african americans have suffered at the hand of racism and bigotry, and are in turn, bigots?
By American Girl in Italy on November 6, 2008 at 3:05 PM in African Americans, Barack Obama, Current Affairs, GLBT, Gender Bias, Pandering, Racism
“Barack Obama’s rise to the presidency of the United States is something local African Americans who lived through segregation and the civil rights movement never imagined would happen in their lifetime. Madison remembers the time when she wasn’t allowed to eat lunch with white shoppers at the ….lunch counter. She remembers the days when she had to sit in the back of the bus.
“It is the hurt feeling that I couldn’t do what the other kids could do,” Saunders said.
But now, Obama’s election ushers in a sense of hope, not for their generation but for the generation to come. “President-elect Obama means that my children, my grandchildren, my great-grandchildren, it means they have a better future.” Madison said.
“If a Black man can become president in the same country that wouldn’t even allow him to drink from a “white’s only” water fountain 50 yrs ago, then who am I to tell a little child that something can’t happen?”
I find it utterly ironic that the millions of people who voted for Obama are simultaneously congratulating themselves on their ability to transcend race and bigotry.
They are being quoted everywhere you turn about the how they have suffered, have been denied equal rights, have felt as second class citizens, were discriminated against, for how they were born.
And yet, “California’s black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, provided key support for a state ban on same-sex marriage. Proposition 8 overturns a May California Supreme Court decision legalizing gay nuptials and rewrites the state constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Exit poll data showed seven in 10 black voters and more than half of Latino voters backed the ballot initiative, while whites and Asians were split.”
“Denise Fernandez, a 57-year-old African-American from Sacramento, said she voted for Obama but felt especially compelled to cast a ballot this year to support Proposition 8. “I came out because of my religious beliefs. I believe a Christian is held accountable, and we have to make a difference,” Fernandez said.”
So, the message is, *Don’t judge me for who I am, or how I was born, but I am free to judge you for who you are, and how you were born. Don’t judge me for the color of my skin, but I am free to judge you for who you love. Don’t deny me the right to do what others can do, but I am free to deny you those rights that I am allowed.*
Barack Obama campaigned as a candidate opposed to gay marriage. I don’t doubt that Obama’s position on gay marriage influenced a large majority of his supporters. I saw Obama, once, speak out against Prop 8, as almost an afterthought to his comment that he opposed gay marriage. Obama pandered to Christian Conservatives to get elected. He refused to march in gay pride parades, he refused to be photographed with prominent Gay leaders in San Francisco.
And now, the voters, his supporters, in California have passed Prop 8, banning gay marriage. It even goes so far as to change the State Constitution to claim marriage between a man and woman.
Have African Americans forgotten the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments of the Constitution? Those are the types of Amendments that the constitution needs, ones that grant more freedoms and equalities.
The opening of the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776, states as follows:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The phrase was also quoted by Martin Luther King, Jr. in his famous I Have a Dream speech, as the “creed” of the United States:
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.
What part of that do people not understand?
As a woman, I understand that it applies to ALL people. Black, White, Brown, Male, Female, Gay or Straight.
You either hold these truths as self evident, or you don’t.
I think we all saw the inequality regarding the sexes this election cycle. And we see the bigotry. We may have *overcome* racism by electing Barack Obama.
But, before his supporters spend any more time patting themselves on the back, I think they need to take a good hard look in the mirror, and ask the question, *do I believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.*
We can’t claim entitlement to equality if we crush the right to equality of others.
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Looks like while people are so energized to transcend race they forgot about bigotry. In all fairness, this could have been predicted after all the misogyny in the early primaries.
You can still be a bigot as long as it isn’t directed in a racial manner. That’s the cultural takeaway from this election cycle. Oh, and our President-elect sat on the fence, except when it came to race.
OBAMA MAY BE THE FIRST CLOSED *GAY* BLACK PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. REJOICE!
LARRY SINCLAIR WAS EFFECTIVELY SILENCED BY AXELROD AS OBAMA KNEW HE HAD TO BE SILENCED. REMEMBER LARRY’S BLOG AND THE LAST TIME HE WROTE HE REFERRED TO A “NEW PRESTIGIOUS LAWYER FROM A WELLKNOWN PRESTIGIOUS LAW FIRM”!!
LARRY WILL NOT TALK NOW! WHY SHOULD HE, AFTER HE WAS PAID 200,000 TO SHUT UP!!!
WHERE ARE THE COLUMBIA AND NEW YORK DATES AND LOVES AND GIRLFRIENDS OF THE YOUNG OBAMA? HE WAS CHARMING. HOW COME NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAS COME OUT TO CLAIM HIM?
WHY/ CAUSE OBAMA’S SEX LIFE CONSISTED OF ONE-NIGHT STANDS IN NEW YORK!!!GO TO AN 80s CROWD AND YOU’LL FIND OUT ABOUT OUR FIRST GAY PRESIDENT!!!
Absolutely–Our First Gay President, Barry Soetoro or Hussein Obama! Congrats!
Now I know why he referred to his New York Pakistani roommate as “WELL BUILT GUY”…..
This skinny fraud is using, like Sarah said in her speech, the election as a “Road to his Self-Discovery”…we’ll be paying for his shrink sessions in the exWhite House!
Um, if he were gay, I still wouldn’t care.
Obama is gay, and so is Rahm Emmanuel…I should know my partner once slept with Rahm and can tell you all the intimates.
I bet they are lovers. CHIEF OF STAFF….indeed!
woh
Does MO know?
Even worse is the fact that BO’s parents themselves would have been criminalized by anti-miscegenation statutes until the USSCt invalidated them in Loving v Virginia in 1967 — one of the most ringing endorsements of the primacy of liberty and personal choice in any SCt ruling. Ironically, California beat the USSC to it in Perez many years before Loving v Virginia.
BO himself and many of those voting against lesgay marriage owe their existence to the spirit of equality and inclusion the imbues the constitution.
This really is one for the history books, this fraud.
Interesting informaiton about “Larry Sinclair.” Doesn’t exactly come off as trustworthy. Or believable. But hey, keep using a convicted liar as your source, I’m sure you’ll be smelling like a rose.
Woops, forgot to put in my link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164_Page2.html
Yes, and many people are very upset in California over the seeming disparity between the victory for Obama and the defeat for same-sex marriage proponents. I made a video (with annotation and video links in the description) about this issue:
Barack Obama core constituency ensures victory of Proposition 8 in California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oqzAFbRB5g
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Here are 4 other just-posted videos relating to Obama, his enablers, his critics and American citizens:
Chris Matthews: My ‘Job’ to help Obama presidency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7NJWW-n1Y
Joe the Plumber interview with Newsmax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B6_B7VzY3Y
Newsweek editor: Obama cult ‘creepy’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdelQuNo8Kg
Texas gun sales soar after Barack Obama elected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHxWP0JKKcY
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American Girl, thanks for writing about this issue. Given the civil rights implications and the passion many Californians feel about same-sex marriage (on both sides), I think this CA election result could have real political implications for President-elect Obama.
I could have told them to not get their hopes up. The same thing happened here. It wasn’t unprecedented.
Women have suffered at the hand of sexism and bigotry…Should they be bigots and racist?? Just ask.
Shame on you Obama voters you have elected a sexist hater. This is not a great change for US or for the world.
i am seriously thinking not voting for the dems again until they have a woman on the presidential ticket. the bottom line is clear: they know they can screw women (and gays) and get away with it. until there are consequences for doing it, they will keep doing it.
Those who voted against “gay marriage” are not bigots. They are people who want to keep the same definition of marriage that it has had for thousands of years.
Really, “definition” for thousands of years, wow, that’s a long time, and yet, oh so wrong. It was a definition for Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity nad Judaïsm), but not for the rest of the world, S.S. Marriages were common in China up until the cultural revolution, hell, when Marco Polo arrived, he was surprised by the openness; in India, whilst not so common for S.S. marriages, it’s more common for a “man” to be a castrato and marry another man; ancient Greece, and Macedonia the S.S. relationships were the core of the army – If you don’t have a bond/love for your buddy in life, then you won’t in battle, and with out that strong bond, will not be able to win against the aggressors; Pacific Islander tribes, it was a right of passage to become a bat, to fellate the elder of the tribe, to pass on his “manhood” ; and there are many more exaples – Just because 2 [Christianity and Islam] very large (And only because the killed, and forced conversion of millions of people) religions say that it’s wrong, does not mean that it’s wrong.
ANd for those religious folks who say that Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end…
What happened to evolution is just a theory? hmmm? Thought so.
Wow! That’s a lot of evidence for thousands of years. Are you suggesting that modern gay men should have one in the couple submit to castration in order to “marry” Indian style? I don’t know what you are talking about with China, but the rest of your examples don’t sound anything like marriage to me. Dig a little deeper. I think you will have to do a lot of work to come up with more examples of MARRIAGE among same sex couples on a widespread scale throughout history.
Quit trying to blame Christians for the anti “gay marriage” sentiment. People of all cultures, religions, and geographic areas have a basic understanding of what marriage is and “gay marriage” doesn’t fit that understanding. It puzzles me why marriage is so important to gays.
I suspect the pendulum will rapidly swing back to before the elections. Groups identifying themselves as this or that will be subject to discrimination. Human first and then whatever mantle of difference one uses to identify themselves would be nice. But when people are only invested in their differences, the pointed discrimination will follow along naturally.
The rules for whites don’t apply to minorities. Its not racist for 95% of blacks to support a black candidate as it is racism for 85% of whites to support a white candidate. Thats the way its been for awhile. Thats also why a black man can be against gay marriage, yet if it were a white republican they’d be called a bigot or fag-basher.
“A black man can be against gay marriage”—but they can be 100% for DL. lol. TALK ABOUT HYPOCRACEY. Are all black men who practice DL homosexuals? I mean, after all, people are what they practice.
I’ve been warning you all about this for awhile. I get passed up and not taken seriously just like I was when I complained about vote fraud back in February and people made fun of me…
Blacks will sleep with you one day and go out and vote against you the next day…I know what I’m taling about…I warned you.
Well if the treatment of Clinton is anything to go by.. First Bill Clinton was the “first black president” and then the very same people called him a racist.
I’m not surprised by this outcome, AA’s in general are very conservative.
yep- especially when it comes to how many baby-mama’s they have.
and just how many do they have?
Double standards suck for sure. Just so we don’t fall into stereotyping as we examine this I was told by a black person they were against Baby Opampers because of how he treated women, specifically Hillary and the playing of the race card.
Any people that voted to discriminate against LGBT people and also voted for an unqualified racist/sexist/misogynist/homophobe/elitist/classist/ageist to get a symbolic idol are dangerous hypocrites. And religion is no excuse for denying people their fundamental right to equal protection under the law!
I think that’s the bottom line for me. People of whatever background have no inherent license to discriminate.
What I mean is what I said is the “popular” view in so far as most stupid people (aka 90% of obamatons) who cannot think on their own and need to be told their ideas will think.
Strange thing (per the “popular” view) was though both Obama and McCain were against gay marriage, it was the republican who not only knew gay people but treated them as people and is good friends with some of them. Have we ever heard of Obama being friends with gays?
I can’t resist: Larry Sinclair?
A booty call not a friend make…besides that encounter may have been the crack talking!
Well Larry Sinclair and Donald Young? Maybe those other 2 gay men who were murdered in like way as Donald Young? All 3 were gay, black and from the same church as Barack. Did he know them? That I do not know.
According to Larry Sinclair, Donald Young was calling him on his (Larry’s ) cell and the only people with that number was Barack’s campaign. So did Barack or someone in his campaign knew Donald Young? This I do not know. Did they know the other 2 men? That I do not know either. Did Barack know Larry Sinclair? Maybe time will tell…..?
I know that one of Baracks three spiritual mentors Rev James Meeks appears to be a homophobic. Is he? That I do not know.
I thought about this after I looked at the votes. It’s a sad day, when Animal Rights and I voted for Prop 2 as well, surpass human rights/dignities. I couldn’t celebrate after that. What makes it so disgusting is this is the same man that held up for three years in committee infants that were born alive left to suffer and die in linen closets. Then voted against it in senate. Who claimed that infanst that survived their abortions where not entitled to any rights under the constitution. We don’t even let dogs die in such an inhumane manner. So they support that genocide, those without a voice. But, they don’t want gay people to be married, to have adoption rights? I’d say that’s a bit more than hypocritical.
We are starting to parallel 1930’s Germany so much it is now starting to become scary. Hitler was a vegetarian. They were all for “animal rights” but just not for Jewish people’s rights.
