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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1096575</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, fundamentally, there is a big difference between the Cheney Bush cabal, and the rest of us. 

Sides were chosen early. 

I&#039;m hoping we see a difference with Obama, those still in charge, within the military,  seem to detest the Cheneys, the Yoos, the Addingtons, it is difficult to articulate how severe our losses have been, under the leadership of THAT group.

And we need to win two wars, this isn&#039;t pretend, anymore. 

The Pentagon has to be good for something, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, fundamentally, there is a big difference between the Cheney Bush cabal, and the rest of us. </p>
<p>Sides were chosen early. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping we see a difference with Obama, those still in charge, within the military,  seem to detest the Cheneys, the Yoos, the Addingtons, it is difficult to articulate how severe our losses have been, under the leadership of THAT group.</p>
<p>And we need to win two wars, this isn&#8217;t pretend, anymore. </p>
<p>The Pentagon has to be good for something, right?</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1096568</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a conversation with a friend about this subject today. I asked him if he ever thinks about the pictures from Abu Ghraib. He said, &quot;no&quot;. Maybe too much has happened since or we have lost our ability to be outraged by things done by our own government. 

A hypothetical has been presented as an argument in favor of torture and suspension of habeas corpus; What if I knew a terror attack was planned and a member of my family would die if a person already in custody had the information to save him or her. It&#039;s a clever ruse because, of course, I love my family and would die for them so the real question being asked is; am I willing to &quot;sell my soul&quot; in exchange for the safety of my family?

It presents an unresolvable paradox for our country. If we become that which we loath in order to survive, we are no longer what we believed ourselves to be. We are asked to trust the government to protect our lives and, in the process, relinquish the very thing which has defined us to the world.

Throughout our history as a country, people have immigrated here because they have heard there is equity in our laws and opportunity for a better life. Even our enemies have respected us. A small group of radicals determined to cause damage to America has grown because of our lack of adherence to our own principles.

Does anyone truly believe Al Qaeda wants to kill all non-Muslims and convert the entire world to Islam only because of the teaching of Mohammed or because they despise our way of life? Islam has been around almost as long as Christianity so why have they waited centuries to begin their jihad?

Bush believes, along with all the neocons, it is our mission to force Democracy on other countries because it is his belief it will make us safer somehow and not out of any altruistic concern for the inhabitants who will die in great numbers before we achieve our safety and they, their freedom.

There have been many forms of government in the history of the world and when they become repressive, the citizens unite in a revolution and in time the revolutionaries are the oppressors and they cycle begins again. Democracy is a shinning example to others only for as long as we maintain our principles and morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a conversation with a friend about this subject today. I asked him if he ever thinks about the pictures from Abu Ghraib. He said, &#8220;no&#8221;. Maybe too much has happened since or we have lost our ability to be outraged by things done by our own government. </p>
<p>A hypothetical has been presented as an argument in favor of torture and suspension of habeas corpus; What if I knew a terror attack was planned and a member of my family would die if a person already in custody had the information to save him or her. It&#8217;s a clever ruse because, of course, I love my family and would die for them so the real question being asked is; am I willing to &#8220;sell my soul&#8221; in exchange for the safety of my family?</p>
<p>It presents an unresolvable paradox for our country. If we become that which we loath in order to survive, we are no longer what we believed ourselves to be. We are asked to trust the government to protect our lives and, in the process, relinquish the very thing which has defined us to the world.</p>
<p>Throughout our history as a country, people have immigrated here because they have heard there is equity in our laws and opportunity for a better life. Even our enemies have respected us. A small group of radicals determined to cause damage to America has grown because of our lack of adherence to our own principles.</p>
<p>Does anyone truly believe Al Qaeda wants to kill all non-Muslims and convert the entire world to Islam only because of the teaching of Mohammed or because they despise our way of life? Islam has been around almost as long as Christianity so why have they waited centuries to begin their jihad?</p>
<p>Bush believes, along with all the neocons, it is our mission to force Democracy on other countries because it is his belief it will make us safer somehow and not out of any altruistic concern for the inhabitants who will die in great numbers before we achieve our safety and they, their freedom.</p>
<p>There have been many forms of government in the history of the world and when they become repressive, the citizens unite in a revolution and in time the revolutionaries are the oppressors and they cycle begins again. Democracy is a shinning example to others only for as long as we maintain our principles and morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Elias Davidsson</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1096559</link>
		<dc:creator>Elias Davidsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the above writers seem to forget, is that in order to accuse, charge and convict accomplices to mass murder, it is necessary first to identify the perpetrators of the mass murder themselves. Contrary to widespread belief, the US authorities did not identify the mass murderers of 9/11.  This is not what I &quot;believe&quot;, but what can be ascertained by simply looking at the website of the FBI, where it is stated in clear letters that &quot;attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.&quot; ( http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm ). This is found on a press release by the FBI dated 27 September 2001, which has not been amended since. 

