The terrible danger of a personality cult
By Old Grumpy Guy on November 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM in Cult, Cult-Aide, Cultist Thugs, Current Affairs, George Soros, Obama's Thugs, Obamatopia, Obamatopia Mirage
A number of videos and comments on Youtube and elsewhere have compared the personality cult surrounding Barack Obama with Adolph Hitler, drawing parallels among other things with the way that thuggish supporters have tried to silence Obama’s opponents, the way people like the Black Panthers - in a manner similar to Hitler’s Brownshirts - tried to stop people voting, and the way the media has been manipulated in his favor, just as it was in Hitler’s day.
There have been further parallels drawn with the way Obama has got support from leading businessmen like George Soros, Warren Buffett, the owners of Google and Youtube among others, while Hitler too had support from top industrialists - like steel tycoons Alfred Krupp and Fritz Thyssen - who contributed huge amounts to Hitler’s funds and mistakenly believed that they could make Hitler dance to their tune.
Some have also drawn parallels between Obama and other charismatic leaders who led their followers to oblivion, including David Koresh of the Branch Davidian and Jim Jones of the Jonestown mass suicide. Saddam Hussein is another that springs to mind.
One thing that all these people had in common, apart from being the center of charismatic personality cults, was that they all became recklessly suicidal when things began to go wrong, and took as many people down with them as they could.
This is a prospect that I find even more disturbing than talk of Obama’s socialist leanings and his connection with unsavory people like Jeremiah Wright and terrorists like Bill Ayres.
What led to the downfall of these charismatic leaders and their followers was the idolatry surrounding them and the huge weight of expectations that rested on them.
The pressures of such idolatry and expectations can unhinge even the most well balanced and well-intentioned people. But most if not all of these people were not exactly well balanced, however persuasive they might have been with their followers.
Most if not all suffered problems of self esteem following traumatic childhoods, like Obama’s father abandoning his family, and being moved around from place to place as a child and not being able to settle.
A common result of such childhood trauma and the low self esteem it generates is a deep-seated need for approval and acclamation, and in this Obama has probably exceeded his wildest dreams. He has become an idol to millions and millions.
One of the big dangers is that the objects of such idolatry begin to believe their own hype. Even if they don’t, they almost inevitably begin to lose touch with reality.
It’s what killed Elvis Presley in the end. He became an object of worship and he couldn’t cope with it. He was after all just a simple country boy and this idolatry pushed him increasingly into a world in which he no longer had any idea of where reality began or ended.
Nobody can cope with the pressure of such idolatry, and nobody can cope with the kind of expectations Obama’s followers have heaped upon his shoulders. Like the expectations of the woman who expected Obama to pay her mortgage and her gas bills.
Now she was not alone in this. It is obvious that there are many, many people who believe that Obama is going to be the answer to all their problems. And the sad, the tragic thing is, he is not.
In a way the whole situation reminds me of the time in 1960 when the Congo region of Africa gained its independence from Belgium. The people of the Congo thought this was going to be the end of hunger and the start of prosperity for all. People teemed into the city from the countryside carrying buckets and baskets and anything else they could find to hold all the good things they expected to be given as a result of national independence. And of course they were sadly disappointed.
The totally unrealistic expectations surrounding Obama are not too far removed from the expectations ifrom the the Congo during that time, and it these unrealistic expectations that have led to some vomit-inducing hymns of praise for a man who has proved nothing so far except that he is a very skillful talker and a great manipulator of people, just as Hitler was.
Now one can understand and sympathize to some extent with the fact that to many people he represents a triumph over racism, even though some might argue that there has been reverse racism with the vast majority of black Americans voting for him even though he was the least qualified of all the candidates.
But the feelings of many Obama supporters have gone far beyond the realms of sanity or reality. For many people Obama has become a cult figure, and the history of cult figures shows they are extremely vulnerable to self-destruction.
In the past, when expectations have exceeded the reality of what is possible, the tendency has been for those in power to take reckless measures, and this is one of the dangers we face with Obama. Added to this is the fact that with no experience of government, he has no solid foundation on which to base any decisions.
I suspect that Obama may already be increasingly disturbed by the idolatry and expectations surrounding him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he holds many of his followers in contempt for the impossible things they expect of him, a man with no real training or experience to govern the most powerful nation in the world.
But there are many signs that Obama actually believes in his own hype, and that is the most frightening thing of all.
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
Obama was an “International Student” at Columbia….he applied and registered as a Kenyan citizen.
Obama also traveled to Pakistan as a college student at a time when it was illegal for US citizens to visit Pakistan. He travled to Pakistan on his Kenyan Passport.
Obama did hold Kenyan citizenship until age 21 and admits it on his web site, though he hides the admission on a “fight the smears” page. The FACT of his Kenyan citizenship is not a smear. But is surely something he does not want people to know about.
I think that most people would be surprised to learn of his Kenyan Citizenship into the 1980s and that the next President of the United States of America applied to and attended two elite US colleges as a “foreign exchange student.”
All legal, all true, but truly surprising to many people, whether they support him or not.
From FactCheck.org:
“Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
He had Kenyan citizenship by virtue of having a Kenyan father, but he never swore allegiegiance to Kenya and, obviously, because he allowed his citizenship to expire, had no desire to hold Kenyan citizenship.
As for your other claims, facts and evidence please.
Someone please check the fact checker.
Google this: Annenberg Obama Ayers
The evidence is in Obama’s own book, wherein he states that he travelled to Pakistan.
It was illegal for American citizens to travel to Pakistan in the mid eighties. So how was Obama, a supposed citizen of the US, able to do so?
Angry Michelle transported him to Pakistan on her broomstick?
Obama did not state in either of his books that he traveled to Pakistan, he stated it in a speech. I’m sure the NYTs is a bad source to some but here is a link anyway:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/us/politics/10obama.html
And can someone please point me in the direction of some evidence showing that it was illegal for US citizens to travel to Pakistan in 1981 because, as far as I can see, it was not illegal.
