It Takes A Special Kind Of Person…
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on December 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM in African Americans, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Domestic Terrorist, GLBT, Hate Speech, Obama's Thugs, Racism, Sarah Palin
To attack a place of worship. That is just what someone, or someones, did on Friday, Dec. 12, 2008, when they set fire to the Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, AK:
And they did a substantial amount of damage, over $1 million. What is more, people were actually inside the church at the time the fire was set. Thankfully, they were unharmed.
Now, this is not the first church (or other religious building) that has been targeted, not by a long shot, unfortunately. As many of you know, I am a retired UU minister, and a number of UU churches have been vandalized over the past few years, usually for two reasons: general support of the GLBT community, and for our open-mindedness regarding theology. One church in MD had its Peace Pole from its Meditation Garden ripped down and defecated upon by the vandals, other churches have had windows broken out, burning of leaves in the shape of a cross, and more. The worst was this year, the shooting in Knowxville, TNin which two Unitarian Universalists were killed, six injured, in the sanctuary during a service.
Many of you may recall that back in 1996, there was a rash of African American churches targeted by arsonists, primarily in Alabama, though 8 states in total were affected. By the time it was all over and done, over 30 churches were set on fire. It was a horrible time when racism reared its ugly, cowardly head. Sadly, a decade later, more churches were burned, some completely destroyed, in Alabama.
Synagogues in this country have also vandalized in the 21st century, one in Chicago on behalf of Palestine,two in North Miami had hateful speech written on the walls, and two in Boston had molotov cocktails thrown at them at the start of the Jewish New Year.
Even a Hindu temple in Minnesota was attacked, walls broken, windows shattered, statuary that took two years to receive destroyed. One of the trustees, Kumad Sane, said,
“We have had dreams to have this place for the past 30 years, we have worked so hard. Why would someone come here and do this type of action.”
Sadly, these are just a few examples of this kind of hate crime.
You know, it takes a particular kind of person to attack a religious institution. Check that - a particular kind of COWARD. Not for nothing, but it is missing the point just a bit from what it is SUPPOSED to mean to be a person of faith. Little things like, “Do unto others as you would have done to you,” or “Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.” (Matthew,25:40). Or, when asked what was the greatest commandment, Jesus said, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV) Regardless of the motivation, whether it be theological, social, or political, it is unacceptable. And cowardly.
The attack on Sarah Palin’s church was all of these things. With one big difference, though - it was also personal. There is not a doubt in my mind why THAT particular church was targeted for arson. It would seem that Palin is concerned this was a hate motivated action because of her, too, since she apologized to her church for this hate act, in the event she was the cause.
Now let me say, my theology is about as far apart from that of the Wasilla Bible Church as it can be. Heck, I’m not even a Christian. But, there are some places that should be off limits for political hate speech, and churches/synagogues/mosques are just such places. Regardless of one’s theology (and just to be clear, atheism is a belief system, too), to attack a building when there are people IN IT is reprehensible, to say the least.
But here’s the thing. If it is true this church was a target simply because Sarah Palin attends it, and it appears that is the case, this kind of behavior is an extension of the despicable behavior we saw by Obama supporters this entire election season. When The One fails, no, refuses to speak out against sexist, degrading speech, or tee-shirts; when He refuses to speak out against violent action (like burning American flags on top of a $70,000 car, urinating on it, burning it with cigarettes, and scratching “KKK” into it simply because it has a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on it), it gives tacit approval to these kinds of actions. We saw it during the Bush/Cheney years, especially in terms of GLBT people in this country. And those of us in the liberal sector of the country decried it. Now some of the same people who decried it under Bush/Cheney are engaging in that kind of behavior, and worse, under PEBO. They could have KILLED someone in that church. And for what, because Gov. Palin exposed some of Obama’s weaknesses? Because she was popular? What possible deluded reason could someone have for attacking her CHURCH? That is personal, and political (as things so often are), and sacrilegious. Whatever one’s faith, whatever one believes, attacking a place of worship is, simply, unacceptable.
The people who did this are cowards. And criminals. We can only hope that they are brought to justice.