What is more, and far more serious than this little-known sentence, is that the US authorities have never produced any evidence, whatsoever, proving that any Muslim fanatic, let alone all 19 of them, actually boarded any of the airliners that crashed on 9/11.  Their names do not appear on any certified passenger list, their boarding cards have not been found, no one saw them boarding the planes, no video recordings exist of their boarding and their bodily remains were not duly identified.  The complete lack of evidence suggests that these 19 individuals did not board these planes and that we all have been grossly deceived by a fairy tale.  Anyone who doubts the above statements, can ascertain himself about their truth by checking my article that substantiates these statements. It is found on: http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/stories/911/noevidence.pdf

Questions and comments are welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the above writers seem to forget, is that in order to accuse, charge and convict accomplices to mass murder, it is necessary first to identify the perpetrators of the mass murder themselves. Contrary to widespread belief, the US authorities did not identify the mass murderers of 9/11.  This is not what I &#8220;believe&#8221;, but what can be ascertained by simply looking at the website of the FBI, where it is stated in clear letters that &#8220;attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way.&#8221; ( <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm</a> ). This is found on a press release by the FBI dated 27 September 2001, which has not been amended since. </p>
<p>What is more, and far more serious than this little-known sentence, is that the US authorities have never produced any evidence, whatsoever, proving that any Muslim fanatic, let alone all 19 of them, actually boarded any of the airliners that crashed on 9/11.  Their names do not appear on any certified passenger list, their boarding cards have not been found, no one saw them boarding the planes, no video recordings exist of their boarding and their bodily remains were not duly identified.  The complete lack of evidence suggests that these 19 individuals did not board these planes and that we all have been grossly deceived by a fairy tale.  Anyone who doubts the above statements, can ascertain himself about their truth by checking my article that substantiates these statements. It is found on: <a href="http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/stories/911/noevidence.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aldeilis.net/english/images/stories/911/noevidence.pdf</a></p>
<p>Questions and comments are welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: truthisgold</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1062483</link>
		<dc:creator>truthisgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeannie, yes indeed.  I&#039;m in.  cp7;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeannie, yes indeed.  I&#8217;m in.  cp7;)</p>
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		<title>By: truthisgold</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1062479</link>
		<dc:creator>truthisgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teak, as always, wise words and true.  As always, thx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teak, as always, wise words and true.  As always, thx.</p>
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		<title>By: truthisgold</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1062477</link>
		<dc:creator>truthisgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan,  thank you for such a well researched and written article.  Your work continues to contribute to the high level of standards maintained at NQ.

The erosion of all of the tenents and once-hallowed documents upon which our country was founded is, to put it mildly, deeply disturbing, and has of late begun to seem irrevocable.  It is only through the work of those like you, who are willing to seek the truth and share it that we, as a nation, can begin to work for reform and restoration of those rights and documents we all hold dear.

Regardless of the outcome, we must all remain committed to working for that in which we believe, for to do otherwise is to aid and abet those who would destroy it.

Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,  thank you for such a well researched and written article.  Your work continues to contribute to the high level of standards maintained at NQ.</p>
<p>The erosion of all of the tenents and once-hallowed documents upon which our country was founded is, to put it mildly, deeply disturbing, and has of late begun to seem irrevocable.  It is only through the work of those like you, who are willing to seek the truth and share it that we, as a nation, can begin to work for reform and restoration of those rights and documents we all hold dear.</p>
<p>Regardless of the outcome, we must all remain committed to working for that in which we believe, for to do otherwise is to aid and abet those who would destroy it.</p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: MrMike</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1060459</link>
		<dc:creator>MrMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is ultimately responsible for this sad state of affairs? 
Look in the mirror. 
In the same way we prefer not to know how that steak or that chicken arrived neatly wrapped in the meat section of our favorite supermarket we don&#039;t want to know what Bush was doing to keep us safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is ultimately responsible for this sad state of affairs?<br />
Look in the mirror.<br />
In the same way we prefer not to know how that steak or that chicken arrived neatly wrapped in the meat section of our favorite supermarket we don&#8217;t want to know what Bush was doing to keep us safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Your sweetie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1060248</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Your sweetie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jilted neoprogs&#039; fantasies to deal with harsh reality
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/jilted-neoprogs-hatch-secret-plan-dreams/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jilted neoprogs&#8217; fantasies to deal with harsh reality<br />
<a href="http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/jilted-neoprogs-hatch-secret-plan-dreams/" rel="nofollow">http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/jilted-neoprogs-hatch-secret-plan-dreams/</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1060126</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What wonderful post!

Sleeper Cell was a very interesting show. I am glad to hear they are making 8 more.

Now to the law breaking...It will not be prosecuted. It should be but it won&#039;t.

It is a stain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What wonderful post!</p>
<p>Sleeper Cell was a very interesting show. I am glad to hear they are making 8 more.</p>
<p>Now to the law breaking&#8230;It will not be prosecuted. It should be but it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It is a stain</p>
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		<title>By: ritamary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1060023</link>
		<dc:creator>ritamary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As has been stated on this website, and in many other places, many prisoners at Guantanamo were NOT captured on the battlefield. The United States offered a bounty ($25,000?) for any captured &quot;terrorist&quot;.

In the case of our &quot;allies&quot; in Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance, they randomly picked up people and sold them to the United States - including the very young, the very old, the mentally and physically disabled. Since none of them received a fair trial, how do we know they are terrorists? That is the problem. We don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has been stated on this website, and in many other places, many prisoners at Guantanamo were NOT captured on the battlefield. The United States offered a bounty ($25,000?) for any captured &#8220;terrorist&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the case of our &#8220;allies&#8221; in Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance, they randomly picked up people and sold them to the United States &#8211; including the very young, the very old, the mentally and physically disabled. Since none of them received a fair trial, how do we know they are terrorists? That is the problem. We don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Hap Hazard</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1060000</link>
		<dc:creator>Hap Hazard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are any of these terrorists US citizens or were they soldiers in uniform covered by any of the Geneva conventions upon capture?  No is the probable answer.  Not to justify torture, but it does temper my outrage.  In my opinion, many of them should simply have been killed when confronted on the battlefield, but I may be uninformed as to the particulars, so that may be a snap judgment.  Still, that is my initial reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are any of these terrorists US citizens or were they soldiers in uniform covered by any of the Geneva conventions upon capture?  No is the probable answer.  Not to justify torture, but it does temper my outrage.  In my opinion, many of them should simply have been killed when confronted on the battlefield, but I may be uninformed as to the particulars, so that may be a snap judgment.  Still, that is my initial reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanniejo</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-1059963</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanniejo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.grassfire.org/111/petition.asp?Ref_ID=1965&amp;PID=18672546

Obama&#039;s nation
has begun.

