Sir Gerald Kaufman on Gaza
By SusanUnPC on January 18, 2009 at 12:05 AM in Gaza, Israel, Palestinians
UPDATE: This is not a personal indictment of anyone or any nation. It is information. Take it in, approve it, reject it. That is up to you alone. A reader found the YouTube. We viewed it and decided it was important. Just as we found and posted several stories about attacks throughout Europe and Asia on synagogues and on the Jewish people.
We present it solely because it is a remarkable statement. We hope to stimulate thought and discussion of critical issues. This is interesting, especially since it comes from a top foreign policy expert in the UK Labour Party whose own grandmother was murdered in her bed by the Nazis. We can discuss if Sir Gerald is right or wrong, and which parts he has right or wrong.
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This YouTube was spotted by a NoQuarter reader. The indented statements below come from the YouTube channel. The speaker in the British House of Parliament is Sir Gerald Kaufman, “who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist” and says in the video below, “My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed.” From Answer.com:
“A foreign policy spokesman of the British Labour Party, Gerald Bernard Kaufman (born 1930) became a member of Parliament in 1970″ (See Sir Gerald Kaufman’s full biography at Answers.com).
Here is the accompanying text to the YouTube video:
[These are] astonishing claims in the House of Parliament. Sir Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP, yesterday compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland.
During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the government to impose an arms embargo on Israel.
Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said: “My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed.
“My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. …
“The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians.”
He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants “was the reply of the Nazi” and added: “I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants.”
He accused the Israeli government of seeking “conquest” and added: “They are not simply war criminals, they are fools.”
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See ya soon, Hillary.
I’d say Sir Gerald’s comments just about sum it up.
Anybody else out there got the moral fortitude to speak up?
God bless you Sir Gerald. May God protect you and and your family for saying the truth.
“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.”
George Orwell
Sir Gerald has been very brave to make these comments, particularly as he is himself of the jewish faith. He realises that the only way to peace is to talk and not kill people.
Sadly he will be condemned by most Israelis.
perhaps a diary on the fact that israel has declared a one sided ceasefire might be in order now.
It is not as though there was an opposition to them anyway. The HAMAS rockets are nothing more than fireworks, however HAMAS is a monster created by Israel for Israel.
In some respects and this is really horrible, the Israel moderates did this to show that they were as tough on “terrorism” as LIKUD (who are many times more looney).
If this gets moderates elected, then it served some purpose, but this was not a price worth paying and all it did was create more extremists, who want revenge for killing children.
I posted that earlier in my open thread. But it seems to have disappeared — i think i accidentally overwrote my earlier copy. I WILL add it again, to that thread, at the top — where it was originally.
I added it back in the open thread below, at the top of the story. I posted it there about 6 hours ago, and have just done so again. This time, I used the link to the New York Times story, “Israel Declares Cease-Fire; Hamas Says It Will Fight On.”
NYTimes is biased.
Israel announces a “ceasefire,” but they intend to stay INSIDE Gaza for “stability.”
That’s not a ceasefire. That’s a return to occupation.
Further…
.
http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSLH61096
and
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2009/01/an-inevitable-outcome-in-gaza.html
.
Israel has declared a unilateral ceasefire–but refuses to withdraw from Gaza. Israel is continuing its military occupation of the Gaza Ghetto. So, it’s not in any sense a good-faith effort toward peace; it’s entirely what was planned for the past 18 months, as Israel starved 1.5 million people with their blockade.
This is a tactical move to re-occupy Gaza, Stodgie. And, when Hamas refuses to observe Israel’s ceasefire, which they will, because they are a democratically-elected government and have the right to do so, Israel is hoping that this will help all those predisposed to support anything Israel does, to justify Israeli re-occupation of Gaza, and to forget about the war crimes Israel has committed.
stodgie, Please keep us informed as to how many innocent Israeli women and children get killed by Hamas in the next few days. Don’t neglect to include hospitals and schools hit. If you find time during that arduous accounting, you might fill the space with reports of Israeli food shortages, unemployment, lack of medical supplies, etc. We know we can count on you.
It’s better for the zionists to go back from where they came, and let the jewish community of Palestine leave in Real peace as they use to, before the terrorist bands of foreign jews been brought by the british to Palestine, Justice will Prevail.
It is also not so easy to throw anti-semite at Gerald Kaufman, as his family helped create the State of Israel and he has known every serious politician of the Country.
How about “Uncle Tom”?
