Stop Carping About Obama Relying on Folks from the Clinton Administration
By Larry Johnson on November 19, 2008 at 6:20 PM in Current Affairs
While I had my own issues about some aspects of the Clinton Administration, there is no question the United States was better off at the end of his term than at the start. You cannot say the same for George W. Bush. So why in the hell are some commentators and pundits bitching about Barack Obama turning to folks who served on the Clinton team for help in setting up his Administration? The people complaining about this display a level of stupidity that even Borat would ridicule.
Barack had two other choices–1) ignore anyone with prior White House experience, or 2) select folks who worked in the Carter Admnistration. While I have had serious questions about Barack’s judgment in hanging with the likes of Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Tony Rezko, the President-elect is not a moron. He wisely recognizes the need to have experienced folks around him. Otherwise, he runs the risk of repeating some of the mistakes of the first Clinton term. Learning on the run is not a preferred option.
What about the Carter folk? Do you realize that someone who was 40 years old when Carter left office is now 68? Bottomline is that most of the folks who served as assistant secretaries or deputy assistant secretaries are approaching or have surpassed the age of retirement. Zibigniew Brezinski is no spring chicken and will not (nor should he) play an active role in the Obama Administration.
I will concede that prior experience is not all that it is cracked up to be. Look at the debacle of George W. Bush–he had Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, and Colin Powell. We know how that turned out. My early read of Barack’s choice of John Podesta is that it shows the man from Illinois is serious about wanting to have a successful Presidency. And the nice thing about Podesta (and Rahm Emanuel), they will keep the Rezkos, Wrights, and Farrakhans far away.
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Will they keep Congress from giving away what’s left of our assets?
What assets?
Wow, you still needs to be surprised by ignorance, Larry. I didn’t know that. But now I know.
What does that mean?
It means his arguments lack depth based on a historical experience and long tracks of observation. The flip coin says that these are arguments seeking proof or ‘proofability.” Things just don’t work that way.
Obama is Bush 3. Lacking experience he tends to surround himself with experienced people. Experienced people are usually too old for leadership, specially for a country like ours. Hillary for example is already kind of old for SoS. Old and kind of washout. We need younger people in leadership positions like SoS, specially for an incoming president of an opposition party. Condeleza did not failed because she was young or is always aloof and smiling. She failed because Bush projected his failures on her.
The difference between experience and learning on the run is that if those that are learning on the run are young, they put into it everything they have, while old washout leaders just do the minimum to get a minimum amount of results.
Yeah, I thought Sara Taylor, and the rest of Karl Rove’s bots were just terrific, just jamming.
Inexperienced, needy people in the White House, driven by specious ideology and a thirst for personal recognition tend to get eaten alive, why should we risk our defense?
This is the United States of America, not High School Musical Three, your perception of the power structure should not be analogous to that of the blogs, it’s different.
I guess you’re 12.
Because you can’t be older and not value experience, especially in the political arena and the affairs of state.
Although youth has energy, and enthusiasm, lack of experience poses serious problems.
When people hold the fate of millions of people in their hands, I don’t think it’s appropriate for someone who is still wet from the egg to be calling the shots. This is the reason so many families are in distress and their kids able to wreak havoc on the fabric of society. The Columbine killers come to mind.
A lot of what was wrong in this election and the driving force behind 0bama’s victory was the idea of this young man riding the crest of youthful support. People actually said things like “McCain needs to go in a corner and just die.”
When young people marginalize experience, they are dooming their own destiny. When young people feel they have nothing to learn, they usually wind up making life ending mistakes proving that they won’t learn anything.
If Hillary is too old to SoS, then so is Kerry at 64. Bill Richardson and Hillary are the same age.
So who, pray tell, younger is qualified to go around the world doing the bidding for a POTUS who is clueless about world affairs and who has zero diplomatic experience? Especially at this point and time when everyone is getting itchy trigger fingers?
I want to thank you for moving me from indifference on the Hillary issue of whether she should take the job.
She should.
WE NEED HER.
What works is an experienced president surrounded by young brainy and savvy spirits. The reverse does not. And we have tons of young brainy and savvy spirits. Even in this forum there are quite a few. Like you mimi for example. A very smart person and definitely full of energy.
I would rather see you as SoS than Hillary. That’s me.
You are so wrong and foolish it’s seriously funny.
You have no depth and that is why someone called you “12″. As mentioned the youth have energy and enthusiasm but that’s about it.
You seriously have no clue how important wisdom is in such an imporant role and wisdom only comes with age.
Wow, you actually hnk that BOBO is going to try bush and cheney for treason. LMAO …not a chance. BOBO voted for telecom immunity.
Obama might not, but Texas…well…
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Cheney_Indicted.html
yup, that’s going to make it about two steps before it dies.
Yes. Much like the many Obama citizenship lawsuits, this will fade quickly.
Well that’s the way you see it and I don’t. Wisdom for me does not come with age. With age comes complacency. True, to me, complacency comes sooner to people with less intelligence than to those with more intelligence. But old leaders simple become complacent.
But the final results would indicate your reasoning is flawed.
And when you’re speaking of something as vital to national security as Wall Street, and Washington, it’s not simply a matter of disagreement.
It becomes something more.
Ultimately it’s a subjective judgement.
What you would call young and brainy, I would call inept, narcissistic and unsophisticated.
It takes a lifetime of experience to handle Washington, well, it should anyway, why should they hand it to someone both unqualified, and untalented, based on some current business model zeitgeist, speciously reasoned?
That’s why they fail.
(The type of reasoning you proffered is indicative of Wall Street, I think, which explains a lot).
Imagine, staffing your cabinet and white house, or even your business, with untalented narcissistic kids, you’d compromise security, and/or your future, right there, wow.
Very few young people, very few people, are truly exceptional, btw, most of us are average.
Not everyone can command.
It would be tough to find a narcissist willing to work for a narcissist. What we have to worry about is the worshipers BOBO will hire to handle the grunt work. They can subvert anything that thinking men and women might do, and they will do it all in the name of the blessed BOBO.
It would be tough to find a narcissist willing to work for a narcissist
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Been to Hollywood?
(sorry)
Usually they self destruct, but they do engage.
And certainly, there are factors other than the narcissism at work, say an older narcissistic choosing a younger narcissist, in need of paternal approval, for a junior position.
…except that narcissism makes it all about you. When it’s all about you, it isn’t about anybody else.
Smartness is highly overrated. I’m sure your voted for Obama so what good was smartness. Have you yet sent him your contribution for the DNC? I hear he needs more money.
Smartness as measured by an SAT score, or a degree from an ivy league diploma mill?
True intellect is creative, hence, problem solving, a skill set constantly in flux (which creativity can master).
And it varies, for instance, not all musicians are created equal, and some people can’t tell the difference between Britney Spears, and Bob Dylan.
It’s as if they want some hard criteria by which to determine who is the smartest, so htey can box it, when they can’t even define intellect, yet.
