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		<title>By: Bob White</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/12/canaries-dying-in-the-mine-shaft/#comment-1033690</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know why I took a swing at Obamabots for the over-reaction to the economic crisis with more piles of debt.  That was Bush and Paulson's doing.  It's just that I don't see any "change" coming from Obama on that score -- just more gov't debt used to buy more control of private sector assets under the guise of a bailout.

Stimulus packages like the kind Hillary has suggested do not work -- they never work.  Hoover tried  them.  FDR doubled and tripled that effort.  The world stayed in Depression for a decade or more.  Carter tried stimulus packages.  They don't work.  Temporary gov't work is not a substitute for a job created by the free market.

If Obama were to adopt McCain's very good idea of cutting the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%, every business in America would get an immediate and permanent boost.  That would save and perhaps create jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why I took a swing at Obamabots for the over-reaction to the economic crisis with more piles of debt.  That was Bush and Paulson&#8217;s doing.  It&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t see any &#8220;change&#8221; coming from Obama on that score &#8212; just more gov&#8217;t debt used to buy more control of private sector assets under the guise of a bailout.</p>
<p>Stimulus packages like the kind Hillary has suggested do not work &#8212; they never work.  Hoover tried  them.  FDR doubled and tripled that effort.  The world stayed in Depression for a decade or more.  Carter tried stimulus packages.  They don&#8217;t work.  Temporary gov&#8217;t work is not a substitute for a job created by the free market.</p>
<p>If Obama were to adopt McCain&#8217;s very good idea of cutting the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%, every business in America would get an immediate and permanent boost.  That would save and perhaps create jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob White</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/12/canaries-dying-in-the-mine-shaft/#comment-1033628</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US gov't is "on the hook" for $5 trillion, but most of that is from backing mortgages like mine which were bundled and sold through the Frannies.  Most mortgages are not sub-prime or Alt-A and very few of those are in foreclosure.  Most sub-prime are not in foreclosure, either.  So most of that $5 trillion is a safe bet.

Bear in mind that things will get instantly better (in the press, as least) as soon as the One is inaugurated.  People like chris Matthews think it is their job to make Obama succeed (he said so explicitly to Joe Scarborough, as if we couldn't tell from the campaign coverage).

This economy was talked into the toilet by Obama and the MSM who were in the tank for Obama.  Now that they've talked everybody into being discouraged and scared, what are they going to do?

This is reminiscent of the "crisis" that Frederich Hayek suggests always precedes a gov't takeover of private industry and assets.  He wrote this in "Road to Serfdom".  

Welcome to serfdom!  Let's all say, "Thanks, Obamabots!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US gov&#8217;t is &#8220;on the hook&#8221; for $5 trillion, but most of that is from backing mortgages like mine which were bundled and sold through the Frannies.  Most mortgages are not sub-prime or Alt-A and very few of those are in foreclosure.  Most sub-prime are not in foreclosure, either.  So most of that $5 trillion is a safe bet.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that things will get instantly better (in the press, as least) as soon as the One is inaugurated.  People like chris Matthews think it is their job to make Obama succeed (he said so explicitly to Joe Scarborough, as if we couldn&#8217;t tell from the campaign coverage).</p>
<p>This economy was talked into the toilet by Obama and the MSM who were in the tank for Obama.  Now that they&#8217;ve talked everybody into being discouraged and scared, what are they going to do?</p>
<p>This is reminiscent of the &#8220;crisis&#8221; that Frederich Hayek suggests always precedes a gov&#8217;t takeover of private industry and assets.  He wrote this in &#8220;Road to Serfdom&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Welcome to serfdom!  Let&#8217;s all say, &#8220;Thanks, Obamabots!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. Thanks so much.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's clearly the fault of unions that water bills are so high. If they had no right to organize we could have cheap water for everyone. Right to work is what's for breakfast, lunch and dinner....


