Democracy is Depressing
By Larry Johnson on November 18, 2008 at 11:48 PM in Current Affairs
I cannot stay away from this. It is mind boggling how ignorant and uninformed many voters were about fundamental facts in the election. Pollster John Zogby, partnered with John Ziegler, the mastermind of this interview, probably won’t be invited to the White House for any party during the Obama Administration. Watch it and weep:
Zogby then went out and did a scientific survey with a statistically significant sample. Here is what he found:
Zogby Poll
512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points
97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates
Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions
57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).
And yet…..
Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her “house,” even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.
Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we “gave” one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)
Of course, who needs facts when you have that Messianic zetigeist? The following video captures the creepiness of the religious fanaticism that infects many in the Obama crowd:
In light of the video of the ill-informed Obama voters I guess we must call this, “Dopes with Hope.” Right?
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Did ANYONE question WHY OBarnum won? I actually had continual arguments like THIS with people who have jobs, are educated, etc. who had NO IDEA WTF was going on. It’s why I lose all of my friends. Because stupidity and ignorance piss me off. I will always contend that if people had a CLUE they NEVER would have voted for FRAUDVOMIT.
I always appreciate reading your posts, but I must respectfully disagree with you on this in re people knowing the facts about Obama.
I have a good friend who I have been telling the facts to since February. Granted he was a Hillary supporter and loves her and voted for her in the primary. But I kept working on him anyway to make sure he knew who Obama was. After the nom was stolen and given to O, my friend made it clear to me that ‘he would vote for a geranium if he were a Democrat.’
It did not matter how much information I gave him — this is a super educated and incredibly smart man — he looked at McCain and was willing to believe he had been eaten by Evangelicals (even though they all sat home on election day) and he believed that Palin was the anti-Christ. And a “Barbie”.
There was absolutely no getting through to him.
Now after the fact, I am still telling him the facts — he still defends the guy although he is not thrilled.
Didn’t matter — he still voted for him.
It is amazing how many people are willing to believe that one party is the devil and the other are angels no matter what you tell them.
It was heartbreaking to see I could not make a dent in someone who otherwise trusts my opinion.
Obama had to have been stopped in the primary. Once he got the Dem label, it was hard for people like your friend to not elect a Dem in this particular year. I know a few others who refused to acknowledge all his problems.
It was heartbreaking to see I could not make a dent in someone who otherwise trusts my opinion.
Doesn’t this just prove Larry’s point, Ani?
Well, there’s no question that the Bush factor GREATLY influenced this election. I went through similar discussions with my husband. He kept insisting that there was no alternative but to vote BO.
One of the things that angered me about this election was how so many of the same people who gave us Bush, were bound and determined to do penance by voting 0bama.
It never occured to them that if they voted for Bush, their judgement should be called into to question.
Still, I agree with the basic point of the post. Frankly, I personally know more people who fit the profile above who were absolutely clueless.
It’s amazing how many uninformed people there are in America and how they simply don’t care that they are.
Most people don’t really think too much. They adopt an image. Their lives are made up of choosing houses, wives, political parties, jobs, degrees, and even the way they talk by modeling after some image.
There’s not really any doubt about this. Look at the number of non-cooks who want professional kitchens. LOL*
Ditto for their political identities. Palin has to be a Barbie. Fey said so, right?
How uncool would it be to admit that she’s charming, bright, and even reasonable even though she’s a member of a church that seems very fundamentalist? That would require thinking outside of stereotypes!
Unsafe! Might not be liked!
Most people can’t stand not being one of the herd.
I can’t bear it!
I agree AnninCA; a lot is rides on “belonging” and “being accepted” and they are so caught up on this that they completely shut off their brains to look into or read anything “the outsiders” say.
I agree AnninCA; a lot rides on “belonging” and “being accepted” and they are so caught up on this that they completely shut off their brains to look into or read anything “the outsiders” say.
Well I didn’t know Biden quit a campaign because of plagiarism, but I would have guessed it right. So count me in that .5% Pretty damn sad, a high school drop out who got his GED while in the Navy does better than the college grads
if biden had to quit a campaign because of plagiarism why wasn’t obama kicked to the curb long ago? he’s stolen speeches from his buddy deval, policy proposals from Hillary, and much more…..
I can’t stand that people are willing to ignore the lies and the fraud committed during this election. it’s disgusting.
They tried to use that against 0bama, but it didn’t work.
