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By SusanUnPC on January 3, 2009 at 2:35 AM in Current Affairs

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“Open Thread”? Who the heck is up at this crazy hour?!?
^ I’m your huckleberry.
I concede to the real night owl.
Blago is innocent. He tried to scare off all the political manipulators by demanding a large sum of money. His plan is a win either way. If everybody backs off, he gets to choose the replacement for Barack Obama, which is what he wanted all along anyways.
If Blago ends up receiving a large sum of money, he was going to turn it over to the FBI and out the bribers.
Can anyone disprove the above scenarios beyond a shadow of a doubt? This whole case was a set up to divert attention away from other pressing issues, including the concept of natural born citizen versus just being a citizen.
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Unfortunately, some people just have to invoke this race issue into the picture. How about Illinois approach it from the legal standpoint as to whether Burris can be seated or not?
Unfortunately some people just “have to invoke this race issue” like Obama did during the primaries. If it’s a good enough “issue” for the Messiah to use, it is good enough for anyone else to use. Or is Obama the only one allowed to use race as a political issue?
Yes, you are right ritamary. Race seems to be the new fashionable sympathy crutch-shield. Odumdum certainly does not have sole claim on its use. This new crutch-shield can be wielded to fend off any attack and may be conveniently used at any time. Bots did.
Blago is still governor of Illinois, and has the right to appoint; Burris is the governor’s choice, and must be seated.
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Patrick Fitzgerald has clearly overplayed his hand.
Harry and the Senate Dems. should just back off.
Barack should just shut up and quit making noises like an a-hole.
He can’t help it — he is a narcissist — and a assh*le.
That’s what happens when a white man is behind a black mask.
He has zero sense of humor — narcissists lack the humor gene as well as the empathy gene.
I think you lack the shut-the-fuck-up gene.
No sir, that would be you.
ubm suffers from the fascist and bros-b4-hos genes.
I see that the sexist pig troll is showing his face again.
Could it be that you, like your messiah have no sense of humor (we KNOW you have no empathy).
Is that “Palin is a c*nt” t-shirt you wear, alternating with “Bros before Hos” — still holding up? We know you wear them to keep your faux macho image intact.
Where’s your sense of humor?
Or do you think calling the President-elect of the United States an “assh*le” is the height of wit?
How about you put away childish things and let the rest of America move forward into a very challenging future?
All Presidents have had invective thrown at them. Bill and Hillary were called murderers.
I’d say that’s much worse and they survived.
This is national politics. Obama and company need to suck it up.
Then Northwest rain needs to suck it up as well.
I’m done with you on this topic. You’re more dense than a 10 year old fruit cake.
I am sure that UBM said nothing but wonderful things about shrub … ya think? I guess since we got ourselves an historic president masquerading as an AA, we are no longer permitted to voice a disparaging word. To which I can only respond … tee hee.
I have never referred to any United States President as an asshole. I have always respected the office.
LMAO
pebo has the fraud gene.
I’d say it was calling a spade a spade.
Aren’t I nice. Now you get a chance to contort yourself over why saying that clearly identifying a card as one suit rather than another (clubs, which is an important distinction in many games other than troll ones)is a racist tactic.
BTW, Bush has been called an a**hole or something equally dismissive daily for 8 years. So were Clinton, Bush I, Ford, Carter, Nixon, LBJ — hey, where have you been with your faux outrage? It was calling a spade a spade then, but it was ok because they were white, or Republican?
Undercover Black Man:
I didn’t say Barack WAS an A-hole,
I said: “Barack should just shut up and quit making noises like an A–hole.”
Subtle difference.
Harry is on Tape Telling Blago not to appoint a black man.
Harry is posting “Armed Guards” at the Senate door Tuesday to Bar the ONLY African American “appointed” to the Senate since Reconstruction.
Can you SPELL RACIST!!!
Have you checked out the Chicago Sun Times Today:
Reid pressured Blagojevich not to appoint Jackson Jr. to Obama’s U.S. Senate seat
Days before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn’t want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.
Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.
Sources say Senate majority Harry Reid (left) leader pushed against Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (center), and suggested Gov. Rod Blagojevich appoint state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth (right).
(AP)
Sources say the Senate majority leader pushed against Jackson and Davis — both democratic congressmen from Illinois — and against Jones — the Illinois Senate president who is the political godfather of President-elect Barack Obama — because he did not believe the three men were electable. He feared losing the seat to a Republican in a future election.
Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero confirmed that Reid (D-Nev.) and U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) — the new chief of the Senate Democratic political operation — each called Blagojevich’s campaign office separately Dec. 3. Sources believe that at least portions of the phone conversations are on tape.
Before their contacts, Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel called Blagojevich to tell him to expect to hear from Senate leadership because they were pushing against Jackson and others, according to statements the governor made to others.
