“Time, Why You Punish Me?”
By Larry Doyle on January 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM in Current Affairs
I have tried to highlight that markets correct by price and time. While the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) has pinpointed that our current recession started in December 2007, the downturn clearly accelerated after the failure of Lehman Bros. in mid-September. You do not need me to remind you that our equity markets were down 35-40% last year.
Against that backdrop, the question on everybody’s mind is how quickly can the incoming Obama administration turn the economy around. A question I receive from friends and former colleagues is “how long” will this last. Wall Street insiders are in the business of selling products so throughout 2008, and from what I see so far in 2009, they are hedging on what I believe will be an extended downturn.
I am an optimist by nature and not one to promote a doom and gloom scenario, but let’s look at the cards that are already on the table and review past recessions that were financially driven rather than manufacturing driven. Let’s also look at forecasted earnings and what they portend for our equity markets.
I. Fed Outlook Darkens on Economy
The minutes from the December meeting of the Federal Reserve were released yesterday. In those minutes, the Fed governors highlighted “the recession could be longer and deeper than officials previously thought with unemployment rising into next year and inflation slowing substantially.”
The Fed has “sharply” reduced economic forecasts for 2009 and increased projections of the unemployment rate to north of 8%. Thus, this outlook supports the Fed’s statement that the Fed Funds rate will remain between 0 -.25 for an “extended” period.
These revised projections are no surprise to me or those who have been following our work here at NQ. However, I believe that many equity market participants are clearly and mistakenly underestimating the weight of the Fed’s statements.
In listening to many market participants and so called Wall Street veterans talk about how this economic turmoil compares to 1998 or 1994, I am reminded that the growth on Wall St. in the last decade coincided with the hiring of a lot of quantitative analysts who graduated from undergraduate and graduate programs in the mid to late ’90s. Well, those models in the black boxes aren’t very helpful right now.
Let’s go back to earlier times and review what occurred in previous economic crises that stemmed from banking and financial meltdowns.
II. “Aftermath of Financial Crises” by Rogoff and Reinhart
In the midst of ongoing reading and research, I was fortunate to come across a presentation prepared by Professor Kenneth Rogoff of Harvard University and Carmen Reinhart of the University of Maryland, entitled “Aftermath of Financial Crises.”
This work reviews a total of 18 banking crises which led to economic recessions since WW II. They put particular emphasis on 5 of these crises: Spain in 1977, Norway 1987, Finland 1991, Sweden 1991, Japan 1992.
Each of the crises they studied share three characteristics:
1. Asset Market Collapse
Housing price declines averaged 35% over a 6 year timeframe. Equity price collapses averaged 55% over three and a half years.
2. Declines in Output and Unemployment
Output declines from peak to trough on an average of 9% with a duration of roughly two years.
Unemployment rises on average 7% over a 4 year time frame (they discounted this figure somewhat by a rise in unemployment in emerging economies…they projected a figure of 5+% for developed markets).
3. Government Debt Explodes
Government Deficit increases on average 86% primarily due to a collapse in tax revenues and not an increase in government bailouts (although, the world has never seen the types of bailouts currently in place here in the U.S).
A few other highlighted points in their report:
— Each of their case studies focused on individual countries because we have not had a global recession of the type we are now experiencing. The fact that it is global will inhibit the ability for the recession to be mitigated by increased exports from any one country.
— While the U.S. is now using a whole set of new stimulative tools (the quantitative easing tools we have discussed), we also need to appreciate that we are fighting a battle that has been exacerbated by the use of new tools which were supposed to moderate risk but actually accelerated risk, that being CDS (credit derivatives).
Thus, what does all this mean for our economy and markets? The equity markets try to reflect the forward economy and forward earnings. In regard to earnings, we have seen earnings expectations from analysts generally overly optimistic. Again, most analysts work for money managers who want to raise funds not lose them. For that very simple reason, we respect Meredith Whitney so much. She tells it like it is.
A broad based average of analysts’ expectations for earnings on companies in the S&P 500 has come down from the $80 range to now the mid $40s. Given the S&P is now trading at 915, that represents a multiple of approximately 20 times earnings. That is not cheap, in fact it is rich by historical measures. Thus, we need an earnings surprise or a price correction.
In summary, I view the Fed’s outlook as accurate although I think they are a little late in their assessment. I will somewhat discount Rogoff’s and Reinhart’s work due to the emergence of new technologies, but I need to respect their opinion that this being a true global recession strengthens their case. Earnings expectations truly concern me. One final point, just this very morning PEBO indicated that we will have trillion dollar deficits for an extended period.
Given these views and outlooks, I believe a best case scenario for the equity market is that it merely marks time and does not further retract. I have a very difficult time making a case for a rallying equity market. I am more in the camp that we will likely retest the equity lows seen on November 20th. We may penetrate those lows by another 8-10% which would bring the S&P into the 700-725 area from its current level of 915. I do believe the prices in the corporate bond market, including the high yield space, largely reflect the concerns highlighted above. I also believe that despite the Fed and Treasury purchasing government and mortgage debt, these rates will end up higher at the end of this year than they are now simply due to the growing deficit. A move higher in these rates will potentially cause further anguish within the equity markets.
