Domestic terrorist Bill Ayers on NPR Today, on the usually well-regarded Fresh Air with Terry Gross
By No-nonsense Nancy on November 18, 2008 at 1:50 PM in Current Affairs
(No-Nonsense Nancy submitted a “venting” story, but it is an actual news tip! WTG, intrepid reporter No-Nonsense Nancy! We held this for confirmation but, as the screenshot below shows, Fresh Air finally updated its page. After the show, Nancy will keep an eye on their site, and send us a new story with a link to the audio and, I hope, her impressions of the interview. - Susan)
On Tuesday, Nov. 19th at 3PM — that’s today! — Terri Gross, the typically well-regarded interviewer for NPR, is going to interview Bill Ayers on her Fresh Air show. What is this? I am appalled! First Good Morning America and now NPR, as if he is this good old guy everybody should like. Is he going to get positive press and then worm his way in to the new administration and be accepted by the public? Does it not matter he is an unrepentant terrorist, admitting that he is not only an anarchist but a Marxist? If this is any indication of what to expect after January, I’m more scared than before.
Bill Ayers on NPR's Fresh Air
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Ayers may well be a Marxist, but I rather doubt it. Are there any true Marxists left?
In any case, if he’s socialist, etc., so are a lot of the country’s lefties. That doesn’t make him evil. That just makes him pretty pedantic, in my mind.
I think he’s getting attention because the story reminded people of his past, and they are curious. Good “color” story, in other words.
Nothing more.
Yeah. Besides he will be going to Caracas soon to take a leading professorship at the newly established university of socialism.
HE IS A TERRORIST — HE WILL ALWAYS BE A TERRORIST.
He has just found other ways to be destructive.
Lark — I hope he does go away — but I won’t wish him on any other country.
He should be on a devil’s island — on a prison work farm.
Not big on due process, I take it.
You really can’t see the difference between Bill Ayers and Osama bin Laden?
I would respectfully suggest that either your logic is faulty, or your knowledge of what Bill Ayers actually stood for, actively resisted, and actually did.
Ayers was a member of a militant organization that believed in using violence — blowing up buildings without regard to public safety (including a judge and his family) — to make more people aware and to encourage an ending to the Vietnam War. They used violence because they believed that they were morally right about the war, and had a moral imperative to do everything they could to end it because other methods of protesting weren’t working . They envisioned themselves as a type of “freedom fighters” who were fighting a revolution.
How is this different than foreign terrorists? They also believe that they are right and have a moral imperative to resort to violent measures to make their issues of protest known.
It is simply naive to believe that blowing up buildings or any other form of infrastructure may not involve the possibility of innocent citizens’ being harmed or killed.
The undercover FBI agent who infiltrated the Weather Underground, Larry Grathwol, has stated that Ayers showed little concern for the probability that innocent people would be harmed by their bombs. Ayers’ wife, Dohrn also was a member of the WU when they successfully bombed and killed a SF policeman’s association.
So, would that mean that the Bush administration might legitimately be seen as foreign terrorists by Iraqis?
How might Ayers have viewed a government that drafted people his own age to pursue another foreign war that they were morally opposed to? How might he have viewed the shooting of students at Kent State by that same government? What might he have thought about the assassination of a progressive American president, the murder of civil rights activists, or the assassinations of Martin Luther King and RFK?
I’m not justifying what Ayers did, but I understand it. He was a product of the times he lived in. The Weathermen did take care to avoid inflicting harm on human beings. This certainly stands in stark contrast to what we generally think of as terrorists, who make inflicting death and injury their goal. To apply the term to Ayers is to distort what people like Osama bin Laden are. Terrorists are people who have embraced not only a radical political doctrine and unlawful action, but evil.
She likes to play the contrarian. Sort of like Bill: aging hippie,supposedly Marxist, with two earings and a backpack, but we all know that without his rich capitalist father he would have been a nobody. Scratch that - he is a nobody.
They both used violence as a means to an end and come from wealthy famlies that protect them. How much more do you want.
wonder why he doesn’t go the New York Marxist School.
Please pray that they keep him, FOREVER.
Well, he’s basically on a book tour right now. He has RE-released his most recent book and is promoting it anywhere they’ll have him. In other words
–The American people do not care one single bit about his relationship with Obama. In fact, according to Rasmussen, Obama’s approval ratings are higher than ever
–Bill Ayers plans to MAKE MONEY off his role in the campaign
–Media outlets are happy to give him a platform to do this
What is going on? I really, really don’t understand it!!!! Sometimes I really think the world has gone crazy.
I’d forgotten about that. You’re right. It’s his book tour gig.
Why wouldn’t the media give him an outlet? He’s now quite famous again.
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Lorelai, I am with you. Bill Ayers is nothing but a rich punk who got his kicks in his youth creating chaos to fill his days. The fact that he wrote his books and dedicated them to the likes of Sirhan Sirhan and cop killers, tells me that he’s completely full of hate and contempt for the very country that gives him his daily comforts. Since when do people like him are called “respected” citizens. He’s no better than Timothy McVeigh.
I told my husband that if this joker finds his way to the WH visiting his dear friend barry, I’m going to be a Republican for life. That kind of trash should never be allowed to set foot in the WH.
He is a self proclaimed communist and anarchist. He espouses the virtues of socialism and radical overthrow of our capitalist government, including advocating the use of violence to meet his end goals.
While he does believe the youth of the country should be indoctrinated into his way of thinking through education, he is not simply pedantic, as he has bombed federal buildings and caused the loss of human life.
He is a danger, and the misplaced Hollywood drama attributed to him is fool hearty and just plain wrong.
But as we have seen, the media and Hollywood have no sense of right or wrong, good or bad. They do whatever they like because people follow them blindly.
Guilty as Hell,
Crazy as a loon,
Popular as Elvis,
Rich as Rockefeller,
Is this a great country or what!?!?