To think about it, I think I remember reading it the other way around. That it was illegal for non-Muslims to travel to Pakistan at the time.
Easily.
You ask the officials at the Pakistani / Lebanese / NKorean / Cuban border to stamp your visa on a separate sheet of paper. Officials in these countries know our policies and are happy to do so.
I do not think it is a legitimate function of the US Government to curtail the travel of its citizens.
Its entirely possible to travel into no-go countries on a US Passport.
This is not to imply I have ever done so, or to speculate on Obama’s citizenship. He may be Indonesian, certainly was a Kenyan dual national at some point. Even his “smears” website says so.
Obama conveniently omitted his Pakistan trip from both of his autobiographies.
Why did he do this? He didn’t want you to know about it.
He spent 3 weeks in Pakistan at a time when it was illegal for US citizens to travel there.
He traveled there under his Kenyan passport.
No one said he did anything illegal there. No one said he pledged allegiance to Kenya. But when it was convenient and advantageous for him to use his bithright, Kenyan citizenship, he did. Frankly, if I liked Obama, these FACTS would not bother me.
But, if I liked him, the FACT that would bother me is that he hides these FACTS from his followers. He SAYS he’s honest and transparent, when exactly the OPPOSITE is true.
Again, please provide proof that he ever held a Kenyan passport. I have yet to see one shred of evidence that he ever held a Kenyan passport. Having citizenship to a country because one’s father was a citizen, and then allowing that citizenship to expire, is different than having a passport. One has to apply for a passport. Please, someone, provide proof that Obama did that. Otherwise, again, it is theory and NOT fact.
And, again, I have yet to see any evidence that it was illegal for US citizens to travel to Pakistan in 1981 (or ever, for that matter). It isn’t illegal now, it wasn’t illegal then.
Give it up already. Someone named “Calla” posted the comment and they are not replying to you.
That may have been the original poster but many have backed up those assertions in other posts. I just think when someone is presenting as fact statements about someone else (be it our next President or the person next door)the accuser should be able to back those things up with evidence. Otherwise they should not be said.
I amend my above post–say those things all you want, say whatever you want, but don’t present those things as facts because they are not.
So just say things are not true in your opinion, but don’t expect anyone to take you seriously around here if you quote factcheck.org as factual, considering the Annenberg, Obama and Ayers problem.
But they are facts. He was a Kenyan citizen and he did apply to Columbia as a Kenyan exchange student in order to help his chances of getting into such a tough school. It was not dishonest. Anyone with the advantage of having that kind of citizenship would use it on the application and would be crazy not to. Just like anyone who is a minority such as black or Latino would be crazy not to specify it on the application, as these schools truly want to admit a diverse class and actively seek out qualified minority applicants. It would just be foolish not to check the box that you truly have this demographic attribute. Truthful and smart.
It’s just that he doesn’t want it publicized now that he gained admission under his Kenyan citizenship. It’s a fact that’s been carefully sealed away and conveniently ignored by the media.
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You are making a mountain of a molehill. This is the comments section and anyone including trolls pretending otherwise, can post total bullshit. Ces la vie.
Take your dog and pony show elsewhere. I hear the circus is hiring.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html
Sorry about the link above.
I read the comment quickly and mistook it for a question about citizenship rather that the passport he used to travel to Pakistan.
This means that when he was college age, he was
still a Kenyan citizen and could have applied
as an International Student which would give him
a leg up on getting in.
Proof, please, is all I’m asking for, not theories. Facts and proof.
Then ask without parading out the questionable factcheck.org like a cowboy showing off his wares in a Texas cathouse.
When someone made assertions like:
. . . the next President of the United States of America applied to and attended two elite US colleges as a “foreign exchange student.”
and that assertion is being presented as fact I think they should be able to provide proof. Without proof it is just a theory.
You stepped in it and now are trying to change the subject. You came in here providing “facts” from your own questionable source and are now demanding proof from others?
I am not tying to change the subject or prove anything. I did not state a theory as if it was a fact, the initial poster did that, so I don’t have anything to prove.
But I can see that nobody is able to back up the assertions of the initial poster, which isn’t a surprise, since the assertions are false.
You never admitted your source was questionable so anything else you say will be ignored.
Their aversion to a fact based existence has not been relieved by the election of an illusion.
Fine, it is questionable for some people.
Now, I’ll go ahead and wait for that evidence that Obama attended two elite US schools as an exchange student. Somehow I think I’ll be waiting forever . . .
There was an assertion about Obama registering as a foreign exchange student. That can not be proved or disproved because he had all his records sealed. Birth, Medical, College etc.
The media is in complete silence. The media went postal when McCain only released partial medical records. He ended up having to give 400 pages. It is surreal.
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan)– Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
And you really need to look at the source of all the speculation: Plasticine-elect OBonaparte evading the issue, even at the Supreme Court now. You should demand he release his vault copy of his long-form birth certificate. Unless he releases it the speculation will never cease.
Fellow NQ bloggers-
I may be wrong but i think we have TWO Obama trolls piggybacking on each other.
Troll #1 (Calla) stating a fact that may cause people to question Barack Obama’s eligibility to run/hold office of president of the USA and
Troll #2 (Factcheck) supposidly responding to Troll # 1 by passing oalong REFUTABLE FACTS from Factcheck.org.
Dear trolls- Barack Obama’s eligibility is still an highly questionable issue.
There are several LIVE law suits in play right now on this issue.
Please go elsewhere and stop wasting our time. We (NQ bloggers) have work to do .
We need to remain alert on how Barack Obama plans to run this country and how many campaign promises he is “FORCED” to break.
Our msm is too busy ‘kissing tush’s’ belonging to all the viewers and readers and listeners that they have lost during this election cycle due to their GROSS negligence in covering the election fairly.
So trolls…bah bye- we bloggers have work to do.
