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		<title>By: Patrick Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1128097</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You ATHY..

Excellent tie in and point you are making..I feel Exactly the same way  you do..and your links are perfect..

I understand Your poiunt about &quot;Liberty&quot;..being a tarnished Word Nowadays..beccause oif the Actions of the bush administartion..after 9/11..The dangers of a &quot;Patriot Act&quot; and Executive  Acts broad using of NSA Intercepts without FISA...on the claim that it is In Our BEST INEREST..for &quot;National Security&quot; reasons..and the abuses at Gutanamo and a Tendacy towards ignoring &quot;Due Process&quot; ..

Those actions by Represenatives of the united states Government have tended to Combine &quot;LIBERTY&quot; 
with Political Abuse..and make us seem more like 
other so called Democracys like Russia..

I am angry that our politcians have tarnished Americas World Wide Image so Bad..What they have done is not the LIBERTY I reffered to in my Poem or Believe in..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You ATHY..</p>
<p>Excellent tie in and point you are making..I feel Exactly the same way  you do..and your links are perfect..</p>
<p>I understand Your poiunt about &#8220;Liberty&#8221;..being a tarnished Word Nowadays..beccause oif the Actions of the bush administartion..after 9/11..The dangers of a &#8220;Patriot Act&#8221; and Executive  Acts broad using of NSA Intercepts without FISA&#8230;on the claim that it is In Our BEST INEREST..for &#8220;National Security&#8221; reasons..and the abuses at Gutanamo and a Tendacy towards ignoring &#8220;Due Process&#8221; ..</p>
<p>Those actions by Represenatives of the united states Government have tended to Combine &#8220;LIBERTY&#8221;<br />
with Political Abuse..and make us seem more like<br />
other so called Democracys like Russia..</p>
<p>I am angry that our politcians have tarnished Americas World Wide Image so Bad..What they have done is not the LIBERTY I reffered to in my Poem or Believe in..</p>
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		<title>By: athy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1128074</link>
		<dc:creator>athy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Thread

http://www.wnem.com/news/18566890/detail.html

&lt;strong&gt;WWII Veteran Freezes To Death In Own Home
Bay City Electric &amp; Light Restricted Power To Man&#039;s Home After Not Paying Bills&lt;/strong&gt;

UPDATED: 1:44 pm EST January 27, 2009

EXCERPT

BAY CITY, Mich. -- TV5 and WNEM.com has learned about new circumstances surrounding Marvin Schur’s death.

A limiter on Schur’s electric meter is being blamed for the man’s death. &lt;strong&gt;Now Bay City said it will notify customers before their power is shut off.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Michigan’s Attorney General Mike Cox said Tuesday he would review the case.

One local lawyer said the question remains, who is accountable in this war veteran’s death?  

Ed Czuprynski, a constitutional attorney, said the city could be liable. &quot;I really think it&#039;s a disgusting situation and it&#039;s a shame that Bay City is put beneath this light.&quot;

Czuprynski said Bay City could be liable for the death of Marvin Schur.

&lt;strong&gt;It was 32 degrees inside Schur&#039;s house when neighbors found his body.&lt;/strong&gt;

It has a review board that sets its standards. Now it could be sued as a result of its policy on limiters and the fact that &lt;strong&gt;it didn&#039;t personally notify Schur about the device.&lt;/strong&gt;
Czuprynski said usually cities can&#039;t be sued, but that might not be the case in the death of the World War II veteran.