Sure, people said the same thing about Frederick Douglass. Shame on them. They only expose their own bigotry and ignorance for lobbing such offensive insults to people who express their moral rejection of crimes against humanity–during slavery, and now, regarding Israeli war crimes in Gaza.
Show some respect you arrogant tosser. This is a man who has worked every day for Israel and the people of Israel.
His family collected money for the Israeli pioneers. Exactly what have you done? Other than help Israel become hated by defending war crimes?
This is a man whose grandmother was murdered in her bed by people who would have dismissed her as “Uncle Toms”.
I was reading an article today about a middle of the road, average Palistinian taxi driver who had never been very political before in his life. He was too busy just trying to get by. Yesterday he had his house blown up and today he joined Hamas. He’s political now. Nice going Israel. What’s that business model? For every customer you piss off, you lose 8 potential customers to bad word of mouth? So for every innocent person you kill, how many terrorists do you create? 10? 20? 100?
Israel would be better off if they would simply treat Hamas like they would treat any good paying customer that wants to kill them. They could even call them clients, not mere customers; high end valued clients.
Israel could send Hamas on an all expense paid trip to Vegas. Those kind of perks always work in the business world. The kids could be sent off to Disneyland and the wife could could get a free massage and manicure.
Then Hamas would be more willing to peruse Israel’s sales brochures and order tons of product from there conveniently located distribution centers and take advantage of the 90-days-same-as-cash policy that Hamas deserves to have extended their way.
Of course Hamas would get free shipping on their first trial order which would include a Demo Disk and offers for discounts at home depot.
So, for every innocent German that was killed in WWII, 8 Nazis were created? It’s a wonder that we won at that rate.
Israel killed 1245 Palestinians in Gaza. There were 13 Israelis killed. Most killed by Israel.
How many of those people who were already denied decent facilities will now become terrorists?
A 1000 to 1 ratio is not just disproportionate, it is genocide and I say that as a supporter of Israel, but not her policies.
blah, blah, blah. how many rockets would the UK let Hamas fire at them before they responded with over-whelming force? how would you like to have “Palestine” on one border, and maybe Syria and Lebanon on a couple others?
The UK had Northern Ireland, which had the IRA, who until 9/11 many Americans helped fund. We got peace in that troubled part of the World by talking to our enemies and not killing the Irish at the rate of 1000 for every English person killed.
Great point UK for Dems!
Simply go back to where you came from i.e. poland,italy,germany,ethiopia, etc etc., and let the Palestinian Jews, Christians and Moslems Live in Real Peace as they use to, after Palestine was Liberated by Salaheddin.
UK, your math is way off, it’s roughly 100 to 1, not 1000 to 1.
It is silly to assume that a defensive response to aggression should be numerically proportional. We lost 3000 on 9/11. If there were 3 million Al Qaeda in the world and we managed to wipe them ALL out, (a true 1000 to 1 ratio) it would be cause for a great celebration.
Israel is suspected of committing war crimes, perhaps deliberately crating, and murdering, Palestinian civilians as part of of a trumped up, false war on Hamas and terrorism, simply to reoccupy GAZA (and other Arab lands), to which it feels it has sole right — (the Israeli neocons, anyway).
And they’re doing it with US aid and weapons, no less, in turn compromising the US.
Big problem.
It’s revolting on a human level, and simply AMATEUR on a strategic one.
Maybe your math are ok, but can you explain why there were no jews in those towers that day! did they knew about what was going to happen, or it’s simply coincidence, maybe there were arabs on those planes, but can any one be sure they knew what they were doing on board, perhaps they were brain washed or hipnotized to go to a destination where a sexy girl was waiting for them, but they did not know about their fate, who was really piloting those airplanes, we know that for the zionist cause anything and everything is permissible, even the lives of our own dears!
Maybe your maths are ok, but can you explain why there were no jews in those towers that day! did they knew about what was going to happen, or it’s simply coincidence, maybe there were arabs on those planes, but can any one be sure they knew what they were doing on board, perhaps they were brain washed or hipnotized to go to a destination where a sexy girl was waiting for them, but they did not know about their fate, who was really piloting those airplanes, we know that for the zionist cause anything and everything is permissible, even the lives of our own dears!
This is from the same debate in the UK Parliament. George Galloway is not someone I normally agree with, but you can not dismiss the power of his argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIpvrOJQ0J0
I didn’t watch it, but the fact that you’re publishing a disclaimer up front is telling. I’m sure ANSWER’s got some protests coming up again soon … Hitler’s in the charts again…
Gerald Kaufman is a Jew and a Zionist. Your attitude is quite typical of why there will not be peace. In fact he addresses it directly.