Thanks and have a nice day.
The two trolls might be the same person. The internet (Youtube particularly) abounds with sockpuppets.
You are a psychotic conspiracy theorist. The most ridiculous post ever.
How the f*ck is a post that says that Obama was a foreign exchange student at Columbia a pro-Obama post.
Maybe 0mama would just like to produce his selective service card? That would be required at age 18 if I understand how that works … not being a male of the species … if he was not American or solely American I guess he wouldn’t have felt compelled to sign up? Selective srvice card should do the trick. Especially since he will be calling himself CIC … ya’ think?
This same exact exchange has occurred several times in the last days. I think the comments by ‘calla’ are a copy and paste.
lol…funny that Galt…Damn Straight…
That is such a dry troll, no sense of humor.
Fascists are not el known for having a developed sense of humor…chuckle…Ask Comrade Stalin…chuckle…
So he was citizen of another country till 21? that by itself make him uneligible to be even senator set aside to be president. What a fool!
He had dual citizenship until age 21 by his own admission. This would not disqualify him from the senate or presidency. The issue isn’t citizenship, it’s secrecy.
The fact that he chose to present himself as a foreign exchange student at Columbia is an inconvenient but factual secret that he doesn’t want revealed because it conflicts with his carefully crafted image as “all-American.”
Enterprise wrote, “The fact that he chose to present himself as a foreign exchange student . . . “?? Really? This is not a fact, it is a theory. And I’ve been asking for hours now for someone to provide one shred of evidence that it is a fact, which has yet to happen.
I just really wish that people would stop prsenting their theories as fact. And I can’t understand why anyone would want to put theories out there and state that they are “fact” because doing that undermines any credibility you/your ideas/your cause has. If your case is strong enough than just stick with the facts.
But there are no facts to back up any of these assertions, only theories and maybes and possibilities–which are very different than facts and evidence. And that is fine, but don’t present something as factual when it is not.
You are making a mountain of a molehill. This is the comments section and anyone including trolls pretending otherwise, can post total bullshit. Ces la vie.
Take your dog and pony show elsewhere. I hear the circus is hiring.
Maybe I am dense but the Obama files have been sealed for the foreseeable future (Oh, about the next four years or so)…so
how can anyone PROVE any accusation against His Eminence?
Can someone who is an expert on logic
put this circular riddle to rest? Please,
it is driving me nuts! In a court of law,
both sides get to see the evidence before trial. That’s called the pursuit of justice.
In the court of public opinion, facts are a little harder to come by. Wonder why….
Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro)
Birth Certificate: Sealed
US Passport files: Sealed
Kenyan Passport files: Sealed
Punahou School records: Sealed
Occidental College records: Sealed
Columbia University registration: Sealed
Columbia University thesis & papers: Sealed
Harvard Law records: Sealed
What do we have? A 2007 computer printout from Honolulu certifying that the real birth certificate is sealed in a vault somewhere.
Why all the secrecy?
US Selective Service Registration: Missing
One problem with this statement is that the controversy of whether he really has a citizenship to renounce has not been settled. Another is that if he had been a “foreign student” from Kenya it’s an implicit admission of loyalty to Kenya. So we don’t really know that he didn’t affirm that loyalty to Kenya, either.
He didn’t have to pledge any loyalty to any country.
But he chose to present himself, even as a technicality, as a Kenyan in order to help ensure his admission to a very competitive school. A smart move on his part, but not something that he’s particularly interested in broadcasting to the world now….hence the sealed school, passport, and other records. He has squads of lawyers keeping his history under lock and key.
Notwithstanding what has been written in the past, it is almost impossible to renounce your U.S. citizenship. It has to be determined that you specifically intended to renounce your citizenship. So, even using a Kenyan or Indonesian passport would not be good enough.
Only if Obama were born in a foreign country (which I doubt) would there be a chance to prevent him from taking office. And interestingly enough, it would depend upon whether his mother and father were married. If they were married, Obama would NOT be a natural born citizen, whereas if they were not married Obama would be.
There are no records of Obama’s parents ever marrying, but there are records of them getting divorced.
As with the draft registration (and everything else) Obama’s life is one big mystery.
I am deeply disturbed. We had many stupid president such as GWB, but this time media and Holywood selected a total fraud for us. See this article, hussien obama cheated on his selected service record just like his BC
EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
Apparently their is another document we need to worry about. BO’s selective service registration form appears to be a forgery. Alot of people have gone to alot of trouble to try and cover BO’s (ass), um I mean tracks.
I think they are right on this - the number on the form is different than the number posted on the report information. It does appear that the form was from 08. The tampered with documents that keep cropping up about him seems so unbelievable - If they are indeed true - this is more serious than just someone wanting to be president of the US. This would really have to be some sort of major conspiracy. It is not that I don’t think these things are true - like the BC (mostly because he will not allow the vault to be seen), but also not releasing his school records, and no close friends coming out and talking about him, and all the fraud at the caucuses and Acorn submitting false ballots, and his pastor and associations who hate America.
Also, OT, but the Honolulu Star had an article yesterday that his grandmother’s memorial service would be Friday but Obama would not be attending - they would have a service in a month or so. Don’t you think that is odd too?
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20081113_Dunham_service_set_for_tomorrow.html
There’s probably an interment gathering for family and then a public ceremony later.
He probably should be at both but then he’s awfully busy saving the world. snark
Nancy-
Thanks for link!
Any American male of Obama’s age knew about the selective service registration requirement. It was big news because people born in 1961 were the first ones to ever have to do it. So it was on every evening news program and on the front page of every newspaper. It was introduced and explained at every high school in America at that time. There is no way that Obama did not know about it.
Then Obama wasn’t living in the U.S. all those years.
Thanks, Grumpy Guy, for making me even more concerned about our new CIC. I’ve been trying not to think about him at all.
That means, of course, turning off t.v., radio, and not opening my newspaper.
