Let Us Not Blame Hillary
By Artemis March on November 20, 2008 at 12:05 PM in Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Voter Fraud
This notion I’m hearing that Hillary should have taken on her Party and perhaps lead an independent movement—please, get a grip. It’s just not who she is. We need to see and respect that. We aren’t serving our long-term interests when we do what women too often do with women leaders: project an unrealistic image, feel personally betrayed when she doesn’t meet our standard—a standard we don’t impose on men—and tear her down.
I don’t think Hillary has ever seen herself as a movement leader. Not an MLK but more like LBJ, the insider who can get the nuts and bolts in place so that the outsiders’ dreams may become a reality. She has relied on her mastery of interdependent issues and coalition-building skills to gain respect—never trusting charisma or that she even had it. At the convention, she tried to get people to focus on the policies, not on her. It took Marcia Pappas to speak a truth I think Hillary never quite dared believe for herself: “I was in it for you, Hillary. It was about you.”
Besides, no one has ever been elected as an independent, not even Teddy Roosevelt who’d already done well in the top job. Like it or not, a woman candidate needs the backing and the infrastruc¬ture of one of those wings of the corporate party. If Hillary had ever entertained the notion that this grass-roots movement was going to carry her—well, more than a few peeled off and some say never again. Very precarious being Hillary. Very precarious being a woman in her position.
When die-hard supporters write about feeling betrayed by Hillary’s campaigning too hard for him, I think, oh, no, here we go again. The endless meetings we endured during the early 70s to deal with the “horizontal hostility” that we didn’t really understand or know how to handle—and still don’t. It’s so huge and so deeply ingrained. As women, we direct our aggression toward the safer target: other women. Even women who were abused often blame the mother who didn’t (or couldn’t) protect her, more than the father, stepfather, or boyfriend. That women dis-identify with the caste of women, are divided from each other, and direct our anger toward one other is the make-or-break territory for feminism—and arguably the biggest barrier to electing a woman president.
Yet none of these pragmatics captures my global response to these latest attacks on Hillary. The Right’s hatred and projections are predictable. The male-identified faux-feminists and the misogynist males of the Left who sank Hillary have shown their true colors this season. But when some of the faithful lose faith, it dredges up an ache in my soul. All that we have endured for five millennia merges with the specter of this new movement (to which Hillary’s candidacy has given birth) crashing once again on the rocks of women’s internalized oppression. Our Warrior Queen was checkmated. Will her child slip away as well?
Yes, I know how awful it was for each of us to see her campaigning so long and hard for him (as she always said she would), but how much more dreadful for her to go through this!! Knowing about the caucus fraud, knowing that the Party to which she was ever faithful never had her back, experiencing betrayal after betrayal from those whose careers she and Bill had made or had propped up—knowing all this and much more, she soldiered on with grace the likes of which I have rarely seen.
Her June speeches (and even her convention speech) gloriously buoyed us up while masterfully never conceding or endorsing him. I thought at the time, thank you, thank you for giving us this. You knew we couldn’t stand that right now. You kept faith with us. I wrote a piece that it was not Hillary’s job to unite the Party or win it for the loser, but I knew that if he lost, she would be toast. Scapegoating women is how men evade responsibility and justify their power.
How did she stomach what she felt she had to do—for her future, for our future, and in all probability, because of all kinds of threats? I think her choices were made for what she sees as the greater good of his country in these perilous times as well as for her own political viability. Do we really want to tear that down? Men (except those in ideological movements) don’t do that to each other. Shall we, who don’t have all the pieces, second-guess her?
Perhaps most galling of all, her post-primary choices mean that, although her campaign did lodge complaints about caucus fraud, she is not able to speak the truth about the primaries publicly. Nor, as I have written elsewhere (here and here), can she tackle the misogyny on her own because she needs a Greek Chorus to amplify, interpret, and spin with, for, and about her. Holding that silence is way beyond what most, and probably all, of us truth-tellers could handle.
Hillary doesn’t have the luxury that we do to be the principled outsiders naming the truth about the underside of her opponent’s campaign—the “real campaign.” It is vital that we all be the voice that she cannot speak. We must build a truth-based narrative about her, and replace the false dominant narrative about what happened during this campaign. A tall order, but essential to her future, the future of other women candidates, and our own.
Let us not turn our pain, disappointment, anger, despair, and heartache into attacking this extraordinary woman for the choices she made because they don’t fit our outsiders’ fantasy. Let us not participate in the scapegoating of female candidates—the behavior we have taken such exception to when done by others. Let us not do what women under patriarchy have done for their survival and crumbs for centuries—turn their anger horizontally rather than vertically—which keeps us divided and subordinated.
Let us train our fire where it belongs: the misogynist behavior of her abusive opponent, her Party, and the media, and the androcentric socio-political system which places women in impossible situations and pits them against each other. Patriarchy thrives on divisions it foments among women. Let us not fall prey to that. Let us catch ourselves when we fall into it, and do the hard work to stop it so that we don’t self-destruct as the Second and Third Waves did.
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It’s still not too late (a girl can dream)! My fingers are crossed. Not to mention I heard the Kool-Aid non-stop drip has dried up!
Great post Artemis! I have to admit, I was a little sad and a wee bit peeved when Hillary kept on stumping for him. But, I got over it. I still (heart) Hillary. And you made some excellent points!
(hi PSIG!)
THANKS, ARTEMIS….what a beautiful psudonym…Did you know you share the same name with HIllary Diane Rodham Cllinton?
Diane of course is the latin equivalent of the Greek goddess protector of the vulnerable, protector of Children and the forest and promoter of Justice–ARTEMIS! suits Hillary to a t-
Great post. Let’s be watchful of the anorexic resume’s attempts to fool us into thinking the big bad wolf has shed his evil ways cause he’s learned how to cover himself in sheepskin!
A Puma for Hillary–ALWAYS!
Hillary has shown me that she is just another politician yearning for power. Excuse me while I attach another bottle of JD to my IV.
I’m with ya Harp!
Harp, I feel your pain, but come on: you know how the political world runs… Do you think that if she had step outside the game and say and do what we wanted anything anything would be different? Do you really believe that you can stay in power as an outsider? Noone can. The question is how far and what price are you willing to pay. If ending HRC career in exchange for she coming out would change anything; sure I am with you. But it would have changed nothing b/c everyone that had (and still has) a megaphone would have crushed her. Like Artemis March says we are the ones that need to fight this. How?