“My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The current Israeli Government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians. The implication is that Jewish lives are precious, but the lives of Palestinians do not count.”
I don’t know anything about Answer.com. Never been there before. I simply Googled for a biography of Kaufman since Wikipedia had no entry (or one that i could find). I wanted to verify the background listed by the person with the YouTube channel. (That indented portion below the video is from the YouTube channel owner, not from Answer.com.)
Here is another take as to why what is happening in Gaza is…happening in Gaza…
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11680
War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza’s Offshore Gas Fields
by Michel Chossudovsky
EXCERPT:
“The military invasion of the Gaza Strip by Israeli Forces bears a direct relation to the control and ownership of strategic offshore gas reserves.
This is a war of conquest. Discovered in 2000, there are extensive gas reserves off the Gaza coastline.
British Gas (BG Group) and its partner, the Athens based Consolidated Contractors International Company (CCC) owned by Lebanon’s Sabbagh and Koury families, were granted oil and gas exploration rights in a 25 year agreement signed in November 1999 with the Palestinian Authority.
The rights to the offshore gas field are respectively British Gas (60 percent); Consolidated Contractors (CCC) (30 percent); and the Investment Fund of the Palestinian Authority (10 percent). (Haaretz, October 21, 2007).
The PA-BG-CCC agreement includes field development and the construction of a gas pipeline.(Middle East Economic Digest, Jan 5, 2001).
The BG licence covers the entire Gazan offshore marine area, which is contiguous to several Israeli offshore gas facilities. (See Map below). It should be noted that 60 percent of the gas reserves along the Gaza-Israel coastline belong to Palestine. “
Read the rest of this article by following the link.
More along this line – Naomi Klein devotes a chapter in “The Shock Doctrine” to explaining why peace with the Palestinians is not in Israel’s econamic interest. Just chilling, but it makes a sick sort of sense, and makes me even angrier at how this has played out.
Uh, “americanneocon”?? (a contradiction in terms, if I ever heard one….)
Susan referred to answers.com, which is like wikipedia.
You are falsely connecting that reference to ANSWER, a political activist group.
They are not one in the same.
Nice try, though.
Thanks, Scotty. I did say that the second indented part came from the YouTube channel’s commentary alongside the YouTube itself. I haven’t a clue who that person is, but the focus shouldn’t be on those words so much as on his speech — i.e, the video.
According to this report from a Jewish journalist and resident of Jeruselum, the attack on the UN school in Gaza was not the result of fire coming from Hamas militants, but a “mistake”.
Why would Hamas agree to a cease fire when Israel is damaging itself with this type of mistake and militarism?
“Already, new information has emerged about the bombing of the U.N. school where 45 civilians taking shelter were killed by a bomb blast. Israel has now retracted its initial claim that the school was being used by Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. The military is now admitting that instead it was a bomb that missed its target. The U.N., meanwhile, is drawing up a report on this to submit as possible evidence of a war crime.”
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/01/16/1747060.aspx
There is more than a grain of truth in Sir Gerald Kaufman’s remarks. As other SOS before her, Hillary will have her hands full with this conflict. I am not normally an isolationist. But this conflict brings out that latent tendency in me becasue it appears to be so unsolvable. Hillary has the smarts and the political know-how and will to effect changes here. I wish her well. She gives me hope.
Clearly there are no simple solutions to this problem, but this is a brave comment that speaks to several important points that often are lost in discussions over the plight of Israel. There can be no resolution of any conflict if one side is going to be seen as being wholly (holy) right and the other completely wrong.
The settlers in Israel have been dreadful to the Palestinians. Their excuse is that God told them to live on Palestinian land. That is as deserving of tolerance, as a suicide bomber’s killing of Israelis out of some sense that their God is mandating that murder. This conflict isn’t about God it is about humans justifying the unjustifiable for their own benefit and the harm of others. No belief in God actually supports that.
Israel is unique, but not special. Yes, Jews have suffered, but that does not allow them to make another people suffer. The Palestinians have suffered too much. Israel needs to back off. I agree with Sir Gerald Kaufman.
Saying that Israelis deserve that land because (mostly other) Jews have suffered is like Michelle Obama say ing she deserves reparations (I don’t know if she did, it’s just an example) because her ancestors suffered under slavery.
I am encouraged by the people who have enough courage to speak out, and it is difficult.
My dismay comes about when I see no sense of “urgency”.
