Obama Chooses Evangelical Rick Warren to Deliver Inaugural Invocation – or Let’s Watch Some Heads Explode
By Ani on December 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM in Abortion, Andrew Sullivan, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Sexism, Women
CNN’s Alexander Mooney reports in his article Obama’s Inaugural Choice Sparks Outrage:
Prominent liberal groups and gay rights proponents criticized President-elect Barack Obama Wednesday for choosing evangelical pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at the presidential inauguration next month.
Warren, one of the most influential religious leaders in the nation, has championed issues such as a reduction of global poverty, human rights abuses and the AIDS epidemic.
But the founder of the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, has also adhered to socially conservative stances — including his opposition to gay marriage and abortion rights that puts him at odds with many in the Democratic Party, especially the party’s most liberal wing.
At odds? How could the Democratic liberal wing have expected otherwise? Throughout the primary, P.E. Obama made all sorts of promises to try to get the edge over Hillary Clinton, then went about reneging on every one of them. Remember FISA? Once he secured the nod, he arrogantly said “I understand if it’s a deal-breaker, but where else you gonna go?”
That’s right. You are now a notch on his bedpost. He got what he wanted from you and since he knew most of you would NEVER vote Republican, he blithely went about pandering to the next group he required to get him where he wanted to go. As far as he was concerned, since Hillary was gone, you had no other choice but to vote for him.
And this comment really said it all:
“[It's] shrewd politics, but if anyone is under any illusion that Obama is interested in advancing gay equality, they should probably sober up now,” Andrew Sullivan wrote on the Atlantic Web site Wednesday.
Now Andrew Sullivan wants to complain???????????
I have finally found one thing I have in common with Obama’s supporters. My head is going to explode along with all of theirs. How could any of them have voted for this man? Or had half an eye open this entire year and pretended for a moment that Barack Obama was anything but allergic to GLBT rights? Or to women’s rights, for that matter – but we’ll get to that later.
As to Mr. Sullivan, you coulda had Hillary, my dear. You know, the one you trashed with every fiber of your being despite the fact that she is the one who actually stood up loud and proud for you and your man to have equal rights. Did you ever see Barack marching in the Gay Pride parade? You should check with Hillary as to Barack’s whereabouts, ’cause she’s always there.
Instead you chose to worship at the foot of Obama. Yes, Andrew, P.E. Obama is the one who campaigned down south repeatedly with the likes of Donnie “ex-gay man reformed through prayer” McClurkin, ‘cause Barack needed to court all those evangelicals and homophobes.
Dear Andrew, let me explain how politics works. You know what every nominee wants? To get elected. You know what every first term President wants? A second term. And as Rick Warren himself just said:
“For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion — not just Christianity — has defined marriage as a contract between men and women,” Warren wrote in a newsletter to his congregation. “There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2 percent of our population.”
Ya’ get it now, Andrew? You are too small a percentage for Barack to sweat it.
Obama don’t care about you and yours because there are a helluva lot more evangelicals, religious conservatives and homophobes in this country than there are of you and your Gay brethren and sisteren. Got it? He figures he’s got you lined up anyway. He’s gonna go after the harder nut to crack that will give him a bigger reward at the polls for next time.
How does it feel to be under the bus? With the rest of us? Like I said before, plenty of room under here. We serve bitter burgers with arugula every day at 4 pm. Bring your own chips and pickles. And you might try eating a little crow while you are at it.
You could ask us women Hillary supporters how it feels under the bus. We were told very loudly this year that we did not matter, either.
To Andrew, and every other member of the GLBT community who fell for Obama and deserted Hillary – when she was the candidate who always stood up for you – how does it feel to keep chasing a club that doesn’t want you as a member?
That is exactly what Andrew Sullivan did in 2000. He enthusiastically jumped on the Bush bandwagon, even though Bush and the neo-cons would just as well have rather rounded up all the Gay folk in a football stadium and pretend they didn’t exist. Andrew was all for the Iraq war. Then in 2004, he changed his mind, did a big mea culpa and rejected Bush and his cronies.
Now if a man has the advantage of hindsight and the empirical evidence to know that his own judgment is suspect, wouldn’t you think that he wouldn’t rush off half-cocked and make the same mistake yet again? Unfortunately, Mr. Sullivan is not blessed with the gift of self-awareness.
Mr. Mooney’s article goes on to report:
People for the American Way President Kathryn Kolbert told CNN she is “deeply disappointed” with the choice of Warren and said the powerful platform at the inauguration should instead have been given to someone who has “consistent mainstream American values.”
“There is no substantive difference between Rick Warren and James Dobson,” Kolbert said. “The only difference is tone. His tone is moderate, but his ideas are radical.”
Dobson, a social conservative leader, is founder and chairman of Focus on the Family.
Linda Douglass, a spokeswoman for Obama, defended the choice of Warren, saying, “This is going to be the most inclusive, open, accessible inauguration in American history.”“The president-elect certainly disagrees with him on [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] issues,” Douglass said. “But it has always been his goal to find common ground with people with whom you may disagree on some issues.”
I see, Linda. Common ground? Nice sound bite. Well I invite you all to go back and read Barack Obama’s interview with The Advocate if you want to see more of his “nuanced positions” and his “search for common ground” re abortion or GLBT rights. I defy you to discern where he stands on either. He also delivered a “nuanced position” on Prop 8 in California telling people to vote no, while simultaneously saying marriage is only between a man and a woman. No mixed message there.
Warren’s support of California’s Proposition 8, a measure that outlaws same sex marriage in the state, sparked the ire of many gay rights proponents earlier this fall.
Warren, … wrote in October that the issue of gay marriage is not a political issue, but instead “a moral issue that God has spoken clearly about.”
Warren also stirred controversy earlier this week when he told Beliefnet.com his grounds for opposing same-sex marriage laid primarily on his right of free speech.
“There were all kinds of threats that if [Proposition 8] did not pass, then any pastor could be considered doing hate speech if he shared his views that he didn’t think homosexuality was the most natural way for relationships, and that would be hate speech.”
You’re kidding me, right? I see, Rev. Warren. But not allowing the GLBT community to have equal rights – what do you call that?
Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights campaign, said Wednesday he feels a “deep level of disrespect” over the choice of Warren and is calling on Obama to reconsider the move.
“By inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table,” Solmonese said in an open letter to Obama that was released by his organization
Does anyone think Hillary would have chosen Rick Warren to deliver her inaugural invocation?
I think P.E. Obama has made his views quite clear. Actions speak louder than “words, just words.”
Furthermore in that interview with The Advocate where he discusses trying to see all sides, i.e., never answering where he truly stands on GLBT rights, Obama then insults women by saying
“…Many Democrats don’t understand that abortion is a wrenching moral issue.”
Oh? Do we not, Barack?
Which brings me to my next complaint. Ladies, for any of you who were seduced into voting for this affable young shape-shifter, you are a notch on his bedpost, too.
It was Hillary, not him, always fighting for the rights of women, and their rights of choice, their rights to have all available contraception and health care. She put groups like NARAL and NOW on the map only have them abandon her for Obama’s seductive smile – though he has never done anything for women’s or GLBT rights that I could see. Hillary also said she believed that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare. And to add further insult to injury:
In his recent interview with Beliefnet, Warren also sparked outrage among supporters of abortion rights for criticizing those who have said abortion would be “safe and rare.”
“Don’t tell me it should be rare,” he said in the interview. “That’s like saying on the Holocaust, ‘Well, maybe we could save 20 percent of the Jewish people in Poland and Germany and get them out and we should be satisfied with that — I’m not satisfied with that. I want the Holocaust ended.”
Warren is comparing a woman’s right to choose to the Holocaust? That is outrageous. Further, it is a horrible and highly irresponsible thing to say. A man who makes this kind of statement is invited to make the invocation at Obama’s inauguration? How can women stand for this?
How can the Democratic Party stand for this? We are supposed to be the progressive party that stands for women’s equality and the right of women to have dominion over their own bodies. To have true equality, we cannot have our private health choices legislated to us by religious leaders or a bunch of rich, old, white men in Congress. We are also supposed to be the party that stands for equal rights for the GLBT community. What happened there? What kind of doublespeak is this? Mooney’s article concludes with the following disturbing piece of information:
[Warren’s] book “The Purpose Driven Life” has sold more than 20 million copies since it was first published five years ago, and Time magazine named him one of the 25 most influential evangelicals in 2005.
“Many believe that Warren … is the successor to the [Rev. Billy Graham] for the role of America’s minister,” Time wrote in 2005.
If that is so, heaven help us. President-Elect Obama sends a very disturbing message with this choice and makes quite clear where his priorities lie. Surely, they do not rest with progressive men, women or the GLBT community. His latest action only bears out what we have been saying all along: he is not who he pretends to be.
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In light of Rev Warren views, where are all of the Obama supporters rushing to scream about Roe v Wade? Why aren’t they concerned now?
After all, the mere presence of Sarah Palin would topple Wade. Warren is on record being against it.
Where are the emails from NOW, NARAL, and Emily’s list?
Where are the emails from the GLBT groups decrying this?
Where are the outraged articles and Op-Eds? Where are Ellen and Maddow about this?
Crickets…. That’s what I thought.
They’re not going to do anything.
They must be thinking… “Oh sh*t.”
Melissa Etheridge is probably freaking out.
Here’s your question:
“Given that Obama has said to you that he is for women’s rights and gay rights, given that you supported him over and above women who actually fought for women’s inclusion and do so everyday (Clinton and Palin), given that you supported him over a woman who has fought for gay rights (Clinton)- how do you feel about Pastor Warren, a man who is on record as adamently against abortion, gay marriage and basic individual liberty and representation of these minority groups?”
Here’s their probable response:
“Uhhhhhhhhhhh….. well, it’s not like Rick Warren is going to be President. He’s not setting the agenda.”
To which we can all respond:
“True. But this is a man who, with his choices to mark a “new day in politics”, is constantly making decisions that go against not just your absolute personal beliefs, but also against what you BELIEVED were his priorities too. So do you now recognize that he lied or “misrepresented” himself to get your vote? Or will you continue to ignore reality and rationalize your bad decision?”
Do we have to see the whole article on the front page?
This was just repaired — please refresh your screen.
Yea, and while you’re at it ask them if he has always smoked!
She must be struggling with being tolerant.
Ah GOOD! And I hope her buddy, Randi ranting ‘whore mouth’ on Air America, is even more freaked out.
Where’s the popcorn?