One last thing - the human spirit is resilient. And when it is tested, the vast majority of the time, it comes out all the stronger for it. When targeted with hate speech, or destruction based on hate, yes, there is anxiety, or fear, or anger. But there is also resolve, a banding together of community, and hope. It is this for which I pray for the people of Wasilla Bible Church. I do not need to agree with their theology to stand with them as people of faith who did not deserve to have the place where they pray, where they bare their souls, where they engage in communion and fellowship with one another and their higher power, where they laugh, and cry, where they pass major life milestones, defiled.
I’ll let Rev. Chris Buice, the minister of the UU Church, Tennessee Valley, in Knoxville, someone who has lived through a hate crime perpetrated on his church, have the last word on this:
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Your tags are truly bizarre.
I find them apt.
You trolls (Slim Tyranny) are beyond anything civilized — you are terrorist, thugs and stalkers. The way you stalkers jump to be the first to tag an article is pure vandalism and thuggery.
ALL of these tags are absolutely appropriate: African Americans, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Current Affairs, GLBT, Obama’s Thugs, Obamabot Vandalism & Thuggery, Racism, Sarah Palin, domestic terrorist, hate speech
hahahahahaha You’re kidding, right?
No, these folks really are that crazy. Make Art Bell fans look sane.
Nice try, little snip, but with a moniker like Lizard People, you should watch how you use words. I’d say you and that fellow traveler Slim are the crazy ones. But then, all you have is a medula oblongata for a brain. Wait, you are a lizard. Mea culpa.
Tags? You talking about tags?
Do you have any comments about the actual FIRE that was set on a church? No outrage? But you are offended by tags?
Nailed.
The name Slim Tyranny is truly bizarre. Just go with Pencil Dick and embrace your personal shortcomings.
I will be glad when global warming makes ‘The South’ uninhabitable and breaks up that sink of mental and moral defectives.
Thank you, Rev Amy. I am a Christian minister and I agree with your sentiments.
thanks for the great piece. The sexism against Palin was a violation of “civil rights.” it was — and remains misogynistic hate speech. thank you for putting it into theological terms.
Bud,
I am wondering - are Hate crimes - especailly those against woman - Are there laws?? I too am seeing an increase of initimidation against women in New England.
I’d love someone let us know what protection we have, other than shooting someone.
I also agree with Amy. Because of the truly awful things done to Hillary and Sarah this election, it seems the lid was taken off whatever restraints and decency had previous;y prevailed.
Amy, this was arson and deliberate torching of that church and very much aimed at Palin. I simply can’t understand all the hate towards her. I can’t understand how a person who could incite such emotion can actually lead all people with his selective silence. Obama should have condemned the sexist rhetoric against Hillary and then Palin. He didn’t.
I know - I can’t either. It is off the charts. I think Bud hit the nail on the head (and great show last night, Bud!). This IS a matter of civil rights, of HUMAN rights, for women to be treated like this.
Btw, has Obama said word ONE abt this whole thing??
I have a feeling that we are being set up for Sharia Law. Because of the attacks on women. I watched about 10 hours of utube on Sharia Law, it really opened my eyes about this matter.
Sharia Law is spreading around the globe. They are trying to get it in Great Britain, they are talking about it in Canada. I read something this morning about AIG trying to get into Sharia Financial things.
That’s why maybe the ‘one’ didn’t say anything. Where he comes from Sharia law is a going commodity so to speak. Just get ready, it is coming.
They are really having trouble with the cab drivers in the Minneapolis airport, because of the Sharia Law.
The British are trying to mainstream Sharia Finance in UK….You could be on to something MsJudy…*sigh*
Thank you, Rev Amy.
What really horrifies me about these kinds if incidents is the way they target women and children. Torching a church is cowardly enough, but to make it even worse, in Wasilla nobody was in there but a group of women and a couple of children quietly doing craft projects. In Kenya, when they locked the doors and set fire to the church, it was filled with mostly women and children. In Tenn they killed a woman during a children’s performance. And who can forget the four little girls killed in Birmingham.
The lack of concern for the people/humanity inside the church is truly shocking and of great concern to us all.
When hatred is condoned as it was in the election against Clinton and Palin in every media outlet then it opens the door for destructive acts such as the burning of a candidate’s church. Just as racism and racist acts were the norm up until the 1960’s and accepted so sexism and misogynistic words and actions are still the norm as we have seen this past year. This is the year that political correctness applied to everyone but women, this is the year that misogyny went mainstream and those that had a voice, the men and women of the press,spewed verbal hatred that they will have to answer for.
