what stage are you in?
By American Girl in Italy on November 22, 2008 at 11:15 AM in Abuse, Clinton, DNC idiocy, Gender Bias
I haven’t been doing much writing the last few days, instead I have been thinking, reading and observing. I just finished reading the threads from Welcome Back, Find Some Reason, and Larry’s comments:
“I take back nothing I have written about Barack and Michelle Obama. That said, I don’t want to see them destroyed or to fail. For the sake of our country I hope that Barack has a successful Presidency. While I am not happy he is in the big chair, it is what it is. I do not require anyone to bow down at the altar of Obama. But I also do not prohibit or ban folks who do. For me the beauty of America is our diversity. We have got to learn how to disagree without going into pure visceral hatred.”
and, “I simply point out the reality that he will be sworn in as President. And at that point we judge him by what he does and not what he was. Is that fair?”
Reading all the comments by all of you, and emails from my family and friends, I am still as perplexed as ever. How do we move forward? How do we hold the DNC accountable for all the crap they pulled this election cycle? How do we still hold Obama’s feet to the fire on his promises, and his policies, but hope for a positive outcome for our country?
How do we *move on* after suffering personal attacks, witnessed character assassinations on some of our favorite people, and witnessed the most vile sexist attacks on women across the country, (Hillary supporters were victims to many sexist attacks on blogs and in the media.) as well as on two leading women in our government. It was impossible for many to not take those attacks personally.
As angry as many of us are, or were, or will always be, I don’t think that anyone truly wants America to *fail*. Perhaps there still are those who want Obama’s presidency to fail, but a country as a whole? I don’t think anyone really wants that. They want justice. People, in my opinion, are feeling victimized, and want justice. Some are demanding justice.
But there are also people in this country who are truly worried, even scared. Their businesses are failing, their nest eggs are drying up, we are watching our banks and car companies fail. Healthcare is…well, you know. People are scared. And some people, whether they voted for Obama or not, are at a point where they are hoping for a successful four years - because they NEED it. It is serious. And people are scared and worried.
I read some comments in response to UBM, that it is easy for those who *won* to come and kiss and make up, or gloat. And that is true. They *won*. They are happy. They are moving on. But, many of us, are not there yet.
It is very similar to the 7 stages of grief. (and I don’t mean this in a joking way…I see very similar patterns. And I am sure I will get mocked for this, but I think it is important.) And I am not trying to reduce people’s feelings to a flow chart. I am trying to understand and deal.
People process differently. Some people deal, and move on. Some people grieve for long periods of time. Some people take things so personally, like they have been punched in the gut, others laugh things off.
But, I think it is a disservice to tell those who are feeling as if they are grieving from the past two years, to *get over it*. Larry or Susan are NOT doing that - but I do think it is happening, whether Obama supporters here, or on many of the sites I read. And I do think that some people are moving forward faster than others. People will *get over* it - if and when they are ready - and that may be never, for some.
Like I said in my first post after the 4th, I want to *feel good* about what had happened but I remember too much, and am still too angry. I still get pissed about things that happened. But, I want to try and get to a point where I am hopeful, and think that we can fix all that *ails us*. I do, I know that people are really truly worried, and truly are praying/hoping/wishing for change/help/relief - putting the *Obamamania* aside. (I would love to be excited about the prospect of Hillary as SoS, but after all the VP rigamoroll, I am hesitant to even ponder the possibilty. And I wasn’t sure if I could stomach the new round of attacks that were sure to come - talking to you Tweety and Hitchens!)
Just as important as Obama’s victory was to his 65M supporters, the damage and ridicule and attacks and stolen delegates and voter fraud and sexism was just as real to those who supported Hillary or McCain and Palin. Having spent two years, glued to my computer, writing and reading and absorbing all I could, it was very personal and very real.
I have said before, that from the moment I typed *I support Hillary* on the keyboard, I was attacked and called racist, stupid, voting for a vagina, an idiot, and worse. Perhaps I am a sensitive idiot, but I lost sleep and even was brought to tears a few times by the attacks (from people at HuffPo). But I never gave up. I left those types of sites, but I never gave up. It was my right to fight for Hillary, and I tried. So, for people to tell me it isn’t real, or that I should get over it, just don’t understand, or know me at all.
I think one of the worst things about this whole process is the shear lack of respect for *the other side* and for our choices, and now for our *feelings*. (I know, I know… mock away). Personally, from the moment I began this quest, Obama supporters destroyed any chance of civil exchange, where I was concerned. It was so bad, I found myself huddled with fellow Clinton supporters in a handful of sites, where trolls were somewhat limited. I read NQ daily, but didn’t comment much, just because I couldn’t take the personal attacks/trolls.
And I don’t understand why someone like Undercover Black Man (sorry, UBM but you are topical at the moment) intentionally sought out to mock PUMAs and ridicule those not supporting Obama. Isn’t backing your candidate of choice your right? Aren’t our opinions and thoughts just as valid as anyone’s? Why does the failure to conform and join the Hope Express result in charges of racism? I think civil debates on qualifications, experience, judgment and policies would have been so much more productive. I honestly feel that my attitudes towards Obama and the things I chose to write about and discuss suffered because of the attacks I had suffered from the get go, and then the actions of the DNC, and the atrocious media. I became a bitter, angry Obama hater. And that is not an easy thing to get over.
All I wanted to do was debate, and exchange ideas and information and learn some things, and be involved. I was so excited about the prospect of Hillary becoming President, something I had been waiting 12 years for. And then, having an African American, and a Hispanic in the mix was just *too cool*! But, instead of a *dream team* year, it became a nightmare.
But, I don’t want to live in this nightmare, and I don’t want to remain bitter and angry. I like being happy, and positive and I want our country to do well! (I would be MUCH happier if Hillary were Commander in Chief…) but it is not to be. No matter how pissed I am about it, how it became so, and the things that were done, it is what it is. Now, I just need to figure out how to take that anger and make positive changes. Whether that means campaigning against him in 4 years, or fighting alongside HLF and others to change the system, or voting out all those who supported Obama, and boycotting all those stations that we now hate, or sucking it up, and trying to do what I can to be positive, or whatever! I still haven’t figured it out.
We, as a country went through an enormous shock on 9/11, and since that time, we have gone to war, lost more than 4000 soldiers, suffered massive drops on the stock market, seen videos of terrorist threats, had the anthrax scares, seen rising costs in housing, gas, food and healthcare, our image has suffered around the world. And this election was very, very important to all of us here. Whether you voted Obama or Hillary, or McCain, it was very important for all of the reasons I listed, and more (Many AA Obama supporters had their own real reasons). We supported our candidate because of all that we have been through, and seen, and we felt that person to be the best to lead us through. It was personal, and it was real. (who knows, maybe the guys on the park benches DID vote for a reason…)
So, after reading all the hundreds of comments, my whole point was to demonstrate how, I believe, people are in a a sense going through the seven stages of grief. And it is a process that everyone needs to go through, at their own pace. (and I do not think the seventh stage - HOPE - means that you have to swallow the kool-aid, and worship at the feet of Obama, I just think it is a stage where we discover our own way to move forward, however that may be. I think I am feeling a little bit of stage four…)
So, I am not trying to preach, or tell people to get over it, or to act like I am some psychotherapist. My intent is to just let those *doubters* out there know, that for many of us, the feelings are deep and they are real.
1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.
2. PAIN & GUILT-
As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs. You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn’t do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.
3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion. You may rail against fate, questioning “Why me?” You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair (”I will never drink again if you just bring him back”)
4. “DEPRESSION”, REFLECTION, LONELINESS-
Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be “talked out of it” by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving. During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.
5. THE UPWARD TURN-
As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your “depression” begins to lift slightly.
6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-
As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.
7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-
During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.
I also think this site has some similarities into how some people are feeling. I know I do. From Victim to Survivor, The Emotions of the Abuse Survivor.
I love debate. I love alternate thought. That is how I learn. As someone said, without alternative thought, we are an echo chamber. All I, *personally* wish, is that we are civil. I am not saying we can’t swear, I love swearing, dammit. But, rabid attacks are just crazy. I am even one who loves good conspiracy theories. I think they are sometimes fun….but that is just me. Heck, there is even room to learn while searching out theories…. I just wish the internet wasn’t so anonymous, and people discussed and debated as if they were in the same room together. (so, don’t get mad at NQ, this is just my own opinion.)
And, one other note… man, get me started and I never shut up… I want to thank NQ and the writers and Hill supporters here who were a gift this past year. I love ya, man! Thank goodness I found ya’ll!
Ok, let the mocking and/or debate begin. :O)
(I say mock, because I know how other sites like to point back at us, and mock…)
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So glad you posted this AGII. Thanks. I don’t have the most pleasant answer to that.
First, I don’t care WHO gets all hopey dopey about Fraudbama, I hate his guts and I wish him the WORST. I pray that every single day one of his filthy dirty criminal acts gets exposed and that, should he make it to the White House, he gets impeached. I pray every day that the BC, Rezko, Voter Fraud, Illegal Donations, etc. catch up with him. I don’t agree that it’s best to lie down like a beaten DOG and take his crap. I’m American. We don’t DO that. We dissent. I am disgusted that Democrats rolled over and voted for him. I hope they are the first people in the soup lines. I am appalled that more people aren’t SCARED TO DEATH about us getting blown off the frigging planet, especially with big mouth OBiden around. Yeah, yeah, give me a break about Hillary. You want me to get all weepy over a woman who couldn’t even STOP this jackass from CAUCUS FRAUD. How the hell is she going to stop his lunatic policies? I am tired of people accepting things like the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, or CIVILIAN MILITARY FORCE. WHAT - THE - F**K - IS - WRONG - WITH - EVERYONE? THOSE THINGS ARE NOT OKAY. Do you REALLY think our loved ones, past and present who fought and continue to fight for our rights think we should “go quietly into the night” while we are raped of our freedoms? Do NOT tell me I am hyperobolic…these things that APPALL me are on Fraudbama’s agenda and on their way to US. You are in DENIAL if you think otherwise. It will hit you harder when it happens then. What do I plan to do? In my own little corner of the world I can continue to document EVERY MINUTE of these past VILE two years that keep me from sleeping at night. I can preserve it in film so that people think AGAIN before they vote for someone who thinks he’s Chavez, Castro and Hitler all rolled into one. And if you think wing nuts like Rahm are going to help you, you should go listen to his interview about the Civilian Military Force. If you’re not disgusted you’re not American. PERIOD. That is NOT what AMERICA IS. I thank God every day that there ARE people all over this country that tirelessly give their time and money to stop this fraud. One way or another, I believe these people will be successful. I’m giving them the money and time I can too. I don’t give a damn if he gets into office, we will all still fight. I don’t take fraud lightly. Or criminal activity. I come from a long line of lawyers and judges and we don’t do those things. And I know everyone is going to say “Get over it. It’s okay that Fraudbama has committed the biggest F U on America - hey George Bush did it.” That argument is old, tired and bullshite. I’ve had it with that. He’s gone. And all I can do it fight to save my country. So, longwinded explanation…I’m at 5. I am no longer suicidal, leaving my country (I hope) or clinically depressed. I am still angry, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel because I remember that I am AMERICAN, that my father risked his life for me and for EVERYONE HERE, and if people don’t appreciate it and want to watch it destroyed, great. Not me. I go down fighting. Period. If he comes near ONE of my rights, I will march in Washington until I drop. I will write letters, file lawsuits, you name it. He’s not MY President and never will be. Funny, due to his BC crap, he’s probably not YOUR President either LOL. Sorry, I wish I could get all kumbaya with people here. But I personally think bending over and taking it is REPUGNANT and I never will. Thanks for letting me vent. And please don’t attack me with 100 George Bush did it comments. I don’t love Bush, but I think Fraudbama is a whole other breed of cat. Much more dangerous.
GOOD GOD FRAUD– your a solid hater. Just like me, or me just like you. ;(
Ohm says,
The Resistance in this person is measured as:
FIRST RATE
THANKS AMERICAN GIRL for a great post with which no sane person can dis-agree!
Now, thanks go to NO Quarter for posting HILLARY’S ‘LIVING HISTORY’ book. I just read it last week! It’s a joy to read and cherish and gives you some read non-media insights into this great Woman’s legacy which will be showing at the World Stage Theatre soon!….
Pumas wait for Madam Secretary of State to shine…and HEAL THIS WOUNDED WORLD! The barbaric, brutal Bush-wounds must heal….