Sure I disagree with Warren’s ideology.But I think Obama made a very shrewd decision in his choice to have Warren to speak at his inauguration. Obama’s right America is a diverse place with many differnet viewpoints and Americans are bitterly divided on many issues. You peoDo I disagree with Warren’s ideology? Totally and completely. Do I think Obama made a bad decision in his choice to have Warren to speak at his inauguration? No. Obama’s right–America is as diverse as can be. We are serverly divided on many issues. People need to remember that millions of Americans did not vote for Obama and his administration will need the support of ALL the citizens in America in order to fix the massive problems we are facing now,. This is called opeing a dialogue, which he has champoioned and included in his message from the get go. If extremists on both sides of the issue aren;t smart enough to understand that this is just part of the beginning of the massive change in politics of this country then it’s their fault.
No-one said change was going to be easy.
Let me put it to you this way… a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down and that’s what Obama is doing here for the right wing/ evengelical crowd. He is calling them to the table. If anything, this has shown me how irrelevant extremist blogs and radio are going to become in the new administration. America is going ot move radically to the center – at least I think that’s Obama’s plan.
If anyone cared what people like you have to say, we’d go read this crap on Huffpoop. But thanks for playing.
Har-de-har-har. Have you actually read the crap you’ve been posting? I wouldn’t hold that hogwash in a gloved hand.
Apparently the Kool-Aide sure put a hurtin’ on you, Chester.
This has nothing to do with “a massive change in politics”. It has to do with one man’s aspirations to power being so great that he is willing to throw every group under the bus that he considers dispensable. It’s a math equation: Obama is going after the greatest numbers to secure his status among the electorate over the next eight years.
With a leader like this, why even have two parties – since the least powerful continue to have no representation? When people from various extremes are forced to dine at the same table, they are more likely than not to devour each other.
Change? Not really-They just turned the coin over.
heartland, you don’t have a heart. it is a cold stone coal. next!
This is called opeing a dialogue…
???
the beginning of the massive change in politics of this country then it’s their fault..
What you have no accountabilty?
…a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down…
Mary Poppins ?
Good luck with that, “He is calling them to the table” sound like the call to prayer to me…
Now I love the sound of the Adhan as much as Gregorian chant, Heartland Dem, but when it is from BO’s lips … UG.
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“At least I think that’s Obama’s plan.”
LMAO!!! You are just pathetic, heartland dem!
Members of groups like NOW, NARAL, and Emily’s List have have nothing to say anymore. They have no credibility. They just sold out.
Bros Before Hos.
Gays don’t count as bros, by the way.
Warren is comparing a woman’s right to choose to the Holocaust? That is outrageous. Further, it is a horrible and highly irresponsible thing to say. A man who makes this kind of statement is invited to make the invocation at Obama’s inauguration? How can women stand for this?
Great post, Ani! donna darko said Obama was a misogynist and homophobe. Now everyone can believe her.
“Where are the emails from the GLBT groups decrying this?”
They’re too busy planning their wardrobes for the inaugural balls. I have personal knowledge through two people who have worked for GLAAD that the organization exists for the purpose of hobnobbing with celebrities and raising money to maintain the lifestyles of the executives who run it. Both tell me that other high-profile LGBT groups are the same.
Here they are in The Advocate. Bwah ha ha. Told you so but the BoBoBots wouldn’t listen. NOW they feeel betrayed.
Guess what – SUCK IT!!!!!! BoBoPrecious is all yours!
ROFLMAO….Suck it is right. I tried to tell my gay pals that this Fraudbama CRAP was going to blow up in their faces. Then they got the big indignity that the AAs who came out to vote a FRAUD into the White House ALSO came out to vote the gay community out of their right to marriage. LOL LOL LOL. NOW we have the big show by Fraudbama of who he REALLY is. He’s not going to hand over car keys and house keys to AAs for “reparations” like they thought. Too bad, they have to pay their own bills. And he’s sure as HELL not going to come out in huge support for the Gay and Lesbian community. Time for that “I told you dumbazzes not to vote for him” tattoo on my frigging forehead. Like I said, EVERY – SINGLE – DAY there is a new Fraudbama INDIGNITY. Oh well. Good luck to the Obots whose heads literally must be like smashed pumpkins by now.
I did the same thing. I think I’m actually starting to like Obama now. He’s giving them exactly what they deserve for not bothering to research what they were asking for. The sad thing is this is not going to end with the Gay community. This is only the beginning.
Here they are in The Advocate. Bwah ha ha. Told you so but the BoBoBots wouldn’t listen. NOW they feeel betrayed.
Guess what – SUCK IT!!!!!! BoBoPrecious is all yours!
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid68652.asp
This is from Texas Hill Blog…ROFLMAO
Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008 16:09 EST
Obama supporters want refunds
At the Huffington Post, Peter Daou noticed that Obama supporters are expressing their anger at the Change.gov website.
So I dropped in at Change.gov. It’s getting ugly.
Here’s a recent post from somebody named Jacinto Hernandez:
Mr Obama,
I am writing to ask that you return the campaign donations made by myself, Jacinto Hernandez, and my husband, Charles Callahan, to your campaign. Chet and I were passionate supporters– Chet volunteered for weeks at a local phone bank. We attended numerous rallies and fundraisers– including one with your wife, Michelle (see attached picture) That fund raiser was ostensibly held to court support with the gay community. At that fundraiser, Michelle held my my baby and promised to “not forget us.” Yet you have. We worked tirelessly for your campaign– replacing our yard sign when it was vandalized. So why would you betray the gay community- that stood by you– and ask Rick Warren to lead your inauguration, when his anti gay rhetoric is dangerous to our family. He also was a huge proponent of proposition 8, that has endangered our family and has eliminated the civil rights of thousands of Californians.
We gave thousands of dollars– despite the tough economy- in hopes that are community would no longer be marginalized. Despite the passage of prop 8, we celebrated on election day. Today we feel betrayed. There are so many christian leaders who are advocates for the gay community– why choose one who is not?
Please return our donations immediately. We made donations over a number of occaisions, frequently in response to “urgent” pleas from your campaign. Consider this an “urgent” plea as well.
Please remove us from your mailing lists and never ask us for your support again, unless you stand with us and reject homophobia once and for all.
heh.
The sad part about this little missive is even if barky stood “with us and rejected homophovia once and for all” his fingers would be crossed and he’d change policy in a snap. Barky’s words mean NOTHING.
America is a diverse country..Having Rick Warren represent “the diversity” of America is a stupid argument. After all why not have the Grand Wizard of the KKK give the invocation as a representative of “diversity”.
Over at the Salon, Joan Walsh was blaming Rick Warren for Obama’s choice. How far will the apologist go to support their own denial and delusions. At least it is not Hillary’s fault.
People are being set up. I bet you he’s going to shift the right’s label of him as a far crazy left liberal onto those in the left thereby making him look sane when it comes time for re-election.
He’s going to do all sort sof things to piss off the left so that he looks more sane, in comparison, to them. The right will realize that’s maybe he’s not such a bad guy, and the regular dems will have no one else to vote for so….
I just feel like this is the biggest con in the history of America. Although I have to say that watching the Obots heads explode, after enduring months of their constant hypocrisy, screwed up thoughts, pretzel logic and just plain mean comments will be absolutely hilarious.
You know, the only thing I’m thinking is “how much did ya get?”
First thing I look at now is the money connection, wherever Obama goes, I figure someone had to pay, to play.
Yeah, even Rick Warren.
I was thinking about that yesterday. I suspect that Rick Warren was paid to play. I suspect nObama offered him the ‘inaugural position’ for world exposure if Rick would not ask him difficult questions at the deabte and if Rick would give nObama the questions to rehearse before hand. (seeing the questions before hand was a no no).
Is this bizarre or what? A religious right EXTREMIST will say the inaugural prayer at the DEMOCRAT inauguration! What’s MORE BIZARRE is that Rick Warren was probing nObama’s pro stance on live birth abortion! Rick Warren was bribed.
After all, the exposure would be good for Rick Warren’s pac fund-raising.
nObama doesn’t know how government rules go. He has a mish mosh of Democrat radicals and Republican extremist in his cabinet and catering to him.
We areHe is in deep doo doo.Ani, your article is a bit controversial. So instead of commenting on this, I’ll wait for your next interesting article.
LOL. Good Benny. That’s a real “nuanced approach.” Maybe you’ve got a future writing for the new administration.
come on oowawa, you know me. you know that I’m not an obot.
Yes Benny, I know you were being sarcastic. I myself am getting so used to being snarky, I’m having a hard time saying anything “seriously” anymore. It’s a sign of the times.
lol
Well, as a non-”nuanced”approach, let ME say that I didn’t vote for BO, but same sex marriage is a state’s rights issue. Go lobby your state assembly.
However, be that as it may, the tantrums gays are having about this drains all the credibility they have on other topics such as Chicago pay for play politics and others.
It’s not as simple as raising women’s rights who, by the way, have none of the respect gays are trying to grab with the same sex marriage issue. Let’s see some prominent lesbians like Brazile speak out for all women and then, we’ll see about same sex marriage.
Gays have all the harrassment/human rights laws everyone else has.
“Gays have all the harrassment/human rights laws everyone else has.”
I live in a state where I can be denied a job for being gay. Does it sound like I have the same rights as everyone else???
Or are you being deliberately obtuse?
LEGALLY denied? i would be very curious to know where you live because that is outrageous and wrong on so many levels…what state do you live in? i would like to write some letters…
What kind of job are you talking about? Kindergarten teacher? Clergy? Use your head and find some other job. And have a little respect for people who stand for values. Thank you.
whatever; you said we have equal rights. we don’t. if there is no law SPECIFICALLY outlawing anti-gay discrimination, then it doesn’t exist. is there such a national law? not that i’m aware of. and i can assure that here in south dakota there are no laws prohibiting discrimination against gays. saying that somebody should “get a different job” is a bit of a cop out, don’t you think?
forgot to add, what “values” are you talking about standing up for? gay bashing?
Despite lacking an identifiable consistent stance on the issue of gay rights, even alternating between promoting and then closeting his pal, the formerly-gay-but-now-‘saved’-heterosexual Pastor Donnie McClurkin; BO fooled almost everyone but people of color into thinking he is not a homophobe. (Coming from black churches, they know the deal. The pervasive homophobia in the black church could explain why so many gay black men are on the down low.) White people appeared surprised CA rejected gay marriage, as blacks who went to the polls to vote for BO also voted against gay rights.
JMc went on Ellen and tried to clarify, he does not believe in gay marriage but, objects to a Constitutional amendment. It’s up to the states to legislate. On the other hand, his Chief of Staff was an openly gay man.
Benny,
Thank God you included a smiley face. I thought you didn’t love me anymore.
Oh, SNAP, Ani!! Outstanding post!
You are spot on – what in the HELL made ANY of these people think Obama was going to do ANYTHING for them??
Joe Salmonese – what a joke. Just take a little looksee at his intro to HRC at the HRC board meeting last March (the link function doesn’t work for me – sorry): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSPxGmePSiA
And they endorsed OBAMA?????????
Kathryn Kolbert – maybe if she had actually PAID ATTENTION to the rampant sexism in which Obama and his minions participated in, willingly participated in, every single day, she wouldn’t be so damn surprised. Another group that will no longer get any money from me.
