Confirmation Thread #2: “Smart Power” calls for a smart woman
By SusanUnPC on January 13, 2009 at 2:50 PM in Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
NOTICE: if you are watching on TV, C-Span is switching back and forth between C-Span2 and 1. The hearing is now on C-Span1.
(bumped up AGAIN by SusanUnPC because it’s nearly time for the resumption of the hearing and there will be more questioning — although I did hear there might be a slight delay because PEBO is also on the Hill today. OF NOTE: Since I put in rather long but fascinating sections from the hearing this morning, it will be faster for you to shoot instantly to the Comments section by clicking “Comments” above.)
For more stories on today’s confirmation hearing, check out Memeorandum.com’s excellent round-up of both MSM and blog reports.
12:50 p.m. UPDATE: C-Span is taking caller questions. Call in to 202-585-3885 IF YOU SUPPORT THE NOMINATION. 1:50 p.m. UPDATE & PLEA: Some of those calls were awful. If C-Span takes calls at the conclusion of the hearing later today, I hope some of you will dial in early so your more intelligent and positive observations can be heard! I presume the same phone # will be used.
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That “smart woman” was one “hot ticket” this morning in Washington, D.C.:
The Hot Ticket | 9:20 a.m. In the Hart building, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee begins taking testimony from Senate Hillary Rodham Clinton, a long line of people waiting to get in has formed along the outside hallway. (NYT blog)
OF NOTE: The Senate committee site hasn’t posted Hillary’s opening statement yet, but I will get it for you. I’m also adding great humorous moments. Those senators. They really know how to crack a joke.
Short snippets from the Washington Post:
In a veiled swipe at the outgoing Bush administration, she said she and Obama “believe that foreign policy must be based on a marriage of principles and pragmatism, not rigid ideology.”
Clinton pledged to strengthen ties with U.S. allies. “We must build a world with more partners and fewer adversaries,” she said. “America cannot solve the most pressing problems on our own, and the world cannot solve them without America.”
She also called for the use of “smart power” in confronting myriad challenges ranging from terrorism to global climate change. ….
HERE are snippets from the NYT live-blogging, particularly on the plight of women as well as Lugar’s grilling of Hillary on, sigh, Bill’s foundation + a wildly comedic moment that ensued:
DON’T DRINK ANY COFFEE FIRST! HOLD YOUR SIDES! JOHN KERRY IS GONNA SPLIT ‘EM!
For You Young Senators Out There … | 9:38 a.m. Senator John Kerry opened his remarks by noting the historical nature of the incoming administration — both the president-elect and the vice-president elect were members of the Senate, a feat that many senators might aspire to.
But, Mr. Kerry, who ran unsuccessfully in 2004 as the Democratic presidential nominee joked, that “before any of the newer members of our committee get too excited about future prospects,” he, Senators Chris Dodd, Senator Dick Lugar and Senator Clinton could all say: “Trust us, it ain’t automatic.”
I know, I know. The NYT has more such lame, so lame … oh well.
ON THE ISSUES:
A Gender Mission | 11:43 a.m. Senator Boxer displays photographs of women who were burned in acid attacks, punished for divorce or other matters and Senator Clinton responds emphatically.
It is her hope, she promises, to persuade more governments “that we cannot have a free, prosperous, peaceful progressive world if women are treated in such a discriminatory and violent way.” In addition to the attacks on Pakistani women outlined by Senator Boxer, Mrs. Clinton cites the attacks on young school girls by Taliban sympathizers.
“They want to maintain an attitude,” she charged, “that keeps women unhealthy, unfed, uneducated, and this is something that results all too often in violence against these young women.”
“This is not culture, this is not custom, this is criminal,” she said.
“Speaking broadly and promising that she would place an emphasis on areas like the Office on Human Trafficking and the Women’s Office, she said: I want to pledge to you that as Secretary of State, I view these issues as central to our foreign policy not as adjunct or in any way lesser. …”
Set Your Ego Aside | 11:33 a.m. Now it’s Senator Barbara Boxer’s 10 minutes, and she doesn’t hesitate to bluntly address the changing roles Senator Clinton has played recently, alluding to her presidential bid last year. As a compliment, Ms. Boxer says: “You are working with your toughest rival and you set your ego aside.”
Arms Reduction | 11:27 a.m. On nonproliferation issues, Senator Clinton assures Mr. Lugar that the incoming administration will come in with a “very strong commitment” to extending the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty treaty with Russia. The ranking Republican had listed START as one of his priorities.
She pays homage to what she and Senator Obama have learned on related issues through Senator Lugar’s tutelage. And she becomes animated in promising that she and others hope to recruit many technical experts who left the government in the last eight years of the Bush administration.
Darfur and Sudan | 11:18 a.m. On Darfur and the Sudan, asked what options are under consideration by the incoming administration to alleviate the situation there, Senator Clinton said she and others were reviewing the policy alternatives at this point.
(Photo: Doug Mills/The New York Times)
“There is a great need for us to sound the alarm again about Darfur. It is a terrible humanitarian crisis,” she added, fueled by a “corrupt and very cruel regime.” Mr. Obama, Vice President-elect Biden, Mrs. Clinton and others were considering such options as “no-fly zones, other sanctions, and sanctuaries.”She also said they were looking at the potential for the UN force to not only protect the refugees, but also “to repel the militias.”
Feingold Mentions Foundation | 11:10 a.m. Mr. Corker has now departed for another hearing; Senator Russ Feingold briefly mentioned the issues surrounding the Clinton Foundation/library and indicated that he had concerns. But Mr. Feingold, a longtime champion of public disclosure in campaign finance issues, said he would seek answers to his questions in writing.
‘No Need to Sully’ Your Work | 11:00 a.m. A rising voice in Republican circles, Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, has now begun questioning Mrs. Clinton, and refers to the measures Senator Lugar would like to impose on the Clinton Foundation. “There’s just no need to sully or dampen” her work, said Mr. Corker, who was elected to the Senate in 2006.
More Failed Presidential Run Comedy | 10:59 a.m. Lots and lots of leftover presidential ambitions here. At one point, Mrs. Clinton addressed Senator Kerry as “Mr. President,” to which he interjected he’d accept that title. As she corrected herself, to say “Mr. Chairman,” Senator Kerry joked, “We’re both subject to those.”
Dealing With Iran | 10:56 a.m. In terms of how to deal with Iran, Senator Clinton stresses, that the incoming administration is not “taking any option off the table at all.” Pressed about UN sanctions and whether they would work, she asserted that Mr. Obama and the administration would “do everything we can to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear weapon state.”
Questions Begin | 10:48 a.m. Senator Kerry is now beginning the question, and he starts in right away on the nuclear threat Iran poses. In addition, he refers not to Senator Clinton’s campaign statements, but to one made by her former rival, Mr. Obama, on the need for the use of “big carrots” and “big sticks.”