Keep on showing HILLARY’S GREAT BOOKS on NO QUARTER..
you are 100% valid in your beliefs and feelings, and how you will deal/handle things moving forward. that is what i was getting at. we are all different. some are more willing to accept and move on, some will fight until their very last breath. and no one should tell anyone to *get over it*. just as those who are choosing how they will deal with it by accepting, and hoping for the best, should be allowed their feelings as well. some are doing so for their own sanity….but i really don’t think nq or the writers are getting kumbayaish or drinking the kool-aid. people are just trying to *deal* the best they can.
it seems to me that stages 5 & 6 are the most productive in this case.
and thanks for venting! :O)
Thank you AGII…Really. The only sanity I have is having places to come where my feelings are understood. God knows I can’t talk to most of Hollywood about this stuff LOL. Again, thanks. Whew do I feel better getting THAT off my chest. And please know that I DO respect how EVERYONE here is dealing with this. I am sure the ones who are handling it better get more sleep than I do
i sometimes feel like i am having panic attacks when i try to go to sleep and start thinking about the primary! haha *serenity now serenity now*
it is a toughie…
Every time I see that one segment of our film, the AA woman who was outside the voting place in Gary, Indiana, where the two nasty azz Obama AA THUGS sat outside on lawn chairs and threatened all the Hillary voters and told them “if they were there to vote for Hillary Clinton, they wouldn’t be voting today.” I see that in my head all day. Ughhh….Yeah, then it’s “take a breath, take a deeeeep breath.”
oooooh i forgot about that!
don’t get me all riled up again! haha
i believe in kharma, and you reap what you sow and all that…i believe that one day, kharma is gonna get him. him or the dnc. and the media.
American-Italian Girl
Yup! I know what these ‘panic attacks’ are like during and post-primary…Is it a dream or did the junior male senator with the great baritone voice and zilch skills really win the election? The woman who fought and should have won had the nomination STOLEN from her by a team of thugs and the media misogynist frat-boys who pushed BHO to a fraudulent ‘finish’line of superdels….What a farce.
But now, let’s cheer both Barry and HIllary and wish them the BEST. She’s a “family girl” that Hillary Diane,she truly is. And a loyal American girl at that. She’d be the most loyal SOS the country ever seen.
I would be surprised if Hillary didn’t heal the great Palestinian -Israel chasm. There’s a group of women in both Israel and Palestine who’ve been working together for PEACE for decades. Their voices will now be heard….
I believe I’m slowly going insane….when I start responding to myself and accusing myself of being tooooo peaceful, toooo conciliatory….toooo forgiving of the Neophyte jerk who stole the nomination from The Woman….
I will not forget nor forgive. But I am reflecting in a saner, hopeful manner….could I have begun the healing….I’d be caught dead before I wished BOTH Barry and Hillary “good luck”…
Let’s just wait and see what this new pup in the White does with his litter (I mean Barry Soetoro-Hussein Obama, whatever….”
Hhis wife sure looks as if she never passed the STAGE OF ANGER, tho! She scares me with her cluelessness about human rights issues (I mean women’s issues!)
You are 100% entitled to your opinion and feelings. Perhaps, however, you could look at yourself and see how ‘your side’ did its share of mocking, belittling, trolling and hateful attacks against the Obama supporters. Have a look at past postings on noquarter as well as the hundreds of hate obama sites….and then tell me that you deserve to be victims any more than those you are continually attacking.
by the way, please post all of these hateful attacks on you…i have been following many blogs for the past 6 months, yours included. I have never seen anything ‘hateful’ against you at all…but would like to see what you are referring to. thanks
Don’t know where you have been. In summary, we were usually called racist, insane, menopausal, KKK members. What else, guys? Help me out here. We had a large contingent of Obot trolls attacking us here everyday on every thread. So I do not believe you came here regularly.
CAN WE PLEASE STOP SAYING ‘YOU GUYS’ and ‘OH, MAN!” please try to use genderically neutral grammatical skills, like:
“YOU GALS” and “OH, Gal”….
now, kindly direct me to a destination you deem fit….
I can tell you one place I never went and that is a pro Obama site to bash your side. It really proves just how heavily the anti Obama people were harrassed that you even think to comment on a site that is opposite your own beliefs. Even now, you are incapable of allowing us to share with like minded people our thoughts without barging in and making accusations.
Of course barging in on anti Obama sites you read far less than complimentary words directed to those who chase us, what do you expect? That we would thank you for calling us racist? Sorry, it will not happen. At the beginning of the primary season, I subscribed to Newsweek and purchased the local newspapers. When I saw which way the wind was howling, I stopped buying those pieces of what I call propaganda. Perhaps what I saw as and still see as an immature attitude on the part of the Obama media saved me from ever wanting to join the party.
Perhaps there were some who did venture to visit your sites, many did not. Yet your side still stalks those who feel at home here. before you complain again, remember that not all of us are guilty of what you accuse us of.
I did not post on the pro-Obama sites and never will. I think there are many of us who fit that description.
me included.
I was “BANNED” from HuffiePost! Too pro-Hillary was a journalistic crime…
are you talking to me? If so, well… i had numerous death threats left on my blog. I had someone for weeks leaving me comments that they wanted to rape me with graphic descriptions, and brought my husband into it, i had rude ass hateful comments left constantly, and was called every name in the book. Also, someone left comments telling me they were watching me, and had been for along time, and they were going to *get* me. If you read my blog, and never saw them, it is because i didn’t approve them for posting. (that is why I had to make my site moderated, and finally not allow anonymous comments) But, I did save the IP addresses, and sent them on to the FBI (the death threats) and to the web serving companies. and as for when i started chatting on huffpo, etc. i was called racist and worst names there. So, yea, I think I can say that I have been attacked online.
Obama Is A Fraud,
Thank you, thank you, thank you !!!!
You have read my mind and said everything that I’ve been thinking, but didn’t know how to say.
My ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War and all my life I have been taught that their sacrifice was something that I was to be eternally proud of, and that our Constitution was something that I should always strive to support and fight for.
I do not consider Obama to be my president, and I am not grieving for Hillary Clinton. She proved herself to be just another politician looking out for herself. How she could campaign for him after the bashing she took from him is more than I can fathom. Her attitude shows (IMO) a lack of character. She know as well as the rest of us that his background and possible ineligibity are questionable, but she is so power hungry that the good of our country is not as important to her as a place in the cabinet.
Now that Clarence Thomas has paid attention to Phil Berg’s lawsuit, maybe we will see the tide turn. Whether it does or not, I agree with you that this is another breed of cat we are dealing with and we had all better be very aware.
As “insightanalytical” has on her Puma website the watchwords “Alert and Aware”, should be the theme of the day.
Well, for a history lesson…The Revolutionary War that GAVE everyone here the rights they have to sit around free, blogging all day, was about TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Now we have an idiot who thinks that paying 80-90% of your income to HIM so he can “SPREAD THE WEALTH” to Africa is a good idea. Global Poverty Act? ROFLMAO. That right there should start people thinking of a revolt. Anyway, this country was FOUNDED on the notion that unfair taxation was wrong. Let Fraudbama try it on me. I didn’t get to protest Vietnam because I was too young. Now’s MY chance.
Exactly. And the Revolutionary War was started over TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Fraudbama already has plans to tax us 75-80% of our income, and then “spread the wealth” to those who refuse to work, and his friends and family in Africa under this Global Poverty Act CRAP. Good luck with that one Fraudbama. I don’t think in the position we are in people are going to quietly let you take their money, leave them in poverty, and send that money OVERSEAS. I’m surprised more people here don’t talk about the Global Poverty Act BS. 845 Billion of our money to OTHER COUNTRIES. I can’t WAIT until he tries it. Americans will become Americans real fast on that one.
Obama is a fraud, I think you are going to make yourself ill! Sometimes politics can make you really go crazy and it helps to take some time away, spend it with family and friends and engage in positive activity. Just don’t let yourself get so overwhelmed!
Also, I think part of what is giving such anxiety is stuff that isn’t even true. You’re misinformed on that taxes stufff. I don’t think Obama is going to be taxing 75-80% of anyone’s income. LOL.
Lorelei…Why don’t you go look at what people in OTHER countries pay in taxes and then talk to me about what I said? Fraudbama isn’t going to have the MONEY for all of his PLANS. Where will he GET IT? You. Me. I have read your posts Lorelei and you tend to attack people a lot for what they think. No offense, but the point of this thread was for us to share. I did and I am happy about it. I’m no longer miserable. I’m dedicated to a cause. Don’t worry, I will be fighting for YOUR freedoms too and you can thank me later.
A TAX POEM FOR US TO SHARE
Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table
At which he’s fed.
Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat.
Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries
Tax his tears.
Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways
To tax his a–.
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won’t be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till He’s good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he’s laid.
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
‘Taxes drove me
to my doom…’
When he’s gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Death Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State I Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middleclass in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’
And I still have to ‘press 1′ for English!?
GO AHEAD - - - BE AN AMERICAN!!!
So for those of you who are thinking you won’t FEEL Fraudbama’s crazy tax schemes…If he raises every one of those taxes above, you WILL feel it. You will feel it in retail, gas, food, and the loss of your income.
Bravo OIAF, Most people don’t have a clue about how ubiquitous yet hidden most taxes are. If you don’t follow a planted grain of wheat all the way to the loaf of bread at the market, you’ll never understand just how much the taxes along the way add to the price of that loaf of bread. Take away the taxes and the loaf you pay a dollar for would probably cost a quarter, or less. The only taxes most people seem to recognize are income taxes and sales tax at the source.
Add to taxes the huge cost of compliance with many piontless federal and local regulations, and government starts to imitate the kind of destructive parasite that eventually sucks the life out of it’s host. It is no longer a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship.
ObamaIsaFraud: Excellent listing of all known taxes we all pay, but there are taxes we pay that are hidden taxes: Taxes we pay on items we use on a daily basis that are passed on to us consumers by the processors or manufacturers. Items as bird seed, dog food, etc.
Paragraph key. Look into it.
Enter key. Dumbass.
@Obama is a fraud
Well said! Thank you for saying what many of us feel.
Count me as another one who will NOT roll over like so many are now willing to do.
Sorry- not happening with me and THANK GOD there are people like you still out there. You are fantastic. Obama is a repugnant vile lowlife. Plain and simple. I will never accept him. Seeing his filthy face and that of his horse face wife makes me puke, and always will. And no, I do not need to wait and see. I know he will be a disaster- worse than Bush. If anyone is happy about this nightmare, it’s Bush- If Obama finishes a term the title of Worse President Ever will belong to him. Only thing to look forward to now is his removal from office.
Denise, Thanks. And you are right. Bush is probably laughing his azz off that he gets out of this being called the SECOND worst President in US history. Hands down Fraudbama wins First Prize in 4 years.
I really think it is best for this country in the long haul if Obama doesn’t do a good job. If he does this amazing job then fraud, propaganda, cult-like behavior in politics, and media bias will continue and we will become a Banana Republic in no time.
People need to see through the hype and the only way for that to happen is a somewhat painful four years. I don’t want them to be so bad that America collapses, but they should be tough enough so people learn their lesson and don’t get caught up in hype again in the future.
Hillary or Bust…In an odd way, the only few moments I have of relief are that we are in such a devastating place in this country, and Fraudbama and the nuts in Congress are soooo not ready to deal with it, that there is really no way for Fraudbama to succeed. No, of course I do not wish my country to be destroyed. But the minute idiots elected a guy who won’t put his hand over his heart, hates the flag, thinks the Consitution is “flawed,” etc. we were doomed. If you list the ten things that make us AMERICAN, they are all ten things Fraudbama hates and wants changed. Now he wants to change the Flag. Are you kidding? America as we know it is gone. Values? Where are they? Didn’t this race tell us that there is no honor left? So, yeah, let Fraudbama have his bought and paid for BS Presidency. Let him fail. And let the DNC frauds who did this get the backlash.
I agree. If fraudbama is not held accountable for his lies, his corrupt ties, his race baiting and vile sexist behavior, then here’s the lesson we’re teaching the next generation….”hey, it’s not a crime if you don’t get caught.” eff that! of course I don’t want america to fail, but I sure want justice against this swine who stole the nation’s highest office under false pretense. I’d like to see his hate filled wife to be excommunicated to africa where she and he so long to be.
Right. They are here to drink the fruit of the vine, but they don’t want to water or till the soil. They want to sit back, complain and slander this Nation while sucking up what it has to offer. Despicable behavior, and unconscionable from the President Elect and his delightful wife.
