Harvey Milk * A Tribute, A Movie
By Lena Grove aka nasuS on December 1, 2008 at 4:15 PM in Current Affairs
UPDATE: This is a foreword. Below the fold, you will see that I allowed myself to lapse into a stream of consciousness for a short while. That is a style of writing that was employed by William Faulkner and many great writers. I am most certainly not in their league, but sometimes I enjoy it. During the past few days, I’ve seen and heard programming that has affected me cumulatively. Those programs included Charlie Rose’s interview of Baz Luhrmann, the Aussie director of the new movie, “Australia” and of the exquisitely beautiful ad for Chanel No. 5, said to be the most expensive television ad ever created. I also watched a movie on IFC, “Bee Season,” which is in part about the mystical power of words. And today I listened to this Rose show about “Milk” for the second time. And I’ve been reading some poetry in The New Yorkers piled up by my bed. And I’ve been drawn to the scenes in “West Wing” in which the characters refer to great music and great writing. That scene when President Barlet reads to Leo from Hemingway: “The world breaks everyone and afterwards many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break, it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially.” I am reaching to the arts to get beyond the political because my soul yearns for how art can nourish me and allow me to escape the pain. With that, here we go. – Your nasuS (even when it says NoQuarter, I am always she, but the Obots forced me to hide who I am, and that has been very traumatic too. I risk stating this solely because, to my puzzlement, many readers don’t realize it is I, your devoted nasuS, always here for you best I can but rather fragile these days. It is very painful for me when I see you don’t realize it is I, and that I’m forced to state it. It would be so much better if I didn’t say so at all, ever. But, anyway, so it goes.)
Here’s a tip for you economics buffs …
ECONOMICS BUFFS: Watch the portion with Josh Brolin. Right around the 48-minute mark. He has made a bunch of money with a special kind of trading — and I’ll be damned if I can remember what it was called. (UPDATE: It’s called PULLBACKS. Interesting.) I was in the bedroom while I watched, and couldn’t find a pen. But you’ll hear it. And, women, Josh Brolin. He’s as brainy as he is …
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After moving to San Francisco, the middle-aged New Yorker, Harvey Milk, became a Gay Rights activist and city politician. On his third attempt, he was elected to San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors in 1977, making him the first openly gay man to be elected to public office in the USA. The following year, both he and the city’s mayor, George Moscone, were shot to death by former city supervisor, Dan White, who blamed his former colleagues for denying White’s attempt to rescind his resignation from the board.
Milk was filmed on location in San Francisco. Many of Mr. Milk’s real-life surviving friends and former associates participated in the making of this film, several appearing on camera. READ ALL, check out the full list of actors, and more, at IMDb.com, one of my all-time favorite Web sites. |
I suppose we’ll see many comments about Sean Penn. But, you know, he may be wrong about many things, but he’s so pure in his passion and he cares so deeply. I say we let Sean Penn be Sean Penn. I say we get a kick out of him. I say we look for those with whom we agree who might — just might — have the same heart and purity of passion.
Sean Penn is a sauvage. An untamed, uncaged beast of a being. Primal, earthy, curious like a cat, prowling, pacing, pugnacious, pliant.
Pawky.
Panting.
Passionately principled.
Sans affect or pastiche.
Plagued by endless questions.
Incurably curious.
Unpolished.
Uncareful.
Wandering the night, unable to sleep, pawing, growling, clawing, prodding, nuzzling, indecently flicking the leaves with his testicles, tickling the stars with his whiskers … on the go … copulating with ideas, any idea, every idea.
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Tolerance.
It’s out of fashion.
Sadly.
On all sides of politics.
The courtly days of politics are gone, but for the facade, mostly.
There always was a facade about it, but today’s Obamabots don’t even bother with a facade –they’re just brutal, nasty, threatening, and destructive. They think nothing of destroying other Democrats’ businesses simply because those Democrats dared not to be for Obama. They think nothing of attacking a disabled person with no other income simply to torment that disabled person, who is on disability partly due to severe PTSD, because that disabled person supported another Democrat than Obama. They think nothing of using the real names of professionals whose entire futures may be jeopardized because prospective employers will “Google” their names and see all these entries condemning that person, calling them falsely a racist.