Oh well….in Democracy, it takes all kinds.
He is an enemy of democracy — that’s what you trolls do not understand.
HE TERRORIZED THE US — The is NEVER any forgiveness for creeps like this.
He is a Narcissist.
You’re into psychobabble.
BUT…..I was a member of the SDS in my youth. I didn’t have a clue about what was really going on, of course.
It was just an anti-war effort, and I was spot on with that.
The 60’s were a time of rebellion and turmoil, but I definitely was on “that” side, in terms of principles and philosophy.
I don’t feel that way about Iraq. It’s not a draft, for one. I just don’t see it in the same light, so I’m not a “progressive” and never understood the anti-war venom. I understood being angry at Bush over the lie. That was big, serious, and wrong.
But not the war.
Annin: I lived in the counter culture during the 60’s, 70’s until the early 80’s. I know a lot of people who were into a lot of different aspects of how to change the world. Not one would sit in the same room with this scum.
He is a man who brutalized one girlfriend (challenging her to prove she wasn’t a racist by forcing her to have sex with a black “friend”) and another one was blown to smithereens in a bomb gone wrong. That he didn’t kill by his own hand is sheer accident and not for the lack of trying.
He is a liar, full of himself, and a danger to our system of government…whether by illegal acts or by influence in the educational system. And that goes for the wife too.
Stop trying to justify this creep. It only makes you sound pathetic.
BTW, Eichmann didn’t use is own hand to kill either but he sure as hell organized it. Just as Bill Ayers did. Spoiled little bastard that he is.
Hi Annie, I posted a link to an account of this incident farther on down the thread.
Was he charged and convicted?
Or is this gossip?
Charged and convicted for violence to his girlfriend in the 1960’s???? You make no sense.
It’s not gossip. It purports to be a first-hand account, and it’s either the truth, or it’s a baldfaced lie. If it is a lie, it is a very artful and persuasive lie. If it’s the truth, it speaks more about the character of Bill Ayers than anything else I’ve seen. Everyone should evaluate the narrative for themselves.
I read the article and did a google search on Donna Ron - the women who wrote the article and ‘victim’ of Bill Ayers.
What I find AMAZING is this same woman wrote on Obama’s website blog the importance of supporting Obama and Biden. What is up with this woman??
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/donnajoy/gGgz5F
Boxer Mum, thanks for the link. I actually find no difficulty reconciling the “Donna Ron” of the Ayers account with “Donna Ron,” the Israeli Obama supporter. In fact, it makes sense, and the Obama support statement makes me tend to believe her earlier (2006) account of the Ayers incident.
As a followup to the post above referencing “Donna Ron’s” post on Obama’s site, a commentor on Obama’s blog asked Donna Ron the following (unanswered) questions:
AnniCollier: I was part of the counterculture in the 60’s and 70’s and everyone knew he was a wimp and that Bernadette was the power and the mouth. No one respected them even then because all they did was incite other people to do things (especially her) and never do them themselves and let everyone else go to jail. I find him revolting and still a whiney wimp. She is dangerous. I can not understand why all of a sudden they are respectable people. Crazy stuff…If they end up in the White House for any reason I am moving to New Zealand.
i too lived in that period and worked for mccarthy. i take great offense at your oh well attitude toward a man who planned on killing americans. it is insulting.
Well, frankly, I think you guys are over-the-top.
This was a long time ago.
What grabs my attention?
Abortion clinic bombers today.
So you just go right ahead with this reaction. I hear you.
I moved on many, many years ago.
ann what you don’t get is that we all moved on and for the most part live very successful lives. however we also gained enough street smarts to know a loser, a fraud and a liar. shame that you don’t consider those things. my reaction???? naw your reaction!
Ditto stodgie. Happy to have lived through it in order to have moved on.
I won’t forget the lies of the sex, drugs and rock & roll days. Not everything was negative but I see the results of a lot of our mistakes that my grandsons will have to contend with now. Kicking over the boundaries comes with a price and sometimes I wonder if it was worth it.
I don’t really follow your post.
Unfortunately, the people that were killed did not get to move on with their lives…..
Will you please leave us alone with your moral relativism and your “worldly” condesending blather?!
Amen there brothersister!
So was the murder of JFK. So was the murder of RKF. So was the murder of MLK. I guess we should get over that too.
I guess you see nothing wrong with Charles Manson either. He supposedly never killed those people by his hands, and his now harmless rotting in prison. Should we let him out and teach at a university?
But anyone who actually reads it [Ayers' book] knows immediately that what he is defending is not opposition to the Vietnam War, but his own and his comrade’s record of terrorism. There were thousands of patriotic Americans who opposed that war — a miniscule minority supported or endorsed the actions of the Weatherman faction of SDS and the bombing campaign they undertook when they went underground. Indeed, most of the mainstream cadre of the organization viewed Ayers and his group as a force that undermined their own credibility and helped to isolate what they hoped was a genuine peace movement.
by ron radosh
from Pajama media (dot) com
Ann — do you why keep coming here and proving that you are a troll?
You are defending a domestic terrorist — the UNIBOMBER is in jail and Ayers is “free as a bird”. Ayers should be in jail — and he is still a terrorist today — he is an unrepentant terrorist. His age does not remove the fact that he tried to bring about change in the US using violent tactics. He is a rich narcissistic immature frat boy.
Anyone who goes around bragging about what he got away with — shows clearly that he is a narcissist — just an old fart narcissist — but he still craves the attention. He is PROUD of what he did.
YOU are defending him and claim that what he did was a long time ago — HE has yet to apologize to the people he terrorized.
He admits he is GUILTY.
YOU claim that what he did was a long time ago. NO he is reliving his past TODAY and forcing many of us to relive days of terror.
What he did cannot be forgive and he cannot be rehabilitated — because he has NEVER admitted that his methods were wrong and that he was responsible for the deaths of many — including the students murdered at Kent State.
