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		<title>By: Uuuugh</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1142406</link>
		<dc:creator>Uuuugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this whole thing makes me so !@%^%#%@! angry! i wish things like this didn't have to even be brought to my attention, it's just more needless frustration with the state of the world loaded on my back. i'm sure there are plenty of people out there feeling the same !@#$ way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this whole thing makes me so !@%^%#%@! angry! i wish things like this didn&#8217;t have to even be brought to my attention, it&#8217;s just more needless frustration with the state of the world loaded on my back. i&#8217;m sure there are plenty of people out there feeling the same !@#$ way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Webterractive</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1140385</link>
		<dc:creator>Webterractive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocotmom only matters because people need to get their attention from all the other gloomy problems out there regarding the recession. The Duggers recieve lot's in government funds, so do John and Kate and their 8. There's a $800+ billion dollar help the banks bill about to be drafted so it's easy to pick on a single mom with 14 kids. No matter how stupid this lady really is it's still sad and it shows how much of cowards, thats right cowards americans are. And FYI this recession is of you coward's doing, not giving life but living yours beyond your means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocotmom only matters because people need to get their attention from all the other gloomy problems out there regarding the recession. The Duggers recieve lot&#8217;s in government funds, so do John and Kate and their 8. There&#8217;s a $800+ billion dollar help the banks bill about to be drafted so it&#8217;s easy to pick on a single mom with 14 kids. No matter how stupid this lady really is it&#8217;s still sad and it shows how much of cowards, thats right cowards americans are. And FYI this recession is of you coward&#8217;s doing, not giving life but living yours beyond your means.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1139641</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
Yes, they're already human beings, not embroynic fetuses, so they are entitled to Life. The point is  RIGHT TO LIFERS should pick up the tab because it's their theologically twisted viewpoint that brought us this disaster-mom! So foot the bill, don't ya and ask your church group to pitch in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
Yes, they&#8217;re already human beings, not embroynic fetuses, so they are entitled to Life. The point is  RIGHT TO LIFERS should pick up the tab because it&#8217;s their theologically twisted viewpoint that brought us this disaster-mom! So foot the bill, don&#8217;t ya and ask your church group to pitch in!</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1139639</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC mediagirl