We want to think that much is taking place, behind the scenes, but the wheels of diplomacy turn too slowly to save lives.
Hey – this is bullshit. Gerald Kaufman did not come to some “revelation” of his anti-Israel views during this Gaza conflict, he’s been a critic of everything Israeli for decades, and marches to the drum of the ANSWER crowd. Anytime Israel uses force, Kaufman is there, foisted upon the world as part of a cadre of self-hating Jews who have an unquenchable need to undermine Israel. Kaufman’s BS starts by claiming some moral superiority simply because he was born a Jew. a convenient tactic utilized to silence critics (caught you on this Larry).
By implying that since he is a Jew he must have a some abiding love for Israel over non-Jews, Kaufman dares you to challenge his arguments because first you have to admit that he has the moral high ground or a personal stake in the fate of Israel. This is typical identity politics, and almost always illegitimate — because regardless of your personal stake your ideas still might suck, and as far as Israel goes, it worse then hypocrisy, it’s flat out lying.
Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean mean nothing to them, their about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic.When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convenient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimization. Screw Kaufman’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for their anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views.
I’m sorry Kaufman’s grandmother was shot dead in her bed, maybe he ought to realize that there are quite a few PALESTINIANS who think Hamas has more in common with the Nazis than Israel ever could.
Larry, here’s more of Kaufman’s bullshit – Kaufman is a supporter of something called the “Zayed Centre for Co-Ordination and Follow” (ZCCF) which claims “Jews aren’t Semites, but descendants of Japhet” Kaufman believes in a vile idea that Israel has developed a nuclear weapon as an apocalyptic weapon in order to commit “mass suicide” like a modern day Masada when it is overrun by the Arabs. He calls the presence of Hasidim in Jerusalem an “infestation”. The next time you post Kaufman as some sort of spokesman for Jews, you might want to ask what the Jews think of him.
I would not call myself a disinterested third party, because nobody can be that under the circumstances, but I don’t have the emotional connection to this conflict that many commenters seem to have and to me what Sir Gerald Kaufman says below certainly seems to be true:
““The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians.”
I have come to the conlusion that it will take courageous “Righteous Jews” like Sir Kaufman and Naomi Klein and others inside and outside of Israel to stop this insanity.
Hey – this is BS. Gerald Kaufman did not come to some “revelation” of his anti-Israel views during this Gaza conflict, he’s been a critic of everything Israeli for decades, and marches to the drum of the ANSWER crowd. Anytime Israel uses force, Kaufman is there, foisted upon the world as part of a cadre of self-hating Jews who have an unquenchable need to undermine Israel. Kaufman’s BS starts by claiming some moral superiority simply because he was born a Jew. a convenient tactic utilized to silence critics (caught you on this Larry).
By implying that since he is a Jew he must have a some abiding love for Israel over non-Jews, Kaufman dares you to challenge his arguments because first you have to admit that he has the moral high ground or a personal stake in the fate of Israel. This is typical identity politics, and almost always illegitimate — because regardless of your personal stake your ideas still might suck, and as far as Israel goes, it worse then hypocrisy, it’s flat out lying.
Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean mean nothing to them, their about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic.When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convenient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimization. Screw Kaufman’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for their anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views.
I’m sorry Kaufman’s grandmother was shot dead in her bed, maybe he ought to realize that there are quite a few PALESTINIANS who think Hamas has more in common with the Nazis than Israel ever could.
Larry, here’s more of Kaufman’s bullshit – Kaufman is a supporter of something called the “Zayed Centre for Co-Ordination and Follow” (ZCCF) which claims “Jews aren’t Semites, but descendants of Japhet” Kaufman believes in a vile idea that Israel has developed a nuclear weapon as an apocalyptic weapon in order to commit “mass suicide” like a modern day Masada when it is overrun by the Arabs. He calls the presence of Hasidim in Jerusalem an “infestation”. The next time you post Kaufman as some sort of spokesman for Jews, you might want to ask what the Jews think of him.
These false tropes from ilk like Kaufman reduce the the level of discussion to the meanest form of anti-Semitism. Thats right, anti-Semitism. Kaufman has been critic of everything Israeli for decades, and marches to the drum of the ANSWER crowd. Anytime Israel uses force, Kaufman is there, foisted upon the world as part of a cadre of self-hating Jews who have an unquenchable need to undermine Israel. Kaufman’s BS starts by claiming some moral superiority simply because he was born a Jew. a convenient tactic utilized to silence critics (caught you on this Larry).
