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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1078244</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooooo confusing. I thought if you declined part D &amp; years later tried to pick it up you paid an outrageous penalty, like 1% a day for life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooooo confusing. I thought if you declined part D &amp; years later tried to pick it up you paid an outrageous penalty, like 1% a day for life</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton On Best Political Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Medicare/Medicaid Fiasco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton On Best Political Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Medicare/Medicaid Fiasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Medicare/Medicaid Fiasco Finally, I beg of you, if you care about the Universal Health Insurance that first brought Hillary Clinton to the world stage, don’t&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076778</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Tricia!  That makes me feel good! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Tricia!  That makes me feel good! <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076776</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, I think the Bush Administration as a whole will be, and in fact is being analyzed in Political Science classes, but I doubt any practical lessons will be learned there.  Often, analyses of corruption serve as lessons on how to get away with it more than how to prevent it!  

Now that's cynical... on my part!

I agree that healthcare administration classes should include teaching how good programs were crafted in such a political way that the rich get richer, and the poor get screwed.

Health administrators should be educated in how the system is gamed by corruption, and what kind of political corrections need to be made for it to work as it should, in my opinion.

I appreciate your contribution to the comments here. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, I think the Bush Administration as a whole will be, and in fact is being analyzed in Political Science classes, but I doubt any practical lessons will be learned there.  Often, analyses of corruption serve as lessons on how to get away with it more than how to prevent it!  </p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s cynical&#8230; on my part!</p>
<p>I agree that healthcare administration classes should include teaching how good programs were crafted in such a political way that the rich get richer, and the poor get screwed.</p>
<p>Health administrators should be educated in how the system is gamed by corruption, and what kind of political corrections need to be made for it to work as it should, in my opinion.</p>
<p>I appreciate your contribution to the comments here. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tricia Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076638</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for such a full look at this situation.  Yuo really help us understand what is going on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for such a full look at this situation.  Yuo really help us understand what is going on!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Donna!  I would have benefitted from chatting with you while I was writing this piece!

It is so discouraging to want to help people with the programs you represent, but have your hands tied by regulations that often make no sense and too often leave the most vulnerable folks with the least assistance.  

It was more than I could handle, and I empathize completely with your experiences.

Thank you very much for adding to this commentary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Donna!  I would have benefitted from chatting with you while I was writing this piece!</p>
<p>It is so discouraging to want to help people with the programs you represent, but have your hands tied by regulations that often make no sense and too often leave the most vulnerable folks with the least assistance.  </p>
<p>It was more than I could handle, and I empathize completely with your experiences.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for adding to this commentary!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076393</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't plead insanity, but I don't deny it either! ;)

To my way of thinking, this program was mismanaged, so one can only hope that working out a Universal Medical program would be better, having learned from mistakes of the past.  

Maybe the Hope for Change pres-elect can pull it off. /snark

My primary hope for a Universal coverage plan would be for those who fall through the cracks of the current systems.  It only takes a minor change in one's income, or government regulations, for someone to suddenly lose their Medicaid, for example.  My biggest objection to the Medicare Plan D, besides mismanagement, is that it decreased Medicaid funding, leaving many people without coverage that were previously covered.  My hope is that a future plan will make sure that families without insurance because of low income will be able to get a modicum of reasonable healthcare without forcing them into living on the streets.

Obviously, there is no way that private sector companies are going to provide any relief for low income people in any meaningful way.

Again, that's just my opinion, and I may very well be insane, but I'm not stoopid. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t plead insanity, but I don&#8217;t deny it either! <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To my way of thinking, this program was mismanaged, so one can only hope that working out a Universal Medical program would be better, having learned from mistakes of the past.  </p>
<p>Maybe the Hope for Change pres-elect can pull it off. /snark</p>
<p>My primary hope for a Universal coverage plan would be for those who fall through the cracks of the current systems.  It only takes a minor change in one&#8217;s income, or government regulations, for someone to suddenly lose their Medicaid, for example.  My biggest objection to the Medicare Plan D, besides mismanagement, is that it decreased Medicaid funding, leaving many people without coverage that were previously covered.  My hope is that a future plan will make sure that families without insurance because of low income will be able to get a modicum of reasonable healthcare without forcing them into living on the streets.</p>
<p>Obviously, there is no way that private sector companies are going to provide any relief for low income people in any meaningful way.</p>
<p>Again, that&#8217;s just my opinion, and I may very well be insane, but I&#8217;m not stoopid. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076378</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BernieO, if I understand your point about the government using its huge collective bargaining power, I agree they are not using that power to help the elderly and disabled.  They should have made this plan from an entirely different model, becoming essentially the largest customer of the pharmaceutical companies as the largest insurance pool in the country.  If they had done it that way, we'd all be better off, getting our drugs at about the same low prices as Canadian citizens.  And you are right, it was put together the way it is in order to benefit the country club pals in the insurance and pharmaceutical businesses instead of the taxpayers.

