Look What Crawled Out from Under the Rock (and how to stomp on it…)
By Pat Racimora on November 22, 2008 at 12:55 AM in Barack Obama, Misogyny, Sexism
(bumped up by NoQuarter from Friday morning)
2008 is the Year of the Woman. So, how is that turning out? Not so well, unless, as Marie Cocco put it, you consider becoming an object of national ridicule to be a symbol of advancement.
Great articles have already been posted on No Quarter about sexism and misogyny and how the candidacies of Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin revealed hideous examples of what we had long assumed would be met with harsh condemnation. But, what crawled out from under the rock is alive and well—and shameless. The media fed it until it became beefy and gigantic.
But everyone can take action NOW. There is something really easy that we all concerned women and men can do, and it starts at the highest level of government. It costs nothing except for one minute of your time.
Two very fine groups, (I know some of those involved, and vouch for them 100%) are involving organizations and blogs all over the country to establish a Presidential Commission on Women. The Campaign for Gender Equality realized back in July that a Presidential Commission was the place to start and partnered with WomenCount , a group of highly talented women that early on supported Hillary Clinton. Together these first-rate groups are making Herculean efforts to get signatures—20 million would be nice—of women and men who were appalled by what slithered out from under the rock.
But, isn’t that just another do-nothing committee, you ask? Not at all. According to
The Campaign for Gender Equality, past commissions have provided the basis for legislative and administrative reform as well as affecting the very social climate itself via their sometimes forceful role as public educators. They can promote redefinition of critical social and political issues, increase awareness, lend legitimacy to previously marginal points of view, and actually inspire the national conscience.
Please ask President-Elect Obama to establish a Commission on Women to address gender issues as an early goal. In the end, women came though for Obama. He must now be encouraged to come through for women.
Go to petition (with more info) HERE. Please also share this information to your like-minded friends.
Thanks!
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Petitioning Obama for ANYthing is a bloody waste of time and energy. He’s not there for us, he’s there for himself.
Islander , I respectfully disagree. These petitions have proven efficacious in the past, and if enuogh people sign it things something WILL be done. These two excellent groups will not be going aweay anytime soon. They are committed–that is why I chose to support them!
Pat,
I respectfully disagree with you on this one. Asking Obama to do this is like asking the fox to take care of the hens. Ain’t gonna happen!
But we have to try Clairtx–I have lived long enough to see a few miracles–especially when some heavy pressure is applied.
These two groups are not going to give up. VERY high powered and very well connected. They just need our support.
and this is why women are still treated the way they are. many just say, *it’s no use*.
meanwhile activists for african americans and gays, and hispanics are out in full force, fighting, and suing, and winning.
i think passive resistance is as effective as “fighting.” women should simply refuse to support, associate, or do business with sexists, male or female. let some of these guys find out that they will *never* get a date, will not have female customers, employees, friends, etc., and they will start to rethink their behavior.
i don’t mean take aggressive means, i mean just take action. my point was the comment above, when someone said *it won’t do any good*. it seems like women are most likely to not bother, where as other minority groups act.
One word: Lysistrata
It has been 47 years since women’s issues had a fair shot, and while I agree that Obama is to women’s rights as Sharia Law (since he campaign with his cousin Odinga who singned onto Sharia Law), we must let the WORLD KNOW that we will not be silenced.
I singed the petition, because I refuse to lay down and die. I would rather die speaking my mind and leaving my mark. NO I WON’T GO QUIETLY INTO The Night…so someone once said and I whole heartedly agree.
Me too!!
Thank You Andy! Real men aren’t afraid of women or of women having equality. Love a man that knows that, and that to me is the real charm of manhood. Thank you.
I signed it also. Men should be happy to sign it after what was done to Hillary by the media.
History shows some major changes spurred by Presidential Commissions (which the President authorises but does not control BTW).
International women’s day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW0Ls2Ep6F8&feature=related
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Thanks Rich, this songs sings about the ‘BROTHERS’ too…your support is necessary to have healthy societies and true freedoms for all. Hand in hand is how we will overcome this darkness (misogyny) which was sanctioned in this election cycle.
Hillary : We’ve Come a Long Way, Baby! (Read “More Info”)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8&feature=related
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Will I celebrate when he is sworn into office? NO! I will wait for Ford to be elected as VP or as POTUS…even if I am not here to see it. Women, have been set back years, and I can’t celebrate that! Women are the backbone of society and if we can’t support ‘Women’s Rights as Human Rights’ than what does that say about the USA?!?
Your comment made me wonder what progress Hillary might make re: “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” around the world in the role of Sec of State…
islander: I adisagree too. Nothing will change until the playing field is leveled and the MSM is forced to watch out and be careful on how the present anything. These petitions by serious groups if strong enough will be covered and our message on these topics heard.
What happened was so debasing so horrible that we need all to pull together and try to make an effort to change it.
This is not about BO. It is about the process that took place and how it went down. BO got away b/c the MSM and women groups such as NARAL, NOW, etc played
the male-mentality get along.
Besides, it’ll take 1 minute: not much time; less energy that writing a comment here: what do you have to lose?
Please help.
islander: I disagree too. Nothing will change until the playing field is leveled and the MSM is forced to watch out and be careful on how the present anything. These petitions by serious groups if strong enough will be covered and our message on these topics heard.
What happened was so debasing so horrible that we need all to pull together and try to make an effort to change it.
This is not about BO. It is about the process that took place and how it went down. BO got away b/c the MSM and women groups such as NARAL, NOW, etc played
the male-mentality get along.
Besides, it’ll take 1 minute: not much time; less energy that writing a comment here: what do you have to lose?
Please help.
I hope you are wrong, Islander. It is a very good petition, and Commssions is the past have done a lot of good.
As the Year of the Woman draws to its sad close, signing this petition is the very least I can do.
we have to do more than a petition. when crackle and oboreman start frothing at the mouth uttering their foul, vile gibberish, women need to be out “in force” and I mean by the thousands, protesting outside the msnbc studios all around the nation…not just a smattering of a few women with cards. we need to show our numbers. we also need to hurt their advertisers in their pocketbook. any ideas on how we can truly cut sales for these folks or other hard line tactics would be welcome.
Expecting Barack Obama to do something about misogyny is like expecting Antoin Rezko to provide great housing. Ain’t happening.
The press DIED in 2008 and MISOGYNY was used as a weapon of choice by the ‘progressives’ on a woman in their own party (Senator Hillary Clinton) and on Governor Palin. Women have been set back years and we will see less women daring to run for office.
We can thank Pelosi (’I will put a stop to this’…calling for Senator Clinton to drop out of the primaries), Dean (stood silent as the Chairman of the party), Donna Brazile (sat silent as Senator Hillary Clinton was called a ‘WHITE BITCH’ and helped to rig the RBC outcome), Axelrod (who blamed Senator Hillary Clinton for even Bhutto’s assignation and unleashed the misogyny in the campaign) and Barrack Obama (who out in the open said things that any other politician would have to have apologies for, and he never has) and Michelle Obama (diminishing and laying blame for how Senator Hillary Clinton couldn’t run her ‘house’…using the oldest sexism in the book).
The misogyny unleashed on Palin came faster and quicker and both Senator Hillary Clinton and Governor Palin are still under attack today. FOR WHAT? FOR DARING TO RUN…EVEN THIRD WORLD NATIONS HAVE MORE TACT AND DON’T ATTACK WOMEN IN THIS FASHION…OUT IN THE OPEN.
ONCE UNLEASHED IT CAN’T BE STOPPED, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS DONE AND SANCTIONED BY THOSE WHO ARE GLORIFIED!
And now all those people were rewarded for it!
Nice going voters of Dumbmerica.
any woman who was a Clinton supporter and went for this should lose their rights as citizens because they proved they want that!
Let me see if I understand this correctly:
You want us to petition a guy who never acknowledged the misogny coming from him, his campaign and his supporters?
Fuck that!
I’m not asking 0bama for anything and that includes AA issues. I want to give him all the space to be the prick I know him to be.
If women want to do real good, they’ll start putting pressure on the entertainment industry, the msm, advertisers and pressure them to provide a fair balance to the images of women. And I don’t mean from that failed feminist standpoint that would have women eschew their sexuality, femininity and beauty along with their desire for male companionship. I’m talking about showing more than sexualized/objectified starlets with tits and ass.
I don’t need the government to pay for a Commission to find out what I already know.
If women want change it’s going to have to begin with them. I learned my lesson the last time out. The idea that you can change the hearts and minds of men and their anti-woman attitudes based on government input is ludicrous.
We wouldn’t be even having this conversation if the women across America had been on the same page.
Hillary would be POTUS! Do the friggin math.
Take if from a ‘been there/done that’ woman.
It’s time for the female community to address their own gender issues.
I mean, didn’t you learn anything from the show of unity in the AA community this election cycle?
If women want gender parity, we have to clean our own house first.
Can’t disagree with your basic ideas and concerns Mimi, BUT at the VERY least Presidential Comissions shine a very bright light on inequities. Even if you think of a commission as merely an advertisement (and that is unfair since many of them have spear-headed substantial changes), it is very cost-effective.
Helping out here takes only a minute–and then those with time and energy can go on and do more of what you suggest.
Fair enough Pat.
But I just don’t see going down the same path of finger-pointing men exclusively.
Remember Emily’s List?
A lot of women sold their souls to 0bama not only in the face of misogyny coming from men, WOMEN PARTICIPATED IN IT!
Look, I don’t want to be overbearing about this, but it’s time to let go that ‘don’t blame the victim’ consciousness. Everything isn’t a man’s fault. This was the failure of the Movement, looking to ascribe everything to the patriarchy. Women have some serious self-analysis to do. I’d like to hear from women who saw no misogyny. I’d like to hear what they’re seeing that I’m not.
