what happened to all those *new* voters, or better yet, all those republican ones?
By American Girl in Italy on November 8, 2008 at 5:55 AM in Barack Obama, General Election, Sarah Palin, Voter Fraud
Report: ‘08 turnout same as or only slightly higher than ‘04
WASHINGTON (CNN) – A new report from American University’s Center for the Study of the American Electorate concludes that voter turnout in Tuesday’s election was the same in percentage terms as it was four years ago — or at most has risen by less than 1 percent.
Click here to read the entire report.
The report released Thursday estimates that between 126.5 and 128.5 million Americans cast ballots in the presidential election earlier this week. Those figures represent 60.7 percent or, at most, 61.7 percent of those eligible to vote in the country.
“A downturn in the number and percentage of Republican voters going to the polls seemed to be the primary explanation for the lower than predicted turnout,” the report said. Compared to 2004, Republican turnout declined by 1.3 percentage points to 28.7 percent, while Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 points from 28.7 percent in 2004 to 31.3 percent in 2008.
“Many people were fooled (including this student of politics although less so than many others) by this year’s increase in registration (more than 10 million added to the rolls), citizens’ willingness to stand for hours even in inclement weather to vote early, the likely rise in youth and African American voting, and the extensive grassroots organizing network of the Obama campaign into believing that turnout would be substantially higher than in 2004,” Curtis Gans, the center’s director, said in the report. “But we failed to realize that the registration increase was driven by Democratic and independent registration and that the long lines at the polls were mostly populated by Democrats.”
Some experts also note that national turnout trends may mask higher turnout in swing states with more intensive attempts by both campaigns to get their supporters to the polls. Several large states, including California and New York, had no statewide races and virtually no advertising or get-out-the-vote efforts by either presidential campaign.
According to the report, several Southern states — North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Virginia, and Mississippi — and the District of Columbia saw the greatest increases in voter turnout.
Overall turnout was highest in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Michigan, South Dakota and North Carolina, according to the report.
In 2004, 122 million Americans voted in the general election.
Hmmm…I wonder if the lower turnout in the Western States could have anything to do with this: Audio.
NEWS ALERT
Dispicable Voter Suppression Calls Hitting Republican Households in Western StatesSan Diego, November 4 (6:15 PM) - Dispicable voter suppression calls started hitting Republican households in California around 5 PM PST. The message left on the answering machines of
Republican households reads s follows:
“This is a breaking news alert! Early returns show Barack Obama will win Florida, Ohio and Virginia, closing John McCain’s only path to the White House. Obama landslide is virtual certainty. Early returns also show Democrats will have large majorities in both houses of congress,
regardless of final results from western states like Colorado and California. This was a breaking news alert.”
Tony Krvaric, Chairman of the Republican Party of San Diego County called the messages “dispicable”, and called for local Democrat leadership to immediately denounce the tactic, and demanded to know who paid for these calls. “Clearly, these calls are designed to depress Republican turnout here in San Diego County.”
Oh, and it wasn’t the youth vote that won this for Obama. As usual, they didn’t turn out as promised.
Young voters not essential to Obama triumph
Analysis shatters exit-polling myth, but shows black voters were vital
The purported “surge” of younger voters did happen, but it occurred at the same time as the number of voters of other ages also increased.
“Basically, the age distribution of voters looks the same as it did in 2004,” Arumi said. In 2004, 9 percent of the electorate was aged 18-24; on Tuesday, the percentage grew by one point to 10 percent.
Perhaps if the *anonymous insiders* of the MCCain campaign that continue to trash Sarah Palin, had done a better job getting their party to the polls, they wouldn’t need to be blaming her for their failures.
Oh, and just because this issue over Africa is driving me friggin batty, here is a comment from Palin’s aide Meg Stapleton:
“Regarding another stinging criticism, Stapleton claims that the Fox News report Thursday — that quoted unnamed sources inside the now defunct McCain campaign, saying Palin didn’t know Africa is a continent — was taken out of context.
Stapleton says that during a briefing session, someone asked Palin to explain the McCain-Palin stance on an issue, and as she was responding, “in the middle, she said, ‘country of Africa’ and somebody instantly wrote it down, and said, ‘Oh, my God, she thinks it’s a country.’”
But Stapleton insists, “She knows it’s a continent. It was just a human mistake, just like Obama saying 57 states. I don’t think anyone ever doubted that Obama knows there are 50 states.”
And no one in the media reported on Obama mentioning there were 57 states. Or that he saw dead people, or that his father’s casket was draped in an American Flag, or that his uncle liberated Auschwitz, or… Yes, we had a fun field day with those gaffes on the internet, but they weren’t reported in the news. But, the media has no problem trying to make Sarah Palin out to be a complete idiot.
Governor Sarah Palin did nothing wrong.
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It’s done folks.
Only one thing will change this– if voters give the Republicans a landslide of Gingrichian proportions in 2010.
I would have to agree with you. The Obama administration has more power than most Americans realize. With his “slightly creep cult of personality,” most Americans will go along with the program, ANY program.
If the Demorcatic party pushing hard for the fairness doctrine, talk radio will be silenced too.
Wanna a big laugh?
Go read #1 on Rec list at Daily Kos - “CNN does a hit job on Obama.”
While most of us in the reality based community realized Obama DODGED questions related to his campaign promises during his press conference yesterday, Kossacks dissect every word and claim CNN got it wrong and is out to “hurt Obama.”
The Precious One can do no wrong - but not a word on Obama’s nasty and meanspirited remark about Nancy Reagan.
That Reagan remark was a cover up for Obama’s own stupidity. Obama made a gaffe stating that he spoke with all the presidents that are alive. Suddenly, Obama had an epiphany that he screwed up and he realized that his own words could be used to mock him. That’s when Obama made the decision to make a joke at someone elses expense, only to screw the joke up too; Nancy Reagan never held a seance.
I think after he named Clinton he paused and realized, he doesn’t know all the names.
Is that what You mean?
I am sure he could not name them and also has not talked to all of them.
He made a snide remark because with ony 3 living former living US Presidents and one in office, he’d have to account for 39 more and hence the seance jest.