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The Clinton Foundation | 9:50 a.m. One of the issues that had complicated Senator Clinton’s selection for a Cabinet post was the far-reaching tentacles of her husband’s foundation, whose donors had previously been largely held secret. Republicans are expected to raise some issues about those dealings at this hearing, even though the Obama transition team and the Clintons have forged an agreement that will allow for more public disclosure of donations and overseas work.
But Mr. Lugar cited the dangers of the foundation’s acceptance of contributions and the complications brought about with Mr. Clinton’s sweeping global connections:
The core of the problem is that foreign governments and entities may perceive the Clinton Foundation as a means to gain favor with the Secretary of State. Although neither Senator Clinton, nor President Clinton has a personal financial stake in the foundation, obviously its work benefits their legacy and their public service priorities. There is nothing wrong wit hthis, and President Clinton is deservedly proud of the Clinton Foundation’s good work in addressing HIV/AIDS, global poverty, climate change, and other pressing problems.
But the Clinton Foundation exists as a temptation for any foreign entity or government that believes it could curry favor through a donation. It also sets up potential problems with any action taken by the secretary of state in relation to foreign givers or their countries. The nature of the Secretary of State post makes recusal from specific policy decisions almost impossible, since even localized U.S. foreign policy activities can ripple across countries and continents. … The bottom line is that even well intentioned foreign donations carry risks for U.S. foreign policy.
While Mr. Lugar noted the agreement worked out between the Obama transition team and the Clinton Foundation for disclosure of donors and ethics reviews of any future foreign donations, he contends in his advance remarks that the Clinton Foundation should “forswear new foreign contributions” once Senator Clinton assumes her new post.
Of the existing agreement’s conditions for donations and reviews, Mr. Lugar called them “positive steps.” But he continued: “I am hopeful that the Clinton foundation and the Obama administration will go further to ensure that the vital business of U.S. foreign policy upon which the security of our country rests, it is not encumbered by perceptions arising from donations to the foundation. If there is the slightest doubt about the appearance that a donation might create, the Foundation should not take it. If there are issues about how a donation should be disclosed, the issues should be resolved by disclosing the donation sooner and with as much specificity as possible.”
Mr. Lugar said he would not go through all the additional “transparency measures” that he was proposing, but indicated that Mr. Clinton’s foundation had already agreed to one of them.
(Mr. Lugar’s staff had indicated earlier that Republicans on the committee did not intend to ask former President Clinton to appear before the committee.)
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She is so great! I am listening with joy, unlike the one.
Jim DeMint just told her to do whatever she needs to silence her critics (on conflicts of interest). Tweety and Keith had better watch out.
Y’know, I’m not even going to watch the hearings. I know Hilary is a mortal lock and watching her just makes me sad and angry when I see what we SHOULD have had instead of the O-excrement we’re stuck with.
Oh and that includes the SOB’s standing around her. Talk about 2-faced. Go I hope she has some major payback planned for them.
agreed. I’d love to see her, but can’t take knowing she’s not going to be Pres and a joke is.
Seeing that picture of Kerry and Dodd next to her just makes me want to subtitle it “the backstabbers.” What
sludge some of the pols are.
Hillary is strong, classy, and a professional politician. I don’t know how I could stand next to those people without attacking one of them.
I agree. I’m amazed at how much I’ve grown to dislike (to be nice) most of those people around her. Ex. Barbara Boxer. Yes, I appreciate Boxer bringing up the problems women face in third-world countries with the torcher, slavery, murder, etc with no recourse.
But she, herself could have done more for women in our own country to help elect Hillary as the first woman POTUS. She didn’t. Close to the end of the primaries, Boxer hung her head saying she would just be relieved when it was over because it was too painful to watch “two” friends go at each other that way.
To her credit, I suppose, Boxer must have been one of the few to literally *stay* neutral in the primaries while all around her seemed to be for “him”. She was asked after the primaries if she thought there had been sexism toward Hillary in the campaign or for herself during her own campaigns. She actually said, **”NO”**. Boxer is even distantly related to Hillary through marriage somehow. She should be ashamed of herself. Hopefully that is why she brought up the atrocities of those women.
Boxer should be ashamed of herself — even Feinstein talked about the sexism and was one of the only Senators to stand up for Hillary to the bitter end. Feinstein even boycotted the convention — claiming an injured ankle.
Y’know, I’m not even going to watch the hearings. I know Hilary is a mortal lock and watching her just makes me sad and angry when I see what we SHOULD have had instead of the O-excrement we’re stuck with.
Oh and that includes the SOB’s standing around her. Talk about 2-faced. God I hope she has some major payback planned for them.
Hillary’s the real deal. The US and the world are as well off as they are going to be with her as SOS. I’m glad it looks like she is really taking it.
PUMA!!!
Thanks for this, Susan. Honestly, c-span.org has been terrible - it cut in and out constantly. And, C-Span keeps shifting where they are showing this hearing. It has been terribly frustrating, so I missed some of the parts you provided above.
That photo of Chelsea and her mom is wonderful…
This woman is a national treasure. She has been treated so poorly, but still, to paraphrase Maya Angelou, she rises. Wow…
The photo of Hillary and Chelsea is wonderful, isn’t it?
Bill should be proud of his beautiful and accomplished family.
How patriarchal and insulting can you get?
A man woulnd not be proud of his family?
Don’t you have family?
calm down.
Love, I was thinking.
(and yeah, I know Bill’s history, but I think he still loves his wife.)
What is patriarchal and insulting about a parent/spouse being proud of his/her family?
I am proud of my family. Since I am a woman is that patriarchal?
Yeah, I’m proud of my family, too.
I was confused by the remark.
Chelsea for NY Senate 2010!
Caroline who???
Oh, if only she would be old enough by then!!
Speaking of - the talk abt Clinton’s Senate seat sure has died down of late, hasn’t it?
Caroline is like Obama - their only chance of winning is to hide behind a myth that their handlers and the media have created for them. All Caroline has is Camelot and her parents’ legacy. The more she opens her mouth, the more it is clear that her Kennedy name isn’t enough.
I gather that Biden got away with fudging on the age issue, but I doubt anyone would let a woman (Chelsea) get away with something like that.
This pic of Chelsea is gorgeous, isn’t it? She is moving from cute to pretty to beautiful. I don’t think we’ll ever see a head-to-head match-up of Chelsea & Caroline in any venue. That would be a big mistake for the Kennedy clan.
i noticed she said hamas has to recognize israel, abide by past agreements and stop firing rockets. that sounds like the like the line the new administration will take. i am sure she has been vetted on this already and wouldn’t be saying it by herself.
Conversely, Obama has indicated he will seek to open a dialouge with Hamas, ending the thickened isolation Bush tried to implement.
And that is a good sign.
Re Clinton, though, I just can’t understand WHY they see her as SUCH a threat?
Is it the same as with Bill, she’s brighter than most?
Yes, Barium.
And Obama and Hillary will actually READ and verify the United Nations complaints of war crimes, including the slaughter of women and children in CLEARLY MARKED UN schools and refugee buildings.
They will not allow Israel to “bury” these facts or disrespect the UN’s proof in the reports.