For today’s price action which encapsulates some of the points highlighted above, read the “Market’s Decline Deepens.”
“Can you teach me about tomorrow
and all the pain and sorrow running free?
Cause tomorrow’s just another day
and I don’t believe in time
Time, why you punish me?”
– Hootie & the Blowfish
LD


















Unless someone gets their head out of their ass and realizes they need to do some major cost cutting, it will continue to get worse. It likely will get worse anyway but showing they can keep their fingers out of the cookie jar long enough to let the economy take a breather, just might produce some positive effects. Obama can cut taxes all he wants. But if he’s going to do that then create thousands and thousands of mindless, wasteful and unneeded government jobs, we may as well wipe our ass on it. Sorry to be blunt but that’s the way I see it.
Israel Hit by Rockets From Lebanon, Conflict Widens
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477745,00.html
Awwww…but the Fraud (Mr. Spendy Bling) has plans. After his twenty glitter balls and exorbitant parties he will get right to work with that Trillion Dollar spending plan he has. I guess he will go have to beg for the money from his financial backers from countries who don’t wish us well. Disaster is coming.
I have to wonder about this too, isn’t it showing a disconnect for him to go ahead with this inagural splurge in a time of war and monetary crisis?
What are Axlerod, or Plouffe, thinking, they seem to not understand what the nation is facing, and feeling, which makes me think maybe THEY don’t understand the problems at hand.
There is a great uncertainty among many as to whether or not they will have a job tomorrow, shouldn’t Obama show some recognition of this fact as a part of leaderhip?
Otherwise he looks like an unsophisticated tool, this one more weight on the scale, making the next crisis that much easier to trigger, that much closer to critical mass.
And I say that will be related to the NEXT Blago/Rezko revelation.
But this is the creep who stood up there on his altar at the 100 Million Dollar Toga Party, preaching to poor people about how he was going to fix it. Anyone in the audience at that sham, who didn’t realize the sheer IRONY that he was literally standing on a piece of white carpet that cost 1 Million Dollars and could never be used again, needs mental health care. He’d done NOTHING BUT spend money. He’s reckless about it and doesn’t give a damn. Now he has America’s checkbook and he hates America to start with. We aren’t in great shape.
I didn’t even pay attention to him, he’s such a lightweight.
I figure I’ll just watch Congress and his advisers, and then read Krugman’s take.
And I know I shouldn’t be this dismissive, but I always get the feeling he has NO CLUE what he is speaking of, just like his campaign speeches, empty words from the pens of a bunch of empty heads.
I haven’t watched ONE WORD of the Fraud in months and months. I think the last word I saw him utter was at Saddleback and I immediately turned it off. He makes my skin crawl, literally, and you can instantly tell he’s a) a phony b) someone else wrote the drivel he spews c)he doesn’t give a damn about America. I get my news elsewhere and once in a while read something about his laughable “plans.” I figure I can close my eyes, hold my nose, and try to suppress my gag reflex for 12-18 months until IMO he will be impeached.
And I thought that interesting, much of what we critcized Obama for during the primaires, his empty, vapid rhetoric, now affects his gravitas as President.
Clinton, and perhaps Panetta, have the intellectual chops to make WORLD LEADERS pay attention. No matter your position on their values, they obviously impress others as intellects.
Whereas Obama is an intellectual pretender, despite having attended Harvard, he can’t even fake it, esp on the world stage, his lack of command, apparent.
Maybe this kind of ties in with what Krugman was saying about Michael Moore, and Gupta, too, appearance determing perception for that certain group, if it dresses smart and went to the right colleges, it MUST be smart, despite the evidence in front of them…
HRC is only going to be as effective as Fraudbama let’s her I am afraid. And I don’t like his position we are going to be subjected to regarding the Israel situation either. It’s an interesting time that we can only take day by day. In the meantime, I salute the true patriots of this country who work around the clock to expose, and therefore rid this country of, Fraudbama.
Regular posters now how much I despise uhbama…but for me to hope for his downfall, means the downfall ultimately of my country, too.
I’m praying the uhbama surprises us all, and pulls this one out. It really WILL take “bold” moves by the US; but I don’t think our fat, happy, bastard leaders have the balls.
destardi…
Nice sentiment. No one, of course, wants this country to fail. Which is WHY we didn’t vote for Fraudbama. The problem for me is that there really isn’t anyone who can immediately fix this I don’t think. Fraudbama is walking into a huge mess. My personal opinion is that he can’t help himself and his insane “policies” will somehow make it worse. But, regardless, Fraudbama himself just issued a statement about how “it’s going to get a lot worse.” So, if HE says so…WTF are we supposed to think?
I agree…when Obama sits right there and touts billions of dollars in spending and has all of these friggin’ expensive parties, it isn’t showing me he plans to be moderate with spending.
The way his “brilliant” campaign was run — with unlimited funds — and over burdening the airwaves with his ads — tells me that he has no sense about budgets or spending.
He’s another rich frat boy who is going to tell us how to “fix” our lives.
