“I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain”—Obama
By Matthew Weaver on November 6, 2008 at 4:30 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain
This post is reprising and updating a post I originally wrote April 8, 2008 at my blog The Problem With Obama and at Talking Points Memo.
“I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain”—Obama
“Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain”—Obama.
Yes! Obama claimed more foreign policy experience than either Clinton or McCain! Is this audacity, arrogance, or a hopeful statement in looking for a believing sucker?
Clinton offered a telling response:
“I’m somewhat shocked by that since I don’t see any evidence of it,” Clinton said, chuckling. “This is, you know, kind of hard to square with his failure ever to have a single policy hearing on the only responsibility he was given, chairing the European and NATO subcommittee on the Foreign Relations Committee.
“And as he admitted in the last debate, he was too busy running for president to pay attention to what we needed to do to improve our chances in Afghanistan and get NATO more involved. So, you know, I, I ,I don’t, I don’t know, I’m speechless. I mean, you know, making an assertion like that belies the facts and the record.”
Obama’s foreign policy experience: a newly disclosed three week trip to Pakistan in 1981 as a college student, travel and living in Indonesia, and visits to Kenya. Wow! I know I’m supposed to be impressed but having traveled to more than 46 countries myself–including Pakistan, Dubai, Yemen, Indonesia, China, Vietnam, and more—I’m left speechless by Obama’s hollow claim. While I might offer that I have visited these countries for business, pleasure, and, in some cases, while in the U.S. Navy, thus giving me some limited level of cultural awareness, and a definite level of comfort in these travels and in my contact and relationship with peoples from around the world, I would never venture to suggest that this gives me more foreign policy experience than either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain. That Obama would suggest his even more limited travel, his lack of military service, and his apparent lack of work overseas, is comparable and better is both laughable and offensive.
What has transpired since April?
- We’ve learned absolutely nothing further about Barack Obama’s three week visit to Pakistan.
- Barack Obama stated he’d sit down without pre-conditions with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea during his first year in office.
- As for Barack Obama’s lack of military service, he has recently offered that he considered enlisting but since there was no war underway, he didn’t see value in the effort.
- Obama communicated with the Canadian government to discount his campaign rhetoric regarding NAFTA wherein he told America he would unilaterally change NAFTA but then said to Canada that he would not.
- Barack Obama did undertake a celebrity world tour early in the summer.
- Barack Obama did engage in diplomatic discussions with Iraqi leaders wherein he asked them to hold off on signing any agreements with the U.S., thus to delay withdrawal of American troops.
- When Russia invaded Georgia, Obama dismissed concerns and simply asked Russia to show restraint.
The election is now underway and the choice is between Barack “I know more” Obama and John McCain. Senator McCain is everything that Barack Obama is not. Experienced.
Cross-posted on my blog, The Independent View.
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This is a great ‘talking points memo.’ Will discuss this with my history class today. Taught a senior class yesterday. The students were ecstatic that BO had won. Listened in on their discussion. One student thought BO was from KS. ‘No,’ the other corrected her. ‘He’s from HI.’ ‘No, he isn’t; he was born in Kenya.’ Now I interrupted. ‘If he was born in Kenya then, given his mother’s age at his birth, she was unable to pass on her citizenship to him and so, he is not a natural born citizen and thus is ineligible to be POTUS.’ You should have seen the look of shock on their faces.
As always, I disclose these truths about BO in a calm even tone. Breaking a young person out of a kool-aid induced stupor is serious work.
well I am not suprised by the ignorance of students in your class. Most kids these days can’t even name all 50 states in union, don’t know the words to the Pledge of Allegiance or the Star Spangled Banner and wouldn’t have a clue what Patriotism means if smakced them upside the head and their lives depended on it.
Political correctness has been shoved into school curriculum and now kids don’t know the difference between right and wrong. I guess that is too “old fashioned” and not hip. The core of Obama’s supporters are proof of that. I’m sure there are some good kids who supported him as well who either were just following the crowd and misguided.
My 13 year old daughter who likes McCain and what he was all about came home yesterday trying not to cry. I asked her what was wrong and she said alot of her friends who were for Comrade Barry started calling her names. She stood there and told her friends it’s amazing that they failed to do their homework; that they failed to find out everything there is to know. My 13 year old said blindly supporting someone and not knowing the facts, not WANTING to know the facts, is stupid.
