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		<title>By: badleroybrown8</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1173451</link>
		<dc:creator>badleroybrown8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That has got to be one of the dumbest things I&#039;ve ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That has got to be one of the dumbest things I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Standing Up For Gay Rights Won&#8217;t Make You Popular &#124; Red Hot &#38; Blue Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1072301</link>
		<dc:creator>Standing Up For Gay Rights Won&#8217;t Make You Popular &#124; Red Hot &#38; Blue Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: whoframedrudy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1070587</link>
		<dc:creator>whoframedrudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It would be nice if we could just leave the churches and common law out of this and simply make it a civil matter.&quot;

But that&#039;s exactly what made these people go ballistic - the secularization of marriage, so I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a helpful strategy.

And let&#039;s be careful about this &#039;church and state&#039; stuff.  The man&#039;s name was the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.  The church can speak to the people on social issues.  Gays vs. religion?  Religion wins.  Not a good frame.

Religious conservatives worry about the institution of marriage -- divorce rate, etc.  Then give gays a stake in that institution and we&#039;ll help rebuild it.  After all, gays control Hollywood, TV, the newspapers, the liberal media -- snark.

We&#039;ve been dogmatized on this &#039;marriage is a right&#039; frame.  In the end, this is about &#039;coming out.&#039;  Coming out of the closet in the Bible Belt.  All the people in those posts have a close relative who is not straight -- they just don&#039;t know it.  Coming out works.

I like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48197-2004Nov13.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would be nice if we could just leave the churches and common law out of this and simply make it a civil matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s exactly what made these people go ballistic &#8211; the secularization of marriage, so I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a helpful strategy.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s be careful about this &#8216;church and state&#8217; stuff.  The man&#8217;s name was the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.  The church can speak to the people on social issues.  Gays vs. religion?  Religion wins.  Not a good frame.</p>
<p>Religious conservatives worry about the institution of marriage &#8212; divorce rate, etc.  Then give gays a stake in that institution and we&#8217;ll help rebuild it.  After all, gays control Hollywood, TV, the newspapers, the liberal media &#8212; snark.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been dogmatized on this &#8216;marriage is a right&#8217; frame.  In the end, this is about &#8216;coming out.&#8217;  Coming out of the closet in the Bible Belt.  All the people in those posts have a close relative who is not straight &#8212; they just don&#8217;t know it.  Coming out works.</p>
<p>I like <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48197-2004Nov13.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: DanNY</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069620</link>
		<dc:creator>DanNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like you are not tolerant or informed at all.</description>
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		<title>By: DanNY</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069601</link>
		<dc:creator>DanNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw MILK at the theater tonight - It is very good!  Five thumbs up! A must see!  I cannot get over how good it is.  Endorsed for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw MILK at the theater tonight &#8211; It is very good!  Five thumbs up! A must see!  I cannot get over how good it is.  Endorsed for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: Athena the Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069543</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena the Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straight guys are pushing that not gay women.  Take that up with the heterosexual males.  Women making out with other women to please men are heterosexual women not gay women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight guys are pushing that not gay women.  Take that up with the heterosexual males.  Women making out with other women to please men are heterosexual women not gay women.</p>
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		<title>By: workingclass artist</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069456</link>
		<dc:creator>workingclass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is essays and discussions like this that keep me a NQ freak and help me cope with missing my kid so much...Thanks you guys for a Kickass discussion even if it make my Brain Swell from thinking...or maybe that&#039;s from opening...chuckle...&lt;strong&gt;NQ AND IT&#039;S WRITERS/COMMENTERS ROCK! SERIOUSLY ONE OF THE ALL TIME BEST BLOG COMMUNITIES ANYWHERE...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT...&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is essays and discussions like this that keep me a NQ freak and help me cope with missing my kid so much&#8230;Thanks you guys for a Kickass discussion even if it make my Brain Swell from thinking&#8230;or maybe that&#8217;s from opening&#8230;chuckle&#8230;<strong>NQ AND IT&#8217;S WRITERS/COMMENTERS ROCK! SERIOUSLY ONE OF THE ALL TIME BEST BLOG COMMUNITIES ANYWHERE&#8230;NO DOUBT ABOUT IT&#8230;</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t have to like it but it won’t affect my marriage on[e] bit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. I wish more people of faith would feel that way.