It’s a trade off: not living with anxiety or possibly be caught totally off-guard and unprepared when things get really bad.
Diana I am with you. Got rid of the newspapers…especially the LA Times after the KHalidi tape incident. No more news, etc. I just can’t take it. If you hang around places like this, or blog elsewhere, my feeling is you will get enough information about stuff. I just need a break. I tolerated the media ASSAULTING ME with OVomit for sooo long that I feel drained.
I don’t look at MSNBC, CNN and I canceled my New York Times, Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times. I keep telling people that I am going to be one of the dumbest person in America. I have also stop going to the Orange Demon and all of their linked sites. Hell, I don’t have anything else to Boycotted
I don’t turn on the tv at all, unless it’s to watch a movie! And absolutely NO newspapers. Listen to fox radio and read no quarter, that is it.
This is deja vu. I just had 8 years of a president I could not stand.
And I am with you. I was just beginning to recover from my paranoia then read this piece!
I also can’t stand to look at that Plasticine-elect fraud Opampers and stopped watching the news.
I guess the good part of the deja vu is realizing we survived the 8 years and yes OBAMA IS A FRAUD, Bush did some good things even if I still think he was the worst president YET.
So I guess we should isolate ourselves from the news inside a fallout shelter just in case Chicken Little WAS right?
Morning Galt…
I need some Eggs
ObamaBenedict oh pretty please…Not sure why you mentioned Bush angel face. I didn’t vote for the guy but I just don’t hate him as much as everyone else does. I could still watch him at this point way easier than OVomit. OVomit is a whole new breed of VILE.
Chicken Little was right…Glad you have your restaurant set up in a bunker for all of us.
I was lamenting on the deja vu feeling of Bush, the Obama prequel. I mentioned you in jest, for your somewhat frequent “Bush has kept us safe” comments. I used to think he was the worst president but I am about to be proven wrong by OBonaparte.
While I am mentioning others frequent remarks I should inoculate this thread: Yes anninCA we understand your opinion that you don’t approve of any discussion involving Hitler relating to Emperor OBonaparte. Oops I am sorry, he is Plasticine-elect OBonaparte.
Yes I have my radiation-proof suit and ElectroMagneticPulse-proof pizza delivery vehicle ready at the waiting!
I’m with you. I’ve tuned out anyone that abused their positions on the air to do and say anything to promote their personal agenda.
Yesterday I had Scrubs on while eating a late dinner and changed it as soon as the Daily Show came on.
They don’t warrant my respect or time.
Elvis Presley - Yes
but what about Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe?
are there more examples of simple people becoming worshiped like idols and losing it?
There are lots of examples of people being idolized and losing their grip. Think of all those who died of drug overdoses or were treated at drug and alcohol rehabilitation clinics.
OUCH…And Touchet’…chuckle…well said…
People without that basis of strong values and a culture of self identity — mother, father, family, country, church, whatever — are always looking outside themselves for something. My concern is that after the adoration is no longer giving him his high, is it just one person? Axelrod? Or someone even more evil?
That is exactly my thought. After Bush got put in the WH I just stopped paying attention to the news. Then when 9/11 occurred I was horrified that was caught totally unaware.
I believe Obama will be the center of cultish praise until he gets in office. Things are going from bad to worse, he’s already showing a tendency to protect corporations and let people go hang. The American electorate might be dumbed down to a certain extent, but probably no worse than in the past when so much of the population had recently immigrated and didn’t even understand English. (many East Europeans)
When people don’t have jobs, don’t have comforts, lose their homes, and have to struggle to put food on the table while the corporate wealthy live in obscene luxury, you’ll see a new attitude in this country. If Obama hasn’t learned to respect the People by then, he’ll be out on his a**.
He doesn’t seem very teachable to me, so that’s what I’m expecting.
I agree. Except, when things get bad for the Obots, then the prevalent attitude will change. Normal everyday Americans will lose their jobs, houses, comforts….but can and will learn to make do with homemade meals and frugality. They have the mindset to survive. Obots on the other hand, are self absorbed, narrow minded and amazingly greedy. I expect them to be unable to cope and just go insane, lash out and demand a revolution. It’s only when it affects their personal lifestyle do they manage to give a shit.
Something else to make you concerned.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=376A8A3B-62DD-407F-8D48-F38B2A63B96E
I recently invented the Oprah-free Internet. The technology can be adapted to create the Obama-free Internet (of course you’d see virtually nothing at NoQuarter if you implemented it).
I hold the secret.
Great statement Old Grumpy Guy. I pray you are wrong. For America and her citizens I hope you are wrong. But I fear you may be correct. We have to be vigilent these next few years, and be prepapred to act if necessary.
Smart people know we are all on our own and have good reason to fear the government’s reaction to the financial crisis it has spawned.
Well, hopefully there are enough intelligent people among the governing powers to prevent it happening. But I’m not totally confident about that. Which reminds me of another thing about cult membership. The Moonies and numerous other cults built around personalities have had a high proportion of people with college degrees.
A very sobering piece, Grumpy Old Man. And I fear you are correct in the analysis. I caught a segment of a Charlie Rose roundtable about ten days ago, where several journalists talked about the “creepiness” of this cult factor. This, of course, after months of heaping praise and adulation on Barack Obama.
It speaks not only to Barack Obama’s personality but also to the American mindset of wanting fairytales to be true, as if the words “hope” and “change” were a magical incantation.
Disturbing to say the least.
I think an additonal factor in the cult worship is that Americans (especially the Left) believe that because Obama is black he naturally will be a champion of downtrodden people. He isn’t. Once that becomes clear, he’ll be a pariah.
The cult will make excuses for him for awhile, but eventually they will be forced to see the reality.
I suspect that the black community will be the first to turn against him and will start call him a traitor or an “Uncle Tom” when he fails to deliver on his promises. The gay and lesbian community, who voted overwhelmingly for him, also seem to be having second thoughts.
