Comments on: Wes Clark Says the GM Bailout is Good for National Security http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:53:59 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: richard mauurice http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1163966 richard mauurice Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:26:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1163966 I think the big problem all over the North America is with forein imports even on clothing to cars .we can not compite with salaries of 2 dollars an hour .The costs of living over here is not the same as the undevelope countries .Big companies pay taxes and the salaries employies also .How can we keep the North American people have a living up to our needs .health care ,pension and education and rents are all too important to us and our people .But the big bonsus and big ceo salaries they are the one that affects our econcomy .The big 3 started here and made our country what it is . I think the big problem all over the North America is with forein imports even on clothing to cars .we can not compite with salaries of 2 dollars an hour .The costs of living over here is not the same as the undevelope countries .Big companies pay taxes and the salaries employies also .How can we keep the North American people have a living up to our needs .health care ,pension and education and rents are all too important to us and our people .But the big bonsus and big ceo salaries they are the one that affects our econcomy .The big 3 started here and made our country what it is .

]]> By: logan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1144228 logan Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:42:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1144228 Maybe GM should include a DVD of 'Pearl Harbor' with each new vehicle. It was American manufacturing that helped the US win WWII. It also saved alot of American lives. Maybe, if it had gone the other way. Alot of these naysayers would not even exist. They would have no parents or grand parents. Cars that dont last? We have.. 2001 Cadillac DTS 182k miles. 2003 Saturn VUE 147k miles. Just bought a new 2009 Chevrolet Traverse. (01/03/2009) Others we have had.. 1992 Pontiac Bonneville. 232k. 1993 Cadillac SLS. 224k. 1987 Buick turbo. 230k. Maybe GM should include a DVD of ‘Pearl Harbor’ with each new vehicle.

It was American manufacturing that helped the US win WWII. It also saved alot of American lives.

Maybe, if it had gone the other way. Alot of these naysayers would not even exist. They would have no parents or grand parents.

Cars that dont last?

We have..

2001 Cadillac DTS 182k miles.
2003 Saturn VUE 147k miles.

Just bought a new 2009 Chevrolet Traverse. (01/03/2009)

Others we have had..

1992 Pontiac Bonneville. 232k.
1993 Cadillac SLS. 224k.
1987 Buick turbo. 230k.

]]> By: gmsupporter http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1094197 gmsupporter Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:17:54 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1094197 Sounds like you could use a Union in your shop. Sounds like you could use a Union in your shop.

]]> By: gmsupporter http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1094151 gmsupporter Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:42:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1094151 There is not one assembly worker that makes $70 per hour. The last contract changed the wages to a 2-tier system with new employees making $16 per hour and existing employees making $27-$28 per hour. The $70 figure comes from taking the costs of every single retiree GM has and all other benefits costs and divides that by the number of working employees. They then take take that number (which is roughly $42) and add it to the hourly wage. The $70 number is excessively inflated. The union employees have taken concessions and a huge change in their healthcare package. Let me tell you, our Country would not have the standard of living it had up until now if it weren't for the unions and General Motors. I'm not saying there aren't flaws there - there are many - but allowing people to make a decent living isn't a sin. Bankruptcy is not an option. People will be afraid to buy from them and the only thing that bankruptcy will do for GM is allow GM to break their promises to their suppliers and employees. We need these jobs and we need the money to stay here in America. GM is really only asking for a loan. They believe they will have it paid back within 2-3 years. If the US auto industry goes under, it is going to be "ugly" for everyone. I guarantee there won't be many who will be able to afford your "import". There is not one assembly worker that makes $70 per hour. The last contract changed the wages to a 2-tier system with new employees making $16 per hour and existing employees making $27-$28 per hour. The $70 figure comes from taking the costs of every single retiree GM has and all other benefits costs and divides that by the number of working employees. They then take take that number (which is roughly $42) and add it to the hourly wage. The $70 number is excessively inflated. The union employees have taken concessions and a huge change in their healthcare package. Let me tell you, our Country would not have the standard of living it had up until now if it weren’t for the unions and General Motors. I’m not saying there aren’t flaws there – there are many – but allowing people to make a decent living isn’t a sin. Bankruptcy is not an option. People will be afraid to buy from them and the only thing that bankruptcy will do for GM is allow GM to break their promises to their suppliers and employees. We need these jobs and we need the money to stay here in America. GM is really only asking for a loan. They believe they will have it paid back within 2-3 years. If the US auto industry goes under, it is going to be “ugly” for everyone. I guarantee there won’t be many who will be able to afford your “import”.