Well DONE, Ani!
thanks for the link.
What is it with liberals that they tolerate abuse like this?? (Imagine Bush having a Unitarian minister at his inauguration…..Actually I can’t, but it would be the equivalent.)
Dems stood by while Clinton, Gore and Kerry (I know he’s lame, but the Swiftboat attacks were despicable)were savaged as Bob Somerby at dailyhowler.com consistently points out. Now they are taking it from one of their own. He got away with trashing Bill Clinton and praising Reagan but it is time he pay a price for this behavior.
I can understand Obama not wanting to antagonize evangelicals just as many of them are rethinking their support for Republicans, but this in no way excuses his willingness to insult his own supporters. There are plenty of ministers who would be acceptable to evangelicals without being a slap in the fact to Democrats.
Very well put, Bernie. Your last paragraph in particular says it all.
I second that! way to go!!! brava!!
*don’t blame me, i voted for hillary*
I say what he said, don’t be concerned.
He said that after Warren, there are others that will speak also and make prayers that would cancel what Warren says and pray for. And then others to speak and pray that would cancel what those others say and pray for.
He said that the beauty of America that we are a diverse country of noisemakers and we need to tolerate others. Disagree but not be disagreeable.
Black I think is what he means. He wants all of us to be black, to become black, and when we all become black then switch to white, adopt white, become white. But first black, then white. But first black.
Sorry, I think he means the reverse. First white, become white, then switch to black, become black.
No, no, no. He means the opposite. The first time was the right way.
Schadenfreude is a beautiful thing Mr. Sullivan.
Andrew Sullivan can kiss his ass!
I’m sure he’s been working hard at it, and he’s almost there . . .
Poor Andrew just can’t seem to get no satisfaction….
Poor Andrew was
given the shaftbamboozled!Ka-POW, Ani! Both you and Amy are riled up over this today. LOL! Between the Blago scandal and this, I wonder what his favorability rating is today. He may be the only president to be impeached BEFORE inauguration.
How preposterous would it be for Aretha to sing RESPECT right after the good reverend’s invocation?
I don’t know why anyone except for blacks will go to this inauguration. Every act will be followed by one that cancels the previous. Every sentence followed by another that cancels the preceding. Every thought cancels the previous, every idea cancels the preceding. Why bother?
First they said that they expected 4 million at the Inauguration but that’s down to 1 million right now. Guess that’s due to our current trend toward deflation.
No! It’s due to nObama always lieing about crowd size and having to back track.
I believe speaking out of both sides of ones mouth at same time is now known as nuanced. That is the Obama Way. Say one thing and then say the exact opposite and say both things are true AND THEN SAY BOTH THINGS ARE FALSE. And then smile and make another trite saying and then smile and say two or three embarassing cliches illustrating the contradictions you just said and watch the media be impressed. He is so kewl. he is Precious. He is soooooo brilliant. He is such a fool and a liar. Bush’s third term….but worse.
0bama will raise “signing statements” to an art form.
Gay people should not feel used by Obama and have no grounds to be mad at him. They voted for him knowing full well what his views toward the LGTB community is. They have no one but themselves to blame.
Completely agreed. What’s the story ? Clinton doesn’t support gay marriage. And McCain is anti-abortion. No one here had trouble VOTING for either of them…what’s the big deal about an invocation ??
Because McClurkin and others were sought out by Obama. The general theme by all of these folks is that there is something “wrong” with gay people. Obama’s not for gay marriage either. So what’s wrong with voting for someone who agrees with him?
McCain also is not for overturning Roe v Wade. Rick Warren is. Even Scalia says Roe won’t be overturned so where’s the danger? But if Hillary or McCain had associated with this guy there would “guilt by association”. Why not for Obama? Or don’t his poop stink either?
Of Course she supports Gay Mariage! Just because she doesn’t always admit it, doesn’t change the facts!
nObama used Gays for their vote. We saw this coming. NO SURPRISE!
Please don’t generalize. Not all gay people voted for him.
I really appreciated how Ani’s essay said “To Andrew, and every other member of the GLBT community who fell for Obama and deserted Hillary” –
she didn’t assume we all voted for him.
correct; this lesbian sure as heck didn’t vote for him.
Spot on Ani!
Summed up all my feelings and beliefs simultaneously. Didn’t the liberals get a clue when Obama stated that he intended to EXPAND Bush’s faith-based initiatives program, not eliminate it? Where were all the ATHEISTS?
I think we’re also missing the real losers here besides gays and women, Black preachers! A BLACK preacher should have been given this honor. Not some bohunk CA one, but then again we must not discount Rev. Warren’s helping Obama by hosting a “debate”. And of course, it was NOT like Obama could have had his real pastor, Rev. Goddamn Amerika Wright, do the honor.
We’ve all been thrown under the bus and he ain’t even inaugurated yet!
shazam!
Fembots,
You asked where all the atheists were? I for one was telling all my colleagues who sit on the American Atheist PAC advisory board that Obama was worse than Huckabee BUT you know they all drank the Kool Aid anyway. One gay lawyer in this PAC said he met Obama and Barry whispered in his ear that he was sensitive to our issues. I told him the reason Barry whispered in his ear was because he didn’t want anyone else to hear him. I’m a proud atheist and Hillary supporter who resigned from the PAC board in protest of their support for Obama. PUMAs everywhere!
The PUMAS got their asses handed to them Nov 4th, good riddance.
Try this: Obama is owned!
ROTFLMAO
Try this: Hillary will never be president. Own that. lol
try this: obama will have bush approval rating by the end of his first term, and he’s ALL YOUR’S!!
you must not understand the force of the pendulum you little shit.
Heh. PUMAs will prolly get the last laugh afterall. Notice how Obama’s very good friends are all being indicted or umm, uhh, uhh, taped?
Reports of Rezko talking more…hmmm sounds like the real fun is about to begin
You have to be really desperate when you pull Rezko out of your diseased bunghole – please try again. lol
Hey HC (loser troll) – Boy are you going to have your own filthy, “diseased bunghole” riled up when Patrick Fitzgerald does his job and indicts FRAUDBAMA too. Criminals don’t get away with their illegal acts forever. Can your “diseased snootch” say OJ? ROFLMAO.
HC:
You are 100% correct, and the ass that was handed to us was PEBO. A mighty stinky one at that.
I’m 100% right that a beating was handed to you, and Hillary will never be president. Now sit on that fact, spin, repeat.
Obama was selected just like Bush.
Gloating over such a win….is like gloating that the sun rose this morning.
Only the mentally handicapped, glue sniffers, and disaffected PUMA douches look at a 9 million vote win as something being “handed” to someone. Silly jackass. lol
I noticed that Hillary had the most votes in the primary, so STOLEN and selected fits.
The Pumas still live We will prevail
By next elections the Obamas drunks, druggies, college kids, and uninformed misfits will have moved on to the next fad.
A beating by 9 million votes is hardly a fad. Now, Hillary’s gas tax holiday and all of the plethora of losing tactics that she subscribed to – fads.
You are getting handed your ass right now even before the inauguration. Your guy punked you and whored himself for your vote and the PUMAS are alive and well and waiting to pounce! GRRRRR
Apparently PUMA inbreds don’t look at polls. Obama’s approval numbers, through the fucking roof. Thoughts?
Actually the poll I read on MSNBC thought that he was doing “an OK job” (hardly a ringing endorsement) but considering the little scuz bucket hasn’t even taken office yet…if you think he’ll be able to withstand the scrutiny Bill Clinton did…whoo boy, I have some GM stock to sell you.
you’re an ass. the PUMAS made the election as close as it was. the republicans stayed home.
Hey HC…The only thing that got handed anything November 4th was America getting handed the biggest con job and FRAUD in history. I’m not a PUMA but they still rock on and they had the ballz to take a stand against fraud, deception, and the violation of people’s voices and votes. Can’t say the same for Bots like you, huh? Wonder what you feel like looking in the mirror these days. It can’t be pretty.
Listen YOURMOTHERSAFRAUD – Puma’s got their asses handed to them, cooked cocaine is the only way they “rock”, and Obama is going to be a much better President than Hillary ever could have been. She got where she is because of her husband, Obama did it on his own. Let that Marinate.
Barky knows all about cocaine. He’s a druggie dirtbag…no wonder you admire him.
HC…STFU you loser. Go back to the Daily Kook where your troll azz is welcome. Spewing your idiocy isn’t helping Fraudbama’s cause. Tick tock, tick tock…OJ got it and so will the Fraud…
obama made it on his own??!! he’s a bought and paid for, crooked, Affirmative Action tool, and his puppet masters are going to start pulling america’s strings come jan. 20.
hc, put it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Maybe Rhonda Byrnes wasn’t available?
But seriously, the guy who sat in the most hate filled church in America and pretends not to hear hate invites the guy who thinks he’s qualified to judge women and gays?
PUH-LEZ!
I hope their heads DO explode. They stuck their fingers in their ears and sang folk songs louder and louder to drown out the warnings. I have not one bit of sympathy.
With Obanana the center will now be defined as a ‘black hole.’ A vortex where everything dissipates.
Whoa–Ani!!! Great slapdown. Take thta, Andrew!
I will never know why the obvious was not so obvious to so many on this as well as other issues.
Methinks that Barky is trying to throw a bone to the SoCons (social conservatives), but it’s not going to work. They’re still not going to like or trust him, even if he has the ghost of Jerry Falwell rise up from the grave and give the invocation.
He won, how didn’t it work you silly shit? lol
you’re a child.
Your mothers a child.
He won?
Won what?
He’s still surrounded by the stupidest people on earth.
You really don’t get it, do you?
Maybe YOU should run for president, next.
So which small army of different people exactly do you thnk Hillary would have surrounded herself with?
Ask her.
Do you inbreds actually read what you type? Obama’s team is top notch, and you sperm receptacles are so devoid of arguments that you whine like a bunch of scorned lovers. He won, get over it asshat.
The only sperm receptacles I can really see here are the ones on their knees and bending over for Bambam.
He won and the rest of the freakin’ world loses.
No, only you lose – because you’re a loser.
Caucus theft and thuggery to cover up fewer votes than Hillary recieved isn’t winning. It’s stealing, and we know Othug’s caucus crims did just that – stole the primary.
Hillary beat him, so he turned criminal.
That’s just fact.
A dishonorable, criminal takeover, not worthy of being called a win.
Commonly used phrase is election theft.
That’s what we’re talking about, a theif with a crew of too many cheaters.
what goes around comes around …. turd muffin
If by “won”, you mean stole, then you are correct, bot.
he stole it hc. when you say silly twit, look in the mirror, fool.
uh, bush won. twice. enjoy your new affirmative action president.