The truth is, Hamas has always said they would recognize a two-state solution. What they MINDED was the Israeli blockades of food, water, fuel, and medical supplies.
Many nations around the world mind that , too, and will no longer allow Israel to behave as if it can do whatever it wants, outside of international law.
We’ll have decent negotiations and be fair brokers again, now that Obama/Hillary will be directing the diplomacy.
Thank God.
Maybe Hillary/Gates.
Not so sure on Obama.
LOL!
NYTimes and WAPO reporting that it was Gates who stood up to Bush when Israel asked permission to bomb Iran a year ago by flying over Iraq (we controlled the airspace then).
Gates told him absolutely not, because it could endanger the safety of OUR troops in Iraq, and maybe even worsen conditions in Afghanistan.
Word is, Israel pouted.
But it was Gates who yanked their chain, and thought about OUR boys.
Israel couldn’t have cared less about OUR guys.
Just themselves, the arrogant b*stards.
“NYTimes and WAPO reporting that it was Gates who stood up to Bush when Israel asked permission to bomb Iran a year ago by flying over Iraq (we controlled the airspace then).”
How convenient it would have been for Israel…let our over 100,000 military men and women be the buffer between a fired up Iran and them. Whoever did, thank God they stopped the madness.
Fallon, too, right?
He lost his job over the issue, in part, I thought, making more room for Petraeus, and the great Jack Keane.
Yes, but this time, Gates said no, and Bush complied.
I’m guessing Cheney had a hissy fit.
But the Joint Chiefs of Staff stood with Gates, and Bush backed down.
That is doubtful. Do you a link?
“Have a link”
http://www.redorbit.com/news/international/459563/hamas_denies_twostate_solution_in_annan_letter/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/barack-obama-gaza-hamas
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054008.html
So, take your pick, maybe a trial balloon?
Other indications he intends to abandon the Bush policies include his choice of envoys.
Larry’s essay yesterday seemed to think he might stick with the Bush 2 line of thought, though.
We’ll see.
Let’s not forget their acceptance of the 1967 border..what does that mean…they will talk two states. How very sickeningly unfortunate that the MSM has not plastered this all over the news again and again.
If demons really exist, MSM is one.
You’re absolutely right. Thanks for adding that.
Kerry, in his closing comments, said to Clinton he spoke with the leader of Hamas the day after the election in Palestine.
He said the leader said to him: ” even if I were to try to disband hamas, how would I do it?”
He felt he didn’t have the power, or the network, questioning how he could stop the payments of 20, 000 dollars to the families of the suicide bombers, et al.
(And really, who are they getting the money from, anyway?)
Kerry seemed to suggest helping to build a Palestinian social infrastructre, ie, schools, medical, which would indicate direct US aid to Palestine, making the terrorists a less attractive option.
(I think the US is trying to so the same in Afghanistan, maybe, Iraq, too. )
Understanding and expecting a certain level of deception, isn’t that a good idea?
’seemed to suggest helping to build a Palestinian social infrastructre, ie, schools, medical, which would indicate direct US aid to Palestine, making the terrorists a less attractive option.
(I think the US is trying to so the same in Afghanistan, maybe, Iraq, too. ‘
Absolutely. Give the Palestinians control over their own destiny and help them build the infrastructure on which to do so. And give those that opted for terrorism the chance to denounce terrorism and enter the political process for the betterment of their society….this has been done in other countries with other groups engaged in acts if terror, including in Iraq.
Gotta open the Israeli-closed borders to achieve that.
Kerry was signalling Clinton.
He certainly was suggesting a change.
As is, the US offers no domestic aid to Palestine, right?
But if there are small, incremental changes under the programs tried in Iraq, and Afghanistan, (those offering alternatives to terrorism, that is the building of infrastructre and social institutions) can that type of program also be used in Palestine?
Or are the conditions too varied?
Certainly, Israel would not stand in the way of attempts to mitigate terrorism, especially using programs developed by the US military, and such, already used with some promise in Iraq, or Afghanistan…
Not only do we give the Palestinians no aid, but we supported the starvation siege/blockade by the Israelis, and suggested to them to WITHHOLD the tax dollars that were fairly theirs.
Bush and Rice thought that the Palestinians , if starving, would rise up and throw out Hamas.
THAT is what America did under Bush and Cheney.
Kerry knows it, and Clinton knew it too.
Clearly, signals sent and received.
“Kerry was signalling Clinton.”
’signalling’…good observation.
At the same time George W. Bush was whining that Saddam Hussein was giving $20,000 to Palestinian families whose fathers had been killed…..
What he WASN’T telling Americans is that Saudi Arabia was actually having televised fundraisers for the same purpose.
The Palestinians are Sunnis. Pick a nation —Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia—that has a Sunni majority, and they openly donate to charities to help feed the Palestinians under the siege.
It is George Bush who supported the Israeli siege/blockade of food and water, and who suggested WITHHOLDING the Palestinians’ fair share of tax dollars paid, to provide for their citizens.
Kerry is signaling that America must not support that kind of cruelty.
He’s right.
That’s what I was wondering.
So many people for any number of reasons have a vested interst in keeping the middle east at war — the Saudi Wahabbis, for instance.
Even a country like Russia, understanding America’s commitment to the area, can game the US through continued middle east terrorism.
YEP. Saudi Arabia gives much more underground $$$ to Palestinians than Saddam Hussein ever did, but were never accused of “supporting terrorists.”
Must be because the Saudi’s, through private investments, bailed Dubya’s third failing business out.
They wouldn’t have done that if they didn’t think it would gain influence with the POTUS at the time: George H.W. Bush.
No more Bushes. EVER. PERIOD.
One more thing: All the propaganda about Iran “supporting” Hamas “terrorism?”
It’s bullshit.
Hamas is Sunni. Iran is Shiite.
Iran may verbally be sympathizing with the Palestinians starving in the Israeli-created ghetto of Gaza, but they’re not financing it.
It is Saudi Arabia that is supporting any Sunni organizations, through Wahhabi “charities.”
But you won’t hear that from our retarded soon-to-be-gone President.
I think any country will support anyone, covertly, when they think it serves their purpose.
Even our CIA, say, acts with our enemies for whatever reason — I mean, look at Iran Contra.
Nothing is gospel.
Fair enough, but the majority of the financing of what Dubya calls “Palestinian terrorism” is done by Saudi Arabia.
Dubya wants Americans to think they all look alike.
They don’t.
Jeb is hiding in the Bushes!
Really? You really think terrorists can be negotiated with? Really?!
Ok, here’s negotiations with terrorists:
US or Israel: What is your main objective?
Terrorist: Death to infidels!
US or Israel: We cannot agree to that, can you come to a middle ground?
Terrorist: Death to America/Israel!
US or Israel: No, that is unacceptable to us. Let’s see if we can come to an arrangement where we both can agree.
Terrorists: We want your country to cease to exist immediately.
US or Israel: We will not agree to that. Now, what is it you are truly after?
Terrorists: Death to Infidels! Praise Allah! Islam is the light!
