Nancy Pelosi and her $30 million rats
By Old Grumpy Guy on February 13, 2009 at 6:45 PM in Current Affairs, Democracy, Earmarks, Economic Stimulus, Economy, Nancy Pelosi
This video, featuring Congressman Jack Kingston from Georgia, would be very funny if it wasn’t so scary. In it he talks, among other things, about Nancy Pelosi’s $30 million earmark to save California rats!
For those who are suffering economic hardships, Kingston suggests you go to Los Angeles and borrow some money from these rats, who can be found on Rodeo Drive sporting the latest in designer wear while sipping their cheese-laced decaffeinated lattes.
“They must be some fine looking animals. We don’t just spend money like that on just any old rats…,” he says.
“They probably wear flip-flops and sunglasses as they go to Saucelito for lunch and look out across the bay at Alcatraz and say ‘hey, is that where the Guantonemo prisoners are going to end up?’ Probably not, because that would be an earmark.”
He says there are at least $2 billion in “phantom” earmarks – projects for states that qualify as phantom earmarks because, unlike Pelosi’s earmark for the rats, there are no names attached to them.
He also calls attention to a “non-earmark earmark” to to study profit-making companies in American Samoa!
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Nancy Pelosi cares more about Rats than men , women and Children.
Great line….and, don’t forget, TUNA…ie StarKist, American Samoa money?
By the way, I’ve read over all of the bill and this proposal doesn’t exist.
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1694
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/stimulus-package/pelosi-staff-conservative-talking-point-about-30-million-for-mice-is-fabrication/
If anyone can show me in the bill where this proposal exists, then I’d love to see it. But this is a farce.
No offense to OGG and others who would be offended with such spending, I certainly would, but it is a “phantom”.
And heres the Thomas Archive if anyone wants too look up the legislation to find this passage that supposedly exists.
http://thomas.loc.gov/
You can google nancy pelosi rats and you get nothing other than it is a GOP tall tail. I am obviously going to have to use a new search engine. I am tired of rewarding these enablers.
Then you understand the Congressman’s frustration. WE (all of us) should be able to read the bill before it’s voted on.
What I understand is that this site swallows right wing talking points hook line and sinker without doing any investigative work whatsoever. This is completely false, and Kingston already admitted it.
Well, “Nicely” who the hell knows whether this is in there or not since the Wicked Witch of the West wouldn’t let anyone read it? For all we know her personal feminine products budget is in there too.
That is a big budget Alexis….she seems to be constantly on the rag.
PKJayne…Oh no you didn’t…ROFLMAO!
Nice comment – where are all the Hillary lovers out there who couldn’t complain enough about the ’sexism’ and mysogyny thrown at her – and always blaming Obama or Olberman and Matthews? You are obviously one of them…you do it so well.
Your selective indignation is showing again, toodles. You didn’t come here complaining when That One and his 2-dumb crew were doing a number on HRC and then Palin last year.
I do hope your pay for posting such unmitigated tripe is worth the derision you’ll get.
2-dumb crew. lol!
Well that happens when misogyny is easily used. Nobody should use misogyny as a “war weapon”. The hate is a crime and nobody can commit a crime.
Where the hell were you last year when Hllary, Sarah and women in general were being crapped on? Did you come to our aid??? Yet you want to pretend that you’re offended by posters here (rightfully) insulting that greedy, power-hungry sellout Pelosi??
CHECK YOURSELF.
How can the “wicked witch” prevent anyone from reading the bill?
http://thomas.loc.gov/
the text is available publicly.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1:
or in PDF
http://www.americansolutions.com/directupload/pdf/finalstimulusbill.pdf
Just because Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs don’t read bills doesn’t mean citizens can’t or won’t. It’s only 1000 pages, and searchable.
NicelyDone…you speak as if this site is monolithic and it isn’t.
Take care.
Use AlltheWeb.com for searches. They haven’t partaken of the Kool-Aide, as far as I can discern.
Thanks Ferd ….
I thought the masthead of this site says “tired of spin”? This story is a lie.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/stimulus-package/pelosi-staff-conservative-talking-point-about-30-million-for-mice-is-fabrication/
How did this one get going? Yesterday a House Republican leadership staffer circulated a background email, which I obtained, charging that GOP staffers had been told by an unnamed Federal agency that if it got money from the stim package, it would spend “thirty million dollars for wetland restoration in the San Francisco Bay Area — including work to protect the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse.”
The GOP staffer’s email didn’t say what agency it was. It didn’t say the money was actually in the package — just that an unnamed agency had said they would spend it on that if they got it.
But conservatives picked up the claim and began stating as fact that the mouse money was in the bill. On Fox News yesterday, Mike Huckabee blasted the bill for containing money for Pelosi’s mouse, and today GOP Rep Dan Lundgren hammered the alleged mouse money in the bill as “absurd.” Today’s Washington Times ran with a story called: “Pelosi’s mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese.”
