RBO: Rick Warren–Is it fauxrage?
By Uppity Woman on December 21, 2008 at 1:40 AM in Current Affairs
Tis an interesting distraction is it not?
Obama has learned more than we know from George W. Bush. Get people to look Here instead of There. And the loyal troops cooperate so well. It kind of reminds me of the rumor associated with the time when–was it Move On?–they bad mouthed Halliburton so that the stock could go low enough to bring George Soros purchasing joy. Then……silence.
Cross-posted from RBO.
Rick Warren — Is it fauxrage?
December 20, 2008 by Procrustes
A couple days ago RBO asked why Left Blogistan’s gay community is so surprised at PEBO’s choice of anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-assassination Pastor Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his coronation. WaPo’s Joe Solmonese calls it “Obama’s Inaugural Mistake.”
In reality, the stars were all aligned to foretell the future but, apparently, while awaiting the ascension, the O’Faithful, once again, missed the tell-tale signs.
Today you can still find many many blog posts expressing various degrees of outrage. Lest you are of the impression that this brouhaha has quickly blown over as quickly as most, RBO wants to update you on the latest.
Categorized under “Drip. Drip. Drip.” please note that Matt Corley at Think Progress, an arm of the Center for American Progress, which is headed by PEBO supporters, finally reported yesterday — a day after RBO did — that Warren Supports Program That Seeks To Cure Gays Of ‘Same Sex Attraction’.
RBO also wants to point out that the spotlight is being shown exclusively on Warren, which has been called out by some as a planned distraction from Rezko-Blago-Rahmbo Watch, with Warren’s role in the inauguration to eventually be withdrawn as a conciliatory move. Focusing on Warren manages to bypass the Bigger Picture — PEBO’s “fairy tale” campaign. The Big Dog called this one months and months ago. Will Left Blogistan figure it out? Ever?
Doubtful. The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan — a dyed-in-the-wool Obot — has already swung towards apologetics, writing yesterday:
I think Obama is different. I think the earnestness and sincerity of his campaign, and its generational force, have given us a chance for something new, and I fear that in responding too viscerally to the Warren choice, we may be throwing something very valuable away far too prematurely. There is no question that gays and lesbians have made enormous strides in explaining who we are in the last couple of decades. There is equally no question that Obama has substantively committed his administration to more gay inclusion and gay equality than any president in history. We absolutely do need to be vigilant on this. But we should also understand Obama’s attempt to bridge some gaps in America that the Clintons, with their boomer baggage and Dick Morris cynicism, couldn’t and didn’t. This is what matters. Do gays and lesbians want to be a part of this – or sit fuming on the sidelines at symbolic slights?
I know the arguments against this, and if Obama delivers nothing on gay equality, the critics will have every reason to complain loudly, as they should. But I’m not going there yet.
But Pejman Yousefzadeh responds to Sullivan at RedState:
… comes now Andrew Sullivan to offer excuses for Obama and to try to convince his readers–and perhaps himself–that indeed, this really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
Anything to avoid criticizing The One on a major issue, I suppose. Of course, as I have stated before, Sullivan will eventually turn on Obama, just as he turned on Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
He’s just not ready yet. This is still the “denial” phase.
Also see:
- John Aravosis, Rick Warren explicitly bans “unrepentant” gays from membership in his church, AMERICAblog, December 19, 2008.
- Todd Beeton, So Much For Tolerance, Respect And Inclusion, I Guess, MyDD, December 19, 2008.
- Glenn Greenwald, Opinion: How new is Obama’s New Politics? Salon, December 19, 2008.
- Pam Spaulding, Is a Warren uninvite really impossible to contemplate?, Pam’s House Blend, December 20, 2008.
Is all this fauxrage or will the disenchantment last longer this time than a sippy cup full of Kool Aid? You be the judge.
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I wonder how many weenies will descend on DC to hear the evangelic usher in this new era of change we can believe in?
rest assured whatever the real number, they’ll lie about it and shoot pictures to make it look like more than it is.
You’ve got that one right.
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I’m not sure to what this statement is referring. Can someone please explain.
Bill Clinton, aka Big Dog, called Obama’s campaign a “fairy tale” during the early primaries. He obviously knew how little real work Obama had done to even dream about making a run. Someone in Obama’s campaign called the remark racist.