Well, ok so have fun with that Hillary. The 4 years will fly by as she’s having fun with terrorists. Of course Obama wants to start a dialogue. He won’t have to be there for it. at least I hope not because he would probably give in to their demands!
People who believe that you can negotiate with terrorists are no different than hopey changey kool aid drinkers. Hop on board your unicorn and go bring peace to the middle east, mmkay?
See in a negotiation, both sides have to be willing to bend. Terrorists have no other desire than the death of the enemy.
Who am I to say? Well, after an 8 year long court battle with an abusive ex husband, and yes, abusive people are terrorists. Their main goal is to hurt you and traumatize you! My ex had no intention of agreeing to anything that gave me anything other than to be under his complete control. I learned very quickly that a person cannot negotiate with someone who hates you and wants to destroy you. Not to mention if you do come into an agreement of sorts with this kind of mindset, how long do you think it lasts? They feel above having to do things they don’t want to do. Then who polices them?
You cannot negotiate with terrorists. If the US takes this policy, Barack Obama will be the biggest war President in all of history. We will either be controlled by them because we will have to bow to them every time we turn around or we will have to take action for each broken agreement. So how many wars do we wish to be in? What military can handle 3, 4, 5 or 6 major wars at one time?
Infidels must stick together and get rid of the bad guys whatever means necessary. Just wait and see. Bush kept us safe. The next terror attack is just around the corner and if Obama wants to smake a peace pipe with Hamas well, at least he’ll be feeling peaceful when we are all obliterated!
Some see the Israeli stance just as hard line.
Then what to do?
See, you have to understand how to beat the stupidly obstinate without destroying yourself, or your country, in the process.
The only thing you can do is protect yourself and your own interests. I’m just a realist and I learned the hard way!
There are just toxic people in the world and they have no interest in anyone elses needs. It will always work this way, sadly.
You’re right, but we can’t let them destroy the things we have built.
I thought Kerry (!) had some interesting ideas, today, at the hearing, it will be interesting to see what Obama(?), Clinton, Gates, and Jones, recommend.
i think this assuming that kerry was sending messages is just that an assumption. if he has anything of real importance to say, he’ll do it privately. if hamas thinks the dems are going to join their side, they’ll never agree to a “real” ceasefire.
Hamas already agreed to a “real” ceasefire.
Israel killed 6 Palestinians in November and broke that ceasefire.
Not to mention keeping the borders closed and not allowing relief to enter Gaza.
Give it up, stodgie.
Kerry was clearly messaging the new Secretary of State to hear BOTH sides.
How complete and utterly stupid.
So with this never negotiate with terrorists, are you including the ANC, or even the IRA, a terrorist group the US funded against the UK?
I guess that the official stance of the US, which is to have a negotiated two state solution, with a viable Israel and Palestine living side by side is something you fail to understand.
BO will have his “special envoy” to the Mideast going over Hill’s head on everything, but they can use her for the fallguy anyway.
we all know you can’t trust obama. i suppose the others including pelosi and reid are finding out.
The “special envoys” are chosen by, and report to, Hillary Clinton.
“the SOB’s standing around her”
Absolutely–they sold out the Democratic party, put a final nail in the coffin when they betrayed Clinton–can’t watch this fiasco. They don’t have the right to be in the same room with HRC let alone grill her on anything. The obamination will finish what Bush began, the destruction of the United States.
Seeing Chris Dodd is a boost to my diet. He makes me throw up and lose my appetite. Horse face gives me the trots ….
Tweetie tingle-legs said HRC’s performance is a ‘tour-de-force.”
“Is there a subject on the planet she isn’t conversant with?” he says.
That motherf***ing pig.
She is proving nationwide that she is the superior person, intellectually, morally and tempermentally.
Boxer and HRC shone the glaring light of the existence of world-wide oppression of women on the congress and made it something the f***ing media cannot ignore, brush-off or dismiss.
That was a powerful moment. HRC said it would be one of her priorities
I’d think a lot more kindly of Boxer, who is my Senator, if she had endorsed Hillary in the primaries. As it is, she’s just another hypocrite. Even more than some others because she’s talking about women’s issues worldwide and abuse of women.
Funny, my ex boyfriend was disgusted that Clinton supporters were “bitter” and unable to support Obama when he “won” the nomination. He said to me, “We would never behave that way. If Clinton had won, we would have gotten behind her wholeheartedly.” I said, “Of course you would have. That is because Clinton is a several steps up from Obama, but Obama is several steps down from Clinton. We were expecting Prime Rib and instead were served up a bunch of bologna in an expensive restaurant. I’m not ok with the substitution and never will be!”
Clinton supporters would support Obama if he had in fact, “won” the nomination, but he didn’t and she did.
There was never a chance of Obama actually winning the nomination without it being fixed. That is just an extreme impossibility. All things equal, he wouldn’t have made it past February.
Stupid DNC! Stupid MSM!
Heck, many Obots still can’t get 100% behind her, based on comments at other Obot sites.
Also, why is MSNBC — BO’s mouthpiece and propaganda machine — harping on “more transparency” from the Clinton foundation? Has BO put them up to this? If so, why? I think he’s setting things up so that he can get rid of HRC when it suits him, based on this transparency issue. If I’m correct, this issue has also been Kerry’s here– our next SOS.
It’s like dealing with an even dumber version of the Kremlin, isn’t it?
(Both the democrats, and republicans, all their silly games).
I don’t know who is worse, Cheney, or Obama.
LOL!
That Baloney was “plated” so well though, with a drizzle of Bamboozle sauce it was a real Weiner.
LOL!
Your ex-bf is full of shit. If Hillary had won the nomination, the media and the Obots wouldn’t have backed her. Donna Brazilla and Michelle Obama (who would have had to think about supporting her - that’s coming from her own mouth in an interview) and Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews and Roland Martin and David Shuster and MoveOn and Michael Moore - all of these people would have screamed racism and told blacks and the Left blogosphere not to vote for her in protest.
Yes, my ex boyfriend is full of shit. Hence the “ex”. He only watched CNN and listened to Air America, would look at no evidence I presented him. He did for a while get tired of CNN’s non news broadcasts, but instead of going to FOX as I pleaded, he went “gay for Olbermann” on 9/11/08! That was the last straw!
I am not sad he is my ex boyfriend and Obama/Olbermann can have him and he them.
I just wish there was a nice MN PUMA who is is single and finds that dating now sucks!
I understand. I went on a first date with a guy who knew I supported Hillary in the election . The date went really well until the end of the night when he was driving me home. HE decided to talk about politics, not me. He, of course, was an Obot who said he had never got involved with politics until this election (and he’s in his early 30s - you’d think something other than a Chi-town fraud would get him involved earlier to get rid of Bush). I was nice and tried not to say anything bad about Obama. All I said was that the media was incredibly biased and treated Obama like a messiah instead of vetting him. I could tell he was angry and he later told me that he didn’t think we were a good fit.
Another reason to hate Obama is that it’s even more difficult to meet men - as if it wasn’t hard enough before this election!