]]> By: Bob http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1082583 Bob Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:51:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1082583 I work in a factory on an assembly line that supplies parts to the big 3. I only make a little less than $12 per hour. We get a cost of living increase of 2% every year, but we haven't gotten one in a last couple of years. Our benefits have been getting cut because of the big 3. The big 3 have been demanding that their suppliers sell them parts cheaper and cheaper. That means my company has to cut our benefits and workforce. Whereas, alot of us have to do TWO jobs and work faster for the same pay. Bullshit. Let the big 3 go fail!! I work in a factory on an assembly line that supplies parts to the big 3. I only make a little less than $12 per hour. We get a cost of living increase of 2% every year, but we haven’t gotten one in a last couple of years.

Our benefits have been getting cut because of the big 3. The big 3 have been demanding that their suppliers sell them parts cheaper and cheaper. That means my company has to cut our benefits and workforce. Whereas, alot of us have to do TWO jobs and work faster for the same pay. Bullshit. Let the big 3 go fail!!

]]> By: Marat http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1069186 Marat Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:31:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1069186 Almost 9years ago i bout Plymouth Grand Voyager. Runs great, 187,000 on it, never fail. Almost 9years ago i bout Plymouth Grand Voyager. Runs great, 187,000 on it, never fail.

]]> By: Gene http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1047859 Gene Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:09:59 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1047859 They make hybrids. You haven't looked lately. They also have many cars that get over 30 mpg. look that one up, too They make hybrids. You haven’t looked lately. They also have many cars that get over 30 mpg. look that one up, too

]]> By: mark http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1046884 mark Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:48:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1046884 a lot of people are putting this GM problem on the union employees. I guess that is easy you can find out what they are being paid. I don't see any wage, and beny package of management!!! Also the person on the production line does't not deciede to build cars that get 20 miles to the gallon and have more add ons than I can list this is done by management. I also think you should think about all the other jobs that will go down the drain and the tax money that will not be collected this will be very hard on all of us. MT a lot of people are putting this GM problem on the union employees. I guess that is easy you can find out what they are being paid. I don’t see any wage,
and beny package of management!!! Also the person on the production line does’t not deciede to build cars that get 20 miles to the gallon and have more add ons than I can list this is done by management. I also think you should think about all the other jobs that will go down the drain and the tax money that will not be collected this will be very hard on all of us.
MT

]]> By: Check the Facts http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1046122 Check the Facts Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:18:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1046122 Fact: William C. Durant founded GM with J.P. Morgan money funding his acquisition of Buick then the others (Cadilac etc....). The current state of GM going bankrupt, aided by J.P. Morgan's analyst Patel making statements, will have the end result of the J.P. Morgan family getting our (taxpayer's) money for nothing. Fact: William C. Durant founded GM with J.P. Morgan money funding his acquisition of Buick then the others (Cadilac etc….). The current state of GM going bankrupt, aided by J.P. Morgan’s analyst Patel making statements, will have the end result of the J.P. Morgan family getting our (taxpayer’s) money for nothing.