YES!  LET THE RIGHT-TO-LIFERS PICK UP THE TAB AND START LOVING THE OCTOPLETS WITH SOME MONETARY EFFICIENCY....</description>
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<p>YES!  LET THE RIGHT-TO-LIFERS PICK UP THE TAB AND START LOVING THE OCTOPLETS WITH SOME MONETARY EFFICIENCY&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: barry 0351</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1139258</link>
		<dc:creator>barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems a good way for a minority religion to quickly gain majority.</description>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1139087</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, this woman in no way represents a cause celeb for pro-life or pro-choice. She is not only mentally ill, she believes everything is about her and how it makes her feel. The real problem here is the decision of the doctor and his responsibility. He knew her situation and had implanted her twins and any doctor who prescribes medication or performs a treatment contrary to the health and well being of the patient just because the patient asks is guilty of malpractice and he should be held financially responsible for them the rest of his life. As far as any case in FL, the former governor of the state and the US congress interfered with the treatment of Terri Schiavo and they paid for it since it was clear the majority of people in this country didn't agree with their actions. If you don't want the Catholic Church to be blamed for this behavior, why are you so aggressively defending them? The inequality you say is built in is irrelevant when the person in question is incapable of making a rational decision and this woman falls into that category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, this woman in no way represents a cause celeb for pro-life or pro-choice. She is not only mentally ill, she believes everything is about her and how it makes her feel. The real problem here is the decision of the doctor and his responsibility. He knew her situation and had implanted her twins and any doctor who prescribes medication or performs a treatment contrary to the health and well being of the patient just because the patient asks is guilty of malpractice and he should be held financially responsible for them the rest of his life. As far as any case in FL, the former governor of the state and the US congress interfered with the treatment of Terri Schiavo and they paid for it since it was clear the majority of people in this country didn&#8217;t agree with their actions. If you don&#8217;t want the Catholic Church to be blamed for this behavior, why are you so aggressively defending them? The inequality you say is built in is irrelevant when the person in question is incapable of making a rational decision and this woman falls into that category.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee Sting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bee Sting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet you the doctor used his sperm to implant the octobabies.  OctoDad and OctoMom are sick soul mates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet you the doctor used his sperm to implant the octobabies.  OctoDad and OctoMom are sick soul mates.</p>
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		<title>By: whatshethinkin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138991</link>
		<dc:creator>whatshethinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief! "goggles" not "googles"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief! &#8220;goggles&#8221; not &#8220;googles&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: whatshethinkin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138989</link>
		<dc:creator>whatshethinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meant "too" not "to" in front of "good"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant &#8220;too&#8221; not &#8220;to&#8221; in front of &#8220;good&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: socalannie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138926</link>
		<dc:creator>socalannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me in also.  I think this sick, selfish bitch should have to work 2 jobs for the next 30 years to pay back her parents and the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me in also.  I think this sick, selfish bitch should have to work 2 jobs for the next 30 years to pay back her parents and the state.</p>
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		<title>By: FembotsForObama</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138918</link>
		<dc:creator>FembotsForObama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This woman makes me SICK!  She is the poster mom for irresponsibility and part of what's wrong with our country right now.  The state should take her kids away from her, because she has engaged in a form of child abuse, especially for her (3) disabled children.  Children with Autism do receive SSI benefits, so I would guess this is what they have.  While I wouldn't consider SSI to be welfare, AFDC definitely is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This woman makes me SICK!  She is the poster mom for irresponsibility and part of what&#8217;s wrong with our country right now.  The state should take her kids away from her, because she has engaged in a form of child abuse, especially for her (3) disabled children.  Children with Autism do receive SSI benefits, so I would guess this is what they have.  While I wouldn&#8217;t consider SSI to be welfare, AFDC definitely is.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138913</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't watch the interview beyond a few minutes.  From my experience in mental health I knew where it was going and it was too painful to watch. I do think the state needs to intervene on behalf of the children.  But the mother also needs to stay out of circulation because in her current state she will do everything she can to get pregnant again. She will find another sperm donor and I'm not sure how to prevent that other than long term hospitalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t watch the interview beyond a few minutes.  From my experience in mental health I knew where it was going and it was too painful to watch. I do think the state needs to intervene on behalf of the children.  But the mother also needs to stay out of circulation because in her current state she will do everything she can to get pregnant again. She will find another sperm donor and I&#8217;m not sure how to prevent that other than long term hospitalization.</p>
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		<title>By: susan h</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138886</link>
		<dc:creator>susan h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state mandates driver's tests and licenses to drive but it seems anyone can have a child (or 14 of them) whether competent or not.  My heart goes out to the children.  The mother is definitely in need of serious emotional help.  She is so painful to watch and listen to - she might have been better off getting 14 dogs as they are affectionate to feed her "addiction".  Unfortunately, this story may only get worse as it goes on.  I pray some loving people out there petition to adopt some of the children and that can be facilitated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state mandates driver&#8217;s tests and licenses to drive but it seems anyone can have a child (or 14 of them) whether competent or not.  My heart goes out to the children.  The mother is definitely in need of serious emotional help.  She is so painful to watch and listen to - she might have been better off getting 14 dogs as they are affectionate to feed her &#8220;addiction&#8221;.  Unfortunately, this story may only get worse as it goes on.  I pray some loving people out there petition to adopt some of the children and that can be facilitated.</p>
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		<title>By: whatshethinkin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138868</link>
		<dc:creator>whatshethinkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is - no matter what angle it's looked at - it's not looking to good of an outcome for the kids.  

The 3 kids w/ special needs and the 8 babies no doubt require extra care. Specialists are big bucks. She doesn't have the means to provide that kind of care; therefore, she is dependent on the state to provide that. 

There are two huge obstacles in the way of the babies having a positive developmental outcome:

1. The mother is clearly dependent on the state for care. The state, just like ins., is slow to provide that level of care.

2. The mother is also clearly out-to-lunch as far as not recognizing the harm that she has caused/will cause her 6 kids at home and the 8 preemies. She will most likely gloss over any issues or not recognize them as such because she is wearing alternate universe googles. 

As has been universally suggested, it would most likely be for the best for the state to intervene on these babies' behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is - no matter what angle it&#8217;s looked at - it&#8217;s not looking to good of an outcome for the kids.  </p>
<p>The 3 kids w/ special needs and the 8 babies no doubt require extra care. Specialists are big bucks. She doesn&#8217;t have the means to provide that kind of care; therefore, she is dependent on the state to provide that. </p>
<p>There are two huge obstacles in the way of the babies having a positive developmental outcome:</p>
<p>1. The mother is clearly dependent on the state for care. The state, just like ins., is slow to provide that level of care.</p>
<p>2. The mother is also clearly out-to-lunch as far as not recognizing the harm that she has caused/will cause her 6 kids at home and the 8 preemies. She will most likely gloss over any issues or not recognize them as such because she is wearing alternate universe googles. </p>
<p>As has been universally suggested, it would most likely be for the best for the state to intervene on these babies&#8217; behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieCollier</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138841</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnieCollier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the same message.  She's had a make over in anticipation of her 
(crazy) mom fame.

Expanded story says she has three of the six children have special needs.  At least one is autistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the same message.  She&#8217;s had a make over in anticipation of her<br />
(crazy) mom fame.</p>
<p>Expanded story says she has three of the six children have special needs.  At least one is autistic.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieCollier</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138840</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnieCollier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the same message.  She's had a make over in anticipation of her 
(crazy) mom fame.