People capable of doing things like that to other human beings are sociopaths or psychopaths.
If Sean Penn had any clue — any at all — of what happened to many of the people who frequent this blog and write for this blog, he would be crestfallen. I HOPE he is a decent man who would deplore such tactics against other Democrats.
If Charlie Rose had any clue — any at all — of what was done to all of us, of the fear we all had to live in — when Google Maps to our homes were posted all over the Internet, and leaflets were distributed to our neighbors deploring our racism, and we never knew if — when someone knocked at the door — there would be a shotgun that would blow through that door. To us. All of us writers here at this blog who are LIBERALS. Who supported Hillary Clinton’s universal health care system and the increase of Medicare benefits and the sustainability of Social Security and much more. “Socialist” ideas that we have all adopted in this country very successfully, and have ended the horrific poverty that Steve In KC described below earlier today.
What would Charlie Rose and Sean Penn say, and do, if they knew that there are hundreds of posts all over the Internet that make fun of me for how I walk (because I’m disabled), and which call someone dear to me a “lesbian whore”? That it was Obama supporters who did that to us?
The most devout of the Obama supporters refuse to believe me when I tell them. They assume it’s some rightwing conspiracy. If only that were the case. No, it was the young thugs who beat on us endlessly, mercilessly simply because we preferred another Democrat.
Well, if people like Sean Penn and Charlie Rose ever wish to find out what really happened to all of us during this election season, I have saved every single comment with every single IP# and e-mail address. I have them all. Sean Penn and Charlie Rose will be astounded. Dumbfounded.
What’s so ironic is that while most of the NoQuarter writers and readers are still gripped by wholly understandable anger and worry about Barack Obama’s presidency — and his right to be president — for some reason I have, as they say, moved on.
My reason is quite simple: Our country and the world are in dire straits, and we need Barack Obama to succeed. To wish him to fail would be so twisted, and would help harm our nation. Oh, don’t you worry one second: I will watch him like a hawk. And we’re DEDICATED TO BEING “CITIZEN JOURNALISTS” IN A DESPERATE HOPE THAT WE CAN BRING YOU THE STORIES THAT THE MSM WILL NOT GIVE YOU. Thank God for Larry Johnson. He has so much experience in counterterrorism, in international politics, in the military, in the State Department, and in the CIA that he can tell us things, and give us perspectives, we’d never otherwise get.
Thank God we have so many writers — both female and male — who are watching for ANY sign of sexism, and who will not stop writing about sexism. NEVER. I also doubt that Sean Penn and Charlie Rose know how deeply we women were devastated by the overt and subtle sexism during the election season, and we so wish they knew. We desperately need more outlets to get the word out. THANK GOD FOR DR. LYNETTE LONG, whose radio show on sexism is tonight.
Charlie Rose should invite Dr. Long, along with her good friend Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild and our dear Dr. Violet Socks, to be guests on his show for a discussion on sexism. He could also invite Medusa and Bud White and Ani and Reverend Amy and our other writers who are extremely articulate and highly educated, and who write very authoritatively on sexism and feminism.
That was a digression … Back to the matter at hand:
The most important thing that WE can do is to not become just like them.
Sometimes, in comments here, I see that we are in danger of becoming THEM.
We are better than they because we will not allow ourselves to be like them. We will practice what we preach. We will do unto others …
Oh, and here’s a wonderful link for browsing: All Books and more about Harvey Milk










































I can’t wait to see this movies. Sean Penn is brilliant!
Me too, Bud. Me too. Perhaps you’ll see it and treat us to a review? That would be grand.
That story always leaves me with a soft spot in my heart for Diane Feinstein — who all the liberals love to revile — because she went through such hell that day and endured it all and grew stronger and kept on keeping on. She is an impressive person. And it is doubtless why she has become a more cautious, centrist Democrat — such life-altering acts of violence tend to do that to those who survive it intact and sane.
Hillary said, women’s rights are human rights. She was brave and right. Can we say, gay & lesbian rights are human rights?
We most certainly can and should. If we don’t, who will?