Nice. Now do you see what I am talking about American Girl?? This is the norm at the obama hate sites….don’t kid yourself.
janet…if you come to a thread entitled “what stage are you in?” WTF were you expecting. Of course I hate Obama. I hate criminals, liars, thieves, sexist pigs and racists. I’m pretty proud of that. It means my daddy and mommy raised me with good values LOL.
Some folks just don’t get it.
Don’t kid yourself janet, and don’t you dare come here and preach to us about hate. Did you see any of the Hillary and PUMA hate sites from the Obots, or was your head buried in the sand?? What about the “Bros before Hoes” shirts? Or let’s not forget the “Palin is a c***” t-shirts. And how many times were we called racists, bi****, c****, and a bevy of other epithets and insults for supporting Hillary, McCain and Palin.
right…and I didn’t hear one death threat issued against obama supporters??? if so we would have heard it 24-7 from the msm…yet the death threats and there were many went unreported against hillary and I didn’t hear the msm mention once about mccain’s bus being shot at.
Almost anything that would help Hillary or McCain or that would make Obama look bad was ignored. The fix was in from the beginning. Far from the new politics hopium changy nonsense, we were subjected to a sham election that for all intensive purposes was made in one of those smoke filled backrooms from the days of yore. Our election was NOT democratic at all. And this next president is NOT legitimate and never will be. I will do my part to keep reminding him and his supporters of this. If he is successful by some miracle, I won’t care. That does not wipe out what he and his supporters did. Its inexcusable.
people hate obama. people hate george bush. what do you expect? that is politics. people have a right to criticize their president, and are entitled to think what they want. the difference is they express their anger on this site. obama supporters troll anti-obama sites and insult those who criticize obama. people defend obama as if he is their uncle or father. you don’t know obama any more than any of us do. how do you know he is a good person? obama supporters issue death threats and worse, because we speak out against obama. you come here, and then get mad. easy solution - don’t come here. i don’t go to obama loving sites, and you don’t need to go to sites that don’t love obama.
i watched for 8 years as people BASHED Bush, hung effigys of him, and ripped him to shreads, and compared him to monkeys. but, now, those same people want to tell us that we can’t be pissed at obama?
Impeached…yeah…I’d like that. After he hires back all the aging rockstars of the Clinton Era so he’ll leave some adults in charge.
Thank you for stating your opinion so honestly and passionately. I cannot disagree with you on any of it. My father flew over 40 missions out of England during WWII to stop Hitler; my stepfather fought his way on foot, an inch at a time, up the middle of Iwo Jima for 32 days; a dear friend is on his way back to Iraq for the 4th time, and friends died in Vietnam. None of them did any of it so you and I could lose our democracy and our country through corruption and voter fraud. When I saw what transpired in the primary and general election campaigns, something snapped inside of me; I could not turn my back and pretend I had not seen what I saw. The only way for me to respond was to actively join the movement to prevent the takeover of our country by this uber hubristic fraud and his band of arrogant thugs. The knot that filled my stomach on election night has not diminished. I am more frightened about our future than ever before. And so, like you, I continue to join forces with other patriots and work to restore and preserve the rights and privileges that made our country great. I cannot ever let it be thought that these brave Americans fought or died in vain. I cannot ever believe our country and our proud system of government have been stolen. And when I think of all the patriots I met this year campaigning, at the conventions and in cyberspace, it reminds me that our 80% will ultimately, like Hillary, prevail once again.
Thank you, NQ, and thank you all for being here.
WELCOME TO CANADA!
Universal Health Care (thanks to Third Party system and minority governments) since l965–major cause for bankruptcies and home loss is NOT med. bills!
Guess what, our northern cousins have had WOMEN’S EQUALITY RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION since l982.
Hillary Clinton will be the GREATEST STATE SEC. EVER gracing Washington and may teach the world leaders a thing or two about Women’s Human Rights!.,…so stay till we know if Hussein can manage to drive the rolls royce with his 3rd rate chevy skills….ugh…
Great post. I’m in the stage of disbelief, much as when Bush was reelected–who are these Idiot Sheep?
Here’s a link that everyone should read, just so you’ll have some idea of who these people are. From Huff Chuck:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-handler/hi-my-name-is-evan-and-il_b_141650.html
I read the Huff post, Medusa. How illumininating. A blow job will save the world. Gives you a sense of how all those female supporters for “The One” are “really” viewed.
But, of course, this isn’t sexist. Oh no. Just good clean fun, a giddy blast of victory. An innocent, slap-happy “joke.”
Sickening. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Or regress. The next four years should be heaps of fun.
Sorry but I can’t read anything from Huffington Post. Those people are deranged. I used to go there everyday like I come to No Quarter now.
Arianna Huffington is an opportunist just like her messiah. She was a Republican up until a few years ago. She was married to a Republican politician.
The people at Huffington Post have given me a clearer understanding of how Hitler rose to power in Germany.
I have to agree with you there, 100%.
True enough. Fortunately, however, the powers that be over at HuffPo are dumb as coal buckets and aren’t likely to do much damage, except to themselves as a part of their attempt to win a Darwin ward.
ritamary
Ariana Huffie was educated in Athens University and then Oxford where she got her MA in Political Science I believe. She married a filthy=rich gay Republican, had kids and divorced him for a few million bucks to start her pretentious journalistic climb based on her Washington insider’s contacts.
In the early 90s, Washington women were abuzz when she sent an X-rated Xmas card featuring her two very young daughters in “mature” poses. She’s THAT clueless when it comes to Women’s human rights and what makes this society as sick as it is–thanks to feminism’s agnostics like Herself who worship the phallus more than their brains!
I can’t stand this intelligent, yet OBAMYOPICALLY-AFFLICTED HUFFIE! Ugh….
[...] what stage are you in? I haven’t been doing much writing the last few days, instead I have been thinking, reading and observing. I just finished reading the threads from Welcome Back, Find Some Reason, and Larry’s comments: “I take back nothing I have written about Barack and Michelle Obama. That said, I don’t want to see them destroyed or to fail. For the sake of our country I hope that Barack has a successful Presidency. While I am not happy he is in the big chair, it is what it is. I do not require anyone to bow [...]
Completely right. Accountability is the key word and is absolutely necessary.
The massive cheating and misogyny by the Dem Party/DNC/MSMBHO campaign, along with racism by BHO and bullies, have been shocking, sickening and heartbreaking to me. Add the massive illegal campaign donations to BHO, and I certainly have no respect for this person and hope scandal finally expels him from D.C.
My goals are election reform, campaign finance reform, and respect for women by women who fell prey once again to male misogyny and female misogyny. Until women vote as a block in the USA, we shall remain the Neanderthal patriarchy that we are.
I accept that DNC/BHO/Pelosi/Dean/Brazille cheated to put a puppet in place and the fascist MSM did a wonderful propaganda job on us all. We cannot forget that, and We the People must work to regain our Bill of Rights and free and fair elections.
“I simply point out the reality that he will be sworn in as President. And at that point we judge him by what he does and not what he was. Is that fair?”
I posted below, but it got eaten by moderation or something. You have echoed many of my thoughts. Voter suppression, manipulation, and fraud are NEVER acceptable. I don’t agree that he should not be judged by what he “was” at all. If that is true, then the Alinsky method of the end justifying the means will be proven quite successful and effective. It will also grant license to anyone to do the same, and worse, in the future. There have to be principles and standards. Bush & Co. have skated, and now Obama. Where does the moral relativism end? He is ILLEGITIMATE. I feel the same about him that I did about Bush. Not my president.
The country I wish well. Those two feelings are not mutually exclusive. I look beyond the figurehead to the people.
Ditto. Not my president.
I was peeved at what Nixon did. Peeved at what Reagan and North did. Peeved that B. Clinton didn’t have enogh respect for his office. Peeved at G.W.Bush and now at the Democratic Party and what they have handed us. Peeved at Obama and his slimey tactics. GOOD GOD! I have been pissed off for most of 35+ yeras about our elected (and Selected)leaders. No need changing at this late stage, especially to the kind of “change” i think Obama has in store for us.
>>> I have been pissed off for most of 35+ yeras about our elected (and Selected)leaders.
Me too. And it’s wearing me down.
It irritates me that we never saw Nixon in the dock, that the idiot Reagan is held to be some sort of secular god and that North isn’t, even now, in Leavenworth.
PS…I think people are confusing Fraudbama’s success with the success of our country. I don’t agree that accepting him helps our country. On the contrary, I think the sooner he is gone, the better off we are. Why does anyone think that him being there with his nonsense is good for us? Better to stop the train wreck before it starts. He’s not going to make the economy better. We are where we are. No one can dig us out of this mess in a month. No one. But the dangerous part is the irreparable damage of his freaky socialist nonsense that will be hard to reverse when the GOP takes over in 2012. (We all know that’s going to happen, so let’s admit it. If we have a country left, the last thing people will want is the far left continuing to thrash it).
i really don’t think he can do anything either. i do believe however, that there are a lot of americans who are scared, and hurting and are truly hoping for change/relief/whatever…
but, what do we do? unless these lawsuits manage to render him ineligible, he is going to be the POTUS. so, time will tell? short of voting him out in four years, what choice is there? if he sucks, he will be voted out.
To be honest AGII…I really do blame the media circus for this. I simply HAVE to have faith in America that people are not this stupid and would never have voted for this idiot if they KNEW THE TRUTH. One of the best weapons we have is exposure. The BC issue is crawling into the media. Slowly. Other things will come out. His voters WILL turn on him. There’s no doubt about that. These people voted like blind lemmings. No one stays stupid forever. In the meantime, new lawsuits get filed every day. One of the grass roots groups has 2.5 MILLION members. That’s a lot of firepower. I suspect it will be a lot of underground movements that fight tirelessly to expose him and hold him accountable. I am amazed at how hard these people are working, and I don’t see them stopping even if he gets into the WH. If we have to live through 4 horrible years, then I guess like I said exposure is the best we can do.
You are right about the people who wanted the change/relief. That’s another thing that bothers me. I think we will be seeing some very heartbroken folks when he doesn’t deliver, which he can’t.
Yes, accepting Bush didn’t help US. Indeed was an incredible disaster
Thank you for a great article.
Here’s where I am at.
I have a Nobama sign in my front yard and it’s not coming down until inauguration day.
I mute the TV everytime he talks.
I want to shout at every black person I see “are you happy now????” And, will you shut up now?
If the justices do not do the correct thing on December 5 and PROVE TO THE US citizens that Obama is legitimately qualified to be the President, I’m not sure how I will be about following the rules of the constitution. Why should we if it looks like Obama doesn’t have to?
I’m not doing too good, am I?
I’ve still got some stages to go through.
This isn’t about Black people. The dopey twenty six year old white boyz were the worst.
I am still in the Uphold The Constitution Stage and I hope that I never leave it.
If Obama (if he can) will supply legal credentials that he is eligible, I will give him (guardedly) a chance at being president. If he does not comply with the US Constitution, he cannot be president.
Wells
I stand by the Constitution and the rule of law as well. Put up or get out.
i agree. i don’t get why it is a big mystery.
Obama is an illegitimate Pres cause he stole the election cheating, threating, with an unfair, wrong and biased support (media)and with sex-discrimination.This is illegal and unethical and doesn’t matter if he’s electable as president.
How do I “move on” when my party told me in no uncertain terms to go away, far away and never come back.
The DNC needs to address this, or I can never move on. I am the injured member of this argument, not the instigator. I am the one that never moved from my respect of democratic principal, from love of the process, from knowing right from dead wrong. The DNC moved votes, changing their own rules to do so. They cheated and lied, ignored harassment, ignored decency, ignored their own members. I was one of the members ignored.
When you are trying so hard to play by the rules and the rules are changed against your will and against all traditions what do you do? How do you move on? How do you continue to ‘turn the other cheek’ when you have run out of cheeks? How do you forgive the unforgivable acts of vote tampering, undemocratic election fraud and the continuating denial of their actions?
How do you ever respect the un-respectable?
Isn’t there a point of no return when you can only move on by ending the relationship and refusing to repair the damage?
The place I find myself now is calm and DNC-free. I do not wish to re-engage with them. I do not care, frankly, whether they ever get it together. I do not care whether they ever re-instate proper rules. I do not care if their candidate, successful or not, makes a grand go of his tenure in office. I do not care if they are happy or miserable. I do not care how any of the democrats feel about any of this.
They kicked ME to the curb and smiled as they walked away. That is an image seared into my brain. It left tons of scarring behind.