I am so proud of my girl. She will be a leader some day. This election fired her up.
That’s wonderful to hear. You should be proud, TD.
I think we’re going to see a lot of bullying from Obots across the board, of all age and socio-economic levels. Brace for it.
I don’t think knowing the facts count any more in anything whatsoever. Say mopping the floor. Mops are not used anymore. Facts are only things necessary after the fact. Mocking is more what prevails and makes might.
I am one of those ‘not wanting’ to know the facts.
Homework is something that no longer is relevant. Even people who are at home don’t want to do homework.
The issue today for young people like your daughter is “lying.” Genesis 3:4. Students are being trained (by the government) to accept lies as valid statements. The questions is how many lies are people willing to accept on a daily basis. If that amount can be reduced to near zero then she will have a chance at being proud regardless of her situation.
This thread is about a lie. And how to deconstruct it, rectify it, prevent it, and make it work constructively. The lie presented by Matthew is,
Those who voted for Obama were willing to accept it and dismiss the meaning of such a lie. This lie distorted reality. Once a distorted reality is accepted then you no longer have the ability to assess certainty. What is the cost of that uncertainty presented by Matthew?
The market yesterday sold off about a trillion dollars in assets. Your market investments lost money yesterday as well as for most of those who voted for Obama. They lost lots of money yesterday. Why? Because of the lie Matthew just brought to our attention again.
Please, tell your 13-year-old daughter that my 16-year-old son, who is black, feels the same way. I worry about him because he is better informed than so many of his contemporaries. Hearing about your daughter helps me feel better about his future, too.
My middle schooler tells me that many of the kids were for McCain, but their parents voted for Obama. I brought my child in the booth with me to witness my vote. He knows all kinds of stuff about Obama and McCain, and of course, my real candidate, Hillary. The experience has left the impression of how life is unfair and the best woman or man does not always win, and also that cheating (pliagiarsm, voter fraud, online donations in violation of the law)is a winning strategy.
If I had the time, I would write a book about cheating in our society and how it is acceptable all the way to the top.
Matthew and lark,
I just reread your post and comment, all of this is absolutely true. Cheating, lying, bypassing the “truth” for a sexier alternative that is more media savvy has become our way of life in the media age. The price we are paying is about to be learned.
The sound bite rules, not the truth. I want the truth to come out. I hope Larry and company will stay the course so the truth has a way out.
Just to make you laugh here is the email from my daughter’s Kindergarten class election on Tuesday:
Breaking news….the votes are in from The Kindergarten Kingdom Election
today.
On The President:
2 undecided
13 McCain
6 Obama
On favorite class snack:
1 undecided
9 Fruit Loops
7 Goldfish
4 Pretzels
It was a fun day in our class. We learned about The President, voting,
and so much more!!!!
*****************************************
I hate to say it my daughter voted for Obama. When asked why she said “because Hillary’s name was not on the ballot!” Poor thing was so confused….however, she was proud to say she voted for Fruit Loops!
Chicago Joe
You’re right on target. Our kids are being brainwashed by the uneducated, dumber than dumb media that to cheat gets you where you wanna go a lot faster!
And they have Obama and his corrupt misogynist fraudulent campaign to thank! Hillary was being pushed off the ring since January! But her lesson to the kids is:
WHEN YOU HEAR THE WHISTLE, KEEP GOING. WHEN THEY GO AFTER YOU, KEEP GOING. DON’T STOP!
We have this brave dedicated Public Servant Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton to thank for the greatest lesson of this campaign for our kids…KEEP GOING…DON’T STOP, KEEP FIGHTING
P.S. Does anyone notice that Axelrod looks the spitting image of Heil Fuhrer! Hitler moustache and demeanour….makes a good pardner for Obummer!
Well, I can relate. I’m 4X your young daughter’s age, but I was also bullied/taunted–at my workplace and I also cried a little in frustration. After all, Obama did exhort us here in Missouri in the last days of the campaign “not to think” about all that nasty “made up” stuff about him…I’m frustrated that so many of my friends I consider so intelligent actually appear to have swallowed his “command” via hook, line & sinker…
But on a positive note, I’m thankful my eyes have been opened, and now I will WATCH, be a watcher, not a screamer or dweller in negativity or despair, but I will observe and tell the truth in my own quiet way.