Officials in central Michigan say a 93-year-old man who owed more than $1,000 in unpaid electric bills froze to death inside his home -- where the municipal power company had restricted his use of electricity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately , in this case the 93 year old WW11 vet  had caring neighbors however it appears that he may never been notified that his electricity would be shut off. If he did know, perhaps he could have sought help from them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Thread</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnem.com/news/18566890/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnem.com/news/18566890/detail.html</a></p>
<p><strong>WWII Veteran Freezes To Death In Own Home<br />
Bay City Electric &amp; Light Restricted Power To Man&#8217;s Home After Not Paying Bills</strong></p>
<p>UPDATED: 1:44 pm EST January 27, 2009</p>
<p>EXCERPT</p>
<p>BAY CITY, Mich. &#8212; TV5 and WNEM.com has learned about new circumstances surrounding Marvin Schur’s death.</p>
<p>A limiter on Schur’s electric meter is being blamed for the man’s death. <strong>Now Bay City said it will notify customers before their power is shut off.</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Michigan’s Attorney General Mike Cox said Tuesday he would review the case.</p>
<p>One local lawyer said the question remains, who is accountable in this war veteran’s death?  </p>
<p>Ed Czuprynski, a constitutional attorney, said the city could be liable. &#8220;I really think it&#8217;s a disgusting situation and it&#8217;s a shame that Bay City is put beneath this light.&#8221;</p>
<p>Czuprynski said Bay City could be liable for the death of Marvin Schur.</p>
<p><strong>It was 32 degrees inside Schur&#8217;s house when neighbors found his body.</strong></p>
<p>It has a review board that sets its standards. Now it could be sued as a result of its policy on limiters and the fact that <strong>it didn&#8217;t personally notify Schur about the device.</strong><br />
Czuprynski said usually cities can&#8217;t be sued, but that might not be the case in the death of the World War II veteran.</p>
<p>Officials in central Michigan say a 93-year-old man who owed more than $1,000 in unpaid electric bills froze to death inside his home &#8212; where the municipal power company had restricted his use of electricity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately , in this case the 93 year old WW11 vet  had caring neighbors however it appears that he may never been notified that his electricity would be shut off. If he did know, perhaps he could have sought help from them?</p>
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		<title>By: athy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1128070</link>
		<dc:creator>athy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPEN THREAD

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/BREAKING-NEWS-Bodies-Found-in-Wilmington-Home.html

&lt;strong&gt;5 Children, 2 Adults Found Dead in Wilmington Home
 &lt;/strong&gt;

 Tue, Jan 27, 2009

EXCERPT   

&lt;blockquote&gt;WILMINGTON, Calif. -- A man apparently upset about his job situation killed his wife and five children before committing suicide at their home, according to Los Angeles police.

Seven Bodies Found in Wilmington Home

 
Police investigate after the discovery of seven bodies in a Wilmington home.
Responding to a report of a shooting, officers discovered the bodies of a man, woman, 8-year-old girl, two 5-year-old twin girls and two 2-year-old twin boys, according to LAPD Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner.

&quot;He was despondent, clearly, over his job situation,&quot; Garner said of the father.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



This is horrific news.

We need to look out for our family, friends, neighbors and help where we can. 

People need to stick together so we can help each other get through this. 

The feeling of hopelessness and helplessness caused by the present economic conditions can have  deadly repurcussions- even for those young &#039;innocents&#039; who may have no clue as to what is going on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPEN THREAD</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/BREAKING-NEWS-Bodies-Found-in-Wilmington-Home.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/BREAKING-NEWS-Bodies-Found-in-Wilmington-Home.html</a></p>
<p><strong>5 Children, 2 Adults Found Dead in Wilmington Home<br />
 </strong></p>
<p> Tue, Jan 27, 2009</p>
<p>EXCERPT   </p>
<blockquote><p>WILMINGTON, Calif. &#8212; A man apparently upset about his job situation killed his wife and five children before committing suicide at their home, according to Los Angeles police.</p>
<p>Seven Bodies Found in Wilmington Home</p>
<p>Police investigate after the discovery of seven bodies in a Wilmington home.<br />
Responding to a report of a shooting, officers discovered the bodies of a man, woman, 8-year-old girl, two 5-year-old twin girls and two 2-year-old twin boys, according to LAPD Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner.</p>
<p>&#8220;He was despondent, clearly, over his job situation,&#8221; Garner said of the father.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is horrific news.</p>
<p>We need to look out for our family, friends, neighbors and help where we can. </p>
<p>People need to stick together so we can help each other get through this. </p>
<p>The feeling of hopelessness and helplessness caused by the present economic conditions can have  deadly repurcussions- even for those young &#8216;innocents&#8217; who may have no clue as to what is going on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1128053</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding poem!  Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: athy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1128020</link>
		<dc:creator>athy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary M
Thanks for link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary M<br />
Thanks for link.</p>
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		<title>By: athy</title>
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		<dc:creator>athy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful poem Patrick Henry-Thanks for reposting it New Hampster. I missed it the first time.



RE: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Fuel Fed Flames consuming People and Pentagon
Crashing Chaos of Death and Destruction of Life
But Not The Spirit of Liberty..You see The Flag..
Flying Among the bloody Canvas ..of Insanity…&lt;/blockquote&gt;


This two Open Thread items dovetail nicely with the poem...