I lived my entire life as a Democrat, I was loyal, I followed their rules, I worked and voted, I encouraged and argued on their behalf. They showed not one whit of loyalty, they did no work on my behalf and they enjoyed it immensely.
I have a duty to remember, to refuse help, to not enable them any longer. I call it ‘tough love’. There is a point where to continue helping them I am not helping them but enabling them. I would be complicate in their bad behavior if I forgave and then forgot. I would be an accomplice in their “criminal” behaviors. I am an American first and foremost. I am an independent person now and I will not go back to being their drone, surrogate or helper.
Their is a time when the wronged no longer owe anything, and I am there. It is time that the DNC face their bad behavior and do their own work at reparations. They must admit their wrong-doing. They must repair their own damage. They must change their own behavior.
Even the simple act of moving on with things is in fact forgiving. The basic idea is correct in that grieving is in order, but it is the DNC that must do the grieving. They must realize what it is that they lost and mourn that loss. It is now the only actual respect they can show that would have any meaning to me.
Until that day I wait patiently and hope for the bast. It is their move…….
Ginger- Thank you for writing what I feel.
Ginger,
There is a video at “insightanalytical” of Howard Dean giving a half-azzed apology for the bashing that was done during the campaigning. Go there and listen to and watch the video. Be sure you have a basin in your hands when you do because, like me, you will probably have a tendency to throw up.
Well put. It is the Democratic Party that needs to grieve as they killed the old and became new. I am not coming to terms with or getting over this election. It was transformational. As Ginger said, I owe them nothing, and it is liberating.
i am not sure what to say here. the stages of denial in some ways apply and in some don’t. we are met with shocks everyday so it is hard for the process to be completed. i share the same feelings and concerns that the more active posters do. in fact i have debated with ann and others who sometimes don’t appear to understand what we are saying.
but i have to tell you i am tired of the constant negativity. i despise the media. nancy pelosi makes me want to puke. obama disgusts me. no i am no fan. but i have a life and don’t want it to one long compalint. so what to do is a good question.
Stodgie -
The negativity is part of a narcisstic personality. Be prepared for it to get worse anytime Obama’s feelings get hurt, he in turn wants to hurt others.
I skipped stages 1,2, & 3 and landed in stage 4 on election night. I think I have moved through stage 5 -on to stage 6. But I am very leery of an Obama presidency. The old adage- “The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior” applies here.
Looks like the Unity Pony is trying to make a comeback. LOL.
Yes, isn’t it funny. Seems scare tactics are such a successful control tool to use toward Am. who dared to question and demand accountability. Does anyone wonder why nothing changes, but gets worse?
Unity can only be reached when there is consensus and there is no consensus that the incompetent usurper is the “best thing” for the US. Obama is where he is through blatant deceit, threat of violence, media spectacle. He was not vetted nor was there an honest serious national debate about what his qualifications were vs the other candidates for Americans to now rally behind him. Hope and change? Please….
There are no stages here. My beliefs are the same, whether it’s Jr, Jr’Jr or any other puppet installed. No emotional upheaval here - as nothing changed since December 15 2000.
Som here comes the new surge:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/the-afghanistan-surge/
You know, the stages of grief only work sequentially if there is one event that initiates the grief. Obama and the DNC are freakin’ gifts that keep on giving! Every time you think you’ve seen the worst, you get to start all over again at stage number one. I am at all of the levels depending on the issue and I doubt that will change because I’m sure Obama and crew will continue delivering all kinds of fresh new hells to deal with.
i am with you.. i get kicked back to the beginning constantly. but, i do go through the stages.
Hey. I’m honored that you commented. I think you’re pretty cool and you live in one of the best places.
hehe thanks! you seem pretty cool too. ;O)
italy is pretty cool, too!
I used to go to Rome twice a year for work. God, I miss that city; the color of it, the way it envelops you and makes you forget there are other places in the world.
As far as what stage I’m at personally? Fatigued. Raw anger wears you out. I’m at the point where you know you’ve been handed a rotten hand, but you’re forced to play it out, one way or the other. I don’t have any hope or faith in an Obama presidency, but I hope it’s not a complete disaster because I live here, have children and will one day have grandchildren.
I don’t have a strategy beyond staying awake and keeping my eyes wide open. Am I still angry? Yes. But I’ve dialed the rage back for my own sanity. I’m somewhat encouraged by HRC’s acceptance of the State position [at least one department will run correctly], but I also have conflicted feelings about a superior candidate in position #3.
Can I go forward? What choice is there? Going backwards is not an option. Will I forget? Never. And I suspect that’s where we’ll all be, eventually. And then, plan for the future [which I "hope" is still out there].
i think you best described where i am currently.
Peggy Sue,
My thoughts, your words. Excellent comment. That’s where I am too, like AGinI. I’m exhausted. I have some personal issues that need all of my attention and energy right now. I’m not thrilled that HRC will be SOS because I just don’t trust Obama but it is what is and I will keep him on notice.
Well said PeggySue; you describe very well where many of us are. And this:
will be perhaps the most crucial thing we should all take with us as we move forward.
Excellent post, American Girl In Italy…I’m with you in believing that everyone deserves at least a chance to at least demonstrate how they will perform before passing any judgement. We’ll just have to wait and see if the president-elect’s pretty speeches and promises translate into actual meaningful actions…
http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/
My stage now is getting very, very close to acceptance. I’m not THERE yet but I hope to get there soon.
My sister is an Obama supporter and she basically bombards me with e-mails day after day. She’s never gloated; she just wants me to come to terms with what’s happening. Mostly, she sends me bios of the people in the new administration (to prove that they are capable and progressive) and every time he appoints a woman she puts in all caps with many exclamation marks…
She’s trying really hard. So I’m going to have to try as well. The one thing I have never felt or thought is that I would this administration to be a failure. And whenever I see someone write on this site, I wince. I find that unpatriotic. The truth is that we really DO have big, huge problems. That our economy is melting down. I pray fervently that Obama will succeed and help the country recover from the Bush years. I think that’s what ALL of us should do.
And I know that’s why Hillary is going to take the job at the State Department. And she’s going to a GREAT job. She has the most important cabinet position of all and that gives me some small comfort.
So yeah, I am hoping by inauguration day I will be able to just be calm and at peace about this whole exhausting campaign.
I put dopey relatives in SPAM a long time ago. Your sister belongs there. Or purgatory.
The US Constitution and the SCOTUS are our only salvation..plz read CArmy Ranger.com Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Supreme court judge to review eligibility for Presidency ———–Supreme Court Ruling on Obama’s Eligibility for Presidency——–Supreme Court Ruling on Obama’s Eligibility for Presidency —–http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm ——-Nov. 18, 2008–Supreme Court Of The United States (SCOTUS) Justice David Souter has agreed that a review of the federal lawsuit filed by attorney Phil Berg against Barack Hussein Obama II, et al., which was subsequently dismissed for lack of standing is warranted. SCOTUS Docket No. 08-570 contains the details.
A review of that docket and the Rule 10 of the Supreme Court makes abundantly clear that Justice Souter’s granting of a review on the Writ of Certiorari is not a right entitled to citizen Phil Berg, but rather is a matter of judcial discretion based upon a compelling reason. That compelling reason is the Constitutional requirement that “No person except a natural born citizen
…shall be eligible to the office of President…”
What this means is that on or before 1 DECEMBER 2008 Barack Hussein Obama II must respond to the writ of certiorari, and since the Berg v Obama case hinged primarily on the question of Obama’s place of birth, it is almostinconceivable that Barack Obama will thumb his nose at the Justices of the Supreme Court and he is absolutely compelled to provide a vault copy of his original birth certificate.
Another very salient fact to consider at this time is that, despite all of the pronouncements of the print and broadcast media, Barack Obama is not yet the President-elect of the United States. Barack Obama can only become the President-elect after the Electoral College convenes on 15 DECEMBER 2008 in their respective state capitals around the nation and cast their votes to elect the President and the Vice President. As you can see this election day occurs two weeks after the required response to the Supreme Court granted Writ of Certiorari.
The bottom line is this: the presidential election of 2008 remains an ongoing process, the outcome of which remains undetermined, and all talk about a potential Constitutional crisis in the United States are at least 36 days premature.
The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding President-elect Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.
Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship:
· The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;
· The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;
· The allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;
· The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost an hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.
· The allegations that “Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya,” the suit states.” Reports reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth.”
· The claim could not be verified by inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;
Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama’s mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack’s American citizenship.
DOCKET FOR 08-570
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I was stuck in the anger stage for about 10 days, then I just lost it with my Obamabot husband, explained to him that my feelings had to do with an attack on WOMEN’S RIGHTS, he finally got it and apologized, I had a good cry, and now I find myself in Stage 7.
I also made a vow never to get so caught up in politics again. It’s bad for my health; my blood pressure went up in the last 2 months. Now I have to work to reduce stress and get it back down. I also came to the conclusion that I as an Independent, individual voter don’t make a difference. Nothing I do can change what happened or who gets into power in Washington. Voting? Ha! Look at all the voter fraud that happened this year. They’re all corrupt thieves and liars (both parties) anyway. It’s all a game they play with our tax money, and we encourage them by contributing to their campaigns. I’ve had enough, and now I’m going to be a political atheist. I think my life will improve in so many ways.
And as for women’s rights? Well, I fought those battles in the 1970s and 1980s. I paved the way for a lot of women who followed me in the construction and defense businesses. I’ve done my share, and if the younger generation of women who worship Barky think they have so many rights, then I guess they’ll just have to learn the hard way when they find themselves on the wrong end of the discrimination stick. You’re on your own, sweeties.
Thanks for this thoughtful and valuable post, American Girl.
I will make my comments brief, as the issues you raise are for Obama’s opponents to wrestle with.
You wrote: “I don’t understand why someone like Undercover Black Man … intentionally sought out to mock PUMAs and ridicule those not supporting Obama.”
It wasn’t the fact of opposition to Obama that provoked me; it was the nature and tone of that opposition. From my point of view, it was straight-up “politics of personal destruction.” It was about demeaning the man… disrespecting the person.
This is most easily illustrated by the scornful nicknames by which Obama was called here. When I first blogged about No Quarter back in July, I listed 24 of those vulgar, mocking names (such as “Oblowme,” “Obastard,” “Obasshole” and “Backtrack Obullshit”).
I figured: If folks are choosing to wage political warfare with the weapon of ridicule, hey… I’m your huckleberry. Let’s get it on!
Everything is about perspective, I guess. From where I sat, nothing in this campaign could compare to the relentless efforts to paint Barack Obama as a Muslim, an Arab, a Marxist, a socialist and a terrorist-sympathizer.
I figured: If folks are choosing to wage political warfare with the weapon of ridicule, hey… I’m your huckleberry. Let’s get it on!
So you were looking for trouble. And then when you found it you did the same despicable things. Hmmm…
I’m rubber, you’re glue, etc.
So glad they invited you back.
Love will keep us together.
isn’t that a captain & tenille song ?…chuckle….
As long as you retire the calling me a “racist” thing we can kiss and make up.
I certainly hope I never called you — or anyone else here — a “racist,” OIAF. Not my style, generally. I prefer a scalpel rather than a hatchet (or however that’s supposed to go).
I used to hang out and comment on a white-nationalist blog, and I didn’t even call them racists!
Okay UBM, let’s start over. Just know that if you take your “scalpel” to me I will fight back with a frigging CHAINSAW. Maybe you got that already LOL.
You called us plenty of names. IIRC you called me deranged or diseased or something along those lines. Spare me the sanctimony.
well, we can agree to a degree. while i see no problem with trying to figure out who he is, i.e. is he a muslim (since his dads both were) seemed valid, although, not as a smear, but just to know. he was the one denying it, calling it a smear. i thought he would be better as a muslim, wrt our relations around the world, and would have prefered that to his current church! i think acting as if it were a smear was damaging.
as for the socialist - he was. he was a member of the socialist party.
and as for the terrorist thing - well, he was friends with ayers, and he hid truths and lied. to me, it was about the lies.
but i agree with you on the name calling. i am all for vetting and digging and questioning, and calling it as you see it, but name calling….
that said, it was happening on both sides. and from where i sat, it started on the other side. shillary, billary, and worse. i didn’t get *mean and bitter* until i had been attacked by the other side for months. perhaps that is what happened to those others, as well. (and backtrack obullshit seems kind of legit! haha)
you said you set out to mock pumas. did you ever go after those who attacked hillary and palin on a personl level? did you ever confront/mock/question the shillary, white bitch, C*nt chatter that was RAMPANT on the obama side?
the things that bothered you, (oblowme) were a handful of people on the web. the things that we were fighting were front and center in the media and coming from obama (99 problems and the bitch ain’t one of them….) and his supporters.
in my opinion, it was not about personal destruction, it was about *who the hell is he??* the guy is most secretive, and he gets caught in a lot of fibs.
but thanks for the comment! :O)
“the things that bothered you, (oblowme) were a handful of people on the web.”