There were no victims this election cycle. Women didn’t sleep with the enemy, they were the enemy.
This is why I don’t want to petition anything from 0bama. Let’s see what he does. It’s a tough love moment now.
But if we want action, there are other ways to direct our energy and I think putting pressure on the industry who helps form some of the pervasively negative anti-women attitudes is a better start.
Emily’s list got on board the misogyny train because George Soros (a man in case anybody didn’t notice) gave them a huuuge donation. Same thing with NARAL. Money equals influence.
Soros has bought out a number of feminist organisations, another one is the Feminist Majority Foundation, in order to pursue his masculinist anti-woman agenda.
As usual though it’s women that get the blame. Point it where it belongs and things might finally start to change.
Sorry, but I don’t see it that way.
They took the money.
Tell me, would you feel kindly about any Jews who took Nazi money?
I certainly don’t harbor good feelings about the Africans who helped capture other Africans for the slave trade.
They sold out and they should be blamed.
The victim consciousness has gotten us absolutely NOWHERE. There are a lot of women in power now. Look at what Lynn Rothschild did.
And Emily’s List lost a lot of donors. Having worked in non profit, I wonder how in the long run, when the Soros money dries up (and it will), how’s that going to fare with them?
But what were the excuses of all the women who went over to 0bama that didn’t receive Soros money?
Oh I guess they’re victims, too.
This is why no one takes women seriously.
Time to own your own bullshit.
Yep, Mimi. I wonder if NOW took money from Soros as well. What a bitter pill that would be to me personally.
You are right Mimi–Hearing women bash women for other than differences in opinion on policies and beliefs was painful beyond belief.
I don’t agree with most of what Sarah Palin proffers, BUT I was sick when I saw the Sarah sex blow-up doll. I was outraged when NARAL endorsed Obama before the primaries were even close to being over, especially when one looked at Hillary’s record on women and pro choice compared to Obamas.
Women-on-women bashing is yet another topic I would like to hear what experts have to suggest. First I would like to understand it! The social psychologists probably have some good thoughts.
Does Soros giving NARAL and Emily’s List huge donations and thus being able to basically set their agenda give you any clues Pat?
You don’t need a psychologist to tell you that money talks.
The saddest thing was looking at the list of Emily’s List press releases on their website. Article after article of them supporting liberal pro-choice women into power or reports of them getting elected and then, bam!, “vote for Obama/Biden” despite their remit to get women elected. It was tragic.
Women going after women is called horizontal hostility, it’s something the women’s movement has always been aware of. It doesn’t help to focus too much on it though, because as usual it helps the real abusers of power, the men who it benefits, escape from notice or censure.
“Women going after women is called horizontal hostility, it’s something the women’s movement has always been aware of. It doesn’t help to focus too much on it though,”
Oh really?
Feminist Ideology 101:
It’s only and always the abusers, the Patriarchy and men’s fault.
Excuse me that is so yesterday. Maybe part of the reason we are still having so many problems is because we haven’t focused on it or at the very least address it.
Back in the 60s women could get away with that. But not now. There are women power brokers.
In fact, all of these organizations that jumped ship, considering how tight the Primary was at the end, could have really been major power-brokers in the election if they had not broken ranks.
That women like you don’t see it this way, is part of the perpetual problem.
“…the men who it benefits, escape from notice or censure.”
That’s because men stick together!
A lot of women sold their souls to 0bama not only in the face of misogyny coming from men, WOMEN PARTICIPATED IN IT!
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Yup, makes you want to shake your head and wonder if they know they are women too and that the same misogyny will be used on them…it’s only a matter of time…
Very sad indeed.
I agree. I cannot believe how many women that have shared my equality views jumped on board to trash Hillary and Sarah. It is jaw dropping. I signed the petition. It is time women stand together and demand equal recognition, representation and value.
P.S. I have been an avid ready of NQ since February 5 when I discovered that Obama was not who he appeared to be. I have never posted before but reading NQ is now part of my daily ritual. Thank you.
I think many younger women didn’t recognize the sexism because they haven’t experienced it (as much) first hand. Many of us who are over 40 remember what it’s like to be told that “girls can’t do this and that.” Besides, the younger women (not all– not into streotyping here) but many, aren’t always clear about who they are and still tend to look for approval from men. Society and Hollywood still make young women feel that they have to have a certain “look” to be attractive to men. That’s why so many young women suffer from eating disorders. But that “look” also requires a certain mindset, and I think too many young women are still too willing to play by the male rules to get ahead because they don’t want to sit home on a Friday night, and haven’t learned that life isn’t about impressing men. Again, not all. I’ve met many young, brilliant women on this site and others, but we know this is all too true.
The older women who participated in the bashing are who really burn me. I would have thought that even hard-core Obama supporters (women) would have gone to their candidate and to the media said “enough.” Instead, you saw “progressive” women on TV talking about how Palin couldn’t be VP with kids and a pregnant daughter. Really? Would they say the same thing to their CEO?
Of course “progressive” now seems to be becoming synonymous with “hypocrite,” so maybe it’s not all that surprising. The latte liberals love to talk about animal rights and the Palin video at the turkey farm, while they drive their gas guzzling BMW’s to Whole Foods to order their gourmet Thanksgiving dinner.
I hope you don’t mind mimi, but I quoted your comment in my blog post on all this:
http://hillaryorbust.com/2008/11/women-were-the-enemy/
I like your post (i popped over and read it.) and I agree in part with mimi. women canibalize each other. what she said is very true.
but, i do think a petition/panel will help. i certainly don’t think it can hurt.
perhaps the women who participate in bashing other women fought so hard to get where they are, are afraid to seem weak, if they speak out against what they see? Or perhaps some women are afraid of the ridicule if they speak out? I don’t know. but mimi made some great points.
but, like i said, i think a panel is a great idea.
sara,
Not to be a hard nose, but my problem is that it will offer 0bama cover.
You know one of the things that still sticks in my craw, was his “Hillary lost. Get over it,” remark to the Women’s Caucus. How disrespectful that was to elected officials who have constituents to represent.
To add insult to injury, 0bama never once courted Hillary’s supporters. Think about it. Not once! He let Hillary do that.
He might have had a shot at my vote had he at least once stood up against the misogyny, but he was cock sure he didn’t need my vote. And guess what, he didn’t.
He should have stood up for no other reason than for his 2 young daughters.
He couldn’t even do it for Sasha and Malia.
A panel now?
Well, isn’t just just a nice gift-wrapped easy out, for a man who can then claim, I tried.
All this will be is an opportunity to placate women and seem magnanimous while doing so. All this does, and this is the part that really saddens me, is give women an opportunity to bitch and moan in public and get attention. To have their feelings validated and pretend that it’s going to do some good. Can we ever get beyond this chick stuff and make a serious grab for power?
I don’t think a Panel will do any good.
The good has to come from us first.
All this will do is give the press the chance to sell newspapers after having colluded with some of the most offensive misogynistic behavior in history.
I don’t need to whine in public about the cu**t and other epithets that were hurled.
I want 0bama to have the space to be who he is.
That will do more than any Panels or Commission.
Yes, Mimi, I agree one hundred percent. Enough of this panel/commission stuff. I also don’t want to give The One any cover. Let him show everyone who he really is without us providing any assistance.
mimi - do you have a a blog? i would love to read you, if you do.
Also, I think that you should write up a post about what you have been saying here. I think you have some excellent analysis, and some very good points. I would love to read a whole post about it, and perhaps some actions steps. Honestly, some of the things you are saying I never thought about. I think it would be very interesting.
Not sure how NQ will feel about posting it (but will ask), but if they don’t want to, I would love to on my blog.
(And not from a complete Obama bashing perspective, but from a *what is our problem, and how do we fix it* point of view…) ahha Does that make sense?
Hillary or Bust,
Not at all.
Thank you.
I totally agree with Mimi. I also want to see what this misogynyst pig does. I’m not willing to sign the petition. I’ve been there done that as well. I also see the problem lies with women. If we don’t get it, we’ll continue to be our worst enemy. I don’t know how to start a dialogue with women who claim they didn’t see the misogyny, I can’t even bear to speak to my sisters at this point.
but a presidential commmission in obloweme’s administration is such an oxymoron. he’s the biggest sexist pig of them all.
Do NOT forget Mrs. Obama’s role in this.
Her sole focus is BLACK — that is her identity — black. Not woman — she could care less about human rights for women.
She’s like the women of the late 60s, early 70s who were passive, involved in the Peace movement, but had no voice and were treated badly. I saw the same thing in the Black Power movement in the Bay Area — that was Black MALE Power.
Anyway it is a good thing to add our names to this — one more time.
My hope is that this time we have ALL women involved — or at least the leaders of the right and left wings of American politics. The left the old old feminist have been discredited after this election and the horrible misogynistic behavior of their pet.
This is why Sarah Palin has a special place in my heart — what she did took guts. She came out and called herself a feminist — and she IS. I may not agree with her — but I heard her make a strong statement for all women in the world. And since Palin spoke out I’ve seen conservative women start to find their voices on — women’s rights are human rights. This was Hillary’s message of the 1990s — and so many Republican women (and men) watched the thrashing the media gave Clinton and then Palin — we’ve had an awakening like I’ve not seen in a long time.
OH — let me not forget the wonderful macho guys who understand what happened this year. Thank you . . . guys. We cannot do this without your help. And what I found it that by removing sex role stereotypes — you guys are also freed from playing a role.
But Islander, if enough people sign it, he might consider he has a reelection coming. Let’s see him pander.
Pat, Great Cartoon, and the Presidential Commission on Women is a great idea. It will allow all of us that are so angry at how ALL women have been treated in the press to have our voices heard when hearings are called for across the nation once the Commission is formed. 56% of women voted for Obama.
