many of the snobs in my party (most of whom are social conservatives) didn’t want to vote for McCain because he wasn’t pure enough. I think they have been on a 8 year crusade to wreck the party till it is in such a shape that they can come in as glorious saviors and return the party to their hard core social values. That they can lead us to the light of purity. Well no f*cking thank you. Its one thing to punish those who spent like drunk sailors on shore leave after winning the lotto. Its an entirely other thing to let the far left control congress (and thats the leadership of congress folks) and now the white house because McCain (and other congressional cnadidates) didn’t match up 100% with your ideals because he actually practices bipartisanship. This goes also for Bush’s big donors who couldn’t take the fact McCain went against their boy on a few occasions. Because the alternative will bring so much joy compared to punishing McCain for who he is!
I believe it is a combination of both factors:
low PUMA and conservative turnout. IMO high turnout of both these groups was the killer combo that would have squeaked out a win for McCain.
In my state we only needed about seven per cent Dem crossover to McCain and didn’t even get that.
(based on 2004 turnout)
Add to that the conservatives who didn’t show up, and they threw the election to faux.
I was on a conservative site today and the internal mauling is occurring in force. During the Republican primary I couldn’t believe the crap I heard in opposition to McCain. Today it’s being resurrected. (Toned down, to be sure, since the MSM is bad guy number one.)
Last nite a friend told me only 80% conservative turnout this year compared with 89% for Dubya.
ON this site, I read many posters describe how friends, family, etc. would vote for fauxbama just because he has a “D” after his name. Looks like the Democrats can today claim the prize for party unity.
On the other hand, it’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. If you support your party despite reservations, you end up supporting someone like GWB, who I found out shares little of my fiscal conservative ideals.
His lack of leadership, especially 2nd term lead the party to ruin.
Bottom line.. I didn’t get much of anything I wanted out of the Bush administration, which I did support. And in turn they put us in the position of this current election disaster!
Is there a good breakdown of what constituencies showed up and which ones didn’t?
I think it was a mistake for PUMAs to encourage each other to lie to exist pollsters, that could make it hard to determin how big the movement was.
The PUMA”S showed up. We sent teams of people there to campaign. The Republican’s did not show up. It is already in the reports.
There are lots of ways to analyze this. If the economy is crappy, people typically vote the party out who is in office. They are ignorant and misinformed when they don’t look at who is running Congress-right now that is the dismal failure of Democrats. Dow had the biggest drop in history yesterday…wow, ya think those tax increases for business, 401k’s and all that Obama proposes had anything to do w that??
Second, white guilt/black entitlement. When will enough be enough?? Never I say, black president or not. We passed civil rights for blacks, affirmative action for blacks, social programs to help them get ahead…not enough. They say women have gained as much rights through these programs as black. But I ask you, what would have happened if people had worn tshirts that said “Michelle Obama is a cunt”?? There would have been an absolute outrage.
One thing you can be sure of, Bush as incompetent as he is, will get blamed for any faults in the new administration no matter what they are. As usual, there will be no accountability.
I think McCain would have been the only Republican to win this and he came very close. My gut tells me this was not a clean election (starting with the primary) and Obama did not win OH, FL, (even PA) and who knows what other states legitimately. The margin of difference is well within the numbers reported about ACORN and SoS shenanigans everywhere and who knows what happened at county levels. The polls were rigged before the election to make the final numbers look legit. But of course, America wants to pretend everything is good and tidy with their democracy that they will sweep all these ugly problems under the rug. I never believed that after having spent close to a billion on this candidate and the big media putting all its credibility whatever is left of it on this candidate, that the little people would have any say in this, not in OH or FL or anywhere else — that would have been too big an egg on their face. The timing of the economic storm was also too convenient, just when the pretender was ready to implode.
You are 100% right. JOhn Fund has recently written a book on stealing elections. I hope that he continues researching what happened in this election. But I have my doubts about whether it is possible to fix or if it is, it can be done in four years. I can just see Obama running on vote reform in 2012.
see the video below — this is not a true democracy. It is a corporate democracy. They just make you feel important with your vote but they don’t count.