That’s a real change. When Obama chose her for SOS post, Tweets just whined and whined and asked “Why oh why did he do it? I just can’t understand!”
His guests said its because Hillary is smart and knowledgeable and has good standing in the world, but Tweets ascribed it all to Obama’s magnanimous ability to forgive and admitted that he is not as good a person as Obama is.
Now he likes Hillary? Probably because Obama told him to.
Maybe because he is considering his own run for office and needs the Clinton network? hmmmmmm ….
I think it is more like the MSM wants to send the unity at all cost message. did you see the Matt Lauer/Ann Coulter interview? He kept saying that people don’t want this divisiveness. I heard his rambling about that and realized this is the new angle for the MSM. This is why they will refuse to report anything negative about Odramaboytoy. this will be their excuse for no longer reporting news. Republicans divided us and democrats will unite us.
I swear Obama could be shown live on tv slaughtering newborn babies to show his stance on pro choice and the MSM would spin it positively!
Well, they are going to have a hard time explaining why the Treasury Secretary elect neglected to properly pay his taxes …. they can spin that all they want. I don’t see it coming out of the rinse cycle.
actually the taxes have long since been paid. so that is an issue only in the sense of those who want to make it one. i don’t know much about this guy but that is one thing i know. i am not defending him just pointing that out.
No, not really. He was audited, paid it for only two of the four years when he fudged on them and only recently paid for the other two years. What’s the difference between him and, say, Madoff?
(wrote this as a response for kissy aka ‘Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus’ on the other thread…)
Yes, kissy, the Democratic candidate on the general election ballot won more electoral votes than the Republican. But Senator Clinton won the most votes to be that Democratic candidate on the general election ballot. In fact, the popular votes she received in the Democratic primary/caucus resulted in more pledged delegates for her than for her opponent. Nevertheless, having failed to pressure her into dropping out of the race, the DNC creatively re-allocated the pledged delegate count so that, at least, Senator Obama appeared to be ahead on that front. Then, by disbursing the millions of dollars in illegal campaign contributions, the DNC was able to purchase the support of the super delegates, who floated Mr. Obama to the requisite delegate count. But understand, even Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and Chair of the DNC Convention, could not Certify he was Constitutionally eligible for the job (except in HI, where state law HRS §11-113 requires that the Party must certify the candidate for POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job).
Here is the material portion of the DNC’s Certification document submitted to get BO on the ballot in HI.
THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democratic Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 through 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9344926/Hawaii-Dems-and-Repubs-Say-Constitutionally-Eligible
Here is the same portion from the Certification received by SC.
THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democratic Party of the United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 through 28, 2008, the following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice President of the United States respectively:
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/foia-request-response-from-va-document-from-va-sos-signed-by-nancy-pelosi-stating-that-pelosi-certified-obamas-qualifications/dnc-certification_of_nomination-082908-2/
There are people shouting out, “what about the people in Gaza?”. They’re holding up signs.
They’re breaking for lunch.
Ha! The first caller said she is overqualified for the job.
It was my impression even the lady from Nebraska was impressed, though she slogged Clinton, none the less.
I think many of the Republicans are shamed by the personal friends of Bush & Cheney that benefitted from so many of the Bush administration policies , including profiting off the war, that any concerns will be very lightly mentioned, but not effective.
I think they KNOW that if there is ANY ex-president whose library and investment funds should be investigated—-and whose sons, all of them, have profited off their Dad’s “connections”—-that it is George Herbert Walker Bush.
It was Saudi Arabia that bailed out Dubya’s third failing business.
I suggest they just don’t go there.
I think they know it, too.
Was George Herbert Walker Bush ever asked to reveal the source of his library’s funding when his son ran for President or his other son ran for governor?
NOPE
WAPO state dept reporter is liveblogging it here…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2009/01/13/live_from_the_clinton_confirma.html
…it helps me with nuance. she was trashing (without naming) john bolton, whom lugar loathed. no wonder he was happy.
also, note that she wasn’t sworn in as a witness - senatorial courtesy. condi was always sworn in - not that it increased her truthfulness.
(by: campskunk at Alegre’s corner)
Well said. Condi was sworn in, and STILL lied her ass off.
And to think this eminently qualified woman was slandered by Barack Obama and his campaign as a liar and racist.
It is a deception (bamboozling/hoodwinking) that cannot and should not be forgotten.
I will never stop educating and reminding people of how historic this election was - how the Obama and the DNC cheated to deprive Hillary of the presidency and the people of the better candidate. Never.
Hi lorac from the old Taylor Marsh crew.
Amen, Lorac. Nice to “see” you.
Hillary should have been our president, no question about it. End of sad, sad story.
The only thing Obama’s (s)election has done is pointed out that the DNC is just as corrupt, IF NOT MORE corrupt than the GOP.
The Karma pendulum has only one way to swing in regards to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of the blatant liars.
It’s gonna be an interesting four years.
Do I think there’s a possibility that Obama will be only a one term president? Absolutely. But, then he shouldn’t be president at all, if the total truth were known.
I agree.
If all is fair in elections and war then he will be a one term President. Unfortunately we have seen that is not true. I am praying for one term or less (something taking this fool out early and I don’t care what), but I fear that term 2 was already purchased with term one. It was a bogo sale apparently.
Funny you should say that. I just saw some BS story on MSN about Arnold making a comeback…huh? Comeback from what? I still have this weird feeling the Republicans had someting to do with Obama getting elected just so he could be the precedent setting case for a non US born or naturalized citizen becoming president just so they could run Arnold in 2012. People keep saying that the law doesn’t work that way but after what we’ve seen the last eight years, nothing is sacred. Not even our constitution.
So do I, since I believe we have the same puppet masters, but different puppets now. Why is it that GWB and BO compliment eachother on so many levels and issues. For example:
*the continuing bailout — i.e. the pillaging of the US Treasury;
*continuing tax cuts for the wealthy;
*the policy of perpetual war (from Iraq to Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran);
* continuing the policy on Iraq (what happened to the withdrawl?);
* continuing the policy on torture and Gitmo;
* continuing the policy on FISA;
* continuing the same style of leadership — i.e. a front man president heading an authoritarian presidency;
This list could go on and on and on ….
Also, the transition between GWB and BO has been very smooth, with GWB giving BO continuing approbation at every turn. Furthermore, based on Karl Rove’s pro-BO behavior during this past election year and his suspicious ties with Donna Bazile, it is clear to me that the Repubs wanted BO — another puppet — rather than HRC as president, contrary to what was reported (that HRC would be easier to beat).
I guess your an admirer of Hoover who did nothing. With no bailout a run on the banks and a complete collapse of our economy and way of life.
Raising taxes on anyone at this time spells collapse
Obviously you have no clue about the grave threats facing this country. I’m glad Obama does
Our presence in Iraq prevents world resource wars causing hundreds of millions dead
Obama is closing Gitmo on the first day. However, those people will be transfered to other prisons where they may be treated even less humanely.
Of course after we are attacked again the place will be reopened.
Soon you may be begging for whatever it takes to keep yourself alive.