I have to agree with you. I’m kinda tired of the old political establishment- Dem/Rep. An inexperienced person is more susceptible to being lead around by the collar. It’s the same old people doing the same old things.
And Obama, for all his change talk, proved that’s he’s EXACTLY like them. And I can’t wait till 2012.
WE do not need ageism
Hillary Clinton is NOT old.
It takes years to gain the EXPERIENCE she had. No younger person has the depth of knowledge she has.
Dumb shit 0-zero is lacking experience — he has zero, none, dada executive experience. Therefor he will be a dud because he has NOTHING upon which to base his experience.
On the other had — Hillary will only be used by an inexperienced, inadequate male who got elected because he has a penis — which a lot of fools THINK means he has “experience”.
Yeah, experience sticking it to others! (Okay, I just couldn’t resist that one!)
Obama’s “experience,” I meant (not Clinton’s).
wow, just-wow
Oh by the way (not)wise young person, it is “especially”, not “specially”
An old washed out person like Senator Hillary Clinton would know that, along with the depth, wisdom, common sense, and foresight that is needed for an SOS, not the youthful ignorance of someone with no wisdom and depth to see the big picture.
Look I am especially proud of my misspelling specialty.
Hillary will do good as SoS. Fine. There. I have nothing against her becoming an SoS. Who cares?
I just think that a younger person would do better for you, me and the rest of the younger people of our country. That’s just a thought.
Hillary will do what Hillary will do.
I rather have someone I don’t know yet, younger, doing things I don’t know what she/he will do that will turn out better than what Hillary will do because he will do things different. Without so much experience.
Without so much experience.
What’s important is honesty and truthfulness. Hillary has that. So she’s good.
An exceptional young person, there are very few Bill Clintons or JFK’s out there, and no one under 35 should ever be President.
Hell, I’d make it 40, at the very least.
Well, the Constitution actually makes 35 the minimum age for a person to become President so we don’t have to worry about anyone under that age becoming President*. (According to the Constitution, you can’t even run for President–or Vice-President, for that matter–unless you will be 35 years old on Inauguration Day.)
*Barring a Constitutional amendment changing that.
Younger people? Surely you jest. This is so ageist, it’s not even funny. SoS is a position that requires great foreign policy chops, diplomatic skills and knowing who all the players are (and she has the experience under her belt to better know what they will do — some young whippersnapper would not know this stuff yet). She has so much wisdom and experience and RESPECT in this area — she especially commands great respect around the world — that is what is required in a Secy of State.
Youthful exuberance is great — but not in this position.
By the way, were you watching Hillary campaign? She’s got so much youthful exuberance, she tired Obama out — he was lost at sea and he is 14 years her junior. Please.
Furthermore, can you imagine women around the world having a better advocate than Hillary Clinton — it is a proven fact when women in societies are better educated and havea chance to thrive, the society thrives.
Thus proving that spending almost $1 Billion on a message of bringing Change and Hope to Washington is a load of crap pushed by a pathological lying snake oil saleman who managed to transform the political landscape to one of street tactics and using the worst of tactics, being the race and sexist cards to gain power, for a most unqualified black man to be POTUS!
Agreed!!
He just moved the Chicago Combine into the White House. Sorry, that’s not such a great thing. Even my libby film industry friends are a little WTF? Especially about Emanuel. But as mel stated, Obama spent a BILLION DOLLARS to do nothing other than hire the Clintonistas. Kind of sad actually because it’s not even going to be six months before all of the glassy-eyed kool-aid drunks figure they’ve been “had” as far as this being some big revolution in America. It’s just the same old dirty Chicago machine. Yawn.
Who else can be hired — it is either people for top positions who have had some experience in the Federal Gov. maze OR it is hire the religious ding a lings from Liberty College who had youth but no real “experience”.
There aren’t a lot of options.
Of course 0-zero can just pack up the whole Chicago Political machine and plop them down in DC. (Oh damn — that might be his plan all along.)
THANK YOU LARRY — Good article!
Bill Clinton had a history of hiring well qualified people — since the 0-zero camp has no idea how to do this (they do know how to find the creeps and crooks and con artists) — but let’s hope that the Clinton retainers — retained some competence.
Any of the lower level Feds that Clinton was responsible for bringing to DC have GOT to be far superior to the GWB/Cheney staffers.
Plus Bill Clinton was a GOVERNOR first — and he had executive experience and knew a bit about governing (as opposed to ruling!!)
0-zero doesn’t have a clue —
Keystone Kops are invading!!
“Learning on the run is not a preferred option.. .” Yeah right! Especially when the future president himself is guilty as charged.
guilty of what exactly? the irrational hate of barack obama here is just insane.
why is that more people don’t care about the real issues and whether or not the next President gets results or not? Isn’t that what matters to our lives? not all of this petty nonsense?
Yes, experienced folks from the very adminstration he demeaned and diminished during the campaign. I am glad to see he is making centrist choices, but he’s no Clinton (President or Senator). I wonder where’s the vision that is going to guide this administration. I wonder who will be governing? The Clintons may be able to forgive and get passed the racebaiting and mysogyny. I cannot. That speaks volumns to me about character. I don’t trust Obama nor the rest of the party leadership. He will be the president and I respect the office, but right now the man has a long way to go in that regard.
Yes, experienced folks from the very adminstration he demeaned and diminished during the campaign.
Yup. It’s the hypocrisy! obarry was gonna get rid of old washington. obama was a virgin pol from Chicago that hadn’t been corrupted by the evil ways of washington. Yeah a virgin pol from Chicago. To laugh. Out with the old in with the new! Change you can hope in!
It’s the hypocrisy! The stunning, breathtaking, bold faced hypocrisy. Not barry’s. He is just a virgin Chicago pol. But the “liberal media” shoveled that ‘change!’ horseshit like they believed it. And maybe they did.
Tweedy Bird (Mathews) on MSMBC actually believed Obama meant what he said about “change” in terms of the Clintons. This is why Tweedy is having such a hard time with this SOS issue. Imagine, if HRC is SOS, then he might have to agree with her since she would be the international spokesperson for the Obama administration.
Will the real Tweety Bird please stand up.
Look at his expression away from the cameras. This is the real deal.
Wow! That is some scowl! (Thanks for the link.)
I completely agree about the hypocrisy, I think many of us do and shake our heads and laugh.
But I have to admit, with all my disdain for how Obama became savior-in-waiting, I have to admit I feel more comfortable knowing, seeing that some of the people coming on board are people I liked and respected from the Clinton era. It does give me some piece of mind to know they are walking back in instead of god-knows-who Obama might have pulled out of his hip pocket (ex: Jesse Jackson Jr.)
I feel a lot of comfort re-hearing some of these old names popping up again to take over and try to help the mess this country is in.
So hypocrisy be darned. No matter what he did he would have been criticized by someone for something and this path is absolutely 100% hypocrisy, and I welcome these people back into the fold to oversee a future path for this country.
You should admit that you were wrong about Obama. He was never going to be pulling people like Jesse Jackson Jr. out. That’s not who he is. At all.