...in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clearly the fault of unions that water bills are so high. If they had no right to organize we could have cheap water for everyone. Right to work is what&#8217;s for breakfast, lunch and dinner&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Sassy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/12/canaries-dying-in-the-mine-shaft/#comment-1031463</link>
		<dc:creator>Sassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am extremely concerned about the economic news, from an over all perspective, and on a personal level.
When one interview sends the market plummeting, and there does not appear to be any cohesive approach, it does not bode well for the coming months or longer.
I suspect that Republicans who sat out this election want the dems to take the heat this time.
What will Hoover and Obama have in common?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am extremely concerned about the economic news, from an over all perspective, and on a personal level.<br />
When one interview sends the market plummeting, and there does not appear to be any cohesive approach, it does not bode well for the coming months or longer.<br />
I suspect that Republicans who sat out this election want the dems to take the heat this time.<br />
What will Hoover and Obama have in common?</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Financial Crisis
Washington's $5 Trillion Tab

Elizabeth Moyer, 11.12.08, 5:15 PM ET 

http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/11/12/paulson-bernanke-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1112bailout.html


&lt;blockquote&gt;For all the fury over Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's $700 billion emergency economic relief fund, it seems downright puny when compared to the running total of the government's response to the credit crisis.

According to CreditSights, a research firm in New York and London, &lt;strong&gt;the U.S. government has put itself on the hook for some $5 trillion, so far, in an attempt to arrest a collapse of the financial system.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Financial Crisis<br />
Washington&#8217;s $5 Trillion Tab</p>
<p>Elizabeth Moyer, 11.12.08, 5:15 PM ET </p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/11/12/paulson-bernanke-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1112bailout.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/11/12/paulson-bernanke-fed-biz-wall-cx_lm_1112bailout.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>For all the fury over Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson&#8217;s $700 billion emergency economic relief fund, it seems downright puny when compared to the running total of the government&#8217;s response to the credit crisis.</p>
<p>According to CreditSights, a research firm in New York and London, <strong>the U.S. government has put itself on the hook for some $5 trillion, so far, in an attempt to arrest a collapse of the financial system.</strong></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/12/canaries-dying-in-the-mine-shaft/#comment-1031353</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't listen to the "optimists" about our financial implosion. Be afraid; be very afraid. And, whether you want to or not, listen to Doctor Doom. He's been right since 2005 and has guided my financial planning, and I'm grateful every day that I heeded his warnings, because I prepared for the current implosion. This article is painful to read, but everyone should read it. 

The Worst Is Not Behind Us

http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/12/recession-global-economy-oped-cx_nr_1113roubini_print.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t listen to the &#8220;optimists&#8221; about our financial implosion. Be afraid; be very afraid. And, whether you want to or not, listen to Doctor Doom. He&#8217;s been right since 2005 and has guided my financial planning, and I&#8217;m grateful every day that I heeded his warnings, because I prepared for the current implosion. This article is painful to read, but everyone should read it. </p>
<p>The Worst Is Not Behind Us</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/12/recession-global-economy-oped-cx_nr_1113roubini_print.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/12/recession-global-economy-oped-cx_nr_1113roubini_print.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: StillloveHill</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/12/canaries-dying-in-the-mine-shaft/#comment-1031256</link>
		<dc:creator>StillloveHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to the movies this weekend -- it was much more costly than just renting a dvd or watching TV (if I don't count how much Comcast costs). I don't think I'll be going out to the movies  much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the movies this weekend &#8212; it was much more costly than just renting a dvd or watching TV (if I don&#8217;t count how much Comcast costs). I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be going out to the movies  much.</p>
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		<title>By: John Whitney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about “whitey” describe it as “STUNNING.” I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features &lt;strong&gt;Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan&lt;/strong&gt;. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!! &lt;strong&gt;When that image comes out it will enter the politcal ads hall of fame.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about “whitey” describe it as “STUNNING.” I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features <strong>Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan</strong>. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!! <strong>When that image comes out it will enter the politcal ads hall of fame.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Pennsylvania Red</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/12/canaries-dying-in-the-mine-shaft/#comment-1031210</link>
		<dc:creator>Pennsylvania Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can't even compare the movies of the Golden Era of Hollywood to the absolute tripe that is currently oozing out of that "entertainment" cesspool.

&lt;em&gt;(No offense to any poster here who works in the industry.  The only recent release I've even contemplated paying money to see is Flash of Genius.)&lt;/em&gt;

Aside from providing a peek into the lives of the rich and famous, Warner Bros. famously made their name by producing movies that were all too real, that explored the grittier side of life. Yes we now chuckle at some of the cliches and the outdated attitudes, however the ONE thing the old school moguls knew how to do was to cater to their audience and actually sell tickets.