So what kind of destructive acts is the door opened for by the anti-Obama HATRED on talk radio, Fox News and the PUMA blogosphere??
apparently none.
I have not ever hated Obama. I hate what he’s allowed to have happen in his “honor.” I hate the way his campaign was “dirty,” in the sense that it demonized (characterized as racist) anyone who opposed him. I hated the way he really never spoke out agains the misogyny during the campaign. I hated the way he talks one thing, but does another (i.e., promises transparency and is the most opaque President Elect we’ve ever had). I have hated the way he gets passes that no other candidate ever has gotten in regard to his constantly changing his stance on almost every issue. I hate that he’s brought the stench of Chicago politics to the Presidency.
I coult go on. However, no one has ever on this blog suggested that we do illegal actions against Him or his supporters, because–if we did–we would be like HIM and no one here wants to be that way.
Very well said.
No one here has advocated or condoned any violence against him.
However, Palin being hung in effigy in WeHo comes to mind.
You liken criticism of His Highness to getting your church torched??!! Your Koolaid must be spiked with the strong stuff tonight.
I am surprised at you, UBM, I thought you wanted a legitimate second chance here — no one here condones any violence against him — we just call him out on his dishonesty and misogyny and have from the beginning. Did anyone here go try to burn down his church of 20 years — NO. Or tell anyone to? No. Nor would we.
I thought you were keeping it real?
What about the vile Clinton hatred that was on his own website (and not moderated off), on HuffPo, DKos — never mind the MSM. There is absolutely no comparison and well you know it.
I told you, I will not tolerate revisionist history from you.
Do sinful thoughts count? I’d dearly love to see him do the perp walk, orange jumpsuit handcuffs and all, before January 19 but anytime in the next four years.
Go to hell you sexist pig —
UBM — You have no business even making on comment on this thread –
You are a sexist pig and have no concept of sexism in this culture.
You are a penis worshiper.
You are a vile troll — a stalker.
You are in the same class as the person who did this — because you support a thug and a sexist pig.
Go to hell.
I don’t know why anyone thought you wanted to keep it “real”. Please…. you’re a troll just a disguised one. No one here for sure has even hinted at inciting violence towards Obama or his supporters. See, we walk the walk. We don’t preach equality and then support sexism and hate like Obama supporters do. So stop w the excuses. People who do shit like this aren’t just cowards, they are plain EVIL AND DERANGED.
Happy Holidays UBM, Why is it that you are unable to respond to What Rev. Amy wrote without making Obama the victim everytime you post?
A house of worship was burned.
undercover
Vetting and researching someone’s political rise to power and the many associations that helped him get there is not spewing hatred. Hatred is young people attending rallies and protests with the ‘C-word’ on their t-shirts and ‘Bros before hos’ aimed at Palin and Clinton. The college students that hung BO in effigy at their university were arrested and charged, the two men that hung Palin in California were allowed to keep their little joke up until the neighbors forced them to take it down. They were NEVER arrested. Hatred is an SNL skit that talked at length about Todd Palin “doing his daughters” and the mainstream media couldn’t have cared less. In fact, undercover, if BO had been the subject of that little skit SNL would no longer be on the air. So don’t come here talking about opening doors to anti-Obama hatred. Next to Clinton and Palin your candidate was treated like a king by the media and his followers.
Comment by cathnealon | 2008-12-15 22:46:52
“When hatred is condoned as it was in the election against Clinton and Palin…….”
You ‘betcha’ THAT will not happen to Caroline
Kennedy……
Of course not! She’s a princess! I would NOT want any of that to hppen to Caroline because it should not happen to any woman. Having said that I DO think it’s very telling that people would be immediately outraged if the kind of stuff that was commonly launched against Clinton and Palin were to be even hinted at with Caroline or for that matter Michelle Obama.
People would be screaming for heads to roll. Yet many of those same people saw nothing wrong with it as long as it was against Clinton, Palin or any of their opponents. Those people need a refresher course in right and wrong. It is NOT a line that you can just move over because the person subjected to it is your friend or enemy.
Right and wrong, justice and injustice are not something you spin to your advantage. If something is right it is right regardless and the same goes if something is wrong.