PRESIDENT CLINTON DID NOT CALL BO’S CAMPAIGN A FAIRY TALE; THIS WAS BO CAMPAIGN SPIN. He called BO’s claims that he was always against the war with Iraq a fairy tale.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18106281
Thanks, I knew it was something like that. He could have called the whole campaign a fairy tale and it would have been correct, and not racist.
Before this is all over, the O people are going to WISH this were all a fairy tale. Because, I’m afraid, what we’ve got shaping up here is a Shakespearian tragedy. (Okay, it IS funny in parts, but even the tragedies have their clowns.)
That’s right, jbjd. Bill was calling O’s statements, “a fairy tale”. The O race-baiting spin team headed up by Jesse Jr did the rest of the dirty deed. SC Rep. James Clyburn and Donna Brazile flew into action, grabbing the first microphones they could find and filled the airways with their condescending outrage about Bill’s statements.
This was the beginning of the Clintons being called *racist* – that’s right – *racist*. It was full-speed ahead with this dispicable Axelrod strategy he had used in Duval Patrick’s campaign as well.
Now, JJJr thinks he deserves O’s US Senate Seat because of his “hard” work in getting O elected. We also heard jr’s condescending outrage last week that he has done nothing wrong. Later his own brother admitted to raising a $M for the Illinois governor. What goes around, comes around, folks! Halleluiah! And Merry Christmas to all!
I believe it was Donna Brazile who said that “as an African American” she was offended by the fairytale remark, thus somehow twisting the word fairytale into a racist word. Surely you remember NEUTRAL Donna Brazile who, apparently, as a woman was not offended by the Hillary nutcrackers or Bros Before Hos t-shirts.
There was nothing ‘off-limits’ for Donna Brazile where the Clintons were concerned. She is AA all the way. She couldn’t care less about the ‘woman’ part. I notice she is STILL a pundit on ABC’s “This Week” who begins every thought with “Look”….. As soon as I see her face I turn it to something else. When is ABC going to learn this is a very disliked woman, to put it nicely.
May they live in interesting times.
Someone on one of the blogs today suggested that this Warren outrage is a distraction from whatever it is that camp Obama doesn’t want us to concentrate on.
Also Obama is a past master at chaos — and the magical redirect.
With Obama we need to be vigilant — he is a con man.
We know that this birth certificate issue could reach a larger audience — no real document experts have looked at a copy of his 1961 Vault document. There may be many reasons for this — perhaps his birth name is different — whatever. But the amount of resistance to show proof of citizenship is telling. Stupid congress critters — like WA state Inslee seem to be happy with the fraud factcheck.org (which is closely tied to the Annenburg foundation — thus making their claim of seeing copy of the abstract questionable.
Other issues — Gov. Blago — no mention in the Obama media about the very very close ties between Blago and 0bombo.
Another major issue — 0bombo is a sexist pig — and his record will be equal to or worse than bush’s. Women have real life and death issues — and bad Presidents can make life harder for millions of women ALL OVER THE WORLD.
There is a huge list of “what is he trying to distract our attention from”?????
I personally could care less who prays over 0bombo — this should be a side issue. Which is why I’m agreeing with the assessment that Warren was chosen to distract.
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Northwest Rain,
I agree
Don’t freak out if the President Elect pulls out some new magic tricks from the hat with the COLB on his present 2 week vacation in Hawaii.
Most definitely the choice of Warren for invocation is a distraction. Is it to distract from blagojevich or is it something coming up? Maybe it is just Obie’s sick pleasure at causing others pain. That’s what narcissists love to do! Unless of course there is another scandal about to break. I think there will always be a scandal waiting in the wings with Obie. I knew this from very early on. It saddens me that his voters just could not or is it would not see what was so blatantly obvious! They deserve whatever pain he doles out, but I don’t. I tried to stop it as best I could. No one listened. Either they were kool aid drunk, or just had to get the D.
Actually that’s what sociopaths like Obama enjoy doing, manipulate and inflict pain on others.