This has nothing to do with political correctness. Older Americans are just as ill-informed, as surveys repeatedly show. We have not taught civics or history well for years. But even if we had, the ignorance about current candidates is due to our vapid, adolescent media culture.
Obama Supporter Waves Communist Flag at Victory Celebration Outside White House
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=214233
Let the fun begin!!!!!!!!
While it is disgusting, it doesn’t surprize me.
College age kids are delusional. I know, I was once young too. At 18 I was a far left liberal, with age I am a border-line Republican!
Does the DNC even acknowledge that as people mature, they become more conservative? In a few years this kids will have responsibilities and families- taxes, mortagaes, and bills to pay, children to raise and keep safe- let’s see how they vote 2 election cycles from now.
It’s funny at 18 I went from being a Reagan Republican kid from Alaska who moved to London to hang with those who taught me to believe Reagan and Thatcher were fascists! I came home six years later and considered myself very liberal by US standards. Then, I grew up, got married, had a kid, got a mortgage and three cycles later I found myself voting for John McCain. You see, there is hope for our youth!
“If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” – WInston Churchill
Wait a minute- you’re a teacher, and you think it’s your job to pass on conspiracy theory crap to your kids?
I’m a teacher (AP Government, AP History) and I didn’t vote for Obama- but I didn’t even share that information with my kids, let alone fill their heads with paranoid unproven internet rumors. Do you encourage your students to believe Obama is a Muslim, too?
You should just do your job. Teach your kids, don’t try to indoctrinate them or use them as your personal sounding board. I hope some parent gives you hell.
Do you encourage your kids to believe what Obama tells them is the truth?
We are talking about High School kids, some of whom will go to College in a couple of years where they will be taught by Professors who are Communists, Socialists, lots of former activists, some un-repentant terrorists…
yeah, I can see how bringingup that “IF he was born in Kenya, given his mother’s age, he would not be a natural born citizen” is really going to f**k up these kids heads.
As for the Muslim thing, he is a believer of Black Liberation Theology. He attended a Church and was a member of a BLT based Church in Chicago. A lot of it’s current members were former Nations of Islam members, including Rev. Wright.
So, when you say teach…don’t indoctrinate, I have to ask…whose truth? Obama and Liberal teachers and the Media have been indoctrinating these kids with ball faced lies for the past year.
If you condone that message and pass it along as fact to my kids I would be giving you hell!
I teach at a private Jewish Orthodox school. The results of our mock election were: McCain 99, Obama 19. I supported John McCain.
I encouraged my kids to talk about the ISSUES. It never occurred to me to interrupte discussion of which President would be best for National Defense or the Economy by injecting “Hey, IF Obama is a Muslim, IF he was born in Kenya..and oh BTW what about Jeremiah Wright..” because getting my kids off the issues and into conspiracy “what if” talk is not in my job description. I am proud that my kids talked about real issues, not trivial conspiracy crap.
John……Can you explain why 77% of the Jewish population voted for Barack Obama?
What are your thoughts about Rahn Emanuel being BO Chief of Staff? Are you aware of Rahn radical terrorist father Benjamin? Have you heard the rumors that Rahn is Mossad? Do you think he should be vetted? Do you think anyone who is to be president should be vetted? Why do you think BO has not shown his BC? Don’t you agree that he should?
I saw nothing wrong with the way that jbjd handled that. Why did you twist it around to being wrong?
OH MY GOD…One of my very smart political genius friends says Emanuel is dangerous and a plant. Mossad? Great news. This just gets worse every day. I can’t stand how ridiculous this all is.
If I have learned anything from this election it is this…if they are selected by Obama, if they are in his camp, on his team or ever mentored him or lived in his neighborhood then they are an extremist of some sort. Does this guy have an aversion to Mainstream Americans…except when he is trying to get their vote?
Pam Gellar, Atlas Shrugs, calls them Jewicidals
Thank you for noticing the subjunctive. (I wondered at the teaching acumen of the commenter who, claiming to teach advanced placement classes, nonetheless failed so completely to discern between proselytizing and teaching.