Obama is showing himself to be a pragmatist and a centrist. just what we need today.
Obama has seen the terror briefings and the threats to America’s vital interests.
I’m glad your not in charge…We would be finished as a nation.
I meant You’re..Sometimes I’m in a hurry reading posts and running a company.
My suggestion to some here. Get out a map and start looking at the long term strategic interests of the United States.
This country is strong and will be standing tall after the rest of the world has been decimated by this collapse.
SM, my point in response to another post is that BO — who ran on “change”– is a seamless continuation of GWB and his policies, and that the puppet masters must be very pleased indeed.
Based on your post, you seem to be a supporter of GWB — the worst POTUS ever. I’ll bet you think he’s “great because he’s kept us safe since 911.” Such a mindset, if that pertains to you, conveniently forgets that 911 happened under his watch.
BTW, “whatever it takes to keep [my]self alive” is nothing less than what has kept this country alive since it’s founding — DEMOCRACY and the upholding of our Constitution. And I don’t “beg” for democracy and this country, I fight for both.
Oh, and MyDD the bastion of anti-HRC and your old stomping ground, is calling for your return….
I don’t know what the heck you’re talking about here.
I was a Hillary delegate and supported her in total because she is strong on defense and understands the threats facing America.
I was one of the first in almost universal opposition on this blog to support and champion her as SOS.
Hillary won’t be looking at opinion polls when she is on the world stage. Instead Hillary and the other pragmatists chosen for the state department will look at conditions on the ground and what is in the best interests of the United States.
Peace, SM, and thank you for supporting HRC. We can disagree about matters–esp. about Obama and GWB–, but I could do without your personal attacks, your belittling characterizations and assumptions about me, my thoughts or beliefs. I felt that some of your comments were hostile and unnecessary. For example:
Your comments reminded me of the toxic environment at MyDD where posters are accused of this or that and attacked for having a different POV or opinion.
Trixta,
I may not be posting as much as during the election but I was posting frantically in support for Hillary and then for Mac and Sarah.
I thought this past year was the year of the woman.
I was not only comfortable with the thought of a woman president but was prepared to fight for this historical moment.
I vote or hire based on the merits. Hillary by far was the superior candidate and it was only because of deep seated sexism that she lost.
I have only my own experience to guide me. Several years ago my company had problems with quality control. I decided that a woman production worker who had many years experience was the perfect choice to run my plant. Liz was the first in the industry to hold such a position and because of my unbiased decision my company is now the envy of all who scoffed at my original decision.
Peace, health and prosperity to you this year.
Moss
Arnold won’t be making a comeback here in California. He has taken billions in public transportation funds to balance the budget and there is still a huge deficit. He claims to be an environmentalist while public transportation is shutting down. The University of California and the California State University systems are cutting back on the numbers of freshmen to be admitted this fall. Thanks Arnold for presiding over the Third World-ification of California.
By the way, wasn’t Arnold the first American Idol political candidate? A drug user with no political leadership experience, no education whatsoever. But then California supposedly sets the trends for the United States.
Re: the Governator
We just wanted someone to kick Enron’s butt and get some of our money back, and we’d seen him blow away a whole lot of bad guys at the movies. How were we to know he was only make-believe?
My greatest fear is that he’ll have so much control of all three branches of government that he’ll do away with term limits. I think he plans on an “indeterminate” tenure of office. If all of the Republicans decline to run in the next election as four have already stated, things will only get worse. (Who’d have thought I would want Republicans to stay in office?)
Ahhh that’s our Hillary. Everything rests on her shoulders now. Ahhh isn’t she the mostest! Wow. No one compares. Hillary is the best! Rise Hillary and stay off the chocolate. (she looks like she’s been eating way to many sweets) Pray for our Hillary. She’s going to need it with all the problems going on.
HRC looks great, considering the downward camera angles and harsh lighting in the chamber, which would be unflattering to anyone.
I think this shade of brown is very complimentary to her overall, bringing out her honey-blond tresses and eyes.
Oh, the irony! FOX news is saying, no one can argue that Clinton has alot of foreign policy experience and knows many foreign leaders! Of course during the primary the talk was first lady doesn’t give you experience to be POTUS. Ok, so it doesn’t qualify someone to be POTUS, but SOS is ok. Shaking head again, reenflaming my repetitive neck injury. Getting ready for lawsuit against Obama and the DNC for injury. Hey, did Berg try that angle? To qualify for injury? Repetitive use injury of neck from excessive shaking of the head? I’ll see if he wants to try it!
Isn’t it patronizing to “praise” Hillary for putting her ego aside? I would like to see BO put his ego aside, but that would be considered “racist”, wouldn’t it?
He can’t put his ego aside.. without it, he has (is) nothing!
Yes it is grossly patronizing and rude. Obama’s outsized ego should have been put aside — if he had gacriously accepted VP, he might have learned something in 8 years, instead of being a figurehead with her having to do all the work.
he doesn’t stay around long enough to learn any thing.he has his eyes on the pope job right now..
I’m sure they’ll change the rules so you can be both married and not a catholic just for the big 0, right?
Where would he put the damn thing? It would take up the better part of a mighty big hazardous-waste landfill to hold that crud.
We need to give all ourselves a big pat on the back for a job well done. Although Hillary didn’t win the ultimate prize we can be thankful that obama had enough sense to listen to all those that opposed him and selected a great foreign policy team.
Hillary will reinvent the state department and become the face of America to the world.
I’m very proud to have voted and supported Hillary and also glad that we as patriots made obama abandon the left wing retreat and defeat America haters.
God Bless America!
Well, I really don’t think I can pat myself on the back. I fought the O presidency every step of the way–why should I congratulate myself? Even when things go well and I feel like I have accomplished something, I don’t like celebration and self-congratulation. I know that what goes around comes around. Hillary, watch your back!
I don’t trust Obama to keep her as SOS after he gets her out of the Senate. He wants Stepford Senator Caroline in her place.
Well said oowawa and sowsear!
Those were real votes too minus thousand s upon thousands of her votes that were thrown in the trash.
These real votes were not stolen votes either! Bite me! We will never forget!
There’s a piece up at Alegre’s corner called the Road To Peace. I just found it. Am reading it now.
Giving you guys a heads up. Re: Ireland, re: I/P crisis.
Those were real votes too minus thousands upon thousands of her votes that were thrown in the trash.
These real votes were not stolen votes either! Bite me! We will never forget!
I could cry because they forced our winning Hillary to conceded to Blahbama and I could cry ’cause she is leading the way and making it look like blahbama is. But she’s pro (fessional). She will do great. She beat back the repubs trying to destroy Bill and she is going to do great things again.
My sources have leaked to me snippets of the Obama inaugural speech. It is really moving and inspiring. He is how is begins:
“I Barak Hussein Obama, born in Kenya, raised by a typical white person, do solemnly swear (and occasional flip people off) to uphold the constitution, even though it is a flawed document, and that I will move to Washington DC, away from my next door neighbor Tony Resko, and I promise to write two more memoirs in my first term, largely about myself, and release a rap CD with Jayz under the ACORN record label, who like me is a modern day feminist.”