Yes THAT is the reason why we must stand up for gay and lesbian — because they ARE indeed human beings — if WE don’t stand up for them WHO will be left to stand up for us?
10 minutes into the film and he starts bashing Palin…shame
I meant to mention that in my section about sexism but it slipped my mind. But if he reads this (fat chance, I realize), I trust he will realize that that was wholly unnecessary.
It is there that he bows to the mob in giving them what they love to hear. If he did that to help sell his movie to the Obamabot mob, I will turn on him. But I don’t think it was that calculcated — it was more that where he lives, Sarah Palin was surely a favored target of condemnation.
Actually, there are some things I condemn her for. But we needn’t get into that here. And, it is undeniable that she can’t carry water for most of the top female political officials in this nation.
His remark is correct in that she is rather ignorant — just like George Bush — but I see in her more possibility.
I remember Doris Kearns Goodwin recalling sitting next to her at a luncheon before her VP nomination, and Goodwin said she was very impressed with the number of books that Sarah Palin had read about Abraham Lincoln.
Now — WHY IN THE HELL her campaign NEVER EXPOSED THAT SIDE OF SARAH is beyond me. IT would have altered how Penn et al. felt about her — they’d never vote for her, but they’d have gotten a truer picture of her.
Still, she has much to learn about contemporary world politics.
Perhaps she can run for U.S. Senator in six years? That will give her a wonderful opportunity to learn more about the world.
“My reason is quite simple: Our country and the world are in dire straits, and we need Barack Obama to succeed. To wish him to fail would be so twisted, and would help harm our nation.”
No, I’m sorry. I am a tough love kinda gal and we cannot reward fraud, propaganda, and cultish behavior with a “successful” Obama presidency.
I don’t want him to fail so badly that America is destroyed, but I definitely do not want him to succeed.
We’ll survive 4 more mediocre years. The world will not end if we don’t fix all our problems between now and 2012, despite what the Mayan calendar may suggest.
You glossed over the entirety of what I said, and pulled out of context a remark, and you did that so that you could vent and put me down. Venting is important. So is putting down other people because one must take out one’s anger on whoever is nearest. I hope you feel better. – nasuS
Where on EARTH did I personally put you down in my comment? NOWHERE. There is NO PERSONAL ATTACK to be found. I simply disagree with you on that point.
Please, your hypersensitivity is way over the top here. If you don’t want people to disagree with things you write, then make that clear in a huge disclaimer at the top of your pieces. But I think it’d be more productive if you chilled out a bit and let people have their differing opinions without taking it so personally.
Yeesh.
It must be that I completely misread your remarks. My perceptions, my senses couldn’t possibly be correct. It must be that severe PTSD kicking in — exacerbated by the Obots constant efforts to undo every facet of my life, my real life, my home, my physical safety, my financial security, and the viability of my loved ones’ businesses. That’s no excuse, of course. It is what it is. It is a monstrous pressure that nearly has undone me. But, no matter what others tell me about how I should have perceived something, there’s always that nagging certainty that my instincts prove, nearly always, to have been correct, so I’ll comfort myself with that minute possibility, and issue a formal if apprehensive apology to you for insulting you.
Wouldn’t it be something if i had your certainty that you’re correct.
Actually, i prefer having my confused senses, for reasons only I can appreciate and cannot explain to someone who knows they’re correct.
That’s a bit snide, a bit retaliatory. I have no weaponry against black and white certainty. Except to avoid it, and those who have it.
I prefer the insomniac sauvages like Sean Penn who have more questions than answers, and incurable curiosity, and wonderment and even a bit of priceless naivete.
It’s why I’m drawn to people like Steve Clemons. I’m sure many who read his blog find him a hopelessly naive person. But Steve is uncommonly optimistic and hopeful. He sees good where others do not. He holds dear the possibility evoked in that Coke ad song about “perfect harmony” and that is so touching. Even if he is unrealistic. At least he refuses to give in to cynicism and hate. Which are dreaded attitudes that cut one off from all possibility. Cynicism is impenetrable armor, that is true. But it helps no one except one’s self, and so it is utterly selfish.
Thanks for the explanation. I in no way intended to harass you with my comment – I just feel very strongly that it would be bad for America in the long run if Obama “succeeds” and ends up being lauded as this great Savior of the country, thus encouraging more cult-like thinking and adoration.