Join the
(Patriotic, Resilient, Conservative)
Resistance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.grassfire.org/111/petition.asp?Ref_ID=1965&amp;PID=18672546" rel="nofollow">http://www.grassfire.org/111/petition.asp?Ref_ID=1965&amp;PID=18672546</a></p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s nation<br />
has begun.</p>
<p>Join the<br />
(Patriotic, Resilient, Conservative)<br />
Resistance</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plan is to run movies about terror, and miniseries about terror, during the elections. See aslo, Sum of All Fears.

See also Red Dawn, Rambo.

At least we always win when Hollywood portrays it.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plan is to run movies about terror, and miniseries about terror, during the elections. See aslo, Sum of All Fears.</p>
<p>See also Red Dawn, Rambo.</p>
<p>At least we always win when Hollywood portrays it.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m excited!  I was concerned that, because the format of &quot;Sleeper Cell&quot; was a mini-series, that it might not return.  But, to link the paragraph I just added, I went to Showtime&#039;s Web page for &quot;Sleeper Cell&quot; and I see that, just today, they announced a new 8-part series:

 Showtime Networks has ordered a new, eight-hour television event based upon last year&#039;s Golden Golden®-nominated miniseries, SLEEPER CELL, it was announced today by Robert Greenblatt, President of Entertainment, Showtime Networks Inc. Michael Ealy (&quot;Barbershop,&quot; &quot;Their Eyes Were Watching God&quot;) and Oded Fehr (&quot;Resident Evil: Apocalypse,&quot; &quot;The Mummy&quot;) re-team for the frighteningly realistic drama, set to begin production in Los Angeles this summer. Creators Ethan Reiff &amp; Cyrus Voris will continue to serve as executive producers. ...

ALL
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/060404sc.do&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/060404sc.do&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited!  I was concerned that, because the format of &#8220;Sleeper Cell&#8221; was a mini-series, that it might not return.  But, to link the paragraph I just added, I went to Showtime&#8217;s Web page for &#8220;Sleeper Cell&#8221; and I see that, just today, they announced a new 8-part series:</p>
<p> Showtime Networks has ordered a new, eight-hour television event based upon last year&#8217;s Golden Golden®-nominated miniseries, SLEEPER CELL, it was announced today by Robert Greenblatt, President of Entertainment, Showtime Networks Inc. Michael Ealy (&#8221;Barbershop,&#8221; &#8220;Their Eyes Were Watching God&#8221;) and Oded Fehr (&#8221;Resident Evil: Apocalypse,&#8221; &#8220;The Mummy&#8221;) re-team for the frighteningly realistic drama, set to begin production in Los Angeles this summer. Creators Ethan Reiff &amp; Cyrus Voris will continue to serve as executive producers. &#8230;</p>
<p>ALL<br />
<a href="http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/060404sc.do" rel="nofollow">http://www.sho.com/site/announcements/060404sc.do</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/24/alienable-rights/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just added this paragraph:

Today, Raw Story published this story: &quot;Amnesty report claims CIA used private flights to hide terror rendition.&quot; We must ask ourselves if this is what we want our country to do to suspects. (If any of you caught the Showtime mini-series, Sleeper Cell, you&#039;re aware of the government&#039;s predicament in some situations with certain detainees. I won&#039;t say more in case you&#039;ve not seen the 10-part series, which is superbly, dramatically crafted, and which can be rented or seen via ITunes. It&#039;s must-see television that&#039;s thought-provoking. I&#039;ll just say that the government finds itself in a tough legal predicament and that I have sympathy for its problem.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just added this paragraph:</p>
<p>Today, Raw Story published this story: &#8220;Amnesty report claims CIA used private flights to hide terror rendition.&#8221; We must ask ourselves if this is what we want our country to do to suspects. (If any of you caught the Showtime mini-series, Sleeper Cell, you&#8217;re aware of the government&#8217;s predicament in some situations with certain detainees. I won&#8217;t say more in case you&#8217;ve not seen the 10-part series, which is superbly, dramatically crafted, and which can be rented or seen via ITunes. It&#8217;s must-see television that&#8217;s thought-provoking. I&#8217;ll just say that the government finds itself in a tough legal predicament and that I have sympathy for its problem.)</p>
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