If you think the September surprise of the economic crisis was artificially contrived for Obama’s benefit, here is some history confirming it. Democracy, my foot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
McCain quite frankly was screwed no matter what due to media interference. There are several things that could have made a difference though. Picking Lieberman or anyone with more experience as his running mate. Lieberman though would have blown any attempt at Barry bipartisanship out of the water and would have helped with the Jewish vote. At least courting Hillary would have done wonders.
Spent the last month attacking Barry on the economy instead of Ayers. Ayers should have been brought up much earlier. The economic crisis was perfect to use to bash Barry’s head in. He was tied to the hip of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Democrats like Barney Frank gladly allowed these two GSE’s to spread their toxic Mortgage backed securitiiesBS’s to other financial institutions which caused the failures. The fact it all started with Indimac and Schumer’s torpedoing of them should have raised suspicions.
Junking public finance. McCain was under no obligation to continue under the agreement when Barry lied about it. He may not have had spending parity, but it would have been closer.
Hitting back at Obama for his negative campaigning. Bringing up Barry’s surrogates attacks on his honor and service like Harkin, McGovern and Clark. Bringing up the fact McCain doesn’t use computer because of his war wounds.
Hitting at ALL of Barry’s anti-semite and bomber friends together in the same ads. Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Farrakhan, Auchi….all together with what they’ve said and done.
Z-
Agree with you that the Ayers connection should have been brought up earlier. When I went to the McCain rally last Sunday, he said he was going to double the tax deduction for dependents. I never once heard or saw this on a McCain ad.
He didn’t appropriately defend against the lies about him taking away SS from seniors, for cripesake, I saw a woman on Bill Moyer of all places declaring that the fauxbama ads against McCain were “deeply deceptive”.
The Paris Hilton ads against faux were great. Palin was a huge shot in the arm. The collapse of the Dow seems to have disoriented the campaign, and there didn’t seem to be one coherent message after that event.
And ironically, the prospect of a fauxbama presidency hasn’t helped the DJI – at all.
I disagree about Lieberman. If you think they Republican turnout for McCain was low now, it would have been far worse for a McCain-Lieberman ticket.
Palin was probably the best VP pick McCain could have made. In a normal election, she would have been too inexperienced. But this year, McCain needed something to counter BO’s rock star status
New Poll says the one already has a 51% job approval as President Elect. Let’s see he has played hoops, gave a speech, and took his daughters to school.
so buyer’s remorse? Wasn’t his winning percentage higher two days ago? Or maybe all the dead people who voted for him on Nov 4 did not respond to this survey.
Let the “pink slips” start to kick in after a “socks and underwear” Christmas for retailers… Then let’s see Michelle go wild redecorating the White House and the construction crews start putting in the basketball court. Then tell us he’s not Bush III.
Let’s be honest — after 8 years of Bush a democrat — ANY Democrat was likely to win.
But Obama had to spend a lot of money to do it because he is INEXPERINCED.
Something screwy happened in California — how could Obama get such a big win yet all those liberals voted to change the state constitution to ban gay marriage.
I think people left the top of the ticket blank — a lot of religious-right Republicans, more specifically, left the top of the ticket blank.
Has to be. However, the question is why?
I think the religious right wanted to teach the GOP/GW Bush administration a lesson for using them twice to get into office.
I repeat — how can Obama win CA by such large numbers yet those same people vote AGAINST gay marriage?
AA’s and hispanics do not support gay marriage.
And neither does Obama.
and THIS is the fly in the DNC’s Unity Pony ointment.
I recall an AA poster on this blog describing the tension between the white latte liberal 0bots and the AAs. Naturally, they’re coming from two entirely DIFFERENT perspectives and attitude about the world.
Gay marriage is one of the faultlines.
Wait til faux decides that $42k makes a citizen rich and increases income tax rates across the board.
That’ll fry the latte crowd’s circuits.
Good bye solidarity.
See Bud White’s Misogyny blog thread — there are some numbers. AAs voted for the ban.