LOL!! Really!!
A new, fresh non-corrupt politician…….from CHICAGO????
Kool-Aid kids are the DUMBEST EVER!!!
I’m afraid it’s Axelrod. Who displayed a contempt for anything other than power. So. While barky isolates himself in the bowels of the White House and plays round ball with members of the NBA, brushes up on his prose for the post post post 0bama memoirs, we will be run by the only person worse than Cheney. Kinda frightening.
Soros?
I wonder who will be governing and who will have Obama’s “ear.” Hopefully the Clinton people will be more than just window dressing. We know he’s bringing in Axelrod to fill the old Karl Rove position, and also Valerie Jarrett.
I can foresee a lot of competition and internal strife between the former Clinton folks, and Obama’s Chicago inner circle.
Old Rahmbo was a great source of leaks during the Clinton years, so I’m sure things in that White House will be interesting to follow.
So why in the hell are some commentators and pundits bitching about Barack Obama turning to folks who served on the Clinton team for help in setting up his Administration?
The “liberal media” hates the Clintons. obama was gonna be the end of all things Hil and Bill. The pundits don’t give a damn about the US or us. But they do hate the Clintons.
Our buddy chris matthews:
An avowed Clinton lover who was sitting next to Matthews reports: “He was in business class wearing a red baseball hat that said Penn on the back, and the fat [bleep] fell asleep on the train and snored with his mouth open.”
During the ride to DC, Matthews awoke from his nap. A fellow passenger asked him, “What’s the news tomorrow?” - to which Matthews loudly started talking about President-elect Barack Obama possibly picking Hillary as his secretary of state.
“I don’t understand it,” Matthews bellowed. “Why would he pick her? I thought we were done with the Clintons. She’ll just use it to build her power base. It’s Machiavellian. And then we’ll have Bill Clinton, too. I thought Obama didn’t want drama. He’s already got [chief of staff Rahm] Emanuel and [transition team leader John] Podesta. He’ll have even more drama with her.
“She’s just a soap opera. If he doesn’t pick her, everyone will say she’s been dissed again, we’ll have to live through that again.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11182008/gossip/
pagesix/hardball_guy_derails_hillary_139198.htm
The media really is that dumb.
And commenters are commenters. Who knows why we do what we do…
Mathews makes O’Reilly look like Cronkite.
Ha!
For years I thought matthews was just pretending to be a giant jackass but the last 18 months convinced me he really as dumb as he sounds.
Uh, Larry, I hate to say this but when you invite some of the most uninformed and knee-jerk people on the entire internet to give their cro-magnon opinions on your site, don’t be surprised when they sound uninformed and knee-jerk.
I agree. There is nothing dumber than an oborg.
Interesting to combine knee-jerk and cro-magnon. Opposite spectrum.
That is, a mixed metaphor (knee jerk/cro-magnon).
We need experienced people in the WH, especially when the POTUS himself is a rookie.
Makes sense doesn’t it. But it is exactly the recipe for disaster. Bush only started two wars with that recipe and accomplished virtually nothing.
There’s a couple of big differences from the Bush situation:
1. Bush is a moron, Obama is not.
2. Bush surrounded himself from Republican crooks. Obama is surrounding himself with Democrats.
Hey, he’s the one that ran on the ‘Change’ platform not to mention the great 2002 speech against the war heard around the world in 2006(but hardly anywhere else prior to that).He pounced all over Hillary for her pro-war vote during the primaries; he’s the one that acted as if he was going to start ‘anew’, fresh as a daisy and give the poor and middle class money for all their daily expenses. Sorry that we’re just calling his lies what they are, lies.
It’s policy versus procedure. The procedures to running government stay the same. But different policy decides whether there is change or not and whether said change is good or not.
“It’s policy versus procedure. The procedures to running government stay the same. But different policy decides whether there is change or not and whether said change is good or not.”
If that’s the lie you need to comfort yourself to sleep each night… well good for you.
I didn’t vote for the guy. He’s a liar and a cheat!
Exactly. Look one of Bush’s most onerous failures was the no child left behind legislation that he enacted by supporting Kennedy’s totally asinine educational formula. A formula that lack apprehension of reality and was an old idealistic theory. Bush connected with a Kennedy that is contemporaneous with his father.
The only reason I supported and voted for McCain was Palin. Other than her I could care less for McCain’s policies. Palin on the other hand is who we are today, real America.
No she’s not. Most Americans are repelled by that kind of “social conservative” nonsense especially when coupled with her lack of intelligence. Sarah Palin is everything WRONG with America.
The only point I want to make about 0bama’s Clinton choices is this: it angers me that he ran on a campaign of CHANGE.
And this is what beat Hillary Clinton, of all people.
Sorry, but it just pisses me off that he’s the one picking Clinton people and getting away with it. I would have preferred Hillary to be in that position.
Essentially his campaign was a lie. Now, of course, considering that many were scared shitless at him being a loose cannon, yes, the Clinton choices are comforting.
But am I the only one who feels that Hillary was beaten by a lie? This, to me, is what’s wrong on so many levels. It sticks in my craw, and 0bama and all who preferred him to Hillary will never be forgiven or forgotten by me. I also intend to rub it in their faces every chance I get.
The reason the msm is bitching is because it means they have to give the Clintons their due and they hate that. Well tough on them!
I totally agree with you.
The entire campaign was run like 0bama was entitled to the Clinton mantle and he tore it off her shoulders and draggred it through the mud. He made me sick. I will never forget what he tried to do to Bill’s legacy. Never.
Mimi, right again. Everything about his campaign was a lie and he just admitted it — and by every Clinton appointment he makes, he admits it again.
After saying she had no foreign policy experience, by asking Hill to be SoS, he is admitting that she has better foreign policy chops and diplomatic konw how and street cred than anyone else.
Yup, Change we can believe in.
He’s the “Delegator” — he will never “Do” anything, but instead rely on the adults minding the mint to do it for him.
Wow — we coulda had Hillary. I’m with you, I’ll be reminding them every chance I get. I already am.
I wrote on a thread last week that he simply wanted to be the president. He achieved that goal, now everyone else will do the work.
Maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. Because who wants 0bama left to his own devices?
I don’t!
yup mimi that is my thought also.
His campaign was stealing the other candidates platform in order to minimize differences. Chameleon. Now he is happy stealing everything else. He even met with McCain and came out saying they would work together. Ridiculous.
Because he merely STOLE other’s policies right off their websites with few word changes –
We have no idea what 0-zero’s REAL agenda is.
I’ve heard convincing arguments that he is really really a Capitalist/Corporatist or the other end of the spectrum — he is a Marxist/Communist. Then there is the “free-market” dogma (Chicago School of Economics — Milton Friedman as patron saint).
Where does Soros fall in this spectrum?
We have no idea what 0-zero’s REAL agenda is.
You’re right, Mimi. In other words, we could have had a V-8, but instead got the aspertame Kool-Aid.