Maybe there's layoffs currently because nobody in flyover country wants to buy the weak product that is being sold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t even compare the movies of the Golden Era of Hollywood to the absolute tripe that is currently oozing out of that &#8220;entertainment&#8221; cesspool.</p>
<p><em>(No offense to any poster here who works in the industry.  The only recent release I&#8217;ve even contemplated paying money to see is Flash of Genius.)</em></p>
<p>Aside from providing a peek into the lives of the rich and famous, Warner Bros. famously made their name by producing movies that were all too real, that explored the grittier side of life. Yes we now chuckle at some of the cliches and the outdated attitudes, however the ONE thing the old school moguls knew how to do was to cater to their audience and actually sell tickets.</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s layoffs currently because nobody in flyover country wants to buy the weak product that is being sold.</p>
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		<title>By: Pennsylvania Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pennsylvania Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the economy is contracting, that we're headed for recessionary bad times, I've held on to a job that I'm not crazy about for the very reason that it is in a recession-resistant industry.

&lt;em&gt;However&lt;/em&gt; - a friend and I went out for dinner last nite, our first choice of restaurant was PACKED, the parking lot was full, it was a one-hour wait.

We went to a place next door, in the same price range, maybe a little higher, which filled up with the overflow from the first place. (Neither of these is a cheap venue.)

A couple weeks ago the Phils won the World Series.
The only reason I went to Modell's for shirts is because I had a Chicagoan with me who wanted to take home souvenirs for her boy. The line in the Modell's was so long it literally made a "U" around the perimeter of the store. And sports memorabilia is usually top dollar for junk product.

On radio this a.m. I heard a trucker complaining about being stuck in traffic for an hour and a half because of a ball game. He wondered what kind of recession we are in if all those people had money to splurge on a professional sports event.

(These examples all involve discretionary spending. I can only speak to the examples in my area, we have a diverse job base, maybe it will just take a while for the painful recession to land here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the economy is contracting, that we&#8217;re headed for recessionary bad times, I&#8217;ve held on to a job that I&#8217;m not crazy about for the very reason that it is in a recession-resistant industry.</p>
<p><em>However</em> - a friend and I went out for dinner last nite, our first choice of restaurant was PACKED, the parking lot was full, it was a one-hour wait.</p>
<p>We went to a place next door, in the same price range, maybe a little higher, which filled up with the overflow from the first place. (Neither of these is a cheap venue.)</p>
<p>A couple weeks ago the Phils won the World Series.<br />
The only reason I went to Modell&#8217;s for shirts is because I had a Chicagoan with me who wanted to take home souvenirs for her boy. The line in the Modell&#8217;s was so long it literally made a &#8220;U&#8221; around the perimeter of the store. And sports memorabilia is usually top dollar for junk product.</p>
<p>On radio this a.m. I heard a trucker complaining about being stuck in traffic for an hour and a half because of a ball game. He wondered what kind of recession we are in if all those people had money to splurge on a professional sports event.</p>
<p>(These examples all involve discretionary spending. I can only speak to the examples in my area, we have a diverse job base, maybe it will just take a while for the painful recession to land here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Silver Tear,

Absolutely loved it!  My Chemical Engineer husband has to read this!  He'll have a good laugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Silver Tear,</p>
<p>Absolutely loved it!  My Chemical Engineer husband has to read this!  He&#8217;ll have a good laugh!</p>
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		<title>By: bemused</title>
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		<dc:creator>bemused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's now "winter visitor" season in Arizona. The Zonies complain about the annual influx of Snowbirds--but they bring in a huge amount of money, especially in the service sector. They aren't here in the usual numbers. Tourism is our canary, as copper and cotton have been suffering for years. I live in a poorish neighborhood, where everyone is used to scraping along; things look about the same here. If I go over to Scottsdale or the Biltmore area, very rich, I suddenly see lots of For Sale signs that didn't used to be there, and only about half the out-of-state licenses one would expect in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s now &#8220;winter visitor&#8221; season in Arizona. The Zonies complain about the annual influx of Snowbirds&#8211;but they bring in a huge amount of money, especially in the service sector. They aren&#8217;t here in the usual numbers. Tourism is our canary, as copper and cotton have been suffering for years. I live in a poorish neighborhood, where everyone is used to scraping along; things look about the same here. If I go over to Scottsdale or the Biltmore area, very rich, I suddenly see lots of For Sale signs that didn&#8217;t used to be there, and only about half the out-of-state licenses one would expect in November.</p>
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		<title>By: ASilverTear</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASilverTear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone feel free to repost the newest element...love to see it go viral</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone feel free to repost the newest element&#8230;love to see it go viral</p>
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		<title>By: Mercedes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an earlier post, another commenter asked is Obama CIA?  I think that is a good question and I think it ties in with the possibility that Obama could be using hypnotic techniques.  Years ago, I wandered into a K-Mart Store, if I remember correctly, where a tall, gaunt young man was giving a sales pitch for something.  There was a group of mostly women standing there watching him.  They looked like zombies; they appeared to be mesmerized.  I felt myself falling under the sway and moved to the side to watch and the hypnotic effect dissipated.  