Let’s get our voices heard now.
Sign the petition:
http://www.womencount.org
Pass this to all your email contacts. Send the link to this article: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/21/look-what-crawled-out-from-under-the-rock-and-how-to-stomp-on-it/#more-6642
Please stand up now and take a minute to do this.
NOW PLEASE. Thanks to Campaign for Gender Equality and Women Count for leading the way. Thanks Pat for posting this.
I signed it! It is a wonderful petition!
I will sign the petition and will feel good about standing up for all of us women.
What a Prize: Secretary of State! Yes, it’s a prestegious position, but I think if I were Hillary, I’d slap him in the face. She’s better than what she’ll be doing, i.e. furnishing him with her expertise and knowledge which will make ‘One’ look like he’s walking on the water. It’s common knowldge that he stole votes, bussed into states and rewarded caucus voters with $$ or gifts for their votes, “fingered” her in one of the debates, and looked down his nose at her; and on and on.
Again, women have to tag behind and clean up the crap to make look good. The idibots on MSM reached out to the male voters who, traditionally, have been the leaders with their women walking 2 steps behind.
Enough is enough!! Let’s band together and make our voices and votes count….this isn’t the middle ages. I’m still a Democrat, but country first, and I sincerely hope we don’t have more crap to clean up four years from now.
I see it as tokenism. Nothing more.
Sorry I just cannot be pleased — another abused woman panders to her abuser.
Yeah, year of the woman, huh? Is that what we’re calling that piece David Shuster was latering all over himself last night on the Olbermann sorry excuse for a show? They did a piece on Sarah Palin (who, not a favorite of mine but is a human being after all!) did a typical politico turkey pardon. It was kinda hokey, I have to say she seemed a little tired & shaken, having been through quite the personal firestorm experience in the last few months. You could just see how exhausted she was. Afterwards she had the misfortune, and the um cameraman was just happy to let the camera roll roll roll while in the background there were literally dripping with fresh blood vats into which I believe turkeys were being dropped in live & then popping out dead- She was unaware of her backdrop & they played it for ten minutes straight. It was so violently far beyond “Ha ha, that crazy old Sarah Palin” I can hardly describe it, so gratuitious to slam this woman’s face in shit yet again. And Shuster just gloried in it. What the F is wrong with these media ass clowns.
I can’t even stand to watch David Schuster. I don’t like his facial twitches. Ewww.
Since I am not a member of the DNC, or a Dem, I can’t really tell anyone what to do. But, if I WERE a member of the DNC, the most corrupt political organization in the history of America, then I would continually send them a message by registering Independent and stopping any donations to them unless and until they clean house, change their tune, and stop bashing their own.. The abuse Hillary took from her own party will be in my mind FOREVER and I mean FOREVER. I didn’t think a political party could eat their own this way.
I think the misogyny is also just par for the course for Fraudbama. He has divided this country across every cultural, gender, racial, socio-economic line available to him. And I bet he loves every minute of it.
Then sign the petition and pass it to your friends. This is for our daughters, mothers, aunts, grandmothers and our wives. This must be stopped.
Gender Equality is for us MEN also.
Sign the petition:
http://www.womencount.org
Women face bias worldwide - UN
Women are discriminated against in almost every country around the world. A UN-commissioned report says that this is despite the fact that 185 UN member states pledged to outlaw laws favouring men by 2005.
It adds that 70% of the world’s poor are women and they own just 1% of the world’s titled land.
The report was compiled by Fareda Banda, a law professor at London’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS).
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Amnesty International: Stop Violence Against Women
Every minute of every day all over the world, women are harassed, attacked and even killed just for being women, daughters, Sisters, mothers, children. It doesn’t have to be this way. Amnesty International is working to stop it. Making a difference is easier than you think. The first step is making your voice heard, make some noise to stop violence against women. Take action at Amnesty Internationals’ website. http://www.amnesty.org/
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Thank you JohnnyB, we need more supportive men like you.
Oded Fehr: Stop Violence Against Women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdYhmcVgaYI
Amnesty International: Stop Violence Against Women
Every minute of every day all over the world, women are harassed, attacked and even killed just for being women, daughters, Sisters, mothers, children. It doesn’t have to be this way. Amnesty International is working to stop it. Making a difference is easier than you think. The first step is making your voice heard, make some noise to stop violence against women. Take action at Amnesty Internationals’ website. http://www.amnesty.org/
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I forgot the youtube link…to Stop Violence. Lets not kid ourselves…misogyny leads to violence upon women.
Jackoff Abramoff ringing any bells? Tom Delay, Ted Stevens, Scooter Libby, Cunningham, Bushy…um…you’ve got something in your eye there guy…
Obama did thrive on the CHAOS he created.
THIS will be is style of governing.
Chaos is one of the styles of parenting and of Executive leadership. It’s been so long since I’ve worked in this area (family counseling) that I’ve forgotten about the styles of parenting and how they relate to executive leadership. I’m also blanking out because this was my mother’s parenting style.
Independently many bloggers have mentioned the word CHAOS — and a couple of nights ago I was able to make sense of the red flags that have been going off — ever since the campaign began.
I’ve done a brief research of the literature and indeed Chaos is mentioned as one parenting style (not a healthy parenting/governing style).
There are three parenting styles — Authoritarian, Democratic — and Permissive (Chaos is an extreme form of permissive).
Click my name above for the link to a general article. The discussion of the Chaos parenting style is found deeper in the research.
Chaos executives — use people against each other and they divide and conquer. HELL we lived through this — just review the emotional roller coaster we’ve been riding this last few months.
That should read: Chaos will be Obama’s governing style.
Woman Voter says “once unleashed it can’t be stopped”
I can’t see misogyny as a monster — as I said on another thread, a carbuncle has broken on Uncle Sam’s backside and the misogyny is the pus running out in the open for all to see. That’s the road to healing it.
The misogyny has been there all along. It went underground for the last 40 years or so, that’s all.
Best to be rid of the cover-up. Women now know what they are fighting, know they can no longer be complacent, no longer thinking they can relax into some kind of progress.
Yep Islander–it’s been under a rock. Your analogy is very good also! So, Islander, will you sign the petition? I think we are right to bitch, but we have to act also, even if only in small ways.
Yea, no wonder the AMAZON women cut their breast off and went to battle. I won’t be that extreme but I won’t be silenced. We owe it to our society as a whole, societies that value women thrive, those that oppress them are in the decline and the children suffer (male and female).
We can’t go down without a speaking up, as silence is our greatest enemy, today more than ever with this country with NO PRESS. The press have become part of the Obama administration, don’t kid yourselves…THE PRESS DIED IN 2008!
Great post Pat!
I have heard so much talk and for that matter whining about what happened and not enough about what we are going to do. The good news is that what happened in the 08 election woke many people up. Now let’s not miss this opportunity to act. A Presidential Commission on Women is a great idea and is long overdue. We can make anything happen if we are focused and united. Please sign the petition at http://www.womencount.org
One of life’s perplexing mysteries–where is there justice in this universe. Pol Pot lives to be an old man in China. Bin Laden still sits crosslegged on the floor somewhere in Pakistan. On another level completely but just as disgusting, Herr Olbermann continues to pollute the airwaves. To call him beneath contempt is a truism. I would like to think that some immortal female creatures like the Furies are working something special up in the afterlife for Olbermann, Schuster, and Matthews.
Sorry. Didn’t nest. This is responding to “blue’s” comment regarding Olbermann’s show above.
You know how to really get to them in this life?
It will take about 8 years. Chelsea in 2024!!!
What a wonderfully scary cartoon and what a scary and dangerous attitude that must be confronted by both men and women.
I read that someone said that signing petitions does nothing, and yet every important group asks people to sign a petition in regards to an issue they are supporting, so who is right? Some people believed that investing in grass root activity was a waste of money and energy, so who is right?
This is an important issue so please join me and others and sign the petition and in addition do what ever else you can.
Rich
Pat:
Great post. Thank you for putting up that link. Will go sign. Great cartoon too; I love it.
By the way a small typo: it is Marie Cocco (not Cocca).
Cheers.
Whoopsie–sorry Marie. Thanks Andy! (I am going in to correct it in case anyone reading your comment thinks you were seeing things!)
I just signed the petition at Women Count.
We can’t afford to let this crucial subject fade from the public mind and our national dialogue. Let’s this be the last year women are ridiculed for their looks, voices, clothes, and hair, rather than being judged on their policies, experience, and resumes!
DO NOT SIGN THE PETITION! I’m sorry Pat, but I’m been an activist/feminist all my adult life. I’ve planned political campaign, I’ve carried them out, I’ve strategized for them. This is just creating a vehicle for Obama to hide his misogyny - an excuse for him. There are things we can do, but signing a petition isn’t it. What we will have to do is going to be difficult and long-term and we will have to be committed to it. Mimi is right on this. Listen to us, please. There is no bandaid that can be applied.
You mean all those people who voted for Hillary wasn’t a petition? If that didn’t, couldn’t, or wouldn’t be enough of a petition for women’s equality then I don’t think any number will ever be enough. Looks like you women will just have to revolt and tell the misogynists to go and wash your own god damn cloths, sweep your own floors, cook your own dinner, and last but most importantly–forget about s-, er having babies.
“You mean all those people who voted for Hillary wasn’t a petition?”
At last, someone with some sense.
Doris Lessing said in the Golden Notebook something to the effect of:
“Going mad is watching yourself do the same thing over and over, and not being able to stop it.”
This is the real reason a woman didn’t win the presidency.
The above poster is right, if all the women voting for Hillary wasn’t enough of a petition, no amount of names on this one will be enough.
Let me let you in on a secret. The election is over.
Just what do you all intend to use for leverage now?
