PUMA!!

The difference is when a woman is a feminist, she is always trying to advance the cause of women, in addition to other things. She certainly does not do what Pelosi did this year and that was do everything known to mankind to defeat a woman who was brilliantly qualified when Pelosi’s choice was laughable in comparison. Again, Steinem has certainly done her part over the years to advance women, although I’m still having trouble with her easy switch from Hillary to Obama.

Because a woman is pro-choice does not necessarily make her a ‘feminist’. There are many facets to feminism - equal rights, equal pay, electing women to political office, and putting women in the board rooms of corporate America to name a few.

Obviously we would not always support every woman. But what this election year should teach people in general and women in particular is when a woman is running she should be judged on her stands, beliefs, convictions, policies and (in most cases) anything else a male counterpart would be judged on. Neither male nor female should ever have to face questions and comments about their hair, bodies, clothes, parenthood, etc.

Primarily, women should be very careful about critizing a female candidate she doesn’t agree with.

Bill Clinton did it right when he talked about Sarah Palin. He said, “She is a candidate that should not be underestimated.” He spoke admiringly about how she had risen to power as well as expressed warmth toward her husband. He did finally add, “I would never vote for McCain/Palin because I have fundamental differences with them.”

Rosie O’Donald had initially been very critical of Sarah Palin, but eventually got it right when she said, “I think she is someone I would like to have a beer with.”
These are important lessons from 2008.

As one earnest man said once, “I’m a feminist who’s trying.” Many feminist women understand that, John. Thank you for your heartfelt comments.

My objection to ‘my gf’ is to the use of any version of ‘girl’ to refer to an adult (presumably adult) woman. It is the same denial of adult personhood that is illustrated by, e.g., calling an AA adult male ‘boy’ or an adult female ‘baby.’ I made the point in the context of this thread re the depth of misogyny in public life and have stuck with it to emphasize that we can’t just decry what happened to Hillary, but need to take a close look at how pervasive it is, and what it says about getting to ‘yes.’

There are still lots of choices of terms for everyone!

On a thread about sexism and misogyny in public life?

No, not in this lifetime!!

PUMA!!!

And you’re a little bit slow on the uptake, aren’t you (since you’re not the one I’m asking to stop this sh!t).

I think this phenonmenon, the overlooking of the most talented, most capable, in favor of the cutest, tallest, sexiest, most loyal, etc. is beginning to take a toll on our country.

If you need to invoke not only language usually considered to be swearing and unpleasant, and name-calling, and appeals to authority to get ‘your way’ on a comment, then I don’t know how much you can really contribute to a genuine discussion about sexism!

How ’bout you take some time to do some thinking about the original point, and about the way you have been reacting to it?

Sounds reasonable to me, JH.

PUMA!!!

I have already asked ONCE, this is the SECOND time, and the next time I’ll just ask someone else to stop this harassment.

Your overall tone and choice of words to use when defending your right to thingify a (probably) female person you say matters to you is abusive.

That doesn’t mean that the word clump ‘my gf’ is per se abusive, but the correlation between your do-or-die attitude and your militant use of the term certainly is suggestive!!

Wanna take a break to do some thinking yet? Might be good for both of you!!

CALLING SOMEONE THEIR GIRLFRIEND IS NOT ABUSIVE. PLEASE STOP HARASSING ME WITH YOUR BATSHIT INSANITY.

And for any posters who are still unfamiliar with how Obama stole the nomination, here’s a 98 page report to keep you busy. If we had any sort of unbiased media left, this would be common knowledge.

http://www.lynettelong.com/CAUCUSFRAUD/