I don’t know… each of us has to find a way in our everyday lives, never forget and keep making BO and everyone else accountable for these type of behavior.
Step by step. One day at the time.
HRC is not “superwomam”…she needs us to help her changing the “rules.”
“Do-so” is more important than “say-so.”
I think this is the same extremely high expectations that are put onto women.
They are severely limited, because people impose an impossible standard of expectations on them.
Women should be allowed to perform professional jobs in the same way as men, and that means….be politically savvy if that’s called for.
HARP sweetie
Go drink your Bushie-kool-aid….and write a letter in support of impeachment of Dubbya while you’re at it–on behalf of 200,000 Iraqi women now working as prostitutes in Syria and Jordan to support their families…and another 250,000 walking aimless and crippled in their own country, Iraq, after the mess your Bush-Messiah created. Your Bushocracy has destroyed the world and caused this meltdown and small wonder you’re attached to your koo-aid IV still…Obamyopia is a curable affliction tho…
read Artemis’ column this time!
I don’t agree. She wants to help our country even if she has to work with evil , to make sure she is in the circle and knows what is happening.
Hmmmm…I always admired HRC for her career and the stances she took. She was and is an excellent example of a flexible and able legislator and has proven leadership qualities that attracted many voters in the primaries. However she is because of her actions worthy of sound criticism and scrutiny like any effective politician…
Most folks can tell the difference…If not she simply would not have garnered the number of votes she rightfully won.
Feminists are in a classic generational shift indicative to most idealogical movements…All in all a distasteful as this has been it has probably been healthy because it exposes the underbelly…Not always a bad thing…imho…and predictable…
Thanks for this post. Please keep writing to remind us all of our focus.
FWIW I’ve never been angry AT Senator Clinton. I’ve been angry FOR her.
Jiffy ML
Thanks!
I’ve been angry as only a PUMA can be–FOR Hillary!
She was vilified by the misogynist MSNBC fratboy leg thrillers–and guess what? Just read
MSNBC’s parent company GE capital received 140 billion dollars! No wonder Chrissy Matthews Obamabot UNO goes on air and says “We have to protect change”…He should be disqualified as journalilst and also Olbermann The crypto-gay guy with hangups galore! No wonder he’s homophobic and misogynistic. All these Hillary-hating men have an axe to grind against women….since they were little boys. And some like Obamarama still are….
Does anyone care about the one million Iraqi women off in Syria and Jordan working as PROSTITUTES becuase Bushie Junior wanted a War to prove Himself to Daddy-o? The full catastrophe from his moron who’s destroyed his country’s good will and reputation and future….and he’s still hanging on as Prez! No impeachment from the corrupt Brazile-Dean-Pelosi Group of Traitors to the unDemocratic Party!
Who is this man and why is he harshing Obamalot’s Mellow?
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You’re off topic. Move this to an open thread please.
Not only that, when someone does start to blame Hillary, we MUST stand up for her. Do not sit quietly by and let the lies and bullshit slide. Call them on it with anger and passion and for Christ’s sake FIGHT BACK. No one dares mention Barky in my presence anymore, they know better. And I openly voice my displeasure for all things Obama out in public. If they think I’m a racist, so be it. I know I’m not. Right now I’m in flight school so that when my husband retires, he and I can do aid drops in Africa. I’ve been a screaming liberal since before I could vote and I have never wavered on my views unlike the KOS kids, Huffy Post and that Hitchens blowhard. I will not abandon my party, my views or Hillary. Funny, I thought my anger would subside after the election, but it seems to have gotten worse. Seeing Barfy scramble all the ex Clinton staffers to him because he knows he’s nothing but a politcal poser just pisses me off. Damn the little bastard to the lowest level of hell.
Can you imagine all the flack Senator Clinton would be getting right now had SHE won the presidency and was tapping all these folks from President Clinton’s team for staff positions? The criticisms would be loud, mean and constant.
Yes but Hillary didn’t go around saying how they were part of the politics of the past, they were part of a corrupt administration or a failed one. Barf Orama is a hypocrite of the highest order.
I know – that’s exactly my reaction. The MSM would be going ballistic – “See?? She’s just recreating her husband’s Administration!” And on and on it would go,
Puget Sound! Good to *see* you again!!
Well, Amy…..having MSN go “ballistic” about Hillary is about as shocking as having Rush L. rant at the drive-by media.
So?
I totally agree, Hillary would never get away with this.
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It’s really hard for me every time I hear the media refer to him as the President elect or President Obama. I always think Hillary should be President. I don’t think that will ever subside.
You are a girl after my own heart. I have been fighting for a long time, but I was born way too soon and haven’t gotten very far.
Excuse me… we’re supposed to stand up for Hillary? Hillary is a big girl and as a Senator she is supposed to be standing up for us and our country. And, yes, I am deeply disappointed that she put party and self before country – raising money for Obama and going on the stump for him knowing he hadn’t changed from the person she told us he was. She lost my trust. Sorry.
yup. me too. cuz the next time she says, “i’ll fight all the way to wherever - give me more money” – i just won’t believe her, will i – considering the fact that i watched her give californian’s votes/voices away. or the next time she tells me her opponent ISN’T qualified or capable, i probably won’t believe her then, either.
i don’t care whether you’re a woman, a dem a repub… burn me once and i’ll forgive you. burn me twice and if i love you enough, i’ll probably forgive you eventually. torch me (which campaigning and endorsing and kissing obama a** was the equivalent for me) and i just won’t. ever. sorry hillary and hillary lovers. i don’t care for sell-outs or cheaters. hillary is the former, obama is the latter.
and the chorus of “but it’s politics,” “what else could she do?,” “her political career would be ruined,” “blah blah blah…”rings hollow with me. first of all true patriots put country first. period. second, hillary is one of the most recognized and powerful women in the world, and she and her hubby are millionaires. yeah, let me have THAT ruined career for a day.
and don’t get me wrong, it KILLED me to realize she rolled over – for whatever reasons – esp. that she rolled over for obama and the slimey dnc.
okay, blast away. i’m ready.
You say it so well!