His “change” message was downright insidious and based on an hypocritical lie. This is why we need to hold his feet to the fire on everything he says and does in the next four years.
Mimi, trust - you are NOT alone.
It is reprehensible what Obama and his scum everywhere did to the Clintons during this election year.
The ONLY joy that I’m getting out of these latest Cabinet developments is seeing the Clinton haters’ faces being smashed to bits as Obama continues to demonstrate that he was NEVER the “hope” and “change” that those dumb bastards thought he was going to be.
My feelings are mixed too.
Seeing Obama hire many former Clinton people (who let’s face it - are DEFINITELY needed during these dangerously uncertain times in America) gives me a little relief.
But the Clintons, McCain, Sarah Palin and millions of other Americans were robbed, cheated and stepped on to get Obama to the White House. Where’s the justice in that?
If I’m a general, does it matter who my soldiers are as long as they carry out my orders?
A presidential administration ain’t exactly the military, pal.
Get that straight!
He chose people who were essential to the Clinton adminstration and who helped make Clinton policy work. You have to figure these people were in harmony with said policy.
There is definitely a case to made that 0bama must be on the same page with the policy of the Clinton era even though he trashed and demeaned it to get elected and beat Hillary. I doubt all of these people are going to carry out the radical agenda many here were panicked into believing 0bama intended.
It may settle people’s nerves, but it only verifies in my mind, that 0bama’s change campaign was a lie. This is not to say he won’t have some signature policy of his own, but you can bet this neophyte will be taking a whole lot of ‘Clinton’ type of advice.
Dear God, when are the Botheads ever going to wake up out of their friggin trance?
You people were CONNED!
Many of these OBots were in diapers when the Clintons were in office, so their only point of reference for the 90s is what Obama and surrogates told them. Because the Clinton hate was/is part of the Obama strategy, his campaign used Right-wing talking points to try to knock HRC out of the primary race. Unfortunately, these Right-wing talking points is what stuck with these youngin’s. Obama, too, made Reagon out to be his presidential role model, which was intended precisely to denigrate President Clinton and his administration. That he has so many Clintonites in his own administration just shows the depths to which Obama will go to get what he wants.
Yes.
Remember Colin Powell said soldiers vote with their boots?
Remember Viet Nam, too, wasn’t that part of the problem the soldiers finally turning on those unfit for command, voting with their boots?
(And who knows the truth about Iraq, yet, though certainly we will…)
A good general is different from some stupid piece of cheese who can’t even remember what day it is, much less run the place.
Soldiers aren’t dogs, no matter what they like to think…
Larry, I agree with most everything you’ve written except for possibly of Obama not being a moron.
Really, the selection of some of Clinton’s former people is a good sign to me. Perhaps surrounding himself with competence (sigh, we’ll see…) will mask Obama’s total incompetence.
Obama will have to do some very big, positive for everyone, and bold moves to EVER be seen as more than just an empty suit. He’ll have to do it on his own, too. One way to start is to prove he is a US Citizen beyond a shadow of a doubt and not a constitutional crisis waiting to happen. This one will rumble around in the atmosphere until it is resolved.
Let’s hope at least some of the cabinet members will know what they are doing.
One way to start is to prove he is a US Citizen beyond a shadow of a doubt and not a constitutional crisis waiting to happen.
Buzz, Buzz, Buzz… answer me something. If President-Elect Obama were not a U.S. citizen… and the Hillary Clinton and John McCain campaigns couldn’t nail that down and destroy his candidacy… doesn’t that mean Hillary and McCain are too incompetent to deserve the presidency?
Please take a cue from Larry Johnson and plant your feet in reality.
No one is prepared for an election campaign in which your opponent adopts your positions and mocks them at the same time.
It’s the transparency and change that Obama touts and then doesn’t comply to when it involves himself.
The question is not competence of Clinton or McCain, The question is why Obama has one set of rules for himself and another for everyone else.
Obama simply needs to release his records as requested. This is will linger as a huge problem in his credibility with those close to 59 million voters who did not think he was fit for the job.
Obama needs to come clean because it is the next “blue dress”.
Good luck with that. Meanwhile 4 million Americans are about to swarm into Washington, D.C. on Inauguration Day because your tinfoil-hatted prattlings matter to no one… while the magic of this moment matters to almost everyone.
Thanks for playing. Carol Merrill, tell him about his lovely parting gifts…
swarm eh? LOL Now there’s an accurate way to describe the BOBOweenie cult.
The hive members are going to descend on DC — ready for their hand outs.
Except that the Queen of the hive is a drone.
It’s great for residents. The going rate for a room for 24 hours is about $400. We are not going to mention that 4 million just won’t fit! LOL They believe what the MSM tells them.
we’ll have to send a loaf and a couple of fish over to the white house so BOBO and MOMO can feed the four million. LOL if we send over couple two by fours, maybe they can house them too
I wasn’t a BHO supporter because of his lack of experience amongst many other reaons, but am relieved that he is choosing Clinton people, and they have all matured 8 years. I hope they keep BHO in line and hope BHO doesn’t use them as scapegoats if “his” policies do not work out.
His hypocrisy is nauseating—how he berated the Clintons and called them racist during the primaries is nauseating, but just shows how much of a “pol” he really is. Part of me is elated that he now wants to depend on the Clinton administration’s people knowing that all of his faux “progressive liberal lefties” are probably blowing gaskets.
As Larry says, there is no question that our country was in so much better shape when Clinton left office than now, when Bush is ready to leave office.
I do hope BHO does listen to the experienced staff of the Clinton administration, however, I’m still having bizarre nightmares (which I never do) about our country. I had a nightmare yesterday morning about the codes of the nuclear football being passed off—although I did not see the “actual codes”—thank goodness—to much information that I never want to have!
Al-Zawahiri’s comments were a bit disconcerting, especially if he actually did say that BHO’s converting to Christianity and leaving Islam is an insult to all of Islam—-fatwah and apostasy?
Savage Politics ( http://www.savagepolitics.com ) did an article way back in February on what an 0bama presidency would mean in the Muslim world. He is viewed according to Islam as an ‘apostate.’ I’m sure the article is still available in the archives and if not, just ask the editor to re-post it.
The point is, that while the msm and people like Colin Powell were mocking us about claiming 0bama was a Muslim, and 0bama was trying to play it off as whacko rightwing propaganda, the truth is there was a more serious reason regarding his time in Indonesia under the dominion of his Muslim stepfather. 0bama wasn’t hiding this to just appease voters. The reason the Democratic establishment has given him cover on this is because they know that many Muslims will look upon him as someone who rejected Islam in favor of Christianity. And this has very serious and dangerous implications in the Islamic religion.
I suggest you research it yourselves. What peeves me is that Al-Qaeda waited to start this, which means they wanted him to win so they could engage on this level. This is not good, because it compromises 0bama, especially if the truth is revealed.