One of the main differences in the Clinton/Palin haters and those who hate Obama or rather hate the way he does business and the way he got where he is, is that when people screamed out hateful things at Clinton events Hillary would speak out and say “We don’t do that.” where Obama has NEVER ONCE SPOKEN OUT ABOUT THE HATE AND EVEN ILLEGAL THINGS DONE IN HIS NAME. His silence basicly condoned it.
CQ
Rev. Amy, I don’t think it’s difficult to imagine who burned Sarah Palin’s church. I mean, no one knows for sure yet obviously, but liberals throughout this past election were once again waving the same bloody shirt about the “crimes” of Republicans, and they focused on one in particular: The Republican Party’s majority position on same-sex marriage. By no means am I going to hold Democrats or liberals responsible for this crime, but I am willing to bet that this is the work of “gay rights” supporters. I say that because they also took to the streets in SF (?), and threatened some evangelicals who were making their way out of town. They behaved like a bunch of brown shirts on their way to a Nazi party rally. Further, whenever it’s some right wing lunatic who attacks a liberal church or institution, liberals start squawking about how conservatives have created a “climate of fear,” by their opposition to some social goal desired by the political left. If indeed it was a gay rights group who burned that church, I am not going to judge all liberals by accusing them of creating a “climate of fear.” I am going to say that extremists of all kinds REFUSE to extend to their fellow citizens the basic human courtesy contained in the Golden Rule. Some conservatives and evangelicals (I am the former, but not the latter) have articulated a very principled position with regard to why they will not support same-sex marriage, but so long as we treat each other by slanderous stereotyping and lumping all people with whom we disagree into politically expedient categories, hate-crimes will proliferate all over the political spectrum. There are gay people who oppose same-sex marriage, and there are Christians who support same-sex marriage. There are Gay Christians for crying out loud, probably some in the Wasilla Bible Church. And there are agnostic conservatives like me. Let’s please deal with each other as individuals, and one at a time, next time, if there is a next time for America. God help us.
Hey Jimbob…
I’m glad you posted the obvious JimBob…
Now it’s your turn to be called a bigot or troll or whatever like I was last night.
I will say it again….Push the envelope to far and middle America will give you a republican fascist backlash you never thought possible.
Just stating the facts folks…
Rev Amy,
As a concerned citizen I have seen how radical peoples ideas can change. Like after 911 folks became crazy with fear which began the process of eliminating our civil rights which continue today. I support Gay rights as I have championed the advancement of women.
I’m very active in my church and feed over 500 people a week through a food program that I have been involved for 20 years. I’m compassionate and I care but I’m also a realist and a good predictor of future events.
My fear is that because the gay community lost in California they are now taking this to a new level of social disobedience which I believe the American people are not ready to embrace and could be detrimental to the gay community. Obama won and now the radical left feel they have a mandate to impose their views.
The mob can change.Today it is anti-republican and Bush.Tomorrow it might be anti-Obama and liberal with additional scapegoats like the gay community. History repeats if one doesn’t see the dangers.
Whoa here, folks - can we just dial back down for a moment?
I have heard or seen NO evidence that this despicable act was committed by militant gay people. To claim it was just inflames passions against a group of citizens already discriminated against in this country. Until there is hard evidence to support this assertion, I’d rather not have that line pushed here.
I get your point, Seattle, that Obama’s people feel they now have implicit permission to ratchet up their already violent tactics, and it would certainly make sense that an Obama supporter committed this hateful act directed at Palin. Let’s just try to be a little more circumspect in our discussion…Thanks.
Agree Rev. Amy…For all we know it was Bored Local Teenagers…If it was we’ll know soon enough…Small Town…
Most Folks just connect the Dots from the reactions in CA and calls for National action over the disappointment of Prop 8. In any event it was an act of violence that could have been a bigger tragedy with loss of life…Both of parishioners and Fire fighters and neighbors. A it is now it is Spiritually Disheartening…especially for the church members…And for Church going folks eveywhere…
Most Church Members of man denominations feel that Religion is under attack…Both literally and idealogically…It is starting to look that way…
uh, is there ONE SHRED of evidence that this had anything to with gays????!!! or are you just making shit up? and perhaps you could link us to all the times you’ve expressed outrage about violence done to gays by fundamentalist nutcases. yeah. just another irrational gay-hater.