The latest one that cracks me up. The media is talking about how she causes drama, while they are totally obsessed with her SoS nomination process and ignoring the rest of the cabinet spots.
LOL*
File this under, “Yep, they really think we’re that dumb.”
As far as I’ve seen, she’s made 1 statement, and it was innocuous.
Thanks for this article. I think the Clintons know Obama is incompetent and they know the whole nasty scheme of the people who thrust him in office. If she could be in the administration, maybe she can keep the lid on these people to some extent. For my money, if she can beat Kerry and Richardson out of the SOS position, I’ll be thrilled. Can’t stand either one of them. I’m sure that was Kerry’s whole purpose in pushing Obama. Richardson probably thought he’d get VP, and then he was going to settle for SOS. I want to see that Judas disappointed. Maybe we’ll finally get him out of national politics.
Anyone read that Janet Napolitano is going to be Secretary of Homeland Security? Guess that’s why she turned on Hil. She’s been begging the feds to send more forces down to the AZ border. She supported barring illegals from AZ benefits. Wonder how that will jive with Obama’s plan to amnesty all these illegals and give them every possible benefit.
Thank you! Everyone is raving about her. She seems horribly conservative to me on this issue.
*blech*
(I’m not a conservative on this topic.)
Artemis-thank you, thank you, thank you. You expressed so beautifully what I have been thinking for these past two months. Why do we keep blaming the woman? I agree, Hillary was and is the epitome of grace under fire. She is unbelievably courageous and I will continue to support her in whatever she decides to do. She would make a fabulous SOS, if she is allowed to do the job. However, I’m not sure BO would be willing to let anyone else garner the glory as he believes is his due. I can still picture his acceptance speech, all alone on the stage, a place that is usually shared with the VP and various family members. What the BO administration is asking of the Clintons is ridiculous. Why should Bill give up his way of life? Why should he run his speeches past BO’s administration before speaking. His Foundation was built on being of service to others. How could or should anyone want to curtail this work, if they really wanted to make this a better world? The Clintons have done such good work throughout their lives, and Obama is seeking to control whatever they do. It is not right. I agree with you also, that what is not right is directing our anger at Hillary. The DNC, Obama, and his campaign, and the msm deserve to be the target of our anger. Thank you again.
I supported Hillary without reservation. I think she is an amazing, brilliant, strong, powerful woman. And I can still disagree with her and criticize her actions if I don’t agree with her.
It was she who promised to campaign for The Pretender if he won the primary. She stuck to her promise, and I admire her for that. She chose the level of support she gave to him – knowing who he was, knowing what he had done to her, knowing of the voter fraud and funding fraud and sexism and misogyny and race baiting – and that I do not admire. She placed party first, a party that has become as corrupt as “the other guys”, and that I do not admire.
I’m not scapegoating a female candidate. I’m disagreeing with a particular candidate who happens to be female. I’m disagreeing with her silence. I’m not sure how she can be a voice for women’s rights around the world when she won’t speak up against the sexism and misogyny that took place during this election, directed at her, at Governor Palin, at Geraldine Ferraro, and therefore at all women.
Yes, women must support each other against sexist attacks, we must stand together, we must speak out against it. Does Hillary get a pass on that because she’s a politician? Or should we demand that, as a politician, she should speak the loudest? As should every other female member of Congress (and yes, the men should as well).
I don’t expect her to lead an independent movement. But I don’t agree that we have to be her voice, because she is not in a position to speak for herself. She’s in exactly the right position to speak the truth. If we don’t demand it of her, of every one of our Congressional representatives, then who will speak for us? Yes, I know, we must speak for ourselves, but that does not absolve our representatives, Hillary among them, from speaking out as well.
I agree.
DITTO
What do you think the msm would do if she spoke out? Do you really think they would give her a pass and she would get to speak her mind? I think she would be further villified (if that is possible). Right now, the msm won’t speak one word against the messiah. It’s just the way it is. Look at the names we have been called for not joining the koolaid crowd, dead-enders, and sore losers etc. It is 100 times worse for her. What other representative, or senator have you seen come out and talk to the press about the voter fraud. No one, nada, zilch, zero. That is how much support Hillary would have if she were the one to speak out.
The Mainstream Media was very unfair to Mrs. Clinton during the presidential campaign of 2008. Inspite of that unfair treatment, the former First Lady still put her team first and foremost going ahead and campaigning for the eventual winner before an actual outcome would be officially known.
Thank you for an excellent analysis.
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You’re off topic. Please move this to an open thread.
Hillary is a good Democrat and a patriot. She did and is doing what she believes is best for the party and the nation.
Women have always had to live in a world controlled at the top by men, and we’ve learned how to inject our influence all the way from our own households to the White House. If we just go somewhere and pout, men tend to just ignore us and go about their business.
I don’t see how Bobo can lose if he picks Hillary. He’ll get her experience, intelligence, and loyalty. He must know he’s in over his head, and he certainly doesn’t want the Clintons or Clintonistas as enemies. You’ll notice how most of the hoopla greeting any of the purported nominations has all swirled around things Clinton. The Repubs and O-bot media don’t want Hillary. Why?
Amen, Artemis. Brilliant article.
No man would ever be held to the standards Hillary is — or have faced the attacks she did (and is still receiving).
I still support her and always will.
I admired how Hillary fought during the primary. However as I’ve said all along, if it was me, I would finish out my Senate term and then tell them all to kiss my ass. She can do alot of good in this world without serving in Congress. How much do you think they will let her or Bill do anyway? Obama is in deep shit and that is why he is employing the Clinton administration. For this we could have had the real thing and Obama could have gone back to the Chicago gutters from whence he came. I have mixed feelings about her motives, that is on her shoulders not mine.
I don’t see that his Clinton appointments mean he’s in trouble. Most of the politicos who are Democrats worked in some capacity for Clinton. In fact, Bill faced a much tougher job putting together an administration, since there were so few people prepared and ready.
Obama would be foolish not to tap into the talent pool. PLUS, they are more mature now.
As for Hillary? Hillary is a professional. Pouting about losing isn’t professional. She’ll do what she thinks is best for the country, I’m sure.
I’m personally convinced it’s SoS. HOWEVER, Bill does worldwide good, so there’s got to be a real consideration of the trade-off.