Eric Holder vs. Alberto Gonzalez
Hillary Clinton vs. Condoleeza Rice
Tom Daschle vs. Mike Leavitt
Rahm Emmanuel vs. Andy Card
Robert Gibbs vs. Scott McClellan
Folks,
This is what I saw to today…
No Government at all…
Not a clue on how to save the economy
No Obama anywhere in sight.
A race to the bottom by an incompetent congress
Complete lack of leadership
National Suicide!!!!!
I think 0bama taking this attitude about not stepping forward until Jan 20th a bit too far.
This is not an ordinary transition. We are in deep meltdown here. Decisions made now will have immediate implications in the next administration. Everyone agrees that Bush was a disaster. The Bush Era needs to come to a close. I know we can have only one POTUS at a time, but he does have the right to say something. Or at least let his intentions be known.
Or does he plan to use any faulty decision made during this ‘lame duck’ session as cover.
I call bullshit on 0bama. He doesn’t want to take a position. It’s time for him to decide on a Treasury Secretary and stop all this posturing.
Is is it going to be like this for 4 years.
Have Mercy!
mimi…why are you surprised that obama doesn’t want to make a tough call?…to me, sounds like him voting “present” all over again in the illinois senate.
His appetite for chaos which in turn feeds Michelle angry rants. Oh he loves to get home and listen to her put down everyone and put him to sleep with strings of justifications. Kind of different from Laura, who puts Bush to sleep by reading him stories from Mother Goose.
Someone today in the comments of a down thread made a very insightful comment —
Obama thrives on chaos.
This simple observation hit me like a ton of bricks. Because this is exactly how Obama will “rule”.
His campaign was chaos — he doesn’t play by normal rules.
This is a well known parenting “style” — and I’m going to have to do more research on chaos parenting.
My mother was addicted to chaos. And this is what I was recognizing in the Obama style.
Looks like I might have to write a rant and email it to NQ.
Your insight is good, Northwest… except it’s applied to the wrong person. I believe Hillary is the one who thrives on chaos.
Obama ran a disciplined campaign, not a lot of leaks, stayed on message, no staff turnover, mistakes dealt with quickly, etc.
Hillary, on the other hand, constructed a team at war with itself over basic strategy — the Mark Penn camp vs. the Harold Ickes faction. She fired campaign manager Patty Solis Doyle. The campaign’s internal business was leaked to the media on a regular.
That’s the big thing I worry about with Sen. Clinton as SoS… Will she bring chaos to the Cabinet? Leaking inside baseball to the press to advance her agenda… and even harm the president?
it was an easy message to say on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IWKhYQarJU
mimi:
I believe that BO should have named his Treasury Secretary already; that would probably calm the market’s panic/hysteria.
Thanks for letting me know. I’ll take your advise and views as very savvy.
So why in the hell are some commentators and pundits bitching about Barack Obama turning to folks who served on the Clinton team for help in setting up his Administration?
Oh larry, isn’t it obvious why they are bitching-
Obama’s platform during the primaries & general was to be the ‘change agent’ that would throw out the old cronies like Bush & the Clintons. Didn’t he say Hillary & fellow Clintonites were the politics of the past and had no business in today’s new world??
I for one like the stacking of Clinton peeps in the
White House but it’s utter hypocrisy for him to think we don’t remember all his Clinton denouncements.
Everyone should start learning Chinese.
Some already speak it, and they dont’ even know it.
If you want to make it to upper management you better.
Not necessarily, good for the resume, but ultimately it comes down to innovation, and the US is still the best.
Supply side doesn’t recognize innovation, neither does Wall Street really, not acknowledging it it as a vital part of economic growth is what always does them in.
We may still be in for a hard 4 years, but it’s really not wise to look through the myopic lens of internationalism, the MBA, and the Wall Street that gave us the last 8 years, and even some of the Clinton years.
And Chinese goods are garbage, btw, I’m starting to go without rather than buy Chinese, for instance, in my purchase of small goods, and food products.
One way or another, people vote with their boots.
No argument from me.
It feels like the Cold War era again. Dictators posturing. Tempers flaring. Accusations volleyed back and forth. The world is waiting in the wings to run over the top of the Obama administration.
I had a dream of hearing the air raid sirens where I grew up the other night. Lived in a city close to a nuclear plutonium extraction facility - Hanford, a SAC base - Fairchild, and in the state with nuclear subs - Bremerton. Those puppies went off every Wednesday at noon and we all ducked under our desks on cue.
No one is going to convince me Obama isn’t one of the biggest mistakes ever. It feels like the Cold War all over again. Only this time, there are more players and bigger stakes.
Even Somali pirates are giving Badcrack a model to work towards.
I think sometimes we give the other side too much credit.
Maybe they’re not exactly like us.
For instance, censorship, I don’t see it as a frightening move, I see it as a dumb move, as you really can’t stamp out free expression, it finds a way.
And the minute you censor your culture, you kill it, disabling innovation, and therefore economic growth.
Governments, not people.
All great societies come to an end. Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, the British. They’re not destroyed however, simply transformed. The next great society will be China.
The danger is that the U.S. will be isolated. A reversal of the last 500 years.
Dubya looked pretty damned isolated at that G-20 confab. In fact he looked like the proverbial last kid picked for the softball team. Nobody wanted him. Nobody.
I have serious doubts the next great society will be china. Any society that has to shut down it’s factories so that visiting Olympic athletes will have breathable air isn’t headed toward greatness.
I think it’s reassuring that so many Clinton people are joining his Administration. I halfway expected Bill Ayers as Secretary of Education, Rashid Khalidi as Secretary of Defense, and Tony Rezko at HUD.
Maybe Retzko when he gets out of jail(when he’s pardoned by BO).
Not much danger of that. Obama’s a user. Those bozos are history. Of all the possible sins they committed the worst: they made him look bad.
A man who ran on “change” is now using a ton of Clinton retreds. Of course this is normal politics. Bush has Nixon retreds. But this is not something new, different and beautiful. Its more of the same.
I believe that is my objection to it. Its more of the same, from the candidate of change.
Also, The Obama was not particularly respectful to the Clintons and the Clinton legacy in the primaries. He had nicer things to say about Ronal Reagan. Now all of a sudden he has to resurrect the Clinton cabinet?
Come on.
Many of the Reagan people worked in the GWB regime.
Margaret Spellings currently leads Education and Gates will stay on as SOD. Don’t know about HUD.
Larry, I agree. Knowing what we know about Obama, I feel a tiny bit better that Clinton people will surround him. Tiny bit.
Buzz Latte - you make a great point about tempers flaring and the world waiting in the wings for Obama to take over…
I’ve had the same ’sinking’ feeling as well. I hope Obama will be a strong prez but I believe the world witnessed our American Idol primary & general election and are wondering like many if Obama will be a weak leader. I’m feeling the calm before the storm but I hope my feelings are misplaced.
Agreed. Obama is nothing more than a token place holder since he has NO freakin’ experience to lead a cub scout pack let alone a nation. He’ll have to have players that know what they are doing in order for the US stay afloat.
I wonder if he’ll break GWB’s vacation record?