I remember when college students were all considered the enemy — bumper stickers on the cars of the old farts told us we were the enemy. Ayers was responsible for this division between generations — and it was he who told students to go home and kill their parents. I NEVER took drugs — I studied hard and got my degrees. I went to college with Vietnam vets who were against the war. My father was career military — opposed to the war, because he saw that it was based on a lie. Ayers harmed the peace movement — and he did it for his own self glory.
Ayers is still an evil person — ruled by his Shadow self. He should be shunned by the media and given zero time.
you’re just as insane as he is if you don’t think it’s sick to bomb buildings and kill innocent people.
Bingo.
Thank you Bee-bop and wodiej!
Zeppo died in 1979. Groucho and the obscure Gummo preceded him in 1977. Harpo honked his last horn in 1964, and Chico left first, in 1961.
But your point is well taken. AnninCA: true Marxism has been in decline for a long time.
He’s a maoist and a despicable wimp.
Boring drivel. Not the interview (which was pretty interesting) but this silly comment on it. Why not wait till you actually hear it before judging?
So the guy’s an “unrepentant terrorist.” Hmmm. It’s kind of hard to “repent” of something one doesn’t admit to. In Ayer’s mind, he was never a terrorist. He’s not very convincing on that score, but lack of “repentance” is kind of a silly thing to add to the counts against him.
And he “admits” to being an anarchist, and — Yikes! a Marxist! You say that as if you’d caught him in some depraved act. Sorry folks, but neither of those ideological stances are crimes in this country.
The guy should have done jail time. The fact he didn’t is due to the hysteria-ridden, ends-justifies-means (er, “no quarter” philosophy?) over-reaching by the federal government, which resulted in the charges against him getting thrown out. We’re seeing the same kind of fiasco now with the “war on terror.”
I’m not happy the fool is pulling in book royalties, but folks have gone way overboard in demonizing him.
This is simply insane! I lost all respect for Terry Gross when I heard her interview (just before the election I think) one of the writers or producers and they just trashed Sarah.
I’m a member of WHYY. I used to like Terry Gross. Not anymore. No more will I support this unabashed biased journalism with my money.
Scary stuff and one reason why I turned to this website, other than the Palin bashing. People will rationalize anything.
The payoff tribute to an agent provocateur…
providing sympathetic left cover to those of us appalled by Veitnam atrocities and lies…but who see into the dupe networks and cult which is Ayers and NPR.
Remember Johnson was against the war,(actually Terri Gross out had a fine program that aired Johnson’s White House conversations) Johnson was worried
that the antiwar movement was a communist subversion group- Yes a British, Fabian Socialist trained jacobin attack against the USA and the begining of the industrial decline of the USA to which we are seeing the end crisis in today’s economic collapse at the hands of the finance pirates who fund Ayers, Obama, etc. He was right.
Remember that Marx was deployed by the British as a counter to American System economist Henry C. Carey,
the critic of Adam Smith and the ‘free market’ charade.
You should be more scared. Hillary for SoS and meetings with McCain shows that Obama does not have a clue about anything. Most people wish this man well. They say for the sake of the country. Can you wish chaos well? I guess a better chaos is preferable over just mild chaotic processes.
I important to listen to Bill Ayers to find exactly what Obama will do when chaos matures. What kind of anarchism will Obama use to bring about a suspension of the civil rights? What kind of Marxism should we look forward to have?
Hillary and McCain can now unwrap for Obama the policies he so aptly appropriated for his campaign rhetoric. Lets hope they do so swiftly and succinctly. Lets see. Go to the left two steps, go to the right three, now to the left again five steps, now go to the right eleven. Where are we now?
You do the Hopey-Dopey and you turn yourself around–
That’s what it’s all about!
I believe people eventually get their karma whether it’s in this life or the next, and Ayers will someday pay for his arrogance and past violence.
I think this attention is not going to be good for him in the long run.
His attitude is rather disturbing. He doesn’t take any responsibility for his involvement in violent efforts.
A lot of students, frankly, will think about that one. I think it went under the radar with the new generation. Until now…..
It’s very hard to listen to someone who rationalizes violence and death in the name of any cause. It would be like going to school with someone who bombs abortion clinics and blames the doctors for their own deaths: They shouldn’t have been there.
So, I agree. What goes round comes around.
And I was shocked when Marion Berry got re-elected in D.C. after being videotaped doing crack with hookers. Lets see, Oprah crucified that white guy who fudged a book she had endorsed for his dishonesty but she is orgasmic over her precious, who has just lied about his involvement with a domestic terrorist. O.J. walked after murdering his wife. Who says that African Americans get a raw deal in this country?
Amen to that.
Oh boy. . .
Obama’s got a secret hottie!!
http://www.tinyurl.com/5c8s3j
Wow.
And didn’t I read a few months ago that she spoke out about being his e-mailing buddy? He denied it and said it was actually one of his aides who was e-mailing her. So much for respecting his “rock”.
Am I the only one who doesn’t get the whole “Obama is hot” thing? Cause the guy looks like a skinny nerd to me. Why do women consider him so attractive??
I don’t get it!
He’s too skinny!!! (and arrogant!)
PC Nonsense.
I agree w your assessment, the big ears too. However, I wouldn’t like him no matter what he looks like. He’s disturbed and he has no integrity or principles.
Why do some women think he’s hot? Why do some women stay with men who beat the hell out of them and otherwise treat them like shit??!! Money, power, no respect or identity for themselves….if that is a person’s criteria for likability, you get what you get, no substance and you get what’s comin’ to ya.
ditto. When a person’s character is shady…the exterior can’t mask the person. He’s ugly, both inside and outside. He and his wife make me want to puke whenever I see them. Good riddance in four years.
His aides? Heck, it’s probably Donna Brazile e-mailing her. Donna has a girl-crush and an itchy e-mail finger. Sorry for putting a bad picture into your head.