Oh imagine that, you disagree.
You are entitled to your opinion but I don’t consider it pouting if I refuse to let someone treat me like shit. Maybe you do. I call that not taking any shit from anyone. As I said, she can do alot of good for this country wo being in Congress. How is she going to work on healthcare and all of the other issues she championed for if she is no longer a Senator? She can’t.
As for Clinton people, he called them racists and trashed them. If he is for change, then why is he using people he supposedly has so little respect for?
Well, that’s just campaign trash talk.
They all do it. They all kiss and make up.
I think that the public was just seriously involved this year and really took everything to heart.
The liberal bloggers are in the same spot. They can’t believe he’d now think she has the experience to be SoS after they so thoroughly agreed that she was “just a wife, for heaven’s sakes, serving tea and cookies.”
LOL*
So yes, we disagree. The politicians aren’t so stupid as to buy into their own campaign negativity.
Neither is Hillary.
Obama isn’t a dummy. He’s not a wacked out leftie. He just used them to get elected.
Whether he really can help, given our dire straits?
Questionable.
AnninCa. It is not trash talk to openly lie about the most contentious issue in America; race. That type of escuse for Obama’s conduct regarding the Clintons is totally unacceptable and he should not be escused but called out on his tactic of smearing the Clintons with the charge of racism. I am an AA female Hillary supporter. Let me tell each of you that many AAs (not me) now believe, falsely, that Bill and Hillary are racists. Obama, Michelle and his campaign deliberately used these tactics to win SC. Before the charges Hillary was leading among AAs 65% and was way ahead in the polls. After the charges her numbers plummented. This was a despicable tactic one that I will always despise Obama for using. I marched with Dr. King during my college years. He would be ashamed and disappointed in Obama especially regarding Bill Clinton. When Hillary refused to defend herself and did not allow Bill to defend himself (Its my campaign were her words) against the racism charge she made a horrible mistake. It emboldened Obama and he realized he could use the tactic with success throughout the primary and GE season.
As far as the Obamas I am pretty sure they are laughing at all of us because you see they think they are smarter than all of you and they detest most white and black people. They laugh at how they “got over” on all of us. HILLARY UNINTENTIONALLY HELPED TO CREATE A MONSTER. SHE SHOULD STAY FAR FAR AWAY FROM HIM.
Artemis March:
What an extraordinary post !! Absolutely brilliant. I agree and feel the same vis a vis HRC choices and situation. And from my heart I always say I want HRC to do what SHE wants to do. And I am at peace with that precisely for the reasons you write about. You write with great eloquence about many truths!!
At the same time, I thank you for our words b/c for the first time since June your piece made me feel hopeful. Hopeful because your words lifted the anguish of feeling crushed and remind me that what should survive is what we believed in during the primaries and empower us to move forward in -yes difficult but- critically important and constructive way, and do you so well say here:
Thank you, thank you!!
I think we can separate fair treatment of Hillary as a human being from criticism of her decisions. I have. I think it is a valid criticism that she did not do more regarding the caucus fraud and other things that turned my vote into an exercise in futility. Did I expect her to leave the party over this? No. I agree, that is not who she is and many of the points made in this article are quite compelling. Am I upset at her? Mixed feelings, but I will get over it. I admire her dedication to our country but am disappointed she was unwilling to address the fraud issues more forcefully. We are not talking about a usual campaign and campaign tactics here. We’ve seen first hand the thuggery employed by her foe in the primary. It is a valid question to ask, should she have done more to protect the ideals and laws of our Republic? She did swear to an oath as a Senator:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
And you should respect in-kind, those of us who questioned her judgment, in light of the very serious nature of what transpired. People should never forget our votes were made meaningless. Hillary is absolutely not responsible for this happening as she was a victim as were her supporters. But I do see a gray area here, one that doesn’t tell me to “get a grip” for having genuine and sincere concerns.
Maybe I am just harping too much on the opening of this article. People are still rightfully so, very sensitive and will be for a while. Maybe a chill pill is more in order than a grip?
I’m sooo getting a crush on you!
“It’s just not who she is.”
That is the point isn’t it? She is a politician first and last; talking out of both sides of mouth. This is turning into a soap opera.
How long will it take for her to decide the SOS spot? Are we supposed to believe that she hasn’t considered this before? If she can’t make up her mind how the hell could she be a good SOS? I don’t ever recall anyone being so indecisive about a cabinet position ever before.
I take it you’re not really following the story.
The soap drama? That’s just the media.
Reminding you, too, the SAME media who quoted a hoax site that Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent.
Only a fool would buy these stories. They are all unattributed to real people. All are just “aides.”
Heck, they could be getting the latest “drama update” from yet another hoax site.
Correct. I’m leaving her alone and wish the MSM would to. Just venting here.
Oops you were not replying to me. Still the same answer.
At this stage, however, it’s also wise to see that her voters DID vote for Obama.
He received 80% of the Democratic vote.
Puma did NOT pan out to be much. In fact, Obama beat McCain on the women’s vote.
It’s actually quite responsible of her to respect the reality, not the minority voice that remains angry.
Assuming those figures are correct, that does not excuse the caucus fraud, DNC/RBC and delegate situation, thus turning my vote into garbage. This was not a clean election. Not even close. I won’t ever let people forget. This is way too serious.
Those figures are correct. Yes, there was some fraud.
There were also entire states where she failed to show up.
Her strategy was flawed. Her message, frankly, tailored to address the “woman” question was just not the right one this year. This was the year of change. She was “out-PR’d,” and that’s OK.
She was, and always will be, the finest presidential candidate in my entire lifetime, including Bill’s candidacy.
But…reality is reality. She lost.
There was more than just “some fraud.” The whole process was gamed and she also faced unprecedented media bias against her. This next president is illegitimate and always will be.
Well, the discussion is regarding women and what they face, I think.
It’s bigger than a bread basket.
Well, I was responding to your assertions.
I know. I’m just mulling over this article, which is interesting, since it includes some other research done on women in politics.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/11/the_glass_ceiling_holds_strong.html
Same tactics, different women, far less “baggage.”
Interesting, huh?
It’s a bit of a standard way to “beat” the woman.
Then I’m lining this up with the people here who DO expect her to be “above” political smarts and sacrifice herself, yadda, yadda.