But I just contacted the House GOP staffer who wrote the initial email laying out this talking point, and he conceded that the claim by conservative media that the mouse money is currently in the bill is a misstatement. “There is not specific language in the legislation for this project,” he said.
The $30 mm story is a complete lie. Another example of how the Republicans are just playing politics with the entire stimulus package. The Republicans do not really care about coming up with real solutions for the economy. Why should they care, they created the problem.
Utter BS. First if you care about the economy, we COULD do something that actually stimulates the economy, IF that is required, which is something we might take the TIME to debate, first. You do realize that we are now doing the EXACT things that Japan did at the beginning of their Lost Decade, which is now in it’s 18th year, and WE don’t have the SAVINGS Japan had. Of course you hear the completely asinine argument that ‘Japan didn’t do enough, quickly enough.’ The really sad thing about that is WE would have to spend about $15 TRILLION to equal what Japan spent in their misguided stimulus binge.
IF you think stimulus is good then…
One of the things that might actually stimulate the economy THIS year instead of in TWO YEARS, is tax rebate checks. Studies have shown that a majority of the rebate checks from 2001 and 2008 were spent within six months, NOT over TWO years like this current plan. (The current plan calls for 3% to be spent within the first year, and 17% total spent by the end of the second year. So in two years, 83% has yet to be spent? And the tax-cut portion is a reduction in withholding of an average of $13 or less over a couple of years? Does that make any sense in light of the HURRY UP mantra?)
In what way did Republicans ‘create the problem’? Was it all that deficit spending?? So the problem was deficit spending, and the solution is DOUBLE the deficit spending? Maybe it was ALL the Republicans fault, assuming you can make a case that they were able to command the Fed to force interest rates low, and that they twisted the arm of the SEC to increase the leverage limits of the five largest lending institutions, and so on, BUT the Democrats have had the reins for the last two years! Did they put the brakes on Fannie and Freddie? Did they pass any regulations? Did they raise any alarms? Did they decry mortgage insanities at all? Just the opposite. Almost like they WANTED all this to happen.
And how do you excuse Obama’s lying? How do excuse his blatant fearmongering, just to get this passed before anyone can read it? What’s his deal with choosing tax-cheats and lobbyists, despite his empty promises to bring ‘change’?
And then we have tax-cheat Geitner saying we’re going to boldly ‘try things that haven’t been tried before’… without actually coming up with any concrete data on what that might be. THAT is the dumbest thing he could have done. Businesses need to have at least a fair idea of what the future holds, of what tax liabilities will be, of what monetary policies will be, or they don’t have the confidence to start new things, build new factories, etc.
To be somewhat fairer to Democrats, they, the Republicans, and everyone on Wall Street have been brainwashed to believe the Federal Reserve would prevent anything like this from happening. The whole credit collapse is due to the housing bubble that was created on purpose by the Fed as they blindly followed Keynesian consumer-spending theory, so all the relevant politicians AND bankers were just doing their part in the ‘plan’. None of the Keynesian idiots predicted what happened, so how people can trust their prescription, which always seems to be “twice as much government spending as you actually spent” is beyond me. So if this doesn’t work, the Keynesian response is always, “You should have spent more.” That’s what Krugman is already saying.
There are already signs that a recovery may be in progress, and you can find that some economists are predicting recovery inside of a year or two. So the rush to pass this thing is partly to escape scrutiny and debate, despte Obama’s promises or openess, but it is also to get ’something’ done that can be pointed to as the ’cause’ of the recovery. Of course if a recovery begins now, and only 3% of this stimulus is spent within the first 12 months, that will be a HARD case to make. Well, it would be without a slobberingly sycophantic press.
But what happens if we have a decent recovery that tanks again right when this ’stimulus’ really starts to be spent in TWO years? The CBO has said that the net effect of this spending bill will be NEGATIVE, not positive, and that it would be better to do nothing at all as opposed to this particular bill. In any case, we will STILL have to face up to a tremendous debt that will have to be paid, necessitating serious tax hikes on more than just the ‘rich’, especially since they don’t particularly pay all that much percentage-wise anyway, with all methods available to shield income. Ask around. It’s easy for the rich to reduce tax-liability, and the higher the rates go, the more rich politicians like Pelosi and Wrangel will create ways to shield their income from the IRS.