We already know that his judgment sucks — he was in charge of the Annenburg Challenge — in charge of spending millions to improve the Chicago Schools and it was a flat out failure.
If one more troll comes along and tells us that Obama ran such a brilliant campaign — that’s why he ‘won’ — I’m going to scream and call the slimy jerk nasty names.
The facts are that Obama– with a huge unlimited budget still LOST — he had to have all sorts of “help” — he had an uncritical, fawning media, the DNC wrote rules to give him the edge — and he bought the Dem parties in caucus states in order to ‘win’.
I haven’t followed the details of the orgy (of bad taste) parties he has planned — but cost of these could help a whole lot of people stay in their homes or who the hell knows what else could be done with the lavish outpouring of funds… Obama will be owing a debt and it won’t be to his voters or to America.
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LD — another great insightful article.
Thank you.
For me, I see the appointments of Panetta and Clinton as positive steps, good for the country.
There is no need to ever actively sabotage –
people like Obama hurt themselves in the end, all you have to do is tell them the truth.
Why would he appoint Brennan, someone who facilitated Cheney and Bush’s torture agenda?
It isn’t only politics, it’s indicative of someone who doesn’t understand the practical reasons as to why torture isn’t used, indicative of someone who doesn’t understand how the use of torture oppresses the domestic population, indicative of someone who doesn’t understand the reason it was include in the US Constitution. Its use harms the democratic process on SO many levels, in the end HARMING US national security.
And this guy is supposed to be bright, rtained to protect the US constitution?
He’s not, and he doesn’t.
Why didn’t he place someone innovative in the position, certainly there are those better qualified?
Same with Gupta.
Panetta’s an amateur, and he botched the Clinton appointment by placing Samantha Power directly beneath her, elevating UN ambassador to a cabinet position and causing unnecessary tension in the State Department and possibly having conflicting policies. Setting rivals against one another does not sound like good diplomacy, more like crime boss mentality spawned from paranoia and arrogance.
…:) Just to be fair, the media is reporting those lines, without the followup..but we all know how reliable the media is, *ahem, arghhhh.
“…unless we do something.”
It’s all about the people uhbama surrounds himself with (and no i don’t mean pflager, wright, farakhan, blogejevich, sigh). I’m hoping for the best; maybe Hillary can have influence on issues other than State affairs.
I’m trying to be an optimist here, dammit..haha.
I always read LD’s entries, although I usually understand very little of them. The part that caught my eye here is
“we also need to appreciate that we are fighting a battle that has been exacerbated by the use of new tools which were supposed to be risk mitigants but were actually risk accelarants, that being CDS (credit derivatives).”
Other commentators have been much more blunt in assessing credit derivatives. A description that I like goes something like, “CDs are an obscenity that have turned the stock market into a gambling casino.” Who knows how much of the bailout is being used to prop up this artificial wealth. It’s kind of sickening. If there is a crusader out there in the financial sector who wants to erase these things off the books, I think he/she could generate a huge following….although I haven’t come across any comments that discuss the consequences of doing so.
Mercedes…If there is anything specifically that you would ever like me to address pl;ease do not hesitate to ask. Or for general questions we have the Central Station forum.
It’s obvious Obama does not give a rats ass about the economy or this country given the lavish party he is throwing for himself in millions of dollars of tax dollars being spent that we consequently don’t even have. That’s like taking the knife and twisting it. People are losing their jobs, homes, life savings….who cares, as long as Obama has his moment in time of being the first “black” president because nothing could be more friggin’ important than THAT. (snark)
Exactly! People are losing their homes and he is literally breaking DC with all this spending. Just the security alone is like 30-40 Million now. How do people put up with it? Well, if millions of people can go to a series of Blow Smoke Up Fraudbama’s Azz parties, see the elaborate spending, and not say WTF is going on…they deserve what they get.
Wow LD.
Great stuff. Great stuff. Very helpful and very interesting. So glad you’re here!
Thanks for the post, LD.
Thanks, LD. I too wonder where the cuts are going to come from. I don’t believe Obama knows. I’m struck by how small in stature he is. He’s not even pulling off the “symbolic statesman” very well.
I love Karl Denninger at The Market Ticker. He tells it like it is, too:
Karl Denninger Assesses Obama’s Prescription for the Economy and pronounces it a big FAIL.
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/717-Obamas-Prescription-FAIL.html
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
Peter Schiff on Obama’s Stimulus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h2×7R8pxUs&eurl=http://thecomingdepression.blogspot.com/2009/01/peter-schiff-compares-us-economic.html
Been reading Market Ticker frequently lately. Somebody in control needs to listen to this guy. The fun’s done and dues are in collections.
Being an optimist is fine. Being a realist is better. When Walmart, the same Walmart which are purveyors of base commodities for retail customers, lowers its forecast of earnings, than we know this country is in trouble. When the Fed gets off its fairy tale about all being fine and states were headed for rough seas, this country is in trouble. When the soon to be installed president, who I may add ran on a platform of “change”, uses the same stimulus package gimmick, only grander and more expensive then those used in the past, this country is in trouble.
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