The Reid-Menendez calls came a day before a Dec. 4 conversation overheard on government wiretaps where Blagojevich says he “was getting ‘a lot of pressure’ not to appoint Candidate 5.” Candidate 5 is Jackson.
The calls reveal the varying forces directed at Blagojevich as he weighed the appointment.
We have a right to demand that Patrick Fitzgerald release ALL the tapes to the press.
The Black Caucus should DEMAND that “Harry the Racist” should resign his senate seat.
If Obama is a smart as they pretend,
He will keep his mouth shut.
I was not addressing you, my logorrheic friend. I was addressing Northwest rain.
UBC
You talking to me?
You talking to me?
You must be talking to me!
I’m the only one here.
It was fine to call Bush “a$#hole” but not Obama? If Obama can’t take the heat he should get out of the kitchen.
Talk about “can’t take the heat”… weren’t you one of the ladies who wanted to file a human rights complaint with the U.N. because of Obama’s shoulder-brushoff gesture?
And who among NQ’s kindle of kittens told Hillary to just “suck it up”… to take the heat or get out of the kitchen?
Obama took all the heat you sugar-addled adolescents could dish out, and then some. It blows my mind that, two months after the election, Northwest rain would be up in here popping the same tired, worthless personal insults.
ubm, sugar coated? naw! we have taken insults, put downs, and rap moves that insult women. can that crap!
If you can’t stand the heat, don’t play with matches.
put a sock in it! you can’t stand the heat so you use sarcasm and by the way not that well though you claim to be an expert in writing.
rap moves that insult women IS NOT ACCEPTABLE PERIOD PARAGRAPH! DEAL WITH THAT.
Thanks, lady. You prove my point… demanding the strictest standard of civility for others, whilst exercising none your-damn-self.
ubm, you don’t always show civility on here when you bring up obama’s rap moves. shame on you! i don’t prove any point of yours as you have not really made any your damn self.
If you can’t stand the heat, don’t play with matches??
Who’s playing with matches? I just don’t think it’s appropriate for a presidential candidate to use gang gestures no matter who his adolescent insults are aimed at….it’s not presidential.
How old are you, 70? The shoulder-brushoff went from a rap gesture to a gang gesture just that fast, didn’t it? (What next? Tribal?)
the question is how old are you? not old enough to hold a civil discussion seems to be the answer.
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ubm, Obama should return the MI delegates he stole from HRC.Oh come on…revisionist history to make a point?
It was Obama who FLIPPED OFF Hillary within a Presidential campaign. Which was done because HE COULDN’T handle the heat in a political debate. Geez.
Now you try to flip the switch to state that ritamary couldn’t take the heat? Simply for pointing out the hypocracy?
LOL
Try again…
And just to be clear Obama didn’t take any real heat. He played the race card. His followers whined for him. Then he ran off and hid. Letting the MSM and others fight for him, so he could pretend to be upbove it all.
Praising O’spineless as taking the heat….LOL. That is a good one UBM…LOL.
UBM, was that necessary?
Likely not. Which is why I shouldn’t read blogs at 3:30 in the morning.
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And see how all this will make Tuesday a very interesting day in the Senate
When will anyone call a black man and their actions racist? When will a black man ever get charge with a hate crime? The only one using race and acting racist in this case is the black communinity and black politicians. I am “F”ing sick of it! I guess I am the racist now? LOL
Blagojevich is a master politician, with the stroke of his pen he has tied the president elect and the Dem leadership in a knot putting them at odds with the AA community.
That Obama and Reid allowed themselves to be outflanked so easily speaks ill of how poorly they will be running the show these next four years.
Exactly…’to be outflanked so easily’.
“outflanked so easily”
ditto
I fear for this country. If Obama can’t even trump someone in his own political party, how the hell is he gonna be able to do it with international thugs?
The Dems are looking like real idiots! I’m so glad I ceded my membership to become an Independent.
But don’t worry we all can have yet another big party on Jan 20th for his coronation.
Where is my post racial? What happened to hopey changey? I want my country back.
I was afraid of this sort of thing. Because BO is really of mixed ethnicity and not at all entitled to any claim on our African AMERICAN heritage, this sort on conflict was predictable. He, as Chomsky points out, is a brand of celebrity that has been packaged and sold, as being a black savior.
His skin is dark (but there are many of us with Mediterranean heritage who have skin as dark or darker who are considered to be white), but he was raised and educated by whites. He has learned a role, but it really is only skin deep. Powerful whites have chosen him to be the leader of the Democratic Party, because he can be manipulated, and because he can be used to placate a portion of our population. The people who have been sold the biggest fraud and who will be betrayed the most by the choice of BO are blacks.