Can we protect &lt;strong&gt;The Spirit of Liberty&lt;/strong&gt;? Can &lt;strong&gt;The Flag&lt;/strong&gt;continue to represent this value which we hold so dear?


This may depend on how Americans respond to incidents-such as the following:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Obama_accessory_to_war_crimes_0127.html

&lt;strong&gt;Turley: Obama &#039;accessory&#039; to war crimes if no prosecution&lt;/strong&gt;

David Edwards and Ron Brynaert
Published: Tuesday January 27, 2009
 
EXCERPT
&lt;blockquote&gt;
A few weeks ago, George Washington University Constitutional Law professor Jonathan Turley, while appearing on MSNBC&#039;s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, essentially said that the Obama administration would &quot;own&quot; any war crimes -- such as the reported waterboarding of 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- if it chose to look the other way. On Monday&#039;s show Turley went a little further and suggested that if Obama impedes investigations or prosecution that he wouldn&#039;t just be an &quot;apologist,&quot; but also an &quot;accessory&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Liberal_New_York_Times_buries_Rove_0127.html

&lt;strong&gt;Liberal? New York Times buries Rove story on page 23, beneath octuplets&lt;/strong&gt;

John Byrne
Published: Tuesday January 27, 2009

EXCERPT 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Karl Rove has been subpoenaed for a second time -- the first sign that Democrats under President Barack Obama&#039;s tenure will boldly go after Bush Administration officials in scandals that outlast his presidency.

You probably wouldn&#039;t have known it, though, had you read Tuesday&#039;s New York Times. The Times the story with a four sentence Associated Press brief on page 19 of the national edition and page 23 in New York City.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful poem Patrick Henry-Thanks for reposting it New Hampster. I missed it the first time.</p>
<p>RE: </p>
<blockquote><p>Fuel Fed Flames consuming People and Pentagon<br />
Crashing Chaos of Death and Destruction of Life<br />
But Not The Spirit of Liberty..You see The Flag..<br />
Flying Among the bloody Canvas ..of Insanity…</p></blockquote>
<p>This two Open Thread items dovetail nicely with the poem&#8230;</p>
<p>Can we protect <strong>The Spirit of Liberty</strong>? Can <strong>The Flag</strong>continue to represent this value which we hold so dear?</p>
<p>This may depend on how Americans respond to incidents-such as the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Obama_accessory_to_war_crimes_0127.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Obama_accessory_to_war_crimes_0127.html</a></p>
<p><strong>Turley: Obama &#8216;accessory&#8217; to war crimes if no prosecution</strong></p>
<p>David Edwards and Ron Brynaert<br />
Published: Tuesday January 27, 2009</p>
<p>EXCERPT</p>
<blockquote><p>
A few weeks ago, George Washington University Constitutional Law professor Jonathan Turley, while appearing on MSNBC&#8217;s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, essentially said that the Obama administration would &#8220;own&#8221; any war crimes &#8212; such as the reported waterboarding of 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed &#8212; if it chose to look the other way. On Monday&#8217;s show Turley went a little further and suggested that if Obama impedes investigations or prosecution that he wouldn&#8217;t just be an &#8220;apologist,&#8221; but also an &#8220;accessory</p></blockquote>
<p>and&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Liberal_New_York_Times_buries_Rove_0127.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Liberal_New_York_Times_buries_Rove_0127.html</a></p>
<p><strong>Liberal? New York Times buries Rove story on page 23, beneath octuplets</strong></p>
<p>John Byrne<br />
Published: Tuesday January 27, 2009</p>
<p>EXCERPT </p>
<blockquote><p>Karl Rove has been subpoenaed for a second time &#8212; the first sign that Democrats under President Barack Obama&#8217;s tenure will boldly go after Bush Administration officials in scandals that outlast his presidency.</p>
<p>You probably wouldn&#8217;t have known it, though, had you read Tuesday&#8217;s New York Times. The Times the story with a four sentence Associated Press brief on page 19 of the national edition and page 23 in New York City.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Cat in NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat in NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must never forget that day.  Yes, contempt for a group as a whole will just keep us down, but we cannot forgive the groups and governments who orchestrated 9/11.  Quite frankly, I&#039;m tired of being PC.  Sometimes too much liberty is not a good thing.  It seems to be backfiring on us, right on our own soil.  We are being trampled and mocked while our laws are ignored and our values are seen as a dying entity that doesn&#039;t fit everyone&#039;s culture or religion, and must be quashed.  Look what&#039;s happening to Europe ... Obama seems to embrace that kind of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must never forget that day.  Yes, contempt for a group as a whole will just keep us down, but we cannot forgive the groups and governments who orchestrated 9/11.  Quite frankly, I&#8217;m tired of being PC.  Sometimes too much liberty is not a good thing.  It seems to be backfiring on us, right on our own soil.  We are being trampled and mocked while our laws are ignored and our values are seen as a dying entity that doesn&#8217;t fit everyone&#8217;s culture or religion, and must be quashed.  Look what&#8217;s happening to Europe &#8230; Obama seems to embrace that kind of change.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1128001</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You hampster for Putting My Poem up here at No Quarter..It was My of expressing the grief I felt for all those Who Died..and were Injured..I am so Impresssed with the responders..many who lost thier own Lifes..I am impressed at he Great American Will and Spirit  that Brought us through This Event.
.I was Moved to see our flag flying in the middle of that Smoldering rubble..