It goes on and on, I cut out some 72 ughs in the above paragraph alone, but you get the picture.
Hm.
Knowing Feavororr, and the tendency to plagarize, um, Lincoln, I would be looking over Abe’s chestnut, in addition to Kennedy’s address.
And I say he rifs lines from H and B Clinton, too.
And some MLK…
Yes Barium, I’m sure you’re correct. But I think that we’ll mostly see vintage Favreau, if a juvenile of his age can be said to have a vintage, which means a whole bunch of trite emptiness dressed up with fancy rhetorical epaulets to sound inspired and grandiose. I look for lots of “look forward, not backward” motifs.
Favreau will be fondling the “cut-out” for inspiration.
He even stole an entire political cartoon from the WA Post and repeated it in a speech (the one that led up to the “lipstick on a pig” comment).
LOL! Fabulous!
Absolutely awe-inspiring!
I’m sure “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” will be in that speech somewhere. Right along with “For the first time in my life I’m really proud of my country.”
O/T but I was wondering if this had been mentioned in the MSM? I don’t watch it much as it is mostly Obama propaganda. I am also not sure why this was not a big story before now. thanks.
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/brennan_passport_breach/2009/01/12/170430.html
Which explains WHY he’s keeping him on, I suppose.
But he brings far more baggage than he’s worth, I really have a hard time understanding why he’s keeping someone so universally disregarded — Obama throws everyone under the bus, why keep someone as inconsequential as Brennan, in fact making him a deputy adviser to the NSC?
Does he think Brennan can handle the CIA types for him?
He didnt work out to well for Bush’s people.
Yeah, this Brennan link/ passport issues still needs to be looked into.
Passport issue needs to be looked into, but we should not hold our breath waiting for that to happen. Just like waiting for more information about Obama campaign donations, Obama’s medical records, Obama’s Illinois Senate records, Obama’s university transcripts, birth certificate and on and on and on.
Amazing, isn’t it? I still feel like I’m dreaming. How could the Press have abdicated all responsibility so suddenly and completely? How can American Democracy survive under these circumstances?
Yeah, they will forego vetting Obama but continue to clamor for more transparency from the Clintons!
Creepy. Kinda like Nixon’s plumbers and Watergate.
I don’t think it was Brennen on the break-in, when it was reported that the person who hired the temps was an Obama advisor. Could there have been a 2nd break-in to fix what the first group found? After it became known that the break-in was related to the Obama campaign, there was almost no mention in the msm. Does someone out there have the original info on this?
Someone on NPR’s Rheem show was saying that Hillary has the toughness and smarts to be SOS, but one unknown is whether or not she will be able to develop a relationship with Obama where he will be willing to support her and cover her when needed.
I thought, Oh, oh — don’t think that part is in his agenda. Seems more likely that he’s expecting her to cover for him and maybe be the fall guy. This is something that bothers me about this marriage of convenience although I think Hillary is a great choice overall.
That’s an interesting point, DAB. My gut tells me that Hillary (and Bill) have thought about this possibility.
My gut also tells me that Hillary (and Bill, as her partner in discussing issues like these) actually ANTICIPATES that PBO will, if necessary, try to use her as the “fall guy.”
Given that she’s keenly aware of his track record of deftly placing blame on others, let us HOPE that she will see it coming — before it arrives — and stop it dead in its tracks.
Here’s a recent example: Harry Reid is now the “bad guy” on the Burris mess. But PEBO was REALLY the person who put Reid up to blocking Burris with his statement that Burris shouldn’t be seated. Yet, in the media (and most, if not all, blogs), only Harry is getting slammed — when the origin of the poor handling of Burris was PEBO himself.
That guy is an expert at averting blame, and pinning it on other people. BUT! Let’s also point out that the media are only too willing to abet his diversionary tactics
OF COURSE, there is always the understood agreement among White House and administration officials: That it is often necessary to take the heat in lieu of the president.
Now, if the media hate the president (e.g., George Bush), they’ll blame the president anyway. But if the media have a giant crush on the president (PBO), they’ll gladly blame his surrogates.
Example, the “heck of a job, Brownie” debacle re Katrina:
When Bush said it, he got hell from the media.
If Obama had said that, he’d get a pass, and the media would focus solely on Brown and FEMA’s failures.
I wish that were NOT so. It is disgusting. But i fear that that is what we will be seeing for the next four years.
I fear you may be right, Susan. But I also feel confident the the Clinton’s have taken all this into consideration. And Hillary is incredibly smart [we saw and heard that today]. From everything I’ve read she has real political savvy, too, with the Master Politician [the Bill] in her corner.
So, I’m a guarded optimist right now. She’s going to make a hell of a SOS.
Yes Susan, he is the opposite of a scapegoat, whatever that is. A sacred cow? It is sacrilegious to accost a sacred cow. Yeah, that’s about right.
PUMApac has this great post today–Barry Soetoro can kiss my ass! He’s what Feminist looks like? he would never even think to talk about these issues unless he is forced to.
Nope, sorry Ms. Mag. THIS is what a feminist looks like:
“Our foreign policy must reflect our deep commitment to help millions of oppressed people around the world, and of particular concern to me is the plight of women and girls who comprise the majority of the world’s unhealthy, unschooled, unfed, and unpaid.
If half the world’s population remains vulnerable to economic, political, legal and social marginalization–our hope of advancing democracy and prosperity is in serious jeopardy.
The United States must be an unequivocal and unwavering voice in support of women’s rights in every country, on every continent.”
http://pumapac.org/
“The plight of women and girls….” INCLUDES the Palestinian women and girs (and boys) locked into the ghetto by Israel.
You hide and watch.
OMG, sometimes when she speaks I am on my knees thanking God for her. I have to think that HRC gave Obama the election under the condition that she would be SOS and things would be run HER way. Nothing she spoke of today in terms of foreign policy seemed any different to what we heard from her on the campaign trail. Which is what I love about her. But definitely different from BO’s campaign rhetoric. This woman will change the world folks, and while she is keeping things under control worldwide, the rest of us can get busy and get the economy back together.
Blessings in disguise.
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Who was that doofus before Webb who kept harping on conflicts of interest? I had a phone call and missed his name.
Me too, and now Lugar is harping on the same stuff.
Why was the Bush family relationship with the Saudis never an issue? Who donated to GHW Bush’s Library hoping to gain influence with his son?
Geez Louise! The Clinton Foundation is going far beyond the requirements set by law.
Apparently, that dufus is a Senator who has had dalliances with prostitutes.
That’s Senator Vitter from Louisiana.
He’s been caught with prostitutes in Washington AND back in Louisiana, and almost had to retire because the Louisiana prostitute he favored told the media that he liked to wear diapers and get spanked.
He’s not bright enough to come up with those questions himself; someone put him up to it.
He didn’t come off very intelligently.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vitter, the gentleman from Louisiana who had a prostitute problem not so long ago. Yes, he gave Hillary the most heat on contributions to Bill’s foundation work. Luger followed the questioning up but was far less agressive. All in all, Hillary sailed through the proceedings.