OGG, they can’t see we did not warn them. Stupid bloody farkers.
Excellent, excellent post, OGG. And so true. Thank you.
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shit!
Old Grumpy Guy, with this post, much more serious than your others, you prove that you are not only old (we can see that) and grumpy (self-evident), but also wise. The idolatry surrounding Obama, and the fact that he is stepping into the Messianic role he has created and believing in his own divinity, are absolutely terrifying. “Drinking the Kool-Aid” has become a cliche to describe O-bots, but the comparison to Jim Jones’ followers is not so far-fetched. A few threads back in a post called “Who Is Obama,” Larry Johnson noted:
My response to this was directly pertinent to your point here: “I do not find it funny ‘ha-ha,’ and I do not find it funny ‘peculiar.’ I find it horrifying. This, more than anything else, is what makes him very dangerous: it’s like Jim Jones’ folks gone national. I personally know dedicated obots who would literally drink the Kool-Aid, if asked by the Ineffable One. And they wouldn’t mind serving some to my family, and would even give us a hand in drinking it besides.”
I was particularly struck, Old Grumpy Guy, by your observation that it is when the wheels start to come off, when things start to go horribly wrong, that these personality cults get suicidal and try to take others with them. Thanks for raising the warning flags.
By Disenfecting Leftism
A geneological researcher has emailed two pictures of Obamas mother in the nude. That would be of trivial interest except for the setting in which the pictures were taken. They were clearly taken in a sophisticated mid-century apartment and my correspondent suggests that the apartment details could be used to identify the photographer. He feels that the photographer is the Communist Frank whom Obama mentions as his mentor. That Frank was so intimate with Obamas mother would support the contention that Frank was in fact Obamas father. Various bloggers have pointed out how similar Obama looks to Frank and the coverup of Obamas birth certificate is certainly very suspicious.
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The pictures are obvious fakes,or OBOMBAS MOTHER HAD A GENETIC DEFECT…………………………..!
Obama exhibits all the symptoms of someone who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I’ve watched him nearly from the beginning of his campaign and been reminded of NPD, time and again; numerous people have timidly alluded to it; some have more assertively used the word “narcissist.” And, some, who know NPD intimately, say yes, indeed, he looks like a Narcissist to them too. Most people don’t have a clue what that means, even though they have likely experienced a nightmarish narcissist first-hand, but just thought the person was what we frequently refer to as a “toxic” person.
NPD is the least studied of the Personality Disorders, but it appears in a fairly significant percentage of the population–6%. So, people come into contact with them in every day life, or marry them, or work for them. They aren’t all “hitler,” and some of them are your doctors, your lawyers, even your own parents or siblings. And, to be sure, they certainly are “toxic.”
At least one mental health professional believes that about 6% of Americans are pathological narcissists. The percentage in countries where child abuse is more prevalent is a lot higher. Although all narcissists are cunning, and bereft of conscience, not all of them have the wits to rise to power. A narcissist with smarts can be dangerous.
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/43/15/38
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/index.html
Sam Vaknin, Ph.D.:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, The Art of War
YES.
Scary- Scary- Scary mountainaires!
Especially the part about narcissistic rage- Is this where is civilian security force comes in? shudder……
Everyone should read the Ali Sina article. Definetly on point.
Xcellent observations Grump. I think I’ll stay in the mildly fascist state of Texas for a while as unless Barky reacts catastrophically…don’t see him or his followers doing much damage here…Course there could be strong reaction to his policies down here…We shall see…
True enough, workingclassartist. Texas seems relatively safe, as do Alaska, Idaho, Oklahoma, hmmmm. Seems like I’m listing red states. I’m sitting here in CA where the Oborg army (or Civilian Defense Force, or whatever the hell it will be called) will be welcomed with happy Hopium smiley faces. Excuse me. Gotta go put some more layers of tinfoil in my beanie.
Bbbbut you got Arnie…the governator…and Hollywood…
Actually if CA economy gets too bad…there is still plenty of room over here in the republic for the entreprenurially inclined…chuckle…Why even Dallas/Ft. Worth are gettin Cultural with the influx of New Yorkers and Californians seeking Business opps…The other day I met a Parisian at the store who works for an American Co. and does business here caus He can’t afford to live in his own country…Very nice chap.
Even CowTown has a spiffy new Modern Art museum…lol…
Think I’m gonna round up my family and mosey on down that way. I’m serious.
This election has taught me to stick with the Fascists I know…chuckle…Down here it’s all about doin business…Its not pretty but it’s not so bad…Aaaand we even have a Leftie capital Austin…chuckle…Not that it makes a big diff…chuckle…Business just lets em spin while they carry on with..business…
Here’s a neat trick…How are they gonna save Galveston after Hurricane Ike…They will probably allow Gamblin which even the Baptists might go for and will really Piss off Jindal in Lousiana…chuckle…After a year of our own little Vegas…The Gulf Coast and Houston will repair nicely without Federal help much ( except for Oil and Gas which since we refine and pump for the good of the nation is only right since we live with the pollution and we don’t get what Alaskans get…chuckle…)
Nope…I expect the measure to pass and think Houston/Galveston to make a nice recovery…And the rest of the state will probably benefit…We shall see…
You’ll be welcome.
excellent post Grumpy-I like your style, spot on and comparisions are right on the mark. Life is not a fairytale, there are no easy answers. There is no way one person could possibly live up the expectations that people have of Obama. I have never understood “idolizing” anyone. It is either the product of an unstable mind or desperation to be needed (hence the Idol needs the adoring crowds). In any case,these people are not playing w a full deck.
I too have turned off all the news, I get plenty here. No newspapers, or mags either. I’m tapped out for awhile.
I however am not flooded w hopelessness. When the wheels come off of Obama’s choo choo train, and they will, there will still be people like Hillary and McCain and others who will get us back on track. Until then, put your seatbelts on.