I Hope that the Hatred that caused that event and all Wars and killing will STOP..Indelogocial..religious and Grred motivated hatred MUST Stop..Gang violence MUST STOP..Spousal and Child Abuse MUST STOP..

Thank you all for Commenting on this Poem and those who took the Time to read it too..

Thanks Susan and Hampster..Love you Both..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You hampster for Putting My Poem up here at No Quarter..It was My of expressing the grief I felt for all those Who Died..and were Injured..I am so Impresssed with the responders..many who lost thier own Lifes..I am impressed at he Great American Will and Spirit  that Brought us through This Event.<br />
.I was Moved to see our flag flying in the middle of that Smoldering rubble..</p>
<p>I Hope that the Hatred that caused that event and all Wars and killing will STOP..Indelogocial..religious and Grred motivated hatred MUST Stop..Gang violence MUST STOP..Spousal and Child Abuse MUST STOP..</p>
<p>Thank you all for Commenting on this Poem and those who took the Time to read it too..</p>
<p>Thanks Susan and Hampster..Love you Both..</p>
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		<title>By: Sassy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Patrick! That is a poignant expression!
I will be forever reminded of the photos of one plane against that blue sky, right before impact. It could be called &quot;beautiful&quot;, but oh what ugliness was revealed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Patrick! That is a poignant expression!<br />
I will be forever reminded of the photos of one plane against that blue sky, right before impact. It could be called &#8220;beautiful&#8221;, but oh what ugliness was revealed!</p>
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		<title>By: Judy L. NC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1127856</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy L. NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick Henry, thanks for sharing this moving piece.  I don&#039;t &quot;get&quot; much modern poetry, didn&#039;t have a clue as to the inaugural poem. . .but I do understand the grief you felt when writing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Henry, thanks for sharing this moving piece.  I don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; much modern poetry, didn&#8217;t have a clue as to the inaugural poem. . .but I do understand the grief you felt when writing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian4Hillary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1127844</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian4Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice poem, I will never forget that day, a terrible tradegy for all!! God Bless their souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice poem, I will never forget that day, a terrible tradegy for all!! God Bless their souls.</p>
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		<title>By: wodiej</title>
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		<dc:creator>wodiej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God Bless America....</description>
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		<title>By: Gary McGowan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/01/27/september-storm-open-thread/#comment-1127777</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary McGowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As this is an open thread...

Just recently, I saw a comment referring to the latest CBS &quot;60 Minutes&quot; report. It had no link. The report is about the potential for a two-state solution for the Israelis and the Palestinians, and it seems to me a very good report.

Here is the link (It&#039;s far from 60 minutes long; I would guess about 15 -- I forgot to note its length.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As this is an open thread&#8230;</p>
<p>Just recently, I saw a comment referring to the latest CBS &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; report. It had no link. The report is about the potential for a two-state solution for the Israelis and the Palestinians, and it seems to me a very good report.</p>
<p>Here is the link (It&#8217;s far from 60 minutes long; I would guess about 15 &#8212; I forgot to note its length.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n</a></p>
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		<title>By: mommakk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mommakk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good poem.Two thumbs UP!!</description>
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