Wow; when did “teaching” become so controversial? (As I previously posted, I am a substitute teacher, which means I regularly instruct different students from day to day.) None of my students has any idea how I voted in the Presidential election. (Otherwise, what would be the purpose of a secret ballot?) I cannot say where BO was born; only that if, as the student in that particular class alleged, he was born in Kenya then, the U.S. laws existing at that time, in conjunction with the age of his mother, would mean that, he is not a natural born citizen and, therefore, would not satisfy constitutional muster. (I am also a lawyer and so, my analysis tends to be focused on the legality of the issue. Personally, however, I have no idea where BO was born. And, it would seem, neither do they.) As for your charge that by responding to their inconsistent proclamations about the birthplace of Mr. Obama, I was telling my students what to believe, well, re-reading my post, I cannot imagine that you got that idea from my comments. (As for passing on internet conspiracy theories, I do point out that, BO posted on his internet site, “Fight the Smears’ a copy of what he claimed was his birth certificate. I pointed out that, the document on the internet is entitled “Certification of Live Birth.” Of course, someone always asked, what’s the difference? That’s when I explain, I had the same question and so, I went to the official government web site of the State of HI. That’s how I know HI accepts a Birth Certificate as primary identification as to, for example, Hawaiian ancestry; while a Certification of Live Birth by itself requires additional documentation.)
As for those of you who warn the government might come after me… trust me, my family and I are only too well aware of the depths to which government will sink to cover up their malfeasance from this whistleblower.
You did or said nothing wrong.
“The day you censor yourselves in what you write is the day that you will lose your Freedom of Speech. “
From the Vienna Gate
Teaching children from day 1 to question all statements and visualize the consequences of a premise is the best possible strategy to end up with someone who can think, and that is more important than any “fact.” Facts have a way of getting updated. The teacher was telling them a consequence of a belief one of them had already. The student already had heard about Kenya but was ignorant of the constitution. Go back to school yourself and find out what indoctrination is.
He is a Muslim too. He is many things and different things to different people. The rules of Islam makes Obama a Muslim. Just saying that he is not a Muslim does not make him Not-Muslim. There are rules and laws. Obama is friends with an Anarchist and have radical anarchical tendencies and he would like that just by saying something it becomes fact and truthiness. That’s why he is a ‘Secret Anarchist.’ He wants to apply his rules to social rules and disqualify norms. That’s why he is dangerous to our Constitution. He is a liar because he is an anarchist about truths.
That is what this thread is about. Matthew points to Obama’s statement. The statement proves he is an Anarchist in the tradition of Bill Ayers.
He is Ayer’s protogee.
Ayers has been Mentoring since the eary 80s
John
Although I agree with your comment that we shouldn’t indoctrinate kids, at the same time are we not allowed to bring their attention to some facts such as Obama deemed it fit to allow his 2 young impressionable little girls to attend a Church steeped in hatred and bigotry. And, further, to expose them to the PORN-ON-THE-PULPIT sexual-simuloation gyrations of Uncle Jeremiah while yelling to all (including kids) in the congregation:
“Bill did to us what he did to Monica”—demonstrating such fervent belief system on the pulpit for the benefit of all his crazed sheep…
Children should be exposed to FACTS from all sides. Only then they can make up their own minds. To simply keep SILENT about what may be conveyed to them as mere opinion on your part is….irresponsible.
And I must admit that I find Obama and Michele to be UNFIT PARENTS for allowing their 2 girls to attend such “church” for such long time without walking out and preventing further toxic damage. Obviously, they were both comfortable with the indoctrination of their 2 children. Why should we be?
jbjd – please watch yourself. if the obot “truth squads” find out you’re “misinforming” the youth, they may relocate you to siberia.
my question is…what effin’ good does it do to have pre-requisites to be president, laws against voter fraud and laws against foreign contributions to political candidates if NO ONE ENFORCES these rules!!!!!!!
WHY are the repubs not pressing the issue about blowhard’s birth certificate, his illegal contributions and the thousands of fraudulent voter registrations?
Maybe because we will blame it on the MSM? Why didn’t we, as Dems, as a party? The GOP Bush backers are now the financial power behind Obama. When that gets disclosed to the Public, then maybe we will be able to reveal the WHOLE truth.