He truly must be paranoid that he was worried if the American people were thinking beyond the grave when he made that comment. He gives the citizens too much credit for being intelligent. Afterall, they elected him to be the next US President.
“He made a snide remark because with ony 3 living former living US Presidents and one in office, he’d have to account for 39 more and hence the seance jest.”
replace with:
He made a snide remark because with ony 3 former living US Presidents and one in office, he’d have to account for 39 more and hence the seance jest.
I can hardly believe that you PUMAS are trying to blame republicans for this disaster. Your party has produced the most Leftist American hating goons in the history of the US.
So to absolve your own faults you blame republicans for sexism. We nominated a woman and we were overjoyed with that choice. Your party did not nominate a woman. Your party trashed Hillary and Palin. Then to make matters worse Hillary turns around and makes 79 fucking appearances for Obama.
And Hillary would not have even been in the running were it not for OPERATION CHAOS which made he a closer contender than she would otherwise have been.
Republican crossed over to VOTE FOR A WOMAN WHO WAS NOT EVEN IN THEIR PARTY.
So I guess we are sexists, racists and homo-phobes as well.
Some of you decent PUMAS better slam these posts that are blaming republicans and look at yourselves for giving birth to a marxist messiah.
And for infecting the media %80 with democrats to control the information flow and suppress the republican vote.
WAKE UP.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. I personally blame the media. McCain didn’t stand a chance with the bias media attacking McCain-Palin and covering for Obama-Biden.
I’m now an independent (formally a Democrat.) I no longer have an allegiance to any party and never will again. I want the mainstream media to pay for their bias reporting.
As an independent voter I don’t care much for the campaign tactics of either party; however I didn’t see the same kind of Republican support for Senator McCain that I saw for George W. Bush. It was nothing like the vicious “swiftboat” attacks used against Democratic candidates in the last two elections and your party had real issues to use this time; like the citizenship requirements, criminal and terrorist associations, the racist black supremacy movement Soertoro/Obama participated in.
Any one of these would have sunk a candidate and yet your party refused to use even one after making a mountain out of a molehill over Kerry’s military record! If anyone is to blame for this fiasco, it is the Republican party leadership who refused to challenge Soertoro/Obama and the Democratic party leadership who stole a nomination for him.
We the People watched it all happen and all of our Constitutional Rights could not stop it. So quit trying to blame the voters and put it where it belongs — those who used their power to prevent the voting public from knowing this negative information against Soertoro/Obama and thus allowed him to be selected.
Word.
Did anyone ever type barrysoetoro.com into the URL field, and see where it led - straight to the McCain website. I thought that was a clue to us that they would bring up his legitimacy for the office, at the very least. What was the point of that little teaser?
The 527s - did NOT show up the way the swiftboaters did. Is it true that McCain called off the hounds? Who knows. Some 527s appeared at the very end of the campaign. It seems that the quality that made McCain strong as a legislator did him in as a campaigner - his willingness to compromise and give the other side its say. And of course, the DOW collapse, everyone saw their 401ks disappear into the night, and the voters made him pay.
I’m going to have to agree with you. I kept thinking “Oh, they’ll come out with the real stuff soon”, and “Oh, surely they’re going to press the point on this and explain why this is important”. I also found myself shouting at the TV during the debates — McCain always stopped short of making the real point. He allowed Obama time and again to cloak himself in soothing, non-threating terms when the real truth was often that he was the most far left on any subject.
Do you think maybe the RNC decided that they didn’t want this mess to deal with and were willing to sacrifice this election?
Geo -
A few points.
I don’t know that the post is necessarily Republican bashing, did you see that part about the voter suppression robo-calls in the Western states?
I’ve been reading here since spring of this year.
PUMAs woke up to the corruption in their own party when they witnessed the fraud that was perpetrated in the caucuses, the sliming of Hillary by the MSM, etc. However it appears from this election that most Democrats take their party identity and affiliation quite seriously, to them Republicans are the devil. Who knows how many Dems would still have voted for 0bama even if HRC had withheld her support? Probably still the vast majority.
That said, I’m a Republican, naturally, a lot of folks in my personal network are also. I’ve been shocked at the response of two of my (R) male friends, both Dubya supporters, and both supportive of 0bama. How the eff can someone be supportive of both - the 0bama win was a referendum on “W”.
I don’t know about the final Republican turnout numbers, I will check with my contacts in the party after this all shakes out. I do know for a fact that during the primaries I had to defend John McCain to fellow Republicans. I know some of the things he did to piss them off, but he was the best in the field and realistically had the best chance of winning in an extremely difficult year for the GOP. The people I talked to wouldn’t even give him credit for being a patriot, for god’s sake, they were hung up on his divorce from his first wife.
PUMAs and GOP types, Independents and Libertarians who love our country, we have to join together. It’s the ONLY way forward.
(I recall on election eve you were convinced PA would go red, so was I. Can you share why you thought that would be the case?)
There are similarities between Bush and Obama. Both are good at controling the media and they’re both for big government.
How is Bush good at controlling the media? You mean by ignoring Helen Thomas. His press secretaries we horrible excluding Tony Snow. For the most part the media and DNC ripped Bush to the point where he is incapable of defending himself.
As I republican (now independent) I think we need to understand the source of some of these preconceptions which are intended to divide us.
Well I am totally baffled by PA. I used to live there and traveled all over the state. I studied the situation pretty closely and went on gut intuitions.
I got what I thought was a good read from several PUMA sites discussing things on the ground including Lady Rothchild’s PUMA operation in Scranton. I have no inside info though.
I was not even close in PA. I also thought that GOP turnout would be above 60 million. The data makes no sense to me.
What is even stranger is not my obviously flawed analysis but the flawed Analysis of the McCain camp itself.
They invested a substantial effort in that state
when in fact it was a blow-out. Their internal polling must have told them something and I was using this also to guide my estimate. Then the COAL thing hit and that to me seemed to clinch it. And with Murtha winning I suppose I would not make much of a living predicting election results.