Actually, because O thinks Rick Warren is a devout Christian, he hoped to convince people that he is devout as well, since that seems to be a good thing “politically”. It is laughable to hear him continually mess up in these efforts. During the campaign to convince voters of his Chritianity he said, “I pray to Jesus once a day”. Not understanding that many Christians “pray without ceasing” or are in a continual conversation with God or Jesus all during the day, I think he nievely was trying to prove he isn’t Muslim since they pray five times a day, often in groups at appointed times. With an athiest mother and a Muslim father, this is much harder for him to fake than it would be for most of us since he isn’t familiar with the Christian lingo.
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Distraction, definitely. I don’t even get what any of this is about. Obama & Biden both stated they were against gay marriage, so why is this one issue about this guy Warren getting all the talk. Does anyone remember the rev/pastor/ministers who gave any of the previous i
nvocationsprayers? Or remember what they said? Who cares? There are way more interesting, dirty dealings of barky & his crowd that need to be given the same kind of public outrage that this issue gets.Also…isn’t it delightfully hypocritical of all the pols to call the prayer an “invocation” iinstead?
What i find entertaining is how everyone is all pissed at Warren, who while he may said a great manythings that may have hurt a few feelings, and when he goes on tv he is crucified. But Bill Ayers is cool, chris matthews even prounced him rehabilitated even though he’s never seen the inside of a jail. Please explain the logic.
true; i certainly don’t agree with warren on many things, but it is telling that the left is more opposed to him than they are to bill ayres.
While it has been a distration from the Blago scandal, I don’t think it was an intentional distraction. Obama has shown his true colors for over a year, but his supporters just never paid attention. I blogged about this in February! http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-i-am-not-joining-love-in-for-obama.html
His SC roadshow bothered me then, and continues to bother me.
Obama, in my opinion, just used Wright’s church to further his agenda. Watching his debates with Alan Keyes, he doesn’t seem to have a clue, as someone who is truly religious. I think he is a homophobe, and conservative, with radical ideas.
Someone a few months ago on here said something like, *he is everything to everyone, and nothing to anyone* or something like that. It fit him to a T.
With all the pastors, in all the country, he picks ones like Wright, Phleger, McClurkin and Warren? Aren’t they all bigots?
Bottom line, they voted for him, now they have to suck it. They voted for a guy who thinks they are second class citizens. Even Rachel Maddow is in a tizzy. *yawn*
“he is everything to everyone, and nothing to anyone”
Obama once said that people project their wishes onto him. Just like Chauncey Gardner in “Being There” only Chauncey didn’t invite this kind of treatment, it just happened. Obama, in comparison, pretends to be part of whichever group he is courting at the moment. There is no way to know if he stands for anything besides furthering his own ambition.
As for Obama being a bigot, I would guess that it is more that he is just centered on himself and creating his own identity and mythology. Everything else is only important to the extent it furthers this mission. It’s not that he hates people, he just doesn’t really care except to the extent that he perceives a personal benefit. The problem is that he has never been made to pay a price for this kind of behavior. If he keeps getting away with this it will only get worse. His supporters need to start holding his feet to the fire.
The media keeps treating the choice of Warren as if it were politically smart. When have they ever thought that a Republican dissing his base was a smart move? Obama isn’t a political genius, he is just given a pass whenever he screws up, which is often and sometimes really big. (Like going to a guy who is under federal investigation to get help buying a mansion. It doesn’t get dumber than that.)
Obama isn’t a political genius
Agreed – I think inviting Warren to give the Invocation is a big mistake politically.
i think wright and gang are stepping stones for obama. and wright knows this now. as for his real leanings, i think obama doesn’t have a clue. he is whatever he needs to be for that moment. he has no soul.
With all the pastors, in all the country, he picks ones like Wright, Phleger, McClurkin and Warren?
That’s the million dollar question! Why doesn’t Obama know any Christian preachers who, y’know, preach the gospel of Jesus?
Sara,
You are exactly right. I also thought he was a conservative from the beginning — all this leftie nonsense he was spewing to win to that wing of the party is nonsense to him. And homophobe and misogynist — yes and yes.
And if he really cared so much about bringing the troops home, don’t you think he would have taken time out of his ‘busy schedule’ at the gym to have a meeting on NATO/Afghanistan and his European subcommittee. His excuse was “he was campaigning” — multitask much???
And the press bought this b.s., too.
That was a disgraceful answer. People are dying overseas. He’s campaigning? Gee, guess he really loves our troops, huh? Gee, guess he reaaalllyy wants to find a solution…
He could care less. It’s all rhetoric, smoke and mirrors, as you pointed out.