The full quote by Andrew Sullivan, only part of which is contained in the article above:
I show you this to point out that Mr. Sullivan thinks that Hillary would have been worse on gay rights than Obama. It’s safe to say that Andrew does not regret his vote for Obama.
Andrew never struck me as very bright.
In fact, they, meaning the “intellectual elite” of that caliber, seem self appointed.
I think “wetbrain” applies here as well for ole Andrew
I think Sullivan is fooling himself if he thinks that Obama is more for Gay rights than Hillary. Look at their records and their behavior.
Andrew Sullivan has horrid judgment, as HIS past behavior shows. He has to justify his own actions and will continue to do his happy dance as long as possible — until his next mea culpa, a la the one Sullivan delivered re Bush and the neo-cons in 2004.
Absolutely Ani.
The real clue was Obama refused to even pose in pics with gay politicians! Hillary has marched in gay pride parades. That’s a huge difference in my book.
Yep. Like this past summer at Chicago’s Gay Pride Parade, BoBo Precious had a chance to show what an inclusive and forward person he was and march in the parade.
Instead, he got a haircut and played basketball. Yet, liberal gays were still falling over themselves singing his praises.
Schadenfreude is a beautiful thing you betcha!
Hillary’s concession speech was inclusive of gays. Remember that last speech and all the tears?
Sullivan hates Hillary because he is a misogynist. No news there.
Great post Ani. Thanks!
OMG. sullivan thinks obama will be better than clinton on gay rights. wow. that explains a lot.
I just went over to AmericaBlog for the first time since John decided women would do just fine under the bus to see the heads exploding.
My comment to them:
John,
It didn’t matter to you when he threw women under the bus, why are you surprised now that you are joining the crowd under the bus. People who don’t stand up for human rights for all shouldn’t be surprised when they are excluded too.
“In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
I took that poem and applied it to the history of feminism. I wrote it after what I saw happening to Palin. I’ll paste the url below. It sounds like it would be interesting to apply it to everyone whom BO has thrown under the bus.
http://myfugue.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/the-history-of-feminism-and-exclusion/
Anyone notice the trolls becoming more shrill, over the past few days?
I wonder what’s up?
Cognitive dissonance. When they’re confronted with conflicting information they dig in harder. It’s the final stage before waking up to reality.
I hope your right, it would be nice, for a change.
They are taking out Barfy’s incompetence and lies onto us. They don’t know what to do with themselves they are so upset over being punked and lied to..maybe their brains are thawing out of a deep freeze or maybe they realize they were bamaboozled.
Obama should invite KKK Grand Wizard David Duke to speak at the inauguration. It’s going to be the most inclusive inauguration in history.
I have zero sympathy for any community that thought Obama would keep his word.
I watched him speak and he agreed with whatever group he was talking to at the time. He rarely discussed programs or legislation. He stroked the crowds’ egos and told them what they wanted to hear.
If Obama could not help the people in his own district in Chicago how can he save the world?
People knew this but ignored it. So suck it up, LGBT, disgruntled liberal bloggers, womens’ groups, and black folk that still think he’ll pay all of their bills.
Obama advocated more publicly for FISA and the banker bailout than he has for any programs for the American people.
People saw what they wanted to see. Obama admitted that people projected onto him what they wanted to see and believe. Yet none of his followers heard. Willful ignorance carries a heavy price.
A leader that tries to be all things to all people always ends in failure.
Hear Hear!
Well said, Candymarl!
Thank you:0
0bama was on both sides of every issue so people always thought he was on their side…they ignored what they wanted to ignore.
Multiple personalities speaking out of a two-faced head–lots of combinations possible, there.
Yeah like they won’t get their pot legalized but they thought nObama would legalize it…hahahaha
You HAVE BEEN PUNKED!
But rollin_thunder, the Rasta’s are thinkin that and sayin
“can’t we just get along”?
Sure as a Humboldt Honey wears birks’
Fine, as long as you don’t assume that everyone in my “community” feels the same way. And frankly, it sounds like you do.
If you were talking about blacks, in this election, you would not be far off the mark. But exit polls suggest that Sen McCain and Gov Palin received 27% of the gay vote. Bush received 19% in 2004. 0’s share of the gay vote was 7% less than John Kerry’s.
So would that McCain receiving 27% of the gay vote indicate PUMAs who voted for him. Any break down of PUMAs vs. Log Cabin Republicans?
None of the sources I’ve been able to locate give any breakdown of estimates for PUMAs and LCRs. Just anecdotally, I do know quite a few gays and lesbians here in Manhattan who voted GOP, but kept quiet about it. I have a hunch that the exit polls understate the gay vote for McCain/Palin. For some people, standing up to be counted against 0 was like coming out of the closet all over again.
Gay here – voted third party.
Note I said “any community”. I’m not just talking about gay folks here.
And a People too lazy to correct the problem loses Liberty just as Benjamin Franklin predicted. Soertoro/Obama chose not to plagarize Franklin, as he did ohers, because he pointed out the pretender’s defeciences rather than the myth he was creating.
Franklin had a lot to say about guarding our Constitution. Things like
.
or to warn We the People
something we have done a lot of recently. And something that seems to have gone beyond the city limits of Chicago when we witness a political novice, Caroline Kennedy, who is suddenly wanting to purchase a Senate seat with credentials earned by supporting another political novice because her teenage daughter told her to. But in the words of her father, John F. Kennedy
But, as T
But If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor liberty to purchase power.
In the future:
“While Obama does not agree with [insert dictator's name here] stance on stoning women for adultery, Obama has great admiration for [dictator] and hopes we can look past our differences.”
Good one!
Anyone know if Obama said anything after that Afghani girl’s school was attacked by Taleban spraying their faces with acid?
I don’t recall hearing anything.
He wants to negotiate with the “more moderate elements” of the Taliban. So I wonder if throwing acid is a more moderate position than stoning?
Comment by Saw It Coming | 2008-12-18 14:11:08
I just went over to AmericaBlog for the first time since John decided women would do just fine under the bus to see the heads exploding.
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Did your comment get published??? Of all of the Hillary haters, John is the worst.
I just visited for the first time too and I have to say that there are certainly a lot of entries on the topic of Warren — guess that they must be really steamed. Oh well…..
Yes it did show up, I was very surprised. No one has commented on it… so I guess their new tactic is to ignore? I figured I’d get blasted big time.
These accolytes were so gullible, falling for a vague hopey-changey message from The One. He never said what he would do, never spelled anything out concretely. He hadn’t accomplished anything and he wouldn’t specify how he would make all this hopey-changey stuff would happen. He didn’t appear to be reality based.
The reason I was for Hillary (beyond the reality that she had actual accomplishments, could speak off the cuff intelligently on any topic you asked her about) was that she was upfront about where she stood and got into specifics. You knew what she would be fighting for. You could see her record of fighting for what she said she would.
Amen. Thanks for your comment.
Maybe they just didn’t know how to answer.
“He hadn’t accomplished anything”
except for throwing people under the bus
Alice Palmers, all the other IL Black legislators that got him to the US senate, his constituents, Rev. Wright, Hillary supporters, Blago,
…and now Gays and Black preachers.
Thank you for summing up so well in your last paragraph why I worked as hard as I did this year for the Clinton campaign and contributed as much as I could afford. Anyone who has ever seen her in action or spoken with her one on one (especially) knows that she is a rare one. God bless her.
Let’s see, isn’t Andrew Sullivan the same guy with AIDS who ran ads asking for “bareback” sex? Isn’t he the same guy who pushed the idea that Sarah Palin was really Trig’s grandmother and not his mother? (see Wikipedia article for details).
He doesn’t sound like a very nice man to me. His support for Mr. O might not be very valuable in the long run. In fact, he may not even be invited to any White House soirees.
Hey he could have picked his real kewl friend Rev. Wright.
Opps I forgot Wright is probably still under the bus. Hey whats a few tire tread marks between friends.
Did he pick an AA preacher, too?
I would think it would have been an appropriate gesture, and welcome, too.
Freakin’ great article, Ani.
One day there’s just going to be Obama’s gigantic bus and all of America underneath it.
In all the sad story, watching Sullivan’s head’s explode is the brightest part.
Also, W hearts Obama and wants him to succeed
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/w-we-care-about-him-we-want-him-to-succeed/
Ahhh, but I’ve read that gays are participating in the Inauguration Parade, a marching band. A huge step forward!
And from Obama’s own statement:
“I think that it is no secret that I am a fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans. It is something that I have been consistent on and something that I intend to continue to be consistent on during my presidency.”
There you have it–from Obama’s lips to our ears. Rick Warren? We need to all get along:
“. . .then focus on those things that we hold in common as Americans. ”
Which, of course, is nothing. But that’s beside the point.
Heads are definitely exploding on the far left. Rick Warren’s selection [made by Obama not the selection team which was the first excuse served up to the minions] came on the heels of the Vilsack appointment to agriculture. Two screeching howls in one day.
I fear there may be outbursts of spontaneous combustion at any time because the trance is wearing off. It is not a pretty sight!
Good article, Ani.
Oh and btw, many of the progressive posters I’ve read have declared a preference for Rev. Wright and his brand of “liberation theology” on Inauguration Day. That would have been more suitable, they claim.
Do these people have any good ideas? Nah.
Too rich! Link?
so the opposite is true in both statements. why or when will people just get up and leave when he says these kind of statements. I would.
Hi Catfish!
Just got back in and saw your inquiry. I picked this quote up from a vid [AP Chicago] available at:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11156646&ch=4226716&src=news
You’re right–too rich. Or too little, too late.
Gonna be a “lo-o-o-ng four years.
You can also pick it up at Hot Air blog, under the headline: Obama: I’m Inviting Warren in the Spirit of Diversity,
http://hotair.com/
Warren and his church are also from the misogynist stone age.
You hear no hue and cry from women, because we are not in the least surprised that Obama would choose as his next religious friend a man who thinks women are not fit to lead…anything. And more…
If LGBT are 2%, as Warren says, women are 52%. But I guess we are more accepting of being serially abused.
Let the reign of Obotia begin!
I know of people who have left his church, never saying anything negative, other than making a face, and saying “we no longer attend.”
Don’t know why, didn’t ask, nice people, though.
Ani,
This is just terrific, the best thing I’ve read on the topic.
And the connection between misogyny and homophobia is deep:
To hate women is to hate people who admire them and love them – e.g. lesbians -or people who in the minds of a homophobe are equivalent to women, e.g. gay men because they are objects of sexual pleasure for men (as the homophobe would put it).
In short, misogyny encourages and enables homophobia.
And P.E. Obama wants his first administration blessed by somebody who is both homophobic and misogynistic.
There is no sexual pleasure, there isn’t even necessarily the objectification of women (or men), there is only the expression of self hate expressed as the objectification of women, or men.