Especially in the face of the economy, and foreign affairs.
This will be laughed at and scoffed by the very men who committed these acts in the locker rooms, bars and male-meeting grounds.
Don’t you chicks ever get tired of being the shit on the bottom of a shoe?
You call these men abusers, yet you want to petition said abusers to help identify their abuse.
Hey ladies, remember to say ‘pretty please.’
There are a lot of people who were prejudiced against someone’s race who have completely changed their views.
The real reason a woman didn’t win the presidency is because of voter fraud.
I’m sure there were a lot of people who never thought women would get the right to vote, and that it would be a waste of time to try.
I do agree with most of what you are saying. I don’t blame men for everything. I too grow weary of people complaining about it when I don’t feel it’s there. It’s the same thing Obama did with the race card.
I was disgusted at this election too. People who say Obama wasn’t personally sexist? 99 problems and a bitch ain’t one is all I have to say.
Who cares if he’s married to a strong woman? That means nothing to me. He’s the type of guy who will surround himself in people who can help him - so he needs women. I see Michelle as a hater of all, so it probably only bothers her if people went after HER or her daughters.
I just don’t see the big deal about signing the petition. If you think that nothing will come out of it & it will be a laughing stock…then what have you got to lose?
I have to say, I’m up to here, with this Michelle is a strong black woman stuff and that she runs everything behind the scenes.
Don’t.Bet.On.It!
Michelle was selected by Barry for reasons that I have voiced before. I’m not going to take the time on this thread to voice them again. I realize that to a large extent, these reasons fall on deaf ears because they are founded more in an AA perspective. Yeah, it’s a black thing.
But I agree, his wife has zilch to do with his personal actions.
As far as signing the petition, I’m not signing it because I don’t believe in it. I think it’s a possibility that a Commission could come out of it. For me, that is all the more reason not to sign. As someone pointed out, it’s window dressing. It’s the dozen roses from the abusive spouse.
Why so many persist in giving 0bama cover and are so impatient about letting his administration go where it takes him, is beyond me. If they give you the Commission he can say, I tried. And he would be right.
Women need to start looking at the bigger picture in the fight for power. Sure, the press is giving it exposure, they want to sell newspapers, they want all of you who cancelled subscriptions back.
And again, instead of holding your ground, you are falling for the head-fake. We should be Lucy, not Charlie Brown.
This was one of the things I admired about Palin. She had guts. And having guts sometimes means retreating in order to live to fight another day.
I still feel it’s important for women to first dialogue with each other across ideological, political, and generational differences. We don’t need government imput for that.
But if attention is what you all need, then sign on.
I don’t need attention. I need good sound strategy that is current and incisive. A strategy that takes us beyond the feminism of yesterday.
When you all get around to that, count me in.
Well said — thank you.
Sometimes I think that Mrs. O is one of the stereotypical “strong” AA women. And then I remember that I read somewhere that she was angry with 0-zero because he was never around– and then this is the other family dynamic of the Caribbean women — most raise the family on their own.
We really don’t know what sort of relationship dynamic these two have — I don’t have enough information — because these two are skilled at putting on a public illusion. All I know is that Mrs. O is a very angry women — she has raging anger just under the surface. And I don’t see a reason for her irrational projected anger. Unless there are hidden dynamics??
The angry faces on Mrs. 0 captured by photographers are windows into her rage.
Can she take real criticism - ’cause that women has the absolute worst taste in clothes — she sort of dresses like a bag lady, who wears what she thinks is a pretty dress she found in a dumpster.
i would much rather sign a petition, and fight like that, then trash churches and storm the white house, and call people names… civil action is prefered in my book, and we have to *start* somewhere.
Do you know what I start with? With my wallet. Where do I spend my dollars?
And I follow Mimi’s suggestion of protesting the entertainment industry seriously. They only serve up crap because people buy crap. I don’t give ratings or “eyeballs” to those I consider pieces of garbage.
Which means, and this will probably annoy or surprise many, that I no longer will watch The West Wing. And I used to love the series. Now, I can not watch a single re-run, because it’s creator, Aaron Sorkin, is a depraved misognyst…. as evidenced by his outrageous Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Sorkin showed us all who he really is with that program, a creep, and thankfully that show was terminated within the first season. Because of it, however, I just can not value his previous work even though I adored TWW when it first aired.
AWP,
I’m with you. Sorkin showed his true colors. Not another dime or the time of day from me.
A lot industry people have turned me off. Not simply because they endorsed 0bama, but the way they did it. Especially the Hillary-hatred coming from people like Susan Sarandon. Or the Palin hatred coming from Matt Damon. Many slammed Hillary because of the war. Well, I wonder how they feel now that 0bama has backed off withdrawing the troops ASAP? I’m sure they’ve made up excuses for him.
Boston Legal’s creator David Kelly turned me off too. One of my few favorite programs. Well, I won’t be tuning in for the finale.
0prah who?
But it’s not their politics alone. It’s the industry’s array of sexualized/objectified images. These have a pervasive effect on growing males and females. And to repeat myself, I’m not trying to strip women of their femininity, or sexuality the way the early feminists tried. I think when you do that, failure is inevitable. Which is why I would not bristle at my daughter playing with a Barbie or watching structured amounts of tv programming. In the example given above, all that mother has done is try to stunt something natural and thus created an obsession where there didn’t have to be. If it were me, Barbie would become a bargaining chip, leverage for better grades, attitude, skill development, a whole mind.
Children need guidance. And guidance is gentle. I don’t get women who try to repress the natural inclination in all women to be attractive. The goal should be to help little girls to mine other qualities as well. This notion that if we eliminate physical beauty then you eliminate the problem intra women is unrealistic. Do men eliminate their sense of competitive physical strength? No. They learn to compete without destroying their gender unity.
This must be learned by us, too.
There are many responses on this thread encouraging women to think about alternative strategies as well as the bigger picture and implications of the purpose of this petition. Obviously, in a democracy, people have the right to exercise free will. And hearty debate helps with that.
I don’t know that program. But, I agree, hitting them where it hurts is usually in the wallet.
Hillary’s going to be SOS after Thanksgiving. Yayyyy! I knew she’d take it. Now she’ll be First Lady, Senator, SOS, VP or SCOTUS.
I think in 2012, Biden will step down and Hillary will be the veep. I think this is Hillary’s real plan.
This Yayyy…sounds like the party is beginning to see the have an ‘IMAGE’ problem, because we know for darn sure it isn’t women’s issues they are worried about.
Senator Hillary Clinton was the BEST CANDIDATE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A WOMAN! She was denied a ‘PROPER ROLL CALL’ for POTUS and also one for VP. Ted Kennedy who left a WOMAN to die alone, in the water got a proper ‘ROLL CALL’, but our FIRST VIABLE WOMAN CANDIDATE DID NOT!
Donna Brazile sat there silent while they called Senator Hillary Clinton a ‘White Bitch’ and said NOTHING! The DNC was hopping they could wave hangers at us and that we would forget about what they did… NO NO NO…No We Won’t!
Don’t you think that any sort of committee for the rights and respect of women which is linked to the fed gov will be just window dressing?
We need a strong organization, that’s for sure — PUMA should be our fighting force, I think. Women have got to learn to stop fighting one another over who qualifies to fight for women’s rights. Stop trying to tell one another who is THE right kind of feminist, etc. The first right of a woman is to define herSELF! And the first duty of a women’s organization is to fight for the rights of all women. To me, Action is not signing petitions. I have signed so many useless petitions in the past few year, especially the last year and where did they go? — swept off the floor of the DNC, Congress, campaign offices — the only ACTION I see is in terms of heavy picketing, national strikes, marches, turning out in hoards to support a woman in trouble — where are all the women who ought to be batteringg down the walls of TV studios, etc etc. As long as we do not have the guts our grandmothers had, we will be pleading for out rights for the next millenium. Words, words, words, I’m so sick of words.
Can’t disagree that action is good. BUT, this is a special petition because it is being so well promoted (newspapers, TV, to hundreds of women’s organizations, and here–blogging virally).
IF there can be a Commission on Women, then the opportunities for action will be greatly enhanced. Commissions have the capabilities of putting out calls on a grand scale.
PUMA is a part of this. This petition is being actively promoted on PUMA sites!
yeah, ok, that just made up my mind.
Any group that is involved with PUMA is just seting themselves up to look bad and I’m not signing a petition that they promote.
The problem with calling EVERYTHING sexism, is that before long no one will pay any attention at all. Every read the boy who cries wolff? You can not call every single criticism that a women receives sexism. It won’t get us anywhere.
The above comment by 0bama Supporter really does throw light on the basis of my point of view.
If you read the gung-ho comments here, most of them are founded in the echo chamber of a very antiquated point of view.
Like it or not, the reality is that a lot of women, mostly younger did not see it this way. At what point are women going to start dialoguing with women first.
Maybe SEXISM is viewed differently now. I don’t know, but I’d be open to finding out just why so many women were willing to watch Sarah Palin be vilified from a sexist standpoint and even participated in it.
I say that as someone who does not agree with Palin’s politics and who probably would not vote for her in 2012. I simply don’t understand why so many women did not stand up for fighting her on the issues and instead behaved like the Mean Girls in the high school cafeteria.
I sincerely would like to understand this.
As far as men go, I stopped focusing on them as the reason why not years ago. I cannot rekindle that mindset.
I have the same mindset regarding blaming white people for all of AA woes. This is at the heart of why an 0bama presidency was not essential to my personal self-esteem. I wanted the most qualified/experienced person at this delicate time in our history and that just happened to be a white woman.
I really don’t care how much attention this petition is getting from the media. They just want to sell papers again. Don’t you ladies ever learn? They want your readership back.