I appreciate your analysis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BernieO, if I understand your point about the government using its huge collective bargaining power, I agree they are not using that power to help the elderly and disabled.  They should have made this plan from an entirely different model, becoming essentially the largest customer of the pharmaceutical companies as the largest insurance pool in the country.  If they had done it that way, we&#8217;d all be better off, getting our drugs at about the same low prices as Canadian citizens.  And you are right, it was put together the way it is in order to benefit the country club pals in the insurance and pharmaceutical businesses instead of the taxpayers.</p>
<p>I appreciate your analysis!</p>
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		<title>By: babinuta48</title>
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		<dc:creator>babinuta48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my own Doctor advise me not to apply for PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROGRAM, and thanks to GOD  and my Doctor for watching over me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my own Doctor advise me not to apply for PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROGRAM, and thanks to GOD  and my Doctor for watching over me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076358</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owllwoman, I agree that the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit is good,all things considered.  My story dealt mostly with the way they yanked the rug out from under Medicaid beneficiaries in order to fund Part D.  It was totally mismanaged.  It's still a nightmare to sort through all the options and hope that you've made a good choice.  And again, those benefitting the most from the current system are the insurance and pharmaceutical companies and their partners in &lt;strike&gt;crime&lt;/strike&gt; the healthcare "business."