Unfortunately, perhaps, life often is a fairytale. The same old archetypes we read about in Grimm replay themselves again and again: think about “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” or “The Pied Piper of Hamelin.” The Ineffable One’s ascendancy, and the adoration of his true believers, is most certainly a fairytale.
What life is NOT is the lying distortion fed to us in the newscasts of the MSM.
Unfortunately, this is when The Messiah will get really dangerous. This is one of the points made by Old Grumpy Guy’s essay.
It is a time to make preparations, not get caught up in political correctness and all the “we-are-all-in-this-together” crapola that Barack Obama and the Washington establishment are serving up to stubbornly gullible voters.
I would rather take my chances being an ant at an Aardvark convention than trust my future to the liars, thieves, and freedom stealers in Washington.
your right-I may be in it but I’m damned sure not with em. Let em row their own boat. this is one time I would head for Canada if I was young and the draft was still in existance.
I would head for Canada even if I was just young!
Canada has their own problems…And not necessarily friendly to the religious minded…
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UH OH! somebody’s dog got off it’s leash.
Clean up on aisle 10…somebody crapped a Barky image…lol…
When they reach their maximum frustration level they have to act out. The maturity is breath taking. Yes we can, damn you! And So There, too. Bunch of pouters if you ask me.
soreloosers- LOL! You may want to spend more time learning how to spell LOSERS & less time making smut pictures.
I think he needs to leave the obong alone for a few hours before he posts a comment.
Please, at least spell “losers” correctly. This is becoming an epidemic.
This idiot serves as a good reminder of the kind of mentality we are dealing with among Obama supporters
It is an irony troll for sure.
Don’t assume this only happens to people who do not have insurance… It happened to me. I have what should of been a total hestrectomy 5 yrs ago this month was fine for 8 months then things went downhill and stopped working correctly. I had more Colonoscopy than you can imagine. I had all the symtoms of colon cancer and every time I was checked everything was fine.
I know just as much about in
wait till you go out to the store and see billboards all around with this art. after all who can pay for advertizing when business is down or there closing their doors.
this is all we will see it reminds me of Sadam Hussein and when the troops torn down the statue there…
It’s a strange world and life is one big trip.
no idea where all that came from! ???
This was my post
wait till you go out to the store and see billboards all around with this art. after all who can pay for advertizing when business is down or there closing their doors.
this is all we will see it reminds me of Sadam Hussein and when the troops torn down the statue there…
It’s a strange world and life is one big trip.
Think I am loosing the plot here rapidly lol
A little while back I edited this image of Obama and placed a “666″ on the forehead, and it was posted. Funny satire, I thought. Someone complained about it being ugly, and requested its removal. It was removed. Okay, I apologize for offending anybody’s sensitivity, but I would like to explain why I think my “fix” to “sorelooser’s” image was appropriate satire and pertinent to the subject of this thread.
Obama has been glorified to the point of idolatry. Old Grumpy Guy’s post deals with this very subject. We constantly see images of Obama with a halo of light surrounding his head. If he is going to present himself as a religious icon, and if he is in fact worshipped as a Messiah by his followers, then that puts him into a religious realm, and religious satire such as the use of the number “666″ as an iconoclastic tool is entirely appropriate. Sorelooser’s large image was just another attempt to spread the idolatry, as well as rub salt in our wounds. My editing of Sorelooser’s original image spoke to the point of Obama-idolatry and should not have been removed.
Yes, Barky has created a cult. He promised his followers a “Change” from how their lives are now. He has convinced them that he holds the key to their happiness. Hmm… David Koresh was good at that too.
It’s hard to believe that more people did not find it creepy that Barky & his cousin Odinga had the same “Change” campaign slogan. Just a coincidence? I don’t think so since Barky helped Odinga out with his campaign while he was over in Africa. Somehow both of these loons have been able to fool their followers. I just wonder if Barky would have lost, would we have to have created him a special office (like Prime Minister of America) in order to get his followers to quit rioting? It’s not too far fetched since that is how Odinga got his position!
No, it would not take an act of congress to get them to stop rioting. Back in the 60s one Texas Ranger put a stop to their riot in Texarkana.
True that Notrees… Funny how different things mighta been in Waco if it had been kept local…Who knows?
More good news for obama:
Jobless claims unexpectedly hit 7-year high
U.S. trade deficit declines more than expected as imports plunge
WASHINGTON - Applications for unemployment benefits soared to the highest level since just after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks while the trade deficit shrank more than expected as demand for imports plunged, further evidence of the struggling U.S. economy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27697122/
Isn’t that good news for obama? Everyday the economy got worse the “liberal media” would proclaim: Good news for obama! On oct 31st the ecomonmy sliding down the shitter was ‘good news for obama!’ Same thing on Nov 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Every day the economy got worse and every day the “liberal media” would proclaim ‘good news for obama.’ So now Nov 13th, the economy slips a little farther it has to be ‘good news for obama!’ Right? No its not. Just like on Oct 31st it’s bad news for us Americans. Only sycophants would say 300 million people slipping farther down the crapper was good news for anybody.
LOl! I forgot about that angle. On the same page, Rahm Emanuel quipped two days ago, “You should never let a good catastrophe go to waste.” (?) (Shades of Cheney)? WTH?
BRACKO BAMA=DO NOT WANT!
There is absolutely nothing theoretical about national bankruptcy. It is already here — although we have only seen the leading edge of the first squall line. And when the government runs out of its remaining few emergency, last-ditch tricks, millions of Americans are going to be completely impoverished as a result. We are sunk now because we have a know nothing, do nothing thug of a president select.We are not the only ones who lost. It will be soon when the OBOTS realize they lost too.