The thought of Donna sending Scarlett “start some lovin’” instead of her usual “stop the hate”…LMAO. What a visual.
AAAAUUUGGGGHHH!
Personal fantasies are lovely because they are just that…..personal.
Tall with a nice smile and has hair, and then there’s the whole he’s a great Liberal man BS these women buy into.
I have many friends who like skinny guys.
Me? I like bear-types. Bulky is good. Get skinnier in later life? That’s OK.
But I’m not into string-beans.
But a lot of my friends are.
Live and Let Live as to personal fantasy choices!
In regards to Scarlet’s secret Obama tattoo: I have seen privy photos that reveal she also has a B tattooed on her left cheek, so that when she bends over it spells her lover’s name.
Oowawa, you crude Bozo. That should say: “so that when she bends over it spells her lover’s initials.”
I stopped listening to Terry Gross about a year ago, when she took here “entertainment” show seriously (and sharply left) political.
Oh, and in case anyone missed it, IMHO, Bill Ayers=Tim McVeigh, regardless of what the feckless media is trying to do to “rehabilitate” him. Two differences–McVeigh was a competent domestic terrorist, and he received his due justice.
Timothy McVeigh was poor.
Bill Ayers had a very rich father influential in Illinois politics. Bill Ayers encouraged others to “kill your parents, that’s what it’s all about,” and it was his father who paid for his defense and ultimately got him off on a technicality.
I’m not saying McVeigh would have got off with the same connections, but class definitely played a part in Ayer’s ability to escape justice.
True enough–that, and Ayers was such a miserable terrorist, and his accomplices were such incompetent bomb makers that they killed as many of their own people as they did others.
Still, he was and is a McVeigh/bin Laden wannabe, despite any philosophical/economic differences there might be. Ayres should be still serving a prison term, at the very least, for his attacks on this nation and her people.
I wish this asshole cocksucker would go back to his hidey-holed in Chicago. He’s only cashing in on his notoriety while bemoaning the fact he’s been “mistreated” in the press. Bullshit!
He didn’t serve a day prison because of Daddy’s money and the ability to hire lawyers. Otherwise, his ass would probably still be rotting in jail.
From Ayers book… Prairie Fire
Our job is to tap the discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry, to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism.
We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society.
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
Ah yes…..pedantic.
God speaks! LOL*
Lordy, I can’t stand that type. Wonder how his wife puts up with him?
Troll — his wife is WORSE — than he is.
Get a clue!
You know, you’re just a controlling poster. You want this blog to only have posts that validate your opinions.
Control-freak.
Which is why you call everyone a troll.
I wonder what YOUR wife thinks of living with you, too. *haha
Ann … girl … you used to be interesting, but you have become judgmental, preachy, nasty and you start to resemble the ovomit comet. jowo. Where ever you have been … are they missing you maybe?
This is O?T but I can’t help it.
This is so hilarious to me:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/transition.wrap/index.html
The most corrupt person in Washington yet and he and McCain are going fix it all up? OMG. Can the civil war start now so I can just be shot in the head already? Using my brain this year has been nothing, but painful.
I think they really will meet on common ground on one issue: earmarks. Obama knows, for one, how much influence he garnered that way and that he also got his own wife a cushy job, and that’s not right, with earmarks.
He’s now in a different spot. First, why let those congressmen gather that kind of power anymore. *haha Send HIM the check, boys and girls. Second, why would he waste a single cent of taxpayer money on that nonsense? He’s got an expensive agenda and a broke country. Third, why NOT go with John’s agenda there. It was John’s strongest and most authentic message, even if it fell short of people’s ideas of an economic plan.
Win-Win.
On other issues? They’ll be opposite.
A person close to me bought a fixer upper this week. Mostly all of the repairs were done by his mom and dad. And that house hardly needed any repairs. In all those years he has not been able to throw away a 3 x 4 mirror left over and it is still laying against a wall in the back porch. Now the new house needs repairs everywhere, inside and out and in every room. He said he will be working every weekend to make it spic and span.
McCain and Obama said they will work together to fix the country.
Lets compare those two cases. I give them both equal chances of becoming true.
On the other hand, those forests that burned down in California this week will repair themselves in about five to ten years and no one will lift a finger to do so.
Nature works slowly but steady, men dreams are mostly dead on arrival.
Sorry for the error. I missed a sentence between the first and second sentence. That sentence that is missing reads, “Four years ago he bought his first one.”
Oh goodness…..funny post.
I personally think slow is good, even if I’m impatient. Slow is better. Fast changes?
Never stay fixed.
Balance is important.
Amazing, isn’t it?, the incestuous media sucking up to their own created celebrities. But, I really wish the birthplace issue would gather heat. The official Obama website stated that his ‘certificate of birth’ was a ‘birth certificate’ and it proved his supposed birth in Hawaii. It does nothing of the sort. The fraud is out there for all to see. Now that the election is over the issue gains steam because Obama and his apologists can’t claim its just election hay. Change is coming to Washington, but its a Biden administration that’s coming! Obama can run for president of Kenya. For those who still doubt this, google ‘Obama birth cetificate’ and look at the analyses and lawsuit updates.
Hopefully, Bobo was just using these terrorists to keep afloat in the Chicago swamp and they will stay under the air-taxi with all the racists and crooks he’s discarded. I doubt they would have raised their dizzy heads if not for agreements with publishers to sell their smarmy memoir.
I hope Bobo chooses a cabinet made up of moderates. It would, of course, be better for the country, and it will leave his lefty minions sputtering! I’ll even break my pledge and watch Ogreman again if it means I’ll get to listen to a meltdown rant about Hillary and/or McCain!
I stopped listening to NPR when they went down the tubes with most of the MSM. I find this despicable. this reminds me of Richard Nixon - at the end he was the toast of the social - lite town - The slime ball. Ayers, is beyond that - he’s a stinking murderous liar. Any news organization promoting him is added to my don’t go near list. We really should organize an outrage outreach and let these news organizations know they have gone too far.