I'm glad you are getting some benefit from it and I thank you for commenting! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owllwoman, I agree that the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit is good,all things considered.  My story dealt mostly with the way they yanked the rug out from under Medicaid beneficiaries in order to fund Part D.  It was totally mismanaged.  It&#8217;s still a nightmare to sort through all the options and hope that you&#8217;ve made a good choice.  And again, those benefitting the most from the current system are the insurance and pharmaceutical companies and their partners in <strike>crime</strike> the healthcare &#8220;business.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you are getting some benefit from it and I thank you for commenting! <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: babalu123</title>
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		<dc:creator>babalu123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i NEVER BELIEVE IN gOVERNMENT pROGRAMS. i NEVER INVETED MONEY IN STOCKS, 401k AND i WAS SO RIGHT. i DIDNT APPLY FOR PRESCRIPTION DRUG ROGRAM. i KNEW THAT pdp WAS A ANOTHER SCREW UP FOR RETIRED AND DISABLE AND OLD, AND I WAS RIGHT. SO MANY OF MY FRIENDS LOST THOUSANDS OF MONEY INVESTING IN 401K, AND NOW I BELIEVE, THAT WE WERE INTENTIONALY ROBBED BY OUR POLITICIANS.NOW WE ARE PAYING CORRUPTED CEO'S AND NANCY PELOSI IS SO EAGER TO GIVE THEM ALL, INCL. TO HER HUSBAND BUSSINESS OVER 150 THOUSANDS FROM PORK PROGRAMS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i NEVER BELIEVE IN gOVERNMENT pROGRAMS. i NEVER INVETED MONEY IN STOCKS, 401k AND i WAS SO RIGHT. i DIDNT APPLY FOR PRESCRIPTION DRUG ROGRAM. i KNEW THAT pdp WAS A ANOTHER SCREW UP FOR RETIRED AND DISABLE AND OLD, AND I WAS RIGHT. SO MANY OF MY FRIENDS LOST THOUSANDS OF MONEY INVESTING IN 401K, AND NOW I BELIEVE, THAT WE WERE INTENTIONALY ROBBED BY OUR POLITICIANS.NOW WE ARE PAYING CORRUPTED CEO&#8217;S AND NANCY PELOSI IS SO EAGER TO GIVE THEM ALL, INCL. TO HER HUSBAND BUSSINESS OVER 150 THOUSANDS FROM PORK PROGRAMS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: barborka#1</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076329</link>
		<dc:creator>barborka#1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie Bakley... I can not agree with You more!!!Hope that more of US start screeming"POLITICIANS KEEP YOU DIRTY HANDS FROM OUR MONEY"  " GO AFTER THOSE WHO ARE INTENTIONALLY ARE COMMITING THIS UGLIEST CRIME IN USA HISTORY, GO AFTER THEM AND PUT THEM BEHIND BARS FOREVER. WERE IS THE HIGHEST COURT OF OUR LAND, GET THOSE RESPONSIBLE AND ADD TO UNEMPLOYMENT LIST!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie Bakley&#8230; I can not agree with You more!!!Hope that more of US start screeming&#8221;POLITICIANS KEEP YOU DIRTY HANDS FROM OUR MONEY&#8221;  &#8221; GO AFTER THOSE WHO ARE INTENTIONALLY ARE COMMITING THIS UGLIEST CRIME IN USA HISTORY, GO AFTER THEM AND PUT THEM BEHIND BARS FOREVER. WERE IS THE HIGHEST COURT OF OUR LAND, GET THOSE RESPONSIBLE AND ADD TO UNEMPLOYMENT LIST!!!</p>
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		<title>By: barborka#1</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076319</link>
		<dc:creator>barborka#1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first; Government must keep their dirty corrupted politicians from Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security. ALL our life we are  paying for, and POLITICIANS AND SOME PRESIDENTS ARE SPENDING OUR MONEY FOR WARS AND OTHER CRAP!!! THOSE MONEY SHOULD NEVER BE TOUCH, BY ANY ONE.
JUST TO KNOW WHAT AND WHEN AND HOW  OUR PRESIDENTS, LIKE CARTER, SCREW UP US SO BADLY. THE SAD PART IS, THAT DEMOCRATS ARE MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR. IKE AND CARTER ARE THE MOST TO BLAME FOR.ILLEGALS GOT THEIR RIGHT TO RECEIVE SOCIAL SECURITY AND OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES DOURING CARTER, IKE CHANGE UNTOCHABLE SOCIAL SECURITY TO TOUCHABLE. Bush must stay away from, LIVE US ALONE,  and hope that Obama wont use AND AGAINCHANGE LAW PERMANENTLY(CHANGE BY IKE). Now  we are paying of Bail out all those crooks, and GM,Chrisler,Forc CEOs are treating US  ECONOMY DISASTER IF THEY DON GET WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. !!!! My only answer is!!! FIRE THEM, BANKRUPT THEM AND START ALL OVER.
iNVESTIGATE, WERE ALL BAIL OUT MONEY WENT, GET BACK AND START FIREING ALL CEOS, AND  POLITICIANS CONGRESMAN AND SENATORS ALL OF THEM WHO ARE  RESPONSIBLE FOR TODAY MESS, AND START WITH NEW PEOPLE FROM BUTTOM UP!!!!!!!!!!!
 No ONE is talking, that PROPERTY TAXES, ARE SO HIGH, THAT ON TOP OF LOAN WE HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES, AND THIS ADDS FROM 150 AND TO OUR PAYMENT. PROPERTY TAXES ARE UNAXEPTABLE AND ADDING JUST MORE AND TO MUCH TO OUR MORTGAGE.sO, it is not just the lown,but property taxes on top of the loan!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first; Government must keep their dirty corrupted politicians from Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security. ALL our life we are  paying for, and POLITICIANS AND SOME PRESIDENTS ARE SPENDING OUR MONEY FOR WARS AND OTHER CRAP!!! THOSE MONEY SHOULD NEVER BE TOUCH, BY ANY ONE.<br />
JUST TO KNOW WHAT AND WHEN AND HOW  OUR PRESIDENTS, LIKE CARTER, SCREW UP US SO BADLY. THE SAD PART IS, THAT DEMOCRATS ARE MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR. IKE AND CARTER ARE THE MOST TO BLAME FOR.ILLEGALS GOT THEIR RIGHT TO RECEIVE SOCIAL SECURITY AND OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES DOURING CARTER, IKE CHANGE UNTOCHABLE SOCIAL SECURITY TO TOUCHABLE. Bush must stay away from, LIVE US ALONE,  and hope that Obama wont use AND AGAINCHANGE LAW PERMANENTLY(CHANGE BY IKE). Now  we are paying of Bail out all those crooks, and GM,Chrisler,Forc CEOs are treating US  ECONOMY DISASTER IF THEY DON GET WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. !!!! My only answer is!!! FIRE THEM, BANKRUPT THEM AND START ALL OVER.<br />
iNVESTIGATE, WERE ALL BAIL OUT MONEY WENT, GET BACK AND START FIREING ALL CEOS, AND  POLITICIANS CONGRESMAN AND SENATORS ALL OF THEM WHO ARE  RESPONSIBLE FOR TODAY MESS, AND START WITH NEW PEOPLE FROM BUTTOM UP!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
 No ONE is talking, that PROPERTY TAXES, ARE SO HIGH, THAT ON TOP OF LOAN WE HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES, AND THIS ADDS FROM 150 AND TO OUR PAYMENT. PROPERTY TAXES ARE UNAXEPTABLE AND ADDING JUST MORE AND TO MUCH TO OUR MORTGAGE.sO, it is not just the lown,but property taxes on top of the loan!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your kind comment, Kristen. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind comment, Kristen. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Annie Oakley</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076258</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I think studies of this Medicare bill's passage should be taught in school. The more cynical part of me thinks it was deliberately designed to provide bails of cash to those who least deserve it while helping destroy what little faith is left in the existence of a civic sphere and a common good.