Hitler was also for allowing select babies to die. I can’t believe the media carried Barry’s water on the infanticide vote. Factcheck.org said “weell there were already laws in place” as if the legislator decided one day “Hey just for kicks we need to have a law about babies born during botched abortions” totally ignoring the fact eyewitness testimony said those laws did dick!
Well thank the Jewish voters for helping elect Barack Obama. 77% of them voted for him. Yes, I am bitter.
You should see all of the huge Obama banners hanging from each street light post in the downtown Chicao area (I believe that the city pays for these, but they recoup some of that investment by auctioning off the banners later). One banner has that nose in the air picture like Mussolini, and the other has that infamous “O” symbol. Reminiscent of the swastica banners hanging throughout 1930s Munich.
I’ve always viewed it also as a women’s issue. At this time, nursing is still largely a female profession. Think about being a nurse, no matter your belief about the right to choose, and then being handed a live tiny human and being told to let the human die. It goes against your profession and your instincts. But since it’s a woman who has to do it, a “man” like “O” can feel he is making a philosophical statement about protecting women’s rights.
It’s abuse of the largely female profession of nurses.
Even in nursing–we worked hard to convince men that there was room for them in nursing (it is certainly not for dummies in this high-tech world)and we wanted them, and guess what–as the percentage of men in nursing increased, so did the already top-heavy man to woman ratio in nursing administration. i.e., There were always more men in the “boss” positions, and their share has been increasing disproportionally to the whole body of nurses.
My Son-In-Law is a Nurse and A Damn good one too…..
Most of the male nurses I have met where really great.
I’m not saying they aren’t good bedside nurses, or administrators either. I’m saying it is very disappointing for women that men continue to dominate the higher paid, more managerial jobs out of proportion to their total numbers in nursing.
I am a RN and male nurse’s get many of the promotions and acolytes despite not being nearly experienced as their female counterparts. Even in nursing, it is a man’s world and Women are their own worst enemies!
You can check it out with the sharia and women. Tradition and/or religion is a good reason to kill, beat or deny women’s human rights.
So, are you thinking that Pres. O’s slip on ABC was truthful” “My Muslim Faith”
hey,
I think this is a really ignorant statement you are making. Islam provides for women’s rights and we definitely treat our women with more respect than you westerners do yours.
For one and least importantly, we lower our eyes en dey walk into a room
That really says it all. thank you.
Zaggs, have you ever considered that whites have ALWAYS supported a white candidate in every prior presidential election, as have Blacks. Does that make whites racist? Can you quantify the perceived “best interest” of those Black voters? I’m asking rhetorically because I know you can’t. Maybe its wise to think before speaking….or in this case, typing!
Yeah. White people are the only racist on the face of the earth. If you don’t believe me just ask the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
I find it kind of like asking a vegetarian why he wears leather shoes …. all mouth!!!
uhm but a people who steal the election can be the president in the USA?
So is it just me or What???
Obama’s Grandmother died on Monday morning, are there any plans for a funeral or doesnt Obama care anymore….Seems strange to me.
I have a theory – that perhaps she died when he visited Hawaii and wanted to keep it all ‘on ice’ for a last-minute sympathy vote. He had to be there to personally handle these really creepy details??? Just a theory.
I wouldn’t trust him any further than I could throw him. He has no loyalty to anyone and certainly not his ‘white racist grandmother’ as he referred to her. I saw his comments on Monday about how close he was to her and I said to my husband “Look at that cold, lying bastard. Butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth.”
RIGHT. Butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth–BUT– Sinclair [DELETED by Administrator] ;( . arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
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That’s it exactly Florida Ex-Dem. It was just too coincedental to happen the day before the election.
I totally believe it’s a Plouffe/Axelrod maneuver for a sympathy kick of extra votes.
I guess I just don’t trust him WHAT SO EVER
BINGO! That’s exactly what I said went down. I said the same thing just this morning. She died before he went to Hawaii. He went to bury her. My guess is she died in the hospital, they took her directly to a funeral home and her funeral and/or cremation was covered up/hidden from the press. If she was cremated, that would be so easy to hide.
He used her death for last minute sympathy votes. He’s such a pig!
But deaths are easier to follow up on that births–
thaN births. Usually there are newspaper notices. If you know a SS#, they will eventually post the death. There are probably mortuary records submitted to the state periodically. The hospital has to tally its vital statistics, though the names might not be broken down.
That is a very strange theory.
I do know that I have found it Very Strange that there are no current pictures of her, much less of her and Obama.
I think the last picture we saw of her and Obama was when Obama was in College?? Strange.
I just figured that since she died Monday Obama would be taking a few days off after the Election to attend her funeral and grieve a bit. (Who was it Jon Dalton who won Survivor???”)
I hope this is not true about Obama.. I already have some spooky feelings about him.
Wouldn’t the local paper there in Hawaii have his grandmother’s information in their obituary section? I wonder if it is.
I was wondering the same thing!
Any word on the funeral arrangements?
Stop the hate!
Seems strange that the story was she fell and broke her hip, then it changed to she had been suffering from cancer. It is all totally bizarre. All the secrecy is NOT normal.
They could also be hiding her so she doesn’t talk about his birth certificate. That’s another theory.
It’s a possibility. It’s not uncommon for old people’s minds to wander and they could have worried that she might have let the secret slip.
What I don’t get is why isn’t there any mention of the funeral? They should at least have a fake one. The TV media really doesn’t give a crap about finding out diddly-do-do about this guy do they?
maybe she’ll be resurrected when it’s all over?
Now that he is firmly established in his deity, he will just bring her back to life.
GORT: Klatu verada Nickto
(from “The Day The Earth Stood Still”)
I personally have seen the worst racism in 30 years, since Obama came on the scene. What with Rev. Wright’s rants, Me-Shell Obama’s attitude, and the attacks of the Obots, I feel obama has set race relations back 50 years in this country. (And I live in what’s considered to be a ‘black’ neighborhood.)
Obama set the tone with his ‘racism’ attacks and now? It’s going to be ongoing. However, now I do not think everyone will be tiptoeing around the subject matter. He’s president ‘in spite of his race’ (as he’d like you to think) and now he’s to be held accountable for his actions and the actions of his followers.
It isn’t the cakewalk he thinks it will be.
And people will hear a racist rant from Mrs. Obama — she can’t keep her mouth from going on auto-pilot.
Her college thesis was a racist rant.
But hey now it’s ok to drag gays behind trucks and hang gays up? Is is now time to return to the closet and marry someone of the opposite sex — to prove ungayness?
Sexism and extreme hatred of gays by the mob seem to go hand in hand. This happened during the 60s & 70s.
Also when the economic times are tough — the authoritarian leaders love to give their mob a focus for the hate — for Hitler he used the Jews. And on Atlas Shrugs I read some of their hate mail — and hatred of Jews has raised its ugly head again.
Being from the west coast I’ve never witnessed blind rage toward Jews — I just don’t peg people by their ethnic genetics. But I’ve heard and read accounts of the blind rage directed at Jews from NY & NJ during the 50s and 60s — Jewish boaters were refused permission to fill their boat’s fuel tanks — merely because they were Jewish.
Hitler also targeted gays — or pointed his mob in the direction of gays.
I think what we might be seeing is mob psychology — the beast of the mob — where the individuals in the mob seem to give up their free will and follow the primitive rage. Cult leaders are able to direct the rage of their followers. At one time this was merely theory — something I studied in college — at the time I thought mob rule couldn’t happen here — we have evolved past the primitive. But right now I don’t know — I am really concerned that O-zero has tapped into the primitive reptilian brain of the mob.
THANK YOU American girl in Italy — Bigotry is something rational Americans must discuss — out in the open.
My concern is the bigotry is being willfully exploited.
Why were the people who hung and effigy of BO arrested but not the ones who hung one of Sarah?
I have always treated blacks the way I treat anyone else. When I worked at a factory I was shoved by them, never have been by a white. It was a black city council members wife who called the police on me and tried to have me arrested fro holding a McCain/Palin campaign sign.
Tell you what if I ever get threatened or shoved again, I will shove back. Some blacks will think they can do so even more now. If we bow down and take it they will do more the next time.
Just like the woman in Chicago who slapped the white policeman. She said she could do so now that there was a black president. Or the black people who left the white waitress a note instead of a tip. They said now that the White House was black they didn’t have to tip her.
Race relations are set back years. It didn’t have to be this way. But being called a racist over and over finally may make it so.
That never happened, no one was arrested. You get the prize for being the Ignoramus of the day!!!!
Immigrants are a scapegoat that both parties seem to demonize, and the American public seems to like bashing them as well. When you refer to someone as “Illegal” or as an “alien”, the visceral hatred and ignorance that follows should not come as a surprise. Before everyone piles on, I want to make it clear that I’m not an advocate for open borders or no enforcement. I am an advocate for comprehensive immigration reform that will benefit the United States and not be used or perceived as some welfare or benefits program for the foreign born. This would require looking at the interconnectiveness of all of these immigration related issues, and not the simplistic unilateral governmental approach taken by most politicians.
Well if you break the law to enter this country, that is illegal, Hence illegal emigrant.
And if you go faster than the speed limit, would you be referred to as an “Illegal Driver” ? Persons may commit illegal acts, but no person is illegal. Words matter, and words can shape and drive the discussion or frame the issue, like “death tax.”
I just read today that in Oakland, Ca about 1/3 of traffic accidents are caused by illegals who hit and run. It’s interesting that the liberals don’t care about the victims of those accidents. With the economy the way it is most people can’t afford a new car or expensive repairs. I am no longer sympathetic to those who break the law.
. I am an advocate for comprehensive immigration reform that will benefit the United States and not be used or perceived as some welfare or benefits program for the foreign born
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…that will ‘benefit the United States’? Guess what! This country is falling apart and our CITIZENS are losing their jobs and homes and are having a hard time as it is, but YOU want to make sure the ILLEGALS – the ones who BROKE OUR LAWS, STOLE our SSN’S (MINE included!!), BANKRUPTED the banks by FRAUDULENTLY applying for mortgages they COULD NOT AFFORD and who are TAKING ALL THE AVAILABLE JOBS THAT ARE LEFT AWAY FROM OUR OWN CITZENS – you think THESE people will ‘benefit the United States’????? How so?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/who-stayed-home-election-day-what-was-the-price/
Active links at URL above and the emphasis below is mine. But the numbers tell a story:
The hard core right wing despised McCain even though he nominated the extremely strong religious conservative Sarah Palin for VP.
He game them what they wanted, and they still abandoned him.
They are the ones who forced GW Bush into the GOP nomination in 2000, over John McCain.
Thanks, right wing nuts. Really great job. You made Barack Obama my husband’s Commander in Chief.
The simple answer is that they’re asses (social cons thats is. I’m a right winger but not a social con). They’ve never liked McCain for the same reason I have liked him. He thinks for himself. He’ll buck the party (he has been on record as voting with the party as low as like 60% of the time in one year) when he thinks its right. He also won’t pull stupid crap like a federal ban on gay marriage and he’s mixed on abortion.
Though I have a feeling, it really wasn’t about McCain. It was about taking the soul of the GOP back. About wrecking the party so badly people would flock in droves to the social cons. Thats why currently I’m having a crisis of conscience waiting to see what becomes of my party. If the social cons retake it I’m out…I just don’t have a clue in hell where to go. The dem party has the same but opposite problem. The far extreme has taken over. Libertarians are nuts and the rest of whack jobs as well.
Yep. You actually see lots of them gloating that McCain has lost, because they think their type will now have total control of the GOP.
It’s all about power for them…just like the Obots. Damn the country, damn the military, damn the “unborn” that they all scream about all the time.
McCain is strongly anti-abortion and always has been. The only thing he supported was using embryonic stem cells from embryos that had been created for IVF, and were going to be thrown away. These were “extra” embryos, and could have been used for research programs instead of just thawed and thrown in the trash….
Because he supported that one, common sense, thing, they all run around screaming that McCain isn’t “pro-life.” He’s plenty pro-life. He’s just also pro-science.
Obviously you are right about the dem party as well. I so wanted Obama to lose, because that would allow the democrat party to toss out the extremist crazies who manufactured him and marketed him as the candidate.
Now those crazies are enshrined as the leaders of our country.
Democracy? 0 .
Most of my extended family, although disappointed with Obama, couldn’t quite bring themselves to vote Republican and stayed home.
I think this was a major factor, and new and AA (not to mention fraudulent) voters were of more impact than the numbers may a first glance indicate.
Were they PUMAS? Figures…spineless..
Now we have to live with this dreadful Piece ‘o crap posing as a leader..WTF?