By implying that since he is a Jew he must have a some abiding love for Israel over non-Jews, Kaufman dares you to challenge his arguments because first you have to admit that he has the moral high ground or a personal stake in the fate of Israel. This is typical identity politics, and almost always illegitimate — because regardless of your personal stake your ideas still might suck, and as far as Israel goes, it worse then hypocrisy, it’s flat out lying.
Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean mean nothing to them, their about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic.When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convenient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimization. Screw Kaufman’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for their anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views.
I’m sorry Kaufman’s grandmother was shot dead in her bed, maybe he ought to realize that there are quite a few PALESTINIANS who think Hamas has more in common with the Nazis than Israel ever could.
Here’s more of Kaufman’s BS – Kaufman is a supporter of something called the “Zayed Centre for Co-Ordination and Follow” (ZCCF) which claims “Jews aren’t Semites, but descendants of Japhet” Kaufman believes in a vile idea that Israel has developed a nuclear weapon as an apocalyptic weapon in order to commit “mass suicide” like a modern day Masada when it is overrun by the Arabs. He calls the presence of Hasidim in Jerusalem an “infestation”. Try finding anyone in the mainstream Jewish community who thinks Kaufaman is nothing less then, well I can’t bring myself to say it.
This Gentleman is abosulety right, and the other orthodox jews, just check the old bible ( not the rock and roll one, or the queers gidgeons one ) in Ezekhiel you will find the answer, these people are trying to save the world.
Mercedes, I agree.
Also, I think that we can add Norman Finkelstein’s name alongside Sir Kaufman and Naomi Klein’s names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2523
Pajamas Media should be ashamed to have this horrific blogger at their site. Virulent hate-speech and vile lies, while smearing every Palestinian with a broad brush, using Hamas. The comments are even worse, ugly, hateful, and vicious. I would expect to see demogoguery and inflammatory rhetoric and lies like this at an Al-Qaeda website, frankly. This is “protocols of zion” rhetoric. Coming from extremist pro-Israeli supporters. It’s disturbing and disgusting.
One commenter, however, nailed it:
Want to see the extremists on the pro-Israel side?
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gaza-children-sacrificed-to-a-malevolent-god/#comment-187642
Gerald Kaufman is old news, he didn’t have an epiphany and find his anti-Israel views during this Gaza conflict, he’s been a critic of everything Israeli for decades, and marches to the drum of the ANSWER crowd. Anytime Israel uses force, Kaufman is there, foisted upon the world as part of a cadre of self-hating Jews who have an unquenchable need to undermine Israel. Kaufman’s BS starts by claiming some moral superiority simply because he was born a Jew, a convenient tactic utilized to silence critics. By implying that since he is a Jew he must have a some abiding love for Israel over non-Jews. Kaufman dares you to challenge his arguments because first you have to admit that he has the moral high ground or a personal stake in the fate of Israel. This is typical identity politics, and almost always illegitimate — because regardless of your personal stake your ideas still might suck, and as far as Israel goes, it worse then hypocracy, it’s flat out lying.
MORE — Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean mean nothing to them, thier about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic.When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convienient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimizaton. Screw Kaufamn’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction.
part 2: Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean mean nothing to them, thier about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic.When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convienient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimizaton. Screw Kaufamn’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for their anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views.
The phrase “self-hating Jew” is the refuge of the weak-minded. It implies that all must have a uniform and acceptable worldview to be a proper Jew. Congratulations on revealing your bigotry so starkly.
I admit it – I hate self-hating Jews.
The phrase “self-hating Jew” has many connotations but in the case of Kaufman it fits to a tee, and your dismossive tone speaks is simply of someone too weak minded to make a lucid argument. The other “self-hating Jews” among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Simply being born as a Jew and eating knishes dosen’t give them cover when the tenets of Judaism mean nothing to them, they are about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic. When it comes to the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found, but as soon as it becomes politically convienient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimizaton. Screw Kaufamn’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for their anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views. You may call that “bigotry”, I call it self-evident.
CA lefty–you make some good points. I was very taken with Amy Goodman’s ‘Democracy Now.’ Agreed most of the time when she bashed the Bush administration and the Iraq War. But I dropped my daily habit for her NYC program because I felt she went too far left; some reports were a stretch.
And the station’s unqualified support of Obama finally broke my dependence on Goodman reportage.
This happens when you become, almost unconsciously,
an idealogue. Seems you must always ratchet up the cacophony, top past stories, and always, but always, have a whipping boy. Or focus for the ire.