“These accolytes were so gullible falling for a hopey-changey message”
Did you ever know someone who was in love with or engaged to a real loser whose faults were obvious to everyone but the person in love with him or her? And they just kept being in denial and then got married and within six months they woke up to the reality of who they just married. Sometimes they hung in there longer making excuses for the person but eventually it all fell apart. Well,this is what BO is to his devoted followers, the honeymoon for the gay rights activists, the left wing groups, the young people and the AA community will be over and Pastor Warren is one more example that BO is a lying piece of crap.
What a spectacle. People’s heads exploding while the heads are up their own asses. Could get messy.
LOL.
Why is any of this a surprise to the human rights and gay advocacy groups? Barry is a fraud and he’s a liar. He said he does not support same sex marriage but against prop 8? Hellooooo???? Looks like Jesse Jackson did pluck barry’s tiny balls after all, he can’t even make a stance one way or another.
Wonder who’s next to wake up from their dumb stupor.
The even sicker point about ” He said he does not support same sex marriage but against prop 8?”
is that BO ran ads in Support of Prop 8 here in the broke ass state of California.
Wait until they find out they are still responsible for their mortgage and putting gas in the car.
I filled the tank at Costco which $1.65;
but on the way to the pump the radio said that a house that was worth 600k is now worth 350k… so I am paying for yesterdays value and getting todays prices. Nothing like being top heavy financially.
teak, those houses worth $350 today will go back up. the market goes up, it comes down. The same with oil. it will go back up. there is no doubt about that. timing is everything!
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All I can say is, I can’t wait until the inauguration is over and the OHoolpla dies down, and then the real fur is gonna fly when the Obots see that he’s not the Progressive Savior they were hoping for.
I for one am very dissappointed. I was soooo looking forward to Rev. Wright gyrating across the stage at the corona. . . I mean inauguration.
He may still be there. Father Pfleger can do his deeds also.
Like ACORN said vote early and vote often. He can have many invocations.
Ha!Ha!
We are reminded of a sage remark which Lincoln is said to have made; Some friends asked him; “Are you sure that G-d is on our side?” To which he replied ” It is more important to know that WE are on G-d’s side.”
Good for Obama and maybe there is hope for him. One good home-run for the conservatives and one “slap” for the liberals.
I guess they must be “dumbfounded” to know that he is slowly moving to the right. Ha!hA
look at all the ads all over this site now. Must be desperate for money
poor dumb troll. lol
Why are you here, then, Goob? Desperate for company? Sorry, we don’t like you. Have an ordinary day,
Must be desperate for money
can you spare a barak?
Outstanding work, Ani!
Well, I actually wish that Obama had selected Reverend Manning to give the invocation. I consider him the official pastor of the PUMAs. The invocation would sound something like: “And may God help this long-legged mac daddy as he takes the oath of office.”
LMAO
Aren’t we all waiting to see what Rev Manning has to say about this.
I guess Obama had to pick a white pastor to offset the other Black one because according to his speech on race all Black preachers are racist like his.
I think we better sell off our Kool Aid stocks quickly now. They are on the decline.
Thank you, Ani, for the best Sullivan smackdown I’ve seen this year!!! It’s a well deserved smackdown, too.
So PUMAS (who were all Sarah Palin voters and supporters) are now lecturing the rest of the world about Abortion and LGBT rights?
You’re right about the heads exploding part.
You don’t get out much, do you, troll?
i’m rubber you’re glue @ the name calling.
now if you don’t like my points you can
A) disprove the content of my arguments
B) call me names or
C) have me banned.
False dilemma, bot. A logician you are not. I can choose to make light of your idiocy and witless blather or I could just ignore your sorry automaton dreck.
COLBert (aka Obot Loser Troll) – Guess what? We don’t need to have you banned or any of that. You entertain the hell out of us with your buffoonery. And it’s YOU people who support the Fraud and his Crook County Commode full of Criminals that will be feeling really hungover from the Fraud-Aid you drank this year.
Palin was upfront in her opposition.
Obama lies, and IMO, is now using this as a wedge issue (all the little generals do, donchaknow!)
Unsaid, here, too, is the snub the AA community has suffered, given Obama’s choice and the importance of the church, surely an AA preacher should have been featured as the primary speaker.
Well, they wanted focus off Blago, I suppose.
Palin never said she was against gay rights. She said her personal views were hers but she would abide by the wishes of the voters.
Based on the wishes of the voters she vetoed an anti gay bill because thats’ what the voters wanted.
I’d say that’s a reasoned reaction.
Candymarl – I think that Palin also took the same approach with abortion rights. I wrote a post on it -
http://myfugue.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/palin-and-pro-choice/
RE: Comment by Ani | 2008-12-18 14:10:21
“I think Sullivan is fooling himself if he thinks that Obama is more for Gay rights than Hillary. Look at their records and their behavior.
Andrew Sullivan has horrid judgment, as HIS past behavior shows. He has to justify his own actions and will continue to do his happy dance as long as possible — until his next mea culpa, a la the one Sullivan delivered re Bush and the neo-cons in 2004.”
Shouldn’t that be “Andrew Unprotected-Public-Sex Sullivan?”
We really didn’t have to go thru this primary hell. People should have read Shelby Steele’s book about Obama.
It was a publicly documented (as in the press) fact I seem to recall.
damn if we only listened to PUMAs about the whitey tape, the COLB forgery, the fake grandma’s illness conspiracy, and the danger of micky mouse and dead people voting, we’d have a true champions of gay rights and abortion rights in the oval office… John Mcain and Sarah Palin.
The worst, though, is when some fat stupid rich guy like Soros buys the presidency for mickey mouse — having to listen to that VOICE every day, I can’t tell whether its’ the helium, or the lack of testoterone, in regard to Obama, that makes him sound so gosh darned femme.
What do you think?
Larry Sinclaire knows all about Obama Of course being married to Jackie Michelle Obama would make you want to put your person in strange places
nObama is going to change the law to get scoop mouth as a paid member of his cabinet. Job duties: pose as first lady..
Check that story out. It would make a nice article for someone.
As for the troll, Id’ rather know someome was sending me a box of shit than have it just be a surprize package. Wonder it they smell anything yet?
pdgrey… you were willing to throw reproductive rights under the bus for the sake of KNOWING a box of shit was on its way rather?
Reproductive rights were never at stake, moron. That is the same old wedge issue that is dredged up every four years by both sides. Nice try, bot, but we’ve seen that picture before and it was a dog even then.
COLBert, you don’t know how I voted, ASSHOLE!
when you said “Id’ rather know someome was sending me a box of shit than have it just be a surprize package.” it sounded like you were voting for Mcain.
But we’re all gonna forget that episode when PUMAs were agitating for Mcain Palin, right?
we’re all just going to believe that PUMAs have been the LBGT & reproductive rights crusaders all along…and THEY TOLD US THIS WOULD HAPPEN… lmao.
Were you born with the letters spelling stupid on your forehead or was is tattooed there as part of the rite of passage when you become an obambot? Just curious, troll. Well, not really.
Were you born with the letters spelling stupid on your forehead or was is tattooed there as part of the rite of passage when you become an obamabot? Just curious, troll. Well, not really.
oh well I suppose my points have somehow magically been disproven by the fact that you insulted me…. and then refreshed the page and accidentally insulted me again in your rush to let the anger out.
You have no points, you have no intelligent arguements.
The point to which you refer is firmly attached to your shoulder blades, Goob.
But McCain and Palin were upfront in their views. Obama refused to meet with gays in California, did not openly oppose Prop 8, and pandered to the likes of McClurkin and Warren while claiming he was for gay rights.
It’s been shown that it was Obama supporters in CA that passed Prop 8. Obama has not said one word about that.
Obama let his voice be used in robo calls that supported Prop 8 as well.
Despite knowing his true views on the subject. It was still shocking to hear it on the phone and tied to Prop 8. A man who repeatedly threw down the race card asking people to be prejudice against others.
it sounded like you were voting for Mcain. …
is that like BO sayin “what we heard on the transcript”?
(t… I know)
Of course everyone here knows you voted for nOBAMA’s Drama COLbert foul mouth stupido!
Stop the lies!
I’m not being cheeky here,
could anyone tell me what exactly Rev. Warren said that is misogynistic, aside from equating abortion to the holocaust?
Thanks!
lol, I think that’s the big one, Fembot. But if you need more reasons here’s one you don’t see much lately:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959
Thanks NomNom.
Of course the fame video games where you blow up Christians and nonChristians as end of the world prep.
Actually though I was looking for something more like this which I found at Reclusive Leftist’s blog:
Most of the outrage surrounding this choice focuses on Warren’s opposition to gay marriage and reproductive rights. But there’s something else about Warren, something the women of America might like to ponder as they watch this worthy pray aloud at our new President’s swearing-in: this is a man who believes that wives should be subservient to their husbands. Marriage is not an equal partnership, in Warren’s view, but a dominance hierarchy, a union between a superior and an inferior. Kind of like a boss with one employee.
As explained by a suitably submissive wife on Warren’s Ministry Toolbox site: “It is a relief to know that as a wife and mother I am not totally responsible for my family. I have a husband to look to for counsel and direction. I can rely on his toughness when I am too soft and his logic when I am too emotional.”
[emphasis added]
May I also add that Palin’s church does not subscribe to this view of women!
OMG-I can’t believe you have to ask that. Please stop voting and GROW A BRAIN!
Fantastic article Ani, very clear, bringing all of it and us together, in the “Land Under the Bus”. One just has to wonder, why anyone could have believed it would be any different for their cause or group; especially after seeing half of the human species discarded and dismissed. I think there may be no group safe from the tread marks, save those with the last name of “o”, time will prove this out, over and over again.
The Obama voters are to uninformed to know Mr. Obama opposes gay marriage. Obama was supported by many losers in the far left of the Democratic Party. The glass is still half empty.. Merry Christmas
We should conduct a poll on who we think Obama should have chosen. It might be fun. Choices could include:
– Rick Warren
– James Dobson
– Rev. Wright
– Father Pfleger
– Rev. Manning
– Rev. Jesse Jackson
– Don Imus (he’s ordained as a minister of the Yahoo Rodeo church or something like that)
– Oprah Winfrey (she has a new religion)
Or that skid-row, street-corner preacher, COLBert.
I think he should have gone for The Pope. When Benedict XVI, in full regalia, tells the world that O is truly The One (and then repeats it in Latin), it will carry some weight. Any other clerics, not so much.
Good choice. And that would be smart politics – bringing in that Catholic support for 2012.
I would PAY for front row seats to see Rev. Manning in the same room as ob. That would be the comedy event of my life-time. The long legged mack daddy would be hiding behind a curtain or under a chair before Manning was even warmed up.
Pastor Manning should do it AND RANT about the inauguration of the emissary of the devil..he should be the last speaker so it sticks.
oh no wait, how about Benny Hinn, would fit right on the list.
Excellent article.