I still do not believe the GOP wanted McCain. Heaven knows why, but I think it is because McCain is not an ass kisser. I firmly believe the Wall St. firms and core idealogues in each party, be it the Far Left or the Far Right, believe that candidates who stray to far away from their platform, and try to govern in a bipartisan manner are not to be trusted, and the numbers bear this out. 40% of McCain’s party would not get out and support him. The first really honorable man they have had on their ticket for POTUS in a very long time. The GOP base couldn’t get behind a genuine war hero who could tell the truth to the American people, but they could go wild with excitement over a guy who did everything he could to dodge the draft, screw up in college and in all his business ventures, and had no qualms at all about lying to us whenever he waas told to by Cheney.
If we want the COLB we’ll have to pry it out of Axelrod’s cold, dead hands some day. The GOP fought this campaign against Obama with less force than a peewee flag football team. THAT was a message to GOP candidates of the future, too. If you are not going to be an empty suit, you need not apply.
You say, “..I disclose these thruths about Bo in a calm even tone.” What truths are ‘these’? You begin the sentance with, ‘If he was born…’ and now you describe what you said as ‘truths’? Do you know where he was born? I think the truth about where he was born is ‘unknown’, to most people.
Is it appropriate to pass on subjective opinions to students without backing it up with fact?
There you go, again. The truth is, if BO was born in Kenya in 1991, his status as a natural born citizen is at best, unsettled. The truth is, he was aware people questioned his status as a natural born citizen and, in response, posted on his web site a document which he identified as a birth certificate but which, in truth, the state of HI does not recognize as a birth certificate. The truth is, several people have filed lawsuits to ascertain his place of birth and, according to court filings, which are public documents, he has failed to produce any additional documentation that goes to establish his eligibility under Article II to be POTUS. However, he has submitted extensive documentation contesting the standing of the plaintiffs to file suit; the jurisdiction in which the suit was filed; and the ripeness of the issue in question. (Of course, ripeness is no longer an issue as, BO ‘won’ the election. And that’s the truth.)
Sorry, typo; born in 1961…
Mira, this is a very ordinary logical process, IF x is true, THEN y is true.
IF he has dual citizenship, or ever did, THEN he isn’t natural born. We don’t know that IF is true, so far it is a supposition and not even presented as a fact. We do know what dual citizenship and its predecessors are, and that is a truth. You are saying that IF is the truth and your argument is faulty.
And the young ones who were eligible to vote are probably as much the cause of this problem we have now, with an inexperienced President, as anyone.
It makes me re-think the voting age thing. I mean, if they’re not able to reason…………………
But wait – there were a lot of adults as well who still have no clue about the real Obama. I’m sure they’ll come around to it, though, if their stimulus checks are late or when Obama doesn’t personally forgive their mortgage debt.
Kudos to you for working to reach the youth.
Obama thinks because he grew up Muslim he understand the foreign policy better. He really just has a different perspective. He sympathizes with the Muslim countries in the Middle East. As he said, he wants to disarm the U. S. to make the Muslim countries feel comfortable (actually Dick Durbin’s idea). He also stated on Meet the Press that in the Muslim countries in the Middle East “peace prevails.”
I’m not sure which Middle East he’s looking at, but it seems to me the Muslim countries in the Middle East are the most contentious nations in the entire world. Delusion must be a comforting thing.
Matt
I know little. Therefore I ask those, who know more, what they think. What I hear back is not good. I hope the overall evaluation will get better, but..
I sent a note last night to a star general who served three tours in ‘Nam. I share with you his uncensored response:
This gentleman, who is respected by military leaders today, never says much. His response to me last night was almost numbing.
I know less and understand the world less than most people in the know. I sincerely hope that in the coming months I hear, from those who know more than me, much better reviews than the one I quoted above.
God bless us all, every one.
thank you for posting your letter. This should be one of many examples serving us to continue to fight for what is right for this country. I don’t know what else to do.
“evil prevails when good men do nothing”
when good women do nothing, too!
I still say the American people will not stand for “radical changes,” not once they are actually confronted by them. I also have to wonder if the New Democrats will have to face the reality that Obama is a manufactured wonder and he does not really have the support of the American people (something like 40% of registered Republicans didn’t vote) and half the traditional Democrats voted for him under duress.
Guys, we have to not go into panic mode here. The American people would not accept a theocracy and we will not accept a socialist state.
The only thing I really worry about is that Obama will bring in millions of hispanics and make them citizens and he’ll have a super majority in that way.