Here is where it gets weird. I got some feel about PA from the HillBuzz site. I am now very suspicious of them. It seems to be an astroturf site. They are located in Chicago. I have read independent comments at LGF and HotAir about HillBuzz being a possible fake PUMA site, even before my own doubts mounted. Sounds crazy but there are some odd things about that site. I am not convinced that they even sent anyone to PA and OH. They we asking for donations. Rush Limbaugh even mentioned them.
This whole election has caused me to have grave doubts about nearly all sources of information. And about my once prodigious abilities at making the right guesses.
I started re-reading 1984 because I slipped into a total Kafkaesque, post-modernist, Protagorean mind-set where nothing is absolute or tangibly real.
There are so many elements that make me fear the future with Obama. Orwell was so right about this dreadful possibility of the Ministry of Information and Newspeak.
I hope that that answers your question. Now I think I am in need some therapy.
Yes I recall when I went to do some phone calls for McCain the campaign rep told us their internal polling showed the race much tighter.
And we heard that Rendell was imploring 0bama to come back to the state to campaign…and people I know were approached by door-to-door 0b0ts who begged them to vote for him because in PA it was going to be close. If you look at the PA electoral results map, so much more of the state went blue! Hillary country stayed blue.
Philly is a no-brainer, even though n0bama was in the bag there, I’m sure the machine didn’t hold back on their time-honored practice of dead people voting and trashing Republican votes.
I don’t know how the internal polling could have been so FUBAR in PA unless there truly was massive voter fraud. After all, Ed Rendell does run the state. I have to check if Corbett stayed on as AG, he’s (R).
I live in PA. The lines to vote were eerily short - if any. There were tons and tons of McCain signs everywhere I went. Even though they were stolen, they still out numbered the Obama signs.
I sit here today still in shock that PA went to Obama, even more shocked that Murtha kept his seat. I don’t live in Pittsburgh or coal counties so i speak to their logic for voting for Obama.
I do believe though that his campaign worked. They forced and forced their lies 95% tax cut, GWB third term, Change.. the constant repeating of this stuck with people and that is why he won.
I offered to help the McCain camp drive folks to the polls - so did my neighbor. Neither one of us got a call to help out.
So, I ask the GOP folks here - where were you in PA? Us PUMAs did show and work the ground and what we could - we needed your help and obviously could not do it alone.
We knew there would be fraud in the city - the black panther thing, etc.. I still thought from prior elections when I sat there a loser b/c the dem did not win, the GOP always comes through and their base remains loyal no matter what. To see now that many of them stayed home and didn’t even show up to vote? What is that?
Why was McCain such a bad candidate they couldn’t do their duty and vote for him? Do they honestly think Obama is such a great alternative?
We are in for a long 4 years - I hope everyone survives it financially.
I wish Larry Johnson would start a thread just for WHAT HAPPENED IN PA.
Something just does not add up.
We need to talk about it to reconstruct the deception.
I so agree.
I just checked the election results in PA, Tom Corbett, AG kept his seat by a comfortable margin. That means there was ticket-splitting happening.
IMO that argues against massive voter fraud. (anything that accounts for more than 2-3% of the vote.)
However I still want to know what happened in my state.
Maybe the R’s were like me here in Michigan — the last place I wanted to be was in a long line of Obama supporters, so I absentee voted.
I’m confused as well - and you all did notice that the Indiana election website shows a win for McCain, right?
Absolutely. My Republican friends were not enthusiastic about voting for McCain, not the way they were about Bush. They had to convinced and cajoled, and even then, I am not sure how many of them actually made it to the polls.
One friend voted writing Palin in!
Part of the reason, I think, is that it was not enough that McCain was “Not Obama”.
Sort of how it was not enough for Kerry to run as “Not Bush”.
You might be right.
I discovered that a couple of my repub friends had no idea of the severity of Obama’s radical past. I spent 90 minutes lecturing a group of 3 guys about Obama and the election. When I said he was a crypto-Marxist they thought I was exaggerating. I tried to clue them in on everything. They were shocked since they didn’t seem to know much of anything about the more serious concerns.
It appears that anyone who does not use the internet was tricked by the media even knowing full well in advance that the media was biased.
How frustrating. One person even commented saying “Why is McCain always attacking Obama?”
I was stunned by this. I think it was one giant Psy-Op. Personally I have never been more involved in an election. It was an exercise in futility.
Don’t trust anything I say because I don’t anymore. Nothing is real.
I’m appalled at the PUMAs. What happened to them. They did not hold together.
I am really angry with women. We are truly our own worst enemy. We had two shots at getting a women leader and the majority of the rancor came directly from females.
I am through with women rights. Women do not want to break the glass ceiling. They just want to sit back and bitch.
The reason why Hillary lost and the reason why McCain lost was because of the stupidity of women. We can’t blame anyone but ourselves.
It didn’t help that Hillary was not a PUMA.
The woman’s block went seriously for Obama. I think only the AA’s and Latinos had a higher tilt toward Obama. Men were evenly split between McCain and Obama which I will never understand either.
Perhaps you missed the part about Republican turnout being down? Republicans show up in droves to support Bush but stay home for McCain? In case you didn’t notice there is not as many Pumas or disgruntled democrats as there are Republicans. So yeah I guess you deserve the blame. You lost, and you had a portion of the other team on your side. Spin it any way you like. Republicans dropped the ball.
So I guess we are going to ignore the fact that the Media is Dem and that Acorn is Dem and the 600 million was contributed by Dems and MoveOn is Dem and Daily Kos and Huffpo are Dem and Dem AA’s and Dem Latinos helped to nominate a Marxist who is a Dem.
But it is Repubs fault for not saving the Dems from the Dems who had the longest non-stop media blitz of a Primary season in history.
Go Figure.
Or we could just blame everyone but ourselves? All that you said is true but it didn’t keep Republicans from voting. You might also like to put some blame on Bush after all, if he had done a better job, things could have been different. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Time to take the first step, don’t ya think?
Hell Yes. Bush was a train wreck. He didn’t act like a conservative when it came to spending, that is for sure. No one else in the party told him to knock it off either. When the GOP had congress they were abused their lead.
Party labels are meaningless.
The PUMAS put up a good fight.