Expanded story says she has three of the six children with special needs.  At least one is autistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the same message.  She&#8217;s had a make over in anticipation of her<br />
(crazy) mom fame.</p>
<p>Expanded story says she has three of the six children with special needs.  At least one is autistic.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieCollier</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnieCollier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She says her gift to the children is herself, "completely present".  That's what I'm afraid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She says her gift to the children is herself, &#8220;completely present&#8221;.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m afraid of.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnieCollier</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/10/why-octomom-matters/#comment-1138834</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnieCollier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am one Californian who is hopping mad about this.  One estimate of the hospital bill for this is $2 million and counting.

The numbers just don't add up.  Was she involved in some illegal activity to come up with enough for invitro at a Rodeo Drive clinic?  Something is very, very wrong with the money picture.

I agree.  If you have enough to support a large family well, then it's your life.  But I didn't have enough for more than two so that's what I stuck with.

The woman is a sicko.  I briefly saw an early picture of her with one of the six babies.  No big lips and Angelina nose then.  Ick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am one Californian who is hopping mad about this.  One estimate of the hospital bill for this is $2 million and counting.</p>
<p>The numbers just don&#8217;t add up.  Was she involved in some illegal activity to come up with enough for invitro at a Rodeo Drive clinic?  Something is very, very wrong with the money picture.</p>
<p>I agree.  If you have enough to support a large family well, then it&#8217;s your life.  But I didn&#8217;t have enough for more than two so that&#8217;s what I stuck with.</p>
<p>The woman is a sicko.  I briefly saw an early picture of her with one of the six babies.  No big lips and Angelina nose then.  Ick.</p>
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		<title>By: denise l</title>
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		<dc:creator>denise l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really doubt she was getting less than 500 a month in food stamps. I know a family with 3 kids that gets over 600 per month. I put a woman and 6 kids into several calculators and both were over 800.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really doubt she was getting less than 500 a month in food stamps. I know a family with 3 kids that gets over 600 per month. I put a woman and 6 kids into several calculators and both were over 800.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Will the fact that her food stamp payments totaled a whopping $490 per month finally put to rest the absurd notion that single mothers have more babies to live high on the welfare hog?"&lt;/em&gt;
 

The problem is that most women on welfare simply can't count and have a poor sense of basic economics. Four hundred plus dollars a month for those many mouths to feed is nothing, true. But it's found money in the sense that it's not earned income from doing a job that someone has employed you to do. 

Although raising children is a job, no one asks single mothers to do this job. They have children for their own personal reasons and expect the government to be their paternal benefactor.

The natural inclination to procreate or answer the calling of maternal nature now has to be addressed in the education of children. Basic economics should be taught in elementary school. People who understand these basic principles are less likely to be capricious when it comes to having more children than one can take care of.

This woman lives in a bubble that her parents have enabled. Not only does she not believe she isn't getting welfare, she also doesn't realize that her parents are providing the childcare as well along with paying the bills of shelter, utilities, etc.

I point this out because it's this kind of social dysfunction that plagues poor people on welfare and  perpetuates their behavior. Our condemnation really doesn't penetrate this bubble, it hardens it. That's why the key is to educate kids at the earliest most feasible age.

In the case of Suleman, I find her mental state frightening and wish an evaluation would be imposed on her. Social Services should be called into action for the sake of these kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Will the fact that her food stamp payments totaled a whopping $490 per month finally put to rest the absurd notion that single mothers have more babies to live high on the welfare hog?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The problem is that most women on welfare simply can&#8217;t count and have a poor sense of basic economics. Four hundred plus dollars a month for those many mouths to feed is nothing, true. But it&#8217;s found money in the sense that it&#8217;s not earned income from doing a job that someone has employed you to do. </p>
<p>Although raising children is a job, no one asks single mothers to do this job. They have children for their own personal reasons and expect the government to be their paternal benefactor.</p>
<p>The natural inclination to procreate or answer the calling of maternal nature now has to be addressed in the education of children. Basic economics should be taught in elementary school. People who understand these basic principles are less likely to be capricious when it comes to having more children than one can take care of.</p>
<p>This woman lives in a bubble that her parents have enabled. Not only does she not believe she isn&#8217;t getting welfare, she also doesn&#8217;t realize that her parents are providing the childcare as well along with paying the bills of shelter, utilities, etc.</p>
<p>I point this out because it&#8217;s this kind of social dysfunction that plagues poor people on welfare and  perpetuates their behavior. Our condemnation really doesn&#8217;t penetrate this bubble, it hardens it. That&#8217;s why the key is to educate kids at the earliest most feasible age.</p>
<p>In the case of Suleman, I find her mental state frightening and wish an evaluation would be imposed on her. Social Services should be called into action for the sake of these kids.</p>
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