Without the radical concept of universal care all attempts at "fixing" healthcare wind up being corporate welfare. The post Reagan mantra of privatization being the cure for government has been, I believe, demonstrated to be misplaced faith.

The way I see it is that some things cannot be part of a "free market" assuming such a thing exists. Suppose that air had to be purchased. People would pay any price, and therefore any equilibrium between supply and demand is hopeless. Offering to have government subsidize the purchase of air for those who cannot afford is basically the situation with healthcare today. 

Making healthcare universal, seeing it as a public utility and not as a profit center, is the only solution even with its faults. I remember public utilities and I don't think they were that bad as a model. Privatization does not automatically get rid of inefficiency and can make issues like corruption even worse.

Speaking of corruption, a recent PBS show on healthcare was discussing the costs of universal plans in other countries. Their costs are significantly lower than our corporate welfare program, and that doesn't factor in the costs of the lives destroyed at its expense. We are spending about 22% in the management of our system while some countries expenditures are in the single digits. Now why is that when we are so competitive and competent and free market and all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I think studies of this Medicare bill&#8217;s passage should be taught in school. The more cynical part of me thinks it was deliberately designed to provide bails of cash to those who least deserve it while helping destroy what little faith is left in the existence of a civic sphere and a common good.</p>
<p>Without the radical concept of universal care all attempts at &#8220;fixing&#8221; healthcare wind up being corporate welfare. The post Reagan mantra of privatization being the cure for government has been, I believe, demonstrated to be misplaced faith.</p>
<p>The way I see it is that some things cannot be part of a &#8220;free market&#8221; assuming such a thing exists. Suppose that air had to be purchased. People would pay any price, and therefore any equilibrium between supply and demand is hopeless. Offering to have government subsidize the purchase of air for those who cannot afford is basically the situation with healthcare today. </p>
<p>Making healthcare universal, seeing it as a public utility and not as a profit center, is the only solution even with its faults. I remember public utilities and I don&#8217;t think they were that bad as a model. Privatization does not automatically get rid of inefficiency and can make issues like corruption even worse.</p>
<p>Speaking of corruption, a recent PBS show on healthcare was discussing the costs of universal plans in other countries. Their costs are significantly lower than our corporate welfare program, and that doesn&#8217;t factor in the costs of the lives destroyed at its expense. We are spending about 22% in the management of our system while some countries expenditures are in the single digits. Now why is that when we are so competitive and competent and free market and all?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CE415:

Just for reference, here is the only sentence where I referenced fiscal conservatives:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is evidence that this budget discrepancy was deliberately hidden, in order to get the votes of fiscal conservatives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In this context, they were fighting against the new benefit that Bush wanted, so the Bush White House lied to legislators about the cost of the program.  The fiscal conservatives were trying to keep the benefit from happening at all.  So they were the meanies, in that context.  But they were trying to hold the line on expensive entitlement programs, which is to their credit as watchdogs of the budget.  