He was also too busy to both with a Gay Pride event in his home town, when asked. He decided to get a haircut instead, I believe.
How could his supporters not be disappointed and/or disgusted by this behavior; at least enough to question it?
Isn’t this the same old Alinski tactics Obama has used all along? The Agitater, divide and conquer. Then declare himself the Uniter.
Exactly!
It’s also called the chaos management style.
Obama will be stirring up controversy and discord for as long as people allow him this much power over their lives.
He’s a passive aggressive – sadistic bastard.
Yeah, poor bastard, chaos and controversy is all he knows and all he has ever known. Just look at the mentors and his religious instructers he has had in his life. Warren is the tamest of them all. LOL!
I don’t believe that BO “wants” chaos, and I don’t think it’s a tactic he using. IMO, he doesn’t stand for ANYthing, so he just wants to throw crumbs to every group in an attempt to get them to support him or not fight him too hard.
Anger and complaints (perhaps what some seem as “chaos”) will invariably result. But I don’t think it’s his intention. I just think he doesn’t care. If he truly stood for something, he wouldn’t throw everybody crumbs – he’d have principles and stick by them.
I think he’s just campaigning already for 2012. He doesn’t have principles, he’s not into being a visionary – he just plays one on TV.
Well put.
I think people have picked up the term “Alinsky tactics” and toss it around, but don’t really know what it means. I don’t prefer his tactics, as they’re too “in your face” for my taste, but they’re NOT about “divide and conquer”.
Lots of poor and powerless people live their lives in misery, never speaking up or doing anything to change their fate. They feel isolated and disempowered.
Alinksy spearheaded “conflict organizing”, which is the traditional form of community organizing. He helped the people understand that they don’t have to live in misery, that they have rights, and that if they form a group with each other, they have more power than being alone.
They would then use this community power to fight for better schools, to keep a waste dump from being put in their neighborhood, to get better wages, etc. He brought those people together, he most definitely didn’t “divide” them, or seek to “conquer” anyone.
The criticisms in the field of the Alinsky method is that he frames things in the traditional way, that of “us vs. them” – meaning the little people vs. the big people. The result is that gains that were won caused further animosity between the haves and have-nots – bridges are burned, further “collaboration” is not likely.
There are more peaceful, collaborative ways to organize communities so that they can have ongoing negotiations between the community and the powers that be in that same community, so that future issues can be worked on collaboratively.
So, Alinksy is not about “divide and conquer” (although I realize that’s what’s commonly said lately by people who haven’t studied community organizing). Alinsky meant well, but many people, myself included, feel his methods aren’t best. I think of his methods as “wining a battle, but losing the war”.
When you use his method, you may win, but it’s a short-term, uni-faceted win. Sort of like the mortgage loans they won for lower-income residents. They forced their agenda and “won”, but now down the road those people are losing their homes. It was a good idea to want more people to be homeowners, but you still have to take basic facts into account – such as, can they afford it! So these tactics were only a short-term win.
So, there are pros and cons to the Alinsky method, but it’s NOT about divide and conquer. It IS about fostering an “us against them” mentality, in order to get poor people to feel empowered and try to do something for THEMSELVES, instead of complaining that no one ever HELPS them.
A more collaborative form of community organizing would have helped some poor people get homes, but only those who could afford the terms. So the Alinsky method got a lot of people short-term “wins”, but a different method would get fewer people wins, but they’d be lasting, REAL wins.
In short, Alinsky tactics aren’t something “evil”. It’s a way to empower the poor to fight for themselves. I don’t feel it’s the best way to organize people, but I thought I should point out that it’s really misunderstood on the blogs.
Thank you Barr for taking the time to explain a little more about Alinsky and his methods.
If you read further down into RBO’s post it’s pointed out that some progressive bloggers are already making excuses for Obama. Obama is doing this so he can publicly state his support for gays? How Orwellian is that?
That’s like inviting the Grand Wizard of the KKK to show that you’re for Civil Rights. It makes no sense.
Don’t worry, all of the Kewl Kidz will find numerous excuses for Obama’s behavior as they did with his FISA vote. I’ll never forget that the theme was Obama voted for FISA so he could later amend or get rid of it.