The young man was moving his hands rhythmically, speaking with a kind of musical cadence, and there was some very unusual lighting.  Years later, I saw this same young man, who had since become very successful and well-known on TV selling his self-improvement, get rich quick scheme.  

When someone first suggested that Obama was using hypnotic techniques, I investigated this individual and several other more well-known self-improvement gurus.  Most of them are not college graduates and have some very interesting early associations.

So IS Obama CIA or an MKULTRA product or a product of some other deviant group?  That is a good, legitimate question as far as I am concerned.  For that matter, can we ask that same question of Oprah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an earlier post, another commenter asked is Obama CIA?  I think that is a good question and I think it ties in with the possibility that Obama could be using hypnotic techniques.  Years ago, I wandered into a K-Mart Store, if I remember correctly, where a tall, gaunt young man was giving a sales pitch for something.  There was a group of mostly women standing there watching him.  They looked like zombies; they appeared to be mesmerized.  I felt myself falling under the sway and moved to the side to watch and the hypnotic effect dissipated.  </p>
<p>The young man was moving his hands rhythmically, speaking with a kind of musical cadence, and there was some very unusual lighting.  Years later, I saw this same young man, who had since become very successful and well-known on TV selling his self-improvement, get rich quick scheme.  </p>
<p>When someone first suggested that Obama was using hypnotic techniques, I investigated this individual and several other more well-known self-improvement gurus.  Most of them are not college graduates and have some very interesting early associations.</p>
<p>So IS Obama CIA or an MKULTRA product or a product of some other deviant group?  That is a good, legitimate question as far as I am concerned.  For that matter, can we ask that same question of Oprah?</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.  I can't imagine the pain you're feeling.  Don't go north, at least in the south if your heat is turned off, you're still okay.  Here, where I am, no heat is dangerous.
I am in Michigan, and we have been in this recession for a long time now.  Houses for sale, empty, all over our neighborhood.  My neighborhood  once was the bedroom community for the Chrysler Tech Center.  The houses that don't have Chrysler families are the homes where GM families live, or supplier families.  I think I saw more Obama signs here this year than I ever saw Kerry or Gore.  I can't help but look around myself when I'm out, wondering who would still be there in a year, and wondering where we'll end up.

I look at the Cloward Piven Strategy (did I learn of that here?), and wonder whether this has all been a well oiled strategy to move this country into socialism.  So many people are willing to look to the government now to fix things that never would have suggested it before.  

Have you guys read this article - it was written in February of this year, describing what could happen to gas prices and the economy in order to force a win for Obama.  The article posits that Soros could manufacture high prices for oil, or an economic crisis in October.  Eery??

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/george_soros_and_the_alchemy_o.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.  I can&#8217;t imagine the pain you&#8217;re feeling.  Don&#8217;t go north, at least in the south if your heat is turned off, you&#8217;re still okay.  Here, where I am, no heat is dangerous.<br />
I am in Michigan, and we have been in this recession for a long time now.  Houses for sale, empty, all over our neighborhood.  My neighborhood  once was the bedroom community for the Chrysler Tech Center.  The houses that don&#8217;t have Chrysler families are the homes where GM families live, or supplier families.  I think I saw more Obama signs here this year than I ever saw Kerry or Gore.  I can&#8217;t help but look around myself when I&#8217;m out, wondering who would still be there in a year, and wondering where we&#8217;ll end up.</p>
<p>I look at the Cloward Piven Strategy (did I learn of that here?), and wonder whether this has all been a well oiled strategy to move this country into socialism.  So many people are willing to look to the government now to fix things that never would have suggested it before.  </p>
<p>Have you guys read this article - it was written in February of this year, describing what could happen to gas prices and the economy in order to force a win for Obama.  The article posits that Soros could manufacture high prices for oil, or an economic crisis in October.  Eery??</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/george_soros_and_the_alchemy_o.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/george_soros_and_the_alchemy_o.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: La Compania Volante</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Compania Volante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Larry, about a terrible subject.