Also, the age of the Internet and computers have greatly influenced the way young people study. Students COPY & PASTE their assignments all the time, buy term papers online and other such stuff. It’s hard to keep track because there’s so much info and so easily accessible.
The new generation doesn’t see it as a problem. Unless you steal something outright and publish it and make money, it’s not a big deal to people.
Being from a different generation, I don’t get it.
Dopes with Hope…good one Larry
There goes another hopeless dope (good description of an Obama supporter).
Will hope put food on the table if a depression comes? A lot of people will be disappointed. I fear where their anger will take us.
Funny, the media and Obama supporters kept telling us how Obama supporters had a higher level of education than Hillary and McCain supporters.
Anytime I see people using a credential to “prove” intelligence,” I know I’m talking to someone who looks at image and that’s it.
Bright shows through how someone puts together their ideas, thoughts, etc., and requires no outside validation.
Education IS great. I’m all for it. But it’s not everything.
Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity.
True Harp….but this is no longer a Democracy.
Comment from Hannity`s site:
Read this slowly. Let it sink in. Quietly we go. Sheep to slaughter.
Absolutely The Funniest Joke Ever! . . . ON US
Does anybody out there have any memory of the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter Administration?
Anybody?
Anything?
No?
Didn’t think so.
Bottom line . . we’ve spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency the reason for which not one person who reads this can remember.
Ready? It was very simple, and at the time everybody thought it very appropriate.
The Department of Energy was instituted 8-04-1977 TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL.
HEY, PRETTY EFFICIENT, HUH?
AND NOW IT’S 2008, 31 YEARS LATER, AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS NECESSARY DEPARTMENT IS AT $24.2 BILLION A YEAR, THEY HAVE 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES AND LOOK AT THE JOB THEY HAVE DONE!
THIS IS WHERE YOU SLAP YOUR FOREHEAD AND SAY ‘WHAT WAS I THINKING?’
Ah yes, good ole bureaucracy. And now we are going to turn the Banking system over to them?
Ha!!!Just wait till we get the dept. of Health care up and running.
lol…Prozac for everyone.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/18353/
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Keith Olbervomit in one minute. This is ALSO why that prick won.
Any social scientist would know that the Zogby data this group paid for is worthless. In order for it to mean anything, they would have to do an identical poll on a matching sample of random people.
You can only prove the hypothesis that Obama voters are misinformed if you compare them against a control group representing a sample of Americans who may or may not have voted for Obama.
As for the Michael Moore style “interviews” those are complete garbage. It’s the old “talk to dozens and dozens of people and only show people who support your argument” gimmick, and only a sucker would watch for anything but entertainment.
that is foolish. that would only be true if you are interested in knowing there informed level versus the general population. That’s not the case. It shows they are misinformed. Period. If you don’t know the answer it doesnt matter if others do or don’t it just means you don’t. They don’t know jack.
Ah yes, but if the rest of the country doesn’t know jack either, that means we could have made the exact same video and poll about McCain supporters.
that maybe true, but you don’t know that and it is stupid for you to invalidate the survey because nobody did a “control” because it is irrelevant to this survey. It also may not be true as evidenced by this pew survey:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/993/who-knows-news-what-you-read-or-view-matters-but-not-your-politics
Rush Limbaugh and Hannity listeners are more informed then anyone. You don’t know if you “could have made the same video with McCain voters”, maybe they listen to Limbaugh and Hannity and are more informed.
Limbaugh and Hannity might know some bare facts when compared to the general population, because they are a niche market. People have to seek out Limbaugh and Hannity if they want to hear their message, and if they are willing to seek them out then the chances are pretty darn good that politics will be one of their hobbies.
How’s this for a control, according to Pew of all people surveyed 53% knew who controls congress while among Obie voters only 42% could.
So, by extrapolation, if Obie voters are at 42% while making up 52% of voters and the average is 53% and McCain voters make up 48% then that would mean McCain supporters must know the correct answer at a rate of around 65%. Meaning they are 50% better informed then you Obots.
Hey, good point about the “control” group!
shite! Joe the Plumber had more on the ball than the average BO Kool-aid addict.
Frakin BO make’s Bubbles (The Wire) look like a corporate lawyer.
I think it’s valid doing a poll of Obama voters, since he got 52% of the popular vote. We can thank our MSM for a lot of this, and let’s face it - most Americans just aren’t that curious about politics these days. Still, I think it’s tragic that over half surveyed could not correctly state that the Democrats control Congress - but they all sure as hell knew about the Sarah Palin wardrobe flap and the fact that her daughter is pregnant.
