Joe The Plumber * Open Thread
By SusanUnPC on November 22, 2008 at 6:20 AM in Joe The Plumber, Minnesota, Open Thread
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“Fairly severe?” Give me a break. She should be fired.
And, Al Franken …
There’s NO doubt about that ballot. Honest to god.
It’s rude to waste people’s time examining a ballot like that. The voter’s intent is utterly clear.
The info about Mr. Gore is interesting, eh?
And what else is going on in the world?
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I’m still trying to figure out if the Clinton SoS is a done deal or not. I swear, after all the news and specualtion about her as VP, I won’t truly believe it until I see it.
Did you see the movie The Day After Tomorrow? It was about global warming, but the earth froze. Doubters get so hung up on the term *warming*. But isn’t it the warming, melting of the ice caps that will cause the freezing? And just because it is cold outside, isn’t it true that the ice caps are melting?
Sara, I suspect that Hillary Clinton supported Obama in the election because there was an agreement with Obama that she would be offered a significant position in his administration should he win.
So in principle I believe this was a done deal some time ago with final details to be worked out.
I think the way it’s playing out now in the media is to manage the perception of supporters of both HRC and Obama.
Yeah, they have been melting since the ice age. It’s called climate change. It isn’t manmade global warming.
obama gonna pay my house off when he take over.
ONLY after his house is paid off. And then the homes of his bestest friends — oh and he’s got to buy another house, a summer home. And all those people who gave him money — yep they will want their pay off. You’re probably 10 billion people down the list on people he owes favors to.
I’ll bet you are so thrilled to help him pay off his home and buy that summer home Mrs. 0 has her eyes on — like in Aruba (that would be his winter home, oops).
He goin’ pay my house and car and buy food and gas up my big honkin’ SUV.
As that Danish scientist, Bjorn Lomborg, says, all global warming effects are not bad. It’s -40 right now in central Alaska, and a little global warming would feel pretty good.
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Rove’s legacy assured: The Political Office stays in the White House
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/roves-legacy-safe-political-office-stays-in-the-white-house/
It is amazing that Joes and Janes are horrified that 0bama’s telephone records were breached but don’t seem to mind that one of their own was scruitinized illegally by officials of a state government.
Since it is my state, I have sent a letter to Strickland and will campaign for the candidate who runs against him. You either uphold the law or you don’t. Enough. What Jones-Kelley did wasn’t merely “bone headed.” They were all warned NOT to use government computers for purposes of campaigning for ANY CANDIDATE. She.crossed.the.line.
That seems to be the stock Obama excuse: “boneheaded.” His deal with Rezko was also “boneheaded.” How about unethical or illegal? They try to make it sound just like some teenage prank gone wrong.
yep…no one is responsible for poor judgment, breaking the law, or violating standard operating procedure.
“ooops….sorry, what a bonehead I am!!” that’s the catch all get of jail card. mother effers…..
I’m disgusted the msm just looks the other way.
beebop: you’re doing the right thing: don’t forget who the perpetrators of the fraud are & run hard against them at the next election.
CHeck out Joe the Plumber new website. He is relseasing a book soon. http://www.secureourdream.org
Also http://www.secureourdream.com
I wish him well in his pursuit to fight for privacy rights for all Americans
Kewl! Love Joe! Thanks!
I had an interesting conversation with an office mate last night. She was an HRC supporter, and did not like Obama, but when he stole the nomination, she was one of the “there’s nowhere else to go” people. To her, ALL Republicans are evil monsters. She believed McCain was Bush III, and Palin made her foam at the mouth (even though she’s a 53 yr. old, well-educated “feminist” with her own business, and is raising 4 kids on her own). Last night, en route to dinner, I had to listen to her talk about a special she saw with Bill Ayers this week. She said he was extremely thoughtful and intelligent, and he explained his past activity, and they “never meant to hurt anyone–it was the context of the times, and the government wasn’t listening.” When I pointed out that they bombed the Capitol and police headquarters, she said, he explained that they did not intend harm and “it was only a stick of dynamite.”