You’re a militant fuckwad and I’m sick of your crap…
Attacks against evangelical churches by gay militants have increased steadily since the election. I hope for your sake asshole that there was no gays involved..
Take your agenda and shove it!!
OMG. i’m a militant fuckwad???? let’s see, i’m a very quite, private little lesbian living in western south dakota, and i’ve never committed or supported a militant attack against anybody. you’re pretty much proving my point; ALL GAYS are “militants” and should be eliminated, or something, i guess.
Please, SM, compile a list of all the violent acts committed AGAINST gays, and compare that to the ones committed by gays. then proportion your outrage accordingly. it is quite obvious that you are just looking for an excuse to bash gay, even to the point of violence, it appears.
You don’t call me gay hater
Asshole
Do I make my self clear!!!
yes, you do. it looks like you’re a gay-hater. sorry.
Thank you for the courageous post jimbob. Now bunker down because you’re going to get lynched.
Kathy,
The backlash which I have discussed has started. Militants of any type whether they be White, Black Eco,Islamic or Gay must be stopped in the same fashion used to stop any domestic terrorists
This crime against the good Christian’s at Sarah Palin’s church need to be prosecuted as a hate crime.
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2008/12/hateful-arsonists-torch-palins-church.html
how about just regular old militant assholes like you? do they need to be stopped too? i’d say so.
You have no clue who I am
You are an anti-straight bigoted asshole
Don’t ever talk to me again!!!
Well said jimbob!
CQ
This is what I think is the most important part of jimbob’s post:
That says VOLUMES about this and ther problems of intolerance and hate crimes against people and churches and really anybody. It was worth repeating in my opinion since everyone decided instead to get into a gay vs. not gay argument when I believe that mre than anything it is a right vs. wrong argument. Burning churches for any reason, by anyone is always wrong. Period.
CQ
I agree wholeheartedly CQ. There is no need to segregate, even verbally, by groups.
Years ago I read about the Kahuna’s from Hawaii. Before the missionaries came they had only ONE law.
That LAW was “you may do no harm to another in anyway.”
That covered physical, sexual violence, property rights, smearing, backstabbing and a whole host of other evils.
I question whether mankind is moving forward or backwards.
The Second Coming
TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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It’s odd that they are so upset about Palin attending church - yet not Obama, who attended church ‘religiously’ for what? 20 years? With a hate-filled pastor? Or Bill Clinton’s visible Bible.
What’s the difference? the difference is they don’t think, or they know, Obama does not believe. That he only attends because he must for appearances sake. That they can tolerate.
It is someone who truly attends that they cannot accept.
Hypocrisy doesn’t begin to describe it.
The people in the church when the fire broke out were women doing crafts. That there’s enough to enrage me.
Oh I forgot to thank you Rev, for the nice posting. Also, all the churches where tragedy visited bear what the Christians call “the scars of Christ.” I’m not religious, but I still appreciate the wisdom of religious culture in America, of all kinds, yours too, Rev.
I’m sorry, but this post is just too over the top. It is too speculative, too posed as fact, too close to inciting violence and accusing a plurality of Americans of being vicious thugs. It greatly harms this entire website and should be viewed with shame by all.
Hello and thank you for a very timely post. I have a nagging feeling that evil is afoot in the world, and the attacks on Sarah are not because she is bad, but because she is good. So many hypocrites use their religions as tools, perhaps they find it dangerous to allow someone who seems to sincerely live her faith and is humble and striving to help others, to even exist. It isn’t enough to disagree with her, they seem to need to destroy her.
Remember, the “first community organizer”, to whom that radical teacher dedicated his book, was Satan…and Satan has quite the following, if we consider 1/3 of the hosts of heaven to be a lot. That doesn’t count the many that have chosen to follow him now that they are here. Lots and lots of nastiness to go around.
It seems more blatant than before, but I guess it has always been going on and I just haven’t been as aware of it until now. It is definitely shaping up to be a battle for our hearts and souls though.
You got that right. They fear her. She is a threat to the corrupt power grid in both parties.
The country’s swirling around the drain. The Dems got their Pyrrhic victory with their trifecta, the financial collapse and a partially nationalized financial industry. As Rahm said, they will make the most of their crisis. Fear the second term and pray for gridlock in 2010.