You are correct. I’m a republican, and it sickened me to see the months of McCain bashing, and to hear the months of McCain bashing from Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Glenn Beck, and other talk radio folks. Limbaugh called McCain “Yosemite Sam” up until the election.
I went to a McCain rally the night before the election here in NV, and let me tell you, the man was extremely impressive. His rally speech was a better presentation of small government, strong military, anti-corruption principles than I have ever heard GW Bush say. I’d even let Bush combine all his speeches from the last 8 years. McCain blew him away.
But Limbaugh, Ingraham, Beck and the rest love Bush, and supported him monolilthically in 2004. They fawned all over thim during that election, and their listeners came out in droves.
So yeah, republicans stabbed McCain and the nation in the back. Limbaugh should be ashamed of himself, but I know he’s not capable of that.
I have one question and it is one that creeps me out. What happened to Corsi and those Senate e-mails. I recall he got sick upon his return after being held captive in Kenya. But not a word from him since.
This is of concern as Odinga had agreed to Sharia Law. Obama was out there campaigning for him and directing him. Odinga also had CHANGE in his campaign.
The media is no longer alive, it is cheer leading group for Obama. The next step is starting some independent media groups and dropping all the cheer leaders.
This is another aspect that has me flumexed. How in God’s name was the Odinga incident able to be so effectively scrubbed by the media.
In my opinion this was more politically lethal than the Ayers thing ever was.
In Orwell’s 1984 it is called the memory hole.
Also how is it that Hillary’s opposition research failed to turn up anything on reverend Wright? If they had done so she would be president.
It was Hannity who exposed Reverand Wright. And this combined with Operation Chaos almost gave the primary to Hillary. Where was Clinton’s dirt digging team?
I have no idea.
I always thought the only one that would report any neg was Fox, BUT the reason I think they sat on the Odingo story was because their damn friend Dick Morris was involved up to his ears in Odingo, so instead of protecting the Country they protected Morris.
I would give my life to not have Obama as president (Please don’t call me a racist).
So to save Dick Morris’ reputation FOX sold out the country? What did he have to do with Odinga?
You know Corsi was all over the talk radio circuit talking about Odinga. Even still it was dropped. WTF?
Obama was calling his cousin Odinga during the NH primary. Odinga has or is trying to impose Sharia law in Kenya.
search here for Odingo and Morris, I know all about Odingo?Obama ect NQ hs been posting on it for months
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/obamas-african-hubris-2/
…..Former Clinton aides currently working for Obama were the “mutual acquaintances” who directed Dick Morris to Kenya to advise the Odinga campaign in November of 2007, shortly after Odinga visited with Obama in America. Morris was an extremely divisive factor in the Kenyan elections, as a foreigner, a white man, and the creator of an antagonistic “have vs. have nots” campaign platform for Odinga’s ODM. He also suggested the current campaign of civil disobedience to protest the election result, including a “Million Person March”, a la Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam……
Thanks for the link.
I read part of it. It sickened me. Now I need a tranquilizer. This web of deceit gets bigger every day.
God Help Us.
and the sad part is Larry wrote this in JANUARY and noone cared
Every time Hillary tried to expose some dirt about Obama she was accused of being a racist. You don’t remember that?
Yes I do. Obama played the race card every other day.
But what normally happens is that say the Clinton opposition research had dug up a video of Rev Wright. They could have leaked it to the media. Surrogates would take it from there.
And Hillary would be president.
But it seems that even the Clintons didn’t know about Rev Wright. Hannity found it first.
I don’t think the MSM reported anything the Clintons found. I know for a fact many here emailed all of the MSM the odingo stuff in Jan and the Ayers stuff months ago when Larry reported it…crickets. The MSM including Fox sat on mything that would help Hillary and then Mccain
Perhaps if the Republicans that crossed over to support Obama’s be a Dem for a day campaign to stop Hillary, voted in their own party, early in the primaries, because they wanted to run against Obama, NOne of us would have had to choose between Obama and McCain.
I think the number showed mnay PUMAs showed up and voted for Mccain. alot of the states were close (especially considering all the voter fraud) and with that many more Dems voting than Republicans Obama should have won almost every state.
Operation Chaos is a joke. Obama got most of the Republican crossover voting in the primaries, even in Texas, 53-46%, after Limbaugh called for Operation Chaos. Before that, Obama got almost 75% of Republican votes in Va. and Wis. In Pa, he actively campaigned for it with Democrat for a Day.
Republicans for Obama started in 2006. Obama got 44% of Republican votes in Iowa, and Republican crossover in the GE likely more than offset PUMA’s influence.
I just think it’s hilarious that you are trying to blame the RUSH effect. It was a myth and has been proven so. Republicans crossed over all right, but they didn’t vote for Hillary, they voted for Obama in droves in the caucuses sitting side by side with the people Obama imported from other states. The Obama campaign sent out emails, even passed out fliers in several states urging Republicans to do it even if it violated state laws to “Stop Clintons plans for the White House Forever!” and the Republicans bought it hook line and sinker. And this was long before Rush Limpballs opened his fat drug addict mouth.
Face it, the polls clearly show a large portion of the Republican religious base did not go out and vote. If Clinton supporters hadn’t voted for McCain, it would not have been a semi close race, McCain would have lost by a much larger margin. And if you want to know who is to blame for the Obamessiah…follow the MONEY. The same corrupt corporate morons who gave us GW Bush were behind Obama. Hell even Obama’s real estate fairy Antoin Rezko was a Bush supporter!
And I don’t hear anyone here who isn’t a known Obamaton troll claiming the Republicans are sexists or even racists. We all know there are those among ALL parties that are both, but the biggest players of the race and sex card outside the Obama campaign itself has been the MSM. If you need someone to focus your anger on, thats who the target should be and deservedly so. We PUMA’s have been screaming about this and what a corrupt, empty suit Obama is for a damn year! We saw what was coming before the first ballot was cast in the primaries, and were here trying to get the information out. Did you NOY realize something fishy was going on way back when the DNC decided to strip Florida and Michigan of all of their votes in direct violation of their own rules?!? By January there were already sites popping up all over the place covering what people knew about Obama that the MSM refused to report on IE:rezkowatch. Check the archives on this very site and you will see Larry Johnson has been writing articles exposing Obama right here since last November!