As that Donna Brazile article on Nov 5, 2004 made clear the next election was going to be fought on racism and religion.
Like you point out.
For Democrats to gain the numbers of the religious right they had to dump the gay community. This was the plan long ago.
I don’t give a damn WHO the Fraud calls on for the Invocation. He’s NOT a REAL President and never will be MY President. He could have picked Mickey Mouse for all I care. The whole point, to me, is that it’s happening right before our eyes…LONG before we could have even predicted…the far left looney tune wing nuts are getting pissed at him BEFORE he gets into the White House and shows what a con man and liar he is. This is a big Christmas present to all of us. TOLD YA.
The bots are going insane over at HuffPo. It warms the heart seeing all the obamatron’s frying motherboards melting into a shapeless mass of goo.
Why are they going insane? They crowed about “winning”. They said this is who and what they wanted. So what’s the problem?
Well Candimarl, they were already in a quandary trying to explain why Caroline Kennedy had more actual experience than Sarah Palin, and now this! You know, it’s just a lot of mental gymnastics to ask of anyone.
Awwww….poor BOTS…they have to admit that their “Great Black
HypeHope” is really the “Great White Liar.” The Great White Liar from the Sewer of Crook County.Yes to the bots too. They know where they can stick it. Damned lame brains.
nObama is not dem or repub..he’s a socialist communist and even has a pac for that group with his phone number listed by the group.
He’s a dem or a repub like I’m a commie..NOT!
RE: Comment by candymarl | 2008-12-18 18:56:49
Why are they going insane? They crowed about “winning”. They said this is who and what they wanted. So what’s the problem?
Yeah!
AND what a bunch of SORE WINNERS they were, and are.
The media is doing to Apple computer what it did to Hillary Clinton.
They’re trying to pull the stock value down. Every time they can, they
claim Steve Jobs is unhealthy.
Time Magazine, got caught posting a WARPED photo to show how thin
he Jobs is getting.
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19426/
(Jobs was successfully treated for cancer in 2004, and the media never misses an excuse to bring it up.)
I am an enthusiastic Mac user. I was burned so many times by pcs, that we went over to Macs years ago, and I would never, ever go back. If anything happened to Apple it would be personally devastating.
Seeing how mediocrity shoved aside the great Hillary Clinton, makes me realize how vulnerable the truly great things are.
RE: Comment by Heidi Li | 2008-12-18 15:08:11
Ani,
This is just terrific, the best thing I’ve read on the topic.
And the connection between misogyny and homophobia is deep:
To hate women is to hate people who admire them and love them – e.g. lesbians -or people who in the minds of a homophobe are equivalent to women, e.g. gay men because they are objects of sexual pleasure for men (as the homophobe would put it).
In short, misogyny encourages and enables homophobia.
And P.E. Obama wants his first administration blessed by somebody who is both homophobic and misogynistic.
AMEN! THE connection between the two needs to receive more attention on PUMA sites.
The “fierce advocate” is full of chit. I went over to several gay publications and they are furiously commenting and wishing they could get a refund of the time and money they spent on the sham-man. The comments by the community range from furious to just plain old angry. Many comments in support of Hillary for 2012 too. They woke up – FINALLY.
Now they all sound as if they are slapping their foreheads and saying “oh damn, we could have had a V-8 but instead we sucked on a lemon!”
Unfortunately, a day late and $750 million short, I’d say.
This information was obvious to anyone who took five seconds to look. This is very sad indeed.
Let’s see….
We know Warren is a misogynist and a homophone…..
What are the odds that he’s a racist as well?
I bet a bit of research on that would be enlightening.
My! My! So many angry liberals on this blog tonight. They remember their “Messiah” saying to them; “Do not fear! I have stood between you and the avenging wrath of a unjust hold G-d named Yeshua. You need to do nothing-but put your hand in Mine. For I am your wonderful Redeemer! I will make sure your sexual preference is heard from here to eternity. You will be lifted in a beam of righeousness in front of the land and your lives will see brillance acceptance.!”
Yeah….fools….it is a good thing that this soldier could see through this foolish Messiah- and I am now laughing my guts out with how “the false prophet deceived you.” The worst thing in life, is for a gay man to find the straight life, and then he will surely condemn the life he walked in the past. Get- ready for the back lash of his attitude to gays since most of your remember his “rumored” encounter with LS. Mr. Obama will surely be a man who will be put down in history as the “gay basher”. Watch and see, liberals! Little by little, I will sit back and watch the moving to the right……………by this chicago thug.
As he moves to the right, the right will move to the right or to the right of the right. The right is repelled by Obanana.
Not too repelled. Remember, an estimated 10 million Republicans never showed up to vote!
Of course this had more to do with $$$$$$ cause Obama promised to give them $$$$$$ under his expansion of the faith based initiatives program started by Bush.
Two sides of the same coin — that’s why Bush is bending over backwards to ensure that there is a smooth transition for him.
My guess is that the gays on this blog who are upset with Obama are the ones who did NOT vote for hiim.
If there are any gay bots here, they’re probably still at the making excuses phase (in public, anyway). Around “their own” they may show they’ve been wounded. They dissed us so much (Hillary and/or McCain/Palin supporters) that I don’t think they’d have the nerve to b*tch HERE about what BO’s doing.
Shutting your enemies out and not allowing them to the table and trying to destroy them instead of convert them is the Bush way, the William Ayers way and, apparently, the PUMA way.
Unfortunate for you and other anger and hate-based “movements”, but America is moving past that failed paradigm and people like yourselves will be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. It’s afuture of sensible public policy and respect for private morality and it’s already started.
Kudos for Obama for truly folowing the teachings of Christ in this circumstance instead of the failings of Bush.
No one is being shut out–you’re posting your bilge here, aren’t you, which always includes hyperbole and hystrionics galore. It was you and your fellow traveler bots who did all the shutting out and censoring. Unlike you, those of us who see through the polyehtylene prevaricator are awake. LLet us know when your alarm goes off, dud.
And another thing, bot, this isn’t about anger–it is about an unfit, unqualified, dangerous noephyte in the WH named That One. You can misdirect, obfuscate, and create diversions all you want but it will avail you nothing. Go back down the hall to Daily Kos.
Obviously by being shut out, I’m referring to the Evengelical, social coservatives…
Anyway, you sure sound angry to me,Ferd. Why the anger? I’m not goin to take the bait, and I’m not going to go away, I don’t think. Other’s have told me I am fostering discussion.
I’m not angry at you–I’m laughing at you. Your false idol is the second coming of Shrub. Sam song, differnt verse; your new boss is your old boss; different administration, same kind of arrogant ignoramus in charge.
You’ve been had, bamboozled, taken to the cleaners, ripped off, taken advantage of, and conned. You’d be better off snipe catching than trying to win anyone over with that mishmash you call a comment.
heartland dem…You’re kidding, right?
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I saw more hatred coming from Obama supporters this campaign season than anywhere else. Let me remind you about the woman who was hired to take photos of McCain for the Atlantic and then photoshopped him to look like a vampire with the word “Warmongerer” above him.
Don’t get all holier than thou and try to pretend Obama supporters are all about love and light. They are not. They are anti-Republican, anti-heartland, and anti-anything that does not toe their rigid radical line of thinking. This is precisely why they are upset about Rick Warren.
Eisenhower disagrees: “…I voiced to him [Stimson, US Secretary of War] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the [atom] bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of such a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that movement, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’.”
I suppose he was a “crapstain” as well..
Hi! I’m an Obama supporter and I’m not upset over Warren. I also think Mccain is a warmonger partly responsible for the murder of thuosands of our troops and possibly millions of innocent Iraqis. He deserves a caricature or two. at least.
WHEW. HOW MUCH KOOL AID HAVE YOU BEEN DRINKING
So you think Obama is going to invite the Ku Klux Klan to his table?
I don’t think so.
I think this is all about not being sensitive to others’ issues. He would treat his own issues differently, I am sure.
Heafty Demo:
Oh, good grief! We ignored your last post but for this one I think George Bush has a message for you to embrace as well. He wanted us to remind you that He was the Great Uniter before Obama so give the man his due:-)
Keep hope alive, brother!
Stop the hate!
Thaat’s just it – he said that that was his role, but he ended up doing the EXACT opposite, under the direction of his Minister of Truth, Rove.
This is a chance to change the tone, the tenor of politics and the American dialogue. So far Obama delivers.
Like I said, no-one said Change would be easy – in fact I believe Obama said it would be HARD. This might be hard to swallow but it’s a step we need to take. we can’t keep looking for divisions within ourselves, we’ve gtotta find commmon ground and work from there… again, that was Obama’s message during the campaign and he’s following through with this nominaly important choice. He’s just throwing a bone.
Just because a couple blow-hards on a left-wing blog don’t get it, doesn’t mean that we all are “blowing our gasket”. Honestly, it’ll be funny to watch a man like Warren have to give his blessing to a Democratic, pro-choice, gay-rights affirming african-American president.
Jokes on him, if you ask me!
There are no examples anywhere of Barack Obama being “gay-rights affirming”.
Sorry, you’re wrong:
“I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice.”
Source: Meet the Press: 2007 “Meet the Candidates” series Nov 11, 2007
“It is my strong belief that the government has to treat all citizens equally. I come from that in part out of personal experience. When you’re a black guy named Barack Obama, you know what it’s like to be on the outside. And so my concern is continually to make sure that the rights that are conferred by the state are equal for all people.
That’s why I opposed DOMA in 2006 when I ran for the Senate. That’s why I am a strong supporter not of a weak version of civil unions, but of a strong version, in which the rights that are conferred at the federal level to persons who are part of the same sex union are compatible.
When it comes to federal rights, the over 1,100 rights that right now are not being given to same sex couples, I think that’s unacceptable, and as president of the United States, I am going to fight hard to make sure that those rights are available.”
Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
“My view is that we should try to disentangle what has historically been the issue of the word “marriage,” which has religious connotations to some people, from the civil rights that are given to couples, in terms of hospital visitation, in terms of whether or not they can transfer property or Social Security benefits and so forth. So it depends on how the bill would’ve come up. I would’ve supported and would continue to support a civil union that provides all the benefits that are available for a legally sanctioned marriage. And it is then, as I said, up to religious denominations to make a determination as to whether they want to recognize that as marriage or not.”
Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
‘SCUSE ME? NObama is not Black. He’s Caucasian and Arab! Go look at the faces of Arabs and tell me if NObama is African American/black? He’s BROWN stupid! The only thing Black about him is his scoop mouthed wife.
Rolling Thunder, my mother is lighter than obama and she has two black parents who are darker than she is, and her younger sister is even lighter than she is. Yes they are both my grandfathers because they look just like him. Obama looks like his mothers father when he was younger.
African americans come in all shades and colors. However i do not consider obama African american since he does not share our history. His father went to Harvard when my parents couldn’t even attend the same school as whites.