Marie, the legislation doesn’t refer directly to the mouse, but $30Bil is set aside for wetlands restoration which is the habitat for it and Pelosi has pushed for it’s protection many times in the past. The real question is how will thirty billion dollars for wetlands restoration help create jobs? The problems with the economy flow from the housing and banking crisis so why is congress trying to address other issues at this point? Open your eyes and you’ll see the truth. Even Obama has agreed this is a spending bill and his argument that any ole spending will fix the economy is specious. This began as a “stimulus” package, but as of the final rewrite, the average working American will receive about $10/wk in tax cuts. No one is going to be receiving a check in the mail and those who are losing their homes to foreclosure will not receive help. Later this year, another balloon payment will be due on other toxic loans and with so many out of jobs and barely able to make their mortgage payments now, there will be a flood of new foreclosures in the near future. Instead of turning the economy around, this bill of almost $800Bil will be added to an already over leveraged debt. China owns 20% of our national debt now. Borrowing more from them or from Japan (16%) or just printing more money will cause inflation and we will be unable to pay back the debt. This is a very bad idea. Republicans are making sure their fingerprints are not on this bill and the Democrats have no choice but to go along with Reid and Pelosi. This bill is a very bad idea right now.
elise…what a great post. Pearls before swine….
“$30Bil is set aside for wetlands restoration which is the habitat for it and Pelosi has pushed for it’s protection many times in the past.”
Yes, and this doesn’t exist in the bill.
Sorry truthtell, that should be $30mil. How do you know it’s not included in the bill? The California Costal Conservacy requested this money in the original bill. The spokesperson clamimed it was for “shovel ready” projects and was to be set up by the Army Corps of Engineers, but would include protection of the habitat for the Salt Marsh Mouse. In all fairness, he claimed it would create 100 new jobs and I have looked at some of what is available on the Internet, but it’s hard to find specific projects.
May I ask you a question please? Do you believe this bill is designed for what we are being told is it’s intended purpose? To address the fundalmental crisis? I’ve noticed you often take one part of a comment and attack it agressively while ignoring the basic idea.
“How do you know it’s not included in the bill?”
Because I just did an OCR on the whole PDF and scanned it for all key words related to marsh, coastal conservancy etc, not in there.
You can get the bill online. H.R. 1 for 2009.
If anyone can point out where it is in the bill, fine, but people are talking in circles based on hearsay.
“Do you believe this bill is designed for what we are being told is it’s intended purpose?”
Besides being irrelevant to this thread…no I don’t believe in this bill in the first place.
“I’ve noticed you often take one part of a comment and attack it aggressively while ignoring the basic idea.”
The basic idea? The basic idea of this thread is bogus. I won’t call it a lie, but it is certainly not true either. It has already been dismissed yet people are talking in circles about a meme.
What “basic idea” in this thread am I ‘ignoring’?
I don’t support “stimulus” bills, or bailouts, or other government actions like this. What is it you’d like to know outside of that?
What I do know is that it isn’t hard to read this bill if you want to, and people are talking about hearsay. Just because Jack Kingston or some other ranter, from either Democrats or Republicans say something from the House Floor doesn’t make it so.
What else?
“The spokesperson clamimed it was for “shovel ready” projects and was to be set up by the Army Corps of Engineers,”
Which spokesperson?
truthtell, the spokesperson for the California Coastal Conservancy, an agency established in the 1970s to restore the salt marshes in the bay area and which brought the salt marsh harvest mouse into the endangered species list. Since it is federally protected land, the Army Corps of Engineers is in charge of any work done there.
This post is not about that mouse and I’m surprised you are so linear in your thought processes. This post is about the spending bill, it’s possible abuses and whether or not the American people have been had. This is the basic idea I referred to and my opinion. I am not OT.
I did not post a comment based on ignorance of what the bill contains, because I have read as much as I could without being sick. And, NO, I didn’t see a specific reference to a mouse, but I did see the following from MSNBC:
Then where did the $30 million figure come from, if it’s not in the bill? It turns out that $30 million is the total amount that the California Coastal Conservancy, a state agency, recommended more than a month ago to numerous federal agencies looking for lists of “shovel ready” projects as part of the stimulus bill planning
I realize you cannot prove such a provision doesn’t exist in the bill since nothing specific is listed and I can’t find the $30mil appropriation I saw yesterday (I’m going to keep trying). However, IMO, you are unnecessarily aggressive. You have a habit of telling people here what they should or should not say or discuss. You may imagine yourself as someone who is always truthful, but it is your truth. It is more profitable to be a TRUTH SEEKER and a little humility wouldn’t hurt either.
You are SO ass-backwards wrong that you need a map to point you to the truth.
BOTH parties are responsible for this economic mess.
The powere elite in BOTH parties set the stage for the coming complete economic collapse of the United States about two decades ago. (Because you can’t be stupid enough to believe that the “stimulus” package is going to be enough to stave off the coming Depression!) The few remaining decent Democrats & Republicans who are fighting for the survival of the United States are severly outnumbered by the pigs.
Yet idiots like yourself are so far behind the game that you don’t know that this is not a party fight anymore. It hasn’t been for some years now. Which is why the power elite are getting over on the dumb American sheep like they are. They can distract morons like you by claiming that “partisan bickering” is the cause for our endangered economy.