How do you talk to these people? The Weather Underground MURDERED police officers. That’s why he went into hiding for 10 years, until he got off on a technicality. At what point is someone accountable for their actions? I am continually amazed by how people only see through their own rigid screen of biases and bigotry. She WANTS to believe he’s a nice guy, and the media is now giving him a forum to rehabilitate himself–and that bad, bad man McCain was just spewing hate and fear. You cannot reason with this mindset. They do not want logic or facts, and it’s frightening. The same sinister motives are projected on to everything the Clintons do, and conversely, Obama can do NO wrong. It’s irrelevant that he’s lied about every one of these associations, and the presidency gives him full executive power without knowing what he really thinks.
How do you talk to these people?
You don’t. You don’t even try. You seek out the people who, like you see the truth and pray that the 0bamabutts are so dismayed in four years that they don’t vote. I suggest it won’t even take four years. And that is just one more reason HRC needs to be far away. hmmmmmm. Maybe she intends to get fired by him?
Fif, you’ve actually got it a bit wrong. First off, I can’t stand Obama. He’s a sleazy Chicago pol who gamed the system with the partnership of the DNC to steal the nomination from Hillary. That being said, I actually respect what the Weather Underground tried to do during the corrupt Johnson-Nixon years. They always called ahead of their bombing targets so those areas could be cleared so there were no innocent people injured, and there weren’t. The problem I have with Ayers is with the Annenburg project, where they took millions of dollars of tax-payer money and shuttled it to Marxist (there’s that word again!) school groups and efforts. These are the kind of people who do not like America, and Obama was in deep with them. THAT should have been the entire focus of attacks on Obama: What is his thinking REALLY!?!?! It will continue to be an issue with him, despite all the glorious press coverage he still gets. By the way, I still hold out hope that on Dec 1 the judge hearing the case regarding his birth certificate will demand it be produced (it has not yet, despite the lies you hear) will see it and declare Obama’s candidacy unconstitutional due to his Kenyan birth. Joe Biden will then be POTUS. Then we can get on to solving the country’s problems.
LMAO
I”m sorry I couldn’t read a damn word AFTER you said
“they called ahead”
ROFLMAO
like that is some friggen excuse????
no wonder the left and right are sooooooooooo far apart in some places
if you say foolish things like that no one will ever read you!! or finish reading you, least not me.
You got further than me … I stopped at respect for the Weather Underground.
I guess terrorism is okay as long as you call to warn people first.
This pretzel “logic” is really too much!
Trixta, beebop, Dawnelle. During the 1965-1975 years we were losing THOUSANDS of our young men killed in what everyone knew was a completely corrupt enterprise in Vietnam. The right wing posturing of ‘We were fighting communists’ was a bunch of bull cover story and EVERYONE knew it! We did not have to be there. The Weather Underground were made up of very young (early 20’s) mostly affluent Americans who could have easily cashed in and ignored it all. But they couldn’t because they loved their country too much to sit by and watch the system eat our young. So they led a life of deprivation by choice and took great personal risks to try something ANYTHING to draw attention to the outrage of Vietnam. Get and watch the documentary about them. They split up when the war ended. Also, Obama is a sleaze who I don’t trust at all.
You know Bush got a briefing entitled Osama wants to strike inside the US. Looks like Osama “called ahead”.
I guess Charles Manson is ok with you too? He was against society. They were around the same time yelling “kill pigs” too. Let’s let Charles out & give him a teaching job.
Their tatics were terroristic. Why can’t you find someone like MLK to repsect during those times? Who used words, not bombs.
They ruined property, they killed people, they intended to kill people at the military dance. They didn’t care about human casualties. I guess a bomb in the women’s restroom of the pentagon is no big deal to you. Cause you KNOW they made sure no one would be hurt – with all their security clearances and all.
Yeah, like those corrupt cops and their domino theory about South East Asia. Ayers and his ilk had to stop them by blowing up cop shops. Or that judge that had his home and family fire bombed by those miscreants. The family survived because a brave neighbor was able to keep a car behind the house from catching fire and blocking the family’s escape route.
Ayers was and is a snot nosed punk.
avwrobel said~ “I actually respect what the Weather Underground tried to do during the corrupt Johnson-Nixon years.”