The term was not meant to be perjoritive or accusatory; it was just the best description of what was happening in 2003, IMO.

Thanks for your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CE415:</p>
<p>Just for reference, here is the only sentence where I referenced fiscal conservatives:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is evidence that this budget discrepancy was deliberately hidden, in order to get the votes of fiscal conservatives.</p></blockquote>
<p>In this context, they were fighting against the new benefit that Bush wanted, so the Bush White House lied to legislators about the cost of the program.  The fiscal conservatives were trying to keep the benefit from happening at all.  So they were the meanies, in that context.  But they were trying to hold the line on expensive entitlement programs, which is to their credit as watchdogs of the budget.  </p>
<p>The term was not meant to be perjoritive or accusatory; it was just the best description of what was happening in 2003, IMO.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleRider</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076151</link>
		<dc:creator>DoubleRider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USPS is probably one of the BEST run delivery organizations in the US right now.  They deliver a higher quality product for less money than any other company.  My only complaint is lines at the retail branches, but then you end up waiting at most stores as well.  I do everything online where possible, cheaper, faster, better.  Don't believe me, compare pricing on any package under 10lbs.  USPS beats all other services hands down.

The last 20 years have seen the Republicans destroying government in any way they can.  They think that private enterprise is always more efficient, but USPS disproves this notion in every way.  Private companies have as much or more waste built into them.  Plus there is the profit tax that siphons off 10% or more of the income.  USPS does not have this issue and uses 100% of it's income to make it's service better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USPS is probably one of the BEST run delivery organizations in the US right now.  They deliver a higher quality product for less money than any other company.  My only complaint is lines at the retail branches, but then you end up waiting at most stores as well.  I do everything online where possible, cheaper, faster, better.  Don&#8217;t believe me, compare pricing on any package under 10lbs.  USPS beats all other services hands down.</p>
<p>The last 20 years have seen the Republicans destroying government in any way they can.  They think that private enterprise is always more efficient, but USPS disproves this notion in every way.  Private companies have as much or more waste built into them.  Plus there is the profit tax that siphons off 10% or more of the income.  USPS does not have this issue and uses 100% of it&#8217;s income to make it&#8217;s service better.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/12/04/the-medicaremedicaid-fiasco/#comment-1076135</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  If I get sick I will just die.  I've accepted that and, you know, as they say "life goes on".  

My daughter, who is 19 and has had 6 surgeries during our better (i.e. insured) years, is living on the edge.  If she has another mastoid breech, which is always a possiblity for her, she will have to have surgery to repair it.  She works, but has no insurance.

