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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/09/the-fierce-urgency-of-pork/#comment-1138984</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question to you is how much of the Kool-Aide did you swallow and whether you left any for the rest of your fellow travelers, dink. Your generalizations are ill-conceived and ill-mannered and your commentary, adolescent and banal.

RRRA, like many regulars here is a member of the loyal opposition. If loyal or opposition is giving you any trouble, I suggest Webster&#039;s online.

And as long as you&#039;re leaving, try some place else to regale with your lack of political knowledge---please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question to you is how much of the Kool-Aide did you swallow and whether you left any for the rest of your fellow travelers, dink. Your generalizations are ill-conceived and ill-mannered and your commentary, adolescent and banal.</p>
<p>RRRA, like many regulars here is a member of the loyal opposition. If loyal or opposition is giving you any trouble, I suggest Webster&#8217;s online.</p>
<p>And as long as you&#8217;re leaving, try some place else to regale with your lack of political knowledge&#8212;please.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you may not call yourself a Republican, but you sure have no problem pushing their talking points and narrative.

so what exactly are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you may not call yourself a Republican, but you sure have no problem pushing their talking points and narrative.</p>
<p>so what exactly are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have discussed the pork - in two previous posts.  Much easier to just gush on in this baseless rant than to actually see what I have written.

Not a hatchet job on Obama - reality.  

And, I&#039;m not a Republican.  Never have been.  But I also don&#039;t blindly toe the line, either.  I think for myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have discussed the pork &#8211; in two previous posts.  Much easier to just gush on in this baseless rant than to actually see what I have written.</p>
<p>Not a hatchet job on Obama &#8211; reality.  </p>
<p>And, I&#8217;m not a Republican.  Never have been.  But I also don&#8217;t blindly toe the line, either.  I think for myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazooka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazooka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice BS hatchet job on Obama. I would expect no less for you to quote Krauthammer, who has been wrong on about everything for the last 8 years and his politics have just about ruined the country. 

1) Where is all the pork in the stimulus bill? Why don&#039;t you tell us exactly what you consider pork? The $17 billion of items you listed in your previous post represented less than 2% of the overall bill and most of it is out now. Not sure if you could even consider most of it &quot;pork&quot;. Roads, bridges, highways, environment, broadband, etc. Is that pork? I guess you could say any government spending is pork. So if that is the case we should just get rid of the government and live in anarchy then?

2) It seems something has happened over the last three months. The economy has fallen off a cliff. We “Hoped” for a change and we got it. We got rid of Bush. However, he handed Obama a crap sandwich and an economy beginning a rapid downward spiral, as he left office. So there is a lot to fear and I would rather have Obama talking about this than a Bush which brushed any talk about a tough economy under the carpet. I think Bush said at one point the economy was doing well, just like McCain said. So I have no problem with Obama being honest about “catastrophe”. It does not contradict his message of change and hope.

3) The guy appointed a few former lobbyists. So what? Out of hundreds that does not sound like a big deal. The reality is that Obama has done more to try and reduce the influence of lobbyist than just about any former president. He took far fewer dollars and had far fewer former lobbyist working in his campaign than either Clinton or McCain. He also set up the strongest rules to ban lobbyist from the Whitehouse than any previous president. And his screening procedure is also the strictest of any before. So what if he gave out a few waviers? It proves that things in Washington are hard to change. At least he is moving in the right direction. Obama is a very fresh change on lobbying versus the Bush admin where the Energy lobbyists wrote Cheneys energy bill and where Abramoff contacted the Whitehouse more than 485 times. The lobbyist and the right-wing think tanks ran the Bush adminstration.

4) Lets give credit to Obama for actually throwing out Daschle once it become clear about his tax issues and potential lobbying. His screening procedure worked. As for Geitner, it could have been an honest mistake. Paying taxes in the job he was in was not obvious and many have made that same mistake. And it is refreshing to hear a president admit that he made a mistake in attempting to bring Daschle into the government.