I ask this in all seriousness—if Obama is a placeholder/puppet/etc…who is the one in control? Who does he take his cues from (i.e., Bush had Cheney)?
Assuming Obama does fail and the rest of the world steps in and takes over, what then? Let’s say China , Russia and Dubai come in and buy everything in America. What should we do? Go to another country? Learn Russiand or Chinese or Arabic and go along with it? Move to Canada or Mexico?
You first.
I’m not worried about another country taking over America. I have quite a few valuable skill sets. I profit regardless of who’s running the country.
Fascists usually do.
Even if America as we know it is completely destroyed, none of us are going anywhere because we have no other skill sets.
Bob, who has your head, tonite?
Man you are talking in circles and making no sense. Who are you?
He’s a troll, trying to frighten.
Or he’s a frightened troll, somewhat thick and unawares.
Either way, ignore him.
I am losing confidence that Hillary and Bill know what they are doing, or anyone else that was part of their administation. They are allowing America to be sold down the river by Dodd, Frank, Dean, Reid, Walters, Meeks, Schumer, Pelosi and Obama. We all know what started this current economic mess, it was the CRA and giving mortgages to people who couldn’t afford them. Standard credit practices were thrown out like the trash. Then Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac poisoned all the markets with their junk and investors bought it up thinking it was backed by the US Govt. Now we are bailing out institutions left and right, and everyone who is supposed to be fixing this mess is involved or has a significant connection to the parties we are bailing out. What the hell is going on that Hill and Bill are allowing this to happen, what happened to “I will work my heart out for you”?
Do you speak any foreign languages or have any other skill sets valuable in another country? If you’re an engineer or computer scientist, they get you a translator. If not, then I suppose you’ll have to ride it out.
FYI, Spanish is one of the easiest languages to learn and speak; Chinese is perhaps the most difficult. (As for me, aside from English, I speak Spanish, French, Italian, and understand some Portuguese.) Considering how world events are unfolding though, I wish I had studied Arabic, Russian, or Chinese.
Allowing it to happen? In case you didn’t notice–HRC was not the nominee, and Bill is the former president. They are not in a position to do anything about it unilaterally. Why do you think she worked so hard to get BO elected? Because she knows that if she is in a Democratic administration, her agenda will have a much better chance. Hillary has always worked for change within the system. And we saw what happened to Bill whenever he tried to tell the truth during the primaries.
So his being called a racist is more painful then the rest of America tanking due to the economic crisis?
but….but….but….if they WANTED a 3rd Clinton term, they could have elected HILLARY.
Everyone should believe in something. I believe I’ll go fishing. Thoreau
Thanks for another great post, Larry. It’s ironic that Obama had Clinton people in his campaign, and now people act surprised that he’ll have Clinton people in his administration. I think it is a visceral hate reaction lacking grounding in reality -Obama fostered such hate among his supporters, and deceived them into thinking he would bring ‘change’. Now those same supporters are whining because Obama is not delivering the revolution they wanted. As if he could! As another commenter put it so well today (a poor paraphrase of it), when did Democrats throw intellectual thought out the window?
Well maybe he ought to make Bill Ayers Secretary of Education. That should satisfy the left cliff radicals.
Agreed, there is certainly a large shadow of Clintonians(and growing)cast upon the “change we can believe” theme of the incoming Obama Administration.
“Change” back from Bush 43 to a coalition government of Obama-Clinton?
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Just so long as he’s not relying on folks from the Hilton Dispensation.
His shadow box cabinet.
Larry, I have no problem with the folks that served in the departments and their experience, but we’re talking folks like Daschle… and some of the political hacks, he’s not bringing in just the clinton bureacracy, he’s bringing in congressional and senatorial hacks
there’s a difference
I agree, I think Daschle is a disaster of a pick.
The economics of the country are perilous, (and this relates to heath care, too) my feeling is Daschle doesn’t have what it takes to make the changes necessary, not even able to define the problems, perhaps more of a Rubin or a Summers democrat.
Which means, they’re not quite all there in the head, kinda out there in terms of seeing things as they really are, maybe more after the title and a personal need for recognition as opposed to working for the public good, just another part of the Washington bubble, both democratic and republican, those who got us into this mess.
This is a good thing for Obama. Clinton had a successful run, and I say this as a Republican.
That said, I would argue that Bush tackled problems that Democrats refused to tackle and paid for it, thus his present unpopularity. So of course Clinton looks a lot better.
I’d rather have Hillary’s people around Obama than anyone else. I suspect that Obama is looking for a way to have Hillary gracefully bow out.
“Bush tackled problems that Democrats refused to tackle ”
oh brother
Yeah. Bush tackled the Middle Class. But good.
It’s a shame.
Larry, the reason people are getting upset (not me) is that they were sold the NEW MAN, not Hillary…they were told she wasn’t good enough, not enough experience, and we needed CHANGE. So many people can now see that Hillary should have been POTUS if this is the cabinet.
Obama’s over a barrel. He is unqualified. He may not be a US citizen - if he is, why won’t he just cough up all the records… He is a banana republic dictator at best with a less than gracious wife that has to be pawned off to the American public as a role model. He is intrinsically tied to Chicago corruption and he has half of the country very, very unhappy about his “nomination”.
Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Obama beats GWB’s vacation days record.
People are in a major episode of buyers’ remorse. Everything that Obama does is being scrutinized and well it should be.
If he’s not a citizen, then better to know now. If he’s only a puppet, well that becomes more and more obvious since he has to choose from the Clinton cabinet since he doesn’t have any reputable friends to choose from himself.
You are 100% correct. If he had to draw from the pool of his “friends” we would have some fun with Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Farakhaan, Al Monsour, etc. in the White House. I’m glad he is leeching off the Clintons after all.
If Obama is a “true Lefty” then why hasn’t he invited Kucinich, Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Chris Dodd, Waxman, or Cynthia McKinny into his administration? What about Robert Kennedy Jr?
I thought Robert Kennedy Jr was up for head of the EPA?
Exactly — he has done a great job of playing both sides.
We don’t know what his real agenda is.
Good point — why hasn’t he found a spot for the real liberals?
Except for none of those people are his among his close friends. Nor would a politician like Obama place his friends in important positions. This is not George W. Bush. This is a serious pragamatic politician. Seriously, stop believing this ridiculous cartoon version you’ve made up of Obama and look at the real guy. He’s not who you think he is. It’s going to be a long awakening for some of you Obama haters, but this guy is for real and he is going to be a great President.
Well said. What a pity he couldn’t have been scrutinized before the election.
Buzz, he doesn’t have any qualified friends either. In fact, he seems not to have any friends, period. Who during the past two years actually was able to call Obama his longtime friend? The only people he knows are chicago thugs. He hasn’t stayed in any job long enough to make any impact or build any network of capable people to speak of. So filling his slots would be impossible considering he has no exprience and no network of qualified people. Who’s he going to hire in these slots if not somebody else’s picks? He hasn’t got a clue what to do, that’s what. Change. My foot.