Obama did a wiz-bang job as a state senator. Represented the people of District 13 well. I am sure he will do the same for the rest of the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs
What was all the change mantra about? What was all the Hillary slamming mantra’s about, saying she was so yesterday…HUH? OFockNoBama has hired many of Clintons team in the white house. Obots, how is that change? How’s that working for you? We missed a chance to enter the 21st century when you chose Obama, who’s cabinet looks like a thug version of the 90’s cabinet? WTF? OBOTS, please explain how this is change and hope? I’m shocked. Anyone? Obots? How is that change? It’s more of the same and so yesterday. Hiring people who are so yesterday, to do the work of the 21st century doesn’t leave me hopeful for change..cough.
Watch “The Forgotten People”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-YoB5mnZs
Rove: GOP In Decent Shape For 2010
http://patriotroom.com/rove-gop-in-decent-shape-for-2010/
I have been on this journey with you all for a long while. It’s hopeless. It’s time to make preparations
to survive the coming global depression, compliments of FockNoBama. Research and plan the best way to help your family survive this. Once it hits it’ll be too late. I am not into fear but I am pragmatic. Prudence is needed now. Unemployment is back to where it was during 9/11 and that translates to as high as 8% if the news were ever honest about it.
the vast majority of Americans have lost upwards of 50 percent of their savings including in the stock market and their 401(k)s. Particularly heartbreaking are the financial futures of those already in retirement who are dependent on their now lost or greatly reduced savings, as well as the millions more who hoped to retire soon.
We should have a mass converging at the capital to scare the hell out of government, particularly the newly-elected members of Congress as well as all of those re-elected recently, for failing us so miserably. Franken steals MN and Dems perform the biggest heist in history.
I heard that the Big Companies are petitioning Congress to let em squirm out of paying those pesky matching pension funds…chuckle…Folks have gotta be waking up soon…No ?
Excellent piece, Grumpy Guy. I am very troubled by this cult of personality towards Obama as a know that Hilter come into power after at a time off massive economic problems and he promised “change”.
I hope Canada remains neutral like Switzerland was in WWII.
Just get worse each day
Hi, SoldierforHillary
Hadn’t seen you around in a while. I know you were looking after a boyfriend with health concerns and had your own as well. How are you both doing?
I just wanted to thank you again for your wonderful work on behalf of the Democratic process, for not letting the Obamabots stand in your way and your great videos on your website, and commentary on the NQ program.
God bless you, dear.
YES. Who’d have thought that they would NOT be using the bail-out money for buying up bad bank notes like they said they would so that banks can be liquid again. It was all a lie. We have been duped. Now we do not know exactly where that money is going..so much for creating bail-out “bills”. They are not worth the paper that they are written on…Who is getting that money now? Pelosi? Reid?
They acted like it was so urgent to do this bail-out and NOW they are not using the money for that..it couldn’t have been that urgent…it was a politcal ploy to get FockNoBama voted in..f’n liars are robbing us of our future.
The bailout money is funding the formation of super conglomerate business entities. Smaller businesses are being eaten by conglomerates. The conglomerates that survive will do so by forging alliances and agreements with government. So much can be done to so many without oversight in the name of “crisis management”. Meet the “new Bush”… same as the “old Bush”.
Good work!
I agree that the supporters of that one are bordering on delusional.
In reading a lot of fiction about the Civil War, there were always references to slaves following Sherman’s army, expecting a reward of gold coin.
Sadly, many of them returned to their masters, ill and bedraggled.
Our local newspaper had a front page article about the sales of assault rifles and ammo…reaction to the dems gun control positions as well as that one’s election.
Yep, there are a lot of “crazies” out there, BUT a lot of ordinary citizens expect trouble!
What in the hell is real about Bobo? His past is fraught with mystery, and what we do know he tries to change with denials and obsfucations. The simplest matters seem unknowable–like when is his grandma’s funeral, for heaven’s sake? The woman died the day before the election, and all I can google is something about that weird church group threatening to protest. Why doesn’t this man at least pretend to behave like a normal human being? A person truly can’t help but think about Invasion of the Body Snatchers!
info on funeral service.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20081113_Dunham_service_set_for_tomorrow.html
Its a small matter, but it is one more piece of Obama’s fake biography. The article on his grandmother’s funeral stated that Obama visited his grandmother almost every day when he was there last summer. FALSE. He visited her once, briefly.
But, in the words of the reporter at the end of the movie, The man who shot Liberty Valence, “When the legend becomes fact, print the legend”.
I think it is not mystery in BO life. All his family(white part) had connections with VERY important organization(!). Try Google Three Stooges go to Washington (part 3). Will be surprised. Easy explanation about all sealing documents.
If he gets suicidal, I only hope he takes some of his creepiest closest friends with him. And it seems to me like he’s bound to have a great emotional crash of some kind, because he has nowhere to go and nowhere to hide now.
I would have no concerns as to that ones well being…he LOVES himself dearly!
His adoring masses may find themselves up the creek though!
Where is the proof that Obama is NOT a U.S. citizen you ask?? Well, to me it is very clear. Obama himself has given us all the proof. He refuses to release his original birth certificate and college records. Obviously he has something to hide or he would just simply release them.
Therefore, by NOT releasing them, he has just told us that he is GUILTY.
It is funny to think BO refuses to release his birth certificate and college records.If somebody watched Hannity on Nov.3,day before election,he said candidate has same clearance as CIA agent.This is answer why his document are sealed.
They ran the same clearances on McCain and staff too. You are blending stories.
So, that doesn’t answer why his documents are sealed.
Nor does it answer why Obama insisted on seeing everyone else’s documents, he refused to provide.
During study in Columbia University he was one of eight student in Zbig Brzezinsky forein affair course. Zbig was CIA. Who can seal documents?
Let’s not forget biggest kool-aid dispensing cult leader - Jonestown happened 30 years ago this month:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/13/jonestown.jim.jones/index.html
The OBorgbots remind me more of Marshall Herff Applewhite’s Heaven’s Gate cult followers. They committed mass suicide so they could ascend to the planet-sized companion trailing behind comet Hale-Bopp. I shit you not.