Heck, I don’t see them even sacrificing themselves over a blog post, never mind something as big as what she’s facing: All chance at future influence.
LOL*
Anyway, it’s an interesting topic.
AnninCA. Why don’t you stop lying on the Puma vote. Early in the process it was around 25%-28%. Thanks to Hillary and Bill they helped Obama whittle it down to about 16%. This was more than enough to beat Obama if the Repubs had not stayed at home as compared to their numbers in 2004. They are the ones who lost the election for Mccain not the PUMAs. Try to comment truthfully for a change then maybe people will take you seriously or just get a life. OBAMA IS A CREEP AND THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE.
Artemis March,
You have somehow managed to turn this into a gender issue. Any male who campaigned so vigorously for Obama after Obama stole a primary would garner the same amount of criticism. The issue was stopping the corrupt and fraudulent campaign of Obama and not the fact that Hillary is a female.
Your whole argument is flawed from the start. It makes Hillary supports sound like cheerleaders which just gives the Obots more ammunition. Hillary is a strong person who should not have to pander to the Obama. It has diminished her in my view. She should stay in the senate and not generate even the appearance of being played like a pawn.
Freethinker,
This is a gender issue because Hillary is a woman operating in a male-dominated world. No matter how strong an individual woman is, she cannot overcome a vastly biased system that favors men. To suggest that a woman can do this is to assume she is some sort of superhero, not a mere mortal.
Good points.
She should do what she feels will allow her to do her best work for the country and the world. period.
Bill will.
So should she.
She has tremendous power. The media nibbles at her, yes. Yes, she lost the election, but he had to downright steal it, and everyone knows it.
Hillary Clinton is a force in this world, nevermind the country.
And I trust she fully grasps this reality.
Thank you, Artemis for a great post on a critically important topic. When I began to see posts scapegoating Hillary for Obama winning the election, it hurt me in a different way than any of the other Hillary-bashing. It hurt me deep in my soul because it made me feel – if we cannot stick together as women, what hope is there for us?
I may not like all the choices Hillary has made, but as a feminist, I respect them. What is feminism if not the right of women to make their own choices? And if we are to give up that right, what is left? A black hole… self-destruction of a movement that could change America, change all of our lives. And that is deeply sad.
After February 5th I said to a friend, either we’re going to get Hillary as the nominee, or, we’re going to get the next wave of the feminist movement.
So, here’s to the next wave, let’s get it going!
I still love Hillary.
But it terms of this essay, I do think you’re holding us to a higher standard than you are Hillary. There are different ways to frame what she has done, of which yours is one. Another way would be to say that she gave in to what the man wanted, is becoming subservient instead of speaking the truth – enabling the man to be propped up.
You are attempting to put a feminist analysis on us, but what different results would you get it you put that same feminist analysis on Hillary herself? I don’t see that as a woman turning on a woman, sorry! To NOT do so is more status quo, I think – women again shutting up and allowing the man to shine.
In other words, I think there are various ways to view what is going on, various ways to react, and it doesn’t equal women turning on each other. Apply your same analysis of us to Hillary, look at this from a different angle…..
I’d love to see her finish out her term as my Senator from NY and then get out of elected office and into the “Clinton Initiative” where Senator Clinton and President Clinton can join forces to continue working with other leaders from all over the world to identify and meet pressing needs in underdeveloped nations. This is good work and it allows them to increasingly extend the reach of the good work.
Looks like we have another day of AnninCA cluttering the board with vacuous platitudes. If you disagree with her she says you are just an angry minority and should submit to her world-view.
AnninCA has fubared this whole site.
Ad hominem attack.
See Susan’s request.
Let’s just talk about the real topic.
Do the women supporting Hillary support Janet for Homeland Security Chief?
If this wasn’t so ridiculous it would be funny. POOR HILLARY–BLAH BLAH BLAH. CRAP! Regardless whatever anyone thinks of Hillary, she is first and foremost a politician. She is for Hillary R. Clinton. Grow up. Get a life. Or don’t, and continue to pity the loser who will never sit behind the big desk in the oval office. It just wasn’t meant to be.
Hillary Clinton is a tidal force of energy in the world, not just the United States.
The fact that Obama is the president doesn’t diminish this in the least.
Never will.
In fact, I think it rather puts the presidency into perspective, which I’ve long thought was over-blown.
She’s the real force.
Why?
I’m not entirely sure I grasp why, but I can see it.
Well, it must be low tide.
Really? I think she’s in the driver’s seat. Bill was touted for a week about being willng to give up donations for his international foundation.
Let’s not forget, this Foundation supports global initiatives that saves real lives all around the world.
He said he’d even let Obama team know where he was expected to speak.
Today’s news? Obama wants to see his speeches?
Omigosh…….that’s so Bushie.
This was a huge, huge, huge error.
Huge.
Hillary is now, absolutely, in the driver’s seat.
If she turns it down, it’ll be because Obama is playing the “Bush” card.
If she takes it, they won.
Check Mate.
What if Hillary quits politics altogether and joins Bill at his foundation? What’ll we do then?
IF YOU ARE THERE, I GIVE UP, CAN’T POST…LET ME KNOW ‘WHAT’S WRONG’ SUS, K?
I just hope Sen Rodham, stay away from this Maquiavel game, ‘this is our country, our great senator Rodham, so…OBLAME…stop with –funny games–this is not the movie!
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“The transition: Hillary and Holder
Posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:29 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008 Clinton, Obama WH Transition
The New York Times writes, “Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has reservations about accepting an appointment as secretary of state in the Obama administration, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton who is familiar with her thinking said on Tuesday. The adviser described Mrs. Clinton as flattered by President-elect Barack Obama’s interest but said she was agonizing over the decision. Mrs. Clinton likes being her own boss and is reluctant to give up the independence that comes with that, said the adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the process was at a delicate stage.”
“‘If you are secretary of state you work for the president,’ the adviser said in an e-mail response to questions from The New York Times. ‘If you are a senator, you work for yourself and the people that elected you.’ It was unclear if Mrs. Clinton’s stated hesitation was part of a bargaining tactic as the Obama team weighs whether to appoint her secretary of state, a genuine moment of indecision or, perhaps, a signal that she was preparing to withdraw from consideration.”