But nothing has any value anymore - not integrity, not human life, not women and children, not personal faith or responsibility or accountability.
Think of America as a very old woman in a nursing home repeatedly raped and abused by the orderlies, who are in fact the inmates. Cultural decay caught up with us. Just put a pillow over the old bitch’s head and turn out the lights.
I call it spiritual warfare. Biden calls it “girding your lions”
that is exactly it…it is because Palin is a good person. Darkness does not like the light.
This past November, when three little girls in Afghanistan had acid thrown in their faces I felt, and feel, it was a direct result of Democratic party primaries and election campaign. Here in our country, ingrained, age old hate for the female became visible to all. Hanging an effigy of Sarah Palin was excused as art. Just think of the rotten things that were said against Hillary.
But I don’t hold Obama responsible entirely, no. I have two women representatives Amy Klobuchar and Betty McCullum and neither of them said a word. I have a cousin and his wife who are university professors, both over sixty, and I can’t even bear the sight of their faces now because of the rotten, slanderous emails about Sarah Palin they forwarded to me in September and October.
I think of the two cowards I have representing me and my two “enlightened” cousins and all I can see is those three little girls getting acid thrown in their faces because they wanted to go to school.
One thing I have learned - Wrong is Wrong, whether it is a small wrong or a huge wrong. If my insides tell me what is going on is wrong then I must stand up to oppose it with everything that is in me.
Think how much better off we would be if we had taken to the streets to demand a fair and open recount of the votes in Fla. in 2000.
Project much?
Yeah, that’s it. Quit hogging the glue.
Thank you, Betty. Very well said. Misogyny is misogyny, no matter the source. It was amazing how many of our women representatives stayed silent through all of this — it is known as bonding with the offender. They were afraid to speak out because they did not want to be painted with the same brush as Hillary. That was gutless of them. Believe it or not, I think Diane Feinstein was one of the few people who said anything.
Obama has has MANY chances to speak out against what his followers are doing — the C**T t-shirts is but one of many examples.
The sexist pig trolls who come here to harass NQ posters — they have been sent here by camp Obama. Trolls were told to get in the faces of people who don’t or won’t vote for Obama — THAT was permission for the unbalanced kool aid coward to do harm.
People who comment here have been stalked and exposed — their employers have been contacted.
These trolls keep coming back — and they keep harassing. Obama’s trolls are exactly like GWB trolls — Freepers — who would invade “liberal” blogs.
Obama IS responsible for his followers when he refuses to condemn their actions.
Right now I have zero tolerance for sexist pigs who worship their Messiah.
Great point - we sure did see a lot of that this election season, and are seeing it still.
Caroline Kennedy was another one, and here she is pushing for Clinton’s seat. It is a clear message, IMHO. I find it to be incredibly insulting that someone who has little political experience and was a big Obama cheerleader, would be taking the seat of someone who worked her HEART out for NY, the country, and was treated like CRAP by Obama. Adding insult to injury…
Thanks, Ani!
well said Betty. I know a gay, female couple that was sending me derogatory Palin e-mail. I promptly requested they stop immediately. I don’t talk to them much anyway but any respect I had for them is completely gone now. People will scream at the top of their lungs about equality then blindly encourage hate if it suits their personal beliefs. It’s hypocrisy.
Well said betty and wodiej! Exactly the prblem. people think they can bend than realize concepts of right and wrong to suit their own ideology rather those concepts are truly stand alone ones.
CQ
Rev. Amy, thanks for your thoughts on this.
I grew up with a father in church work, and I know the kind of sacrifices that are made when a church family builds a place of worship. Widows, widowers, young marrieds, singles, etc. give their “mites”, not to mention their precious time, to the building fund. Anyone who purposefully seeks to destroy what these good people have worked so hard and given so much for, should be imprisoned for life. They have no business out in regular society with the rest of us.
Thanks Rev. Amy. This is truly SAD…And I agree with you…Particular type of COWARDS commit these crimes…It is disgusting….An Outrage…
There is an epidemic of intolerance in this country. The worse things become with the wars and economy, the more it shows it’s ugly face. What has been so shocking this year, is the violent attitude of “progressives”. I refuse to call them liberals because they are not and they hijacked the Democratic Party.
Thank you for your post. You are uniquely qualified to understand the issue.