Or, as some have suggested, Obama will uninvite Warren at the last minute so his followers can cheer that they changed his mind. Therefore Warren was the perfect red herring.
BTW how are Gov Blago and Rahmn the Man doing?
Let us go back to Gov Blagojevich and the Chicago political machine’s dirty politics. How far involved is Mr. Rahm Emmanuel? Isn’t he one of those who talked to the Gov Blagojevich? Didn’t Pres Elect said that no one in his staff contacted the Gov about the replacement for the Senate position vacated by Pres elect?
We are not going to let this story die, are we?
Well, Obama hopes we let it die.
I’m telling you to pay very close attention with Odrama. Whenever a controversy breaks, look at what he is trying to draw attention away from. That is the bigger story.
Why does this guy get a free pass?????? That makes me crazy!
What is coming up is tomorrow, the 22nd, is the date BO said he would be ‘allowed’ by Fitz to release the internal review he claims he conducted re his staff contacts in re the Blag issues.
This program would perhaps be something like “The Ludovico Technique” used to “cure” Alex of his antisocial tendencies in A Clockwork Orange.
Charming.
For all the blather from fundamentalist pastors about “junk science”, for them to come up with their very own takes tha cake. “Cure gays”, indeed. Bah.
the only good thing i see about this whole media sellout is that we now have a clear picture of who to listen to and who to ignore. the more we ignore the less money they make. i have been reading that murdock will indeed get the ny times. the gray lady must be weeping. the family that owned it allowed some fool in the family to run it into the ground. first they were faux conservatives and now they are faux liberals. hell they haven’t had real liberals since the days of nixon. those were their glory days, no more sad to say.
I have been reading that murdock will indeed get the ny times.
!!!!!! Is this for real????
for me, i think onothing is being used by warren, who is actually just another con man / salesman-he is letting this creep speak, why? why is it pols think they need to pander to the 25%, what are they so afraid of? no one appeals to my needs. If pols keep pandering to these people won’t they then believe they can pursue more of their hyper religious beliefs (think prop 8.) these acts of pandering only enable the worst behavior.
it is all predictable, o will create a monster out of warren and warren will do something to embarrass the prez elect. the script has been written before. i don’t vote for these people so for the life of me i do not understand how so many can be so naive to believe what the elite few always sell them. i vote strictly 3rd party – we’ll never get any where if we keep electing the same class of insiders.
This is going to be another 4 years of Bush. So damn much crap going on that you can’t keep up with it while our constitution has been ripped to shreds. Bush et al won’t even get a reprimand from the press for what amounts to encouraging torture, consolidation of power, and raiding of the treasury with the help of a lazy ass congress.
Much easier to fuss about Warren, Blago (for politics as usual), and Caroline Kennedy to the extent that everything else is ignored.
Obama is trying to prove that he is “including everyone”, but what he is really saying as FU, I am the president now.
What makes an ally? A conmmon enemy and in this case it is the LGBT community. Obama and Warren have set aside the issue of abortion to mount forces against Gays For LGBT’s to beleive either man is their friend is a false sense of security. Kinda like the highjackers of 9/11. The passengers on the plane thought that if they were quiet and obeyed everything would be alright.
I don’t understand all the “flap” about this preacher.If Obama had chosen a preacher that was very much FOR Gay marriage, would it have made sense for everyone against it to have carried on about it? What in the world difference does it make? This Reverend Warren is going to say a prayer at the opening of the Inaugural proceedings and the other preacher, a PRO Gay marriage preacher will pronounce the Benediction. Sounds fair to me. Or they could maybe reverse the order and let the PRO go first and the AGAINST go last. Would that be more fair? Nobody remembers the preachers from previous Inaugurations or what they said in their prayers, and what the current ones say will not change anybody’s opinion of Gay marriage and what they say will not be remembered. The whole uproar is very senseless imho.
He choose a preacher who delibereately advocates against gay rights, the LGTB community a mainstay of Obama support — sort of.
It was a betrayal.
Why was it a betrayal? Obama has said over and over that he is for complete Gay civil rights. He just thinks that marriage should be between a man and a woman. He has not betrayed anyone. He has said from the beginning where he stands.
Why was it a betrayal?
Warren apparently advocates for religious fundamentalism. Not exactly the type of national spiritual leader that people were expecting at Barack Obama’s Inauguration.