Gay-rights affirming? Don’t ascribe qualities to Obama that he does not have. Next you are going to tell me that Obama did NOT vote for FISA.
He opposed CA Prop. 8, helped pass ENDA and expand hate crime legislation and opposed 1996 Illinois DOMA bill. Just to name some concrete examples
Keeping clinging to the little efforts that BO took to look gay-friendly. When it’s time to stand up for what’s right, he’s not gonna be there.
Heartland Dem-
What are your sources for your statement-see below. Also-Please provide links…Thanks
“He opposed CA Prop. 8, helped pass ENDA and expand hate crime legislation and opposed 1996 Illinois DOMA bill. Just to name some concrete examples”
Heafty Dee-mo:
Let’s try this! Take o-n-e blinder off at a time. The point is Bush said he was going to unite both parties and that di!dn’t go so well. Blame Rove all you want but Obama has his own Rove we just don’t know who it is yet.
There’s no EVIDENCE that Obama has ever followed through on any promise. WAKE THE HECK UP or better yet, don’t let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha.
Stop the hate!
“Kudos for Obama for truly following the teachings of Christ”
No No No heartland Dem–he is the Messiah, didn’t you hear Farrakhan’s speech to all those fine young people? He is the Savior, he only has to follow himself.
And another thing, ’shutting people out’?? Where is his mentor for 20 years, Rev Wright or Father Pfleger, or Reverend Al Sharpton or Reverend Jesse Jackson, are they all not men of the cloth? I’m sure they could represent the first African American President, this historical event with a white evangelical, pro life anti-gay conservative millionaire preacher? You’ve got to be kidding.
Would be great to see Rev Wright on the same stage as Warren!!! Maybe he’ll jump out and say “BOO!” at the last minute. For the record, I don’t disagree with most of what Wright had to say. That whole kerfluffle was the biggest bunch of baloney during the whole campaign. People that can see through the MSM bullshit know that Obama -by proxy of Wright and the charasmatic african american pastoral tradition- was sandbagged by the same folks that called for the impeachment of Clinton, the swiftboating of Kerry and the framing of Siegleman. They are the real enemies here, and the actual voices of hate that should be shut out.
So you’re either a particularly nasty troll or batshit crazy. Take your pick
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)
100% true.
Hey dumbass-we killed more in fire-bombing than both atom bombs combined. You need to revisit your history. As for the bombings–they were justified as we were in a state od declared war and were facing potentially a hundred-thousand casualties invading the Japanese mainland. Who do we save-them or us?It was also a DECLARED WAR, unlike Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, the two Gulf Wars, and Afghanistan. Six of my uncles fought in that war so your sorry shill of an arse could post here in freedom.
The terrorism in the ME is cajoled and sanctified by the Wahabi sect, dingaling. Israel only strikes back when struck. It is quite all right in your book for terrorists to stike but not to strike them back. Are you stupid?
9/11 was an unwarranted attack, which should have led to the death of bin Laden. I am hoping one day they will get him and his terrorist minions.
As for chickens, I’d say they fled home to roost and you’re one of them.
So does everybody on this site agree that the bombings of Hiroshima nd Nagasakio were “justified”?
Just curious…
I certainly do. Do you think the fire-bombing of Dresden was justified? Do you think the fire-bombing of Tokyo was justified? I certainly do.
It is called war. If you make it all nice and gussied up, it has no deterrent affect. We haven’t had another world war since, now have we, little snip?
Would you rather be worried about real jack-booted thugs like the SS? Had we not won that war, you probably wouldn’t even be here, brainless.
Ferd, have you read the book The Rape of Nanking, or seen the movie Nanking?
Hey Heartland Ass,
My parents and most of my family were in Japanese concentration camps and tortured, beaten, or starved. The rest of my family was living under German occupation. I’m grateful the U.S. had the intestinal fortitude to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes, it was a horrible thing, bombing and war always are, but the Japs shouldn’t have engaged in war. Read some history, why don’t you?
Even if it were true, it would only be certain factions of the US government, not the whole US government.
I mean, we have our four star kooks, too, just like every other country.
exactly – and I think that was Wright’s point inhis “diatribe”. It was not so much God Damn America, but God Damn Bush’s America.God Damn Nixon’s America… he failed in his delievery, ultimately. Unfortunatly for him -as I stated – he let his hubris get the best of him and went for the jugular instead of keeping it real…
He went after HRC, forgetful one. I didn’t as I am a staunch supporter. Wright is slime-mold.
Oh for God’s sake. hearland dem…can you get off defending “God Damn America?” from that lunatic? You’re really sounding batshit crazy like Ferd says.
Taking a few sentances out of a man’s how ever many years of being an outspoken pastor and trying to bring down Obama is not right. I’ve been to church. I’ve belonged to a church. Lutheran, actually LOL. I didn’t agree with everything that was said. I didn’t get up and leave either.
“Outspoken Pastor?” Can you PLEASE go to a shrink, really? Unless this is all part of your Bot act and what you are taught to rant about at Camp Cockroach. “Agree with what was said?” I’ve been to Catholic Church, and I don’t agree with MOST of what goes on in there. But I sure as HELL don’t remember any of the Obama/Wright hatred of America in there. If I heard ONE of those filthy, INSANE, dirty, lying RANTS then I would leave. Are you so mentally ill that you don’t get saying “White people created the AIDS virus to kill black people?” is just plain sick sick sick? Exactly WHAT part of RELIGION is that nonsense? WHAT – THE – F**K is the matter with you?
Do you know who created the AIDS virus? I dont’ it;s his opinion, not mine, but it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibilty -if you substitute “white man” with “State sponsored biological warfare lab”.
Very unlikely, however. I don’t see what the big deal is. Like I said what I quoted I think tehres;’ some truth in there somewhere. As for the rest of it -there’s people with misguided or half-baked ideas all over the world, some might run your church, some might run your school, some might run the country. By making Wright out to be A> a spokesman for all of “black America” what ever that is and B. Obama’s cheif spokesman, you are transparently setting up a straw man, an easy target and a flse dichotomy.
That whole business is long over, man.. get over it.
“Get over it?” Who the HELL do you think you are psycho? I don’t HAVE to get over someone saying that white people created AIDS to kill black people. And for you to give that nonsense one ounce of credibility shows what we all think of you is true. BATSHIT CRAZY.
hearland dem…you are a traitor and should leave America. Move to Cuba. My father fought in WWII and almost died several times because he was fighting for pigs like you to have freedom. What crapstains on America you people are.
My grandparents emigrated to this country and were honest, law-abiding citizens until they and my 4 year old mother were rounded up soley based on their ethnicicty and placed in a armed camp for 4 years by the US government. I think we both earned our birthright to be here and speak our minds, no?
Sorry, I am tired of the America hating. This is the greatest country in the world and all you wing nuts do is piss on it. I really think people like you, who are such malcontents and haters, should leave. You will clearly piss on this country, and revere those who share you unpatriotic spewing of bile, for life. LOL while you sit there blogging away, with a roof over your head, and the safety and security that this country provides you. How dare you? Your family comes to this fine country and you piss on it? What do you think people who love America think of people like you? Like I said, if you’re going to piss on America all day, you might want to go live in Cuba, Venezuela, etc. until your whiny ungrateful azz learns how lucky you are. People like you are what’s wrong with this country.
You sound like somone who is not bright enough to seperate a country’s people, an it’s values and ideals from their government.
….kinda like Al Queda.
Speak away. WWII was not started by the US. That is the bottom line. We were defending our very way of life and existence against Fascism.
By the way, the maternal side of my family is Jewish and some died in that war. I have also served in the armed forces, so I think I have a bit to say here, as well, just in case you weren’t aware.
you are still on here posting crax heartless so yeah larry has more tolerance than you do. your critical thinking skills are missing a couple of spokes.
I say heartland bot just came from Chi town and a big ole crack, ciggie and booze party with the Fraud, Hot Rod and Ballet Rahm. Party on BOT.
cartoonish retort.
It’s cartoonish because you are such a caricature of an AMERICAN.
huh? I’m a caricature of a American??? I though I was un-American…
What does that even mean?
nevermind… I’m not wanting to put your mind through the mental gymnastics required to make that into a sensible comment…
“I’m not wanting to…” Enough said. Speak English much?
actually, that’s correct grammar, smart guy.
I might be new here, but I’m starting to get the picture that you’re like an abused chiauhaha tied to a tree outside this place. All the grown-ups are inside talking, vaguely annoyed by your senseless barking, but hey – you keep the strangers away!
I’ll remember to mostly ignore you in the future.
Uhhhh…It’s not great grammar fool. “I’m not wanting to…” ROFLMAO. Certain people speak that way, but not people properly educated. Please do ignore me. You’re a little hard to ignore since you spew such idiocy.
hey heartless, you are the cartoon. and your sense of history totally sucks since your basic premise is everything that middle america stands for sucks and that you are wonderful. kinda skewed little fellah.
batshit crazy gets my vote.
heartland dem…
WYF is your problem you psycho? “God Damn America?” You think Wright is okay? “Whitey created the AIDS Virus to kill the Black People?” Have you LOST your mind? Seriously. I know Bots have mental disorders, but COME ON. You’re spewing your filth about “hate” and then agreeing with someone who vomited more hate in the name of religion that anyone has in American history? GOD DAMN AMERICA? Wow…just…wow. You people really need some major mental health care. Big frigging time.
I can agree with the gist of his message and disagree about some of his language. I think a lot of his words can be left open to interpretation and that’s nto a compliment to him. I definitley don’t think he’s the most eloquent pastor, but he spoke from a place of pain that is very very real to millions of Americans, and to deny that is to stick our heads in the sand. I’m not really that interested in Wright though, however I don’t think it was really his message that was attacked anyway, it was the fact that he was a charasmatic, outspoken black man, part of a tradion that white America is not familar or comfortable with.
I meant to say black pastor, that is
heartland dem…like I said…get some mental health care. Any person who utters those words is full of hate and has NO BUSINESS preaching the word of “God” in his shithole sewer of a “church,” and certainly NO BUSINESS talking like that around children. The Fraud let his kids hear it. “Comfortable” with the hatred from that type of black person? No. No, I’m not. What exactly do you think gets solved with that hate? And, frankly, ENOUGH with the hate from the AA community. I live with it every day but now it’s over. They can’t hate us because they got their unqualified Upward Bound “President.” So maybe the hate can be retired. Interesting, again, that you blather on about “hate” but approve it from blacks. Are you black? If so, then try to lose your entitlement to your hate. We’re sick of it. Anyone who says “God Damn America” should go live elsewhere. Remember, we aren’t FORCING people to live here. If it’s such a horrible place, full of “hate” then might I suggest moving elsewhere instead of spewing filth all over America?