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He said, ‘Don’t you understand the setup has got to be changed a bit? Now, we have got him. We have got the President.’
I said, ‘This great group of soldiers, is to sort of frighten him?’
‘No, no, no; not to frighten him. This is to sustain him when others assault him…. Did it ever occur to you that the President is overwork-ed? We might have an Assistant President…to take the blame; and if things do not work out, he can drop him.’ He [said] that it did not take any Constitutional change to authorize another Cabinet official… to take over the details of the office – take them off the President’s shoulders.
He mentioned the position would be a secretary of general affairs – a sort of super-secretary…. or a secretary of general welfare, I cannot recall which…. They talked about the kind of relief that ought to be given the President. [MacGuire] said: ‘You know the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President’s health is failing. Everybody can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second.’..
There was something said in one of the conversations…that the President’s health was bad, that he might resign, and [Vice President John N.] Garner did not want it anyhow, and then this super-secretary would take the place of the Secretary of State…in the order of succession [and] would become the President. That was the idea. I said, ‘Is there anything stirring about it yet?’
‘Yes,’ he said; ‘you watch; in 2 or 3 weeks you will see it come out in the papers. There will be big fellows in it. This is to be the background of it. These are to be the villagers in the opera. The papers will come out with it.’ He did not give me the name of it, but he said it would all be made public; a society to maintain the Constitution, and so forth.”
As an Indie who supported Hillary during the primaries, a good chunk of me was hoping that she would tell the DNC and BHO to stick it square up their collective asses and walk away – starting a new party. The Centrist Party.
Talking a REAL party with centrist values. Something that makes sense to the middle-of-the-road person such as myself.
No, I don’t see Hill as superwoman. Rather as a super SMART woman. Thus, a super woman in my book. She has the brains, the guts, the determination but moreover – the capacity to see a new party through. She and Bill together should start a new party. Most – not all – who are here are here because they are also middle-of-the-road Americans.
Right now, both parties are scratching their heads (or, their butts) and trying to figure out a way to get those middle-of-the-road voters in 2010/12 and beyond.
If there was ever a moment in time to start a new party, now is it. She could, then, be our president in 2012.
My take? This IS the new centrist party.
LOL*
We got what we wanted.
What a fantastic post! Thank you.
Wonderful post Artemis.
We need to remember so many of the points you made. I also was never mad at Hillary, but mad at the DNC and Obama. And I agree that women need to start standing up for other women. I don’t need to agree with another woman’s position or opinion on issues, but I do agree, and demand, that any women has the same right to her stance on issues as any man would have.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis Sign the Petition : 109,490 Letters and Emails Sent So Far
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: “No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”
There are numerous questions as to Obama’s citizen status raising suspicion and doubt about Obama constitutional qualification to be president. To settle these questions Mr. Obama must produce proof of citizenship!
Documents that must be produced include;
(a) a certified copy of “vault” (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.
It is reasonable that these documents should be produced considering that his father is Kenyan, his adoptive father is Indonesian, and his grandmother claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya. If he is a natural born citizen then producing these documents should not be any problem.
These allegations will not go away until Mr. Obama produces proof to federal authorities and the public. If he will not do so voluntarily he must be compelled by every means available. You, as an employee of The People, have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
We The People are demanding you to make every effort, both public and private, to resolve this fundamental Constitutional question before 20 January.
————————
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
Please take the time to think long and hard about the vote for President. The eviedence as I see it is strong proof that Obama should not be President, he can not legally be so. Until and unless he complies with the lawsuits and submits the required information and it is verified as per the lawsuits. It is hasn’t even been proven that he was vetted by the Democratic Party.
From my research, and the evidence that I have seen on Attny Bergs site, we very well could be in grave danger if Obama is made president. I am not sure we aren’t already being put in jeapordy by the amount of top secret information being given to him at this point.
Another thing you need to consider, if you or I had any association with Bill Ayers, and others that Obama has associated himself with, not to mention his family ties to terrorists in Kenya, (his cousin is up on charges for genecide in regards to terrorist actions) would we get security clearance with the FBI? I don’t think so. So how is it that he has access to all this top secret information?
Something else that you might consider, everytime it looked as if Senator McCain was closing in on Obama in the polls the stock market would gain ground, especially the days prior to and including election day the market was climbing. The day after and ever since the markets have plunged downward. This is an indication that the people are not comfortable with the future of our country with the outcome of the election.
In the past when the election was over the markets pretty much became stable, that is not the case this time. I do believe had the outcome been a McCain/Palin win, we would not be seeing the constant down turn we are seeing now.
There are people like my mom that has 1/2 to 3/4 of their retirement tied up with the stock market. When my dad died, she had no clue about the market, she still doesn’t, she thinks it will recover because it has in the past. She will not live long enough to see it come back. I tried to get her to pull out a long time ago, at least most of it but she thought it was safe because it is where dad put it, but as I explained to her he is not here to control it. If this market keeps going she will be wiped out.
How many other elderly people are in this boat? You have the ability to stop the bleeding if your vote were to go McCain/Palin because America has more faith in that ticket.
There is evidence coming out that a lot of people that voted for Obama did so for other reasons than he is best for the job. Fox News interviewed some people that voted for Obama, when asked about his policies couldn’t tell you one, when asked what they new about McCain/Palin they could tell some of the negative press, when asked what good things Obama would do, they had no answers.
There was a radio personality, Howard Stern, who had someone on his staff go to Harlem to ask people who they were voting for and most said Obama, when asked if it was by race they said no. (This was a test to see how much these people new about the candidate they were voting for.) However, when they were asked about his running mate Sarah Palin they thought she was a great choice, when asked about his policy to stay in Iraq until the job was finished and Iraq is stable, they agreed we must do that. We all know that that Sarah was Senator McCains running mate, and staying in Iraq was Senator McCains plan.
There were people interviewed after Obama rallies and leaving the polling places that were elated because they said they will never have to pay for rent/mortgages, groceries, or gasoline ever again. Did I miss something, I never heard that. Can you imagine the riots that will ensue when these people realized that is not the case. These people will be out for his hide.
I have already hear of people already refusing to pay rent because he won the election on Nov. 4, saying they no longer have to because Obama won.