You can’t be FOR gay rights, and AGAINST the right of marriage between two loving people of the same sex.
They are NOT mutually exclusive!
This is Obama pandering to the majority of African-Americans who believe as you do….that gays seeking rights can’t be compared to the Civil Rights movement for AAs. That marriage between two people of the same sex isn’t a “civil right”. Pffft!
That’s what all this is about. He doesn’t give one whit for gay rights!!! Period!!!
That’s okay. Not all of us were bamboozled into voting for his stupid ass, anyways.
I agree. And I am STILL fuming at the AAs here in CA for that Prop 8 nonsense. Just goes to show…they whine about their rights and HAVE to have Fraudbama because they think he’s “black.” But, GOD FORBID, they respect and honor the civil rights of others and vote No on Prop 8. What a bunch of hypocrites. I was happy at the beginning that for once the AAs would STFU and appreciate that they got their AA “President.” Now I am pissed as hell and can’t WAIT for the first AA “President” to flop. Maybe the karma of that will remind them that they should respect the rights of others when they come out to vote for their own self righteous crap. I guess since they will be paying their mortgages and bills it’s a big FU already from the Fraud.
Yes, you can be for gay civil rights and against gay marriage. I am 100% for gay rights and my brother-in-law is gay and I love him very much, but I still think that marriage should be for one man and one woman.
It is also a betrayal of women for Warren to compare abortion to the Holocaust.
The inference Warren is making is that a woman exercising her right to choose is a Nazi “exterminating” a fetus.
That is disgraceful on his part.
GLBT are not the only people being thrown under the bus by this man. Women went under the bus six months ago — and Warren is another nail in that coffin.
complete Gay civil rights.
Except for Gay people to marry and have the states recognize that union as legally binding.
THAT IS NOT COMPLETE Smitty. Regardless of how I feel or believe or think, what do I care if same sex couples want the ups and down of matrimony?
I mean really Smitty. What part of the BO lie did you miss?
Congress shall make no law… “it’s a state rights issue”… Which is it?
Any religious leader that he chose would have had an opinion about Gay marriage, abortion etc. and someone would have been against any view that he or she had. That is why I think that this big discussion about a particular view of whatever preacher he chose is senseless. No minister is going to have exactly the opinion that everyone in this country will agree with. Therefore, let the President-to-be choose the one that he wants to call upon God to bless our country and guide us through these hard times and quit all this dissention. The fundamentalists have just as much right to have a person who agrees with their opinions as the Gay community has to have theirs. He did the best he could by having a representative of both.
He’ll never be MY President!
Forgot to add:
Go somewhere else to cheerlead for Fraudbama. No one here wants to here that stupid shit!!!
How do you know what stupid shxx everybody here wants to hear? You go somewhere else.
How do you know what everybody here wants to hear and whether or not they think it is stupid sh**? You have a lot of nerve thinking you can speak for everyone here. You go somewhere else.
To me this is what is wrong with this picture. Obama has an anti-gay pastor and a pro-gay pastor. Again trying to be all things to all people and failing to take a stand. But that’s Obama’s political MO. Anyone else doing this would be seen as wishy-washy and weak. In Obama’s case we’re being told let him do what he wants.
What happens when Obama confronts a situation when you can’t be all inclusive and you have to choose a side?
MLK chose a side, Gandhi chose a side, Lincoln chose a side. Obama has been compared to all of these people. But the difference is they had the courage of their convictions and were willing to pay the price for their views.
To quote the sisters from Charmed – “You have to choose a side. That’s just the way it is.”
Obama did take a stand. He said he is for Gay civil rights, but thinks marriage should be between one man and one woman. He has said it many times.
Then that’s playing both ends against the middle. Is is for full marriage rights for gays or not? Hillary is and is unequivocal about it.
You know who has said the same thing you just said Obama said? Many Republicans and moderates.
How droll. No Obama should be for full marriage rights for gays if he stands where he says he does. If Obama is for civil rights for gays then where’s his public objection to the passage of Prop 8?
that’s “is he”
Yes but he hasn’t taken a stand. Is Obama only for civil marriage? Well then so was John McCain. So how is Obama more liberal than Hillary who is for full marriage rights for gays?