I always though that some Americans lost their mind, but not all of them. We should ask for outside help,because inside, everybody is just nuts. November 4th. was Obamas day, today, is Ayers day. Whose day would be tomorrow? Wright, Rezko, Auchi? I never believed, that a terrorist can became ” American Hero”. America is losing everything our parents fought for and we can’t do anything. Sad days are ahead of us.Ask Obama suporters to bring the flag with the hammer and sickle. This could be our future from no one.
Well, at least some of us are still thinking!! New from Grail Guardian…about real PUMAs, the ones that are still left…
Attention NeoProgs: You DID NOT Defeat the PUMAs!
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/attention-neoprogs-you-did-not-defeat-the-pumas/
There’s a lot of sensitivity around this topic.
However, the statistics tell the story. Obama did win over the women, even in states where Hillary definitely took him and shook him down.
On a more personal note, PUMA just had to send out notices that someone ran off with the merchandise that people ordered.
I’m still wondering how the story that PUMA had paid down her debt was so wrong. I never heard how that happened.
I, for one, cannot figure PUMA out.
I voted for McCain/Palin on the basis of policy issues. Feel good about it, too.
I am mulling over the long-term effects of this election on women in America.
BUT….I’m not sure that PUMA is offering much.
I’m sure willing to listen and see.
Lorelai - who can explain the “Obummer is a hottie” thing. I remember when Kissinger was dating the likes of a young Jill St. John. Must be the aphrodisiac of power.
Bingo — Kissinger made that observation about himself.
at least kissinger with all his faults had the smarts to know the difference. others i am not so sure!
Ayers reminds me of a typical abuser who blames his victim for “making him angry.” Ayers claims his actions were in response to the killing of innocents in Viet Nam…which evidently, made him angry. Thus, he bombed the Pentagon and committed other violent acts - BUT IT’S NOT HIS FAULT–IT’S AMERICA’S. We made him do it. Ayers, like any typical abuser, plays victim, denies any responsibility for his own actions. He’s whitewashing his own crimes and the press is complicit.
Go figure, you hate violence so you perpetrate violence. It’s like Sean Penn decrying the invasion of Iraq (?) yet he would physically swing toward those that took his pictures and smacked Madonna around ’cause he didn’t like her attire (?)
Oh my, the New Age Men of Peace.
Doctor, my eyes have seen the years
Through the slow parade of tears without crying
Now I want to understand
I have done all that I could
To see the evil and the good without hiding
You must help me if you can
Ask Darrell Hannah ….
Occasionally, when the topic turns to Bill Ayers, I bring up the following link, which points to a harrowing story by a young girl who was sexually abused by Ayers back in his Weather Underground days. Is it true? It sure has the ring of truth to me. You decide:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9e8cd8a7-e90b-4311-8aa9-aefd014a14b2
I read the article and did a google search on Donna Ron - the women who wrote the article and ‘victim’ of Bill Ayers.
What I find AMAZING is this same woman wrote on Obama’s website blog the importance of supporting Obama and Biden. What is up with this woman??
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/donnajoy/gGgz5F
Boxer Mum, this topic is developing in 2 different sections of this thread. In the previous section, I respond to this comment and add some more info.
First problem I see here, is that many of you were not around when a group of radicals held our country hostage. You were not living through the Chicago trial against activists who treatened our country.
We’ve become so passive to hold people responsible for their actions. You have experienced 9/11. Remember that fear? This is what it was like in the 60s and 70s with the Weathermen Underground. Ayers and Dohrn were the leaders. He says they didn’t KILL anyone, except 3 of his clan died making a bomb intented for a military base USO.
They “tried” to kill families of prosecuters, but failed. So let’s not let him get away with “not killing anyone.” The groups agenda was very clear.
American people have a way of forgetting. Already wounds have been healed from 9/11. But I remember. I remember when everyone wanted a pound of flesh from the terrible crime against the deaths of 3,000 innocent American people. People wondered why Bush was taking so long to react. When the war on terrorist began everyone was for it. Bush said it would be a long war, but the majority said gung ho! Notice, we’ve been kept pretty damn safe with the strategies Bush has enforced. And, don’t give me any BS about Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction! Until Osama Bin Ladin can tap me on the shoulder and say “here I am”, I’ll not believe that Saddam didn’t have more than just firecrakers!
Ayers and his wife would still be sitting in prison had the FBI acquired evidence legally. NO, this man and his gang were home grown terrorists that planned on leaving a path of destruction. None of us should condone or give compliance to their crimes.
Kbentleyis -I agree with your comments. I remember the Weather Underground. Just because their bombs didn’t kill their targets doesn’t make Ayers & Dohrn any less guilty of terrorism. Their smug, self-righteous attitudes today reveal who they still are - America-haters. I watched Ayers on “Good Morning America” and wanted to puke as he rationalized his actions by blaming the country. My uncle was a Marine in Viet Nam during the time that Ayers was building bombs. My uncle went to Viet Nam at 18 and returned with a Purple Heart and a badly injured body. He loved America back then and he loves her today. Ayers & wife seem incapable of understanding that kind of love for country and willingness to serve. Protesting the war is one thing; building bombs to destroy government buildings and conceivably kill other Americans is despicable.
Well, I sure as heck remember it. This is truly galling. (and you left out the Black Panthers)
I applied (and was accepted) to the CIA of all freakin’ places back in 1968. (Hi, Larry!) I remember a 27-legal-size-page application form where a full 1-1/2 pages listed subversive “groups” and asked the question, “Are you or have you ever been or do you know anyone. . .?”
As a little country bumpkin, I’d never even heard of half of the groups but I definitely do remember KKK, American Communist Party, SDS, Weather Underground. . . being at the top of the list. We’re talking Public Enemy Number One! We’re talking the 1968 version of Osama bin Laden. . .