Which is why many here (myself included) don’t belong to either evil party anymore.
A lie? The GOP would never have time to confirm whether or not it was in there. The final draft was released at midnight, roughly 8 hours before the House started to vote. No one read the damn thing. For all we know, they could have pulled it out in the last minute. Republicans were not allowed to attend the meetings.
Dems always complained the Republicans were so controling, but Pelosi reversed House rules destroying procedural rules that have been around for 100 years. Dems were the minority before 2006 but the Rebublicans allowed them to participate and suggest their own ideas. Under Queen Pelosi, all that changed. The “Deer Caught in Headlights” has all the power now. So much for our Republic. Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grave.
You have no proof to back up what you say. I suggest you read those 1100 pages yourself to find how wonderfully they spent close to 1 Trillion dollars. At least you will have something on the people of the Capital, They had to quickly vote on it so Queen Pelosi could fly on a Gov jet to go on her 8 day vacation to Italy and see the Pope. I wish the Pope would turning her over his knee. Frankly, she should be ex-communicated. I’m ashamed to call her Catholic.
Enjoy your new government,….NEOMARXISM. But remember, with the Gov hand-outs comes control. Enjoy being a sheep. The next thing on their agenda, the Fairness Doctrine then the destruction of the Second Amendment. If you wipe out free speech, desent, and then the guns; you have nothing to worry about.
What exactly is false? That Nancy Pelosi was responsible for it? That it doesn’t exist? That there are not $2 billion in phantom earmarks?
It doesn’t exist, OGG. But I don’t blame you for the fabrication…maybe for publishing it without fact checking it, but that happens. I do know there are unnecessary spending measures wrapped up in this bill. So on that overall tact, this bill is flawed or unnecessary.
But I’ve fact checked this whole bill and there is no such provision in it.
I’d be glad to have someone show where it exists in the bill now that we have the final version…or even show where it existed in a draft version. And I don’t want hearsay, rhetoric, or floor speeches, text sources, from the Senate, House, or committees will do.
http://www.americansolutions.com/directupload/pdf/finalstimulusbill.pdf
Please show me where such language or proposal exists and I’ll retract my comments. I’ve already scanned it with OCR and searches and nada.
As I pointed out elsewhere in this thread, it is spiritually true! Truthiness trumps trivia.
PS Sorry we couldn’t meet up on your visit to the art museum. Give me more advance warning next time.
I know good and well, an asshole who’s party just flushed our future, and our economy down the tolet is not coming on here, being snarky and nit pciky about a bill no one has read. The masthead on this site may be willing to “wait ans see and put up with your billshit, but i’m not! So i suggest you sit your behind down and shut the hell up.
Well mouse or not, there is plenty of other stupid shit in this bill. Mice are good at hiding anyway. It’s probably in there hidden behind some other piece of cheese…who in the hell would know that it isn’t?? Do you really think anyone has read over 1000 pages of that pork? Get real!
With hundreds of thousands of Americans losing their jobs every month and a terrifying contraction in demand, frankly I don’t care about pork. Just get people working! That’s basic Keynsianism, basic Democratic values in how to respond to an economic crisis. We’re not in ordinary times here.
This “who has read the bill” talking point is rubbish too, especially coming from the right. Did they let anyone stop to read the Patriot Act? The Medicare bill? What a laugh.
Go drink some more Kool Aid.
eat some more crow!
can’t, it’s not on my menu…
Oh yes, the Republicans did it, so the Democrats need to do it, too. Everybody does it. You’re crazy if you don’t!!
Strange. This has an odd echo from Larry Doyle’s essay this morning:
“Cheaters Never Win”
You might read it StPaulite. Time to give up childish things. And stupid arguments.
Because we’ll all be standing on the same street corner thanks to this idiotic raiding of the country’s nonexistent coffers.
Get your tin cup out and wear your warm boots. It’s going to be a long, hard winter.
How can you defend the fact that the only housing relief was eliminated?
What you trolls don’t get is that you will be the ones eating massive “crow” when this Bacon Bill tanks like the chunk of lard that it is and you don’t get the pitiful free ride you are looking for. How dare you? It’s our taxpaying dollars you sheep…we deserve to read it and know what’s in it. Kind of shows your IQ that you think we should just let the criminals in Pelosi the Porker’s Congress (at a whopping 11% approval rating) pass the bill that dictates how we spend our money. No wonder you voted for B-Crack!
So two “rights” (in the sense that the Ds are acting the same way the Rs did) don’t make a wrong in your opinion?
StPaulie, do you think it was a good idea for Republicans to pass the Patriot Act without allowing time for congress to read and understand what it contained? It’s a childish argument to say because they did it, it’s ok if we do it.
These bots only think in terms of tit-for-tat. That their gotcha attitude is ultimately a self-inflicted wound to their foot does not cross their vacuous minds.