I can’t believe you. Obama supporters screamed during the entire campaign that Obama was to the left of Hillary. Yet when it comes to gay rights, womens’ rights, and helping poor blacks (see Chicago public housing) both Bill and Hillary did it for decades even when it wasn’t popular or safe. When did Obama put his ass on the line? Never. It’s now come out that he became bored with the community organizer job and quit. The media knew this before but spent more time in Wasilla than they did in Chicago.
An editor admitted on Morning Joe that he supported Obama based on “his gut”. All the reporters on the panel seemed puzzled as to why they should go to Chicago to vet Obama.
You have the same mentality. The same folks that made excuses for Bush will be the same Dempublicans that will makes excuses for Obama. And drag in Lewinsky when all else fails.
anti-gay pastor ???
pro-gay pastor??
Wright is anti, so is Warren…
Happy Holiday Candymarl, to you and yours.
I was taking the word of the poster that one of the speakers was was PRO-GAY, as they said. My bad.
From his antiwoman attitudes I would suspect that Obama is a closet gay. He has to distract people from noticing anything unmasculine about his behavior. Choosing this lovely bigot reverend makes a great distraction.
I think that since Obama has been elected, he thinks that he can be all things to all people. He has been able to avoid being painted one way or the other, because he really doesn’t take a stand on issues. Remember the 64 present votes in the as a state legislator for Illinois? Obama, has to make decisions now, and this one, i.e, Warren, has pissed off the LGTB community, and rightly so. BTW, since I avoid listening to the news, I rarely hear any of he garbage the news networks try to shovel out, but my husband likes to listen, so tonight I had to hear, according to George Stephanopulus, how Rahm Emanual’s one convesation with Blogavich had nothing to do with Obama. One conversation!!! I thought the other day, on NQ, it was established that Rahm Emanual had been taped talking to Blo 21 times. Has this been verified, and if so, why is someone, like Stephanopulus allowed to say on natinal TV that there was only one conversation? Does anyone know what proof there is of 21 conversations?
Just google his name and you get the truth. Maybe they are thinking of erasing some of the stuff.
While surfing for info I found this interesting article about Blagojevich and Rahm Emanual.
Unless the whole Democratic party is filthy dirty and has some help from other people in the federal government I have a feeling that Obama is going to have a lot of scandals, if not an impeachment.
opps forgot to put in the link
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/20/politics/main4679945.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_4679945
KintheNorthwest…
Thanks for that article…look at those two together. I’m sorry, but they REALLY look like two serial killers standing next to each other. God help us that they all end up with long prison sentences.
Hot Rod is a nut. I was watching him today in a special that Greta did and…wow…he’s just plain bizarre and psycho. I have a feeling the best part of this is that he will be singing like a CANARY when it’s time for his jail sentence. To keep his sentence lower, and to keep the wifey from being indicted to, I bet he lets loose on everyone from the Fraud down. One of the things that gets me through the day is believing that Patrick Fitzgerald really WILL do the right thing and get the dirt on the Fraud when it’s time to sentence Rezko, Hot Rod and the rest of the falling dominoes in the Chicago Toilet. What a bunch of crooks and freaks.
I remember that Fitz stopped at Scooter Libby, and this makes me wonder if he might stop with Blago.
Yeah I know. But he DID get Scooter. If he stops at Hot Rod, it will have to be pretty quiet. Hot Rod will blather like a fool and then Fitzie has to do what? Sit on the information? Guess that means people have to do their best to expose it so Fitzie is stuck doing his job.
I look for O to “reward” Fitz by promoting him immediately to a high prestige do-nothing job to keep him from doing any more damage. O’Fraud, I hope you’re right, and I’m wrong.
I am sure you are thinking this through more logically than I am Oowawa. I just keep hoping there is ONE decent, honest person involved in this nightmare who will save the day and take them all down, including the Fraud.
PS. Is there any reason this is all connected to them moving the Rezko sentencing back two or three times?
Thanks for sharing.
I think Obama is just courting all the different factions. There was also a pro gay pastor there as well. He is trying to appeal to different people and be a ‘jack of all trades’!
Any queer out there who thinks it is possible for a dis-invite of Warren is so high on Obamaglue they’re going to need a brain replacement as well as a face implant to “save face” which will be impossible because – EVERYBODY NOW in unison -
WE TOLD YOU SO!