If only that were the case! Rush Limbaugh said flat-out on his radio show: “He’s Arab!” I streamed the audio… and I tracked down the source of that misinformation on the Web.
The equivalent thing against Hillary would’ve been, like, “She’s a Jew!” I didn’t see or hear people just making up wild stuff about Hillary. (But I take your point that there was a vaccuum of public knowledge about Obama, seeing that nobody’d ever heard of him until 2004.)
By the way… you wrote: “did you ever go after those who attacked hillary and palin on a personl level?”
I made mention on my blog (several times) of Penn Jillette’s infamous “White Bitch Month” joke, aimed at Hillary. I criticized it as unfunny. But in retrospect, I should’ve called it what it really was: poisonous, vicious and disgraceful.
Everyone has their opinion. That you don’t like that Obama was/is called names is understandable, but other people don’t follow your line.
Indeed. And for as long as Larry Johnson welcomes dissenting opinions here, I’ll feel free to express mine. It’s all good!
well, it would be beyond boring if we were all like, *yes, yes, I agree*
I don’t know why I even bother to write this.
You are a role player.
But why Obama got this kind of response here?
Try with Annieie Oakley and Lipstick on a pig and “Did I mention he is black?”
This guy was offensive on a personal level from the start “You’re plenty likeable, Hillary”.
That would be another example.
he never said anything, right?
He’s got people.
He was personal from the start and the reason people call him OVomit and such is that they are pissed of that he never get held accountable.
Hillary got disqualified because she was under sniper fire.
BO talked about an uncle that liberated Auschwitz.
Not a big thing.
Anyway, as I said You are just a role player and I am not going to lick my wounds, but keep up the fight.
No paint was required. Oh and you left out a natural born American.
Undercover Black Man says in part:
…Everything is about perspective, I guess. From where I sat, nothing in this campaign could compare to the relentless efforts to paint Barack Obama as a Muslim, an Arab, a Marxist, a socialist and a terrorist-sympathizer.
That wasn’t paint it was “paint remover.” What about the truth made you decide to come here and lie about demonstrable facts?
Granted, he isn’t a practicing Muslim, and probably hasn’t been close to anything that even resembles such since early primary school in Indonesia. But if you go by the tenets of Islam…
An arab, are you arguing with the official Kenyan government classification of his father? Or that side of his family’s heritage?
A Marxist/socialist, that depends much upon how you define “Marxist/socialist.” I don’t think anyone (rational)claims that he is leading our nation into a communist model, but many of the ideals he espouses, share a Marxist/socialist flavor, not that there is anything inherently wrong with that.
Finally, a terrorist-sympathizer, again, you don’t consider the Weather Underground to have been a terrorist organization?
Ultimately, however, none of these issues are that relevent to his candidacy or presidency, the lies, distortions, and tactics he used during his candidacy (and thus far in his pre-inaugural period) are both relevent and telling.
Not a fan at all, I do not like the man, his methods nor do I trust his judgement or integrity. I have not felt this many negatives about a president-elect since GWB, but like every new president, I will give him till July, before I look at his administration, its accomplishments and the direction it seems headed, before I begin making assessments and comments in regards to its successes or failures. My impressions of the man are terrible, they may improve over time (but not if he continues to act as his history demonstrates is characteristic).
My impressions of his administration are as yet unformed, but they will start out with no unearned good-will or confidence. It is possible that the administration may prove acceptable, in spite of my opinions of the man. Its hard to see how it could be worse than the last eight years, but then again Bush started out with a surplus of everything, Obama is starting out in a hole so deep that even a pretty successful administration and a lot of lucky breaks will probably still leave him in a hole 4 years from now!
Time will tell and we shall see.
Thank You. Nicely stated.
No, no,…Thank-You!
I keep trying to work up a good summation of my feelings post as per the request a few days ago, but everytime I about get things half-way sorted out in my head, I respond to someone else’s vent and use up all my emotion. Guess that’s a good thing, means I’m moving from revulsion at the One and his new Obamacratic party to simple disgust with the entire process,…yet again!
Of course we’re more interesting than your fellow brainwashed simpleton Obots. They’re probably back to Myspace or hanging out at the mall, so the Obot boards have probably slowed to a trickle. Doesn’t mean all of us here will roll out the red carpet for you and your supercilious arrogance.
Kathy you are one HIGH-larious chick. I’ve never been on an Obot board. I would like that to putting a hot poker up my own azz. What’s it like on those boards?
You forgot sexist. What’s the problem? Obama is all of those things.
I agree on the name calling bit–it’s been bad on both sides. I have never used anything but Obama, O or BO to refer to Obama, but his followers I like to call Obots. (I myself was a Hillbot for a long time, so it’s not like it’s meant as an insult or anything.)
The part about painting him as a socialist and Marxist, though, I don’t understand. He was a member of a communist party in Chicago, and if you compare his list of beliefs to the definition of socialism and writings of Marx, that’s what he is. Why is that an insult?
The terrorist sympathizer thing is really walking on the line. I would just like to know why it’s OK to act like Ayers and Dorn are normal members of society when they, but for simple technicalities that voided their trials, would normally be rotting in jail today.
This is the stage I am at right now.
Obama is a no good thug. How about that.
works for me! :O)
I agree with the posts above mine, especially with “Obama is a Fraud” who I seem to agree with most of the time.
I haven’t been buoyed or enticed into “getting over it” since the whole travesty wrapped up on the 4th.
This whole Hillary SOS business makes me really sad. I was a delegate for Hillary and it was so obvious that she was the superior candidate. Now, to see her muzzled and leashed and, once again, a good foot soldier for her abuser…..makes me want to throw up. If OVomit wants her to chat up Ahmadinajhad and Hammas, off she’ll go, or be fired. Great……there is no “stage” for how I feel about that.I feel the way I’d feel witnessing a fantastic friend who is so much better than her POS boyfriend, husband go back to him after he beat her up…because he needs her.
All the things that Obama did, all the lies, all the subterfuge, all the reprehensible cronies, all the slimy tactics……none of that has morphed into the realm of being okay.
For me, I’m feeling selfish,all my family and most of my friends voted for OVomit……maybe someday I’ll feel the same way that I did before the election about them but right now something feels irrevocably broken, for me there is such a MOUNTAIN of evidence against Obama, the BC just a tiny little hiccup for starters ( along with his apparently fraudulent Selective Service papers, no college transcripts etc etc etc)that sadly I can muster zero respect for those bamboozled bu O and the DNC……so it’s very lonesome.I wish I could just flip a happy switch…it would make it all so much easier. I have fantasies about moving to a Red State and making all new friends.
That coupled with the state of the economy makes for some pretty hard going. This is the first time in my life I will be having Thanksgiving at the receiving end of a church supper…..I have volunteered in shelters and missions but never dreamnt I’d be on the other side of the table.
I’m really actively working on what there is to be thankful for right now….like my dog and my ability to paint and the voices that are sympatico here…
What stage is this?
All I know is that the thought of Obama and his nauseating wife ( I am repulsed by her about a million time MORE even than him ) in the White House truly makes me want to sleep for the next 4 years.
My dislike of George Bush and anger when he was elected either time wasn’t a pimple on the ass of my nausea now.
Is this a stage that will pass?
I simply try to avoid politics now…I listen to podcasts of the Naked Scientist while I paint because I simply cannot bear listening to the metaphorical fellatio being performing on the “incoming Obama Administration”by the media…even Fox for the most part.
I guess this is the “putting your head in the sand” Stage, the “Scarlett O’Hara, Tomorrow is another Day” stage.
I’ve always been a really happy, enthusiastic and optimistic person but the conjunction of OVomit and this economy makes for something scary, the “This Sucks Bigtime” stage ….I only hope that I can see something brighter on the other side.
When it gets lonesome bell’artista, remember there are millions of us. And for people here who say “the Constitution won’t survive this…” it will if we fight.
I totally agree here.
Have an eye on the law suits.
Donofrios case goes to the supreme court, but I heard rumors that his case was not filed correctly be the Judge JACK M. SABATINO. (citizen wells)
The corruption is deep.
Is Bush just setting him and all of usup for the big CRISIS in January 21st that Powell talked about?
Berlin…I think something is brewing. I don’t know if this is true…but I read somewhere that they are calling out all of the civilian military. Like writing letters to anyone and everyone up to 62 years old to be ready for the call to action. I will dig up the article. Very scary. It seems to me that everyone is giving us little hints about what’s coming. And, hey, I’m really glad Fraudbama will be out shooting hoops when it happens. Ughh….
Okay…here’s a big WTF if it’s true…does anyone else know about this?
November 21, 2008
U.S. Armed Forces begin “General Mobilization” recalling ALL retirees who EVER served in ANY military branch!
The United States has begun an astonishing “general mobilization” of ALL retired or honorably discharged military members from ALL branches of the service!
Letters have gone out to several Million former soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines which read as follows:
SUBJECT: Recall from Retired Status
A. Name:***** *****
B. Retired grade: E-6
C. Serial Number: ***-**-****
D. PMOS:
E. Current mailing Address:
F. Date Retired: 10 OCT 86
Petty Officer *****, You have been selected for recall to active duty for a period of not less than three years; or a period of time which will extend beyond your 55th birthday or 30 years active Federal service whichever is sooner and; You will not be eligible for voluntary release from active duty during the period for which recalled, but may be released from active duty for the convenience of the Government; and while recalled, You will be subject to all provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice including discharge from the pursuant thereto and all Navy regulations including those providing for administrative reduction; but any administrative separation from the will be accomplished by releasing you from active duty rather than by discharge, except where other action is directed by Headquarters, Department of the Navy.
1. Enclosure
Report of Physical Examination
To give you an idea of how incredible this is, the last time the United States made a “general mobilization” was in December, 1941.
General mobilization orders usually take 120 days to show an effect, which translates into late February, early March, 2009.
Sadly, this time frame fits with my prediction that the United States government will financially collapse by the end of February and de-monetize the US dollar as a currency, wiping-out the life savings of every citizen and paving the way for introduction of the AMERO to replace the dollar.
Involuntary recall is part of all enlistment contracts in the military. Whenever anyone joins the military, they sign a contract for their Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) and are told in writing they are subject to being involuntarily recalled into military service FOREVER.
This general mobilization will involve literally millions of Americans and will prove incredibly disruptive to millions of families and to businesses throughout our nation. The big question is: WHY?
Why is this being done?
It seems to me that there are only two possibilities:
1) We will be in another (huge) war within the first 6 months of 2009 OR;
2) the government will collapse and they fear being forcibly overthrown by hostile citizens angry at losing everything.
For my part, I hope the latter is not the case because if the politicians think the military can, would - or even could - protect them from their own citizens, they are sadly mistaken.
Here in the USA, 95 million law-abiding citizens own over 212 million lawful firearms. If even ten percent of those gun owners were to rise-up to overthrow the government, the entire Army, Navy Air Force and Marines would be outnumbered more then ten to one - even with this general mobilization!
Any military members foolish enough to fight the very citizens they swore to protect, would quickly find themselves dead. Any foreign troops brought in from overseas would be cut down with a brutality they cannot even imagine.
What is amazing to me about this is the absolute, total silence about it in our “main stream” media. No information about this mobilization is being mentioned as news anywhere in US media except in outlets such as this web site.
I think if You put the pieces together.
1. Obama is inelegible.
2. Bush has part of the Army here
3. Have You heard of thos camps they builded?
4. The Army gets sworn in to the president and not anymore to the constitution I heard.
Anyway, this is the ABC of a takeover.
Maybe Obama was just the tool.
After all we know he is inexperienced an vain.
He would fall for that.
Is that why Rove looks so happy?
Berlin…I think you are right. Takeover by who though? Or is it WHOM? LOL. YES I know about the camps they built. I was ASTONISHED. We already have our very own detention camps…I guess that’s what we would call them. How come more people don’t know about these camps?
Maybe Bush wants to stay?
As a Commander under Martial law?
Wow. Who knows? I just hope this isn’t true. Very bizarre.