Oh wow….I’d never have passed the background check. *haha
Go figure.
LOL*…..very true.
I probably had a file back in those days, even though I was honestly clueless.
I was just a young girl, against the war, whom the radicals let hang out.
Probably the “cute” factor.
Let me assure you, I went onto become a VP in the financial industry.
I wore bow-ties without complaint.
I’m about as radical as your spider plant.
My, my, Ann. I’ve been biting my tongue all day wanting to say something about these groups being populated by kids who wanted drugs and sex.
I was late 60’s….early 70’s. And there were, indeed, a lot of drugs and sex.
You’re not off-target.
But politically astute? Lordy, no.
At least, not me.
Just a garden-variety 70’s girl here.
I’m sure my “file” got closed due to boredom.
I ended up being so “normal” it is embarassing.
Just a plain-ole-vanilla gal here. Worked in corporate America. Never broke any huge glass ceiling, though I have my own resume of kudos.
Raise a kid, stayed married for 18 years.
And I was as disappointed am most everyone over the sexism this year.
Hurt my feelings, personally.
But….I’m over it.
Screw em’.
“I was late 60’s….early 70’s. And there were, indeed, a lot of drugs and sex.”
Guess now we know why they call drugs “dope”
coffee spit on monitor
spit away
I wish I were so intersting as to have a file with the CIA today.
I was clueless then. I never developed into a good little radical.
And I think some of the anti-Obama posters are probably far, far more radical and dangerous than I ever thought about being.
Some of you guys?
Scary.
Thank God, for PUMA. Please don’t give-up on us. More or less, we had FOX , Hannity, but no more. They start to drink the Obama Kool-aid. They give on, on the gossip of Sara Palin wardrobe,but not a word, about all the Lawsuits Obama has. PUMA, you Noquarter and TD, we can trust and believe.
If PUMA is the bc story, then it’s just a fringe element.
The Tr0ll is revealed.
PUMA is here to stay.
insightanalytical’s Gail Guardian does a great job of outing this trOll.
It is the tr0lls who are claiming that Puma is a failure — do NOT believe their propaganda.
insightanalytical blog is a must read.
And if PUMAs want to bash Tr0lls — go the the Confluence. Another great thread.
Point is — PUMA is here to stay.
Sorry Tr0lls — we will continue to be a thorn in your messiah’s side — and we can see that he is naked — we see him for what he is.
O is a pal of terrorists — one even helped him write his novels.
Control….bad defect of character.
“My way or the highway thinking.”
Very dysfunctional, btw.
Drives off family, friends, and grandchildren.
LOL*
But……
Cuddle up to that feeling of “I’m right!”
Annin, thank you for your valuable service to this blog… Can you analyze me next?
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a two-bit psychoanalysis today…
MEDIA BOYCOTT — I TOO AM CALLING FOR A BOYCOTT OF A CORRUPT MEDIA. BIAS IS ONE THING — ABSOLUTE CORRUPTION AND DISHONESTY IS QUITE ANOTHER. PLEASE JOIN US IN CANCELING SUBSCRIPTIONS TO THE FOLLOWING PAPERS:
NY TIMES
WASHINGTON POST
LOS ANGELES TIMES
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICAL
BOSTON GLOBE
ALSO, PLEASE TUNE OUT OF:
NBC - NEWS AND PROGRAMS BUT ESPECIALLY NEWS - MSNBC (THAT’S TOO SILLY TO WATCH ANYWAY)
ABC - NEWS AND PROGRAMS
CBS - NEWS AND PROGRAMS
CNN (EXCEPT FOR LOU DOBBS)
FOX - Take your pick — I no longer watch Bill O’Reilly — not because I believe he share’s Obama’s world view, but because he pandered to Obama and showed no courage at all. He also allowed Carl Cameron to smear Palin yesterdaay — and commended him. Fox has gone from FAIR AND BALANCED, TO DULL AND BORING — EXCEPT FOR ON THE RECORD, WITH GRETA AND SEAN HANNITY’S APPEARANCES.
I don’t believe in boycotts.
I just seek out fair and balanced news, which means I haven’t watch MSN crud in 3 years or longer, frankly.
If it were not for U-TUBE, I’d never have seen ANY Chris Matthews words.
I don’t watch crapola TV.
I’m not going to watch Fox, either. It’s trash TV, also.
Even the interviews with PUMA, which I saw on U-tubes, humiliated them over and over.
I was interested enough to push the utube button, but I think now…..no thanks.
I’ll pass up those stories.
I personally couldn’t care less what those nitwit talking heads think. They are not credible.
That doesn’t require a boycott to figure out.
Do you ever get tired of your sanctimony?
Do you not make yourself want to throw up every once in a while? The reason I ask is that you are having that effect on me so regularly today that I just wanted to make sure its you and not the flu.
I’m with you, beebop.
Ted Kaczysinski the Unabomber is in jail for life but Ayers is giving lectures and interviews at Georgetown Law and NPR and morning shows. You know what? There must be a judgement day after we die because there sure isn’t any equal justice for all on this planet.
Heck, Kathy Boudin did time while Ayers and Dohrn walked. Go figure.
Her daddy didn’t have the millions to buy a good lawyer.
Terry Gross: “So, Bill…may I call you Bill? Are you planning to bl*w up our studio here today? Is that a moral choice? Or something you feel compelled to do? How does this make you feel? Would you like to read from your book? Would you like a glass of water…I swear, it’s not poisoned? Has Barack called you to thank you for giving him his start in Chicago politics?”
I red that Ayers’s father was keeper of lots dirt politicians secrets and had incredible power. Maybe after his death in last year Ayes has all this secrets in his hands? It is reason he feels himself invulnerable.
feeling invulnerable? naw i don’t think he’ll try bombing anything. i think the bomb will be most americans’ reaction to him. you know che was a revoluationary and the son of wealthy parents. the difference is he actually lived like one. he lived a simple life in cuba and made his wife ride the bus. whereas ayers? a revoluationary wanting adulation and importance? that just makes him another punk who didn’t live up to his ideals. laugh at him! it’s what he deserves.