I cannot imagine why you would “respect” planning the murder of 25 million Americans.
eeliewyatt – thanks for posting that interview from Larry Grathwohl. I had not seen that before and it only deepens my contempt for those in the media who are attempting to show a kinder, gentler portrait of Ayers & Dohrn. The details of their past are not addressed in these TV interviews. People need to know who these people really are.
Here is the video of Larry Grathwohl (it has been removed from the location of many links, but is still here).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
Elliewyatt, I hadn’t seen this before but it doesn’t surprise me.
I had a lot of respect for SDS back in the day and would have joined the local chapter in 1965 if it hadn’t been headed by a camo-wearing, revolution-spouting Che Guevara wannabe with ‘way more testosterone than brains, and no political smarts whatsoever. (I’m sure he later went with the WU when they broke from, and destroyed, SDS.)
By 1970 I was living and working in NYC, and encountered some Weathermen at the big demonstration in D.C. the weekend after Kent State. Of course they were doing their best to give Tricky an excuse to unleash the troops’n'tanks he had stashed all over the city, but wiser and cooler heads prevailed–we were continually reminded that anyone trying to stir up serious trouble was just as liable to be FBI as WU, or both.
A month later, when Diana Oughten et. al. blew themselves up in a townhouse not far from my West Village digs, all I remember thinking was “serves ‘em right.”
(Mind you, I did kinda like Bernardine Dorhn–she was very beautiful and not afraid to flaunt it, which was a refreshing change from the Puritanical plainness that was de rigeur with most of the hard Left– until she shot off her mouth about the Manson murders and how “cool” the killers were.)
Point being, anyone who claims to have any respect or sympathy for the WU is a mushheaded, uninformed, sentimental jackass. The typical “liberal” Obot, in other words.
And BTW I’ve heartily disliked the very sanctimonious, holier-than-thou Amy Goodman (Democracy Now) for years now, but never more than a week or two ago, when she interviewed Dohrn and Ayers and let them get by with lie after lie about their activities and intentions as Weathermen, their association with Obama, what Billy really meant when he said he didn’t think he’d done enough bombing and hinted that he might be open to doing more (interview published in the NYT 9/ll/01).
Finally, getting back to the point of Ellie’s post, it does not surprise me in the least that the WU could seriously contemplate exterminating 25 million Americans. That should surprise no one who remembers Pol Pot in Cambodia–or was it Mao in China? or both??–executing anyone who WORE GLASSES because that person was, ipso facto, an elite intellectual and therefore an enemy of the people.
Ayers in his own words:
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
Anybody know if Tony Rezko has clammed up now that his good buddy has gotten into the White House?
How about we start a pool on how many days Patrick Fitzgerald keeps his job after Obama’s inauguration?
Fitz is going to get a GREAT job. One that puts him far away from seeking justice.
avwrobel–Maybe you don’t know some of the specifics from Ayers & Dohrn. Here are a few that MIGHT change your mind:
In a speech given to SDS members, Bernadine Dohrn said: “Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach.”
Or how about when Dohrn penned the following lyrics when a Chicago Democratic official, Richard Elrod, became paralyzed? Elrod’s paralysis resulted from an encounter with the Weathermen. (Dohrn’s song is to be sung to the tune of Bob Dylan’s “Lay Lady Lay”)
Lay, Elrod, lay,
Lay in the street for a while
Stay, Elrod, stay
Stay in your bed for a while
You thought you could stop the Weatherman
But up-front people put you on your can,
Stay, Elrod, stay
Stay in your iron lung,
Play, Elrod, play
Play with your toes for a while…
Or Bill Ayers’ famous words: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents. That’s where it is really at.” Does that sound like a pacifist or an anti-war statement?
Do you still “actually respect what the Weather Underground tried to do during the corrupt Johnson-Nixon years?” I think Ayers & Dohrn used the war as an excuse to commit acts of rage. If there hadn’t been a war, they’d probably have protested corporate greed, capitalism in general, anything they could latch on to, illustrating the anarchist Mikhail Bakunin’s belief that- “The passion for destruction is also a creative passion.”
Have You Heard This? Kenyan Ambassador Says Obama’s Birthplace in KENYA is “An Attraction…Already Well-Known” (WRIF Radio, Detroit)
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?cat=9
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