Among the serious problems with your comment: Obama won the highest % of votes of any President-elect since George Bush’s dad back in 1988 (when he destroyed Dukakis.)
As far as the tinfoil hat nonsense about him being a citizen: The State of Hawaii has officially stated that Obama was born in Hawaii. His birth announcement was in two local papers the week after he was born. That’s already 99% more evidence that Obama was born in America than the commenters here have. Just seriously give that one up.
I never had a problem with Clinton folks–but that’s the whole point. The issue is not the Clinton Administration but Obama’s blatant hypocrisy. He has minimal experience, so he sold himself as the “Change!” candidate. It was ALL going to be DIFFERENT! Those awful Clintons were soooo OLD POLITICS! He dissed Bill every chance he got. So what does he do when he needs to build a team?
He follows the Clinton playbook.
So now we have a very inexperienced, unethical president-elect surrounded by Clinton veterans. What’s missing in this scenario? The actual, experienced Clinton who could have been the perfect captain for this team: HRC.
LJ:
I am 100% with you on this one re. Clinton people and hopefully keeping the Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan, etc.
On the other hand I am not happy with Brennan’s experience and seems he going to CIA (heard that one again today)?
Also: what’s is your analysis/view of Gates’s role/influence vis a vis US policy with Iran?
(seems he is also staying in place)
correction: keeping away he Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan, etc.
LJ:
I am 100% with you on this one re. Clinton people and hopefully keeping away the Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan, etc.
On the other hand I am not happy with Brennan’s experience and seems he going to CIA (heard that one again today)?
Also: what’s is your analysis/view of Gates’s role/influence vis a vis US policy with Iran?
(seems he is also staying in place)
Thanks, Larry, for sticking your neck out on this issue.
Did I say issue? It’s bigger than that. We’re in a world of hurt. I’m watching the machinations on Wall Street, what seems to be Treasury’s choreography, what is definitely a panic, and I’m wondering if this hasn’t happened before, way back in the nineteenth century when Morgan, Fitch, Cooke, Fisk, Gould, Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Vanderbilt ran the country into and back out of the ground on a regular, highly contrived basis.
Other than that, I’m looking forward. The election’s over. Time to move on.
Why are people a little upset?
Because he spent most of the primary bashing the Clinton administration, and the beastly hordes followed his every move.
He’s a HYPROCRITE. Period.
Ok third time is the charm.
Repectfully, Mr.Johnson, I disagree.
A moron is define as being “stupid” or “foolish”.
You yourself have said BO is a human without a moral compass. All manner of moronic actions arise from that condition BO suffers from. Have we not seen example after example of this from BO and documented so well on your site?
I hope you are correct about his gate keepers. There isn’t a thing BO can say that I will believe. His credibility is beyond repair in my humble opinion. I fully expect this behavior of BO’s to continue regardless of how many “scary smart” people he surrounds himself with.
For the last month I have been wondering what will be the cost of BO’s redemtion, if that is even possible at this point.
He is OUR Moron now, I pray it is not in lives of those that serve.
I will “stay tuned” and thank you for the forum.
Larry, the one thing that bothers me is how much Obama bashed the Clinton years and how “we don’t want to take steps backwards”. What bothers me is how he can’t mimic Bill Clinton’s administration fast enough but he spent plenty of time carping that making Hillary the candidate would mean “going back” to the Clinton years. He never did anything but show Clinton in a negative light. Gave him no credit whatsoever, and gave none to Hillary either—and now here he is doing exactly that which he snorted about throughout the primaries. The hypocrite.
Yes, I wonder how his firm supporters are reacting to the fact that all these Clinton administration picks make very clear that his ENTIRE campaign narrative was a lie.
Are they still defending him — or are they raging? Any buyer’s remorse at all? I am not being snarky here. Just curious.
I’d love someone’s perspective on this as I refuse to go anywhere near HuffPo or DailyKos since they have been so hateful.
I like that Obama is trying to surround himself with experienced people from the Clinton administration.
I especially like watching Obot heads explode as they try to figure out where The Change is.
Seems like a pretty big change from George W. Bush to me!
I never though of Obama as being some far liberal guy - I think he’s a pragmatic politician who knows how to get things done. Having some folks in there who have been through it before will help him stay on course. It’s just another smart choice by Obama.
beside get elected, what “things” has BOBO “got done”?
LOL…oh silly me . What was I thinking. BOBO passed telecom immunity.
Ran a brilliant campaign for one. McCain & Clinton couldn’t even do that.
so other than pass telecom immunity and get elected…LOL you got nothin.
Obama had nothing to do with passing telecom immunity, that bill was passing with or without him.
I personally think that how one runs their campaign says a lot about what kind of President they will be. You can ignore that evidence if you wish - but regardless your claims will be pretty hollow after Obama finishes 8 years as an extremely successful President.
oh sure he did. LOL he voted for it. He spoke out publicly that he would vote for it. I guess you could say he got er don.
A brilliant campaign — well if you had a
$1 billion war chest and the press kissing your feet every day for a year, while crapping on the other candidates, and you were coming out of 8 years of Bush — gee — I’ll bet we could even get you elected President (if you’re over 35, that is).
Brilliant? Outspending the competition from 3:1 to 8:1??
The press fawning over you….
Brilliant?? Oh, please.
I have a rough time with the brilliant part too. BOBO barely squeaked a victory over Hillary and was running in a dead heat with McCain up until the economy collapsed.
Sounds like Obama’s “change” mantra is just the same ‘ole same ‘ole, Washington as usual politics. I thought he ran a campaign promising change and hope; seems to me like it’s just the same old people that’s been in Washington their whole lives with the same OLD ideas they’ve had for YEARS! So, where’s the change? Obama should be sued for ‘false advertising’!
Of course, we all KNOW the real reason Obama’s picking the same old Washington insiders, it’s because he doesn’t have a CLUE on how to be commander in chief and he doesn’t want that discrepancy exposed by hiring fresh-faced, NEW, outside people,with NEW ideas! How sad America has become…..
False advertising indeed!
Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-11-19 22:50:09
Larry, the one thing that bothers me is how much Obama bashed the Clinton years and how “we don’t want to take steps backwards”. What bothers me is how he can’t mimic Bill Clinton’s administration fast enough but he spent plenty of time carping that making Hillary the candidate would mean “going back” to the Clinton years. He never did anything but show Clinton in a negative light. Gave him no credit whatsoever, and gave none to Hillary either—and now here he is doing exactly that which he snorted about throughout the primaries. The hypocrite.
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Uppity, as I mentioned in a previous post - Obama and ESP. MEchelle can’t stand Hillary (or Bill), but Obama NEEDS all the experienced help he can get since he hasn’t a clue on how to run, manage or govern ANYTHING. So, to cover his butt - he’s USING Hillary (and Bill) even though he ran them down constantly. Of course, being ‘used’ in this case means a big “pay raise” and a more powerful position for the Clintons. I guess it’s either suck it up and swallow your pride and go for the big prize, or keep your pride/dignity and get passed over.