5) The stimulus bill was not rammed through a Krauthammer infers. It went through the normal process. Congress wrote the first draft, with some actual Republican ideas like a tax cut, then it went to the Senate (senate often re-write bills) where the republicans had the opportunity to be involved. Obama tried to reach out in a bipartisan way like few other Presidents before on this bill, but the Republicans were too busy playing politics. In the end three republicans negotiated the final senate deal. Now the bill goes back and forth between congress and the senate before the president signs. So plenty more opportunity for debate. However, the republicans would rather see Obama fail than for the stimulus to succeed. Sounds like NQ.

Kruthammer says there is &quot;little more than backscratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism...&quot; in the bill? that is complete BS. Why doesn&#039;t he give us some actual examples of this very extreme and BS view. Great he cherry-picks $150 mm for livestock. As I said before less than 2% of the bill are for items that have been disputed and cherry-picked. Not very geniune to complain about a $800 billion bill when you only got less than 2% to complain about and with most of that now out of the bill.

Sure he points out that lobbyist were lobbying, but so what, that is what they do? What is important is if anyone is listening to them! There is no evidence whatsoever that any lobbyist influenced any of the stimulus bill.

Krauthammer actually quotes a no existing comment from the budget office about funds flows in 2011. This is a complete lie. The CBO has said they never issues a report that suggests anything about the timing of the stimulus. Most of the funds will flow in the next 18 months with the 3-4 million of jobs to be created by the end of 2010.

6) This only reason we are even considering this stimulus bill is because of guys like Krauthammer. He and his politics had run this country and this economy into the ground. Without guys like Krauthammer and his influence we would not have had a stimulus in the first place. 

Once again Amy you hope that the crapola is cut out of the bill. Where exactly is all this crapola? Please show me?  You may point to a few things &quot;you&quot; think is crapola, but how much of the total package does that represent?

Here is a copy of the bill as original written. 

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf

Alot of stuff you may think is crapola is out. Show me the crapola and pet projects? 