Until we have journalists in this country willing to report the truth about BO, the cult worship of Cupcake will continue. The media is fixated on the $150,000 wardrobe for Palin. Yet, the MSM ignores the illegality of Barry’s website accepting donations over the $2300 limit by thousands of donors and accepting illegal contributions from foreign donors. About $200 million dollars of Barry’s donations should be under scrutiny.
The media and Obama cyberbullies are obsessed with Palin’s qualifications for the highest office. Palin confronted the corruption of her own party and ousted the Rep. Governor. However, does the media talk about the caucus fraud, Acorn fraud in battleground states, and using government officials to investigate anyone that opposes Barry? Until the media becomes the public’s watchdog, everyone’s First Amendment Rights are in jeopardy.
I found this interesting (disturbing) post today.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
I listened to a conservative radio host and he did make me feel kina bad. He expressed his trust and support for Obama (although he didn’t vote for him) until such time this trust is proven to be wrong.
He also stressed civility in public discourse and the need to respect the office if not the person holdiing the office. Both good points.
What he failed to mention IMHO is that much of the vitriol and hatred came from Obama’s camp. Considering the loyalty his supporters have for Obama a few words from him might have changed the level of discourse. That’s not only a failure of leadership it says much about his character.
He didn’t demand that the media and supporters respect “Joe the Plumbers’” views. Instead Obama and Biden joined in the ridicule. That’s just one example.
Being civil and putting America first is vitally important. But that effort needs to come from all sides IMO.
Sorry, this dog ain’t gonna reward their trainer with obedience.
I understand your point but for me the wounds are way to deep ever to show any respect to him.
OldGrumpyGuy, good vid. I am passing it on to a few places.
The Obama campaign was run on the same narcissistic fuel that abusers always run on. I’m not uniting with that. There’s a huge difference between uniting after a hard battle that was a fair fight and returning to an abusive situation.
There is no forgiveness owed and none will be given. Caucus fraud, misogyny and bullshit lies used to destroy the first viable female candidate AND her supporters. KOS,My D.D., D.U., Huffpo. Hatred meme spewed and encouraged. Posts left to stand by the bogus “left” as fueled by abuse and hatred as the KKK, or the white power “brotherhood.”
One post at KOS sticks with me.
“When this is all over we should take all the Hillary supporters out into the streets and shave their heads and humiliate them the way they did in France with those females.”
Comparing women standing with their candidate who had all been democrats their whole lives to Nazi women and threatening public violence and humiliation. That post and thousands like it were not only let stand but, encouraged. That little meme came right out of the Obama campaign.
The abusers don’t need to show up with roses for future elections. I’m done with them and their pathologically narcissistic candidate.
His supporters are enablers and bystanders.
There’s no use uniting with those wish you harm.
May they all get the four years they so richly deserve.
I was reading this on Debbie Schussel and it is another eye opener about The One.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
Comment by Facts-Please | 2008-11-13 12:55:49
I am not tying to change the subject or prove anything. I did not state a theory as if it was a fact, the initial poster did that, so I don’t have anything to prove.
But I can see that nobody is able to back up the assertions of the initial poster, which isn’t a surprise, since the assertions are false.
—————————————————– They are false why? Because he says so, or any site that supports him says so? Sorry not good enough.
He is very imperfect and you all will be very let down when truth does come out.
Somewhere today I came across “The Onion” online, which has a delicious essay on Obama skipping the country with all his $$ - it went on to reveal he’d been president or premier or prime minister of 45 countries.
I can’t quite believe someone is actually going to get by with sarcasm or even (gasp) *HUMOR* re The Messiah.
I’m going to sign up just to see if the Bots let this go on.
Are we really stuck with The One
Two observations:
I have heard ad nauseum the chant “I’m going to give BO a chance” from those who did not support him; this is ludicrous, he has proven what he is in Chicago, in the State Senate and the U.S. Senate, he is not going to all of a sudden morph into a great, experienced leader.
Just walked by a TV on CNN talking about the bus tour in Chicago of all the places BO frequented, his barber, his book shop, etc. So the media is digging in its heels even though they are beginning to realize what a delusional myth they have promoted and know they helped to create a monster who will finish the job that the greedy white collar criminals started. They’re not going to admit what they’ve done for awhile.
Excellent analysis of the situation, OGG. Re: Moonies, I could tell you how my neighborhood, many years ago, dealt with an aggressive investation of them, but I’m not certain that the statue of limitations has run out yet.
Most people, perhaps even most Texans, don’t realize even now how much Ike devastated the Texas coastal region, how slow FEMA and even the state government have been to help. It’s a mess, and people there are struggling. Much that was beautiful and productive and historic has been destroyed, and it’s going to take a lot of work and money to restore even some of it.
WCA, I don’t know if this is allowed here, but I sometimes hire freelance artists and illustrators in my business. If LJ and NOQ will allow me to convey contact info to you, I will.
Wow.
Sorry guys, but I’m going to have to go ahead and invoked Godwin’s Law here.
Sorry, but this post is ridiculous.
Matt
Too bad Matt. The similarities here now to the Weimar Republic, circa 1933 and its aftermath, are too much to ignore. It appears that Godwins law is n/a at this juncture.
What is the role of Daily Kos now? Just asswipes for the government?
I’ll go with the truly great social critic Art Buchwald, not Markos aka Robespierre aka Squealer from Animal Farm. I’m against whoever is in power.
Obama is using hypnosis, there is a video AAps, that shows he is doing the same things as hitler did..be ready…its going to get bad, it already has started with the gays, it will get much worse in a short time.
some blacks in my comunity are fearing some thing might happen to him in the next 6 months and are expecting civil unrest as the result.
in 1938 hitler had a dejected people and a poorer news media, we however have this blog and others that can get out the truth, even if it is not picked up bye the major news out lets,wich provides some checks and balances.
he has the potential for good and bad hopefully we and others can push him twards the good,and he dosnt let his inner circle of fenatic suporters have the last word.