Geo:
There is plenty of blame to go around and plenty “canny behavior” from Obama. But it is true that millions of Reps and Independents that tends to vote Republican that voted in 2004 did not show up this time. And it is also true that a great number of Reps.and Independent that usually vote republican voted for Obama (they say that b/c of economy) in places like VA, NC, IN.
Why Obama won? Do you really believe this country turn a left/center-left nation all of the sudden?
And less not forget the despicable behavior of the presumable republican/conservatives pundits drooling on Obama ( think David Brooks, etc) and people like Powell and McClella: these people didn’t tip the balance but the did create a certain perception of Obama was “special” and “acceptable”. The MSM behavior by and large was uniformly Obama’s propaganda’s arm.
Geo - I am not blaming the sexism on repubs, I am asking why so many of them stayed home, and didn’t vote. And the dems are no longer my party.
If you look at the numbers of who voted, millions of repubs didn’t vote.
Ann Coulter says 2010 won’t change a thing because only Republican seats are up. It can’t change the balance for the Republicans. I don’t know where she got this info from and would like to know if anyone finds it. It’s really sickening.
PS: Show of hands please for those who believe the 100,100 GA voters registered in Ohio, and Fl never placed multiple votes -
thanks for the post but I think sane, logical people know all in all, the reason Obama won was because he’e a lying cheating punk thug and has been throughout his entire career. Lies, cheating, intimidation, you name it, they did it.
More than likely he is not even a legal citizen of the US. He won’t produce his birth certificate. So either he was born in Kenya or he was born in Hawaii and lost his citizenship in the US when he moved to Indonesia.
His school records likely show unimpressive grades as well as some questionable school behavior. Why does no one remember him??
His medical records likely reveal something about his birthplace as well. But when people think it’s ok to let millions of people come into our country illegally, collect welfare and take our jobs, get free medical care that we pay for, what do you expect.
OT, but people can cry, whine, moan and complain about being victims and they can’t get ahead because they are black. But let’s be real, when people will not work, engage in illegal behavior, constantly blame other people for their problems, does that sound like a plan for getting ahead?? “you reap what you sow”, you get out of life what you put into it not what the government does.
Want to focus your righteous indignation on practical rabblerousing? Email me, at twice my initials at gm. I need help! (Devising the strategies to combat the debacle that is President Obama and conducting the research necessary to perfect the plan consumes too much time and human capital to allow timely implementation.)
Go look at anystreet.org. They are looking to organize and are asking for volunteers. If we could focus on being in ONE place, it would help get a loud and consistent message across…
I thought the reason Obama won the election was due to his cult following. Those who would change their position on issues to mirror Obama’s ever evolving positions. Some didn’t know anything more about Obama than “hope and change.”
Howard Stern sent one of his employees out on the street asking Obama supporters if they agreed with Obama’s stances on issues. He gave them a few examples. Of course they all agreed with Obama completely. The funny part about this is….They weren’t Obama’s positions, they were McCains. Ignorance is bliss.
And they thought Obama’s choice for VP, Sarah Palin, was GREAT!
Worked for aka Obama.
I am against early voting and exit polls.
This just proves to me when the media starts calling the race before the ENTIRE country has a chance to vote , it diminishes voter turn-out in the western states. But then again, let’s not forget the voter fraud in this election.
I beginning to think the only people in this country who should vote are taxpayers and those who are on Social Security. The youth vote is useless, they never turn out unless of course they are handing out free koolaid.
I agree…in Indiana we passed a law where people have to show photo ID. Dem’s pissed and moaned because it would disenfranchise the poor and homeless! If the homeless don’t even care about having a place to live I am damn sure they don’t give a shit who is President. All they are worried about is their next free meal. At any rate, most people contributing to society already have some sort of photo ID.
I know they can’t do this but I think if people took a short simple quiz and don’t know the answers, no voting. Did you see the Howard Stern clip? They were asking people on the street who they supported. When they said Obama they swapped McCain’s issues and said they were Obama’s. They didn’t even know the difference. Some even thought Palin was Obama’s running mate!
We need a national voter database - to prevent voters from voting absentee in one state and in person in another.
Hmmm….wonder how many college students (and others) voted twice in the primary and general…
Some Georgians voted in 2 states -
http://www.wsbtv.com/politics/17876720/detail.html
~”I am against early voting and exit polls.”~
Oh, how I agree with you! All voting should be done at the same time, on the same day, with a paid day off from work so everyone has an equal chance to vote! Absentee ballots should be strictly regulated and accounted for (absentee ballots gave GWB many of his 546 votes which made him “president”.
And registration should not be done by political parties or employees of organizations like ACORN who have no accountability but by professional public servants (hired government employees) who must certify every registration they take (thus eliminating Mickey and his friends, Lenin and Hitler and Osama bin Lauden before they get on the registry). A basic step for free and honest elections in a democracy is accountability and swift punishment for those caught abusing the voter registration process.
CS you said everything I have been thinking. I totally agree and have thought the same myself lately.
Here! Here!
It would be hard to punish those who abused the voting process since you can bet no one will look into it.
I’m all for a national database where your registration is verified as being the only true registration — registering in a new state nixes the previous registrations.
Also, how bout we take a lesson from the Iraqi’s and dip our finger in indelible ink??? If it’s good enough for them, it’s good enough for me!!!
I am not sure that I believe these numbers. Do the verifiable votes (paper?) match the trends in the untrackable (machines)?
I saw so much cheating that I have a bit of trouble believing that Republicans just did not turn out this year. Against the most liberal opponent? Conservatives watch Fox? Then they had motivation to come out as well because they got to see a little bit of Obama’s scary associations and style.
Maybe those voters weren’t quite sure he was legit…
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/scotus-souter-t.html
My question: What happens if BO defies the SCOTUS also? Will they just look the other way, or are we headed into some very uncharted waters?
Obama may not want to release his “vaulted” birth certificate due to embarrassing information; it may not be about his citizenship. I’ve read that some bloggers believe it has something to do with who his father is.