I’m a Dem who voted Repub all the way down..true thing! Whatever it takes..apparently half of the PUMAS went soft and punked Mac and Sarah in the name of Hillary
..it’s the Republican thing I guess..BS!
That is exactly what I feel happened with these so called PUMA nonsense, they were great making a web site , talking over and over about what was done to Hillary by Obama, but from the day Hillary started to beg them to support Obama that was it.
Some went out on election day and voted for Obama because of Hillary, yet they keep saying Hillary 2012 I really don’t know how they are swinging that now, and some well they are all now keeping there fingers crossed that Hillary gets some high ranking job from Obama and not be regulated back to the senate
The voted Obama because they feel doing so Obama will treat her kindly, that is all. Who knows maybe some of this nonsense talk about Plain is coming from the democrat supporters just to keep another woman out of the limelight especially one that has a dam good chance of becoming very popular and winning.
You have to understand, PUMA was a blog presence. We did our best to get the word out but our potential demographic was not blogging politics all day.
We were no match for the print and tv media where almost everyone got their information decidedly skewed toward Obama. The fact that Bill and Hillary campaigned for him certainly made it worse, and although I understand they had to do it, it really yanks my chain.
But from the numbers I saw today it looks as if the Republican base shares some responsibility for President BO.
No, they’re just Democrats. I was the only PUMA and voted straight Republican (and no on 8 by the way).
I actually think most of the PUMAs came through.
Is this real?
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=4562
EXPLOSIVE: Hillary Clinton Accuses Obama of Voter Suppression and Intimidation
by Bill Levinson
COPY AND CIRCULATE THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN’S LETTER TO STOP OBAMA
On October 17, Barack Obama’s campaign counsel, Robert Baeur, sent the U.S. Justice Department a letter that accused “Justice Department and White House officials in supporting the McCain-Palin campaign and the Republican National Committee (”RNC”)’s systematic development and dissemination of unsupported, spurious allegations of vote fraud.” First, it is not merely an allegation, but a fact (as shown by guilty pleas) that ACORN registered voters ranging from a seven year old girl to notables such as Mickey Mouse, Dick Tracy, Jive Turkey, and Mary Poppins. The Obama campaign argues that this proven voter registration fraud is not the same thing as actual vote fraud. We find this reasoning ludicrous, and an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Once ACORN creates a nonexistent voter, it is easy to envision how someone might show up under that identity on Election Day–maybe not as Mickey Mouse, but perhaps as “Richard Tracy” or hundreds of thousands of even more realistic names.
The Obama campaign’s far bigger problem is, however, that Hillary Clinton has joined the “Justice Department and (Republican) White House officials, the McCain/Palin campaign, and the RNC” in accusing not merely ACORN but the Obama campaign itself of Tammany Hall-style election tactics: “voter suppression, intimidation, and harassment systematically engaged in by the Obama campaign, its allies and supporters.” Senator Clinton is at least nominally supporting Obama today, but she left Obama the electoral equivalent of a ticking time bomb in January: a letter from campaign counsel Lyn Utrecht that accuses the Obama campaign of voter suppression, intimidation, and harassment during the Nevada caucuses. The letter is online as of October 27 2008 (backup here). Now comes the October surprise that will bring Obama crashing down; it is time for PUMAs, Republicans, Joe the Plumbers, and all other patriotic Americans to circulate the following optical character recognition transcript as widely as possible. (We also sent it to McCain/Palin, but we cannot count on that campaign’s bureaucracy to act on it with a nationally televised advertisement.)
No point of this letter now, it there? It didn’t amount to a hill of beans.
So less people voted this time than in 2004? That is stunning.
That’s what the numbers looked like to me. More of the MSM distorting reality.
American Girl, this is a GREAT piece. Thank you so much for this. I was not surprised by this – even the NY Times had an article wondering if this was going to happen in CA for the reasons it did. It says a lot abt a people that they would willfully choose to make another group of people second class citizens. And I mean Americans in general. How is it that only two states in the entire country think we are full American citizens? How is it that we have more rights in SOUTH AFRICA, a country not too long agon in the throes of apartheid, than we do in the US? Or have more rights in CROATIA than we do here? It is a sad, sad commentary.
As to why so many GLBT supported Obama, I don’t know. Same for women, as others have pointed out. He has made no bones abt his being a misogynistic homophobe. But, people didn’t want to believe what they were hearing, and claimed the whole hope-y, change-y thing was what was MOST important. And it was easier than standing up to the DNP machine and force them to do the right thing by Hillary. Millions of people stepped aside and allowed them to dismiss Hillary and break their own rules (and all rules of decency, ethics, and morality).
Oops – sorry for the preaching. Again, great piece!
The LGBT community is so used to viewing all Republicans as their enemy they didn’t stop to look at McCain’s record itself, nor that of Obama’s. Also during the convention Obama certified about five gay-themed sites to cover the convention as a result these help spread distortions about McCain and Palin. One, in particular, towleroad has major traffic amongst gay readers. It took many of its stories on McCain-Palin directly from Axelrod.
Furthermore many gays received e-mails and fliers within the community stating McCain would send them to Guantanamo Bay. Against rationality many believed that.
I told my gay friends that given the prominenceand acceptance of homophobia in the Black community that would make it difficult for Obama to fully support gay rights.
Just wait for the race relations when those enormous “reparations checks” don’t get delivered to every AA in this country. I give it six months until some serious civil unrest. Wonder if they heard that he’s not paying for their health care, but he’s spending more on DEFENSE. ROFLMAO. Welcome to Bush III. And I am WAY PISSED that the AAs have the nerve to pass 8. This should teach gays to KNOW their candidate. Obama doesn’t support 8 either or gay marriage. Can someone please tell me why gays went nuts over someone who clearly doesn’t like them?
Unbelieveable, isn’t it? I mean, how naive can these people be?
I read on one of the ‘orange monster’ boards where the brain-deadm post-smoking, non-working members there feel that it’s not a big deal that the Dow dropped that much yesterday and is dropping today because it will all be better once Obama’s ‘Green Industry’ kicks in. HUH? Have these people ever even attended the most rudimentary of economics classes?
It’s the first time the markets have fallen after a new president was elected. Tells you that investors and consumers and people that actually count in a vibrant economy have zero confidence in Obama. And it’s not that others don’t count but, if the economy tanks, those who are employed by the investors, or those who’s industries are affected by investors are the first to go down. Idiots.
Ahh! But they’ll be there for the next 6 months waiting for those promised checks and of course, that mortgage bailout Obama promised each and every one of them. Fools.
Ask Kafka?
He likes em. That One just doesn’t want anyone to know.
How about blue collar union members? Obama obviously looks down his nose at those people. The Palins are those people, but for some reason, lots of them voted for Obama.
How about Jews?
How about women?
Yes, Obama has announced he will amnesty the illegals in the country and then bring millions more in–end of unions in the U. S.
tek:
It doesn’t matter what he wants, as this is a call that can only be made by Congress. If he really cared, he would have remained a Senator.
The African-American community is notoriously anti-gay (not everyone — but a large majority). I know this because my partner is African-American and she cannot come out to her family AT ALL. Also African-Americans DO NOT equate gay rights with racial equality or the Civil Rights Movement. In fact, making this comparison is an outright insult to them. Obama will not be embracing the gay community anytime soon. I can only surmise that the reason gay groups supported Obama is that they felt they would reap benefits from the Democratic gains in the Senate and House. I did not support him and one of the reasons is because of his not-so-hidden anti-gay agenda. The other reason — well, we all know about Obama’s attitude toward women (along with the DNC, media and everyone else who piled on the two prominent female candidates).
Much of the antipathy towards gays in the AA community comes from the black church, unfortunately.
Black people are not really all that tolerant. My daughter is biracial and goes to a predominantly black school in the South. She is lightskinned and has long curly hair. Her freshman year she took a great deal of flack because of her skin color and mixed parentage (which is odd, because Barky is half-white. She even cut her hair because she didn’t want anyone to be jealous of her. Why she chose to go back there is a mystery.
yeah, i wonder about that guy who hung pallin in effegy. well he has a lot of time to think about it now. he lives in california and he if wants to get married, so sorry!
Good point, Stodghie.
Ha Stodgie. Great – Karma is a -itch.
heard stories of palin effigy being burned in SF on election night. i was abhorred.
Galt: I work with many gay people who were Hillary supporters whoe then immediately jumped on the Obama wagon. They seriously believed Obama is going to give them Civil Unions and Marriage. They believe he will support them like no other.
If you try to tell them otherwise they huff, puff and blow you off.
(why do I have trouble posting lately? Admin? )
Unbelieveable, isn’t it? I mean, how naive can these people be?
I read on one of the ‘orange monster’ boards where the brain-deadm post-smoking, non-working members there feel that it’s not a big deal that the Dow dropped that much yesterday and is dropping today because it will all be better once Obama’s ‘Green Industry’ kicks in. HUH? Have these people ever even attended the most rudimentary of economics classes?
It’s the first time the markets have fallen after a new president was elected. Tells you that investors and consumers and people that actually count in a vibrant economy have zero confidence in Obama. And it’s not that others don’t count but, if the economy tanks, those who are employed by the investors, or those who’s industries are affected by investors are the first to go down. Idiots.
Ahh! But they’ll be there for the next 6 months waiting for those promised checks and of course, that mortgage bailout Obama promised each and every one of them. Fools.
HEY! someone agrees with me–I give them six months too. Then if the free ride isn’t available it’s katey bar the door. Just the right atmosphere to throw the socialist democrats out of office forever.
I have always been shocked at the anti-gay sentiments in the AA community. One of the worst things Obama did is throw the LGBT community under the bus. How long will these people have to wait for justice?
One of the saddest, most tragic things I have seen in my entire life is how gays in the AA community have to live on the down low. It is not only tragic for the gays, it is tragic because having to “act straight” helps spread AIDS in the AA (and hispanic) community.
And Rev. Wright claims that AIDS is biological warfare designed by whitie to kill AA’s.
White people do not own the franchise on hypocrisy, that’s for sure.
I grieve for my LGBT brothers and sisters.
Arabella — you are so right about this. I just posted similar comments above. Gays in the AA community are treated just terribly.
The African-American community is notoriously anti-gay (not everyone — but a large majority).
Not me.
Gay latinos probably have an even harder time.
Rachel Maddow and Donna (the racist) Brazille are both lesbians and yet they were dogmatic supporters of the ONE the only O-zero.
And my neighbors — a gay couple who have be together longer than most hetro marriages last. They voted for O-zero — because he wasn’t bush — and they didn’t like Palin.
The media really did their best to trash McCain & Palin.
Why bother to pretend this is a democracy and why bother to spend million (billions) on campaigns and voting — just let the media pick the next penis for Prez and be done with the crap of elections.
I had this conversation with a bot on another blog. He said he knew Obama had problems with this issue but that McCain was far worse.
People believe what they want to believe, the facts rarely make a difference.
When Obama refused to be photographed with Gavin Newsome, that should have told people something, don’t you think so?
Get a grip… “reparations checks” sorry, but it’s only the fevered dreams of folks like yourself who continue to push this twisted image of expectations among African American supporters…
Same way there were no riots the night of the election, there won’t be riots in the future – no one’s expecting any checks for cryin’ out loud.
This has everything to do with religious bias (and bigotry for sure) and NOTHING to do with the race of the person – to try and make it so says much more about where you’re coming from… like your whole “reparations check” meme
CNN’s exit poll numbers:
White (63% of the vote) = 49% yes, 51% no
African American (10% of the vote)= 70% yes, 30% no
Latino (18% of the vote) = 53% yes, 47% no
Asian (6% of the vote) = 49% yes, 51% no
Other (3% of the vote) = 51% yes, 49% no
Why would there be riots when the black man won? Geezus. Had he lost, Chicago would still be burning.
Kevin, I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove with the exit poll numbers (presuming this is on Prop 8), but a response of “Yes” was to support banning same-sex marriage.
Let’s take the percentages you provided and apply them to a sample of 10000 people:
Whites (6300) = 3087, yes; 3213, no
African American (1000) = 700, yes; 300, no
Latino (1800) = 954, yes; 846, no
Asian (600) = 294, yes; 306, no
Other (300) = 153, yes; 147, no
So, out of a total sample of 10000 people, we get
5178, yes; 4812, no.
The difference between those two figures is 366. You might notice that the difference is a much smaller number than the difference between the AA “yes” and “no” votes. In fact, if the African-Americans vote on Prop 8 had broken down in the same ratio as the White vote (49%, yes; 51%, no), the Proposition would have been defeated (the total vote from this sample would have been 4978 to 5022. Hell, if the African-American vote had been 51% yes and 49% no, the measure would have STILL been defeated (although by a much, much narrower margin).