]]> By: Chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1044870 Chris Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:42:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1044870 Absolutely correct but will it happen? Probably not because too many elected officials owe too many favors for their positions of power, including the One. Plus the controlling party (Dems) want to manage every private citizen's life. There is only one small hope in my opinion, and that's for all of us to blitz our representatives daily not to vote for anymore bailouts for private industry. Absolutely correct but will it happen? Probably not because too many elected officials owe too many favors for their positions of power, including the One. Plus the controlling party (Dems) want to manage every private citizen’s life. There is only one small hope in my opinion, and that’s for all of us to blitz our representatives daily not to vote for anymore bailouts for private industry.

]]> By: Chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1044857 Chris Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:33:41 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1044857 So you think govt should control healthcare too? Recipe for disaster. How about going after the big lobbyists for the pharma companies or the insurance companies. Lobbying should have never been allowed. Was supposed to be illegal at one point in time but oh how that changed. So many things should be changed that nothing probably ever will. The perfect storm has made landfall in the good old USA. So you think govt should control healthcare too? Recipe for disaster. How about going after the big lobbyists for the pharma companies or the insurance companies. Lobbying should have never been allowed. Was supposed to be illegal at one point in time but oh how that changed. So many things should be changed that nothing probably ever will. The perfect storm has made landfall in the good old USA.

]]> By: Chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1044846 Chris Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:25:05 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1044846 "when car makers make the cars we want" Let's not forget that we consumers loved buying those SUVs and kept that market humming for quite a number of years. We loved those cars and only stopped buying them when gas prices started to get too pricey. Thye were so much cooler than the beloved minivan. Not until gas got over $3 a gallon did sales begin to slip. Consumers have a hand in this disaster too. “when car makers make the cars we want”
Let’s not forget that we consumers loved buying those SUVs and kept that market humming for quite a number of years. We loved those cars and only stopped buying them when gas prices started to get too pricey. Thye were so much cooler than the beloved minivan. Not until gas got over $3 a gallon did sales begin to slip. Consumers have a hand in this disaster too.

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1044170 Ani Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:44:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1044170 Great post, Heidi. I'm with you. I think we send a very dangerous message with these bailouts. Great post, Heidi. I’m with you.

I think we send a very dangerous message with these bailouts.

]]> By: Heidi Li http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1044106 Heidi Li Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1044106 We have a process for aiding distressed companies: it is called Chapter 11. It is overseen by a bankruptcy court, to ensure that a company operating while in Chapter 11 does so according to basic minimum standards of good business sense. The company submits to a court a business plan - how it will pay creditors, how it is going to restructure so that it can emerge from bankruptcy. Part of the plan can be how to handle the issue of warrantying cars that are being produced by a company that may not survive a bankruptcy - although the usual way of dealing with this is to drop prices. The point is, we HAVE a system for dealing with distressed companies, and some very large companies - e.g. U.S. Steel - who were no less important to national security than GM is, have gone through that system. Congress and Sec. Paulson opened a pandora's box with TARP and there's no telling when the handouts will end. We have a process for aiding distressed companies: it is called Chapter 11. It is overseen by a bankruptcy court, to ensure that a company operating while in Chapter 11 does so according to basic minimum standards of good business sense. The company submits to a court a business plan – how it will pay creditors, how it is going to restructure so that it can emerge from bankruptcy.

Part of the plan can be how to handle the issue of warrantying cars that are being produced by a company that may not survive a bankruptcy – although the usual way of dealing with this is to drop prices.

The point is, we HAVE a system for dealing with distressed companies, and some very large companies – e.g. U.S. Steel – who were no less important to national security than GM is, have gone through that system.

Congress and Sec. Paulson opened a pandora’s box with TARP and there’s no telling when the handouts will end.

]]> By: Fredster http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/17/wes-clark-says-the-gm-bailout-is-good-for-national-security/#comment-1044090 Fredster Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:02:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=6198#comment-1044090 Oh! Oh! I want an Escalade please!! LOL!! Oh! Oh! I want an Escalade please!!

LOL!!

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