You are right tek but what you fail to consider is that the ‘radicalism of Obama’ which is in the mode of Bill Ayers, etc. is about crating chaos. Chaos allows them to tailor and perfect their message. Once their message is perfected, people have no alternative but to follow. Few can resist the pull of a perfect message.
I don’t think the Dem Congress will appropriate any money for his ‘youth army.’ But money to organize it may come from Rahm Emanuel. But it has little chance to succeed unless it becomes an ACORN corporation.
It is drilled into the military people from the highest levels to the lowest levels that they are to stay out of politics.
That the Civilian Govt is the undisputed source of legitimacy and nothing they do or say is to impact the election or the politics of the country.
This is all fine and dandy if the govt is being subverted, but our govt is subverted. I wish the military would get involved.
They may be the last reserve of integrity in this country.
(I was never in the military, so i’m probably just being naive)
thank you for the post, another glaring example of how inept, inexperienced and clueless Obama is. Barack Obama is the counterpart of the hatred for Bush. What a piss poor example set for young people with what happened w getting Bush in the White House. Then all of the unconscienable, even some illegal, things he, Rumsey and Cheney did. Their arrogance and disregard for doing what’s right opened the door for Barack Obama.
It’s too bad that our country has become a cesspool of no regard for rules, laws, boundries, compassion, honesty. Given that Obama will not produce a legal birth certificate, release his school or medical records, it’s very likely he is not even a United States citizen. But he and his supporters worked from the Bush, Cheney plan that if you cheat, lie and steal enough, you can get what you want. In essence, Obama and his campaign and supporters became who they hated. Congratulations, you learned how to be dishonest and do the wrong things instead of the right ones.
And shame on all of the complacent people who stood idly by and were too lazy and uninterested to vote.
Many who stood by did so because they were bound, by their military or governmental duties, to do so. They did not like doing so.
oh, I’m not talking about those people. I am talking about the ones who could have and didn’t vote.
“And shame on all of the complacent people who stood idly by and were too lazy and uninterested to vote.”
Wodiej: Even more disturbing than these people stayin home are the many, many uninformed people who did vote. I am a big fan of Jay Leno’s “Jaywalking” bit, and I imagine alot of the first time voters were similarly uninformed about this election. John Stossel did a report where he interviewed people who were registering, and he asked them really basic questions (like who’s the VP, Speaker of the House) and they had no idea. This is what put Obama over the top – scary. I wish there was a way they could administer a spot quiz before letting people vote
Obama IS the third Bush term – steeped in arrogance, ignorance, inexperience, with a cadre of corrupt crooks running the show.
Obama embraced the Bush way of doing things I believe, because he intends to do exactly the same thing. Transparency? Fuggedabout it! Open government? Not on your life. Self-serving? You betcha! And let’s not forget all the payback he owes for those millions of campaign dollars he used to get elected. Now THAT’S a lot of payback.
Does Obama have to show his Birth Certificate to the members of the Electoral College in December? Is that not one of the requirements for the presidency?
I don’t know about that. But they have not held him accountable for anything else. The fact that he has refused to produce one makes me question his legitimacy.
I do not know but I will look it up. Thank you.
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INFORMATION ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
I had theorized the possibility of a McCain win after a vote by the electoral college. Now, I want to work for such an outcome.
In short, on the Monday following the second Wednesday in December, the electoral college or, the electors in each state, meet to cast their votes for President. Generally, these electors are pledged to cast their votes for the candidate who won the most votes in their state. (Sometimes states have enacted laws to bind the elector to the winning candidate. However, no federal law obligates an elector to cast her vote for a winning candidate.) In cases where, for some reason, there is no leading candidate after votes from all electors, the winner will be chosen from among the top 3 by the House of Representatives.
If BO is determined to be ineligible for POTUS this means, the electors in each state may vote for John McCain. Indeed, while there is no formal requirement to produce verification of eligibility; and no outright prohibition against voting for an ineligible candidate, I cannot conceive that any elector will cast a vote for BO if he is not a natural born citizen. (I am uncertain what would happen if he is indicted on criminal charges before the electors cast their votes.)
The slate of Electors for each state are usually party loyalists.
When you vote on Tuesday you are choosing between two slates of Electors.