We’re in trouble as a Nation when so many get their news from Leno/Letterman, Jon Stewart and Bill Mahr.
word.
The problem, Justin, is that the Obama campaign was frequently boastful that THEIR supporters were BETTER EDUCATED than the average voter.
This survey is quite fair when looking at the election results from THAT perspective. This survey showed, quite frighteningly, that Obama’s supporters were/are NOT necessarily any better educated than the general public.
Justin, did you READ the article? (Can you read withh understanding?) Zogby also did a follow up poll of some 500 or so ramdon voters via telephone. Results - the same.
Ah. Justin. Most scientific data began as antidotal evidence, a spark of ingenuity. This whole 2008 election is giving us the best insight into the 300,000,000 citizens that make up this country and how they process information fed to them. And those “Obama supporters” were very passive people, intimidated at being put on the spot with questions they did not know how to answer - sort of like being a Civics pop quiz. Again, just antidotal, but they seemed to have joined the mob because it gives them a special status, not because Soertoro/Obama moved them with any specific ideology.
To gain any significant insight into Obama supporters’ reasons, the whole mob would have to be interviewed and the data compared to the whole society to pinpoint the differences between an Obama voter and the citizens who did not vote for “brand Obama”.
However, there are studies done on cults and cult personalities that could provide a starting point. The whole Obama cult (especially that Greek temple stuff) resembled a gathering of the Moonies to me and I felt like I was waiting for the mass marriage ceremony to begin.
This is truly sad. How can anyone take the responsibility of voting so lightly? Do they not realize that it not only affects them? It affects everyone. This man could destroy their children’s lives/futures, then they can say I remember when…try to explain to their children why they voted for someone whom they had zero knowledge about just because he had a D behind his name or he was African American.
Oh, btw Zogby wasn’t the “mastermind” of this sham, he was hired to do the poll, that’s all. The “mastermind” is a guy named John Ziegler and this is his website.
http://www.howobamagotelected.com/
STFU TROLL
Oh Justin, you’re such a dweeb, we already know about that website.
Then you should know that Zogby isn’t the “mastermind”.
We should KNOW that you are a bought and paid for POS troll who is a total moron.
Uh, who cares “Zogby isn’t the mastermind”. The people didn’t know the answer, just like when Howard Stern sent a reporter to Harlem.
You heard about that didn’t you?
Ah yes, Howard Stern is a renowned Sociologist. He knows all about how to conduct a valid survey with a true sample. He’s up there with Emile Durkheim and W.E.B. DuBois.
Isn’t it past your bedtime?
FYI, Stern wasn’t doing a survey
Just asking some simple folks some simple questions.
Justin, If you ask someone and they don’t know, they don’t know.
Yet this country is at it’s weakest when the electorate is un-informed. So it stands to reason that inferior people should not be employed.
Good luck with the un-enjoyment line.
It’s a poll. Geez. It makes a point. There is the video of people who don’t know a dam thing about the power stucture of their own government. How dumb is that?
Wasn’t DuBois an African-American? Or are you just a racist?
You might want to come down from your high horse and remember that many “polls” are little more than “man on the street” interviews (like the Stern case), but that really makes little difference. The majority of the “valid polls” taken (the ones that the networks and news organizations produce on a near-daily basis) involve fewer than 1500 people ACROSS THE WHOLE NATION. And, an unreasonable number of the polls dealing with the general election this year OVERsampled Democrats (or people likely to vote Democratic). Since none of us have the magic to access the raw data, it’s hard for us to find out how many people who answered the poll questions were discarded (believe it or not, that DOES happen). Most of the polls this year were no more reliable than those special interest questionnaires that are routinely sent out.
Tampa..I’m really looking forward to Sarah being Obama’s vice president..
and I’m so glad that Obama wants to stay in Iraq.
Yep Seattle, those Obama supporters are so darn smart!
Thanks for posting this story Larry.
Here is the Pew poll which shows the most informed people regarding politics watch Hannity or listen to Rush
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/993/who-knows-news-what-you-read-or-view-matters-but-not-your-politics
This video and the stats just reinforce what has made us NQers crazy these past months! The media totally controlled the message.
It’s very lonely (except here of course) to be the sole non-Obama worshiper in my neighborhood and county (SF Bay Area). My brother passed along this piece by Chris Hedges that dovetails with the Zogby findings–we’ve become an illiterate American-idol like electorate.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081110_america_the_illiterate/
Nobody likes to say the G word (Shh, Germany) in polite company but with our current economic crisis and our fallen standing in the world and the adoring crowds it’s just too much like Germany in the 30s.