This road has been taken before and borne very little fruit and kept things where they are today. You can dance around it all you want, but the enemy you need to confront is YOU!
Perhaps you misunderstood Obama Supporter, or, more likley, I didn’t explain myself very well.
The petition dirve is widespread. PUMA was not part of developing this project, some Puma groups just (along with hundreds of other groups) signed up to promote it on their blogs. The groups promoting it are VERY diverse indeed–coming together on this single issue of sexism and misogyny to shine a bright light on an obvius issue of importance to ober half of our population.
Thanks Pat for the clarification. I will still consider the petition, because I think the overall goal is a good one.
My concern, as a women who also happens to be VERY supportive of President-Elect Obama and hopeful for what is to come, is being connected to all of this negativity. I wholeheartedly supported his campaign, volunteered my time, and feel proud to have been a part of this historic election.
What we need now, as a country and as a people is unity. These wedge issues will not produce unity, they only divide. Haven’t we had enough of that already? Common ground is what we need. Optimism is what we need.
While I think think a commission focused on women’s issues is a good idea, we are facing much bigger issues in the next couple of years. The next President will need our support and the American people must be willing to hope and work and sacrifice. There’s too much at stake.
Nope, I don’t feel like unifying with thugs and convicts. What’s at stake here, your current lifestyle? Did you think about anyone else’s while working for Obama to get elected?
If this country wants to grow, it shouldn’t shit on the masses that have the ability to give birth.
Days of “THE SECRET” mentality are coming to an end in about a week. By inauguration, more and more people will realize that you can ignore negativity, but that doesn’t mean negativity is non-existant. Sometimes, moer often than not, you have deal with it.
ummmmmmm, ok. My lifestyle? huh?
Angry is a great descriptor for you.
So what? I own my anger.
While I think think a commission focused on women’s issues is a good idea, we are facing much bigger issues in the next couple of years. - Obama Supporter
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How nice to know. It was a woman Rosa Parks that refused to get up that brought about the cause, yet Obama couldn’t even mention her as the bus rider. He reduced Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to the ‘preacher’ and now you are telling us that a ‘commission on women’ isn’t a big enough issue? Well, EXCUSE US ‘WIMIN FOLK’ FOR DISTURBING YOU LEADER WITH SUCH AN TRIVIAL REQUEST…BUT IT HAS BEEN 47 YEARS!
oops that was: YOUR LEADER (OBAMA).
ummmm, wow. First off, I’m wmin folk too so that’s not the issue, nor is the petition. The issue is all this anger.
I’m talking about foreign policy, the economy, healthcare reform, etc. And yes, I do think that these things are more crucial right now than the blame game that some people seem to want to play. All of this anger will not solve those issues. It will only impede progress.
The point I was trying to make is that focusing on whatever
it is your rambling on about (I didn’t realize Obama was regularly “dissing” Rosa Parks?) will only make solving these crucial issues more difficult. As will focusing on other wedge issues such as, well I could go on and on listing them, but that’s not the point.
Problem solving and cooperation is what we need.
To point out that its all about HIM, isn’t rambling it is fact. Go back and listen to his acceptance speech in Denver. If you don’t acknowledge the past you are doomed to repeat the errors or it really is about HIM!
The fact that you are saying that a ‘Commission on Women’ is not important is too telling. As if a ‘Commission on Women’ was going to STOP his administration from working on the economy, healthcare reform (which by the way doesn’t sound like Universal Health Care to me), shows that there isn’t any commitment to women’s issues.
I guess women can just go to the BACK OF THE POLITiCAL BUS, because this administration doesn’t value women. How long must we wait? ! ?
I have no issues with a commission on women being requested, petitioned or created. Sounds great!
My point is that the anger and the blame will not get us anywhere. Of course a “Commission on Women” wouldn’t get in the way of addressing other issues, but all of this divisive angry rhetoric WILL. That’s the point. It divides people. We don’t need more division.
Here is another example of what I’m talking about. You mentioned the health care issue. Ok, personally, I think universal healthcare is the way to go. But the simple truth is that there are still too many people in this country opposed to it. So what have we done since Senator Clinton tried to address this issue? nothing. The two ends of the argument are too far apart.
The current proposals by the Obama Administration can become a starting point. They can address many issues that are crucial, while giving enough concession to the opposition to win support. Compromise. You see what I mean? We can either get the ball rolling in the right direction, or we can stand on opposite sides of the fence and insist that the other side give.
This is why nothing gets done.
It is very painful to read your comments. I hope you get to experience in your life every goddamn obstacle every woman has experienced in her life trying to advance herself. May be then you will have some sympathy or empathy for what Hillary supporters felt. How dare you come here and write the drivel you write! You being a woman is rubbing salt on an open wound.
Obama supporter — go to KOS —
I don’t like Obamabots.
I am a PUMA.
I will NEVER EVER be part of the Dem party in a large part because of the chauvinist pigs like you Obama supporters. YOU are all sexists — every single one of you.
You call us racists and I call you ALL sexist pigs.
correction: pleading for our rights
It’s way past time that women from all walks of life be given the full RESPECT and HONOR they deserve.
http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com
AMEN Brother AMEN!
One thing we can do right away is begin working on amending the hate crime laws to include gender. We can do this on a state by state basis. That’s one of my projects here in NC. I’m serious. You can go to this site and find out what your state’s Hate Crime law currently covers:
http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/state.asp
Let’s get busy…
Good idea–I was horrified when the Palin noose incident was described as “distasteful but not a hate crime.”
I am sure that a Presidential Commission on Women would want to include hate crimes against women as a priority.
I can support that, Puma for Life. I’m in Raleigh. Whose door do you want me to break down?
Yup, but we also need to see who didn’t use the ones in place. In California where Palin was hung in effigy Gerry Brown didn’t do anything about it, even though the law included women. We need to put some in place and to tighten others and to vote those that look the other way when it comes to women issues like Gerry Brown.
Onward we go…
OOps I meant to vote those out that look the other way like Gerry Brown. He did nothing and he did nothing in regards to a high profile rape case on a minor too. The women groups quickly forgot about it, and in so doing it will happen again.
I believe Obama might make a Commission for Gender Equality. It will make Obama look good and get women off his back, so why not?
I also believe that our world is Orwellian, and that this Commission will not result in gender equality.
He can put a bunch of highly qualified and talented women on this Commission (big C, this one will cost taxpayers a bundle) and keep them out of other branches of government.
No thanks.
HC–Look at what many past commissions have accomplished. BIG things. I think we need to explore every avenue. The cost is miniscule compared to the potential benefits.
What benefits? Making the Obama administration look good while doing not much? I guess thats a benefit to some. From what I see of Obama I wont be convinced it will be more than this.
As far as commissions being a boon to taxpayers, which ones? There are literally hundreds and in my opinion most provide much benefit.
We as Americans had an opportunity to pass a constitutional amendment barring discrimination based on gender. It was shot down in my lifetime. Such is America. Omerica. Whatever. Bleh.
Elect women. Nothing else is going to help get them/us over the hump.
OK HC, an example.
The President’s Commission on Children and Youth (not sure that is the exact name) was part of my studies. The Commission came out with a bunch of important and heretofore widely scattered data (someone has to gather it up and organize it) accompanied by some amazing action strategies. I recall that an agency in my city started implementing as many of their actions as possible right away because they were so well-formulated and thought through. Many REAL children benefitted.
We will have to agree to disagree.
I dont need more data to determine Americans dont like electing women, and will come up with just about any excuse (kids, pantsuits, you name it) to not vote for them.
It is my opinion that making a Commission full of women to complain about inequality will not be helpful.
Shame people into being good? I dont think so. Make them aware of the issue so they can think again? Again, not betting on it.
What it will do is give people a false peace of mind, and it will give presidents and assorted congressional flotsam an “out”.
Look! I have a Commission on Gender! Don’t bother me! We dont need more! We are doing all we can!
I agree with you HC. I don’t need a Commission.
This is not the same as a Commission to help kids being ravaged by sociological conditions beyond their control.
The female situation is far more insidious. It happens on levels beyond governmental control.
Again, I point out that there are a slew of women who voted for 0bama, participated in the misogyny who view sexism differently.
What part of it’s our responsibility to dialogue with each other to find out the different and varying point of views and then try to form a conscensus.
Part of the reason women don’t elect women is because women have not worked through the basic issues of working with each other.
This idea of a Commission really brings that home. Rather than women attempting to first work together, it’s more important to be validated within a framework controlled by men.
Come on ladies, just when is this approach going to get old???
But more importantly, why not give 0bama the opportunity to govern and let’s see where he’s really at. If he does what I think he will, we won’t have to worry about coming together.
You ladies are giving him cover. A way out.
You are enabling him.
Maybe that word might make you smell the coffee.
I don’t want Clinton as SOS…what, is it to enable Obama AND Bill’s stuff??
I want her in the Senate wielding power and not being subject to the whims of Obama, who could toss her any time or just make her a handmaiden…
I think it’s a crappy place to go and I’ll be disappointed to see Clinton falling in line and working UNDER this piece of crap.
YEP — I agree.
She’s acting like an abused woman. And to think that President Clinton is kneeling to 0-zero is also sort of creepy.
THEY of all people know what he is.
Uhhh….the WORST part of the Hillary thing? Does everyone remember the FRAUD? The criminal acts that were perpetrated against her? The ones the DNC helped Fraudbama commit? Man, I just don’t think I could take all that crap and then call him “boss.” Or let him sit there and steal all of my ideas and call them his own. I wish someone would figure out what the truth behind this is. I’m just sure there’s something bigger that we don’t know.
Obama as a muslim… women will always stay as second class citizen (PERIOD).
whoa…..he’s so not muslim.
Do you really see Michelle playing the roll of a second class citizen. I feel she dominates her relationship with Obama, in which case you have no case.