Compare Ayers to Castro. Wealthy parents, sugar plantation owners who sent their son to law school so that he could defend their rights in legal labor matters. Once in power, his parents’ lands were among the first that he had confiscated.
Announcer: “Now back to Fresh Air, with Terri Gross”.
Terri Gross: “The interlude music, you might recognize, was by the Talking Heads, ‘Burning Down the House’. My, I feel especially intellectually today, being in the presence of such a smart, and dangerous, man.”
oh geez, a smart and dangerous man? i have to run to vomit. excuse me!
Is this REAL dialogue from the program???
Oh how frecking cute —
As Anon’s niece observed — Ayers looks like a bedwetter!!
Thanks NQ for having a memory like an elephant. There’s a big push now for “unity” blah blah blah demanding we forgive and forget. Shove that unity bandwagon. I hope NQ and others continue to remind people about Ayers the terrorist and the upcoming CIC (Criminal-In-Chafe) [sic] who not only got what he wished for, will dread the day he ever did as he is ill equipped to handle the day to day stress and will turn into a drugged out zombie like Bush has become. The demons will come for both men.
I have to admit…..I’m in agreement with Rush L. (Good golly, this year has made odd bed-fellows!)
His monologue today was that nobody is interested in anti-Obama rhetoric right now.
It’s time to focus on .strictly issues. Disagree with a choice, a decision, a comment…..go for it.
Blast him? Be ignored.
The country is excited about this change. That can’t be all bad. Good golly, we have a ton of bad news, so it’s understandable.
I agree with Rush entirely.
Obama-derangement-syndrome people will be viewed with disdain.
Focus on his decisions.
The latest? Sorry, but I think it’s brilliant. Hillary is THE best SoS candidate. Simply brilliant.
He’ll have to put a bunch of those smart decisions together to convince me, of course. I’m a hard nut to crack.
But I’m darn sure going to give him credit on THIS one.
Why would you give Obama credit for offering appointments to the only people who have legitimacy in critiquing him?
The Hillary appt is a ruse. If it happens, it is to keep her and her hubbie on a real short leash. His vetting will have given any HIllary foes a lot of valuable info to keep her from being an effective critic. Ditto for McCain.
I have hopefully great news for those of us who wish HRC to stay far far away from that parasitical organism BHO:
Hillary might reject State offer
The best thing about Ayers talking is Ayers. He’s publicly admitted that he is a “family friend” of Obama. Hopefully, because of his arrogance he will spill more.
I hope that Terri Gross at least asks some tough questions of him. She is a good interviewer.
But, I do agree that the MSM is trying to legitimize radicals like Ayers and Dohrn, who is a close friend of Michelle Obama.
I agree. Her questions are always good. She’s a fun interviewer.
FYI,Dohrn was the terrorist who approvingly commented on the Manson family killings:”Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they
put a fork in their bellies. Wild!”
Kbentleyis–and others. I too remember the Weathermen and the fear that they inspired, along with the Black Panthers, as I was living in the Bay Area at the time.
It’s appalling that Ayers’ drivel is not only on the MSM but also NPR, which certainl sets no standards any more.
I do believe a media boycott is helpful. Their market shares are sinking. The NYT is in trouble, and I read that 9% have cancelled subscriptions. Other papers are in trouble. Write sponsors of programs.
Cancelled subscriptions are the least of their worries…they can’t get advertisers!
You know what’s REALLY pathetic…NYT’s classified ads dropped by 25%, don’t know if it was for the year of the quarter, but still, that’s huge.
Hello…Craigslist!
Exactly. The news business is just the front-end of the recession.
No retail? No advertising.
No newspaper money.
I don’t know that the NYT’s lack of retail advertising is necessarily a result of recession.
I charted NYT in comparison to the DOW, Gannett and WaPo. NYT and GCI are dismal, showing a bigger percentage loss than the DOW. WaPo surprisingly is relatively strong.
IMO GCI and NYT are junk stocks ’cause the reporting generally sucks.
I too was in the SF bay area when the Black Panthers emerged. In fact I was at ground zero when they gave their first news conference on the steps of a community college in Oakland. I just happened to be there, trying to leave the building. I had never seen a live news conference before and I had no idea who these Black Panthers were. Those of us living in the Bay area quickly learned that the BP were not a benign community group — these were racists. They taught children how to hate.
It was obvious that the BP group was not associated with MLK. Black Liberation Theology is a descendant of the Black Panther and the Black power movement.
The Weathermen DID terrorize us. I did not realize how much until Ayers resurfaced with his smug face stomping the US flag. Growing up on military bases I watched every day when evening taps were played, everything stops and EVERYONE stands at attention as the flags are lowered.
What he and his WIFE did cannot be dismissed, or ignored.
I don’t believe that Narcissists can be rehabilitated.
Well, I grew up in the deep South, and I know how good people are cruel to others.
I saw it.
I abhored it.
And I will never, ever support it.
You can take your flight into therapy talk.
But all leaders will not pass your “narassist” test.
It’s psychobabble.
What is relevant, as those of you are protesting against Ayers is what was happening in my own “neck of the woods.”
And it was darn close to lynching, folks.
You are truly, truly amazingly ignorant of what really happened in life during this stage of our history.
I’m amazed.
You’re amazingly cloistered.
Good for you, I guess, or maybe not.
But I can tell you. What happened in “my neck of the woods” was hideously more devastating in terms of equality than Ayers ever thought about being.
So, label away with your phony therapy terms.
But I am old enough to remember, literally, hangings on trees.
I will never, ever get the SF perspective, I guess.
Ann stuff a sock in it.
PUMA is here to stay.