I think Lugar was giving Hillary a heads-up that this was going to come from his fellow Repubs….and it did.
Lugar LIKES Hillary Clinton, and openly said he intended to vote for her.
The exchange between Jim Webb and Hillary Clinton was great. It is clear they respect each other. I liked Hillary’s use of the adjective “unvarnished” in describing the kind of advice that she knows she will get from Jim Webb — who will doubtless be an invaluable aid to her in the Senate since he is so well-traveled as both a soldier and as a journalist, and because he understands the dynamics of power and politics throughout the entire world. Amazing man. If only he could also be president someday.
I am really Proud to have been a Jim Webb supporter too..What a great Guy and great Represenative..
I am also very Impressed with how Hillary keeps her
Composure and I admire Her great Intellectual Maind and Bills too…
Isn’t it really wonderful….after Eight Years of the Bush Abomonation…(Admistration) and the Thick Skulled Neo Cons who embraced Him and representated His Administration around the World..Gag Gag…like CONDOR RICE…
To FINALLY ..Hear OUR Hillary…and some really wonderful..Intellectual Thought and Ideas and Conversation for a Change….???
I can’t wait for Hillary to get HANDS ON..
I am so Happy to have been a Hillary delegate and Supporter…
Exactly, Patrick! And how nice to see your comment!
Finally, we have people steeped on a wholistic view of the world — not viewing everyone as adversaries — and emphasizing the importance of diplomacy. Even Bush’s father had diplomacy at the fore of his Gulf War strategy to develop support. SoS James Baker visited Syria THIRTEEN TIMES before the Gulf War began — it took him that long, and required that much patience by him, to gain Syria’s aid.
Hillary will be a brilliant leader of the State Dept. She makes me so proud.
Thanks Susan..
That Means alot to me..
I Finally really feel we are Emerging from the Dark Ages..and Nethanderal Tribal Rule..
Patrick,
Me Too!!
I Know MOSS…
You ROCK like KJR and a 1957 Chevy Bel Air..
Patrick,
Wow!!
You’ve got me figured out..
Thanks!
Hillary leading our foreign policy is the bright spot in a dismal year.
I actually believe that her position protecting us will propel her to the presidency next time.
Hey guys, this is off-topic - but NQ is only 10 votes behind American Thinker for second place in the Best Political Coverage category. There’s less than two hours left to vote. Let’s get NQ over the top for the runner-up position. If you haven’t voted today, PLEASE do so.
I hope you all realize that C-Span is going back and forth — it was on C-Span2 but now it’s on C-Span 1
yup and having the vote for and against hillary just irritated me. why didn’t they do that for daschle???
SEE MY PLEA re calls into C-Span. If C-Span takes calls after this hearing ends, I HOPE some of you call in early, and get in line early, so that you can get on the air and stand up for Hillary.
The calls after the morning hearing were mostly just awful. And stupid too.
ANY of you would wipe the floor with any of the people who called in, except for one or two.
PLEASE CALL. The phone number is in my story near the top.
What were the earlier callers saying about Hillary? Was it mostly negative?
Honestly, the calls following the conclusion of the hearing, are incredibly sad, as clearly those who stood in opposition to the nomination were truly clueless; they couldn’t articulate what cabinet post about which Hillary Clinton was being questioned. Another said she didn’t trust Hillary because she stabbed Obama in the back by saying Obama was a muslim, another rambled about Whitewater. Really makes me very sad when my fellow Americans are so uninformed. Sadder because they fully embrace the ignorance.
I think, at least as of now, both Kerry and Clinton have some very good ideas.
I’ve missed this…
Adjourned.
I applauded, too.
Is that common, applause at the end of a comfirmation hearing?
OMG! Hillary next to Kerry with Dodd smirking on the sidelines. I may be sick. Can’t stand those two creeps.
Wow, that is so strong of her to stand next to all those men who stabbed her in the back during the primaries. All those men who minimized her and her husband, who thought they could use Obama for their own personal gain (not one of them got offered cabinet positions, especially Benedict Kerry).
NONE of them are worthy of judging her.
NONE!
FYI -
I have tried several times to vote but I can’t get on the site.
From another blog–worth reading!
Foxtrot Says:
January 13, 2009 at 9:45 pm
The plot thickens in regard to the Social Security number issue. I could not get the gal to tell me a specific state in the “northeast” that the prefix 042 represented, but apparently someone heard our cries and provided it as if it dropped from heaven. Here is the post from another site. As far as I know, he was never in Connecticut!
________________________________________
Obama’s CT social security number, where did it come from?
This number was in the public database, where did it come from, who entered CT ss number for BO and why?
Hello Dr. Taitz: According to the SS # that you posted for Barak Obama, it was issued in Connecticut in the years 1976-1977. Please check it out for your self.God bless youJose Alvarez
http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn.html
Have you seen this?
They are trying to repeal the 22nd amendment of the constitution to get rid of the two term limit? Is this correct?
Yes, you heard correct.
Wow, they are so arrogant, the Obama-bots.
Even the Reagan-ites had the good sense to wait until Reagan served one term.
When Obama falls, it will be the Obama-bots fault.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hj111-5
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. J. RES. 5
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 6, 2009
Mr. SERRANO introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
JOINT RESOLUTION
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:
‘Article–
‘The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.’.
Don’t know if this is for real, but an amendment to the Constitution requires that 3/4 of the state legislatures ratify it.
Not gonna happen.
That’s what I thought about Barack Hussein Obama getting elected president. Since we have stepped through the looking glass, nothing would amaze me anymore.
Indeed … very difficult to get one of those passed. That said, they should scrap the text of that one and instead, try one that limits the terms of Senators to 2 terms max and Representatives as well, perhaps 6 terms, just to give them equal time with the Senators. Some of those Senators questioning Hillary this day have been on the t.v. screen too long! But, getting back to the issue, declaring Obama “President for Live” seems like such a waste of time. Why not just offer him a crown, send him over to the U.K. or Monaco, and be done with it1
I just said that above, that is PEBO’s intention to serve forever. That’s why they are also calling for a Constitutional Convention. The crook will become dictator for life. I wouldn’t trust any vote in any state after what just happened. Where are the honorable people?
I doubt that will happen. I don’t think anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells would want a Constitutional Convention. That does, however, leave out the entire DNC.
It looks like it is real. Jose Serrano sponsored the bill. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400366
that is so not ever going to get the necessary state ratifications. give it a rest jose!
so exactly who is serrano supporting this bill for at this point?????? i wouldn’t mind if they wanted to reelect clinton.
At end of the day, the SOS works for the President. No matter how magnificently Hillary performs, she will not received credit. If there is a major foreign policy debacle, guess who will get the blame?
Another reason why HC should not have accepted this-CK might be her replacement.
The Congressman or woman that proposed removing the term limits on a President needs to be impeached from office. The cultists on the Hill are back.
Looks like Kerry is retrieving the knife that he plunged into Hillary back during the primary…