This immediate conflict over Burris is complicated, but the general reality is that racism is alive and well in this country. Only now racism is clearly complicated by overt black on white racism, as well as the historic white on black racism. No, BO represents more problems for this country on the question of racism, not fewer.
He has learned the part of playing a black man, but I don’t for one second believe he cares a tinker’s damn for anyone, but himself. We have a huge mess on our hands that is the result of people not being critical or thoughtful about their political choices. This is what happens when immature and ill-informed people “buy” into media hype. I feel really badly for Burris, who appears to be a decent person; but I don’t think the issue really is about him. I think this is about reality versus false hope and mob rule.
The Dems are being small minded and petty. In 8 yrs they couldn’t find their spines long enough to stand up to George Bush, but suddenly they want to do battle against Burris? Bah humbug. Hypocrites and weenies.
I find it AMAZING that Lisa Madigan has not stopped her biased tactics or with these latest brasen acts, not recused herself-let alone offer to represent the SOS for not confirming Burris, when she wanted the seat in question and Harry Reid was also pushing her for the seat.
Dirty Dirty Dem’s.
Haunting sentence, prescient even. I tried to think of a clever way to point out that those words will apply to the outcome of almost any political power struggle for the next four years but couldn’t think of anything. So I’ll just say - Stupid is as stupid does.
And by the way regarding the comment by William L. Donlon (2009-01-03 09:39:37). That Tamy Duckworth is really connected isn’t she. Remember when Rahm Emanuel forced the people’s popular choice Marie Cagalus (sp) out of the race for congress and replaced her with Duckworth (who lost a practically unlosable election)?
Is that when the infrastructure of the Democratic party got the bit between their teeth? Too bad we didn’t nip that in the bud, or were they too powerful even back then?
I knew that replacement was a momentous event, I just didn’t know why.
Now I do.
Harry Reid called Illinois Secretary of State, Jesse White, to suggest that White not sign the Burris Appointment.
White has agreed and announced that he will not sign the certification.
An act of protest, perhaps, but certainly not a veto of the appointment.
Reid is has said that with out the SOS signature He will not seat Burris.
This will be an illegal act of racist hatred and a violation of Federal Law.
LETS THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND:
The SOS has unmitigated veto power over any appointment a Governor makes just by refusing to do a “clerical” requirement of his/her office???
And Harry and the Dems want to lecture us about “Legality”.
No SOS of ANY state has such veto power and “Harry the racist” knows it.
The Governor who appointed the first African American To The U.S. Senate since Reconstruction is under arrest.
BUT:
The Senate Majority Leader who:
Made calls against Black only Candidates for the appointment,
Made Calls to the SOS and encouraged him to commit Dereliction of Duty,
Construed that dereliction of Duty to be a Veto Power of the SOS office OVER a Governor’s appointments,
That man is NOT Under Arrest, but IS out rounding up armed guards to prevent the first Black Appointee to the U.S. Senate from taking his LAWFUL place in the Senate.
Brothers Grimm move over, you have been topped!
FACT IS STRANGER THAN FICTION!!!!
oops… not the FIRST black appointee
But I think we have to remember that doing something against a black person is not racist in itself - that’s why we protested at being called racist ourselves for not backing BO.
I think Reid is being very unethical and illegal. Having said that, though, I don’t know his mind, and as it has been reported that he doesn’t want someone in there who probably won’t win in 2 years, his actions may not be racist at all. This guy, Burris, is 70 years old. He may not run in the future, let alone get elected. So that may actually be Reid’s objection, not the color of his skin.
let’s agree, reid is making a total fool out of himself. and furthmore the citizens of this country and home state want more from him that this crap!
How will the Dems fix this problem they created for themselves? Such a bunch of inept bunglers.
The main problem with talking about BO, Blag, Burris and Reid is that there is an attempt to simplify this discussion by looking at each person’s race and trying to draw a moral judgment on their conduct from that perspective. White guys who support a black candidate are good, while white guys who don’t are bad. That is the wrong paradigm.
The issues should be who is qualified for the job and who is following the law. Blag appears to have broken some laws, but may well have made a reasonable choice with Burris. The questions for Blag are: is he entitled to make this choice and is it a good choice? Burris appears to have accepted this process and the questions for him are: is he qualified and is he behaving appropriately by accepting this position? Reid and BO have to be judged based on their rights to comment and to play a role in this process. I think they, like any of us, have the right to comment; it seems unlikely that they have any legal right to prevent Burris’s appointment.
Blag can be guilty of doing wrong and still have made a good choice in fulfilling this vacancy. (If he didn’t take a bribe to put Burris’s name forward, then he could be doing the right thing in this case. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t still be a crook and a racist. This is a good move on his part to undermine the hostility directed at him.)