Obama or Bush.
Pick one.
Bizarre in both ways.
Seriously, I think we should stop the fear mongering. There are too many checks for OB or anyone to take over. If Bush didn’t do it, then it’s not possible.
Tek…where are the checks? Congress? You mean the far left nuts like Pelosi? Bush didn’t want to do it. That’s your big mistake in the argument. Bush never once talked about “ruling the world” or “changing America because it sucks.” Bush never talked about these crazy marxist creepy things Fraudbama is so immersed in. Fraudbama’s reading? “A Post America World.” Yup, he’s carrying that book getting off a plane. He WANTS America to fail as America. The idiotic comparisons to Bush have to stop. Bush was incompetent and made mistakes. Fraudbama is an entirely different person. No comparison. And I said it in my first post…people are going to go on and on about Bush forever and think it’s okay to have Fraudbama. It’s not the same thing. I don’t think we are “fearmongering.” What part of what we posted isn’t true? The camps? They were built under Bush. The Involuntary Service? I think that is true. What part of OBiden’s “Gird Your Loins? conversation did you miss? Did you miss Colin Powell say the same thing? Every single politician has hinted at some sort of assault on us. I think “better safe than sorry” is a better policy than blind faith.
I would be surprised to find out that this is anything other than a bad rumor being spread on the internet. I can’t imagine something of this magnitude happening without it hitting all the airwaves.
If this does come to pass, there will be a heck of a lot of p(*##ed off people to put it mildly.
Hey Bell…just so we are clear…
We now a have a BO “Victory Plate” for sale with the face of BO on it that you can place on the mantle in reverence right next to the plastic Jesus.
I deeply wish for better times for you and yours. Just know you are in my thoughts and prayers. You are not alone.
It is going to be hard to hate Obama and continue to love Hillary. I will probably just change the channel.
That’s a good one!
Funny, I have no problem hating Obama and LOVING Hillary. Whole different species–Hil.
Ani,
I am none of those seven stages.
For myself, while I will never believe a word from this man BO , and I disagree with LJ, that he is not a Moron. he is “OUR MORON” now, and in that vein it is prudent to work to fix what is broken, while working for transparency and accountability.
None of BO’s karma will he escape, the price of his indifference will be steep… Nor will I EVER support BO, who is human without a moral compass. I will support the person to the left and right of me.
End the end, as country, we will move forward warts and all.
Besides, I have a stack of books I have neglected reading and there is so much knowledge and self development required of oneself to remain informed, who has time to spend on wishing for what could have been?
I thank you for the raising topic and your insightful perspectives. All I can say is stay frosty and in all actions protect and defend the Constitution of this country.
I am not at all certain the Constitution will survive what is coming.
oops, sorry American Girl and Ani. Thanks to both of you and now for more coffee.
Very good post. I believe that I am still at stage 1 and I may be there for a while. BO being the potus is like a bad tv movie. I can’t wait until it’s over.
“I simply point out the reality that he will be sworn in as President. And at that point we judge him by what he does and not what he was. Is that fair?”
And re: UBM and his “gloating because they won”: how many times do we have to say it? Obama did not “win!!!!!” They rigged the nomination through documented voter fraud, suppression and manipulation. I was just talking about this this morning. I do not WANT to “get over” rage at injustice. And I do not think it is irrelevant at all to judge what he “was.” If we do that, the end justifies the means, and it gives permission for others to do it, and worse, again to get what they want. There have to be standards and principles, and consequences when they are violated. We have already “excused” what Bush has done to the Constitution, now we are asked to let Obama & Co.’s anti-democratic, race-baiting, misogynistic practices go because we need to “move on.” No way. For me, he is as illegitimate as Bush ever was. They stole votes, the bedrock of our democracy, to win power.
OF COURSE I want what is best for the country, but that is not mutually exclusive from my feelings about the faux president.
This issue of principles and moral relativism can also be applied to the whole rehabilitation of Ayers’ image. If he can justify the murder they committed as rebellion against an unjust government, then how is that different from the argument that Bin Laden and Al Queda makes? They, too, see us as a rigid system that cannot be negotiated with, so violence is the only solution. There have to be boundaries, unless you’re an anarchist.
Testing
testing. did you get lost in spam filter?
Obama Is A Fraud,
Thank you very much for your first post above. I feel the same way but cannot write that good though. But, I will repeat with you again:
I don’t know what’s been going on at this site, but I just did the “testing” post and it got through after several of my long, thoughtful posts have not been showing up. I’ve been posting here for months, and I put time into those posts. If I’m on some kind of a blocked list, please let me know via email.
i went into the filter and pulled out your posts. i noticed that my longer ones get placed in the filter. :OS i think i got all of them out.
I had one lost. tried reposting. if you rescue, rescue the earlier post. thanks
got it. god, now i need a shower. or a cigarette. hahah that spam is horrible!
Ccccan we pppleez…Not go all OPRAH at this site….I’m in the avoiding Oprah solutions stage…chuckle…and that goes for DR. Phil too…
tell me…how does that make you feel?
This is the stage I am at right now.
Obama is a no good thug. How about that.
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An indecisive poser with a glass jaw, Irritated, petulant, whiny, a man never having swum upstream whose riding a wave that’s about to come crashing down…
He has been coddled and pampered and is not fit mentally for the long slog.
This must put me in the reserve-judgement-but-get back-to-a-semblance-of-living-stage. Obama just doesn’t have the necessary work ethic and drive to make my blood run cold fearing the enactment of an extremist agenda.
No offense to the writer, but I am getting a bit sick and tired of people saying we need to go through the 7 Stages of Grief in regards to this election.
To suggest so would suggest that I actually deeply cared about Obama in the way I might care about a grandmother who has died.
Sorry. This psychobabble stuff does not apply to me.
I don’t like Obama, and I think what happened this election was one of the most horrifying things I have ever seen in this country. (I would say, second to 9/11, which was the worst in my lifetime.)
I don’t think it’s good for the country in the long run if Obama succeeds. If he does, that justifies sexism, caucus fraud, media bias, and propaganda.
It’s the Obama Cult that worries me the most.
Ideally for me, Obama will have a mediocre presidency that pisses off his cult base so they can wake up and realize he’s just another politician.
The country will survive and people will wake up.
I just pray I never see another candidate like this in my lifetime, who has a powerful media behind him making him out to be a messiah. I don’t think Obama has it in him to become a Hitler, because frankly I think he’s ultimately too lazy to implement something like a holocaust, but what if this happens again with a man who is more ruthless?
Americans need to wake up from the propaganda for the future of democracy - that is worth the short-term pain of a mediocre four years.
i don’t think i was implying that the feelings were equivilant to the loss of a family member, or even that it is grieving, per se. I just noticed a similar pattern of the process.
“I think what happened this election was one of the most horrifying things I have ever seen in this country.” but you don’t think some people are seriously dealing with *recovery* or whatever you want to call it?? this was my point, to many people it was a devestating event, it was personal, it was serious. and some people are expecting other people to just get over it. but some people don’t want to, never will, or if they do want to, are way behind others in the process.
and sorry if i was being redundant. i haven’t seen this atrributed to the 7 stages before.
“I don’t think it’s good for the country in the long run if Obama succeeds.” i don’t care if obama succeeds, but i do want the country to.
AGII - To ME it’s exactly the same. America is gone. 100% gone. My country is just as important to me as my family, friends, etc. The Stages of Grief are indeed relevant IMO.
Just because I think this election was absolutely horrifying does not mean I am sitting around moping or crying about it.
I had already come to terms with Obama winning long before he had actually won, because I felt it was likely he was going to win.
So I am not emotional about it, but I am *concerned* because I think the propaganda and hype over Obama is one of the biggest dangers to American democracy I have seen in my lifetime.
If other people need to recover from this “emotionally” then that’s fine, but I think it’s wrong to lump everyone into that 7 Stages of Grief model when we are all reacting differently.
Furthermore, I will not let any politician, be it a Bush or an Obama, ruin my peace of mind and personal happiness. Neither of them deserve that much of my attention or emotional energy. I have seen people nurture a hatred and fear of Bush over 8 years that left them emotionally f*cked up - but ultimately, those people who were that caught up in Bush hatred had other problems. (I.e., I know someone who was obsessed with Bush but he was an alcoholic and was projecting other personal stuff onto Bush.)
I am in no way suggesting that the angry people here are alcoholics or emotionally messed up people. But I would suggest that anyone who is so caught up in emotion over any politician to the point of disability is someone who needs a handle on their emotions in general.
I believe emotionally healthy people can feel a dose of healthy anger over this election without needing to process it in the way you might process a personal loss. We’re talking two different animals here. “Obama is a Fraud” will ALWAYS be angry and pissed off at Obama. She is not going to move to stage 4 of grief or whatever comes after because ultimately her anger is not over a personal loss but it is over injustice.
Now, if someone like her nurtures such an anger to the point of obsession, then that’s a whole other ball of wax. But the anger over Obama is simply that - anger, and not part of some grief process that might be applied to a spouse dying or finding out you have a terminal illness.
Hillary or bust says
“Just because I think this election was absolutely horrifying does not mean I am sitting around moping or crying about it.
I had already come to terms with Obama winning long before he had actually won, because I felt it was likely he was going to win.”
My sentiments entirely..Obama only ended up winning by 6 million in an election that was bought by the internationalists and brought to you by a complisit media.
Now they are watching the Obama crash and the collapse of the world economy.
Obama’s agenda is over..Now we have to just survive..Governing from the center with only the best people…Fast!!
Hillary or Bust…No offense. America is dead. I am grieving. Maybe you don’t see it that way, but it is like a family member. It’s dead. Give it six months and see if the Flag is still around - IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT. Seems Fraudbama thinks our flag “reminds people of bad things in our past.” No, JIZZBRAIN, it reminds us of the blood that was shed to protect the rights YOU foreign born scum want to destroy. Once that happens you will get a lot more people grieving than we ever thought.
I think it’s a bit premature to grieve the country. I’m not convinced Obama is going to become dictator just yet. I think his ego needed to be president, but I don’t think he’s that personally motivated to go beyond that (ultimately, he’s a lazy narcissist).
Sorry Hillary or Bust…I can say this:
I am glad my father is no longer with us. For him to have seen this pathetic POS country elect a guy who:
1) Won’t put his hand over his heart.
Was sponsored financially at Harvard by Khalid “Chop Up All The White People” Al Monsour.
2) Hates the Flag
3) Hates the Constitution
4) Hates America period.
5) Is “family friends” with Bill “America Makes Me Puke” Ayers.
6) Is spiritually mentored by “God Damn America” Wright.
7) Is a “family friend” of Rashad and Mona “Kill all Jews” Khalidi.
9) Was mentored by Frank Marshall “America Sucks” Davis.
10) Will NOT show a legitimate BC, medical records, college records, has no known address for years in NYC and is unaccounted for during those years.
11) Admits to having drug and alcohol problems and stole for drugs.
12) Flipped the finger to Hillary and McCain on LIVE TV and thought it was cute.
13) Spends our money like water on his own pompous parties and the America Sucks World Tour.
14) Behaved like an azz at the 9/11 ceremony.
15) Destroyed years of work that American women did to create their equality.
16) Pissed on Joe the Plumber, the symbol of what middle America is and the backbone of our country.
17) Promoted illegal acts such as voter fraud, threats, death threats, intimidation and suppression of votes.
18) Associates with known felons like Rezko and has been involved with criminal real estate deals with said people.
Ughhh. I am getting SICK of even writing this crap, but I COULD GO ON ALL DAY. Now, can someone tell me PLEASE WHERE THE FUCK the AMERICAN VALUES ARE THERE? Please explain to me why we should think that this country remains what we thought it was. Please don’t say Bush. Move off that. Tell me what America is now???? It’s not what he will DO - it’s what he has ALREADY DONE TO THIS COUNTRY. He’s not even IN the White House and look what he has done to us.
I can’t read the future but I believe America still has the opportunity to come back to center. We’re just still swinging wildly after 9/11. We swung over to the right with Bush in reaction, now we’re swinging over to the left in counter-reaction. The pendulum will swing back, and hopefully resolve more towards center.
We survived Nixon, who was just as corrupt as Obama, we can recover from Obama as well.
Well, sorry, with all due respect I disagree. I have said many times here…if this were Carter, Mondale, Gore, Kerry, Dukakis, you name it…yeah, we would be going off to the left. No problem. I actually wouldn’t be here and I wouldn’t give a damn. We would survive it more than likely. My gut says this is going to be a way different situation that America is completely unprepared for and won’t like. I could be wrong. In six months if we are all here happy I will take it all back.