I think this is a misunderstanding of what the Court requested. They asked for a response to the Writ of Certiorari. I don’t know why anyone is thinking this asks for him to produce his BC. (much to my chagrin). You can follow this at Obamacrimes Mr. Berg’s website and at Americas Right -a great place to learn about the Constitution.
Close the loop holes. No groups like ACORN. Make abuses misdeamenors and attach fines and they go away. Enforce them. Make them national. All states must have the same standards for voters. Have a national register for voters. That way you don’t have to be concerned that people are voting in multiple states. This is a fixable problem. The fact of the matter is that no one wants to fix it.
OK, the election is over we did not get our canidate in the primary becasue of fraud. I posted my experience in Iowa of the bus load of people I saw going from Chicago to Iowa. Anyone in sales or marketing can attest that this was the greatest marketing campaign ever in the history of our country. So now what do we do? We have to be vocal in not making this country or class of people a welfare society. Everyone that lives in the great country should know that there is a price to pay. We have to be a louder crowd than the Orange Demon’s in not allowing a Society Security Refund to people that will take advantage of the beneift without contribution. We have to a voice so strong in protest of a socialist society that no others can be heard. Thinking of this in the last few days I came up is, I want to be equal! I want to share in the burden of highways, security, etc. Maybe The Huck was right, level taxes.
Great post, American girl in Italy. Rock bottom, the Republicans allowed the most inexperienced, unscrupulous, and divisive man in history to become President by not going to the polls to vote. At least 5 million Republicans (mostly Christian evangelicals) sat this one out because they did not like McCain or he was not right on some issue or other.
I hope I am wrong. But if Obama is as bad as I think, and if he implements some of his campaign policies, and most troubling, if he begins to consolidate power and use his massive email and text messaging list to harangue the opposition (like where Obama’s supporters over powered a radio station doing an interview with Kurtz) we will devolve into fascism very quickly. THAT WORRIES ME GREATLY. . No, that scares the hell out of me. We must be very vigilant these next four years
Hmmmm…I think more will be revealed over the next few months….Barky has to show his Vault BC by Dec. 1.
wca -
I clicked on the red states on the electoral map, and two of the reddest were TX and TN.
My first plan was to escape to Canada, but I have a disabled relative who greatly depends on me, I would not feel right abandoning him. However I am now considering a move to one of those very red states, don’t know if it would be feasible for me to bring relative along, but we’ll see…
Pam , I agree but there are legitimate people that need Social Security and have paid into it. However in saying that, I do have a problem with giving another stimulus package.
Social Security is different than being on Welfare. Whereas on welfare, most people on it CAN work !!!!
I suspect that not only did many Republicans not like McCain but they really didn’t want to win this election because they thought it would become a thankless task. Better to let the Dems have the mess, blame them for not solving all the problems, then come back in the next Congressional election and make gains. Then four years from now they can put in someone more compatible with their ideology.
I think this election is about the death of feminism. I believe that many Republicans just decided not to participate, because they are sexist. We know that many Democrats are, because of how they treated Hillary Clinton. Yep, the news about this election is that young women and many of their “adult” sisters don’t have the foggiest understanding of what feminism is or what it means for them.
They think it is about abortion rights. It isn’t. As a women who fought for the passage of the ERA I can tell you that we were fighting for equal rights for all people. We do not hate men and do not want anything taken away from them. We want an opportunity to fulfill our potentials and to make the best contributions possible to our families and our country. Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton both optimized these objectives.
But we live in the time of the child. Where women think more about how they look and what they can buy than who they are and what they are doing. With a complete loss of civility and dignity, men feel free to be pornographically vicious, openly hostile and unapologetically arrogant when dealing with women.
Sarah Palin was crucified because she is a pretty, accomplished woman who threatens all the stereotypes held by both men and women about politicians. I think many so-called feminists are simply jealous of her success and accomplishments. That’s why they had to put everything she did or said down. (God if Obama had been held to the same standards or if Biden had been asked about his drinking issues, this might have been a fair fight; but they were given passes and she is still being dumped on.) I don’t agree with many of her views, but I have fought my life for her right to have them and for her right to apply her many talents to the benefit of this country. Talking about her wardrobe is a comment on those making them; not on her.
All women have lost because Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin not only lost, but because they were shunned and denigrated for their audacity in trying to make a difference. This country has been reduced to a pathetic, bunch of children with no better skills than throwing sand and name-calling; and who want Santa Claus to give them whatever they dream of….
Obama isn’t the answer. Growing up is….
You are a FREAKING MORON. I do not know of a SINGLE person, nor have I read a single post anywhere on the internet where a republican sat out the election because of Palin.
You Dems have got some Jackass misconceptions about reality. Nice work on spawning a marxist and infiltrating Leftists policies in education and the media.
You have some fucking nerve blaming republicans.
WE NOMINATED A WOMAN. You FUCK-HOLES DID NOT.
You FUCK-HOLES DID NOTYour Party did not.Better
Geo- please stop with the name calling!
I see your post below where you state that PUMAs and moderate Rs can’t work together because of false accusations about sexism…
All of us are disappointed in the outcome and clearly a misogynistic hit job was done on Palin. Not just by the media but by the very women who should have been uplifted and empowered by her candidacy. I don’t know a single R either who voted against Palin. However anyone who posts here is entitled to their opinion, and let’s face it there’s sexist Republicans as well as Dems and every other affiliation, it’s human nature.
Please let us all get on the same page. We DO need to work together. None of these opinions is meant as a personal insult to you.
I agree but to say that Repubs sat out the election because Repubs are sexists against Palin is patently false. And when PUMAS don’t chime in to correct this it makes me wonder what gives.
Rasmusian’s poll says 91% of GOP approved of the Palin VP pick. That is a really high number considering Romney was a contender. It is absurd to attribute the 9% to sexism.
But lets work together. We must rid ourselves of Obama ASAP. He has already dissed Nancy Reagan for something that Hillary did with the Eleanor Roosevelt seances. I think he was trying to dis them both. He hates women. It’s a fact.
Go PUMAS,
I am going down to the Repub campaign office to tell them to take me off their friggin list. McCain has not defended the latest round of gossip attacks on Palin coming from his own staffers.