You just sound like you are just regurgitating the Republican talking points! Makes sense to do this, given your hatred for Obama and you wanting him to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice BS hatchet job on Obama. I would expect no less for you to quote Krauthammer, who has been wrong on about everything for the last 8 years and his politics have just about ruined the country. </p>
<p>1) Where is all the pork in the stimulus bill? Why don&#8217;t you tell us exactly what you consider pork? The $17 billion of items you listed in your previous post represented less than 2% of the overall bill and most of it is out now. Not sure if you could even consider most of it &#8220;pork&#8221;. Roads, bridges, highways, environment, broadband, etc. Is that pork? I guess you could say any government spending is pork. So if that is the case we should just get rid of the government and live in anarchy then?</p>
<p>2) It seems something has happened over the last three months. The economy has fallen off a cliff. We “Hoped” for a change and we got it. We got rid of Bush. However, he handed Obama a crap sandwich and an economy beginning a rapid downward spiral, as he left office. So there is a lot to fear and I would rather have Obama talking about this than a Bush which brushed any talk about a tough economy under the carpet. I think Bush said at one point the economy was doing well, just like McCain said. So I have no problem with Obama being honest about “catastrophe”. It does not contradict his message of change and hope.</p>
<p>3) The guy appointed a few former lobbyists. So what? Out of hundreds that does not sound like a big deal. The reality is that Obama has done more to try and reduce the influence of lobbyist than just about any former president. He took far fewer dollars and had far fewer former lobbyist working in his campaign than either Clinton or McCain. He also set up the strongest rules to ban lobbyist from the Whitehouse than any previous president. And his screening procedure is also the strictest of any before. So what if he gave out a few waviers? It proves that things in Washington are hard to change. At least he is moving in the right direction. Obama is a very fresh change on lobbying versus the Bush admin where the Energy lobbyists wrote Cheneys energy bill and where Abramoff contacted the Whitehouse more than 485 times. The lobbyist and the right-wing think tanks ran the Bush adminstration.</p>
<p>4) Lets give credit to Obama for actually throwing out Daschle once it become clear about his tax issues and potential lobbying. His screening procedure worked. As for Geitner, it could have been an honest mistake. Paying taxes in the job he was in was not obvious and many have made that same mistake. And it is refreshing to hear a president admit that he made a mistake in attempting to bring Daschle into the government.</p>
<p>5) The stimulus bill was not rammed through a Krauthammer infers. It went through the normal process. Congress wrote the first draft, with some actual Republican ideas like a tax cut, then it went to the Senate (senate often re-write bills) where the republicans had the opportunity to be involved. Obama tried to reach out in a bipartisan way like few other Presidents before on this bill, but the Republicans were too busy playing politics. In the end three republicans negotiated the final senate deal. Now the bill goes back and forth between congress and the senate before the president signs. So plenty more opportunity for debate. However, the republicans would rather see Obama fail than for the stimulus to succeed. Sounds like NQ.</p>
<p>Kruthammer says there is &#8220;little more than backscratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism&#8230;&#8221; in the bill? that is complete BS. Why doesn&#8217;t he give us some actual examples of this very extreme and BS view. Great he cherry-picks $150 mm for livestock. As I said before less than 2% of the bill are for items that have been disputed and cherry-picked. Not very geniune to complain about a $800 billion bill when you only got less than 2% to complain about and with most of that now out of the bill.</p>
<p>Sure he points out that lobbyist were lobbying, but so what, that is what they do? What is important is if anyone is listening to them! There is no evidence whatsoever that any lobbyist influenced any of the stimulus bill.</p>
<p>Krauthammer actually quotes a no existing comment from the budget office about funds flows in 2011. This is a complete lie. The CBO has said they never issues a report that suggests anything about the timing of the stimulus. Most of the funds will flow in the next 18 months with the 3-4 million of jobs to be created by the end of 2010.</p>
<p>6) This only reason we are even considering this stimulus bill is because of guys like Krauthammer. He and his politics had run this country and this economy into the ground. Without guys like Krauthammer and his influence we would not have had a stimulus in the first place. </p>
<p>Once again Amy you hope that the crapola is cut out of the bill. Where exactly is all this crapola? Please show me?  You may point to a few things &#8220;you&#8221; think is crapola, but how much of the total package does that represent?</p>
<p>Here is a copy of the bill as original written. </p>
<p><a href="http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary01-15-09.pdf</a></p>
<p>Alot of stuff you may think is crapola is out. Show me the crapola and pet projects? </p>
<p>You just sound like you are just regurgitating the Republican talking points! Makes sense to do this, given your hatred for Obama and you wanting him to fail.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexisM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/09/the-fierce-urgency-of-pork/#comment-1138399</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMFG...that&#039;s awesome.  From now on, it&#039;s definitely &quot;taking a Pelosi.&quot;  Or &quot;what a load of Pelosi.&quot; Or &quot;you can&#039;t shine Pelosi.&quot;  I could go on all night.  &quot;You can polish a Pelosi, but it&#039;s still a Pelosi.&quot; ROFLMAO.  We should have an entire thread dedicated to this.  Great one bert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMFG&#8230;that&#8217;s awesome.  From now on, it&#8217;s definitely &#8220;taking a Pelosi.&#8221;  Or &#8220;what a load of Pelosi.&#8221; Or &#8220;you can&#8217;t shine Pelosi.&#8221;  I could go on all night.  &#8220;You can polish a Pelosi, but it&#8217;s still a Pelosi.&#8221; ROFLMAO.  We should have an entire thread dedicated to this.  Great one bert.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic Ninja Kitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/09/the-fierce-urgency-of-pork/#comment-1138336</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic Ninja Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krauthammer is one of the failures in the MSM who ignored the fraud and encouraged the &#039;hope&#039; and now he claims he was waiting for the glow to fade?  Thanks for NOTHING, Chuck (even though you are correct this time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krauthammer is one of the failures in the MSM who ignored the fraud and encouraged the &#8216;hope&#8217; and now he claims he was waiting for the glow to fade?  Thanks for NOTHING, Chuck (even though you are correct this time).</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dog just took a Pelosi in the front yard, and it stinks.
(I like the euphemism! Thanks, bert! And give ernie my best!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dog just took a Pelosi in the front yard, and it stinks.<br />
(I like the euphemism! Thanks, bert! And give ernie my best!)</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jb---So you&#039;re a juris doc? My hubby was an asst. AG here in Tex for several years. I called him an &quot;Ass AG&quot; back then....Thanks for the link to your web page. It&#039;s impressive! Thanks! And keep up that tremendous work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jb&#8212;So you&#8217;re a juris doc? My hubby was an asst. AG here in Tex for several years. I called him an &#8220;Ass AG&#8221; back then&#8230;.Thanks for the link to your web page. It&#8217;s impressive! Thanks! And keep up that tremendous work!</p>
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		<title>By: No-nonsense-Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/09/the-fierce-urgency-of-pork/#comment-1138205</link>
		<dc:creator>No-nonsense-Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Amy. I can&#039;t believe that our blogs are the only places I&#039;m hearing objections to this stimulus swindle. I don&#039;t hear it from family, friends, or co-workers. It is like silence. I&#039;ve been emailing and faxing my senators and have been outraged about it. My best friend and her husband actually think it is going to erace their taxes. How very sad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Amy. I can&#8217;t believe that our blogs are the only places I&#8217;m hearing objections to this stimulus swindle. I don&#8217;t hear it from family, friends, or co-workers. It is like silence. I&#8217;ve been emailing and faxing my senators and have been outraged about it. My best friend and her husband actually think it is going to erace their taxes. How very sad!</p>
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		<title>By: AlexisM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexisM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this article.  I have been passing it around to all the Kool Aid freaks.  The best line is the last one?  I thought it would take 6 months but it only took 2 weeks.  HAHAHAHHAH.  Can you say the 
bloom is off the rose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this article.  I have been passing it around to all the Kool Aid freaks.  The best line is the last one?  I thought it would take 6 months but it only took 2 weeks.  HAHAHAHHAH.  Can you say the<br />
bloom is off the rose?</p>
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		<title>By: cathnealon</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathnealon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barry
Well, tell your friend that BO will take the whole 75 million for his smoking cessation program and still be on the WH balcony lighting up.</description>
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Well, tell your friend that BO will take the whole 75 million for his smoking cessation program and still be on the WH balcony lighting up.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet:  I wonder what Obie and Meechele are sacrificing?  the stimulus bill is starting to sound like, &quot;Let&#039;s do something even if it&#039;s wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet:  I wonder what Obie and Meechele are sacrificing?  the stimulus bill is starting to sound like, &#8220;Let&#8217;s do something even if it&#8217;s wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaycephus, I can say without any sarcasm that I really admire the wide vision that can conceive of vast projects such as you suggest here.  And in the long run, I think this kind of visionary thinking is essential.