There is no way Obama won this legitimately. NO WAY. I believe that this was planned all the way back to 2004 when the Dems were pissed about Kerry. FL, OH, PA? Yeah, right. COME ON. I wish McCain had the guts to call for a recount. But everyone is SO in the tank for Obama who would you go to? This country is in really bad shape for this happening under our noses with NO ONE giving a damn about it. Fraud? HELL YEAH.
So we need to start now with the anti-Barry candidate. Because you know they already have started thinking about 2012. Unless Hillary switches parties, she is going to have to wait a long time.
Hillary’s political fate is now married to that of “The One”. Should have checked where the bus was going before getting on. Obama probably promised her the Supreme Court… but Obama promises a lot of things.
The point was made absolutely clear last night, when dinner conversation with my husband turned into a heated argument. The outright fear and anger over the economy made otherwise rational people abandon logic and cling to popular message of false hope. Honestly, does anyone in the working class or middle class honestly believe the economy grows from the bottom up? Of course not. A $500 or $1000 rebate check will not create one job. And the bottom up philosophy? Did we just try that with housing? Put everyone in a home. How did that work out? It brought this country to the verge of a depression.
well said but as they say, ignorance rules the world. Even people who seemingly seem intelligent, have no logic or concept about how ecnomics works and it isn’t rocket science. As I have heard many say, you never saw a poor person give someone a job. People rant and rave about capitalism and wealthy people. While there are some greedy bastards out there, for the most part, wealthy people are the ones that provide jobs, pension and medical benefits. The Robin Hood theory of steal from the rich and give to the poor is just a fairy tale. It doesn’t work.
Can we cut to the chase? Forget about polls and
campaign strategies; there are only a couple of
points to ponder:
The dissembling media corps backed by the billionaires who backed Obama…
And the fact that Obama is a “player.” We can
all agree on that.
The more naive leftists–and I have personal experience with this provable contention–are either bonkers or victims of sophisticated brainwashing.
They are trying desperately to disprove all of Western civilization’s tenets. They say Jesus didn’t exist, while yet proffering their own “Messiah” and forcing him into the public consciousness, complete with bands and heroic Greek symbolism.
Doesn’t that smack of insanity? Listening to
their rhetoric gives me the willies. They are
decidedly schzoid at best, demonic at worst.
It only proves, IMO, that the human species needs
a spiritual foundation. The NWO will usher in its own “Gods” and I doubt they will be just or democratic.
Amen to that…..well said.
GoldenGrahme-
Brilliant analysis. I am a person of religious faith and Obama is NOT my messiah. But he was packaged as a political version of one-”A light was going to shine down and people were supposed to vote for him”, Michelle said he was the only one who “can heal the soul of the nation”. He was called “the one”. He was set up, as you said, with fake Greek columns as if he was a God from the divine heights. It made me want to wretch and the suckers bought it. The scary thing is, since I think Obama has NPD I think he believes it.
1) That One refused to lose by agreeing to public financing even tho’ he knew he could raise more from ordinary socialists
2) That One refused to withdraw when Rev Wright hollered and screamed.
3) That One refused to appear with Bill Ayers even tho Bill O’Reliey and Fox asked them to numerous times.
4) Michelle O refused to divorce That One after the scandal of That One flirting with a campaign staffer.
5) Michelle refused to authorize Larry to release the whitey tape.
I believe these are the top 5 reasons McCain lost.
McCain was never a match for Obama;s style of politics, McCain ran his campaign as if he was running against his good friend Hillary.
McCain may be great for sitting in the senate reaching across party lines to get things done, but when it comes to the ruthlessness of a Presidential run and doing what needs to be done to win to blow out your opponent McCain did not have the stomach for it.
While Obama was hitting him, McCain remained quiet and even if he threw a shot back at Obama it was a soft ball. McCain did not want the Rev Wright issue played, he even went so for to tell a supporter that Obama is a decent man and he will make a good President, I guess that supporter and all who where there at that rally may have said yeah well why should I now vote for you is you are saying Obama is so good.