But that is exactly how many Obama supporters justified their roughhouse tactics in getting Obama elected — it was vengeance against the last two ’stolen’ elections. They viewed the Bush administration as corrupt (which it was), so they felt ‘no one could blame them’ for pulling out all the stops this time.
In some people’s view, two wrongs did make a right.
In terms of division, there isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference between Bush and his bots and That One and his. They are both extremist and reactionary, two very bad traits when combined into a cult of personality.
And how did the Patriot Act work out for you? There’s a reason for old saws like haste makes waste – especially the Washington kind.
No, No … Nancy said that 500 MILLION Americans are losing their jobs a month …. and you expect that we don’t believe that this “I have a plane to catch for my absolution” woman isn’t hiding rats in a bill to screw the middle class? 4gedabodit.
Good point wodiej
This story was already exposed as a lie. Twice on TV, once in my local newspaper.
Do you check on the veracity/accuracy of these postings or just accept talking points from Sean, Rush, Coulter and O’reilly?
yes, we agree, the stimulus bill is a big lie.lmao
psst CSpan airs what is happening live in the House and Senate….spread it around. lol
Who exactly exposed it as a lie? The completely unbiased and objective Keith Olbermann?
You believe obama when he says the bill has no ear marks, and that he craps gold nuggets, and that michelle obama is trendy. The way I see it, obots can kiss my generouse ass and rot in hell. you believe the bullshit you want to we can believe ours.
I think “Old Grumpy Guy” needs to get laid. Christ for anyone to be quoting Jack Kingston! C’mon, No Quarter, you can do better than this. This piece is hack Republican bullshit!
Methinks they call you Lil’ Mike for a reason.
It’s so drearily predictable how small minds always resort to accusations of sexual inadequacy. Are you speaking from personal experience “Lil Mike”? Why are you called Lil Mike, Lil Mike? Because of the size of your brain, or something else?
lmao
He has two little acorns in his nut sac.
and the squirrel ran away with his prick!
Amazing. Love his revelations.
I like how he mentions another non earmark earmark that is to study the profit making ability of private industries in the Northern Mariana Islands and American Somoa. As he points out again, he’s sure this is not an earmark, but he wonders who put that in? Could it have anything to do with Nancy Pelosi and her big special interest StarKist, with whom she and her husband have a close relationship and has done many other earmarks and favors for, like putting a clause in the new min wage hike, that American Samoa is exempt from this min wage. Because that is where StarKist has moved their major operations?…Starkist, in Nancy Pelosi’s district, with whom she has done many a favors for, including that her husband has business interest and 17 milliion dolars in shares in StarKist.
Great Stimulus bill.
Typical of NQ. Publishing and pushing unsubstantiated facts and promoting Republican talking point lies. All to push the anti-Obama agenda.
Why don’t the supposive featured bloggers on this site actually do some real research and journalism, like most other sites that claim to be a site about politics. Why don’t these featured bloggers here actually pick up the phone and actually find out the real facts on the issues they report on. NQ wants to be voted as a real and important politcal site, but they really do no real original research and analysis. It is a real amateur hour.
All you get here is a rehash of right-wing items. No confirmation of whether anything is actually accurate.
you wrote “Typical of NQ. Publishing and pushing unsubstantiated facts and promoting Republican talking point lies.”
ROFLMAO
Gee, what part. The video of CSPAN recording the House Floor debate….or him reading and talking about what is in the stimulating “stimulus” HUGE (wink wink) spending bill?
Gosh, Julie. How would you know what’s substantiated or not?
NQers are right. The bots are going wild! Always know when something fishy is going down when they crawl out of their burrows and caves.
I do hope you are being paid well to embarrass yourself, snookums.
Evening Ferd! Nice to see you around sir!
Good evening, PK. Nice to see you, too.
The bots are certainly a testy tonight, aren’t they? I guess it has to do with them getting up on the wrong side of life and wanting to take it out on someone.
Good Lord this is officially Botfest 2009! We could sell tickets to this affair. Buttloads of Bots committing acts of lunacy because their boss is being exposed for the jizzbrain he is.
lmao It could be billed as BOTAPALOOZA! 2009
Maybe a bill should be passed to tax the hell out of Cheetos.
I think we should tax dirty tee shirts and body odor..and long straggly hair..
BOTAPALOOZA?
Haahahahhahahahahha – Maybe Cher will be the opening act? Then Springsteen. We’ll make a fortune on Kool Aid, Crack and Cheetos!
lmao I want in on the action…….who says capitalism is DEAD?
BOTSTOCK!!!
Don’t drink the brown kool-aid, man….
HAHHAHHAHHAH Botstock. LMFAO.
Bots–aren’t those the annoying little green flies that frequent fields of cattle flop?