Right now there are more immediate concerns that many of us are worrying about: will I have a place to live in six months?  Will I be able to feed my family?  Will I have anything left in my retirement account?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaycephus, I can say without any sarcasm that I really admire the wide vision that can conceive of vast projects such as you suggest here.  And in the long run, I think this kind of visionary thinking is essential.</p>
<p>Right now there are more immediate concerns that many of us are worrying about: will I have a place to live in six months?  Will I be able to feed my family?  Will I have anything left in my retirement account?</p>
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		<title>By: Janet in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s preaching -- preaching.  I can&#039;t stand it, either.  What is he?  Our Pastor-in-Chief?  And if I hear the word &quot;sacrifice&quot; one more time while he gives away the farm to cronies and fat-cats, I will absolutely lose it.  Thanks for offering a forum for a nice rant, Larry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s preaching &#8212; preaching.  I can&#8217;t stand it, either.  What is he?  Our Pastor-in-Chief?  And if I hear the word &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; one more time while he gives away the farm to cronies and fat-cats, I will absolutely lose it.  Thanks for offering a forum for a nice rant, Larry.</p>
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		<title>By: barry bums a ciggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry bums a ciggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was ranting to a friend about the pork in this stimulus bill and mentioned the $75M program to help people stop smoking. My obot friend actually said &quot;I think it&#039;s a good idea because it&#039;s so hard to stop smoking.&quot;  WTF?! Are people really so up this guy&#039;s arse that they are afraid to think critically?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was ranting to a friend about the pork in this stimulus bill and mentioned the $75M program to help people stop smoking. My obot friend actually said &#8220;I think it&#8217;s a good idea because it&#8217;s so hard to stop smoking.&#8221;  WTF?! Are people really so up this guy&#8217;s arse that they are afraid to think critically?</p>
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