By contrast, even a total switch of the Latino vote (47% yes, 53% no) with no change in the AA vote would have still resulted in Prop 8’s passage. (From the 10000 vote sample, the total result would have come to 5080 “yes” compared to 4920 “no”.)
The AA percentage of the total vote might seem less significant, but the AA percentage of votes cast was. From my previous sample of 10000, the AA “yes” vote amounted to a full 7% of the total vote and represented a full 13.5% of the total “yes” vote. Whites made up 59.6% of the total “yes” vote, Latinos, 18.4%, Asians, 5.7%. In terms of percentage of the total vote, African-Americans voted “yes” in numbers MUCH greater than their overall percent of the vote represented (13.5% of the “yes” vote vs 10% of the total voting population). Whites “undervoted” their ratio as did Asians and Latinos just slightly “overvoted” their ratio
The AA “no” vote, by comparison, amounted to only 6.2% of the total “no” vote. Whites made up 66.8% of the total “no” vote, Latinos, 17.6%, and Asians, 6.4%. Again, in terms of the percentage of the total vote, African-Americans vastly undervoted their percentages (6.2% of the “no” vote vs 10% of the total voting population). Whites and Asians overvoted their percentages and Latinos, again, just slightly undervoted their percentage.
Sorry, but African-American voters in California bear the greater burden of responsibility on Prop 8’s passage. Let’s not forget that African-Americans were never targeted as “racists” for not supporting Obama while Whites were. In California, there is no way that Obama could have won without significant White backing/support. But from the actual results of the Prop 8 vote, if AA’s had just given same-sex marriage the same support that whites had to give Obama (to avoid the “racist” tag), Californians would not be adding discrimination to the State Constitution.
I can’t. Nor why women supported him either. Nor why organizations that support women’s rights supported him either. Frankly, I don’t know why anyone supported him as he is so inexperienced and surrounds himself with corruption and terrorists, foreign and domestic, and is. All of this is beyond my belief. The next four years will be even worse that Mr. Bush’s last eight.
addition: and is probably corrupt himself.
forgot to finish the sentence.
This is an article I just read.
The author says that when he heard the story first he thought that this guy might have read one John Le Carre novel too many.
But read it, please.
Very interesting theory obout Obama.
Written on the 4th, now we know more about the outcome.
The O might be a X.
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of?id=2018399%3ABlogPost%3A12595&page=1#comments
oh lordie.
you know, we were watching the news in italy tonight, and they were doing a story on obama, and they said that Obama’s grandmother is NOT his grandmother/mom of his mother. The news said it is just a woman that Stanley gave Obama to, when she would take off. They weren’t reporting it like it was new info, but that it was the truth.
I have never heard that before. Anyone else?
I think they were confused, or wrong.
The artile in the link goes so far to say that Anne Dunham is not his mother.
As I understand You the Italian News station says that the grandmother is not Stanley Annes mother?
Oh, man!
yes. they reported it like it was fact. and i even confirmed with my husband, to make sure i understood correctly. no blood relation – that’s what they said. she raised him, because his mom dumped him there.
Well in the article linked above — from the Israeli insider —
Interesting story re his sister Auma as well — she appears to be a full sister, not a half-sister as he is claiming, i.e. they share the same mother. She was ordered back to Kenya in 2007 to prevent DNA testing …. CIA did a DNA test on the grandparents, using saliva from glasses, which conclusively rules out any relationship between Obama and the Dunhams.”
“There are said to be photos of Ann Dunham on Waikiki Beach taken in or about July 1961, when she is supposed to have been in her third trimester, in a bikini, taken by a fellow female student. AD is clearly not pregnant. Media have not yet talked to fellow students, but it can’t be long. There are bound to be other photos of AD in existence taken during the alleged 2nd and 3rd trimesters. Obama campaign are terrified some one will press for her medical records, which have been accessed by CIA.”
Take the time to read the whole article — add this to the news report sarainitaly heard — and up is down and down is up.
I need to see evidence — there are big secrets here — his past has been covered up.
Follow the money — where did nearly a billion dollars come from to fuel O-zero’s campaign?
Wowee
This is so amazingly bizarre, it might be true.
Sort of like a non celestial version of the black DaVinci code…..
Something is amiss, otherwise why no b.c and all the other gaps, questions, things that don’t pass the “sniff test”????
I think that is a crazy theory. Obama looks a lot like his mother Stanley Ann.
wow. what an article. If it were any other time I would think this is a farce, but actually it makes sense. love the morphing image of malcom and barky.
Wow, I don’t know if this story is true, but that was very eerie. When I look at Malcolm X and him side by side, then the layover they did…Put a pair of glasses on him and he looks exactly like him! More than Davis or Obama Sr. I showed the pictures to my husband and didn’t tell him what the story was about, he said how come no one told us that Obama was related to Malcolm X?
I found this over there. Can you believe people signed a petition to ban water? No questions as to what dihyrdogen monoxide actually is. You’d think as Environmentalist they’d have heard that term more than once. I learned it in 4th grade elementary school science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
IT’S A SAD DAY FOR AMERICA WHEN AN ILLEGAL MUSLIM WITH THE HELP OF ANTI AMERICA DEMOCRATS CAN BUY AN ELECTION WE WILL NEVER CONSIDER OBAMA ( BARRY SOETORO) AS A PRESIDENT. WE WILL NEVER RESPECT THIS ILLEGAL EVER.
Now we have a Half Breed illegal born in Kenya and the Black Widow in the white house and the paid to win it
Selling all stocks, bonds , pulling all money from 401K while is isn’t taxed.
Selling business, already warned 1000 workers lay off are coming by tomorrow if he wins.
Got a metal lock box and setting up with Europe bank to invest there and put as much funds there as possible.
I have small funds but I want to save as much as possible for my family . Looking for a Meager job around 7 or 8 dollars an hour / We don’t need to buy anything any longer, no cars, houses , etc. Christmas shopping will be nil to none in preperation for the deep depression and the market crash that is coming.
Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36×8rTb3jI
Here is the link to a PDF of the transcribed telephone call where she also confirms that she was in the room when Barack was born – in Kenya! The sworn affidavit of this call is being used by Philip Berg in appeal to the Supreme Court.
Quote:
Ron McRae: Amen. I am so thankful. Could I ask her, uh, about his, uh, his actual birthplace? I would like to see his actual birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she present when he was, was she present when he was born in Kenya?
Ogombe to Sarah Obama: Alikuma zalima Obama [unintelligible].
Kweli Shuhudia: He is asking her, he wants to know something was ah she present when he was born?
Ogombe: Yes. She says, “Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born.”
Ron McRae: Okay.
Video proof Barack Obama was born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vru5pz2pwQ&ewQ
In another development Hawaii officials examined Barry’s birth certificate and confirmed it as genuine? What the hell does that mean? Did anyone examine it besides unreliable government officials? Did anyone compare it to the fake one posted on Obamalies.com (****)? Andy Martin asserts that it was his case that forced the government’s hand. A few days ago the stupid REPUBLICAN governor Linda Lingle said it had been sealed. Now they are verifying it. Which is it? They offered no real details in the MSM report. It’s like looking at a rock and saying, “Yes it’s rock.” We want to know what is on the original birth certificate and if it is different than the forged one posted by his campaign. In any case it proves that the one on **** is not the same and therefore they are lying. But we know that already. Until they compare it to the forged one that Obama’s campaign posted on **** then this proves nothing. They also did not confirm any information on the birth certificate, like his birth date, signing official, what name it was filed under, date applied for etc. A moron could see through this propaganda snow job by the Obama media. But not your averaged brain dead dummycrat.
This is a perfect example of the controlled press in a controlled country offering propaganda to a deceived population by a secret shadow government
He was selected with the help of anti america democrats and anti america republican! uh-
The woman Sarah Obama is not his grandmother. She is the co-wife of Obama’s grandmother. His grandmother left the family many years ago and I have never seen any pictures of her. I think she is dead.
bigoted scum
I was just listening to my answering machine.
Someone used Obama’s voice in a campaign ad supporting to strip the right to marry from their fellow citizens. It sounded like it was a clip from a debate or stump speech because there was applause after his response. Obama didn’t stand up for gays while he whined for months about being put upon for his race.
In the state they had an narrated by Samuel Jackson quoting past discrimatory laws which I thought were very effective. Guess I was wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-0xMrsyxE
I am thinking the same theory…
I have waited the past few days to hear the word on his grandmother’s funeral arrangements…NONE
He went to Hawaii..probably had a quick send off (without Michelle and the kids notice) and kept it hush and until the day before the election…Then cried huge crocodile tears in front of cameras after the news came out about his aunt and how he was going to bankrupt the coal industry.
I wouldn’t put it past this con-artist.
Do we have actual proof that she is deceased? I wouldn’t put it past him to use her as a sympathy vote!
Oh, please. Barry is probably happy that the last link to his white past is gone. He adopted a black persona late in life, simply because it was convenient for him to do so. Michelle provided Barry with the only black family he really has, and he doesn’t seem really close to his daughters.
Good luck getting a copy of the death certificate.
Ok so its not just me wondering when the funeral should be or ?????
From the news Obama has himself all tied up in meetings and press conferences clear through next week.
If there is to be a funeral that sure is a long long time to hold a body.
Baracks Mentor…Jeremiah Wright…sure sounds like a Bigot to me..
And barack believed in Black “Liberation” so much he soaked that racial hatred for White people up foor 20 Years..
Now hwe want to do a Sgt. Schultz routine..
I KNOW NOTHING..
How Convient…and Unbelievable..
If conservatives had supported John McCain, he would be POTUS now.
Instead they abandoned him and our nation. Next time a super religious conservative tries to tell you how patriotic they are, or how dedicated they are to “the unborn,” or how much they support the troops, ask them if they voted in 2008. If not, they are full of crap.
This is exactly what happened, bunny.
McCain lost because he ran a terrible campaign and couldn’t connect with rust belt voters and white working class in general.
To white working class factory workers he offered nothing but more of the same off-shoring and free-trade job killing crap that made their lives miserable.
He alienated other blue collar GOPers by not supporting secure borders and punishing those who hire illegals.
So true. Now the right wing base is attacking McCain for being such a “bad” candidate. Good grief. They are almost as bad as the loony left that have taken over the Democratic Party. I’m so sick of partisan ideologues.
Yet again, another perfect example of hypocrisy.
Just face facts, it’s the “ME” society. Everything is always about THEM.
And the Obots who wanted Prop 8 turned down are shocked, shocked I say that fellow Obama supporters wouldn’t help them out.
Pass the Popcorn Galt. It’s getting good.
I am still selling popcorn.
Extra large with double butter, please!
One night a few years ago when I was picking up a prescription at a pharmacy in the “Loop” in Chicago, an African-American retiree started calling the Asian-American pharmicist a “chink” because the pharmicist told him that his insurance would not cover the cost of the medicine which was over $600.00.
Well, I know Orwell has been referenced many times on NO QUARTER, but let me quote him one more time:
“All are equal. Some are more equal than others.”
I think it’s important to make a few distinctions. I think what makes people’s attitude bigoted is intent. Do they object to the person due to policy, ideas, friends, etc? Or just to his ethnicity? I’d say the first is not necessarily bigoted while the second clearly is.
Likewise, I think people might have objections to gay marriage that are not necessarily bigoted. Of course, there clearly are bigots.
I just want to leave room for people to disagree without always being called a bigot – as long as their reasoning comes from somewhere other than hate.
Having said that, I do agree there is much room for disappointment in the LGBT community by AAs celebrating “their” achievement in electing BO while voting against full cultural enfranchisement for another group. Unfortunately, what should seem highly ironic is just another example of human nature.
I just wish people would not necessarily assume a different opinion stems from bigotry, racism, etc. But if it does, then have at it.
i think discriminating against someone who is born a certain way, is bigotry.
I didn’t word it very well. I agree with you. If discrimination is based on something immutable about a person, it’s bigotry.
ok, i wasn’t sure if i was reading it how you meant, either. :O)
Well since I didn’t see “hope” and “change” as policy, I consider myself one of those people who didn’t like him based upon record, platform and moral fibre. If that’s bigotry, I’m good with it.
I also agree with you and tried to make that point earlier. Don’t think I did too good a job though! Ah well. More coffee!!!!!!!
We’re all bigoted in one way or another. Some is just more blatant than others.
Now the articles are coming out–all the Clinton people who will get appointments in Obie’s admin. because they deserted the Clintons and endorsed him. Sick.