She got really ticked off once when a lady came into Macy's and somehow started ranting about universal healthcare and why should she pay for lazy people who won't get a job... my daughter held her tongue, but of course wanted to scream at her "I work!!  I am in college, too - and I don't have any health care"!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  If I get sick I will just die.  I&#8217;ve accepted that and, you know, as they say &#8220;life goes on&#8221;.  </p>
<p>My daughter, who is 19 and has had 6 surgeries during our better (i.e. insured) years, is living on the edge.  If she has another mastoid breech, which is always a possiblity for her, she will have to have surgery to repair it.  She works, but has no insurance.</p>
<p>She got really ticked off once when a lady came into Macy&#8217;s and somehow started ranting about universal healthcare and why should she pay for lazy people who won&#8217;t get a job&#8230; my daughter held her tongue, but of course wanted to scream at her &#8220;I work!!  I am in college, too - and I don&#8217;t have any health care&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: CE415</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, Your comment about "fiscal conservatives" is now nonsense. Conservatives have definitely proven they can not manage a budget other than to borrow and spend, so the term is now an oxymoronic. Try "fiscal responsibility" as a useful term. If it takes raising taxes to balance a budget, that seemed to work well in the 1990's, the economy grew  and grew. But spending has to be tightly controlled. Back to 1990's there was a very adverserial relationship between the President and Congress so spending was tightly controlled to the benefit of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Your comment about &#8220;fiscal conservatives&#8221; is now nonsense. Conservatives have definitely proven they can not manage a budget other than to borrow and spend, so the term is now an oxymoronic. Try &#8220;fiscal responsibility&#8221; as a useful term. If it takes raising taxes to balance a budget, that seemed to work well in the 1990&#8217;s, the economy grew  and grew. But spending has to be tightly controlled. Back to 1990&#8217;s there was a very adverserial relationship between the President and Congress so spending was tightly controlled to the benefit of all.</p>
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		<title>By: SFIndiePUMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFIndiePUMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family is living this Medicare/Medi-Cal nightmare every day with my 84-year-old mother diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Unfortunately, she did not have long-term care insurance (could not afford it) and so is reliant on a Senior HMO program (which sucks, but all we can afford) and basic Medicare (which also sucks!). A few months ago, I spent 3 hours on the phone with a Medicare specialist to see if we should get Medicare supplemental insurance, and at the end of it realized just how f*cked up the system was. Medi-Cal (California's Medicaid program) isn't that much better. My mother's income is below poverty level, but not by enough. She also has a few dollars left in savings, but it seems a few dollars too many. So, we have to wait until she's pretty much destitute in order to qualify for the low-income drug benefits. And, when she deteriorates to the point that the facility she's in can no longer care for her, or when the family runs out of money (which won't be too far in the future) she'll have no choice but to go into a state-funded facility, of which decent ones are few and far between. We're all praying she loses her mind completely before that happens, so she's not aware of where she's living. Pretty sad, huh? But not uncommon in this richest country in the world.

I have no health insurance, either. The choice for me is rent, or insurance. I choose rent. I'm on a monthly medication, and if it wasn't for the Patient Assistance Program at Merck, where I can apply every year for free meds, I either wouldn't be able to afford them or I'd have to hop over the border to Tijuana every few months and buy them cheap at the pharmacies there (which I did for many years before I found out about the P.A.P. program!).

I know all this is way more info than anybody needs to hear, but Congress should know that stories like my family's are not rare or uncommon. Just think, if Ted Kennedy was in my mother's shoes, he'd be dead now. Too bad none of them really care (well, except for Hillary, and now as SoS, she won't be able to do much).

And like Bert said, if I get really sick....I die. Like so many others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family is living this Medicare/Medi-Cal nightmare every day with my 84-year-old mother diagnosed with Alzheimer&#8217;s. Unfortunately, she did not have long-term care insurance (could not afford it) and so is reliant on a Senior HMO program (which sucks, but all we can afford) and basic Medicare (which also sucks!). A few months ago, I spent 3 hours on the phone with a Medicare specialist to see if we should get Medicare supplemental insurance, and at the end of it realized just how f*cked up the system was. Medi-Cal (California&#8217;s Medicaid program) isn&#8217;t that much better. My mother&#8217;s income is below poverty level, but not by enough. She also has a few dollars left in savings, but it seems a few dollars too many. So, we have to wait until she&#8217;s pretty much destitute in order to qualify for the low-income drug benefits. And, when she deteriorates to the point that the facility she&#8217;s in can no longer care for her, or when the family runs out of money (which won&#8217;t be too far in the future) she&#8217;ll have no choice but to go into a state-funded facility, of which decent ones are few and far between. We&#8217;re all praying she loses her mind completely before that happens, so she&#8217;s not aware of where she&#8217;s living. Pretty sad, huh? But not uncommon in this richest country in the world.</p>
<p>I have no health insurance, either. The choice for me is rent, or insurance. I choose rent. I&#8217;m on a monthly medication, and if it wasn&#8217;t for the Patient Assistance Program at Merck, where I can apply every year for free meds, I either wouldn&#8217;t be able to afford them or I&#8217;d have to hop over the border to Tijuana every few months and buy them cheap at the pharmacies there (which I did for many years before I found out about the P.A.P. program!).</p>
<p>I know all this is way more info than anybody needs to hear, but Congress should know that stories like my family&#8217;s are not rare or uncommon. Just think, if Ted Kennedy was in my mother&#8217;s shoes, he&#8217;d be dead now. Too bad none of them really care (well, except for Hillary, and now as SoS, she won&#8217;t be able to do much).</p>
<p>And like Bert said, if I get really sick&#8230;.I die. Like so many others.</p>
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