Bayareavoter, you are absolutely right.–The mindless adoration of Obama is very remeniscent of the G 30′.— Its frightening.–
>>> Nobody likes to say the G word (Shh, Germany) in polite company but with our current economic crisis and our fallen standing in the world and the adoring crowds it’s just too much like Germany in the 30s.
Except the beer’s not as good and the women are skinnier here.
When do we invade Poland and annex Alsace and Lorraine?
Not so sure that Yankee women are skinnier. Have you even been to Germany? Where do you get your stats?
we’ve become an illiterate American-idol like electorate.
Exactly, bayareavoter. I had the same idea yesterday standing in the grocery store line. There was Obama and Michelle on the covers of US and People and several similar type magazines. It is unbelievable. They are just the latest new face and new star. Rock stars. Not leaders. Not even politicians. They are the new Lady Di. It is not policy or issues or leading the country that matters to this crowd. It is how many magazine covers can I get on this week or month.
No one may want to talk about it but it is in the history books for all to read. And there is always the Nuremnburg trial record to give us the unpleasant details.
We have two kinds of people in this country; the Ostrich People who bury their heads in the sand and the curious people with their necks stuck out. We had the same thing during the Revolutionary War; the Tories who liked the British ways and all those discontented rebels like Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Henry and so many, many more who stuck their necks out to “create a more perfect union”. And I do not believe we are going to let the Ostrich people take away what those founding fathers built with the sweat and blood of our forefathers. That is my hope.
Zogby is a world class joke! His pols are dog-shit. Get a grip, morons!
You get a grip azzhole.
MikeMc,
uh… good point.
what a moron…
While majorities in most Obama news audiences knew that the Democrats have a majority in the House, Patriotic viewers of Hannity & Colmes (84%), and listeners of Rush Limbaugh’s radio program (83%) scored best on this question. Large proportions of Normal Hannity & Colmes viewers (73%) and Limbaugh listeners (71%) also identified Rice as the secretary of state;
However, several news audiences with relatively low proportions of college graduates also scored well on the news quiz: for instance, 31% of regular Hannity & Colmes viewers are college graduates but these viewers did about as well on the political news quiz as the better educated SNOBS regular NPR audience
Please Obama first press conference and he had to say sorry to a former first lady for insulting her dead husband. The press will not even have to dig up anything. Obama is a joke and it will show when he speaks
Maybe we should ask those people if they can cash hope in the bank.
He gave less than 1% to charity do and nothing to his hungry family in Kenya do they really think he is going to help them?
He didn’t insult Ron. He made fun of Nancy and her Jeanne Dixon astrology hocus pocus.
I’m so glad you came here Justin. You remind us all of what garbage OVomit is and how stupid his drones are. Thanks for stopping by! You’re truly the biggest ad for your boss’s favorite thing in life - abortion. When they start mandatory aborting fetuses with teeny little IQs like yours, wonder how you will feel? LMFAO.
I’m not the one who mistook a jovial jab at Nancy Reagan’s belief in astrology (or cryptozoology, witchcraft, ley lines, Mary Todd Lincoln’s ghost, and whatever other supernatural nonsense she believes) for an insult to Ronald Reagan, so how can I be the dumb one?
“Jovial jab”???? Get real.
first of all, it apparently wasnt a “jovial jab” since Obie called to apologize, but beyond that if anyone is “dumb” here it is Obie (and you by extension) since Nancy was never connected to a seance, the only first lady who was is Hillary Clinton.
“It actually wasn’t Nancy Reagan who was linked to conversations with the dead; it was Obama’s top Democratic challenger for the presidency, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.” CBS News
Notice the piece says Clinton was “linked” to seances. Remember the good old days when the right “linked” everything to the Clintons? Rape, murder, you name it, the GOP “linked” it. Of course it was all patently false, unlike the FACT that Nancy believes in “star power”. LOL.
Gosh, you really are pathetic:
“In his 1996 book, “The Choice,” Washington Post editor and writer Bob Woodward said that as first lady, Sen. Hillary Clinton had seance-like sessions at the White House during which she conversed with late first lady Eleanor Roosevelt.”
Yeah, that right wing nutbar Bob Woodward. Would you like to admit your error now?
Hippy-dippy “evoking the spirit of Eleanor for guidance” maybe but not a seance in the sense that she really thought she was talking to the dead.
Unbelievable…..how dense can you be?