Back in the early 90’s, I had an employee who got a deep cut on the job and needed some stitches while we were out of town in Kansas City. I spotted a clinic and took her in to see if they could stitch her. It was while waiting for her to get stitched that I noticed we were at a clinic that performed abortions.
I was approached by several men, one of them black. I took umbrage with all of them, saying that when they actually bear the same cost as a woman for child birth they get a say, until them they could mind their own business in my opinion.
But I took real offense with the black guy. I looked at him and told him that out of all the people who should get that this was about personal civil rights it should be him!
It was then I realized that the whole “I got mine” mind set was in play. Funny how meaningless other people’s freedoms and rights can become once you’ve gotten your own isn’t it! Gays are on their own. But inch by inch they are making real progress. We’ll see civil unions in short order. The more gay people come out of the closet with friends and family, they more those people realize it’s really about RIGHTS as an American citizen and a human being. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now that there’s a black man in the WH, all the entitlement programs for ethnic minorities need to be dismantled, the money can go toward the national debt. It is now apparent these people can be anything they want to be if they work had and have motivation.
Amen to that.
Very, very good point. Those black people with their hands out will be sorry that he won. They shot themselves in the foot over this.
Tek, your comments and similar ones I’ve heard recently never cease to amaze me. Seriously, is it your contention that because Obama won the election that racism magically disappeared over night? What… I’ll never have to worry about being pulled over for driving while black again? I’ll never get anxious looks when I step onto an elevator? I’ll never have someone make a bigoted or racist comment to me ever again??
Please…
we know that won’t happen.
but, i think we all need to realize that it is not just racism (white against black) that we have to *fix*. Sexism is still universally tolerated, and accepted. And so is bigotry towards gays.
No one is free from hatred, and bigotry. It is not just a *black* problem. And more people need to realize that.
Luv ya SaraInItaly!!!!
Brave post you wrote; good job.
-d
howdy d!
how you doin?
True, and it’s not just “racism (white against black)” it’s racism period.
Though I think even without the pending legal challenges Prop 8 will fall soon. The majority of those who voted for it, regardless of race were of an older demographic. Younger voters were much more supportive and less bigoted.
Anyway, since I did a quick scan, rather than a full read before commenting, I’ll apologize for jumping to conclusions.
That happens…but so what? There are also whites who get the same view depending on how they’re dressed/clean shaven, etc.
When you start campaigning to have urban young blacks and whites stop wearing their pants down, and encourage other black folk to stop calling OTHER BLACK FOLK who vote their conscience, or ’speak proper’ Uncle Toms, or SELLOUTS then please feel free to whine.
Seriously, as a gay person, wha wha whaaaa.
Here’s the thing, Kevin. People think that those who experience discrimination such as you speak of should be sensitive to when similar things happen to others: gays, women, jews, etc, etc.
Given our nation’s history and the efforts of AAs over the years to get full enfranchisement, other groups discriminated against probably expect some understanding. So, when AAs celebrate BO in the WH and simultaneously vote in droves to limit the rights of others, it is at least deeply ironic and maddening.
Same for women. The woman hate has been extreme at all levels – and some coming from the AA community toward HRC and Sarah Palin.
So, while I seriously doubt DWB will be ending anytime soon, it might be that people will care less as they work on getting their own rights recognized.
Maybe not for you. You’ll have to change certain statistics first.
But for better or worse a lot of us bleeding heart liberals are bleeding just a little less and saying you’re on your own now.
Sorry, that’s the reality this election has brought about.
EXACTLY!
The quickness with which “african americans” as a voting group threw Bill and Hillary into the trash can has D I S G U S T E D me.
I always treat people how they treat me on an individual basis, but let me tell ya…the ease with which the black folk in power have slandered two fine civil rights, MLK marching white DEMS I will NEVER forgive.
Frankly that’s what scares me.
Blood is thicker than water.
Melanin is more important than character.
First, it’s silly to pretend that systemic inequalities in American society have vanished in the space of two days because one exceptionally talented, hard-working, and yes, lucky African-American man has attained the nation’s highest office.
But second, there is no such thing as an “entitlement progra[m] for ethnic minorities.” All entitlement programs, such as TANF (Welfare), Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are open to all Americans of the requisite characteristics (poverty in the former two cases, and age in the latter two). Race doesn’t come into it. Federal affirmative action programs were struck down by the Supreme Court 13 years ago. So what programs, specifically, are you referring to here?
that is true, they are open to all Americans. However, if I am not mistaken, they were created to grant reparations to African Americans.
Certainly not Social Security or Medicare. You could argue that Lyndon Johnson’s goal during the Great Society era, when Welfare and Medicaid were created, was to ameliorate the impoverished conditions of inner-city blacks. But that’s pretty far away from reparations (at least in the usual sense of reparations for slavery), in that it was aimed at addressing a current social program (poverty and lack of health care), and not at making up for anything that had happened a century prior. Now, of course, the reasons why African-Americans are disproportionately poor do trace back to slavery and Jim Crow, but acknowledging that doesn’t transform a race-neutral entitlement program into a special benefit for African-Americans, in my opinion.
anon21,
here’s one
http://www.harvardlawreview.org/membership.shtml
It’s not federally mandated, no…but with the fact a ‘black’ person has obtained the highest office in the land, sorry, you’re whining.
Anytime you take a more qualifed person (i.e. Hillary) and decide who gets delegates based on EXIT polls, call for her to leave the race even though her popular vote is EQUAL to or greater, in favor of a less qualifed black person…that’s affirmative action.
Fuck ya
This is pretty ridiculous stuff. We both know that delegates were apportioned based on votes from the states and the decisions of superdelegates, not based on exit polls. In the case of Florida and Michigan, no candidate was entitled to a single delegate from those unsanctioned primaries, and although the basis for the committee’s decision was a little kooky, no reasonable decision it could have made would have given Hillary the nomination.
But I think re-fighting the primary wars now, when Obama has already been elected President, is pointless, and I also think it’s absurd to suggest the resolution of the FL/MI delegate controversy had anything to do with Obama’s race. So I won’t discuss this further with you.
You won’t discuss it, because you’re as uninformed as Wexler who was a self-purported “voting rights champion” who wasn’t even fucking clear on the term ‘fair reflection’ rooted in the CHARTER OF HIS OWN GODDAMN PARTY!
Did you watch the whole RBC meeting on that Saturday? I did.
Anon is a dillweed…
He admits himself the “basis for the decision was a little kooky”.
DuuuuuuuuhhHH!
Affirmative action is not always based on race, is it? NOooo.
Of course if you weren’t to HYPERSENSITIVE to it, as I alluded earlier, you’d realize that.
The issue is a more qualified candidate is passed over to satisfy a quota. This year’s quota was decided by a corrupt party..my ex-party.
Anyone telling me they approve of uhbama’s racebaiting as a political tool, is a douchebag. Anyone tell me he and his campaign DIDN’T do that, I can provide link after link showing how it played out…all sourced, from Liberal blogs.
And DUHHHHH the whole point of uhbama’s election was based on ‘transformation’.
If not equaling this ‘transformative’ experience to “less racism” therefore less need for black distinction and sensitivity, WHAT FUCKING TRANSFORMATION were you uhbamaBushbots blabbing about?
Good — now go away.
O-butts go away.
and sorry there “Anon” but the brainwashing that “liberal” institutions implemented during affirmative action at its peak has conditioned anyone and everyone to call “racism” when just the words white or black are mentioned in the same sentence.
Sometimes things are just what they are.
For instance, if a white person who is generally an asshole is rude to a hypsensitive black person, it’s like..O MI GOD! He’s a RAAAACIST because he called me a jerk! blah blah blah…But an asshole is just an asshole; equal opportunity prick.
Everyone has their demons that’s just a fact of life. When a black dude can reach the Presidency, it WILL be imprinted in the national psyche that the old days of lynching are waaaay back in some forgotten past.
There will be no more justification for hypersensitivity, and any ‘complaining’ will be taken less seriously. And both people who lynched Palin’s and Uhbama’s effigies will be arrested; not just the people who did it to Uhbama’s image. Equal? yea.
Does that mean we can do away with Black pageants, Black colleges, the NAACP, and etc.
Those are freely-chosen associations of citizens. Presumably, the people who participate in such institutions will decide for themselves if they want to “do away” with them or not. I can’t see what it has to do with federal entitlement programs either way.
All those institutions are struggling right now. And that’s a direct result of greater opportunity in the wider society. Will they become irrelevant or serve a different need?
It will be interesting from a societal perspective, to see how this goes.
I wonder what would happen if we had a White Miss America, White College Fund etc.
“It is now apparent these people can be anything they want to be if they work had and have motivation.” And if the fix is in, Chicago-style.
i agree with tek. all we hear is racism. i WANT THE DAMN COUNTRIES PROBLEMS SOLVED SO WE CAN LIVE IN PEACE TOGETHER. AA’S WHO THINK THEY ARE SPECIAL AND HAVE SPECIAL RIGHTS ARE WAY OFF BASE. NO REPARATIONS NOW OR EVER. WORK FOR YOUR MONEY THE SAME AS THE REST OF US.
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of?id=2018399%3ABlogPost%3A12595&page=1#comments
Theory:
Obama is the son of Malcolm X
Anne D. might not be his mother either.
A really good read if You are into this kind of thing.
I postwed this earlier, but thought it got lost.
Sorry, I did not want to start two discussions.
Okay, as soon as I heard that AA’s voted for Prop 8 the first thing I thought about was the religious component to this propostiiton–a marriage is between a man and a women right? Well, I work in an inner city hospital where marriage between mothers and fathers is practically non-existent regardless of the amount of children produced. So this is the height of hypocrisy–why don’t people look at their own lives and how messed up it is to have 3 or 4 kids by the time you’re 20 and the father is nowhere in sight. And they have a right to judge others? This is twilight zone but I can see that BO played this card to get votes just like he plays everything. My daughter was talking about joining the military and I told her ‘Never’ as long as that Chicago thug would be your commander-in-chief. What a joke this all is–remember what MLK said “judge a man not by his color but by the content of his character.” Well, a little less than half the people in the U.S did just that.
Your focus on the “bigotry of african americans” regarding Prop 8 is very telling – as if they were the only ones who voted against it.
I don’t think that’s the point, Kevin. The point is that discrimination is discrimination — and if you’re going to yell it from the rooftops, “Hey I’m being discriminated against” then you ought to have an increased sensibility about discriminating against other groups.
He only uses any discussion involving “race” to score points against the blog. He is playing the race card.
point taken and one I agree with (the sensitivity). But then again, I constantly point out to AA religious zealots that the very religion they tout was once used to justify oppressing them.
The only thing telling is the tired old script that anything negative is automatically “racism.” There you go again you have become the racist. The discussion will go on without you thankfully. Keeping any bigotry hidden is no way to end it.
so tell me at what point in time I called anyone racist? get a grip.
Yes, discrimination is discrimination – pointing out the irony of the night black man elected president on the same night that 70% of AAs who voted on Prop 8, voted in support of discrimination – definitely worth talking about – but framing the entire thing as somehow being solely the fault of or machinations of African Americans is silly.
Just not as silly as your accusation. But thanks for being consistent.
You are “smart” enough not to play the race card directly.
You have points too, Kevin. But welcome to the world of having to prove you’re NOT a bigot from the jump.
If large numbers of AAs voted to DISENFRANCHISE another group (like Prop
then they should be prepared to be called bigots.
Or at least prove they aren’t.
That’s the way it works for lots of whites – always having to prove you’re not a racist, no matter what.
Its also why more and more whites are tuning out the “racist”, “Nazi” and “bigot” labels when they are shouted out by snotty liberals and Democratic activists in order to threaten and bully people to vote their way.
Your focus on the “bigotry of african americans” regarding Prop 8 is very telling
No where in that post does it say “bigotry of african americans” but in your comment you have it in quotes. Now when the facts are added up it does show “bigotry of african americans.” But again nowhere in that post does it say what you have in quotes.
From the main post above:
Exit poll data showed seven in 10 black voters and more than half of Latino voters backed the ballot initiative, while whites and Asians were split.”
That sir is bigotry. And you trying to ignore that is very telling.
Yep ignore that and pull the damn tired old race card to score points against the blog. Barf!
The were the biggest group for it with 70%. Majority of white were against it and asians &latinas were split.
CNN’s exit poll numbers:
White (63% of the vote) = 49% yes, 51% no
African American (10% of the vote)= 70% yes, 30% no
Latino (18% of the vote) = 53% yes, 47% no
Asian (6% of the vote) = 49% yes, 51% no
Other (3% of the vote) = 51% yes, 49% no
They voted FOR Prop. 8. That is the point. The conclusion being drawn is discrimination against African Americans is bad; discrimination against gays is fine for those voters.