Rich
Rich,
No.She.Doesn’t!
I have some swamp land in Florida. Text me!
I see no problem with asking the president elect to create a counsel on women. Sure why not.
All I see going on here is a lot of Obama bashing. I’m not really inclined to sign on to that. I saw no evidence on any sexist behavior on Obama’s part during the election. He is a good man, raised by good, strong women. He has a confident, intelligent wife who speaks her mind. He has to daughters. He’s on our side. I truly believe that.
I think there is a generational gap in the perception of the role sexism played in this election. Most women that I know who are around my age didn’t see it as an issue in the same way that many older women did. That’s not to say that there aren’t still issues that need to be acknowledged, but I do really think the perception is varied.
I’m 33 by the way.
I’m 55…
I agree with you.
I do think that he used sexist tactics, and it causes a ripple effect.
But that’s not the real issue, in my opinion.
Hillary is not just Bill’s wife. She had to establish herself as separate from Bill.
She is so separate now.
This is the first political marriage in my lifetime, anyway, where the couple is TRULY just a political marriage, but separate.
Hillary had a huge barrier, which was how to separate herself but yet keep the best from the Clinton years.
I admire her threading the needle.
She lost the war but won the battle?
She’s not separate from Bill, though….don’t tell me the deal for SOS involves something for all his little enterprises, private and foundation.
Staying in the Senate hold her power. She gives it away by working UNDER Obama and at his pleasure. She can get ditched anytime.
And, she’ll wind up a messenger for him…
She needs to tough it out in the Senate and give WOMEN a place to go on issues!!!
Having daughters never stopped men being sexist. If that was the case misogyny wouldn’t have existed in the first place. Statements like that one make me think the speaker doesn’t really have a clue about misogyny, or at least hasn’t thought about it in any kind of logical or clear way.
The misogyny in Obama’s campaign came from the top - he approved it and well as indulging in it at various times throughout his campaign. Over his career Obama has made a habit of destroying women senior and more talented than him - he began with Alice Palmer in Chicago and his most recent victim was Hillary Clinton.
Also there are women of all ages complaining about the sexism in the election including very young women and girls so your argument that it is a generational thing is incorrect. I’m forty-one, only eight years older than you. If I can see the extraordinary set of double standards that women are held to in politics to whilst the mere possession of a penis sets a man far and away above the non-penis holders, why can’t you?
Wishing or pretending that sexism doesn’t exist is one failed tactic that many women use when faced with the enormity of the problem. Rather than burying your head in the sand why not come and join us in the fight against woman-hatred and the destruction of women. Ours is the right side to be on.
I understand what misogyny is. I grew up watching mtv. In the 80’s it was the hairbands, in the 90’s we got the getto rap. I’m aware of many ways that women are objectified.
But destroying women, come on! ok, let’s look at Alice Palmer. She decided to give up her position in the Illinois senate to run for congress. She went to Obama and all but insisted he run for her seat. Then she loses the congressional race and decides to run against him. He did not set out to defeat a women, he set out to defeat his political opponent. That is what you do when you run for office. You try to win. that is not sexism, and it’s not making “a habit of destroying women”.
Of course there are double standards. I’m not blind. I just don’t happen to see them in many of the examples sited here. To say that running against a women for political office, with the purpose of wining (therefore defeating the women) is somehow automatically sexism, just makes no sense, and it effectively nullifies the argument.
The most amazing thing about Obama is that people say:
“He’s on our side. I truly believe that.”
constantly.
Not an attack on you in particular and sorry if it seems so.
I am just amazed that this man, who really is the definion of a sleezy politician, gets this sort of love.
Obama will do what is best for Obama. That is the only thing he has proven to me.
He did not stand-up to it when it’s beneficial to him. Any one with principle would had denounced the media for that, but he remain silence. That’s not the quality I seek in a LEADER. He of course didn’t show sexist behavior himself, that’s just the bare minimum of a decent human being.
I agree with Ann that strong women will just plow through it. But there is no excuse for any decent “man” leader to just stand by and not calling it out.
“I saw no evidence on any sexist behavior on
Obama’s part during the election.”
CASE CLOSED!
I’ve had my say with this thread.
Catch you later.
mimi, thank you for your comments. I could not have said it better. People like “Obama Supporter” are what was wrong in this election. If that person is remotely trying to make something of herself, I want to know how she is doing and how she will do in 10 years. My guess is that she is not very ambitious nor is very successful at anything either. Perhaps she does not understand the reality of a glass ceiling because she has nothing to do with it.
I am 100% in solidarity with women getting the respect they deserve in the political arena. I don’t know what it will take to get that respect. The petitions are good. Supporting female candidates is good. But the real problem is that so many women are just as misogynistic as men. I swear it’s true.
It’s like that old Groucho Marx joke: “I’d never belong to any club that would accept ME as a member!”
When you get a woman like Nancy Pelosi in a position of power, she enjoys being not only the first female Speaker of the House, but the closest in succession to the Presidency of any woman in our history. That’s a pathetic state of affairs for our government to start with, but it seems pretty clear to me that she is not supportive of other women in political power, because that takes some of the spotlight off of her. As a woman, you’d expect that she would have been supportive of Hillary and every other female Democrat running for office, but I don’t recall her ever saying anything in support of increasing the number of women in government. She should be the one pounding on Obama’s desk and demanding parity in the Cabinet. She should be the one using her bully pulpit to decry the lack of women running for Congress. She should be using her power and influence for these things. Instead, it looks to me like she’s just a catty bitch making it difficult for other women. She doesn’t want anyone stealing her thunder.
I saw in this election Kathy Sebelius and Clair McCaskill, both Democrats, campaign hard for Obama against Hillary. And they weren’t the only ones. And I don’t think it would have made a dime’s worth of difference if it had been another woman other than “that Clinton woman” running. These women are the ones that should be preaching this sermon, but instead they smugly soak up the attention of being the only woman in that male arena, and they don’t want to share.
Wasn’t it women who were the most vociferous about Sarah Palin’s choices regarding balancing motherhood and career? That’s the way I remember it. And how many female reporters were laughing and giggling and smirking as their male counterparts made jokes about Hillary and Sarah on live television. Did a single one of them take exception and get indignant?
I’m with you, ladies, all of you. But it won’t do much good hammering the men in power with these issues if the women in power are not in the front lines of your efforts. Target them first, I suggest.
Bollocks.
Neither Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin were sexist in this campaign. They also had huge support among women.
The misogyny in this campaign came from Obama’s masculinist crew and the he man women haters’ club of the MSM - all white and almost all bepenised. If a few stupid women decided to support them that’s their look out but it’s a standard sexist trick to blame misogyny on women conveniently ignoring that it is men who set the agenda in our society and men who could end misogyny in a day if they all decided to stop attacking women.
Men need to step up to the mark and stop attacking women. I don’t see any male Secretaries of State saying that their next task will be fighting violence against women (that’s male violence btw) as Condi Rice is doing. Clean up your own house Steve before you start lecturing “ladies” on what we should do.
What are you going to do to stop male hatred of women today? How about tomorrow and next week?
Sarah, my house is clean, and my wife and I share those tasks equally.
Sorry you took offense to my post. I am not saying that women are to blame or that men are not guilty. What I said was that the problem will never be resolved while there are prominent women who are not standing up against misogyny, who are not bringing the matter to the fore.
And I am not lecturing “ladies” on what to do. You put it in quotes. Is “ladies” now a sexist term? I didn’t get that memo. How would you prefer I address females at large? I was always taught that women are to be addressed as “ladies” as a sign of respect, as in “ladies and gentlemen.” Now if I had said “girls,” I’d agree with your taking exception to it.
Yes, it’s true that most misogyny is coming from men. But not from me. I’ve been a feminist since the day my daughter was born in 1974. Please don’t assume things from my gender. My observations were that women in power need to take up this battle for it to succeed, and that women on talk shows who laugh at sexist jokes are themselves condoning misogyny.
The strategy I suggested, and stand by, is that it will be more effective for women who already have prominence to address this injustice than by petitions aimed at men. It’s easier for men to dismiss a petition than to dismiss a prominant woman they respect.
I’m a man, but there is little I can do to change the attitudes and behavior of males at large. But just because there are lots of men who belittle women, please don’t assume we all do, or that we have any control over other men. By being here daily and speaking up for women’s rights, I think I have earned the respect of most of the women here, and I’m sorry if you were offended by my opinion.
If you have to rely on incompetent men in power to end misogyny, then your cause is lost. If you have to wait for those “men” to wake up one morning and change their mind, it will be a long wait.
I don’t see women as victims. They are educated and financially independent. They don’t need man to give them what is already theirs, their rightful place as equal human beings.
Women who fail to see Hillary, a brilliant leader, as the best choice is the problem. They fail to see misogyny of MSM, and allowed the demeaning of women in the election. The numbers don’t lie. Women account for over 50% of the voters!
Sorry to say, but there are many women this election season who actively participated in the abuse of other women — it was far more than just “A few stupid women.”
Andrea Mitchell, Campbell Brown, Peggy Noonan, Maureen Dowd, Gail Collins, Eleanor Swift, Gloria Steinem, Eve Ensler, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Kathy Sebelius, Arianna Huffington, to name a few. This list goes on and on — these are hardly “stupid women” — although I consider their behavior stupid — they are all powerful in their own right and all chose to trash Hillary and or Sarah Palin.
And many women voters chimed in their contempt for Hillary for
a) not leaving Bill,
b) voting for the IWR (even though they had no idea how Obie would have voted since he wasn’t in the Senate at the time — and now that he has chosen her for SoS, that is by far the best verification of her foreign policy chops and is ironically, making some Obots heads explode)
c) being too ambitious
d) attacking Barack (unbelievable — as if she was mean mommy attacking her child — what kind of attitude is this?)
or
e) they were afraid to go against their boyfriends or husbands who “sat them down and gave them a good talking to” about not voting for Hillary (See Salon for a great article on this very topic).