On the other hand, Reid and BO appear to be guilty of protesting too much. I think their over-zealous efforts to appear as though they are doing the right thing by opposing Blag and Burris is being made to cover the reality that both a pretty sleazy characters with histories of having played dirty tricks and politics to maintain their power base. They look like they are opposing Blag so as to “prove” they are not friends with him or like him….If he says up, they say down….Childish and incredibly shallow….It’s another one of BO famous deflection moves.
If we look at the people and their actions and not the color of their skin, we may be able to sort this out.
Excellent analysis, ACPD, entirely excellent. You’ve hit all the right nails on the head.
I agree…excellent.
Exactly.
But the thing is for the rest of the buy-the-hype American public is the perception of racism within the Democratic Party. As much as us here realize that there are other reasons for appointing Burris, and opposing his nomination, the rest of the American public just see Senate Democrats (white man Reid) saying they won’t let a Black man replace Obama. Obama’s subsequent lack of support for an AA replacement should put a pallor on his presidency if one follows this logic because now even the Black Caucus is talking about a show down. But in all reality, it probably won’t because of the kool-aid, unless Black Republicans can use this to great effect some time down the road (i.e., reelection time).
Exactly.
But the thing is for the rest of the buy-the-hype American public is the perception of racism within the Democratic Party. As much as us here realize that there are other reasons for appointing Burris, as well as opposing his nomination, the rest of the American public just see Senate Democrats (white man Reid) saying they won’t let a Black man replace Obama. Obama’s subsequent lack of support for an AA replacement should put a pallor on his presidency if one follows this logic because now even the Black Caucus is talking about a show down. But in all reality, it probably won’t hurt Obama specifically because of the kool-aid, unless Black Republicans can use this to great effect some time down the road (i.e., reelection time). It does however hurt the Democratic Party and shows their hubris during a time when they are needed to show unity to deal with more pressing problems! Remember that word? Instead the Dems look petty and power-crazed, like us PUMAs have been saying all along this year. The facade has already cracked and the Democrats haven’t even assumed power yet. What a great job the Deanocrats/Obamacrats are doing.
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ACPD:
I hear you and agree on most points —– BUT:
Race plays a part in all of this.
Patrick Fitzgerald was VERY selctive in his release of taps.
Anything that has Blago saying Motherfer — release it.
Anything that has Reid saying “Blacks need not apply!” — Don’t release it.
Look!
Reid made calls, as Majority Leader of the most segregated, all White Boys Club of the past hundred years.
What does Reid have to say to Blago.
“Here are three men I do not want appointed to the Senate.”
What do ALL three have in common?? Race!!
ACPD, I could go along with you about keeping race if it had been 2 blacks and a white.
But it wasn’t.
What else did these three black men have in common??
Leadership.
Proven ability to run for Office.
Proven ability to conduct business in Office.
Proven vote getting appeal.
No known scandals.
Good family men.
Ground up experience.
ETC.
Reid”s call was made BEFORE Blago was indited or arrested.
If Fiztgerald can release the Blago saying Mother Fer taps, he can release the Reid saying “Blacks need not apply” Tap — NOW. Before Tuesday!
Harry Reid should be forced by the Senate, backed by the Congressional Black Caucus,
To resign as Majority Leader.
AND!!!
WAIT FOR IT!!!
Hilary should take the position of Senate Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate.
Not Secretary Of State.
Why?
Power Base.
When?
Tuesday!
In Time To:
Bring much needed Leadership to the U.S. Senate.
Put An End To This Ugly Mess
Seat Burris.
Don’t fight me on this ACPD!
GOD approves!
She told me so!
But how can he be labeled “racist” when he was one of the big pushers of BO? Yes, I know it’s probably because BO can be easily manipulated, or as someone said earlier, a white man with a black face - but that suggests Reid is discriminating on the basis of who will follow HIS agenda, not on race….
I mean, I don’t know, myself. But I didn’t like being called racist simply for objecting to a presidential candidate who happened to be black. I don’t want to see us take up the “cause” of calling every rejection of a black person “racist”, the same thing that was misappropriately applied to us.
Lorac:
I agree with you.
I don’t like using the term racist — Buy some times it fits.
If you are the leader of the oldest All white club,
And you are making No Blacks need apply calls
You just might be a racist!
If you are calling the SOS of a state and asking him to not sign a Black mans certification.
You just might be a racist!
If you are then using this clerical detail to deny the First Black Man appointed to your all white club since Reconstruction his lawful position,
You just might be a racist.
If you are out rounding up armed thugs to keep a Black Man from taking his lawful place in the Senate of the United States,
You just might be a racist.
If you have done ALL of the above,
And Harry Reid has,
You are definitely a racist with a capital R.
Harry Reid is a racist and should be removed from his Senate Majority status.
It should be offered to Hilary.
Hey, is there a dimwit Jewish rapper named “Pussy Boy Floyd?”
No?
Must have read it in book, somewhere….
Never mind.
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