Then when it came to be bail out once again McCain tanked, maybe because Bush wanted his support and as always McCain has this sense of duty he cant turn his back on the President if he is asked to do something, so McCain went to Washington and supported the bail out and right there and then lost the election.
Don’t over think it. It was a done deal when the Democratic party snatched Senator Clinton’s delegates and gave them to Soertoro/Obama, when the Judicial refused to hear the evidence of eligibility before the election and when voter registration and caucus violations were not immediately investigated by state officials whose duty it was to insuring an honest election. There is no big mystery here, it can be explained the same way the 2000 election that put George W. Bush into the presidency can. How else could a United States senator blatantly assist in a coup, run by his cousin, against a foreign government not be called to account for his actions?
Take a look at the 1965 Civil Rights Commission on the 2000 Florida election to compare. That will separate the “wheat from the chaff”.
Let’s rewind. In September, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke were still talking about a “housing CORRECTION” – not crisis – and insisted the economy would self-correct in due time. Up to this point, the public’s primary concern had to do with rising oil and gas prices, which gave McCain the edge.
It wasn’t until the Gruesome Twosome appeared before Congress that the panic set in, derailing the economy and the campaign. Truth be told, this was a “generated crisis,” which transformed the 2008 elections into a one-issue race. Yes, I would call that “a perfect storm.”
I see, I’m not alone in my thinking about “other hands” at play in the economic collapse!
Unfortnately, most Americans tend to have a short memory and even shorter attention span. This was the sheer genius of BO’s generic campaign for change. “Country First” is not likely to resonate with voters whose chief concern is “what’s in it for me.”
America is a great country; Now we know that an African-American can become President; In this case, they just have to buy the election including using millions in illegal donations, have the media totally in the tank for them, engage in caucus fraud and convention fraud, and have the help of an economic crisis at their back. The man is a lying cheat, a fraud and an opportunist who plagarizes other people’s words and whom people in part think is a person of great insight because he has a melliflous voice. There are several African Americans whom I whom have been glad to vote for for President. Obama wasn’t one. That’s what happens when you are a person who wasn’t memerized by the media camapaign and actually did the research on Obama. Obama the myth is not the same as Obama the man.
As far as Palin, I think she helped McCain, and I think the sexism and misogyny is a blot on American elections. It makes me heartsick.
I agree on that too and the blatant sexism just has my emotions raw. I am sick and damn tired of it. I cannot believe in this country that women are treated like yesterdays trash. It’s disgusting.
I think Palin helped with conservative support that that was more then offset by the damage amongst conservative democrats and independents. Maybe its just me and I wanted McCain to be more transformative in his pick. For awhile I was truly hoping for McCain/Clinton (when it was possible) and then really wanted Lieberman. So yes I wanted him to buck the conservative base that in the end decided not to really help him anyways as I saw it would be fitting for those bastards. But now those same bastards got exactly what they wanted, republicans turning to them to lead them back to the promise land. \So in the end my animosity goes first to the media who lied to make this country weaker and then to the social conservatives for stabbing McCain in the back.
gs. You got it wrong. The social religious conservatives did not desert McCain thanks to Palin. The snobbish economic conservatives did not show up at the polls in the same numbers as they did for Bush. You need to read the articles and links before commenting. This site tries to inform us with facts and data. These Bush loving as*holes are the ones who stabbed McCain in the back. Notice not one repub pointed out the “BUSH” factor in this election. They seem to want to blame everybody but his sorry arse. I am a black female Hillary supporter, a PUMA who voted for McCain in of all places MS. I even voted for all repubs so that I would not be a part of the Obama farce. By doing so I helped to defeat Ronnie Musgrove for the senate, a person I admired and had planned to vote for and cast my vote for Wicker, a repub I disliked immensely.
That was how serious I was in showing my utter contempt for the dishonorable, phony, race-baiting Obama, the half black man who plan to “stand with the muslims should the political winds of war shift in an ugly direction”.
Did anyone see Joe Scarborough on FOX this a.m.? Apparently Chris Matthews was on (with Andrea Mitchell), and Matthews actually made this statement:
“My job is to make this Obama administration a success. It should be the job of all journalists to make this administration look good because we are due for a successful Presidency.”