Women absolutely share responsibility here. A patriarchal society may have set this agenda in motion — but it is 2008, and we do not have to listen to it any longer. Women have to fight back. En masse.
Certainly, misogyny coming from males must be addressed and can never be condoned, but how many times do women laugh along with sexist jokes, bonding with their offenders, so that they will not be the ones singled out?
Great post Ani…
Those women you named? Vile creatures who do not deserve the word “feminist” anywhere near them. Gloria Steinem? ROFLMAO. How dare she?
But, the problem is…How can we expect men to respect us when they saw Hillary and Palin being BRUTALIZED by our own. We could have the world by the azz if we could bond, ALL OF US, abortions or no abortions, and be a true sisterhood. Until that happens, and as long as men see us eat each other up, how the HELL can we expect THEM to treat us differently? That makes NO sense.
The one thing this year really taught me was to stop sipping anyone’s koolaid. I used to vote a straight Dem ticket. Now everyone has to earn my vote. I assume nothing.
I’ve surprised myself by realizing that while I am very progressive on many issues, I am also conservative on a few. It is very liberating not to have to dance to anyone’s particular tune.
Likewise, in answer to what you posted, (and I write this as someone who is down here struggling in the muck, trying to figure it out along with everyone else), I think men and women need the willingness to reflect on their own biases and attitudes and see what truly fits, as opposed to what they are parroting out of (unconscious) habit, or via the influence of parents, peers, spouses, party or whomever.
Independent or critical thought is not really valued in our tv world — pablum and infotainment is what we are fed. To break from that is a challenge. I remind myself to take my own pulse and ask “what do I believe.” The results are often not what one might expect.
Some might not want to look. It is, after all, very threatening to challenge a belief system. I have seen people end longtime deep friendships rather than admit to something they don’t want to — it would mean that their whole world starts tumbling down, or that they based their actions on something false. Who wants to risk making such a shift?
People would rather not live in the great big “I don’t know” so they stick with the status quo rather than threatening it, even if it is uncomfortable or wrong.
The whole thing is a little foreign to me. I am not a “group” person or “party” person. I wanted to see Hillary and McCain debate and make a choice. I didn’t get that. And, yes, people find a comfort zone and stick to it. I think that’s a big reason a lot of us are looking at our world and saying how the F did THIS happen?
Ani–I came to the same conclusion. I thought I was progressive (or even more to the left) on every issue. Found out this time around that I am progressive in some areas only AND, yes, every candidate needs to earn my vote.
I will consider all of them–not just the Democrat.
I also realized that the DNC is biased and corrupt–probably has been all along, but it really showed this time around.
most are just queen bees
Steve,
In spite of the comment that follow yours, you made reasonable assertions.
Someone asked what you are going to do.
It was pretty clear to me, that you seem to be doing it or at least offering a committment to do what you can.
I’ve learned that for many women, it’s pathological to see the world from the point of view where men are the reason why not.
They are no different from the many AAs who feel this way about whites. I wonder how many of you good white women put blacks down for this attitude?
Sorry, but as in both situations, there is plenty of blame to go around. The victim consciousness must end. Yes, men have more organized power than women. Whites also control more things than AAs. But the avenues have opened up and opportunity, though still a struggle is available. The attempt here is to discuss charting the best course.
The kneejerk reaction you received pretty much sums up the problem.
Mimi,
Thanks for your support. I think you have made some very salient points on this topic as well.
Take care.
I agree that many women during this election were as hateful to Hillary and Sarah as some men were. It even appeared that most female journalists (??) on TV were the originators to throw around the disgusting, lying, and mysoginist rumors of both of these women. And, I really only started noticing this when my husband pointed this out to me about a year ago - he warned me then about some womens’ hate/jealousy of other women because he’s observed it for years in his careers with women co-workers. I first told him he was crazy when he told me to watch how women would treat Hillary and then Sarah, but as I watched daily, I have to admit, my husband was right. And until these shallow, jealous women can see what they’ve done this past year, it will just continue. So, I think it is also very important to somehow make all those female women haters see themselves for what they are - not a pretty picture, either - - then, maybe they will stop their misguided hate and jealousy & turn that negativity into good for all women, and this can only be good for all humanity.
I signed the petition, too. Thanks Pat for letting us know about the petition.
Steve in KC - you nailed it.
thank you for the post.
The treatment of women will not change until women refuse to accept how they are treated. When 56% voted for a man who shows no respect for women especially when their was a woman in the race, there needs to be some detoxification and rehab for them-a petition won’t be enough. No self esteem and they define themselves by men not by their own personal beliefs and self respect (of which they apparently have none.)
I am not signing a petition when at the top of their page they have a big congratulations to Obama and Biden. I have always spoke out for fairness and will continue to do so but I’ll be no part of anything that gives validity to Barack Obama-he sure has not been a model for what is right and fair. I don’t see Obama being too concerned about any kind of legislation like this anyway. If it was addressed by anyone it would be Congress.
“When 56% voted for a man who shows no respect for women especially when their was a woman in the race, there needs to be some detoxification and rehab for them-a petition won’t be enough. No self esteem and they define themselves by men not by their own personal beliefs and self respect (of which they apparently have none.) “
Pretty much sums up what I’ve been saying.
Yep, exactly. It boggles my ind how these women could have voted for him when there was a viable and more qualified woman candidate. And especially, go back to vote for him in GE even after seeing how his minions treated Clinton in the primary.
Thanks to Cocco for some real substance. Apart from the media and the creepy candidate who enabled the trashing of women, we also had Howard Dean…Grail Guardian takes him apart…hypocrite
Howard’s Agony: Seems Like We’ve Been Here Before
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/howards-agony-seems-like-weve-been-here-before/
This is great!! I signed it and am sending it to all my friends. please do the same.
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To all of those who commented. There’s many reasons to do nothing for the next four years because of who is now going to be President. But this Presidential Commission on Women petition will bring to LIGHT, to the MEDIA (yes, even the MSM’s that don’t want to see the light), and will increase the awarneness of what Gender IN-Equality is all about and correct some of problems. This is a long-term campaign.
It starts by YOU wanting a change. So you don’t have to agree with everything, just get the Commission established, then go to the hearings and state your case. Sign the petition:
http://www.womencount.org and pass it along to your friends.
I think that is is ridiculous to not sign on to the petition - something that can potentially benefit women that probably need a lot more help than many of us. No matter how you feel why not do this one simple thing for your wife, mother, daughter, sister, niece and grandmother. Think of others and stop being so negative!!!
I agree with Pat Baker. It is such a simple gesture to sign the petition. I will try to do more, including encouraging my own granddaughters to be anything they want to be, and I will help them get there Maybe the Comossion will help them also.
Pat,
I’ve signed the petition. I’m not hopeful anything will come of it, but since it’s not coming out of NOW and NARAL, I’m willing to try to put my faith in another women’s organization - or two - that really mean to stand up for ALL women.
The let down I got from NOW and NARAL, especially since I supported both groups, has left a bitter taste in my mouth, but if I sit back that would be condoning the whole thing.
So, at the minimum, I’ve signed the petition and see what develops from there.
Why do women feel they have to vote the same way their husbands do? Their husbands won’t know.
read my comment above Bob,nuff said….
Sexism and misogyny have no place in a supposedly free and democratic country founded among others on the principle of equality for all.
I wonder the percentage of women that vote as their husbands do, I also wonder the percentage of men who vote based on what their wife does?
Galt (love your blogging name, BTW!)
I bet when influence occurs, it’s a wash as to who influences whom whenever the ballot is, indeed, cast in private.
BUT the caucuses are something else again, especially in states where the woman’s role is more traditional. I bet few women voted differently than their husbands and neighbors in Iowa. (But don’t knock me for using Iowa as an example–I already know not every woman is “traditional” there!)
Interesting observation about the caucuses. It makes sense. Maybe someday we will have a new tradition of true equality for all people.
Here we go again. I am a 57 yo male. I’ve been supportive all my adult life of women’s equality, and under appreciated for that. All I hear from the majority of the women is hate for men because men hate women and hold them down.
I say women need to start recognizing who is on their side and who isn’t, before you start losing your support. We [ men ] aren’t all misogonists.
Beaming–I hope every woman knows that there are a LOT of really good and supportive men out there! I run into them all the time.
At the four rallies for Hillary Clinton that I attended, there were always as many men as women in the crowd, and lots of the men cheered and whistled as if they were at their favorite sports event.
Very true beaming, some women are , our own worse enemies for furthering an equality, simply as citizens of the same country, and the human race. Both sexes are at fault, moreover as Americans the fact that we can recognize the human condition to the extent to admonish ourselves for allowing slavery in our country, but have blind eyes and deaf ears when considering we are talking about the entire species, not one half of it when it comes to the rights of citizens. Sad it has to take a commission to recognize for women, what is recognized by the 13th amendment in as much as humans cannot own humans; so does it not follow that applies to female humans as well? If all life is valued, then all life regardless of what sex it is must be treated with the same opportunities for all, within the species. We are in our Jane Crow years.
Pat Racimora,
Thanks for keeping the issues that concern women out front and center.
Petitions are well and good; I’m happy to sign.
At the same time, our elected representatives and political parties have demonstrated, REPEATEDLY, their absolute inability and unwillingness to acknowledge - let alone confront - the 600-pound gorilla. A Presidential Commission on Women, within the Obama administration, is sort of like the strategy of charging Phillip Morris with educating youth about the dangers of smoking cigarettes.