Sorry I got so unnerved.
There is way too much cloak and dagger in this election.
Rasmussen released a poll. 91% of Republicans approve of Palin as VP Pick. So your theory about us sitting out the election because we are sexist is way off the mark, and it is disgraceful.
I will wait for a PUMA to agree with me. If not I see no future in moderate republicans like myself joining PUMAS to get us out of this mess until these false acquisitions about sexism cease.
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I’ll try again. My first reply did not post.
Geo, I’m a PUMA Democrat and I can say that I do agree with you in that this country is in dire need of a moderate party that is not far left or right. Until this happens, there will never be unity.
I personally do not blame Palin for the McCain loss. I blame the media, first and foremost. They brought us Obamanation the best reality tv show for the last 2 years. At what expense? Trashing democracy and women for all to watch and learn from. I have never heard the “you’re a racist” comment thrown around so much in my life! For little kids to be calling eachother this brings sadness to me. I can not see how this whole election cycle will be positive for anyone.
We had a chance to make history here - to elect a President that spent his entire life working and fighting for this country. How did we recognize this dedication? We elected an inexperienced man with many flaws that we actually know of, whose supporters can’t even identify and say who this man really is. What message does this send to children? Obviously, the White House is for sale .. very pathetic.
I for one was awoken from my comma that the Republicans were evil and the Democrats were angels. I could not have been more wrong. I finally realized evil wears no color - it’s equally red and blue. I just hope that many republicans will realize this in the future as well for I think everyone that posts on this site realizes, we as Americans have to elect a President that is for Country first and not a party that is corrupt and power hungry.
Hi Boxer,
Things did not turn out as we expected, however if you still want to get together for a libation, I’m still up for it!
I would love to. If nothing else comes out of this mess - at least we have realized that regardless of party, we share many of the same beliefs.
Beautifully said Boxer Mum.
I would like to get together in a room full of PUMAS and dispell all there divisive stereo-types that we have about each other.
I think the powers hat be want to divide us so they focus on wedge issues and this caused the desired polarization. We have to fight this. I will tone down my rhetoric. I went ballistic over the latest attack on Palin AFTER the election.
They are so afraid of her. She is a reformer who doesn’t play their game. McCain insiders now want to destroy her.
Millions of repubs stayed home. And the Republicans did not nominate a woman, McCain selected a woman as his running mate.
I don’t believe the majority stayed home because she is a woman, I think they stayed home because the didn’t like McCain, he isn’t conservative enough. I also think that a lot stayed home because of the negative press Palin got - people were worried about her becoming President, should something happen. And THAT has been discussed to death in the news.
But, bottom line, millions of repubs stayed home. So, why don’t you tell us why, instead of swearing at us, and calling us names?
Hmmmm.
I don’t think that it is because of the Republicans sexism towards Sarah that they did not show up and vote. In fact, she is probably one of the reasons that McCain got the votes he did get and turn out wasn’t lower.
Remember how many stadiums that Sarah filled? More than McCain.
Truthfully, all of the reasons why Democrats considered McCain as “not bad for a Republican” (at least before this election) were the same reasons that Republicans didn’t care for him, and ultimately why they could not hold their noses for him.
I just don’t buy that it was sexism that caused the Repubs not to show up.
While bush was busy destroying the repub party [and most of the known world] elected rupblicans at best did nothing at worst cheered bush on. Then elected repubs hung mccain out to dry. Repubs deserved to lose but we didn’t deserve obama.
Could’a should’a been:
What if it had been Hillary?
There’s no way to be sure, but she might have won by even more than Obama did.
Voters in the Obama-McCain race said they would have preferred Hillary Rodham Clinton over McCain by 51 percent to 41 percent, a larger margin than Obama’s 53-46 win.
Among the differences: Women say they would have backed Clinton over McCain by 18 percentage points, bigger than Obama’s 12-point advantage with them. Whites favored McCain over Obama by 12 points but leaned toward the Republican by a narrower 5 points against Clinton. Eighty-six percent of blacks would have backed Clinton — solid, but shy of the 95 percent who supported Obama. Clinton almost matched the two-thirds of people under age 30 who voted for Obama, but nearly one in 10 of them said they wouldn’t have bothered voting at all.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_el_pr/party_vs_ideology;_ylt=
AlW_xZRL7u.OhsjuCUH3j6qyFz4D
The Age of Post-Journalism
http://patriotroom.com/?p=4052
I read the article.
They can and they will. They have too much invested in this election not to see Obama succeed even if they have to cover up for Obama in order to do so. That’s why we need to call the media out every chance we get. We need to fight against the “fairness doctrine” that will silence any decending voices.
I agree with ACPD that this election is about the death of feminism, but not because of sexism by Republicans. I never heard or saw Republicans wearing t-shirts with, “Bros before ho’s” or heard them say “Hillary Clinton is a fucking whore”. Attitudes and statements like those came from the groups the Democrats courted and relied on.
I would say this election signals that Americans are comfortable discriminating against women. Effigies of Sarah Palin are funny; effigies of 0bama are cause for arrest.
For the NC county that I live in, the Democrats won the smaller political races only if a black (always Democratic) candidate was running. If two whites ran, then usually the Republican won. Republican women candidates won almost all of the smaller races that they ran for. As a result, the county commissioners, the agriculture and conservation commissioners, and the judges are now almost entirely Republicans.
In North Carolina, there is a thin layer of Democrats in the highest political offices but solid Republican dominance at the lowest and middle levels. Where is the next generation of Democratic leader going to come from?
Sorry, Howard Dean, there wasn’t any real groundswell of Democratic voters, just identity voting by blacks. If Republicans are smart, they will find a few black candidates of their own, like Colin Powell, and eliminate one of the Democratic Party’s advantages.
And like ACPD, I think we are now living in the time of the child, where wishful thinking substitutes for adult reasoning. “Growing up” will probably be left to the generations that follow, as they will have to pick up the pieces left behind on this planet by these permanent adolescents.
Thank You! Thank You! You have restored my faith in rational PUMAS. Republicans LOVE PALIN. We did not sit out because of sexism. Palin ignited our base like I have never seen. It was McCain that was the drag on the ticket.