As far as the divine judgment you believe in, that&#039;s personal and I embrace your right to worship as you deem fit, although I don&#039;t believe there is a judgmental divine entity awaiting us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t have to like it but it won’t affect my marriage on[e] bit.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. I wish more people of faith would feel that way.</p>
<p>As far as the divine judgment you believe in, that&#8217;s personal and I embrace your right to worship as you deem fit, although I don&#8217;t believe there is a judgmental divine entity awaiting us.</p>
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		<title>By: Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069445</link>
		<dc:creator>Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s in Canada, but I was unaware of it. I see no sign that will ever happen in the US. I would oppose the state imposing same gender marriage on the clergy although I hope &lt;strong&gt;some day&lt;/strong&gt; all religions &lt;strong&gt;voluntarily&lt;/strong&gt; change and embrace it. :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s in Canada, but I was unaware of it. I see no sign that will ever happen in the US. I would oppose the state imposing same gender marriage on the clergy although I hope <strong>some day</strong> all religions <strong>voluntarily</strong> change and embrace it. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: WildChild</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069442</link>
		<dc:creator>WildChild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the church is renting out its facilities for secular events,  equal protection laws would apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the church is renting out its facilities for secular events,  equal protection laws would apply.</p>
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		<title>By: AOK</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069439</link>
		<dc:creator>AOK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a straight, married man and my religious beliefs are against homosexuality. But as a God fearing christian, it&#039;s my understanding that &lt;strong&gt;only&lt;/strong&gt; God can judge man. If gay marriage is not deemed unconstitutional, then by all means let them marry. I don&#039;t have to like it but it won&#039;t affect my marriage on bit. Man should live at let live. Leave the judgment of these people up to God. You&#039;ll feel better. I promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a straight, married man and my religious beliefs are against homosexuality. But as a God fearing christian, it&#8217;s my understanding that <strong>only</strong> God can judge man. If gay marriage is not deemed unconstitutional, then by all means let them marry. I don&#8217;t have to like it but it won&#8217;t affect my marriage on bit. Man should live at let live. Leave the judgment of these people up to God. You&#8217;ll feel better. I promise.</p>
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		<title>By: workingclass artist</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069436</link>
		<dc:creator>workingclass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galt..I am not alarmist wily nily...A Catholic Bishop in Canada is being threatened with criminal prosecution by the state....To the RCC all of this is kinda the same thing to them...it affect Church Authority...And although Churches are supposed to be protected how come a church run facility is being sued in California for not renting space to a Gay couple...Can you see how confused folks can get about this stuff? I&#039;m just exposing the argument even if it makes people uncomfortable because it is a real argument to them and if it is to b either disproven or resolved it needs to be put up front...No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galt..I am not alarmist wily nily&#8230;A Catholic Bishop in Canada is being threatened with criminal prosecution by the state&#8230;.To the RCC all of this is kinda the same thing to them&#8230;it affect Church Authority&#8230;And although Churches are supposed to be protected how come a church run facility is being sued in California for not renting space to a Gay couple&#8230;Can you see how confused folks can get about this stuff? I&#8217;m just exposing the argument even if it makes people uncomfortable because it is a real argument to them and if it is to b either disproven or resolved it needs to be put up front&#8230;No?</p>
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		<title>By: WildChild</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069431</link>
		<dc:creator>WildChild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know, a lower case I looks a lot like a lower case L when you don&#039;t have your reading glasses on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know, a lower case I looks a lot like a lower case L when you don&#8217;t have your reading glasses on.</p>
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		<title>By: WiidChild</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069429</link>
		<dc:creator>WiidChild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)</description>
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		<title>By: workingclass artist</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/30/standing-up-for-gay-rights-wont-make-you-popular/#comment-1069426</link>
		<dc:creator>workingclass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to keep reading up on it...I am not opposed to Gay Marriage...I am wary of State and Church Relations...Your reasoning has provoked in me the need to broaden and study more...&lt;em&gt;Sometimes my brain just hurts...from effort to learn and understand...chuckle...&lt;/em&gt;
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to keep reading up on it&#8230;I am not opposed to Gay Marriage&#8230;I am wary of State and Church Relations&#8230;Your reasoning has provoked in me the need to broaden and study more&#8230;<em>Sometimes my brain just hurts&#8230;from effort to learn and understand&#8230;chuckle&#8230;</em><br />
Thanks.</p>
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