In my opinion, part of the problem is that the politico-media complex has defined our political debate in the most opportunistic manner, using the old “divide and conquer” strategy. Abortion is a great example of a so-called “wedge” issue that has been central to political discourse, and a foundation of the feminist agenda for decades; abortion has been used as a tactic to divert serious dialogue about women’s rights into countless false debates, in the most divisive terms possible. I believe that in order to tackle the gorilla, we need to form broad coalitions and reclaim/redefine the conversation in a way that resonates with the everyday realities of sexism/misogyny in our culture.
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mimi, thank you for summing it up so nicely.
I just finished reading a book name A People’s History of United States, in it the past struggle of slaves, servants, tenants, farmers, lower class, labors, Indian and Women. I don’t think people of today understand or appreciate the sacrifice in the past.
Women were one of the biggest contributor to the end of slavery, to labor organization and to civil rights.
It’s sad that most people are contend, and fail to see that century of hard work can be lost if they fail to be vigilant.
Pat,
I love the cartoon. The UTERUS MONSTER of 2008.
Ripples in a stream, every little bit helps. One thing is for sure, WE will not let them sweep it under the rug and forget about it.
The monster slept for years but here it was this year roaring back to life and chewing up females.
karen for Clinton–YOU SEE IT. You know, this is true, I didn’t do it consciously. But a friend did tell me, when I was planning the toon, that it could not be black or white or pink or blue (it’s supposed to be purple–a combo of pink and blue–but it looks more blue for some reason on monitors) AND it could not look totally masculine because some women were also part of the problem.
So I guess my right brain kind of figured out what to do without telling me. I did notice it after I finished it.
Pat,
thank you for the post, and I was glad to sign the petition, ever mindful it may take another hundred of these to be heard. No, we will no longer be dismissed, enough has been enough for my entire lifetime. Why should we have to “Imagine”, what is only correct, half of the species we call human are not considered to be an equal to the other half, this should bother anyone with a heart, soul or conscience.
Just remember one image from this campaign season, the effigy of Palin hanging by a noose outside someone’s house. That was the culmination of the hatred directed at Palin and Clinton. And remember the smirk, the sarcasm and the cold aggression of BO as he made the statement about lipstick on a pig and the smell of fish. Remember those things. A petition is fine and I’ll be glad to sign one but Joe the Plumber wasn’t sitting on any commission, he was a regular guy who somehow broke through the msm. The political powers, the swarmy Olbermans don’t care about petitions, they laugh. What we need is HRC using this one moment in women’s history to stand up and make her own ‘gender’ speech like the fraud did with his race speech. We would all stand up with her and it would mean so much more than any SOS position. If not her then we need to wait for a average Josephine the plumber out there.
Dear Islander,
Isolation and concluding that nothing will or can be done for women by Obama is shooting the horse before it has a chance to get out of the gate.
This is a quotation from John Donne (1572-1631). It appears in Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, Meditation XVII:
“All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated…As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon, calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come: so this bell calls us all: but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness….No man is an island, entire of itself…any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”
Timely cartoon and exhortation, Pat. I am signing the petition and urging my friends to do the same. I think if enough people get behind it, change is possible. I am not selling Obama short. This petition, if signed by many men and women, will help hold his feet to the fire.
Pat,
I’ve signed the petition and I am hopeful. Thank you for all that you do.
Have to say I agree with Mimi’s comments.
Although I have already supported this cause for women; I will comment on my personal beliefs which may be different from everyone elses. I believe we only had one Creator called by many different names and that makes us all Brothers and Sisters. Please let us respect all of Creation and love and forgive ourselves so we can bring peace and prosperity to all. The Holy Spirit resides in us all and we only need to be still and ask and all the crooked places can be made straight. Be must be honest with ourselves. When do we feel best inside? When we make someone happy or when you get angry at them. We all must take part in freedom and support for all peoples of the world and make our Creator proud of us.
HEY! If we don’t at least try to hold his feet to the fire, who will?
No one’s going to do this FOR us. We ARE our own bailout, ladies!
we have to do MORE than sign a petition people…we have to hurt the culprits financially.
All apologies, and I don’t mean this to offend, not indicative of gay people whatsoever, but somehow, I can’t help but get the impression all this misogyny is simply a bunch of self hating, self important closet queens, both democratic and republican, bashing a woman. (Clinton)
I mean, when you come right down to it, as allegory.
Again, no slur intended, I apologize if I have offended.
Pat,
That is a wonderful cartoon.Just exactly the analogy I have used to explain the democrat party. A nice shiny rock but when you picked it up and looked underneath..
The women in this country are not as strong as they should be even having the opportunity to live in the the most “developed country” in the world. They let Hillary and themselves down. They did not stand by her, so no one is to blame but themselves.
If they had stood and made a statement that they would not allow another woman to be treated as Hillary and Sarah were treated by either not voting for Obama no matter what Michelle or Obama or Chris Matthews said or voting for McCain, it would have sent a message loud and clear to the media and the public in general that women have a voice. Sadly, I did not see that. The overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Very Sad, highly disappointing.
I am very disappointed in the women in America and sadly, yes, women were set back many years and for women in developing countries, centuries. I hold the women of this country responsible.
No, I will NOT sign a petition.
I have said this several times, only to have some crazy woman here attack me too…It’s okay for women not to agree on issues…I wish the abortion thing would stop being the reason women vote for the wrong candidate as it’s sort of an old and tired argument. Nevertheless, disagreeing with Hillary or Palin is fine…but the way WOMEN came out in droves with their fangs out was embarrassing to me as a woman. And, yes, those so called “feminists” who I contend are jealous malcontents, just set us all back 100 years and our sisters around the world. There’s NO EXCUSE for what women did to other women this election. Now we pay for it.
After reading a bit of the Women Count blog, it seems that they are for women if the women are of their politics. They list the women they were backing in various races, even choosing when 2 women were running against each other. They also write about supporting various propositions on balots and request that the reader’s show the same support.
Gender inequality, sexism, mysogyny, etc. are used as political weapons. It seems to me that a commission to address gender issues must not be politically motivated or show any sign of political preference. Otherwise, there will be division right off the bat, just as politics caused division among women during the primary and general elections.
I was going to sign the petition and offer support to this group, but have decided I need to know more about their philosophy and agenda first. There has been so much hurt this year that I would hate to see a commission on gender issues rise to prominence only to see it fall apart due to political issues or worse yet, see the media cause a rift by inserting politics into the coverage. Here is an entry in their blog that demonstrates my concern. Note their obvious political bias and opposition to Palin regarding her pro-life choice:
Yes, “it was not the right woman”.
Like Chanel #5 its a classic that will never go out of style.
I was so disappointed to witness the vitriol spewed by women against other women. Sandra Bernhard’s rant was so over the top against Sarah Palin that I don’t think I can stand to ever listen to Bernhard again. But she wasn’t the only one, and that was a sad eye opener to me.
That Sandra Bernhard thing was surreal. But there were so many more in Hollywood too. It broke my heart, literally, because I had NEVER seen AMERICA be so VICIOUS. When did we become such mean people? There was ZERO dignity or honor in this. Just the dirtiest bitchbiting that I have ever seen.
That will be what I remember most about the election of 2008 - the ugliness of it.
ME TOO! I still feel the cloud over me. A big old black cloud of hate that Fraudbama engendered in everyone. He has divided this country like I never thought it could be. But there’s SO much hate out there it’s scary. I NEVER remembered America like this.
I personally feel it is past time for petitions like this. If women as a group did not understand the clout and power they would have had in a President Hillary when they were given a chance, what good are these petitions now. Obama minions (some of them ignorant women) raided the barn and you’re going to close the door now, after some of them gave up the farm to him? In this election women are perhaps the most despicable group for what they did and in not understanding their own opportunity. They are trying to sugar coat it and pretend as being above gender issues without understanding how they have undermined themselves. All those media names like Couric, Sawyer, Walters.. — the list is long — are corporate whores trying to please their corporate masters.
But with Hillary in foggy bottom we now know Obama wasn’t sexist! She’s in control of foreign policy, so we can all feel safe and confident! I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME WHEN HILLARY COULD PROTECT US!!! With no quarter given on issues of our security…our security is in the BEST POSSIBLE HANDS!
As Trixa says below, um no it doesn’t.
It just means he is willing to be her boss and dictate what he wants her to do. It also means he gets to continue to copy her homework.
He is sooooooo not off the hook for his actions.
Thank you Pat, Done.
I hope I live long enough to the day when ….
“But with Hillary in foggy bottom we now know Obama wasn’t sexist! ”
Obama is sexist and a misogynist—period!
but he has made her in charge of foreign policy! am I the only one happy for this???
I do not trust him with a mouse, I do not trust him in the house, I do not trust him with our girl, i do not trust him with our world…
the SoS duties:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/96.htm
well, let’s see, the Ofraud picks Hillary as SOS and the crowd goes wild…even the Obots are saying, “let bygones be bygones, all will be well under our masters rule” and disappointingly I’m seeing people here once so against Ofraud now picking up the cheering section for him along with the Obots…this petition, who is really behind it? Much like I question who is behind Ofraud? No one really knows…how can someone who has done nothing become POTUS is totally beyond my comprehension…it’s very scary and I can honestly say I find it hard to recognize this country lately. Women will get equality when they refuse to wear t-shirts with c**t written on them, they will get equality when they stop supporting candidates who are openly sexist but most of all, they will get equality when they stop gouging each other’s eyes out. I am a woman and was totally disgusted by the majority of women supporting sexism towards women. When women open their eyes and begin to believe they deserve equality then I will sign any petition but I don’t see that happening. I have to agree with Mimi on this one. We are our own worst enemy when we can celebrate Hillary getting once again below the fraud instead of where she rightfully belonged…as POTUS.
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