Good points.
“Identity” politics played a role. A black republican friend of mine decided to “sit this one out”, and black repubs in his circle actually voted for Obama, even though they ideologically disagreed with him, because “it was time”!!!
Here’s an interesting article that describes the same phenomenon of the Republicans deciding to sit this election out.
The author of this article predicted a McCain/Palin victory prior to the election. He based his prediction on the assumtion that basically the same # of republicans would show up at the polls as in 2004. He estimated that nationwide McCain Palin needed less than the 15% of PUMA’s that actually did vote - actually less than a million PUMA’s were needed to pull a victory, IF all the republicans from 2004 showed up.
However, for whatever reason, they did not. And, according to his analysis, it was not because they defected to Obama. Only 6% of R’s voted for Obama. They just decided not to bother voting.
Here is the link where Marston analyzes why his original prediction was wrong and the low Republican turn out as one of the reasons:
http://www.marstonchronicles.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=98&Itemid=122
I appreciate your posting of this article, I read his analysis before the election, and am now interested in what he has to say about the aftermath.
Just more HYPE by O-shit and his party.
Thank you for this post.
Dear Geo,
I voted for, worked for and supported McCain and Palin. So, I think you should look where your own head is and examine your own thinking. If you can’t see sexism–which doesn’t surprise me, since most of the country can’t–then that’s your problem. The fact remains that 52% of Republicans who voted during the primaries sat it out. That cost McCain the election.
Throwing a childish, temper tantrum only proves my point that we are lacking in rational, grown ups in this country of spoiled children who have never dealt with their dependency issues with their mothers….
Special: Obama Bought Election with $650 Million
A Newsmax special report by Kenneth Timmerman finds that Barack Obama beat John McCain for one reason: he spent more. Obama raised a record-breaking $650 million. But now new questions have emerged about shadowy foreign donations in excess of $60 million. And Obama still has not released the names of donors who gave him almost $300 million.
MEDIA BOYCOTT — I TOO AM CALLING FOR A BOYCOTT OF A CORRUPT MEDIA. BIAS IS ONE THING — ABSOLUTE CORRUPTION AND DISHONESTY IS QUITE ANOTHER. PLEASE JOIN US IN CANCELING SUBSCRIPTIONS TO THE FOLLOWING PAPERS:
NY TIMES
WASHINGTON POST
LOS ANGELES TIMES
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICAL
BOSTON GLOBE
ALSO, PLEASE TUNE OUT OF:
NBC - NEWS AND PROGRAMS BUT ESPECIALLY NEWS - MSNBC (THAT’S TOO SILLY TO WATCH ANYWAY)
ABC - NEWS AND PROGRAMS
CBS - NEWS AND PROGRAMS
CNN (EXCEPT FOR LOU DOBBS)
FOX - Take your pick — I no longer watch Bill O’Reilly — not because I believe he share’s Obama’s world view, but because he pandered to Obama and showed no courage at all. He also allowed Carl Cameron to smear Palin yesterdaay — and commended him. Fox has gone from FAIR AND BALANCED, TO DULL AND BORING — EXCEPT FOR ON THE RECORD, WITH GRETA AND SEAN HANNITY’S APPEARANCES.
Great list - I totally agree. I refuse to give these liars a lick of attention.
I would add some websites: Huffington - Daily Kos, and Politico.
Screw them all. I’ve gotten so angry before I went on my fast I contacted some advertisers and told them I was pissing off these stations and their products.
Now I find myself listening to talk radio - can’t believe it - life long Dem, liberal and I listen to Rush, Laura Ingram, Sean Hannity, Monica Crowley. At least, at least I haven’t caught them lying yet.
And one more note- it occurred to me to call Rush and let him know this is partly his fault. He called for operation chaos that killed off Hillary - and helped O-no. On top of that he criticized the hell out of McCain calling him Yosemite Sam, etc - that’s why I think a portion of those sit on my butt Republicans didn’t show up. He screwed up big time.
I’m already there. I dumped all of those news channels in the spring (except occasional Fox) & stopped reading LAT, NYT & wapo over the summer. It feels great. Like breaking free from being under an endless stream of bs. Thanks for posting this great list maggie.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. Yes, Republican turnout was low - personally, I chalk this up to them being demoralized by slanted reporting and the $600 million media blitz. However, we Dems (and I still am one) need to face some facts:
- *Our* party killed campaign finance reform. From this point on, the Presidency is for sale to the highest bidder. This is *our* fault. Every last bit of progress that has been made on this issue since the Nixon administration has been erased, and *we* did it.
- *Our* party violated its own rules to nominate the least qualified Presidential candidate since Warren G. Harding.
- *Our* party was suckered by an empty cult of personality and meaningless slogans.
- *Our* party sanctioned thuggery, bullying, race-baiting, and fraud to win both the nomination and the election.
- And finally, *our* party perpetrated a vile, misogynistic smear campaign against both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. The national party stood idly by while this happened during the primaries and caucuses, and actively participated in it during the GE. *We* (the party that championed the ERA) have set women’s rights back decades.
There are probably a few dozen other Democratic sins I could name if I sat down and thought about it, but this is just what popped into my head over the last 5 minutes.
Frankly, I think we have enough to answer for. I’m perfectly content to let the Republicans figure out what went wrong on their end. I would ask that PUMAs and Republicans refrain from forming a “circular firing squad” - if we turn on each other, we’ll never accomplish anything.
It’s too damned late to worry about what happened last Tuesday. The question is, where do we go from *here*?
The Vote we made on Tuesday was a joke on America,we the People fell for the biggest hoax ever.The movie
How come there are no stats for the dead voters?
How about those 100,000+ Georgia voters are also registered to vote in Florida or Ohio. (gretawire and elsewhere on the net).
How about those invisible people that get bused from state to state to vote, those were the same invisibles that did their stealth voting in the Primaries.
How about the electronic voting machines that flipped votes?
That’s how I believe Obama won. Flat out fraud.
In my county, turn-out was 82% of registered voters, which is a huge surge.
But yes, I saw this article.