I also think America has a lot of excess and some belt-tightening might not be bad for the collective American character. Americans are spoiled with our large-screen TVs and iPods – I don’t want to see people go back to being poor but we should maybe learn to be a bit more frugal and fiscally conservative.
Hillary or Bust, I most wholeheartedly concur. I cannot support or condone anything or anyone that perpetrates transgressions of the severity and frequency that Mr. BO and his ruthless band of thugs did. I have no reason to believe that they will suddenly stop, mend their ways, and be good for our country. He has already realized that he is so incredibly out of his league that he has had no choice but to desperatly try to enlist as much of the Clinton administration as he can–for, despite fervent protestations that the Clintons were B-A-D and that *change* was needed in Washington, it is obvious that nothing could have been farther from the truth–and that, after all, neither he nor anyone else could truly object to the peace or the prosperity we enjoyed during the Clinton years.
One can only hope that indeed, Mr. O will end up with what he deserves without managing to take the rest of us down with him. As so often happens when individuals without principle push their way to the top unearned, they are ill equipped to remain and, having stepped on better heads to get there, have destroyed all those who could bail them out when the trouble starts. This time, it looks like he’s got Hillary to clean up the mess, and that means that WE do too. Her mind, her record and her commitment are impecable, and, when he falls, we can rest easily knowing that somehow, she will carry us forward. Until then…no, I most certainly do NOT wish him well in any way, shape or form.
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This blog is starting to get weird.
I used to do some “creative” writing, and felt in the mood today. I apologize if you found it weird.
nasuS, you can of course apologize. But I would not appologize because someone thought what I said was weird. Weird is good in my book. We have way too much mundane normalcy in this world.
Amen to that. I think we need more weird. On another thread they were not too kind to Frank Zappa (I have all his records) who embodied weirdness, after a fashion. I say be weird.
My 2 cents: Zappa was a genius! He was an amazing composer and social commentator!
Yes indeed…going to Montana, gonna be a dental floss tycoon…
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The blog is many things and those things mean different things to different people, depending on perspective, mood, etc. That being said, there is an adjustment period going on as folks try to reconcile the (s)election. There are also new people writing for the blog who came on board during the (s)election. I anticipate more change as the metamorphosis continues and the authors expand into other areas. I think you might find things get even weirder. But entropy is a good thing if you can give up preconceived notions and expectations — you could end up with a YAFGO (yet another fucking growth opportunity).
Galt, love yr name and your wise words! Many thx and keep comin’ back! IWIFWI
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Hey thanks!
Since I’m on dial-up I can’t easily view videos.
Sean Penn is a brilliant actor — I’ve seen one of his performances and he because a mentally challenged father, he was absolutely believable.
Expats who live overseas who did NOT vote for Obama are being harassed. Generally expat communities are small and the always superior (in their minds) Europeans and liberal Canadians are giving Americans grief for not voting for the ONE. American expat who didn’t vote for Obama are being called racists.
I’ve heard that a creep Obot allowed to return to NQ — known as Under Cover “black” man — has exposed many bloggers who chose not to vote for Obama. If this is correct then I don’t understand why this Obot has been allowed to return and continue to harass individuals here at NQ.
A few months ago an Obot posted personal information about certain people here at NQ — and this Obot threatened to out everyone who posts here at NQ. This person was delusional, vile and vicious. NOT once have has Obama cautioned his followers in their use of strong arm intimidation tactics. I took a screen shot of the threats and the personal information blasted by the Obot — it is my proof of how vicious these Neanderthals are towards anyone who refuses to bow down and worship their messiah.
My expat friends are distraught at being called racist by Europeans — my friends are NOT racists — they judge people as individuals. It seems that one can no longer have different opinion about the POLICY of a candidate without being smeared as a racist.
Imagine every single time you go out in a small expat community another expat will call you a racist or lecture you about how wonderful Obama is because of the color of his skin.
In a rural community when people go door to door acting like you are a sexual predator — rather than someone who loves America and who cannot for love of country vote for Obama — eventually the neighbors might start to believe that you are a bad person and a racist because you won’t vote for Obama.