Whatever she’s smoking seems to have been soaked in koolaid and then dried out.
My God you are judgmental. And on a really high horse.
I rarely see posters who have such high regard of their perfectness.
I wish I could beat Ayers with a stick if it wasn’t so illegal.
Bad, I know, but not any worse than setting off bombs outside of federal buildings and killing people.
lynchings were bad because a part of society supported it systematically, and women and children were also lynched and terrorized. So how is this different than the WU? Or any other terrorist org?
Ann still hasn’t answered any of these questions. I really find it amusing that you continue to defend Ayers.
My own family was subject to KKK intimidation and thuggery in 1969 because we were Catholic.
William Ayers and the actions of a few had far reaching repercussions for an entire generation. Those Left wing insects gave us all a bad name. As a result, the “establishment” as it were, tended to paint us with the same brush. Ayers threatened the system; the system came down hard. Bill Ayers did far more damage to his own generation than might readily be expected. Good job Einstein. I heard the Terry Gross interview with Ayers on NPR, where the “distinguished professor” is pushing his lousy book. Bill Ayers is nothing more than a capitalist inspired lackey, a traitor to us all, still exploiting the system for his own aggrandizement. Then came Hillary: http://theseedsof9-11.com
this has probably been said ad nauseum but he is a terrorist and does not deserve to be heard on air. i used to be a huge npr fan, but even they have let me down by buying into bo’s false narrative leading up to nov. 4 and certainly after. this interview is part of what i am talking about. npr should be commended on telling both sides of a story but sometimes there are not 2 sides that deserve time; he is on the wrong side here, both legally and morally and tries to play the victim. i believe npr is complicit in allowing him to appear a victim.
Did you even bother to listen to the interview? Or are you going to allow campaign rhetoric influence your opinion completely?
I’m scared too. Of close-minded people like you.
Do you listen to the evangelicals on Sunday? Somehow I don’t think so. Don’t come here and preach open minded and not practice it there bubby.
thanks for the help!:) i’m blown away, who would defend such a piece of shit like ayers? I guess this guy!
There is a remarkable combination of willful “tomorrow is another day, fiddle dee dee, I don’t know nothing ’bout birthing no babies” naivte about apoligists for someone who took the peace movement to the level of blowing up buildings … and that is exactly what Ayers is counting on. Willful ignorance is stupidity. No excuses.
i totally agree but when the media or society lets one get away with this then what do we have? an illusion of a free society, we do not believe in justice for everyone, if we did, that piece of shit ayers would have paid a price in jail.
wtf are you talking about? campaign rhetoric? you mean the truth about bill ayers and the truth about obama, both of which are not told on a daily basis?
Did you even bother to listen to the interview? Or are you going to allow campaign rhetoric to influence your opinion completely?
I’m scared too. Of close-minded people like you.
What do I think of this “rehab” of Ayers.
I am physically nauseous. I want to puke.
what screw loose is a this crap?
it’s remarkable what a new hair cut and some make up can do for the despicable.
HE IS A TERRORIST — HE WILL ALWAYS BE A TERRORIST.I am afraid that he will have a place in the white house.And maybe the reat who has agenda for america..
Bill Ayers is a terrorist, and Obama should be in jail. I hate these people.
Ayers sort of hangs himself in the interview, Gross catches him in a few lies. Gross asks him to give an apology and he won’t do it.
Only the naive, or the ignorant, or geriatric hippies or affluent hypocrites like him will find anything Ayers says or writes compelling. He’s mired in an unwise and unworkable philosophy and clings to a romantic view of his past. It’s frightening that he’s considered a distinguished “educator” by some. But statistics prove that as young people get older, build careers, marry, have children, buy homes, etc., they often shake off much of any brainwashing they may have received from “educators” like Ayers. It takes time to grow up and learn from experience. Maturity and wisdom thwart exploitation.
Maybe we should be glad he’s getting exposure — maybe he’ll be given enough rope to hang himself. The more we know about the fatuous scum the more disgusting he seems. I’ve been wondering, since his name first came up in the campaign, if any parents of his students have become alarmed. It would be interesting to find out.
If he’s ever Obama’s guest in the WH, I hope there’s widespread outrage. There won’t be if people don’t really know who he is.
The American people are thrilled to have their first African-American president!
Speaking of Barack Obama—Barack Obama is a racial-minority individual and does not like racism:
And Michelle Obama is a racial-minority individual and does not like racism:
SCANDALS! SCANDALS! SCANDALS!
SOME OF THE WORST CASES OF RACIAL PREJUDICE IN WORLD HISTORY!
WORLDWIDE DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION RELATING TO SCANDALS:
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(II) It is opined that Bill Clinton committed terrifying, racist, hate crimes during his presidency, and I am not free to say anything further about it. ‘Be sure your sins will find you out’ (Numbers 32:23).
(III) What if basically all racial-minority people would subscribe to the interpretations that George Herbert Walker Bush committed monstrous, racist, hate crimes while he was the President of the United States? It will eventually come out: it is only a matter of time.
(IV) I know it may be hard to believe. However, Ronald Wilson Reagan committed horrible, racist, hate crimes during his presidency.
- A.Y.W.
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‘If only there could be a Ban against invention that bottled up memory like scent & it never faded & it never got stale.’ Off the top of my head, it came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.
Bill Ayers was transparently an F.B.I. agent provocateur and the Weather Underground were plainly a cutout organization like the “Symbionese Liberation Army”. Their mission: Act a fool and give the conservatives plenty of tar with which to brush the entire Left especially its more progressive, anti-war wing. Guess what? It worked brilliantly. Everything they did was designed to set back the genuine Left and anti-war movement from the harmless bombings of inanimate objects that still can be considered “terrorism” to the “fork salute” praising the Manson family. Put it together America.
And anyone paying attention to the last two years should be able to easily see what Obama is: a friendly face on more of the same because that’s the best the American voter is allowed to vote for.