This needs to go viral. Joe really gave it to him, but Matthews is too stupid to know what a journalists’ job even is–to investigate the truth and report it factually to the American public, keeping public officials accountable to the people. His job is to “make Obama look good.” Please pass this on!
NOt to go too far out on a tangent, and I’m really not much into “black helicopters”/”Umbrella Corp” thinking, but has anyone looked much into the possibility that our recent crash could have been engineered? I mean we know that speculation by parties known and unknown were largely responsible for most of the gasoline price spikes, is it at all possible that a group of private investors could have triggered the economic collapse. Now don’t get me wrong, I understand that our system has been teetering on this precipice for several years, in fact, I’ve been acting on that knowledge and warning people about it since Bush’s re-election. And, it may well be that those responsible (if such exist) didn’t mean to cause the degree of problem that they did, but the economy proved much more unstable than they had anticipated.
I’ve seen this collapse (and worse) coming for some time, but thought that the Bush administration was propping things up enough to keep it limping along until after they left office. Now, its quite possible that they simply over-adjusted their controls on a system that was barely suspended from collapse, and about a quarter of the spinning plates came tumbling down. Given the political beneficiary, however, I just can’t help but wonder if there weren’t perhaps another hand that reached in to upset the balance a bit, perhaps more with the intent of just causing a couple plates to fall which would make a lot of noise and about which they could point to and make a fuss over, but which really wouldn’t have the true economic impact we are seeing unfold.
But maybe I’m just having one of those paranoia mornings!
No, it was a manufactured crisis. Look for this to be the pattern of the new democratic party. So much can be done with little to no oversight in the name of “crisis management”. Look at post 9-11 and to the financial bailout for examples. The party of “crisis” has the yoke. Get ready to flat spin.
You people are partly responsible for his defeat. Your focus on garbage accusations against Obama and not on what the people actually care about was a big mistake. Character issues or rather fake charater issues can only go so far when you have zero policy or your policy has failed over the last 8 years. The vast majority of voters do not react positively to just slimming Obama.
The financial crisis in September and October certainly helped Obama, but McCain would have still lost without it. Sure the poles tightened in late August/early September, but McCain got a bounce off his convention and from picking Palin. However, that would likely have just been temporary, as most bounces are, particularly as the country began to find out what a fraud Palin actually was.
The resentment toward McCain and his Republican party was building for many years. It would have been hard to erase that, particularly when all you have to offer is tearing down the other guy and you have no new policies.
On the day McCain suspended his campaign, threatened to not appear at the debate, and tied his fate to the unpopular bailout I had a strong sense his campaign had taken a serious turn for the worse. When I heard the suspension news, I said WTF? That was the moment historians will record that McCain threw away a chance to win the election.
Hail Damien, I mean Hail Barack.
A lot of Monday morning quarterbacking.
Although I voted McCain/Palin my biggest disappointment was McCain’s backing (or perceived backing of the bailout). As suggested above, maybe he did this as the good soldier, to appease Bush, party unity, Colin Powell redux, etc. Certainly seems that Bush has been a curse on McCain’s aspirations.
McCain mistake was to surrender the leadership he took when he suspended his campaign. Someone steered him wrong but it was all his fault. He should have stayed away from the debate and concentrate on the bailout and keep leading on the economy. He surrendered the leadership on those issues probably out of respect for the President and the Administration. He then took a back seat to Obama’s strategy from then on.
I just hope that now they have elected a black President, the black people will “brush” their chips off their shoulders and get to work and stop whining. The people in this country DID NOT have anything to do with the ills afforded to their ancestors, so PLEASE GET OVER IT. It’s high time.
I realize that their DREAM HAS COME TRUE and a black person is going to be President. Now, wake up from your dream and get to work.
Sad thing is he is not truly ‘akin’ to the American blacks… Other than darker skin than a caucasian and hair type, he doesn’t have much incommon. In fact if one truly goes by “ancestors”, it is HIS ancetors in Africa that sold slaves to the white man…
Its a proven fact in mass makrketing, if you say it enough and in the right way, people will believe ANYTHING.