Have you never heard of guided image techniques?
how can I be the dumb one?…. you practice harder sparky.
Still defending Soertoro, Justin? Don’t you ever wonder why “the one” still takes up so much of your time defending his faux pas? Are you ever going to get any time off or get a promotion to a cubical or are you chained to a keyboard for the next four years?
No, actually he accused Nancy Reagan of holding seances, which is quite different than consulting an astrologist.
It’s not really that different.
Please….I know you’re not that stupid! On second thought, maybe you are.
First off astrology is an ancient art.
Second, BO thinks it shows diplomatic skills, I think it makes him look more like the fool’s fool that he is. It doesn’t matter who is on the recieving end.
He is a “stinky” ,”pathetic” human. (Not my word word for him, his wife and kids.)
Much as I personally never cared for Nancy
Reagan, she is a President’s wife and quite
an elderly person.
0Zero, as usual, DISRESPECTED an older WOMAN!!
Even if what he said was true, he should have
not mentioned this about her AT ALL.
Plus, and this is IMPORTANT, 0Zero knows NOTHING
of HISTORY and certainly is too LAZY to ever
check his facts before he blurts out his
DRIVEL…..
And don’t forget his Auntie O’DingDong living in the slums of Boston was it? Now she’s got an attorney (on the taxpayer’s dime I’m sure) fighting her deportation order.
O’DingDong? Was that her name? Really, Kathy? I find that hard to believe.
Throw a little Jack Daniels in your Koolaid. You’re really uptight.
I’m surprised John Zogby chose to conduct this poll. I can’t wait to watch the documentary about this.
As Riverdaughter says, the Media is the biggest threat to democracy.
This is OT, but it was posted at RD, and I don’t know how legit it is, but I figured the excellent researchers here could check out it’s validity:
This is very important for our national security. Please be aware that we are faced with a huge potential threat bigger than 9/11 or even Pearl Harbor and WWII. It is a 21 century Trojan horse in our back yard now. It is called Shariah Compliant Islamic Finance and it has been endorsed by the U. S. government. Billions of dollars of Islamic money is puring in to Wall Street and going to help bail out companies like AIG, Bank of America,, and soon GM and Ford, I am afraid. Harvard University has been holding seminars annually on this since the year before 9/11/2001! But no one seems to care. I sent out a petition on this issue last week to over fifty conservative members of “our community” and only two picked up on it and signed on board (A retired U. S. airforce Colonel and a Sacramento Rabbi with Middle East expertise) I have been urging people to investigate this issue before the United States inadvertently becomes another Denmark in the Muslim’s quest to take over and control the world. Here is the link. Please investigate by watching the video and then joining the petition to stop this nonsense now:
Video: http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/home/18-headline-item/518-shariah-compliant-finance-jihad-with-money
Petition:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/stopaig/
The Shariah banking video is very scary. I understand Great Britain has already passed laws through their parliament for Shariah courts that preside over domestic issues and finance. It is probable, after watching this, that the US is headed this way also. After this election and how it was stolen and how Bots, I know, don’t want to be confused by the facts, I don’t hold out much hope for fighting this. I suggest everyone watch this video link.
Great Britain has not passed such laws, Not through parliament, however stealth Sharia is creeping in through the justice system. FYI. You are right to be aware and concerned of these issues.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece
Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.
in other words they are exploiting a loophole which was not intended for them!
Under our Constitution there are no provisions for creating new religious courts. In fact, any religious intrusion in government is unconstitutional. And someone with expertise in international banking needs to look into the financial restrictions of investments with foreign religious groups who have threatened the United States.
And I paraphrase Patrick Henry here; I know not what course others may take but I will not live under Sharia law in the country my forefathers fought and died to free from foreign interference. And we need to know now what allegiance to what country and what religious law Mr. Soertoro, aka Barack Obama, has pledged himself to. Before December 15, 2008.
Wow, this video is great. It shows how media bias
play the role in Nov 4.
The person who produced this video is genius.
Make this a documentary on the election and take it to Cannes, Sundance, make a DVD and put it out in Walmart stores.
Can someone tell me why Fraudvomit STILL pays little losers and dirtbags like Justin to show up here? I mean, all it does is affirm the fact that Obama supporters are nothing but the lowest of dirt and scum America has to offer. I don’t get why Obama needs to continually prove that his voters are nothing but scum. WTF?
How come you only use the dirty words in acronyms?