RITAMARY… YOU ARE SO RIGHT. AA THINGS THAT THEY ARE SOME SPECJAL PEOPLE, AND THEY ARE NOT, I AM SURE THAT GAY PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER THIS VOTING RESULTS, AND IT WILL COME ONE DAY, TO GET EVEN. BLACK AND LATINOS CARE ONLY ABOUT THEM SELFS, AND NOW TIME COMES TO DO JUST THE SAME. SELFISH AND EGOISTIC MENTALITY OF AA AND LATINOS WILL BE REMEMBER!!!!!!! WE WILL NEVER DEFEND YOU AND FIGHT FOR YOU , EVER….
The real problem with people voting for “O” who really weren’t thinking is this: “O’” campaign was based on being everything for everyone. He could never really explain any of his stances. He could change his opinion at will. He avoided real debate so he couldn’t be held to a position. He’s basically a brand, as Dr. Long pointed out. He’s the Hopey, Dopey, Changey brand and everyone wanted a fix.
I am very disgusted at the Repubs who could not support an honorable man from their own party. We Democrats for Principle Before Party, we PUMAs made the leap for our country. The Repubs who threw their candidate under the bus just because he wouldn’t tell them they were right for their one-issue concern, will have to deal with what they got. But if they think I would every swing their way, they’re crazy. That party didn’t deserve McCain, a true American hero.
I agree. I turned on Glenn Beck and Mark Levin on the radio yesterday. Both BASHING John McCain, calling him a RINO, going on and on about it.
The man was a better fiscal conservative, and knows 100X more about the military, has a 100% anti-abortion voting record, it goes on and on.
And the same behavior is being repeated over and over on talk radio and on conservative blogs.
These people have bludgeoned social moderate republicans about abortion for 30 + years, and now they show how concerned they are about “the unborn” by helping to elect the most radical pro-abortion candidate ever.
They have lost my willingness to ever listen to their suggestions, or their programs, or their opinions ever again.
“I turned on Glenn Beck and Mark Levin on the radio yesterday. Both BASHING John McCain, calling him a RINO, going on and on about it.”
If I were John McCain, I would take that as a compliment.
Beck is and has always been a moron.
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, they are very influential with enough GOP voters that their feelings about McCain cost him the election.
I listened to Limbaugh a couple weeks ago…and he was mocking John McCain, and calling him Yosemite Sam after he played part of one of his speeches.
The content of the speech? Naming Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd as two guys who should be investigated for their role in the financial meltdown.
Basically conservatives who refused to vote for or support John McCain voted against any accountability for Dodd and Frank and the rest of the criminals who did this to our economy.
And they voted to put Barack Obama in charge of our military during a time of war.
Not exactly patriots, are they? They let their long held personal animus for a war hero and patriot poison their audience….these talk radio people and conservative media stars like Michelle Malkin suppressed GOP support for John McCain and handed the White House to Barack Obama.
As a military spouse, I will never forget it.
A fair rap, although of course we have no way of knowing whether the people quoted for that story would have voted for a Prop. 8-style measure where they lived. But yes, the defeat of Prop. 8 was truly heartbreaking, and proof positive that some types of bigotry and still alive and well in America today. I was slightly encouraged by the narrow margin of the vote, however, and I have high hopes that there will soon come a day when gay men and lesbians will be accorded full rights as equal citizens by popular majorities in some of our more progressive states.
Thank you American Girl. You are right on! I was channel surfing late last night and came across Charlie Rose on PBS. He was talking to John Meacham and Evan Thomas. They were discussing the Obama campaign. Evan Thomas was saying how Obama was adamant about keeping the issue of race out of it—that he didn’t want to do anything to offend white people. I sat there with my mouth hanging open. Say what?…kept race out of it. You have got to be on drugs dude. Obama made it completely about race. Obama kept bringing up the fact that he didn’t look like the guys on the money. His surrogates made a point to call everyone a racist. He treated Hillary like yesterday’s trash. Why gays, lesbians or women, in general, would vote for him is beyond me. I am certain he also has contempt for whites, but knew he needed them to win and still needs them to help him run his administration.
Do you think affirmative action and race preferences will now be repealed as laws since a person who is half African is president? It will interesting to see how they handle issues like the nasty gangsta rap and the general welfare of women and children.
I see this happen all the time and we all have seen it too: Obama is “color sensitive” and will support Muslim groups but that’s where the buck stops.
Gender equality, equality in other areas – forget it
thank you for the courageous post. I am sick of the victimology bullshit. If you aren’t successful it is no one’s fault by your own. Shit or get off the pot. And if you do not lead a life of integrity, you will never, ever get anywhere no matter how many welfare checks the government gives you-EVER. A black president is not going to change that either.
ciao! :OD
Black Americans (most) turned on the Clintons – sanctioning Barack’s campaign of misogyny, race-baiting, and foul smears of both Bill and Hillary.
After that stab in the back of the Clintons, don’t count on Blacks to look out for anyone but themselves. And don’t ever be surprised – they will drop your concerns in a New York second.
Note: the preceding comment does in no way seek to diminish the historic, nor present day suffering of African Americans.
After that stab in the back of the Clintons, don’t count on Blacks to look out for anyone but themselves. And don’t ever be surprised – they will drop your concerns in a New York second.
That is spot on and that is why I will now look out for me and mine ONLY. No more charity from this white woman. I’m done. They hate me after everything I have done for them in my lifetime? screw ‘em.
I must thank Racist Rev. Wright for opening my eyes though! Honestly….. At first I was CRUSHED, heartbroken, hurt beyond words to know how the AA community felt about white people and Jews. Really. I guess I was just naive! Made a FOOL OF. Now? I’m just pissed. They can fend for themselves. They can call BO, racist Rev. Wright, Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson and let them see what they get. This typical white woman is finished helping the AA community. NO MORE. Nada. Zip. Zilch. ZERO from me.
I understand that it’s not the entire AA community that hates whites and Jews (I think…could be wrong on that too though!), but how am I suppose to ferret out those who don’t? I can’t and won’t. Besides that, they would never admit they hate me just to get their charity. I’m onto them now. Unfortunately for them ALL, no one gets a dime from me because of those who DO hate me. Such is life.
I’ve taken a page from THEIR playbook….support your own, always, for everything and any reason NO MATTER WHAT. I understand now, so that’s what I will do…support “my own”…..ONLY.
“I understand that it’s not the entire AA community that hates whites and Jews (I think…could be wrong on that too though!), but how am I suppose to ferret out those who don’t? I can’t and won’t. Besides that, they would never admit they hate me just to get their charity. I’m onto them now. Unfortunately for them ALL, no one gets a dime from me because of those who DO hate me. Such is life.”
Wow… so it’s easier for you to just hate an entire group of people because of the ignorance of a few?
“I’ve taken a page from THEIR playbook….support your own, always, for everything and any reason NO MATTER WHAT. I understand now, so that’s what I will do…support “my own”…..ONLY.”
Ummm if there were a playbook that stated what you suppose – then Alan Keyes, Michael Steele and any other AA who ran for office regardless of party or policies would win… and we know that hasn’t happened.
Sounds like a lot of rationalization to get where you already are. But hey, at least you’re honest about it (somewhat)
This from Kevin, a member of the new Bros b/4 Hos Party.
Give it up, Kevin…and get lost.
It’s time Whites have their own “White Values System” – the Blacks have theirs; let’s have OURS. I, too, was stunned to hear the cursing and the hate filled words that flew out of Wright’s mouth; I never REALIZED that Blacks HATED Whites and Jews THAT much.
I’ve always treated EVERYBODY the way I want to be treated; I guess if you don’t feel hate you’re not aware of those who REALLY DO hate. Boy, Obama, MEchelle and Wright sure opened this White woman’s – and her WHOLE family’s – eyes! And how! I view Blacks differently now; I wonder to myself…”hmmmm, I wonder if he/she hates me. Does he/she attend a church like Wright’s”?
THANKS OBAMA for the wake-up call!
The only way this election could have been seen to transcend race would have been if race had not been an issue in any manner. When a candidate and/or his supporters start ranting about racism, and thereby make the election about race, any transcendence is eradicated.
If this election were about race, and the purpose was to finally elect a minority to the white house, well, I could have come up with several other african americans who were qualified, experienced and well known that could have fit that bill. Barack Obama wouldn’t have made my short list.
Then, as this post suggests, is the question of exactly what bigotry is acceptable. When minorities show their own bigotry – and even their own racism – then there is no indication that progress has been made, despite the election of the first black man to the presidency.
I believe this election has actually eradicated a great amount of progress that has been made in the last 30 years and pushed us back in regards to race relations rather than lift us up and out of racial inequities.
I was raised by a father who was a product of the depression south. And to my dismay he held very bigoted ideas. I fought all of my life with him over it. I never could understand his feelings. I raised my daughter the best I could to understand that the color of a persons skin, their religion, their ethicity nor their sexual preferences were reasons to dislike another person.
I cannot convey the hurt that I have felt at the words of Obama supporters who labled me a racist at every turn of the page.
** and let me also clarify, not only to not dislike but that those are also not reasons for others to be treated unfairly, either by individuals, communities, employers or laws.
I was trying to shorten my comments and didn’t want to mislead in my post that I thought “dislike” was all that was involved in bigotry.
Y’all know what? Considering that McCain lost, I’m actually pretty upbeat today…I thought I was going to go into a funk so deep I’d never want to come to a political blog again…but couldn’t stay away from NQ! It pleases me to no end to see all of the active comments here and I’m looking forward to keeping an eye on every move BO makes during the next four years. This place sure feels like home to me now
And yes, being a native Southerner (the great state of Georgia), I know that many AAs have a strong and rather fundamentalist religious faith…a faith that IMHO they erroneously believe gives them a mandate to oppose any legitimization of GLBT peoples. I believe that the majority of AAs resent race being put in the same category as sexual orientation, as they believe that it’s only a “lifestyle” choice and not a biological mandate.
“lifestyle” choice argument is a convenient excuse used by homophobes. There is no choice involved in most obviously.
Yes, I agree Galt…that in nearly 100% of cases, sexual orientation is biologically determined and is NOT a question of choice. I was only pointing out that I believe that many people still believe that it’s a matter of deciding which way you want to go…
I thought my “obviously” was clear that I knew you agreed with me.
I agree, while my emotions are still a bit raw NQ is a safe, sane haven w intelligent and funny posts.
I wish the trolls would just leave us alone though. Are you listening Kevin?
The people who claim to be about equality usually are the biggest bigots and hypocrites there are. I have never understood why some people will be insistent on people agreeing w them all the while not respecting the views of others. It is one of the highest forms of disrespect.
He hears but never listens.
trolls = bigots & sexist pigs
I can never forgive nor forget all the vile things that were said and done to Sarah Palin by the so called liberals.
The trolls who call themselves liberals and seem to be monitoring this discussion for political correctness are sexist fools — you creeps are discredited from being part of the human race. You trolls are some sort of sub-human life form. Drinking the koolaid has removed the critical thinking and empathy from your DNA.
They’re Pod Dems.
NW Rain, I wonder if I can ever forgive the DNC for what they did to Hillary and then to Sarah and then to rank and file Dems, and then to LGBTs, and then to all women. Trouble is I wonder if I can forgive (certainly not forget) my own family (siblings and their spouses and children and my parents) for supporting this whole election process. To me, this election was a referendum on women and women’s equality (something I’ve worked for and championed all my adult life along with all the other rights I’ve worked for) and women lost. We were very clearly judged not worthy of equality – again.
That just makes those who believe that (being gay is a lifestyle choice) to be both stupid and bigoted.
How come there are so many Clinton people names being called for this new Obama administration. Did Obama not say he wanted a new Washington and it was time to get rid of the Clinton?
Personally, I think that’s his way of trying to suck up to Hillary dems that he lost.
I, for one, am not swallowing the hook.
Nahhhh, he’s throwing the lefties under the bus officially while he moves to support the same right wing corporate interests in DC.
He’s already lowering expectations in his victory speech ( “The road ahead will be long…We may not get there in one year or even one term…There are many who won’t agree with every decision or policy I make as president, and we know that government can’t solve every problem.”)
Choosing Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff just underscores where he’ll be going. Emanual broke ranks with other IL politicians and enthusiatically supported Bush’s Iraq war and is a leading member of the DLC.
“We may not get there in one year or even one term…” Obama is gearing up to run for his second term. Just like he spent all his time in the Senate running for president. Remember he said he was too busy running for president to call meetings of the subcommittee he chaired? Running for office is what he does.