Personally I find it quite depressing and pathetic. Ignorance can buy you alot of votes.
Aye in Houston they are already in line for their handout… They see “gold lined side walks, flowers floating around the air, eveything is bright and pretty, oh the opportunity!!”… Its pathetic. Wow is there gonna be a hugh earthquake when they all sober up from their kool-aid and REALITY hits home…
I can;t wait!
I honestly don’t think it really matter what McCain did in the campaign. Obama won because people are punishing Republicans for Bush. It’s really that simple. There’s no need to over-analyze it.
That would be true if this had been a landslide, which it should have been and was not. Or if the polls hadn’t been so favorable toward the Republicans right after McCain picked Sarah Palin and following their convention. McCain did a pretty decent job of distancing himself from George Bush generally.
It was the timing of the manufactured economic crisis that did the ticket in – and the way the MSM bought into and framed it as being the fault of the administration and not the Dem congress. Still, the Joe the Plumber theme helped bring the ticket back from that brink, just not quite enough in the time available.
Aren’t we still in an economic crisis, or is everything hunky dory now? Why is that not being discussed 24/7 today in lieu of what a disgruntled McCain staffer has to say about Sarah Palin’s wardrobe trends/knowledge of geography?
Maybe the Great Lakes really are in Oregon or one of the other 56 States. Otherwise, as Riverdaughter says, the problem is still the media.
Incredible how so many people on this site maintain the economic crisis did McCain in. Sure, I felt he should not have agreed to the bailout in general and, specifically, acted unwisely in agreeing to this sans strict limitations as to what the money would be used for. But BO did the same thing and, he ‘won’ the election. No; what I wish JMc had done differently is not only reject the bailout but also make clear to everyone that the crisis resulted from Democratic measures intended to spread the wealth around to the populations who were then their staunchest supporters, as well as to line their political war chests with kickbacks from these same GSE’s. (Hey, I just had a brilliant idea! Maybe that’s why the Democrats weren’t specific as to where the bailout money should go!)
jbjd. there is a lot of truth in what you are saying and i agree with most of it. I sent an e-mail to John with links regarding this whole matter. It’s below
Sen McCain
I am a black, democratic female former Hillary supporter not voting for Obama. I want you to win but I feel you have not made a strong case for your presidency especially since the economic meltdown. You have allowed Sen Obama to lay the blame completely and squarely on the repubs with absolutely no responsibility for the dems. THE PUBLIC IS BUYING HIS SPIN HOOK, LINE AND SINKER because you have given no counter argument. My research indicates that the dems are mostly to blame. YOU MUST LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THIS OR RISK LOSING THE ELECTION BADLY.
Your campaign needs to stress in as few words as possible the following:
1. Fannie Mae (FM) and Freddie Mac (FM) backed mortgages mainly caused the economic melt down.
2. Through Acorn’s community and legal activities, banks were forced to make risky loans to, in many cases, unqualified buyers. These loans were backed by FM & FM.
3. Sen Obama was one of the attorneys of record who sued one of these banks (Citibank Federal Savings Bank) in Chicago in federal court.. He won. The legal outcome of the case was that banks had to give these loans to these buyers without sufficient collateral. These loans were underwritten by FM & FM.
4. Through his action and inaction, Sen Obama bares a heavy responsibility for the stock market losses impacting 401ks, retirement, and other income.
5.In 2005, Sen John McCain attempted to prevent this melt down through needed legislation. Sen Obama did nothing.
You need to run an ad, talk about, stump speech, etc this idea under a new theme I suggest for your campaign: “LEADERSHIP: PUTTING COUNTRY FIRST”.
Everything I have heard you advocate can be put under this new theme and contrasted with Sen Obama’s lack of leadership on every issue.
Attached you will find documentation for the items listed. Please pay particular attention
to the video labeled (a) House of Lies: Covering Your Fannie,. Who Really Caused our Economic Crisis and (b) Democrats in Their Own Words Covering Up FM & FM.