It is a tried and true pattern for all media outlets. When the entertainment factor trumps public service, it is time to reassess the real nature of that program.
Humans tend to be self-centered and righteous. Politcs can be all consuming and the moral compass
loses its gravitational heading. Do we have a right to sit 6000 miles away from Israel and dictate our personal philosophy like a cantankerous village scold? I think not.
The Israeli spokespeople have stated constantly that they have no designs on reoccupying Gaza. Why can’t we take them at their word? Can’t we wait
and see and then pass judgment?
Is it not more important to stop the killing than to drum up reasons to blame Jews? The far left devotees seem to need a scapegoat in order to make political gains. I say if their cause is so lame, it may be time to try a different tack. A little self-analysis wouldn’t hurt either.
Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean a thing to them, their about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic. When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convienient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificates or touting their families victimizaton. Screw Kaufamn’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “I was born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for his anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views.
I’m sorry Kaufman’s grandmother was shot dead in her bed, surely he realizes that there are quite a few PALESTINIANS who think Hamas has more in common with the Nazis than Israel ever could.
Here’s more of Kaufamans BS – He’s a supporter of something called the “Zayed Centre for Co-Ordination and Follow” (ZCCF) which claims “Jews aren’t even Semites, but descendents of Japhet” Kaufman beleives in the vile idea that Israel has developed a nuclear weapon as an apocalyptical weapon in order to commit “mass suicide” like a modern day Masada when it is overrun by the Arabs. He calls the presence of Hasidim in Jeruslaem an “infestation”. Kaufman is an embarrasment. Lets just say from now on Kaufman is of Jewish origin rather then a Jew.
Kaufman’s comments should not be interpreted as one coming from a Jew,this is irrelevant. The problem is that it totally neglects facts. For the last 3 years after Israel pulled out totally from Gaza-made it Judenrein- Hamas fired over 5000 missiles to terrorize civilians and children YES ISRAELI CHILDREN, preventing them from living a normal peaceful live. And to all the people who made comments agreeing with Kaufman, I have a simple question: how many rockets will they accept to be fired on their families before defending themselves? Making comments from the rockets free lives is very easy to condemn others for the basic desire to be left in peace.
PS. Does the clouds in the Island effects the brain?
Kaufman and the other self-hating Jews among us attack Israel and don’t give a crap about Judaism either. Just because you were born a Jew and eat knishes or go to a synagogue, the tenets of Judaism don’t mean mean nothing to them, thier about as Jewish as Madonna is Catholic.When it comes to the the daily strictures of Judaism, these “Jews” can’t be found but as soon as it becomes politically convienient to tout their Judaism, there they are waving their birth certificate or touting their families victimizaton. Screw Kaufamn’s history, a secular humanist who was born a Jew, is still a secular humanist. Don’t think so? Ask Noam Chomsky another “was Born a Jew” but now just an evil ass who yearns for Israel’s destruction. Is Chomsky immune from criticism because of his mother’s uterus? Hell no. Kaufman has no right to use his Jewish birth as a shield for their anti-Israel and often anti-Semitic views.
[...] Originally Posted by Pathless Has Hamas committed war crimes against Israeli citizens? Has the IDF committed war crimes against Palestinian citizens? Are either or both sides engaging in collective punishment? What is just? What is more important? Justice or peace? news-gaza3 "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." –Gandhi The Jews themselves around the world started to feel Bagram the Zionist state (Israel). ———————————— "The current Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians," Sir Gerald Kaufman, a veteran MP of the governing Labour Party and a long-time critic of Israel, said Thursday in parliament. Referring to his personal background, as the son of Jewish refugees from Poland, he said: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza." Kaufman compared the Hamas militants in Gaza to Jewish resistance fighters during the Second World War, saying: "The spokeswoman for the Israeli army, Major Leibovich, was asked about the Israeli killing of, at that time, 800 Palestinians. The total is now 1,000. She replied instantly that ‘500 of them were militants’. That was the reply of a Nazi. I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants." Israel launched major operations in Gaza on Dec. 27 after Hamas ended a fragile cease-fire with a massive intensification of rocket attacks into southern Israel. the source ……… [...]
Kaufman I am sorry to say is a very suppressed faggot, and this is the cause of his self hatred. He should be informed that it is perfectly legal now to indulge in sodamy, and it is also legal in Israel. Infact he can participate in Tel Avivs gay pride march. Unlike in Gaza where he would be stoned to death. Come on Gerry its 2009 not 1950, enjoy be free.