Botest 2009–get your pile of hot, steaming crap right here.
Botest = Botfest.
Thanks Ferd.
As part of the fun there could be a botest as well. Just a thought.
LMAO…The Botest at the Botfest. Soooo funny.
What sorts of words can one make with bo and/or bot?
botulism-a disease that counts 69,000,000 among the aflicted.
I like Bottocks….the place on Obama’s body where all the Bots put their lips!
Well, Nancy Pelosi does love her BOTox…..
LMFAO…I bet she gets BOTox in her BOTtocks too!
Perhaps you’d prefer the Huffington Post?
What exactly is not true about what he had to say? And why was he not contradicted in Congress if it was all nonsense? Or is this just another knee-jerk response from an Obot?
Have you looked at this bill Julie? Could it be that you are the one accepting talking points from the other side without checking your facts. I have looked at the bill and the allocations are vague, set dollar limits and then more or less allow the agancy or state to make a decision where the money will be spent. Conservation of wetlands could be anything including for the poor little mouse. The mouse isn’t the esential point. Take a look at the actual bill decide where you think the money will go, whether it will benefit the economy in the long run and ease the housing and banking crisis.
Cripes, the trolls are enmasse this evening. Must be scared….
You know, they should have stopped reacting and started ACTION.
If they did’t just drink BOberry Koolaid, they would have realized they just gave so much amunition to the Republicans because of what IS in this Stimulus.
Sure, they can pass it without giving time to read it and no support from Republicans, but once this bill is passeed, we all get to talk about everything they put in it for years and years to come.
Wowzah! There are like 1,000 trolls out tonight. Worried much? Your party and bogus American Idol Wannabe Prez are in the crapper? I’d be worried too! Good luck with that!
It may be the last hurrah!!!!!
There falling on their swords as we speak. Bite us trolls!
Barry sent his little trolls out because he is campaining already.
He only sends those losers and buffoons out, and usually in pairs, when he’s in trouble. We must have scored big today somehow.
The bots who come here to annoy us are the morons with IQs hovering around 50. All the others are in DC
workingspinninglying for That One.Hey it’s Ferd-the-Troll-Slayer! You’re hysterical.
I do try to look on the bright side, you know. Without the bots to laugh and sneer at, this entire situation with That One and his army of the
living deadwalking brainless would be almost unbearable.All that hope and change kind of gets you choked up, doesn’t it Ferd?
Ferd, what a great way to think of it. The Bots are straight out of a George Romero movie. ROFLMAO. Night of the Living
DeadBots!For sure. They are scarier than Dick Cheney and I can’t believe I’m saying that but what the hell–it’s true.
The Pod People are among us again. I was just beginning to get over the nightmare I described in my Youtube video on the subject. Are they still breeding?
Help!
And what is Paris Hilton doing to save us?
She’s taking them home for a sleep-over.
For all we know Paris Hilton actually wrote the Crap Sandwich Oink Bill. She probably has a bigger IQ than those involved.
With or without jimjams? (That’s Britspeak for pajamas)
You’re right and I am depressed.
I don’t think it really ever occurred to her to consider that kind of option. LMAO
Good Lord, thinking of Paris Hilton writing the Bacon Bill while Nekkit? Ughhhh…I need a drink.
I did warn everyone that we were in nightmare territory
Why is it I keep thinking of “No Exit”?
I’m curious why he’s in Chicago this weekend … couldn’t get a room in Phoenix to watch the NBA All Star game or afraid that he wouldn’t be the biggest draw? hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Funny not one comment about the lie at Catterpillar where he talked about the 22,000 jobs coming back. How many of the millions of jobs are lies as well. I feel so bad for all of the Americans who are believing this crap. Can you just imagine the backlash when it comes?
beebop a very close friend of mine said the same thing…..Her husband is in management at Caterpillar in Illinois and she said that announcement would surprise the hell out of her husband.
But then again it wasn’t true.
The young representative barky tried to shame into voting for the sham said on the floor today before the vote that thousands of the calls, emails, etc he got from people urging him to vote NO were from folks from Catterpillar … so much for the greatest snowjob on earth!
I welcome the backlash. It’s about time America wins a round, as opposed to the criminal piece of crap in DC.
Got this from Hillbuzz. Keep slaying.
Thanks for the update Winston!
Winston you rock!
What a great story. America…what a country!
Of course though, this simply means that every worker at Catterpillar obviously must hate black people…./snark
This oughta make the NRA happy:
Democrats Use “Stimulus” as Cover for More Gun Control
http://thevoice.name/?p=13599
Thank God they’re the ones with all the guns!
Not in this house.
And I took gun lessons from an experienced Arizona Border Patrol Agent.
I doubt they’d fire a gun. They might miss you and hit a Salty Marsh Mouse instead.
They might miss you and hit a Salty Marsh Mouse instead.