Note: I could not e-mail the files normally so I provided the following links. Your You tube ad is contained in the last link. IT IS GOOD BUT WEAK AND NEEDS TO SAY OBAMA IS TO BLAME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_652267
http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.php?id=10112&search=source|general;caseCat|FH;orderby|caseName;
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/27/consumer-rights-league-obama-acorn-and-the-subprime-mortgage/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y5R7kyIeYo&feature=related
I know this sounds like sour-graping or excuse-making, but I honestly believe voter fraud played a big part. Didn’t it in Bobo’s “win” over Hillary? Does anyone honestly believe he wouldn’t try the same thing in the general? I didn’t believe he could pull it off over the span of the nation, but in strategically placed precincts in the big cities, it could have given Bobo a few points and the electoral votes of that state. We all know ACORN was trying everything in the book. I hope the GOP isn’t going to just roll over on this and blame everything on McCain and/or Palin because the party doesn’t want to take on Obama and ghetto voters on a racially sensitive topic. Otherwise, a precedent has been set for future elections.
I know of someone in Iowa who went to vote and was told he had already voted by absentee ballot!
I think McCain would have won if the economy hadn’t dipped. The economy right up that time was a top issue but not “the” top issue. McCain was ahead.
Suspending his campaign was a mistake primarly b/c we didn’t see him “in action” once he got to Congress. And second b/c there was static coming from his campaign for a while about the economy. It gave Obama an opening and it made people (especially independents) finally remember how good the Clinton Adm. Add to that the hack job the MSM did on Palin and how badly was she handle by McCain’s operators. They put her in a straight jacket and send her to Couriec. I think the Couriec interview was a blow. She did fine on Gibson and the VP debates were too late.
But there is something else that shouldn’t be discarded: THe REPUBLICANS. Many of them with public voices hated McCain to start with undercut Plain; and McCain during the economic crash.
The more I look at the date I believe Obama won this election thanks to (a) The Republicans (there were MANY that voted for Obama) and (b) Independents that usually vote Republican.
It was not higher registration or higher turn out. Maybe there were more Dems. But there were 2 M votes LESS than in 2004. That means that if there were “a lot of new/youth vote” there had to be more than 2M “old voters” that stayed home.
Today I caught the last few minutes of the first part of Tom Ashbrook show “On point” on NPR (called
“Republicans Survey the Ruins”). He had many republicans calling into the show telling they voted Obama and why. One of them was particularly interesting “Tommy the truck driver” from VA.
He said he voted Obama b/c he essentially was pissed off at the deficits and spending and felt the GOP had abandoned its fiscal responsibility etc. and that the only way to get the GOP back was to make it go all the way to “rock solid bottom” …
The show guests then went on and on how the GOP had
“to pay less attention to Joe the Plumber and more to Tommy the truck driver” … (why not both, I do not know)
I really didn’t understand Tommy’s rationale (Obama will control spending? I don’t think so) other than he thinks Obama will create a surplus and return the Economy to Clinton’s times. And that is teh thing w/Republicans. They hate the Clintons and publicly
trash them but privately they have enjoyed the benefits of his Administration where individually counts the most to them: their pockets. It is incredibly hypocritical.
Tommy the Truck Driver from VA made me mad. And he was NOT the only Rep. that voted for Obama.
This is the link to Ashbrook show (”Tommy” came towards then end of 1st hour)
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/11/future-of-gop/
McCain did everything he could.
there’s no one else to blame here but the biased mainstream media. the media itself has declared that their bias was for the good of the country (as posted at Gateway Pundit). do any of you believe that?
the stock market has now experienced the worst ever 2 day drop in 21 years. then Obama comes into the white house next year and will pass his “wealth redistribution” tax increase. I would bet that he will not fulfill his promise of a tax cut but would only increase taxes twice in his term. first will be the return of high taxes on the rich, then the expiration of Bush tax cuts in 2010.
then Obama’s cap and trade will take effect and energy prices will skyrocket as he had stated. add a new moratorium on oil drilling that democrats want to pass again and you will see a return of record level oil prices as speculators pushes the price up and as OPEC continues to tighten the tap on oil production.