Something that came out just days before the elections, was a statement from Barnie Frank, saying that when Obama gets in office, all IRA’s, 401K’s and Pensions that are still out there will be mandated to go into the Social Security Fund. If this happens you will have even more of a Riot from those who have these. This is our retirement, we worked hard to earn, and save these benefits and we are suppose to put these into a fund that these people can squander. IRA’s and 40lK’s are basically retirement savings accounts, as such we can make our children beneficiaries of these upon our death. In the SS fund they are lost to our heirs.
One more thing that you should take into consideration. The popular vote that came out in Obamas favor, how much of it was due to illegal votes, voter fraud? I have never seen such nonsense be over looked by the Supreme Court, there were over 30,000 cases in just two counties alone caught before Nov 4 in Indiana, there were over 15,000 and counting in WI when the task force was pulled off the case, we know there was voter fraud in OH that the Supreme Court refused to have cleared up. If you add those numbers up over the number of counties per state, then multiply that by number of states, can you imagine just how many fraudulent votes were in the system.
The Supreme Court already made a decision to ignore our Constitutional Rights, they refused to get to the truth.
I will take it one step further, I saw a video on Fox News where (Sen.) Maxine Waters
(CA) pleading with ACORN, at an ACORN Rally, to make sure Obama wins no matter what they have to do. This adds more doubt to the credibility of the legitimacy of the new voters that voted in this election. We know there were ACORN registration problems in just about every state. Lets not forget that some of these workers were trained by Obama, and his campaign gave them a sustantial payment, purpose is questionable. Until this year I don’t ever recall hearing about this organization.
There is a lot at stake. Your decision is probably the most important one you have made to this point. Our lives, our futures, our retirement savings, our childrens futures, the security of our country, and much more are all in your hands, the vote you are about to make will shape the future of this country. If you make the wrong choice, there may not be anyway to turn it around in 4 years. An election in 4 years may be too late to reverse the damage done. Will you be able to live with yourselves if the evidence that Attorneys of the 70 lawsuits has is in fact the real truth, and you vote for him anyway. We are asking you not to ignore the peoples plea to do the right thing, protect us and our Constitution.
I would ask that you take time to read the eveidence in Bergs case at obamacrimes.com, a part of that is about the Constitution and the ramifications if the person elected to office that is not an Natural American Citizen. The part where he would not be eligiable to be Commander in Chief, that the military taking orders from him could be brought up on war crimes. There are other very important problems that would also arise.
this is an outrage i cant even find ajob as a truck driver because of a minor accident in my past records and this fraud obama is president elect whos in charge of checking backrounds for the highest office in the land this is a conspiracy to get him in evil forces are at work wake up america!
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
AS WELL CONTRACT YOUR ELECTROL VOITES COLLEGES AND ASK THEN NOT DO A THING TILL Barack M H Obama shows the documents and let them no court cases are pending
You are off topic… Please move this to an open thread !!
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
Stop the Obama Constitutional Crisis Sign the Petition : 109,490 Letters and Emails Sent So Far
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: “No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”
There are numerous questions as to Obama’s citizen status raising suspicion and doubt about Obama constitutional qualification to be president. To settle these questions Mr. Obama must produce proof of citizenship!
Documents that must be produced include;
(a) a certified copy of “vault” (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.
It is reasonable that these documents should be produced considering that his father is Kenyan, his adoptive father is Indonesian, and his grandmother claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya. If he is a natural born citizen then producing these documents should not be any problem.
These allegations will not go away until Mr. Obama produces proof to federal authorities and the public. If he will not do so voluntarily he must be compelled by every means available. You, as an employee of The People, have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
We The People are demanding you to make every effort, both public and private, to resolve this fundamental Constitutional question before 20 January.
————————
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
Please take the time to think long and hard about the vote for President. The eviedence as I see it is strong proof that Obama should not be President, he can not legally be so. Until and unless he complies with the lawsuits and submits the required information and it is verified as per the lawsuits. It is hasn’t even been proven that he was vetted by the Democratic Party.
From my research, and the evidence that I have seen on Attny Bergs site, we very well could be in grave danger if Obama is made president. I am not sure we aren’t already being put in jeapordy by the amount of top secret information being given to him at this point.
Another thing you need to consider, if you or I had any association with Bill Ayers, and others that Obama has associated himself with, not to mention his family ties to terrorists in Kenya, (his cousin is up on charges for genecide in regards to terrorist actions) would we get security clearance with the FBI? I don’t think so. So how is it that he has access to all this top secret information?
Something else that you might consider, everytime it looked as if Senator McCain was closing in on Obama in the polls the stock market would gain ground, especially the days prior to and including election day the market was climbing. The day after and ever since the markets have plunged downward. This is an indication that the people are not comfortable with the future of our country with the outcome of the election.
In the past when the election was over the markets pretty much became stable, that is not the case this time. I do believe had the outcome been a McCain/Palin win, we would not be seeing the constant down turn we are seeing now.
There are people like my mom that has 1/2 to 3/4 of their retirement tied up with the stock market. When my dad died, she had no clue about the market, she still doesn’t, she thinks it will recover because it has in the past. She will not live long enough to see it come back. I tried to get her to pull out a long time ago, at least most of it but she thought it was safe because it is where dad put it, but as I explained to her he is not here to control it. If this market keeps going she will be wiped out.
How many other elderly people are in this boat? You have the ability to stop the bleeding if your vote were to go McCain/Palin because America has more faith in that ticket.
There is evidence coming out that a lot of people that voted for Obama did so for other reasons than he is best for the job. Fox News interviewed some people that voted for Obama, when asked about his policies couldn’t tell you one, when asked what they new about McCain/Palin they could tell some of the negative press, when asked what good things Obama would do, they had no answers.
There was a radio personality, Howard Stern, who had someone on his staff go to Harlem to ask people who they were voting for and most said Obama, when asked if it was by race they said no. (This was a test to see how much these people new about the candidate they were voting for.) However, when they were asked about his running mate Sarah Palin they thought she was a great choice, when asked about his policy to stay in Iraq until the job was finished and Iraq is stable, they agreed we must do that. We all know that that Sarah was Senator McCains running mate, and staying in Iraq was Senator McCains plan.