If a State went Blue, then you elected a slate of Democratic Party electors.
On the 1st Monday after the 2 Wed in December, the College in each State meets and votes. If Barry is ineligible by then, then I believe the Dem Party would meet and under their rules annouce who their new candidate is, and the Blue Electors would then choose that person for thier Presdident vote.
Also each State’s Law may have regulations for that scenerio.. i only looked at Federal Level law.
I for one can’t wait to hear the cries of “false prophet!” from the droids and “what the fuck?” from the moderates who voted for Obama. Suckers!
If Obama is hinting at his corrupt attitudes and behaviors being like that of some other nations, well I can believe it.
But, I think the American people would like more than that.
Voters are getting the bulk of their info about the elections through the MSM and their local newspapers. People are not aware of all the info about Obama thats been on the internet.
I spoke to someone yesterday who didn’t know about the Global Poverty Tax. People really believe Obama will cut taxes and the unions told their members this.
Many American are following the lead of people who they believe are more knowledgeable. Therefore, we have the sham election that took place.
In addition, many Americans did want to make history. They did believe Obama has merit. They listened to others who they felt had more wisdom and understanding.
And, many Americans were afraid to vote McCain, a republican, because they were probably told what I was told, “McCain is a war monger.” After 8 years of Bush, it didn’t matter to many people whether it was Obama or someone else, just as long as it wasn’t a republican who became president.
Obama understands “wheeling and dealing”, Chicago is famous for it since it is probably the most corrupt city in America.
He does not know what it is that he does not know. That’s what scares me.
djmm
Conclusion to my previous positions.
What Matthew presents here is the reason why the stock market during the period of Obama will not produce too many good results. Or maybe the market will learn to deal with a pathological liar for its own good.
Obama’s anarchy with the truth will drive uncertainty up and certainty to the floor. The markets deal with that be withdrawing to a safe place.
In most endeavors, domestic and foreign policy Obama’s anarchism about ‘truths’ in the tradition of Bill Ayers – that’s why the Bill Ayers connection is important – how Bill Ayers anarchism affects truthiness? – will bring chaos to the system.
Obama’s anarchism about facts and truth will singlehandedly bring our country to a stand still. I think some here call it ’stagflation.’
You what’s frightening.. I am fairly confident that I know more about what’s going on in the world than anyone in the Congress. I know for a fact I know more about Islamic Jihad than anyone in our Congressional Defense-related Committees… I sometimes think that I know more than the State Dept and sometimes the CIA , judging by the bonehead decisions they make.
This shouldn’t be. I am no one special. I just read a lot and I observe. Our leaders and entrenched bureaucracy seem clueless to me. It’s quite depressing.
On the topic of the Birth Certificate–when I adopted my daughter from China I had to use vault copies of our birth certificates and marriage certificate. These documents were sent to the Secretary of State for the state each one was issued for additional verification. I then had to send these documents to the Texas Secretary of State because I live in Texas and then the Chinese consulate for a final round of verification. Each document had three official signatures attached. It was a pain in the “tush” to do but EASILY done. Anyone in the international adoption community can give you the direct address and phone numbers for every state to acquire the proper verification. I remember for my Hawaiian marriage certificate I had to sent it to the Lt. Governor for verification. Heck my birth certificate from NYC had four signatures as it had to go to the county for verification and then to the Secretary of State of New York. It boggles my mind that Obama will not release his vault copy of the birth certificate. In order to adopt internationally I am held to higher standards before I bring a child into our country but the President-elect of the US is not. All he has to do is simply show his vault copy. I don’t want to believe in “conspiracy theories” but something so simple is easily remedied but he refuses to do so.
Also could someone in the legal field explain to me what “standing” means and how Obama’s counsel is using this in the Berg lawsuit…..
Fox News needs to get on this birth-certificate business and not let up. All Bobo needs to do is show a group of reporters a hard-copy version, and he won’t even do that! Instead, he dispatches lawyers to thwart court proceedings demanding it! Now what would any reasonable person think of that? Before the election, I thought there might be something politically damaging like a different last name or a statement of Muslim religion on the BC. But what’s Bobo worried about now? He won and probably doesn’t give an eff what anyone thinks! Dear God, please let the Supremes grant cert on this!! They installed W, so why would they give Bobo any leeway?!