This sort of extreme treatment of those who do not conform is how cults operate — and we are seeing this cult like devotion on a GLOBAL scale.
Harvey Milk did not conform to society’s norms — and he was assassinated for being different.
Charlie Rose was soooooooo in the tank for Soetorobama that he blushed at the mere mention of his name!
rolling, well…you’re right of course…it was most distressing to witness…about all the best I can say is, at least he didn’t torture us with talk about the tingles in his leg…
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At least on some of his shows he gets some great guests. IT was so cool when I found that video of the economist about whom LD was educating us recently…. Charlie had interviewed him. There are NOT many shows left where such guests get more than 30-60 seconds to say anything! Charlie gives them at the least 20 minutes, which is so great.
God i miss all the conversation shows. and i also miss the third PBS channel I used to get on DISH — probably eliminated to save some money — they showed old PBS shows.
THEN — in the late 1990s on my Seattle cable system, there was a second CBS station that aired ALL of the great old black-and-white CBS greats — from Edward R. Murrow’s great documentaries (including that brilliant one about migrant workers — name anyone?) to Murrow’s interviews and all of David Frost’s interviews, from Richard Nixon to Richard Burton and Liz Taylor. And all of Jackie’s tour of the White House. And Dick Cavett’s interviews. And Jack Parr! oh i love that all.
And I miss Tom Snyder terribly and it makes me ill that NBC locks away all of his great interviews. Dopes. It really upset Tom too. I miss him. I wish he hadn’t died.
Tom and his Color-tini.
– Susan
One of the books on Harvey Milk, The Mayor of Castro Street: The Life and Times of Harvey Milk was written by Randy Shilts, author of And the Band Played On. Shilts was an excellent writer and reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle. He was the first “openly gay reporter with a gay beat.” When his book on Milk was published in 1982, “the very idea of a gay political biography was brand-new.”
Anyway, just as a personal preference and not to be a grump, but I would drop the word “citizen” from “citizen journalists.” I get your dedication to issues and desire to separate yourselves from the hacks that MSM offers. But would still say that NoQuarter’s writers are “journalists.” Far far far far better than any drooling doofus the MSM gives us daily. Far more insightful, intelligent, knowledgable and needed. Thanks!
I completely agree!! NQ far surpasses any of the pap that msm tries to pass off on the public.
I got to see Harvey speak in front of an outdoor crowd. His fans were shedding tears of joy literally. That was back in 1977 or 78.
I would agree that Sean Penn is a great actor, and he definitely has a lot of passion for many things. It would appear one of his passions is spreading rumors about Sarah Palin. I don’t think she’d get such a kick out of, and I certainly don’t.
I would like to think he would deplore such tactics against anyone, but in light of his ridiculous assumptions and statements about Sarah Palin, I’m not sure I think he would.
I agree our country is in dire straits. But for me, rewarding the corruption of Barack Obama would cause more harm than anything. It doesn’t matter how much you, we, all of us, bring the issue of sexism and misogyny to the MSM. If Obama is successful, the country will do nothing, because if we’ve proven one thing this election year, it’s that the only thing that matters is winning. This country rewards winners, and overlooks how they attained their goal. With the corruption of Obama, the DNC, and the MSM, we’ve opened that door so wide I wonder if we’ll ever be able to close it.
How could they possibly NOT know?
I may not agree with your post, nasuS, but I always appreciate the passion and heart with which you write. Thank you for your courage in sharing your views.
SF, I agree that Penn is a tremendous actor and most probably a fine person with a great deal of integrity. His craft is incredible to watch–he so surrenders to character as to be nearly unrecognizeable in a part, his voice being the only giveaway. That being said, I truly believe that, as highly intelligent that he is, he simply does not know what we know and believe to be true about BO, his past and his origins. Like many good people, who have difficulty seeing past their own goodness to recognize badness in others, I truly believe that he simply has not been privy to all the information on BO and all the difficulties suffered by many both here at NQ and elsewhere during the course of this selection campaign. I will not stop watching his films because we disagree on politics, nor will I change my beliefs based upon what I believe to be true about Obama.