Still, as you say - it’s HYPOCRITICAL, and to me, on BOTH sides!
I do not think the choice Hillary Clinton in primarily for governance. I believe it’s mostly for political reasons but… in a way that is governance. So maybe it is. The idea that Obama couldn’t find 100s of other qualified people to be SOS is ridiculous though. That’s not what this is about.
You guys really have to start admitting you were wrong about Barack Obama. This is a once in a lifetime type of politician. We should all be very proud to have a person of his caliber as our President over the next 8 years.
every person is once in a lifetime, which makes your claim underwhelming.
I said once in a lifetime “type of politician.” What’s special about Obama is not that he’s super liberal, he’s not really. Nowhere near as liberal as I’d like him to be in my perfect world. What makes him special is the way he’s able to communicate with people and get things done. There’s a certain magic he has. And whether you like it or not, that’s a big part of being a successful politician.
Wow-you’re really deluded. Obama is condescending and patronizing, and his ridiculous preacher-like speech cadence and flowery rhetoric turns my stomach every time I hear him. If he has any magic to him, it’s Black Magic.
every politician is a once in a lifetime politician, type of politician, whatever you want to all it. It Ok, we understand. It’s just nothing special.
Many of us have wondered what is Obama’s “agenda.” I never really thought he had an agenda other than to make himself feel important. So, even though he totally trashed the Clintons during the primaries, he is now appointing people from the Clinton administration. As Larry said, who else is there for him to pick from?
What I am most mystified about is why Obama chose to run such a nasty and divisive campaign. Watching the 60 Minutes interview I could see how some people would conclude the he is a great guy. This is, if they never heard of Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, Farrakhan, etc. Or if they are unaware of how Obama and his followers smeared the Clintons, and used the race card and misogyny as part of his campaign.
Obama claimed to be a different kind of candidate. Then he turned out to be one of the sneakiest, back-room-dealing, old-school pols I’ve ever seen. And now I guess everyone is supposed to just forgive and forget.
I for one do feel relieved that Obama is bringing in the Clinton retreads. We are getting a recreation of the Clinton administration, but without the brilliant Bill Clinton at the top. We all can look forward to seeing the hopey-changey presidency in action.
It’s just flat out amazing to me that out of all of the mud slung in this election cycle (primarily from McCain & Clinton) that you could pick out the Obama campaign as being “nasty and divisive.” Obama never went after anyone else’s character. He always ran on his vision for America and on the issues. That’s very important. That’s why people responded to his campaign. Precisely because it wasn’t the nasty and divisive campaigns we got form McCain & Clinton.
It’s personal attacks and in particular “association attacks” that are most disgusting and Obama never did any of those on his opponents (and yes, he easily could - particularly against McCain who has a closet full of skeletons. but also against Clinton with all of her husband’s scandals.)
BOBO’s campaign pushed the story that Hillary wanted him murdered after her RFK comments. We have seen the likes of what BOBO did since Bush spread it around that John McCian had a black baby.
Oh please. That story was nothing compared to Hillary Clinton siding with the REPUBLICAN over Obama during the primary (when she compared McCain favorably to Obama) and when she said she didn’t know whether Obama was a Muslim or not.
So what you’re saying is that hillary wanting us to believe that McCian had CINC cred, is worse that BOBO wanting us to believe that Hillary wanted him murdered?
And umm, LOL why should Hillary have to know what religion BOBO follows? It’s a free country right? You can worship a plastic bag if that’s what gets you to the end.
have I been blocked from posting? My comments are NOT posting and when I try again, it says “duplicate and never shows up.
This has been happening all week.
I’d also like to make an important point. Most Obama supporters were and are very familiar with Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, & Farrakhan. We just realized that they were completely unimportant. The kind of “associations” you can pull out about anyone. We also knew that none of these people would have anything to do with Obama’s Presidency, so why would they be of any concern?
I’m sorry I just find it absolutely hilarious that anyone would think that any of those people would have anything to do with Obama’s Presidency. Is like people who bought into the right wing smear job of Obama instead of the reality that he’s a very pragmatic politician who is nowhere near as liberal (as a politician anyway) as he’s been portrayed.
but you don’t know what most BOBO supporters were familiar with. That claim came straight out of your ass.
WildChild I happen to be an Obama supporter and I know of all of those folks quite well. I also know of many other Obama supporters who also know of all of those stories. For God’s sake - all the media talked about was Jeremiah Wright for about a month in the spring. It’s amazing to me that anyone could act like we didn’t hear enough about that guy. And Bill Ayers? Fox News became the Bill Ayers Network for quite some time. We’ve all heard about how Obama was friends with a well respected professor and it just made us shake in our boots. The fact is these association attacks are dead. They are a big part of what the vast majority of Americans are sick of and it’s a big part of why Barack Obama was elected President. We’re tired of these types of childish games and these types of diversions.
And that’s what we should be talking about - how does Barack Obama get things done as President. If we really care about our country then that’s what we all want.
all of those folk number in the millions. which would mean “most” of those folks also number in the millions. Which leaves any path connecting you to the thought’s of most BOBO supporters, leading directly back to your ass
True, the Clinton years were somewhat better than the Bush years - though different set of factors and circumstances to handle.
Clinton did well with balancing the budget, kept us out of war with more diplomacy. You have to give credit that Bush has kept us safe since 9/11.
The current economic crisis has been brewing for a long time due to greed, mismanagement and instant gratification - though I think the Bush administration and Democrat Majority Congress have been asleep.
As for Bambi choosing former Clinton personnel- well he can. It would have been interesting to see more independent choices. Though regardless of who he gets, I still do not like him. - But he can freely choose who he wants.It is a free country, right? For the time being ?
Okay, have the messiah-worshippers got the message yet? Bobo appears to be a nuts-and-bolts politician. He apparently used the likes of Rev. Wright and Ayers to get ahead in Chicago, and now he’s going to use D.C. insiders to do the job there. He’s made use of Bill and Hillary since he got the nomination. How dumb could a Dem be NOT to do so? He needs to unite the Dems first. Just look at the reactions of the Repubs to his possible pick of Hillary! If they thought it was good for them, they’d be all for it! Yet, they, along with all diehard Clintonphobes, are sputtering with outrage, coming up with silly objections that a first-grader would be embarrassed to use!
Karl Rove thinks Hillary has it. Whoopee!
Larry Johnson has no Idea what the people that protect him think. I am a militaty member for quit some time now and now that iam a family man I am for the first time scared for our future if you think the clinton admin did US any good your level of stupidity is lower than the BORAT movie. lets take away our funding and equipment and give it to the less fortunate folks of the us so I might just not make it back from afgani land.
And why do you assume you are correct, that is rather egocentric thinking, isn’t it?
Its’ a bit more complex.
For instance, all this talk about Israel, sometimes I get the impression the Israeli neocons really think they’re a superpower, on par with the US.
They’re not.
And it’s reflected in the failure of their decisions, their military efforts.
All the propaganda in the world can’t stop reality.