He’ll be running for Emperor of the World next.
Ja, but he will not be elected.
No white guilt vote, and we have had our share of dictators.
Experience counts also for voters.
No. He is not sucking up. These former Clintonites were working in his campaign from the start. Others climbed on the boat as the primary season progressed. Lastly Carville and Begala, came over after Clinton suspended her campaign. What I depise about the last two traitors who were once my favorite political guys is that they smeared Palin unmercifully. Can’t stand them now.
What I find HILARIOUS is RAHM EMANUEL! HE voted for the IWR! He supported the illegal invasion! Wasn’t Hillary too dangerous to be in the WH because she didn’t have the good sense to vote against the illegal invasion?????Now Rahm Emanuel will be the CHIEF OF STAFF?????? Damn hypocrites!
He’s trying to appease the Hillary Clinton and/or PUMA supporters. He’s already working towards his second term and thinks by electing previous Clinton people, he’ll have a good, head start in winning.
This deserves a thorough explanation. See what you think, is Sharia Law on its way here or what?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/04/treasury-submits-to-shariah/
Now that was a strange article — nowhere did the author explain exactly what “submit to shariah” means. Does that mean that women can do longer get loans from banks that are Government financed?
I had to snicker everytime I walked by the Obamacus table in downtown SF and saw his LGBTs for Obama buttons. Talk about being bamboozeled.
Yes, I have many L&G friends who voted for him…they just swallowed his tripe hook, line and sinker. I tried my best to warn them, but of course they just covered their ears.
I know what you mean. I’m in downtown SF/ Union Square quite often due to a umm, shopping avocation, and I often smiled at them whenever I pass by those tables set up by Market Street. They were so clueless that it was rather comical. Clueless in thinking that all of a sudden AAs were going to become culturally progressive for gay rights.
What LGBT community should be doing now is blaming Obama for not reminding AAs to think about the consequences of voting for Prop 8, and their own history as a people kept down by discrimination.
Wouldn’t the local paper there in Hawaii have his grandmother’s information in their obituary section? I wonder if it is.
I’m sure there’s a way to get a BOGUS obit in a paper for the future prez…in a paper in his home state. Easy peasy for Axelrove.
Should be easy for Alexrod to ‘correct’, but the question is…did he? Typically a death announcement (if not the obituary itself) would have appeared Tuesday or yesterday. I can understand with being named President-elect how Obama would not have time to fashion an obituary, but there were other families too who could have taken on that responsibility and set up the service. Any news on Obama planning another trip to Hawaii soon for that?
BO’s half sister was supposedly with granny when she died. She would have taken care of the obituary, I would think.
One would think her obituary could be found online at the Hawaiian newspaper web site. Most papers are online now too…even my tiny little local paper is online. If she really died, there should be an obituary somewhere. I’m surprised this wasn’t brought up after BO said she died and I’m surprised people aren’t asking WHY he’s not attending her funeral. Eh, typical press. They know he lied and are letting him slide…AGAIN.
I think she’s either still alive and they have hidden her so no one can ask her about his birth certificate OR she died when he made the trip back to Hawaii and she’s already been buried.
Now begins the new age of accountability for African-Americans. There will be no more “you owe me because….”. The face of the new President will be their face. It’s about time that the immigrant mantra is repeated in their communities, work hard, get a good education and you can succeed and earn what you want.
There will be no more resentment tolerated for coveting what others have earned through hard work.
We would have hoped that the struggle and the hard times that so many often whined about would have taught some compassion and tolerance for others but it has not.
The day has come when white people have the option to throw it back up to a complaining black: “you should have tried harder, studied harder and stopped blaming me for what you lack, I don’t owe you. This is a free country and you made your own choices.”
Not according to Al Sharpton. BO being elected prez is “just the beginning” for AAs. So he stated on Fox and Friends this morning. Don’t think for one minute that this will be enough. Everything will never be enough for them. EVER.
nope, you’re right, it won’t be.
sharpton and his ilk make their living from racism and not having enough. they are permanent victims and that’s not going to change. hell the good rev might have to preach or something like that for a living. naw, they get more by carrying on and it won’t stop. frankly, i am sick of it. i have lost what sympathy i had. and if you think i am alone in those feelings, think again.
good point stodgie
Why oh why do the news people keep on fawning over Al Frickin Sharpton, a man with a 2nd grade education, who talks like he fell off a turnip truck and got a turnip stuck up his black ass. Jeezus, get rid of him! And fire Geraldo or whatever other news talk buttholes keep him on TV.
I think all the white people – ESPECIALLY the rich, successful, famous and important people – who voted for Obama – hand over their jobs and/or possessions to all the blacks in this country. Gosh, even then, they wouldn’t be satisfied.
thanks for a great post, american girl!!!
Google — Women Against Shariah
womenagainstshariah (dot) blogspot (dot) com
here’s a sidebar from the above blog historical note on Islam and slavery — and another perspective about O-zero’s share the wealth comment:
Islam permits the taking of slaves as “booty” or as a reward for waging jihad. Slavery became a Muslim tradition at the time that Mohammed moved to Medina and amassed sufficient power for the enslavement of non-Muslims.
Slavery is an accepted part of Islamic society and is never viewed in a negative way in the Koran, Sira or Hadith. In fact, it is a God-given right for Muslims to have slaves.
[6:7] Allah has given more of His gifts of material things to some rather than others. In the same manner, those who have more do not give an equal share to their slaves so that they would share equally. Would they then deny the favors of Allah.
More from the same source this is an article about Shariah law in the UK:
It is extraordinary that a government which has made such a fetish of its commitment to equality should be creating a legal system which enshrines open discrimination against women. For, like the rest of Islamic culture, sharia is profoundly misogynistic with women treated as second-class citizens in everything from child custody to inheritance.
Thanks to political correctness, there has been a reluctance to tackle the oppression of women by Muslim men.
According to a recent report from the Association of Chief Police Officers, no fewer than 17,000 women are subjected to Islamic honour-related violence in Britain every year, including assault, kidnappings, beatings and even murder.
It is outrageous that instead of tackling this outrage, the Government wants to encourage it by promoting sharia courts where women are put under savage pressure by husbands, families and the male-dominated community elders. The legal system should provide protection to the vulnerable, not reinforce the power of the bullies.
There’s more about Creeping Shariah in the UK:
Brown said the spread of fundamentalism in Britain had been sparked by massive donations coming from Saudi Arabia to fund religious schools and mosques.
“One of the reasons that political Islam has been so successful in this country is because it’s awash with Saudi money,” he said. “They have been spent literally billions.”
Uppity Woman is absolutely correct in her concern about the world wide mistreatment of women and how it can certainly come to America.
The Prez-elect hates women — this is a fact. And I believe it goes back to his childhood in Indonesia — women have a less than human status under the Shariah law.
So O-zero blurts out the now infamous “spread the wealth” remark to Joe the Plumber. His remark is part of Islam — as well as socialistic and communistic.
Then we have the blatant misogyny from the O-zero campaign — Hillary Clinton got the full treatment — followed by Sarah Palin.
Message — women are to be disrespect and taught to accept their place — which is to be subservient to men. Then the dumb ass so called feminists fall right in line and slam the uppity Sarah Palin.
We already know that during Obama’s youngest, impressionable and formative years he was in Indonesia. He has admitted that that is where he spent from age 2 to age 10. In psychology we know that during these years is when the bulk of social/cultural learning occurs.
Obama chooses a Black Liberation Theology church which has ties to the Black Panthers of the 1960 and the Black power movement. These groups were anti-MLK — they did not follow MLK’s teachings nor believe in his basic non-violence philosophy. Also these Black liberation movements were also allied with the Black Muslim movement.
So we know about Obama’s early childhood — and know where he went to school. THEN there is a whole period of his life that is a black– and this is the period in his life — where his adult core personality and belief system is formed.
To ask questions about this period — is called racist.
Oh my god — ok I’m now going to wear a tin-foil hat.
We need to know a whole lot more about Shariah law — how can applying Shariah law by the US Treasury department contaminate all of our lives?
This is real — this is not a wild eyed theory — it is happening now in the UK — funded by Saudi money.
Follow the money — who or what funded Obama’s campaign. WE MUST HAVE THIS INFORMATION!!
Follow the money.
this is so true. I find it ironic, because as a gay man, I heard many of my gay fellow democrats talk about how with Obama turn out, this ban wouldn’t happen. It seems that unity only applies to black and white heterosexuals.
Marriage, gay or otherwise hasn’t been something African Americans have clung to in the past. Maybe they’ve, as the article points out, just too many other problems and that may change as they raise their self esteem. We know that the prison population is far too disproportionately black.
Be that as it may, Prop. 8, if you read it “protects children from being taught in public schools that same sex marriage is the same as traditional marriage.” It does nothing to prohibit or attack gay lifestyle. Laws already exist protecting all of us from human rights violations and harrassment.
The idea that government is more and more interferring in my life is exemplified in this successful attempt to overturn liberal judges who disregarded the original people’s vote of 61% in the year 2000.
Prop. 8 is in no way bigotry. It’s just about letting children grow up without this agenda. To sum up, it IS about equality. Equality of respect to school age children and their parents. The issue doesn’t belong in the classroom.
The AA community always preaches about trying to end racism in America, but they are the biggest users of racism in America. They keep it alive. They use it at every turn. If you don’t vote the way they do, if you don’t support the things they support, if you don’t believe their every word, you are a racist. They play the race card at every turn. That is what got Obama elected. Nobody could say anything without them crying racism, and them threating to boycot.
Sad to say, there will always be racism now. For sure!! They got it, now….ten fold.
Respect is earned, not given. You can’t earn it if you don’t live your life with integrity, make your own way and treat others w kindness. In other words, “you reap what you sow”. If someone’s life is not what they want it to be, they have no one to blame but themselves. When you constantly draw attention to the color of your skin, than that is all other people will see too.
that’s all they’ve got. obama can’t and won’t do anything special for them. sure some will get jobs in the administation but hell they would have with hillary. bill was very good about that. naw that lady waiting for her mortgage to be paid is going to be visited by the sheriff with a eviction notice if she doesn’t pay it herself.
the dems are all about the corporations just like the repubs. that is their source of money. obama is not going bring in a bunch of lefties. most of the dems elected are blue dogs not lefties.
kos was trying to say today that now america is left of center. A COLD DAY IN HELL, KOS!
What part of “I don’t support gay marriage” when Obama said it do people not understand. He is down with Blacks being treated fairly but not Gays. As I said before. When your Gay friends start to complain tell them its thier own damn fault.
You learn a lot about someone by how they handle power. And then you Remember.
This is not only ironic, but very sad.
Black people don’t want to be treated equal, they want to be treated better. They are misguided thinking that is going to right past wrongs. Not forgiving wrongs only hurts the person who won’t forgive. It also holds a person back.
Barack Obama cannot heal the world or anything else. That is up to each individual person. If more people would rely on a spiritual source to guide their lives instead of the government, they would see a positive difference. But until they do, they will keep swirling around in the whirlpool of poverty and playing the victim.
when the average american gets a belly full of this racism bull while our country suffers, katy bar the door. americans are very slow to change and alter their views, but when they do they don’t go back. it just doesn’t happen. many americans have had this racism thrown at them for months and now we are supposed to listen to even more strident voices. like hell we will.
But the thing IS, many HAVE depended on a spiritual source to guide their lives…..racist Rev. Wright and preachers just like him. Things will NEVER change. I know that now.
Some AAs will never let go of using slavery and past discriminations as crutches or as ways to explain the accepted prevalence of crime, out of wedlock births, and welfare reliance within the AA community. This legacy of victimhood is passed onto younger AAs and future generations. It then becomes almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I had worked at many large, urban children’s hospitals across the country where the norm is AA single mother in her 20s with fiver or more kids all by different baby daddies. These moms would take advantage of our units by stealing diapers, food, and linens. Many occasions RNs were verbally threatened or abused if we ever try to ask them not to take our supplies. Philly was the worst for me in terms of child abuse, I have never ever seen as many patients in the hospital as a result of physical abuse and neglect. What’s sad is that these mothers would just keep churning out these drug-addicted babies year after year.
I would talk to these mothers and families and try to see where they were coming from. Many times they weren’t very reflective about how to improve their lives, but there were a lot of blaming. Blaming on the government for not giving enough food stamps or welfare checks. Blaming on the baby daddies who don’t want to support them. Blaming the state government for not giving their disabled kids (often from mothers’ own drug/ alcohol abuse) enough disability benefits/ money every month. I finally got fed up and left because it was just too depressing. Prior to my time working as a RN at large, urban children’s hospitals, I had a very liberal social outlook. After five years of this, my whole worldview had changed into an independent/ libertarian one. Government cannot solve problems related to people’s laziness, ignorance, and unwillingness to help themselves.