There was nothing in that tirade which was true. Not one single word. You can revise history, parse that pastor’s words, and spin the bs into a souffle but it will still be crap.
“God Bless America, I say GODDAMM AMERICA!!!”
What’s “left open” to interpet? Seems clear to me. That’s Wright’s version of a proverb.
Your pathetic spin attempt is simply more Obot nonsense-speak, like we hear from His Majesty on a regular basis.
There are some who will stick to his principles even if it is unpopular and majority of the populace hates him for that AND there are those who pretends to be everything to every section of the populace just to gain power.
Who has the character now.
“Kudos for Obama for truly following the teachings of Christ”
Character, heartland Dem, character.
And by the way, did any of his staff talked to Blagojevich??
Did he have any form of contact with him? Or are you guys going to spin this too?
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Obama is anti gay rights , he has to be ! he is bisexual and in the AA community he would be persona non- grata if he were ever outed. some are still on the closeta obama is there is more anti gay sentiment in the AA community than anywhere else!
I live just a few miles from Warren’s church, known as “Saddleback”. It’s got a parking lot as big as Disneyland. It’s not a church – it’s an industry in south Orange County! Such waste, what an ego he has. He and Barky are just meant for each other.
There is a special room in hell set aside for people like Andrew Sullivan.
OMG…this heartland troll is not only tedious but hugely ignorant.
Move along now. Nothing to see here but an illiterate fool hell bent on upsetting everyone.
I’m attempting to contribute to the discussion, however, I appear to be mostly a sounding board for a group of very frustrated, disturbed and mentally unstable people. I’m sure that not everyone reading this blog is so completley skewed in their world-view.
I can hear them shifting uncomfortably in their seats out there, lol.
heartland dem…the only thing you do for me personally is make me sad that America is so full of morons.
Dear Heartland Dem aka I have my head stuff up my butt so i don’t have to see the truth,
When i was about 6, VCR were just coming out. My father found a guy peddling VCR on the street and he bought one for $200 . When he got home he opened the box and what did he find. A box full of bricks. (note to everyone else this really makes my dad look stupid but he voted for obama too so i don’t care). None of us are angry what we are trying to do is tell you that you bought a box of bricks. Go and do your own research and find out what obama did not do for his constituents and ask yourself? DO i trust him? HOw is this different than what bush did? If you still do. I have to be harsh and say it means you are dumb as hell. Not because i don’t respect your choice, but because your stupid choice effects my life. Normally i would not care. You have the right to be as myopic as a woman with battered wife syndrome, and to be as obtuse as “that fool born everyday” we all hear about, but when we have a multi-trillion dollar debt and you run out and vote for someone who is just like the man who got us into this position in the first place, then you silly, little snit i have a problem. And when i see you making excuses for him, willing to subjugate what you want and need for him, “obama said change is going to to be hard” Obama has never denied himself a damn thing so why the hell should you. He has made promises so he damn well better keep them. Wake the hell up. At least have the self respect to hold him responsible. I’ve always known modern Americans are stupid, but it hurts to see it WTF! I am a black female, no one in the world wants a black man to be president more than me, but it’s got to be someone i can be proud of, not someone standing on the side of the road selling bricks for 200 dollars.
Heafty Dee-mon:
The fact that you’ve been here for hours trying to have a “discussion” with people who don’t want to have a “discussion” with you says all there is to say about your mental stability. Plus, the fact that you are just figuring it out means you’re on the low side of the IQ scale.
Hey hater, stop the hate!
How is anything I’m saying of any less value than anyone else much less your lame replies of “stop the hate”? As if that has any relevance to anything I’ve said…lol. Besides, it’s a public forum, and I’m having fun, expressing my viewpoints. Multitasking, actually. Is that not what you are doing? Are you really as disturbed by an viewpoint nott like your own as you seem?
For the record I don’t think you speak for everyone on this blog any more than I do. Are tehre really just “People” and “Trolls” here? If so that’s a really depressing pool of groupthink you’re encouraging to fester here.
Others have encouraged my input, in fact, so I would off that your repetitive jibs fall rather flat.
SO then, my question to you- Do you feel this blog is meant to be an intelligent realm of discourse, of point and counterpoint, or would you prefer it to be a mastubatory echo chamber. You can’t have it both ways, so let it be known which of these you prefer… for Johnson’s sake as well, eh?
And if it’s the former, I’d like you to outline any possible line of opposing thought other than the ernest and at least somewhat cogent discussion that I’ve contributed here. Please and thank you.
heartland dem there are somethings beyond discussion like swallowing lye is a bad thing all 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 or 366 days a year. And stupidly voting for obama is one of them, your obvious waning mental health is another. Face it you screwed our country, you bought a box of bricks and you are indignent about it. I don’t have time or patience to argue with a person who wants and needs to be scammed. Do i think majority the people in this country who actually bothered to vote are stupid? YES!!!! And since your stupidity much like the same dumb one many conservatives made when they believed bush that Osama and Sadaam would have anything to do with each other, is affecting hundreds of million of lives, and you don’t care. You don’t wanna get the fact right, you just want to do something and what do you do go and pick someone who offers you hope and change. I don’t have time to humour fools I and alot of other americans have done that for eight years and i’m done with people who don’t think. i’d rather laugh at obama than talk to his mentally ill supporters.
Heafty Dee-mo:
Still trying to have that conversation and using the “M” word. You must not only have a mental problem but a physical one as well. Good luck and I hope it happens soon, you’ll be a much more pleasent poster here.
Stop the hate!
i just viewed talk left. they are being oh so careful with maybe this and maybe that. how sad! just stand there and holler “you are a dang fraud and i am mad as hell.” nuance doesn’t do for me.
Question: Hmmmmm
Is the Heartland Dem troll really Rev
WrongWright?Pig headed wright? Is that you? I smell you and your crookedness..Are you really a paid operative of a neo-conservative think tank? paid to create dischord and confusion among democrats and progressives during the election?
No-one really knows who either of us are, do they…
heartless, what we know is as a troll you are pathetic with. revisionist history and sorry excuses for bad behavior and lies of others. you are trying to justify rev wrong shows what you are and that is a fool who thinks he is all that. what you are is a shallow troll with no understanding of americans even if you live here 90 plus years. your mind is turned inward and your ears and eyes take nothing in.
Ani, great points!
Obama’s choice of Warren juxtaposed against 20 years of Rev. Wright is one of the most utterly bizarre expressions of “judgment” I have ever seen from BO.
Underlining both choices is a Dire wolf.
It’s teeth gnashing relentlessly at the carcass and bones of what was the moral fiber of this nation. From the Holocaust comments of Warren to aids comments of Wright, BO makes crystal clear he is a bigot. Yes thats right, I said it.
A bigot.
Gay rights? BO Wright and Warren are against them. Helllooooo?!
What BO has done is never what he says. People went to the polls knowing this and voted for a Dire Wolf dressed in Democratic clothing.
You know those folks that voted for party before country and common sense? Or the ones that said “Anyone but Bush!” (and senator Clinton) Ouch!
Prop 8 will be found unconstitutional based on laws governing the amending California Constitution.
PEBO is a homophobe because he is probably on the “down low”….classic denial.
PEBO chose Warren because he is already campaigning for re-election.
In Their Infinite Wisdom, Our Founding Fathers Put Freedom Of Religion AND Freedom Of Speech In The (Bill Of Rights) Very First Amendment To the Constitution.
Our’s Is To Wonder Why???
Our’s Is To Have Robust Debate, Right Here On No Quarter!
Why?
Because Freedom Of The Press Is Also Covered In The First Amendment.
Thanks Larry For Providing The Forum.
Lest We Forget:
THE BILL OF RIGHTS:
These amendments, known as were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the “Bill of Rights.”
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
No Quarter has never disappointed me in it’s ability to foster vigorous debate with Civil Wit.
Again:
Thank You Larry!
Here’s what they have to say on Anderson Cooper. Roland Martin, what a piece of bleep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdeub37MGBc
Bamboozled. Jerks.
Here are some others to keep an eye on….
Part 2: Obama’s Conservative Meeting Guests–The Pastors
http://tinyurl.com/4bxnxs
I don’t know – what better way to sideswipe and hope for a permahide to the Larry Sinclair issue and make everyone think it just must be all a lie ?
” Oh of course the O is major anti alternate lifestyle – yes – why he can’t stomache this… (tell Larry Sinclair) ”
I am guessing and suspicious…
Then you have the strategy he is employing to completely disarm the “relieved” republicans, and I have to say the republicans are lulling to sleep and praising him like little fawning boy scouts, desperately trying to prove they aren’t like “those who abused the Presidency of Bush”. (I guess they forgot how they treated President Clinton and have decided their new tactic would somehow not be pure hypocrisy)
Maybe they are so terrified of being called a racist they decided their receding gonads needed the best excuse they could dream up – so they followed their “gracious WH commander transition lead” and have opened the lovely red carpet to O – also “proving” they aren’t a “sore loser” or so they must think. Maybe it’s the giant multi trillion dollar suction and they all need to stick together to pull it off… because it looks like none of them know really what exactly to do and of course what is even being done.(or so they say so insider trading advantage and “problems” down the road with the bailout “aren’t their fault”.)
Whatever the reason the republicans are laying down the praise so thick it makes me sick. They really are the dumbest of the dumb – just grab the cattle ring in their nose and yank them over to the O is innocent koolaid pond and they drop their heads down and start guzzling. My apologies if that’s bothersome but that’s what I’ve noticed.
So anyway the thing that really hit me was the writer’s commentary rubbing it in Andrew’s face about getting thrown under the bus – and furthermore being so stupid as to toss out Hillary who had a proven supportive track record.
I have to say I never saw anything like it before in my life when I saw how Hillary was treated by the O thuggites and their media minions. I was definitely surprised, it was a shocker and worse yet, if I tried to point it out in private conversations, I was so quickly rebuffed and shouted down and talked over, so many would hear nothing of it, they wanted to deny the possibility that it ever happened, and of course they then piled on in a similar fashion. I was quite taken aback. It wasn’t logical at all – it was pure venom.
So anyway we shall see what the O does later on, I’m not versed in this area (I have never heard specifically about his legislative actions in this area much earlier in Illinois)- and like I said my suspicion is he is trying to cover his own 1999 past – which I don’t now consider discounted and includes a probematic drug issue that because of his direct denial of that particular portion could be quite damaging.
SportPolitics | 2008-12-19 04:51:25
Interesting comment – thanks for posting.
Another name in the mix….Rev. Joseph Lowery
A backgrounder on him I wrote in June!
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/obama-hides-behind-rev-joseph-lowery-literally/
Did Rachel Maddow say anything about this?
I almost tuned in to see if she had the character to criticize Obama for Rick Warren.
But she;s starting to sound so much like Olblabbermann I couldn’t bring myself to watch.
Or did Maddow go all abused-wife with excuses: “He only hit me with an open hand.”
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