They’re probably volunteering now. These Obots are so obsessed with all things Obama, they have to keep fighting the fight because they don’t know what else to do with themselves but preach and proselytize Obama. Moreover any criticism of His Magnificence sends them into a psychotic frenzy, complete with wailing, howling, winding their teeth and foaming at the mouth. After they clean themselves up, get back online and start pounding their keyboards trying to correct our errant criticism and questioning of Obama’s splendor.
Oops–that’s “grinding” their teeth. Same diff.
Moreover any criticism of His Magnificence sends them into a psychotic frenzy, complete with wailing, howling, winding their teeth and foaming at the mouth
No one projects like a No Quarterite.
(Watch Nate Silver take this clown out to the woodshed.)
Or like an obamaphile!
Your source is incorrect. It was NOT a push-poll. This, from Zogby himself:
“We stand by the results our survey work on behalf of John Ziegler, as we stand by all of our work. We reject the notion that this was a push poll because it very simply wasn’t. It was a legitimate effort to test the knowledge of voters who cast ballots for Barack Obama in the Nov. 4 election. Push polls are a malicious effort to sway public opinion one way or the other, while message and knowledge testing is quite another effort of public opinion research that is legitimate inquiry and has value in the public square. In this case, the respondents were given a full range of responses and were not pressured or influenced to respond in one way or another. This poll was not designed to hurt anyone, which is obvious as it was conducted after the election. The client is free to draw his own conclusions about the research, as are bloggers and other members of society. But Zogby International is a neutral party in this matter. We were hired to test public opinion on a particular subject and with no ax to grind, that’s exactly what we did. We don’t have to agree or disagree with the questions, we simply ask them and provide the client with a fair and accurate set of data reflecting public opinion.” - John Zogby
So happy you posted this. I couldn’t believe it when I saw this. I knew a majority of his voters were ignorant, but this was just amazing.
And you title is perfect. Yes, it surely is.
Ugh! WTH? If you can not inform yourself any better than that, don’t vote!!
I went to lunch with a friend that I haven’t seen in about a year. I asked her what she thought of
ourher new President. Her response? She voted for him! Her reason? McCain is just another Bush. The strange thing is she voted for Bush & bragged about what a good President he would be! It ticks me off that she just assumes that McCain is like Bush & Barky is going to bring change to our country. Well, she better hold on tight. The change that is coming her way is not what she bargained for!What is it with these a-wads who couldn’t pick a decent president if their life depended on it? I don’t know how many Obama supporters I’ve talked to that also voted for Bush.
Let’s see, how are they different? One is a Republican and white, one is Democrat and not. They must have said “Wow, we totally screwed up last time, let’s do a 180.”
Ah but what do they have in common? Both puppets for fascist corporate interests, both darlings of the media (at first), both uniquely unfit for office, both spread enough verbal manure to fertilize Kansas.
The morons picked the same guy twice, the only difference was the package.
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill
ha!
How’s the struggle? Conservatively be stupid! Terrorist! Racist! Socialist! Marxist! Communist! Infanticide! Maverick! Right of center America!
But…he is mr. hopey changey!
Larry,
This was the definitive statement on your integrity: re-write the article, delete the post that pointed out your mistake, and never admit anything.
i just read and watched the clip, and will go to the web site to research more - this, for me, has to be one of the most disturbing event that has happened in modern politics. How the uninformed has set in motion the future of our country without an regard to the facts.
God help us all.
The future is what the deserve - Russia or China - anyone?
So sad. The media projected George W. Bush’s ignorance onto Sarah Palin because she’s a woman. Disgusting. It’s further disgusting that Democrats are so shallow and hateful. Look at these people’s faces when they say Palin’s name. Fear, they were totally afraid that Palin would take the WH away from Obama (I almost wrote Bush!) May it be so in the future.
If one reads the transcript of Mr. Ziegler’s interview with Nate Silver it becomes very clear that Mr. Ziegler has an agenda. One he shares with Larry Johnson.
OMG! Sad, sad, really sad.
It really is sad. I know I teared up at the end there, because I know so many Americans, and especially Obots, are just THAT out of it. It’s sad because we know so much more about everything that went down, and it’s like ya can’t even talk to these people to explain because they won’t get it.
Gawd, and they just expose themselves to one sided media outlets–all saying the same thing to them.
ughhhhh.
Media tricked sooo many people.
Do you think, one day, we will all be vindicated? I think there’s bound to be backlash, and a wake up call to this country.
It’s sad. I don’t trust the media or government anymore–at all. And the American people? Fools galore. Can’t stand any of it.