By the way, none of you know me. Believe it or not I am normally the life of the party, happy, bubbly, positive and optimistic. That’s what’s troubling to me. I’m not like this and I can’t shake these really bad feelings. Oh well. Onward.
I agree with everyone here that America needs to seriously examine Obama’s associations, background, character, and the influences of friendships with terrorists on his life.
Moderate and Independent voters, even Republicans who didn’t rally behind McCain, need to make the mental adjustment that a US Senator presenting a rather ordinary, every day mild-mannered persona, 2 cute kids and a wife, top academic credentials, etc could be incapable as a world leader from doing evil.
Obama attracted supporters that have the same talent as their candidate for being apathetic, lazy, and unobservant, for either not knowing, not taking the time to educate themselves or ultimately looking the other way.
But that explains his ascendance, in my view, more than a mandate to break over 100 laws, such as voter fraud and illegal campaign funding, stifling the opposition, fighting free speech etc. which if that is what voters understand and expected from this election — WOULD represent the greatest shift away from traditional American values in history.
Everything you say here is at best a lie, at worst an off the charts reaction to what you want to believe. Show me PROOF of one of your ridiculous, childish attacks.
I am really sure that on the day his grandmother passed away, Obama intentionally gave McCain the finger - are you nuts or what? And if you bothered to look at the video, he did NOT give Hillary the finger - both fingers were used to scratch his face. And this is just for starters….flag, not putting his hand over his heart? what kindegarten do you attend? I happen to know Bill Ayer’s wife - they are not in prison and happen to be doing good work so what the hell do you care anyway?
Get off your meds - you sound seriously deranged.
Regarding my post above…I hope it’s clear when I said “YOU foreign born scum” I was referring to Kenyan born FRAUDBAMA and no one here. Sorry.
No worries, I got that.
what does ‘foreign born’ have to do with anyone’s personality or character? And you question why Obama supporters may have called some of you bigotted? Are you purposely trying to embarrass yourself? Remember the ‘ugly American’?
I certainly do and they were the ones at the Democratic caucuses who intimidated and harrassed Clinton supporters, which steeled my resolve to leave the party after 32 years of membership.
Clean up your own side of the street before criticizing others.
I guess you missed my point.
In argument, the strongest support of one’s position is the last metnioned. Your placement of the ugly american leading question (which is itself fallacious) at the end of your post idicated to me that you felt it was the most damning. That’s what I get for assuming you knew anything about reasoned debate.
As for the remainder of your post–If you bots are so horrified at our conduct here, why don’t you get your thin-skinned personages to one of the sites devoted entirely to the never-ending adoration of That One.
Okay, I guess I missed something. When and where did he say he wanted to change our flag? Is he wanting to add 7 more stars to the flag?
Also to all on this blog, we all might want to read the books that his friend Ayers has written. By reading these books I think we will all find out how Obama thinks.
the whole point i was trying to make is that we ARE all different - so, don’t bash those who are moving on, and don’t bash those who are not, we are all different.
And there of those of us somewhere in the middle.
exactly! :O)
Here’s the plan: okay, they got their little stooge in office. Now, Hillary had better be the next president or heads will roll.
Actually, the stage I am in is: Barack Obama does not seem like the President to me. I don’t think he ever will. He still strikes me as a puppet who doesn’t know enough to be in the WH. It was all a fix. The fact that he’s appointing a bunch of failed has-beens (Tom Daschle, et al) who corrupted the primaries to get him in tells me all I need to know. I just never see this guy talk to the media that he really seems like he has a clue, but perhaps he can steal enough of the Clinton’s ideas and staff to make a go of it. It’s particularly annoying that his administration is shaping up to be Clinton III, but Hillary is not the leader of it.
I don’t believe that I was ever blind to the Machiavellian nature of politics and don’t expect perfection from any candidate, but this last election provided an eye-opener that cannot be swept under the rug and really cannot be “gotten over”.
After all, how could anyone suddenly develop amnesia regarding Bush v Gore 2000 debacle? That type of chicanery just doesn’t go away for those who value justice. Of course, it is made even worse by the fact that Bush was so Goldarn AWFUL!
I suppose if Obama shows his better side, we can better accept (no matter how reluctantly) his left-path rise to power, but I certainly will be watching him with an eagle eye.
Thank you American Girl for a wonderful summary of what so many of us have and are still feeling.
This comment is generic, that is to say, it was written thinking about bloggers who are now trying to rewrite history to excuse their own race baiting and other actions. I don’t hold a vindictive grudge against them. But they should not expect me to ever embrace them nor wish to engage them. Why? Because I don’t have to nor do I wish to. One could wonder why bother to write this? Its cathartic for me, and may put things in perspective for those who valiantly fought the good fight and shared a foxhole with me. In retrospect, we never had a chance as the fix was in. But we came mighty close, facing insurmountable odds. I am proud of everyone who fought for what they believed in, even though we had one hand tied behind our backs the entire time. May those who continue the struggle at the US Supreme Court succeed in protecting our great Republic.
I never called Obama a Muslim, an Arab, etc. (nor did I see only except for a minority of folks do so) and do not think calling someone who I feel acts like an asshole, an asshole, gives someone carte blanche to fight back calling people “racists.” I would never call a black person a “racist” for calling me an asshole, especially if I was acting like one. Revisionist history designed to excuse oneself may work on a personal level for one’s psyche, but they should not expect we will ever forgive the race baiting hypocrisy. Its inexcusable. They (Obama supporters) “won,” now they can live with the consequences created by their own actions. If my only “crime” was calling someone non-racist yet demeaning names, that certainly does not rise to the level of race baiting, and the most extreme language we saw of race riots being threatened by Obama surrogates.
I agree with the author of this thread who shared the sentiment there is no requirement to “get over it.” In light of what has transpired (criminally threatening, harassing and stalking opposition bloggers by pro-Obama bloggers, caucus fraud and other election crimes, criminal DNC/RBC handing delegates to Obama in violation of the sacred principle of fair reflection, creation of half delegates only to be made whole when it no longer mattered, sham convention, illegal campaign cash, corporate MSM complicity, Obama denying us critical records of his past such as school records and proof of eligibility under Article 2 Section 1, race baiting [which is racism], threats of race riots, sexism, misogyny, elitism, classism, homophobia, ageism) rewriting history by any blogger shifting blame for their race baiting actions to some comments made here calling poor Baby Opampers a name they don’t like - that pig won’t fly as it totally ignores the scope of what happened in this “election.”
How is the first black president a victory when it was not won fairly (was a backroom deal for all intensive purposes) and he is unqualified? When I see certain names around here, I see a noxious pathogen sign on them and although I think its fine they are back on the blog, I will let them wallow in the swill of their own little worlds they’ve created for themselves.
My vote was made meaningless by criminals who hate freedom, under the guise of creating equality and amorphous “change” and damn the consequences to the Constitution and our liberty. This sets a horrific precedent, one that could backfire on the “victors” at a future generation. They can only blame themselves when this happens. In the meantime, I hope they enjoy their hollow victory and their symbolic idol Plasticine-(s)elect. They honeymoon will surely (and surly) be very short, in light of the fact all signs are Chockablock Opampers won’t deliver on most of his promises. Then, the Obama supporters will be left with mouths hanging open agape, scratching their chins wondering just what was it they fought for? They will see their lust for the reincarnation of the MLK, Jesus Christ, JFK and Gandhi amalgamous blob was woefully misguided. Or maybe not, they will blame us obstructionist “racists” for switching their tinfoil hats for “fake” ones that did not block out our evil mind rays.
In closing:
I shall enjoy watching Captain Trainingwheels pilot the Titanic into the abyss as I serve cocktails on the deck of the Carpathia to the patrons of Galt’s Pizza Parlor, nautical division.
I agree…and I’ll have some oven-fried with shitake mushrooms and extra cheese!
I raise my glass of Chianti to you in salute!
I am slowly starting to feel a bit better. last night was the first night I didn’t cry myself to sleep since nov 4. I’m glad Hillary has a powerful role in keeping this country safe. I’m glad that many in Obama’s administration are the same apointees that Hillary would have picked. I just wish she was running the show, not him… But really on foreign policy, she’ll run the show (can you imagine anyone telling the Clintons what to do?) And on domestic policy he’ll just use her ideas. So in a way we’re going to get the same thing as a Hillary presidency just with a figurehead who excites the rest of the world and is a powerful symbol to AAs who saw jim crow in their lifetime. It stings how we got here, but when I really think about it its not going to be so bad. I thought he was going to appoint radicals and left wingers and be some kind of American(?) version of Chavez, but apparently he wants to create a 3rd clinton term, and that’s really what we’ve been fighting for all along.
I have only been in one stage, reality; for me, I never supported that one and never will, and turn a blind eye and deaf ear to him, period. I am capable of filtering whatever the going ons of my government without ever having to remove the “mute” when that one is paraded around like some false idol. My realty is one that moves me to an understanding I have held for the past eight years, and managed to survive the fool. My country comes first, whatever person, puppet or moron is placed into the office of president, does not change my loyalty to my country. 4 or 8 years of ideas and little fiefdoms, is not about to make me loyal to a person or party game over this country. Reality, I’ll stick with that.
Maybe the problem is you.
Have you considering growing the hell up?
have YOU considered growing the hell up? Is trolling what grown-ups do?? Are you just taking it out on US that you’re mad Obama is gonna be the 3rd Clinton term not a hopey changey love-fest? Are you mad that Hillary will run foreign policy? I bet that makes your head explode. What about all the other advisors who are alumni of the Bill years?? WE’RE GETTING OUR 3RD CENTRIST CLINTON TERM, WHILE YOU’RE GETTING FOOLED BY A FAKE LEFTY!
ROFLMAO…Exactly hillstreetblues.
Have you considered that the opinion you are commenting about, is someone’s personal opinion and you truly don’t need to be judging it? Civility.
Our political parties, government, media and corporations seem to be suffering from systemic collusion and corruption. Under these conditions, it is possible that some of those who are gloating today, may find themselves both disappointed and disillusioned some time in the near future.
I’m not pleased with how Obama won the presidency, but fear it would be self defeating to wish for a failed presidency. I’m not going to forget about his faults, yet I’m still going to hope for the best possible outcome. Perhaps he will redeem himself, and with the assistance of a good team of advisers, he’ll be able to promote positive change (although I don’t think he’ll ever be able to live up to some of his supporters’ expectations).
I’m not sure if any of the individuals responsible for the sub prime melt down will be held accountable (which is a travesty), yet hope that going forward, there will be more oversight and accountability. Hopefully, by now, enough of the players realize that too much cheating and corruption is not good for anyone (that killing the golden goose or cash cow isn’t in their best interest).
There is a possibility that things may have to get worse, before they get better (or that we may truly be witnessing a permanent decline in this country’s stature along with our individual freedoms and liberties). So many things in life are cyclical, and history often repeats itself. At this point, none of us can adequately predict where we will be in four to eight years.
Oh, and as for outright hatred, it tends to take a greater toll on those holding the hatred in their hearts than it does on the objects of hatred. It is best to let the hatred go and to focus on positively changing those circumstances which are under your control.
I think we wished for a fair election and wished for Hillary (then McCain) to be our next president but our wishes did not manifest into reality. Even if someone wishes him to fail, they will not change the outcome of his presidency so I see any real potential for harm. I think its venting and serves a purpose. And I think some of the wishes are more prophetic in nature, people see because of how the victory was achieved, his presidency is doomed to fail under the weight of its nefarious beginnings. That’s more my mindset.
I don’t wish the presidency to fail, but see that its chances of success are not that great considering everything we know about the “election” and the man.
Thanks for restoring this comment from the pit of the stomach of the spam filter monsta!
Correction:
Even if someone wishes him to fail, they will not change the outcome of his presidency so I don’t see any real potential for harm.
I don’t want him to fail to the point where America is destroyed, but if he failed on the level of Bush that would be OK with me. We can still recover from that.
I would be happy if he simply governed from center and pissed off his progressive kool-aid drinkers so much that they turn against him like they did the Clintons.
E.g., if he kept us in Iraq, that in and of itself would not destroy the country but would totally destroy his credibility among the kool-aid drinkers. Something like that would be ideal. (I actually think we should stay in Iraq for now actually.)
I think hate can be productive. I would imagine our forefathers hated the King of England when they decided to revolt and create America. Just a thought.
why won’t this site let me post anymore?