I suppose I’m one of those “small businessmen” everyone’s talking about.  I’m more fortunate in that I’ve got a secured income from solid assets, only a little bit of it from stocks that have tumbled in value.  I can afford to hold onto the stock, not worry about dividends, and wait for it to go back up.  A lot of other people can’t, or won’t be able to do that.

I started one new business last year and one this year.  I can keep them going because of my situation, even if I have to back off on expansion plans.  Most small business owners can’t do that.  And if I’d had any knowledge at the time of just what was going to happen with the economy and the election, I’d have probably moved the assets I invested in those companies to some more secure—probably overseas—venues.  And if this administration raises taxes, I can afford to just shut down the businesses for a while and start them up again when the situation improves.  How many others will be able to do that?

That does make one think about what other small business owners and investors are going to do, doesn’t it?  And if those businesses fail, those investors hold onto or move their money offshore, where is all that new, shiny tax revenue going to come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Larry, about a terrible subject.</p>
<p>I suppose I’m one of those “small businessmen” everyone’s talking about.  I’m more fortunate in that I’ve got a secured income from solid assets, only a little bit of it from stocks that have tumbled in value.  I can afford to hold onto the stock, not worry about dividends, and wait for it to go back up.  A lot of other people can’t, or won’t be able to do that.</p>
<p>I started one new business last year and one this year.  I can keep them going because of my situation, even if I have to back off on expansion plans.  Most small business owners can’t do that.  And if I’d had any knowledge at the time of just what was going to happen with the economy and the election, I’d have probably moved the assets I invested in those companies to some more secure—probably overseas—venues.  And if this administration raises taxes, I can afford to just shut down the businesses for a while and start them up again when the situation improves.  How many others will be able to do that?</p>
<p>That does make one think about what other small business owners and investors are going to do, doesn’t it?  And if those businesses fail, those investors hold onto or move their money offshore, where is all that new, shiny tax revenue going to come from?</p>
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		<title>By: OBAMA IS A FRAUD</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBAMA IS A FRAUD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122506830024970697.html

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And a great article from the Wall Street Journal by Dr. Laffer on the MESS we're in and WHY OVomit is going to make it worse.</description>
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<p>And a great article from the Wall Street Journal by Dr. Laffer on the MESS we&#8217;re in and WHY OVomit is going to make it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: OBAMA IS A FRAUD</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBAMA IS A FRAUD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so RIGHT...My roommate at USC, Traci, married Dr. Art Laffer, the father of Supply Side Economics.  I remember exactly how we pulled out of the Carter mess and we don't need OVomit (Carter II) to send us even further into hell.  I would like to read Dr. Laffer's new book, The End of Prosperity.  Of course he voted for McCain and here's what Dr. Laffer has to say about OVomit vs. McCain tax plans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6JmEdG9oL0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so RIGHT&#8230;My roommate at USC, Traci, married Dr. Art Laffer, the father of Supply Side Economics.  I remember exactly how we pulled out of the Carter mess and we don&#8217;t need OVomit (Carter II) to send us even further into hell.  I would like to read Dr. Laffer&#8217;s new book, The End of Prosperity.  Of course he voted for McCain and here&#8217;s what Dr. Laffer has to say about OVomit vs. McCain tax plans&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6JmEdG9oL0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6JmEdG9oL0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Canadian4Hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian4Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, you got the same clowns that created the problem trying to fix it. Throwing money around to the banks who created the bad mortgages is not a good thing. A few CEO's should be held accountable and made an example of, some serious jail time might be in order, (where is the FBI investigations going with this).

Maybe Obama should have saved the infomerical money &amp; paid the debt off of Hillary &amp; DNC, oh but that would be doing the responsible thing.  

I watched a good documentary on PBS about the Crash of 1929, link is in my name (videos)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, you got the same clowns that created the problem trying to fix it. Throwing money around to the banks who created the bad mortgages is not a good thing. A few CEO&#8217;s should be held accountable and made an example of, some serious jail time might be in order, (where is the FBI investigations going with this).</p>
<p>Maybe Obama should have saved the infomerical money &amp; paid the debt off of Hillary &amp; DNC, oh but that would be doing the responsible thing.  </p>
<p>I watched a good documentary on PBS about the Crash of 1929, link is in my name (videos)</p>
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