ROFLMAO!
lmao Alexis
Mmm! Salty marsh mouse – sounds quite appetizing. Perhaps our Nancy is trying to save the critters and habitat in order to go into business for mass production. Then when we can’t afford hamburgers any more she can make a bundle on supplying mouseburgers or mousekebabs. Just rent “Never Cry Wolf” and watch. It will give you a good idea of what we are in for! The crunch of mouse bones is not too attractive.
MOmule…Well, lots of people here have brought up “Soylent Green” – you know, the movie in which the government is feeding people PEOPLE. ROFLMAO. I would just love, if that happens, to get a little femur of Pelosi in my bowl of gruel.
Not much in the way of meat there. Besides, that crap would rot your pipes.
Of course, then you get into the issue of white meat versus dark meat. (With apologies in advance to anyone I may have unintentionally offended–but I could not resist.)
Well, then, wouldn’t we be eating UBM? The original white meat? Nasty.
The Bacon Bill passed. It’s the end, literally of America, and filthy dirty disgusting loser Obama the asshole just won. I’m leaving this country. I swear it. I hope everyone here with families, children, businesses, etc. does the same. It’s over for us. Welcome to Soviet Russia kids.
LMAO
That is a nauseating thought.
With respect to the passing of this bill–I don’t know what the future holds but I am glad I live in small-town America, that is for sure.
I’m sad Ferd. I hate to be Madame Doom and Gloom but I think this is really bad news. I just do. I hate these leftie pieces of crap.
AlexisM – What makes you think that Nancy is going to be in the gruel before you? She will be preserved by Botox, while we who frequent websites such as this will be in the pot tout de suite! Don’t expect anything so polite and thoughtful as Soylent Green either. At least Edward G. Robinson went out lying on a couch watching a screen of beautiful scenery with Beethoven’s Pastorale wafting into his ears, before being ground into biscuits. I suspect we will be forced to listen to BO’s favorite hip hop and shots of brushing our dirt off his shoulder.
It seems as though the Obots are feeling their oats this evening…what with Barry WINNING and all.
OGG! Wow! You hit a home run. I was beginning to think the bots had OD’d on hopium and couldn’t find their keyboards. They’ve been so quiet lately. You sure riled them…they’re especially insulting tonight. Congrats.
That is my mission in life Annie – that and to spread civilization and culture to the great unwashed hordes
Actually when I heard about this the other day, I posted a comment saying it was 30billion…oh well, billion, million it’s all relative, right? $30 million is correct.
It just does not matter to me if it is a bill that follows democratic ideas or republican ideas. I want to know that Congress is working differently from the way it did for so long under W.
ONE of the (many) reasons I, a person who had voted Democrat since ‘72, voted for McCain is that I wanted a difference between the Administrative branch and the Legislative branch of the government. I wanted checks and balances. I want my Congressmen to really do their jobs, to actually read what they are signing into law. Gosh, what a concept!
And don’t give me this crap about how O tried to be bi-partisan. That is crap since it is NOT bi-partisan to expect someone to keep the name Republican and then ask him/her to act like a Democrat. It takes compromise in the sense of give and take, not compromise in the sense of giving up one’s heartfelt beliefs.
Many on both sides gripe and complain about those people who unknowingly got themselves into strange house loans and then lost their homes. We know “we” wouldn’t have signed without first checking everything out. Well, guess what, I don’t trust a Congressman of either party any more than I now trust someone trying to sell a home loan. I want to know what we’re getting into since I, UNLIKE MANY CONGRESSMEN LATELY, am paying my taxes.
So don’t tell me it’s a Republican ploy asking to have time to read when the Dems should have read the Patriot Act and didn’t. ETC.
I don’t buy O’s fear mongering any more than I bought W’s after 9/11.
Is there a country in the world where I might feel sensible people are running the government? If so, please let me know so I can make plans to move. This is no longer the America I know.
I am seriously considering Canada, since a lot of business will be moving there anyway.
Mexico is warmer ….
You can always get warmer… Layers
but you can’t always get cooler
Mexico is collapsing and Canada is becoming several countries within one country.
Mexico might be very, very hot if the Cartels overthrow the lame government. Heard on L. Dobbs tonight that 12,000 a month are returning to Mexico because their jobs here have dried up. So be it.
Thanks for the tip.
No problem.
Harp…Most of my family’s friends gave up a long time ago, and either retired early or took their business elsewhere. A lot to Toronto. We might all have to go there. My favorite quote ever was when someone here said, after the end of America on November 4, Mexico and Canada better be worried about their borders! LMFAO. Let’s leave them all here with no one to pay for their OINK OINK OINK welfare bailout pig fat crappy bill.
There will be government jobs and the call centers are moving back. But if you want to manufacture something or make money, it may be time to move along. The last business person out? Please turn off the lights.
The last business person out? Please turn off the lights.