You do realize you just contradicted yourself.
Its the spam filter. Its not perfect and catches legitimate comments as spam. It has to do with various factors I won’t get into, since that would help the spammers to write code to evade the filters.
You did nothing wrong. There is something about what you wrote that triggered a false-positive.
I personally will never forgive him for setting back gender relations in the USA a minimum of 40 years. As a person who fought so that younger women could have rights that they mistakenly think cannot be taken away, I resent his enabling behavior immensely. I see myself as stuck with a pig for a president. I’m all set so he can’t hurt me, but there is plenty coming for those who follow.
Uppity, you were (unseen to you) one of my mentors way back in the earlier stages of the primary. Hat’s off to you for all your contributions! They do not go unnoticed!
I am pretty much at stage 7. After living through years of anger since the 2000 Selection, I am not going to put myself through so much stress again. Anger just does not help me to get from one day to the next. I am a political junkie and will follow the moves of the Obamas just like I did with the Bushes.
At this point I am waiting to see what is going to happen. I think Obama is a figurehead like Bush. Someone behind the scenes is pulling the strings but I don’t know yet who those people are.
In Bush’s case Cheney was obviously the person running things. And the two of them represented and promoted what Eisenhower called “the military-industrial complex.” Maybe Obama is just the other side of that same coin.
So far the Obama administration appears to be a recreation of the Clinton administration without Bill Clinton. If the Obama administration implements improvements in energy policy, health care access, and environmental regulation, I will be able to live with them. They also need to resolve the situation in Iraq. And I don’t see how Obama will find the money to send more troops to Afghanistan.
Yes, I plan to try to live with the Obama administration because I have no choice. I have three mixed-race grandchildren. My sons believe the election of Obama will improve their children’s lives. I am not so sure.
Certain of my friendships cannot be repaired. I have lost all respect for those former friends. My obot children and I are moving on in spite of our disagreements. However I will not forget how Obama and the Democratic Party got to where they are now!
ritamary:
I think that regardless of how we all deal with this and try to move forward the one issue and most important issue we must all keep alive and NEVER forget is exactly the one you write about:
NEVER AGAIN.
Thanks for another great read, AGII. I think I’m in stage 6. I’m not spending much time with politics, as I need to focus on more constructive things. I think Obama is a disaster. That’s what I think. I hope I’m wrong. In the meantime, I will ignore him as much as possible. I don’t get drawn in with things like whether Hillary will be SoS. It is up to his supporters now. They can hold him to account, or not. It’s just no longer my problem. And, no, I don’t think that’s acceptance. It’s really not. I’m just going to busy myself with things I have more control over.
American Girl in Italy:
Thanks you for this heart-felt post. You describe well what many of us are going through. You are not alone. None of us are. we are all trying to find some peace and negotiate with ourselves that the price for that is to never forget what happened. To work and do as much as each of us can in our private and or public lives to call on people for using the deplorable and destructive tactics the BO’s camp and its MSM army has used.
When you write:
what I feel is: okay, as LJ said I will judge BO’s presidency for what he does from now on. But how I judge him as a person or even as a pol is a very different thing. I am not and will not forgive him, his minions,supportes and MSM for the damage they have done. I don’t and won’t forget BO’s sitting in that church and palling around with lunatics like Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan and Ayres for most of his adult life till now. These were his choices; and mean a lot.
Sure, I will try to judge what he does from now on and yes I want things to get better, for the country to stay strong and secure, for its people (we) to do well, and if he surrounds himself with good people that can achieve this I applaud that.
But I will never forget what happened. I will keep BO’s feet and those of his irrational supporters (which includes the MSM) to the fire. I will be vocal
criticisim him when criticism is due and will bring back the past if I see a pattern, or a reason for something that may be happening. I will be vigilant of him.
And we must ALL keep talking about the abuses of this election cycle. We must stay with it and say: No, that is wrong. We need to be careful not to start sweeping these under the rug b/c soon it’ll be 2010 and then 2012 and I will be watching how Mr. Axelrod prepares his plans for BO’s relection campaign.
BO gets from me an open mind. But he does not get a new blank page where he starts from scratch. Things are already written on that page of his. So it’s up to him to change (himself!); and make the next paragraph different. I certainly hope so for the sake of the country and of us all.
But how I regard him as a person includes what he has done or not done and who he has been till now: and that is indelible
I’m with OIAF. I “hope” (LOL) the corrupt Obama regime fails, and I’ll deal with whatever the repercussions of that failure myself. He’s not my President.
I agree entirely. That One will never be fit or qualified to be POTUS. He can’t fill up a good-sized chair, much less the one in the Oval Office. He occupies it for now and nothing more and is not my President, either. Usurper comes to mind as an adjective for That One.
Kathy,
You know I have been hardcore against Obama all these months for all the reasons given..
However, right now I couldn’t care if it was Al Capone himself that gamed this election.
This country is going off a cliff right now!!
We are all in this together and falling at the same time.
I have prayed that Obama will pick the right people
So far he has shown me that he gets it.
The choosing of Hillary with Bill and the Clinton machine backing her up are wonderful choices.
The new treasury pick helped yesterday.
I’m a business owner..I want results now!!!!!
You call Emmanuel I’m an a-hole Rahm, Bill Richardson, and a cadre of Chicago cronies the right team??!!! I don’t. Chicago-style politiks invades Washington. Look out!!
Moss, I hate to say it…Kathy is right. Rahm” “I’m a ballet dancer” Emanuel, Bill “I’m as old, tired and corrupt as Biden” Richardson, etc. are no big plus to this. You will see. And the corruption, theft, pork spending, pocketing of illegal funds, pocketing of OUR taxpayer dollars, you name it…it’s all just starting. Sorry for you Moss. I wish I could be like you. But it’s better to be informed and realistic than sorry later. I’m ready for it.
Hello OIAF..I thought we were going to Vegas to forget all this crap.
Yes, I agree with you on the corruption that will likely take place. Obama’s whole career is ethically challenged and built on sand.
Having said that as an owner that employs dozens of people I’m worried about my people now. This economy is in free fall. There will be plenty of time down the road to hold Obama accountable, but now we have to come together as Americans or die…That simple
National suicide must not be allowed to happen.
It won’t happen Moss; this country is built on its people and there are far larger entities, interests and other things than BO or GWB at play in its success or failure right now.
Moss…I leave for Vegas on Monday…You’re stuck with my being pissed until then
I know the position you are in. I run my own company too. And I AM coming together with AMERICANS…Just not the ones on your side. I am coming together with the Americans who will fight to get rid of Fraudbama ASAP. 50 Million Americans don’t want him.
I have not given up the fight either. We have different priorities..
When this campaign started coming to a close and it was realized that America was electing a closet Marxist that has ties to the extreme left radicals I went into full battle routine.
I now am involved with preserving industry in the pacific northwest. I belong and will chair the industrial council with the aim to protect businesses and industrial lands against the onslaught of new regulations.
I represent any one that makes anything and will protect workers and their jobs.
“the corruption, theft, pork spending, pocketing of illegal funds, pocketing of OUR taxpayer dollars, you name it…it’s all just starting” OIAF, I am sorry but I don’t agree it is just starting. The Bushes have looted this country. Our national debt is higher then it has ever been before in our history. Some of Obama’s followers have the idea that it is their turn to get their piece of the pie, but I think the pie was pretty much eaten up by the Bushes.
Kathy.
I’m not too worried about Ojudas in commerce. Whenever Richardson is in the cabinet he just seems to fade in somewhere. A token spot at any rate.
Rahm..I don’t know..I’m sure he will be fine considering Obama doesn’t want to fail a president.
You don’t win the whole game and then lose afterward.
Seattle Moss -
Obama will do what all narcissist do - since they don’t have a “center” they assume the personalities of the people that they surround themselves with. If Obama’s extensions are good, solid people, he will do good. If not, he will blame them for all his failures and then seek others to enable his narsissim.
This web site below helped me understand what it was like living with narcissim. Please read and get knowledgeable, it will save your sanity for the next 4 years.
The author sam v. is a narcisst and in one of his lucid periods he has documented living with narcissim. Very good and intense reading.
http://samvak.tripod.com/index.html
From the above link — how many of these traits does Obama exhibit???
Proposed Amended Criteria for the Narcissistic Personality Disorder
* Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);
* Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
* Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
* Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
* Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
* Is “interpersonally exploitative”, i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
* Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
* Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
* Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, “above the law”, and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.
To answer the original question I’m at #5, anger but without bargaining. I didn’t vote for the crook, and I gave plenty of money to the resistance. I don’t have to bargain a red cent. I’m staying right at #5. I’m not depressed, I haven’t lost a wink of sleep over Obama, nor have I ever shed a tear over his so-called victory. I am plain and simple angry and will continue to resist his criminal Third World, Congo-style usurping of the White House and the vitriolic racist sexist tactics of his campaign and supporters.
Forgot to add the only “change” I will except from Obama is his getting impeached and booted out of the White House.
The anger stage! Then Payback Turn off CNN MSNBC and every time the DNC calls for money Tell them to call Obama in order that he can collect some more foreign money One thing I know for sure is this is not a black and white issue It is about stealing a nomination. There is also more to life than cable news shows
Personally, I just keep coming back here when I need an extra dose of schadenfreude.
Schadenfreude–malicious pleasure taken from observing the misery of another.
And we’re supposed to welcome back little darlings like bargal and The Needle with open arms??!! Larry?? Bueller??
You’re cute when you foam at the mouth like that. Like a chihuahua with rabies.
Sweet, isn’t it? I drink their tears of rage like fine wine.
Bless your hearts little bots.
WTF is up with your web site bargal?
Thank you AGII. This is a great post. You also brought out the largest contingent of Obots since the election!
There was a book written about the 2000 selection called “Poor Winners.” “Poor Winners” is as good a name as any for the Obots who continue to come here.
The Obots, like Bushbots before them, are unwilling to move forward with their messiah’s agenda. They choose to continue to annoy those on their pre-election enemies list. This behavior indicates to me they never cared about “Hope” and “Change”. They are just looking for a place to be rude, nasty and arrogant.
Dear Obots, I would like to address you directly. (Larry and Susan have asked us to be civil, and I will abide by their request.) When you find out when and where the free gasoline and mortgage payments will be distributed, will you please let us know?
Open arms not required. Your impotent rage will do nicely.
[ADMINISTRATOR: Bye. Not goodbye. It's just bye -- as in begone with you. And we'll never give you another thought.]
Thank You. This has made my day.
Wow, this thread is like Oprah (whom I’ve boycotted, btw) on steroids!
I don’t see the 7 steps being applicable here. I don’t think we’ve “lost” America (yet, anyway). I think we’re being forced to accept an unqualified cheater with very bad policies. It’s an unfair burden, brought on mostly by peoples’ ignorance, which makes it sting like heck. The anger and fear can subside when the burden is lifted.
I mean, when somebody is choking you, you don’t ask yourself “How do I grieve this loss of air?” You’ve got to adopt a fighting attitude, and I will fight for what I believe to be best for this country and my family as long as I need to. No stages.
Ani, all the writing in the world won’t stop what has happend. In truth, America has already failed. For all of the reasons listed in the comments and your article. America has failed.
the truth us the truth and we shoulnt apologise for the truth.lets see if this comment gets posted or lost like the other one was.
Politics is a dirty business, and losers within a party almost always try to mend fences and work for the good of the platform. there’s absolutely nothing exceptional about Hillary working hard for Obama, and he may have promised the SoS to her months ago. How can any sensible Dem not want her to be in a powerful position? If Obama fails to end the war, straighten out the economy, get national health care, and secure the borders, we all will suffer! People like Hillary need to counsel him to move to a more moderate position than what he has claimed in Chicago.
Thank you for this very important and thoughtful post. We are grieving, each in our own way, and those who may mock your piece, in my opinion are mocking women. If Obama had not succeeded in stealing the nomination, no one would have told his supporters ‘get over it’. It’s a basic matter of respect.
My shock lasted weeks and is now abating a bit. I’m now able to turn on the radio or tv and hear ‘president-elect Obama’. I’m a bit relieved he’s putting good Clinton people around him, was scared he would fill his administration with neophyte radicals. But I’m still enraged. And I will NOT develop amnesia. In the personal as in the political, amnesia is dangerous.
I’m still avoiding friends who are Palin-bashers, as they just tare open the wound… I deserve better. Women deserve better.
Thanks again for this post.
The stage of ‘they’re all out of my life’… is that denial?