We all agree some of the time, we all disagree some of the time, but hopefully, not all at once, all of the time!
truthisgold, I’ve talked to a number of fairly intelligent people, most recently at Thanksgiving dinner, and expressed my views of Obama – things that we know about him, his past, his origins – and finally had to confront a truth. Some of what I said they knew, some of what I said they did not know, but NONE of what I said mattered to them. They did not deny what I said, they did not claim it to be untrue, they simply did not place any value on it. They simply did not care.
I find it hard to believe that Sean Penn, as intelligent as he is, as involved as he is, is not aware of the things we all are.
And, while I don’t disagree that at his core he may very well be a good person, being in the business he’s in I truly doubt that he has trouble “seeing past his own goodness to recognize badness in anyone else”! He certainly didn’t have a problem doing so with Sarah Palin, even if his observations were completely false!
I think Sean Penn needs to be taken down from his pedestal! I guess we’ll agree he’s a great actor. I think we’ll have to disagree that he has no awareness of Obama’s past; I think he knows but it simply has no relevance for him.
A findle… you are spot on… too much ‘forgiveness’ at this stage of the game only serves to weaken the prospect of any kind of reform.. its sad really…all the work and energy of the PUMAs apparently being drowned out by a new brand of collective kool aide…
SF, I don’t disagree with you–perhaps I gave Penn a bit too much benefit of the doubt there. Like you, I have found few people that knew what we do, and fewer still that cared one way or the other. Your point is well taken with regard to Palin as well–it seems to be a Hollywood thing [not that that's any excuse], with Matt Damon, George Clooney and others parroting the same lines throughout.
Have no fear. Mamma Hillary is here. He can’t fail with Hillary answering the 3 am phone. BHO can GO ASK MAMMA. She ran the whitehouse business for Bill now she gets to do it for another guy. Sheesh. When can a woman take credit where credit is due?
There would be alot more success on the horizon if Nancy Pelosi retired. All Bailout money is missing. Citigroup bailout is down the drain because no one wants their bad notes and that was the whole point to their bailout money…wasted money. Piglosi is a failure. Her stimulus and bailouts are putting our kids in the poorhouse and they are not helping the credit market!
AND I’m tired of partisanship. Is Sean Penn slamming Governor Palin because he’s a old worn out DemocRAT?Well there are Democrats and DemocRATS. Big difference. The MSM is putting bad ideas in people minds. Even my 89 yr old dad said he liked the Governor but she was too shrill………argh. ‘It’s a Women’s voice dad’ I said..that’s a womens voice not a shrill…so he learned it from the talking heads on MSM. Disgusting.
A woman speaking passionately is “shrill?” Ugh. I think next time a man is speaking passionately I will call them “shrill” as well.
Naw Mate, just call them angry. :mrred:
Women don’t have deep voices usually. Get used to it!
Harvey Milk was a pervert heathen. He fought against all that is right and holy. We need somebody like Sarah who will stand up for America and real Americans. Those who are not seduced by this perversion. Hillary unfortunately has not been an opponent of the homo agenda but I only hope she deep down believes it is evil and subversive to the American way. Sarah 2012.
I think you will find Sarah Palin, hillary and obama have the same take on homosexuality… and from what I undersand, it certainly isn’t yours!
Sarah is not pro homo. Take it to the bank. She is a pro family Christian.
Interesting article…Artists are required by virtue of vocation to occasionally wander into the minefield of Politics since like Philosophy Art is a political activity…It took me many years to grasp this dictum handed down from a wily professor in my youth…Of course there are subtle degrees…Actors who seek to create and not just interpret cross over from the artisan to the artist…and it can be a lonely road…
Art is not and has never been for the faint hearted…And although the immediately successful ones ( in terms of a conventional idea of success ) often rise because they are either controversial or popular…or a combination of both…it does not mean what they produce is necessarily Great Art which is often many years beyond the culture that produces it and it takes time to analyze beyond the sensational.
Seeking refuge in Great Art is a risky endeavor…For Great Art is meant to provoke and disturb and become a voice in the heart and mind of the audience…indeed…this is the fundamental impetus for it’s creation…Even the “prettiest” Mozart diddly is so powerful as to sweep away and challenge…and awaken a terrible yearning…
workingclass, bravo! [brava?] So finely and accurately stated.