There were people interviewed after Obama rallies and leaving the polling places that were elated because they said they will never have to pay for rent/mortgages, groceries, or gasoline ever again. Did I miss something, I never heard that. Can you imagine the riots that will ensue when these people realized that is not the case. These people will be out for his hide.
I have already hear of people already refusing to pay rent because he won the election on Nov. 4, saying they no longer have to because Obama won.
Something that came out just days before the elections, was a statement from Barnie Frank, saying that when Obama gets in office, all IRA’s, 401K’s and Pensions that are still out there will be mandated to go into the Social Security Fund. If this happens you will have even more of a Riot from those who have these. This is our retirement, we worked hard to earn, and save these benefits and we are suppose to put these into a fund that these people can squander. IRA’s and 40lK’s are basically retirement savings accounts, as such we can make our children beneficiaries of these upon our death. In the SS fund they are lost to our heirs.
One more thing that you should take into consideration. The popular vote that came out in Obamas favor, how much of it was due to illegal votes, voter fraud? I have never seen such nonsense be over looked by the Supreme Court, there were over 30,000 cases in just two counties alone caught before Nov 4 in Indiana, there were over 15,000 and counting in WI when the task force was pulled off the case, we know there was voter fraud in OH that the Supreme Court refused to have cleared up. If you add those numbers up over the number of counties per state, then multiply that by number of states, can you imagine just how many fraudulent votes were in the system.
The Supreme Court already made a decision to ignore our Constitutional Rights, they refused to get to the truth.
I will take it one step further, I saw a video on Fox News where (Sen.) Maxine Waters
(CA) pleading with ACORN, at an ACORN Rally, to make sure Obama wins no matter what they have to do. This adds more doubt to the credibility of the legitimacy of the new voters that voted in this election. We know there were ACORN registration problems in just about every state. Lets not forget that some of these workers were trained by Obama, and his campaign gave them a sustantial payment, purpose is questionable. Until this year I don’t ever recall hearing about this organization.
There is a lot at stake. Your decision is probably the most important one you have made to this point. Our lives, our futures, our retirement savings, our childrens futures, the security of our country, and much more are all in your hands, the vote you are about to make will shape the future of this country. If you make the wrong choice, there may not be anyway to turn it around in 4 years. An election in 4 years may be too late to reverse the damage done. Will you be able to live with yourselves if the evidence that Attorneys of the 70 lawsuits has is in fact the real truth, and you vote for him anyway. We are asking you not to ignore the peoples plea to do the right thing, protect us and our Constitution.
I would ask that you take time to read the eveidence in Bergs case at obamacrimes.com, a part of that is about the Constitution and the ramifications if the person elected to office that is not an Natural American Citizen. The part where he would not be eligiable to be Commander in Chief, that the military taking orders from him could be brought up on war crimes. There are other very important problems that would also arise.
this is an outrage i cant even find ajob as a truck driver because of a minor accident in my past records and this fraud obama is president elect whos in charge of checking backrounds for the highest office in the land this is a conspiracy to get him in evil forces are at work wake up america!
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
AS WELL CONTRACT YOUR ELECTROL VOTES COLLEGES AND ASK THEN NOT DO A THING TILL Barack M H Obama shows the documents and let them no court cases are pending
Thank you for your very thoughtful post!
Some portions I agree with, some I disagree.
The “truth based” narrative you mention lies with each individual.
My support for Senator Clinton was based on her experience and knowledge of issues, and her absolute devotion to hard work!
However, she does not belong on a pedastal, and should not be viewed through rose-colored lenses!
She can choose to support the “O”…I do not, will not! That puts me on the other side!
You guys are really quite the bunch of…curiosities.
I hope Clinton takes the SoS job because she is extremely well qualified, and because it allows Obama to neutralize her as an opponent in 2012. And I can’t wait for her to overreach so the MSM can take her to task for forgetting that we have one president at a time.
It’s gonna be fun, folks. This kind of fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv7K8S4kGQM
Good post–a lot worth considering!
Thank you Artemis for this. You are right and you say it so eloquently too.
I am not so eloquent but all I can say is that the people having a go at Hillary for keeping the promise of her campaign to support the winner make me feel sick. They’re supposed to be her supporters, yet they fell at the first hurdle and took the opportunity to attack rather than support her.
I think a lot of people have no understanding of how misogyny and sexism work against women. Hillary was cheated from the nomination, her power stolen from her by huge and malevolent forces, yet she’s supposed to be a one woman crusade against them. Men won’t let women win: people seem to have a really hard time acknowledging that despite all the mountains of evidence we saw throughout the election.
Hillary at the start of her career decided that being an insider and working on change from within would be her approach in her political career and she’s done it masterfully. There would be no sense in changing that tactic now to appease a few naive people – she’d be left with no career whatsoever. I’m just praying now that she manages to avoid Obama’s SOS trap – the length of time it is taking to announce it makes me think she is working on it at least.
I worshipped the ground she walked on and was blogging for her for over two years. And, now I see what my republican friends were warning me about. I was blind to her ambitious ways. She screwed up her entire life, and if sec of state is what she has amounted to, the water pitcher gal for Obama, like Condi is to Bush, then let her have the job. After Obama loses in 2012, I believe by then the koolaid kids will finally get the real news from the media, Hillary will have to go back to her little job wiping her husband’s cheating butte at home. Simple as that. Don’t like what I said, well, too bad. I am over her. My admiration is long gone! There is another new gal in town and she talks straight to the american people, not out of two side of the mouth!
Soilder of christ I believe you are an imposter and i hope you are caught by the owner of this site.
dont worry folks, the Obama gleam will wear off in time I think.
great post re criticisms of Hillary. Have to admit I got a little testy during the ge and couldnt bear hearing or seeing Hill stump for him. But you are so right about impossible expectations and leveling criticisms at other women, as if they should be held to a different, more stringent standard than men.
I cant help but feel hopeful that Hillary might accept SOS, she deserves a position of that stature. Go Hillary!
Thanks for the great post Artemis.
When she would stump for BHO, I just couldn’t even watch; I was so angry that we were cheated of the only real candidate of a major party.
Any of her former supporters who voted McCain and spewed venom at Clinton for stumping for BHO: McCain stumped for Bushie TWICE.
Bite me.
Artemis, thank you for speaking up and voicing thoughts I have had for a long time. You couldn’t speak more truly!
Arienrod