the oil situation will be excacerbated by a total pull out of American forces in Iraq. as it stands, the US want to leave a fast reponse team in Iraq, Obama wants a total pull out. Iraq is now producing around 2 million barrels of oil a day, if that production declines as a result of terrorist attacks in Iraq, the OPEC cuts in production will have a bigger effect in the oil supply and speculators will push prices higher again…that’s guaranteed.
then we have Russia that is pushing to create an OPEC type cartel for Natural gas. Russia has been negotiating with Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Natural gas produces so they can have control of global Natural Gas prices. as Obama and his poliburo (the New People’s Democratic Party) closes the tap on US oil and Natural Gas production and Coal, we will have a major energy shortage. No amount of Alternative Energy expenditure will bring alternative energy online to meet the demand and will suffer for it. efficient alternative energy is decades away, in the meantime, our new president elect will have a warm white house to keep him and his family cozy during a forecasted harsh winter (the almanac is forecasting colder winters for the next ten years) and NASA has confirmed that sun spot cycles have decline, pointing to colder weather in the next few years.
As I’ve said in other posts, don’t believe all of the green nutcases global warming scare tactics. we are in for a colder decade and with higher energy prices, the country will have to endure a harsh reality.
I’d like to remind everyone that the last president to raise taxes in an economic downturn a stock market crash was Herbert Hoover. then the great depression followed.
the country will have to brace itself for the perfect storm that’s about to rattle all Americans to the core.
here’s a pdf file that shows the sun spots cycle. we are at the trough of the cycle were the reduce sun spot activity triggers a cooling period.
(http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/ZURICH.pdf)
Farmer’s Almanac predicts Global Cooling:
(http://www.eenews.net/public/climatewire/2008/10/14/3)
everyone better prepare for an expensive winter.
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How Obama Won
Posted on November 5th, 2008 by rickya
This was an election that was impossible for any democrat to lose. Even if the Democratic candidate was Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel – they still could have won. McCain was working against overwhelming odds. Obama enjoyed many advantages:
1. Biased Media
This is his biggest advantage because every other advantage Obama had was anchored on it. His weaknesses were downplayed, his strengths mythologized, his opponent’s weaknesses magnified and his opponent’s strengths caricatured. Any potentially explosive clips or videos are buried while his opponents are thoroughly attacked. The mainstream media has served as his most effective PR firm/attack dog. In fact, with this, he doesn’t even need to place ads. The MSM is doing it all for him.
2. Economic Meltdown
This was what changed the direction of the game. In the beginning of the race, McCain started behind but was able to catch up and take the lead. In past races, that trend could have propelled McCain to a victory. It was the economic meltdown that stopped his momentum and completely reversed the trend. Note that at any other time, an economic meltdown would not have helped Obama. Had it happened in the primaries, Hillary would have clobbered him despite his advantages. Had it happened after the elections, it wouldn’t have mattered.
3. An unpopular incumbent
This president has lower approval ratings than Nixon. The hatred of Bush has so solidified that no known democrat could have lost against any republican. Only Obama was vulnerable despite his advantages because he is such a lightweight.
4. Race
The historic nature of his candidacy has helped him generate excitement that no other narrative can match. It is to the Republicans’ credit that they were able to match the mythos surrounding Obama with McCain’s heroic past. Because of the historical nature of his candidacy, his inexperience and naivete was largely ignored. It also lead to race-baiting where all criticism of Obama was painted as racist.
5. Misogyny
In a stroke of political genius, McCain solidified his base by getting Sarah Palin as his running mate. This served the double purpose of highlighting Obama’s inexperience while attempting to capture disaffected democrats. Misogyny aided by an unresponsive MSM reared its ugly head and it helped damp enthusiasm for Sarah Palin. Misogyny also helped Obama win the Democratic nomination.
6. Financial Advantage
By circumventing election laws, the Obama campaign managed to maintain and increase its financial advantage throughout the campaign. For McCain, a biased media and Obama’s illicit financial advantage was just a fatal combination.