I dare anyone to call me a racist. Try working at an inner-city hospital for a few years and get back to me then.
I started at a county hospital, in pediatrics. We had borders in those days, babies that had been abandoned and were growing up in the hospital because they were disabled and their single mother couldn’t cope.
Your first paragraph sums it up, about the trained victimhood outlook. There’s another thing I see in that. It’s been a puzzle in public health why there are disproportionate number of low birth weight and other neonatal problems among blacks. Every variable has been pursued. The other day I glanced at some journal headline about depressed mothers having LBW babies and I had this vision of enough chronically depressed victim mothers in the AA population to skew the whole AA picture. Of course depression has also been considered, but not afaik depression as a cultural trait.
That should be “boarders,” as in room and board, not “borders.”
I worked with AAs that no intention of ever bettering themselves or getting off the welfare rolls. They would enroll in training for three weeks, create a health problem or a slip and fall, and stay on welfare.
Worked with families that had kids 4-5 years apart. The state welfare system let them stay on until the youngest child was six…so little miss or mister career welfare insurance would come along just at the right time.
Several of the children that are now adults are lifers in prison for the usual, murder, rape, etc.
When crazy Rev. Manning said AAs need to clean up their act he meant it.
I know many of you are just trying to make a point – but please consider how unfair it is to deride animal welfare progress just because we didn’t get the human rights to which we feel entitled.
I think we can value animals at the same time we value ourselves. It’s not an either-or situation.
We are responsible for the animals in our “care” – and this Prop 2 was THE LEAST we could do for those poor animals.
I find it staggering that prop 8 passed. I don’t know a single person who would’ve voted for this
bigotry – and I’m sickened that it will be written into the state constitution. We got shafted in this election – WOMEN and the GLBT community most of all.
Rather a broad stroke for you to speak for “all women”, my opinion.
I love chickens, too, and I’m thrilled that they’ll have a better quality of life, but come on…
I know there were many who voted for Prop 8, but the blacks who voted for it are HYPOCRITES and FRAUDS in the same vein as their beloved president-elect. Affirmative Action, my ass. Probably not a good move on their part.
THE BAN WILL NOT STAND. To the bigots: watch us strike it down. And stop hiding behind your “religion.” If your religion doesn’t support ALL people, you need to shop for a new one.
State Constitution, McP
If it can be put into the State Constitution, it can also be removed.
Mr. Hope and Change said he’d get rid of the Defense of Marriage Act, which will change things. Let’s see if he can do that.
McP
…with the vote of the people of California who don’t want perpetrators in the classroom pushing the same sex marriage theme. It’s not the State’s business.
McP,
You better be very happy that Prop. 8 passed because after watching this, you may have just a little bit of imagination for a future of sexual harrassment TEAMED UP with racial harrassment:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31838_Obama-Supporting_Teacher_Bullies_Student/comments/#ctop
Another great post!
I had argument after argument during the primary season about Obama and gay issues. Almost all of my gay/lesbian friends refused to believe me that Obama was no friend to gays and would actually hurt us if elected. I take no comfort in being correct about this.
I have more than a little anger for celebrity gays and lesbians who were enthusiatic in their support for BO knowing that he has never lifted a finger for gays/lesbians – unlike the Clintons. I guess Rachel Maddow and company aren’t interested in those types of benefits which make the difference between destitution and survival when a partner becomes sick or dies (i.e., social security benefits, etc). And Ellen Degeneres is now upset? What did you think would happen with BO? Rainbows and lollypops? Please.
As some one who is AA and someone who didn’t support noboma but belives in gay rights I can tell you that I am upset about that and I think it is unfair and bigoted but to say the maority of AA are homophobic is wrong and a broad exxegeration. I think that the majority of white posters don’t have a clear understanding of what Affermite Action is this is not like you can drop out of High school or colleage then you can get a fourtane 500 job you still have to work crazy hard for that postion. I think Oboma will not really change race relationships in this country. Virgina has had a Black Governor and the bigotry in that state has not nessecarlly changed for the better. I am from Chicago and you guys are right Oboma is a fraud and I am sad that he will go down in histroy as the first black American President becasue he has done nothing for that postion but to say he is a Affermitive Action case is very offensive it I wanted to here something like that I will listen to Rush Limbaugh or Mick Savage or some other hard right racist
Love the site, but a really lame point.
Sorry to part company with most of the PUMA’s here, but a very principled argument can be made to support traditional marriage. I do not accept the contention that people here in Florida passed Amendment 2 out of hatred or bigotry. We see same-sex marriage as a slippery slope to a cultural meltdown. In Europe marriage is deader than a doornail. I do so tire of dealing with the typical liberal’s view that the Europeans are so much smarter than we are. Oh bs. The fact is that in America homosexuals and lesbians already have exactly the same right that I have as a straight person: they can marry a person of the opposite sex. But they assert that the 14th Amendment equal protection clause trumps state law. Further, they assert that the present law is based on outdated religious concepts that have no place in a secular society. Well, Ok. By the standard, let’s do away with state laws against polygamy, incest, or … what the hell, go all the way and scrap the laws against murder, assault, theft etc. etc. since they are all based on an ancient moral code derived from religion. Of course, no one believes that being gay is as bad as being a polygamist, in fact, most of us think that being gay isn’t really morally wrong at all. But the point is that if the equal protection clause can be used to re-define marriage with regard to gender, how will we stop the polygamists from demanding their equal protection rights? Florida laws are perfectly compatible with the 14th Amendment because, as I said, no one has been denied their equal protection rights. It’s just a fact. Deal with it.
just to let You all know, that gay people are not racist and they in at list 90% suported Obama for Presidency, together with Latino ot Black , and now most of black turn their back on gays and betray them, those who are defending black people . This is as ugly as can be. Gay people are defending Latino and Black and fighting for their rights, and what they get in return NIFE IN THEIR BACK!!!
Latino and especjaly black betray gay communities, betray those who were fighting for their rights and on top of that , GAY PEOPLE VOTED FOR OBAMA. WELL, THIS WILL CHANGE FROM NOW, STUBBERS!!!
It sickens me that Prop 8 passed. It’s particularly sickening that black Barry Obama voters were such strong supporters of it. I wish there was a party for me: Social libertarians that are also fiscally conservative. I can’t stomach social conservatives that try to outlaw gay marriage and pass the right to life amendment. I don’t want the government in my bedroom. At the same time, I’d be hard pressed to vote Dem this year even if Barry wasn’t the nominee due to the party’s recent foray into populist class welfare and New Deal type solutions. Once again, I think it’s important to keep government out of our lives as much as possible, even with respect to most social programs. If they actually succeeded that would be one thing. But they are uniformly inefficient and ineffective. Plus I think it’s important that we are free to make our own choices. The federal government’s primary role should be securing our national defense. Some social safety net should exist but it should be quite limited. Anyway, hearing that Prop 8 passed has been depressing. LBGT voters probably feel like they don’t’ have a political home either. *sigh*
All I see is an oxymoron. Soertoro/Obama has racially divided this nation as it has not been since the civil war. An “election” based on racism does not eliminate racism; it increases it.
And how could a Kenyan citizen who stole the nomination from another due to chauvinism bring anything to the African American community but more fear and division? If the Democratic party can blithely label two women “the wrong women” we can certainly label Soerotoro/Obama “the wrong man”.
There were good African American candidates in the past and there were good African Americans candidates now and there will be good African American candidates in the future but a mystery man who goes by the name Obama; and who helped Odinga divide Kenya the way he has divided the U. S. in his quest for power; is not one of them. And I think most of these good African Americans who believed in Rev. King’s dream rather than Rev. Wright’s rant see the difference.
I don’t want my country to be just another junta. I want my democracy back!
For all the self congratulations going on with the media types, when it comes down to it…just another guy got elected to the presidency.
Obama isn’t going to “transcend anything”. It will be another centrist government and all of those kool aiders are going to be very disappointed.
I held out more hope for real progressive changes with Hillary Clinton.
Let’s see if Obama does anything to overturn DOMA. I am sure the economy is going to give the great excuse to side step that promise. This will at least pave the way for recognition of federal benefits to same sex couples who legally marry in states where it is permissible.
Most black people, even if they don’t attend a church on a regular basis, are “GOD-FEARING.” They believe that homosexuality is an abomination.
Besides, EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED…even gay people.
The law defines marriage as a union between ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN. The law doesn’t define it as the ability to marry WHOEVER YOU WANT TO MARRY, therefore no one is being denied a right.
Gay people are men and women, therefore they still have the right to marry, as long as gay men marry women and gay women marry men.
They have the same right that everyone else has under law.
What they want is SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. They want marriage to be defined as the ability to marry ANYONE YOU WANT TO MARRY, which would be a new law.
They have the right to get married under the law…just to someone of the opposite sex, like everyone else.
“GOD FEARING” Now that is a term we seldom here anymore. Thank You for bringing it back to consciousness.
That’s a phrase that blacks use all the time, so why wouldn’t I bring it back in a post about black voters, retard?
As a white gay teenager of California, I vehemently refuse to allow the fact that the vast majority of blacks to be turned into some twist of racist arms against them. The higher yes on 8 vote anomaly was just a result of happenstance due to the localized semi culturally segregated environment in the United States. It could have just as easily been the blacks who would have been most opposed to proposition 8. The spice of life enlies in the fact that different places have different people, different kinds if beliefs and its only natural that in todays still underdeveloped political world, there are bound to be variations in popular opinion from one group of people to another. Even though I am a strongly NO on 8 voter, I extend much respect to every group of people who may not have had the chance to walk in my shoes, and may just see everything differently.
Love always
Tristan. age 18
You’re a homophobe nigger! Isn’t that the new rallying cry? Isn’t that where we’re headed when we deal with the “they’s” and “thems” of this thread?
This is a failing of gay activists!! Obama didn’t just win– he ran an amazing campaign and built coalitions. And so did the Yes To Prop 8 camp. Given the importance of the black church and the catholic church in latino neighborhoods gay activists should have been out in those communities more than just a week before the vote!!
I am upset about this erroneous finger pointing at African-Americans regarding Proposition 8. Why are you so quick to believe whatever you hear? If someone told me 70 percent of gay people voted against Obama my first thought would be, excuse me Jesus, that is crap! I don’t believe it! This political year was fraught with right wing lies. Bear that in mind.
“Religious organizations that support Proposition 8 include the Roman Catholic Church], Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson, American Family Association, Focus on the Family[and the National Organization for Marriage Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, California’s largest, has also endorsed the measure. The Bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has publicly supported the proposition and encouraged their membership to support it, by asking its members to donate money and volunteer time. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read in every congregation. Latter-day Saints have provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California. About 45% of out-of-state contributions to Protect Marriage.com has come from Utah, over three times more than any other state.”
Still, even though gays were fighting to preserve a basic right, it was the anti-equality side in California that seemed to have the most fervor. A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means – he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys – who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. “It was a decision we made very prayerfully,” Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee’s Jennifer Garza. “Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children.”
This is your real enemy. Don’t trust exit polls. I think they are pitting one group against the other. African-Americans are less than 7% of the state population, do the math. Many more Whites voted and they put this over, not Blacks. What are the total numbers of each group that voted. Someone dug into the data and found that we’re just now learning is that the exit poll was based on less than 2,300 people. If you take into account that blacks in California only make up about 6.2%, we get roughly 224 blacks who were polled. 224 blacks to blame an entire race! The original percentage of black voters who were expected to say yes to Prop 8 was only around 52-58%. Anytime you get a vote that much higher over the projected vote, something went wrong.
I know someone who watches C-Span and they said most Blacks did not even address the question at all. And they do not have the money to fund a tens of millions of dollars Proposition 8 campaign. Note that they also targeted affirmative action for eradication in another state.
I cannot believe that these groups get a pass and Blacks are being targeted for the blame game. Rather than be upset at the phantom African-American menace, fight like hell. There is no right wing black conspiracy against gay Americans. When you tried to align your struggle with that of Blacks you inherited their enemies. These same enemies are now trying to pit one against the other because they fear the combined numbers of both.
How many gay activists supported the civil rights movement in the 1960’s? Then how do you automatically expect support in return? Have you asked Blacks to support you or did you just assume?
No one gave Obama anything and they will not give gays anything either. Obama stands on the shoulders of a lot of brave people who gave their lives for him to stand on that podium last night.
Never trust exits polls because in all my years of life, no one has ever been seen at a polling place asking anyone anything when they left.
Don’t fall for the lies.