Agree Elise…Theses FASCISTS have Hijacked the NATION
Amen. Between the Obots and the militant progressives the Democratic party is a nightmare. The so-called progressives are merely fascists with better clothes.
Amy,
You ask an important question: What type of person burns a house of worship?
I am thoroughly disgusted.
okay, first of all, let me say that i absolutely oppose violence and property damage done for whatever political purposes (if indeed that is what occurred here), but i notice that very few people in this thread make any acknowlegement of the fact that religious people sometimes COMMIT VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION. please, let’s try to be even-handed with the outrage.
Sometimes…? Crusades, 911, abortion clinic bombings, beheadings, Inquisition, Northern Ireland, Salem witch hunts, Christians being fed to the lions, Bosnia…I could go on, but the melatonin is kicking in.
And I did actually mention this in a comment at another post. Yes, religions have, and do, commit atrocities.
But that does shift the focus from the issue at hand. That is, someone purposely targeted the church to which Sarah Palin goes, setting a fire when WOMEN AND CHILDREN were inside. Because it was Palin’s church. Let’s keep our eye on the ball here…
NoBamaNoWay — sorry but you are absolutely WRONG.
This is about an ARSON —
So you’re saying that some wack job who in the name of religion do evil things — that we shouldn’t be concerned about ARSON.
MOST Firefighters believe arsonists should be executed.
What you are saying has nothing to do with the ARSON and attempted murder of women and children.
Sometimes “liberals” make me ill. Other extremists make me ill as well.
I agree, but those people aren’t true Christians. They just use that label to justify their behavior.
Philadelphia’s history includes the
Anti-Catholic riots of 1844
I didn’t learn of the violence until I became a parishioner at <a href=”http://www.ushistory.org/tour/tour_stjoe.htm” Old St. Joseph’s
IOW it was not taught in any history class I attended in the course of my education.
However the attack on the Wasilla church does not seem to be motivated by theological difference, but by fear and Palin hatred. Otherwise any old evangelical gathering place would have been targeted. Just as our nation has witnessed irrational Pope-fear (most recently when JFK was running for President), it looks like we’re now in the throes of Palin fear.
I don’t see any indication that this particular church attack was committed by militant gays. Heck - considering Palin’s history in her own state, it may even be traced back to that crazy taser-toting brother-in-law.
I messed up the link. There was supposed to be a closing tag in there.
OMG slim tyranny can now biatch about my tags!
This thread is about what happened to the vice presidential nominees church. The church was burned to the ground by domestic terrorists. Based on what has happened to other evangelical churches since the election it is fair to say that there could be gay militants involved. This may prove to be incorrect and could just be liberal sexist pigs instead.
Who knows exactly at this point.
This attack on Sarah Palin is just the latest in a year of attacks. Some would like to downplay the attack and equate these actions to other despicable acts done by other at different times..This approach of rationalizing the attack is wrong.
A woman ran for vice president with high values that seem to be an affront to secularists, environmentalists and gays. Because of her beliefs she has been attacked.
Some I suppose think that’s OK because others have been attacked in the past.I say no attack on wither side is OK especially a candidate for vice president who was brave enough to stand by her values and show herself publicly at extreme risk from militants.
Thank you — well said.
Karma will be swift on this issue too. You betcha! You can run, you can hide, but in the end, Karma going to get you and hit you in ways you never dreamed of.
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thank you for the thread Amy. I believe this highlights the problem we are having that many people do not see and that is our fight between good and evil.
The most active group supporting violence and intolerance is the group that lost Prop 8. It tells us intolerance is growing. Thee were a lot of verbal attacks and some physical threats.
This is a hate crime.
Okay, I don’t know how this whole idea got started that it is gay militants who attacked Palin’s church, but enough already. If they indeed did, I will certainly report that. But to project this onto the GLBT community is wrong. The GLBT community has been treated disparately for, well, ever, and MANY people in the GLBT community have been personally attacked, some killed, for being who they are. So, please stop already until there is some evidence to back extremely serious allegation up. Thanks.
Amy, thank you for the article. Do you know if there is a place to send donations to help rebuild the church?
I’m so tired of all this political garbage I feel like just stuffing my head in the sand and waiting ’til it’s all over. Trouble is, it’ll never be over…
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