ROFLMAO!
Wait until they figure out that boosting taxes on booze and cigarettes won’t make up the short fall … won’t that surprise everyone?
yeah beebop those sin taxes are already paying for stadiums around the country…….
You can only tax cigarettes and alcohol so much before demand drops off.
I guess we won’t have any more of that kind of sin then…
That’s the thing. Gouging the people who pay taxes — whether they are the businesses who produce or the people who gamble, smoke, etc. — only works until the consumption stops …. gee. Doesn’t that kind of sound a little bit like where we find ourselves right now?
I don’t think we need worry about consumption of the alcohol and ciggies drying up. The mob will simply step up hijacking and people will buy on the black market…which should be heating up about now.
I remember a successful business person (post WWII immigrant) telling me how their family of 6 survived in Europe during the war selling bolts of cloth on the black market. I think we’ll begin to see more barter. Maybe I should stock up on cigarettes to trade…except I don’t know anyone around here who smokes.
I smoke Annie. But just to screw Obama I might quit.
Good luck. I wish. I thought about it a few years back, but then realized how much more difficult it it, especially as we get older. You lose points as we get older, and you better have a skill with college. They want to make sure you can give before taking, put in enough years of productiviy-I guess.
Are we going easier on Jack Kingston if we assume he really believes there’s 30 million dollars of Pelosi mouse money in the stimulus package, or if we assume he knows this is total mouse sh-t?
That item is about mice just like womens’ reproductive health care funding was about giving away condoms and hybrid vehicle funding was about golf carts.
Anyone who believes there’s a 30 million dollar mouse program hidden somewhere in the recovery package is beyond all hope.
As far as I can find, the only ones harping about a program hidden in the bill are the apologists saying that Republicans lied about a program hidden in the bill.
All the news reports I’ve found say that Republicans asked the departments slated to receive the money what they actually had plans to spend it on. In this case, there is an existing plan to do the wetlands restoration, one of the purposes of which being to ’save’ this mouse.
SO YES, ’stimulus’ money will be spent on a mouse. With the amount of money involved, this is likely to be the tip of the iceberg on what excrement-headed foolishness this gets spent on.
Thanks for playing. Here’s your sign.
Interesting reactions to this post. My feeling is that even if every fact turned out to be incorrect – and only someone who has had an impartial read of the bill and has no political bias could determine that – what Kingston had to say would nevertheless be spiritually true, if not totally factually true. Spiritual truth is the greater of the two. We all know that Nancy Pelosi is capable of sponsoring a bill to save rats. And we all know that Pelosi and her gang are not only capable of stuffing the bill with pork, but can be counted on to try.
OGG you are 100% correct. That Bill is crap no matter what and Pelosi is just plain evil and Anti-American.
Nancy Pelosi is capable of sponsoring a bill to save rats
Uh … probably the people Barry was speaking to when he referred to the people in Ohio and Pennsylvania as bitter God luvin’ gun clingers who don’t like people different then them ….
We have a winner!!! The Stephen Colbert Award goes to OGG. The news doesn’t have to be FACTUALLY true, only SPIRITUALLY true. Great.
Yeah, this is a site to be taken very seriously. Ohhhh, I’m impressed.
Are you speaking out of truthiness marie?
I have a feeling that the obots have all had a humor bypass. Maybe that’s why they can’t see the aburdity of their positions.
You’re right.. By the way, I’m not an “Obot” and don’t appreciate name-calling. But surely you see the Colbert type humor in your original post of dismissing whether the objection is based on “fact” or “spirituality.”
Yes indeed I do. Apologies, o non-Obot.
Yes.
Ah, marie, so you admit you have had a humor bypass.
Yes. From my gut.
I’m sorry to hear that marie. Condolences
I’m confused how this is a ‘lie’. If a department is asked how they will actually spend the money that they are slated to receive, and this is what they are going to spend it on, then the only possible lie is that the money was explicitly designated for the mouse by the bill.
But then to claim this is a stimulus bill that MUST be passed immediately or America will never recover is an even bigger lie than the above scenario.
Jayce exactly, it isn’t a lie………
http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_11696283
So, I wonder how the Chinese government feels about our using borrowed money to save field mice? Well, I can’t speak for them, but in China… I think they call that particular species of mouse… General’s Chicken.
That does it! I’m never eating at the Bu Hou diner again.
That’s not a joke. At least in one region of China, baby mice are deep-fried live and served piping hot.
Since the French eat snails, and supposedly horse, I’m not going to judge the Chinese too harshly for what they eat.
bon apetit!
I don’t have a problem with wetland restoration per se – but I think that the bill should focus exclusively on economic stimulus and be as lean and mean as possible.
Hillary I think a lot of folks believe as you and I do on that point. Keep the garbage out of the bill and focus on the meat of the situation.
I agree..This whole stimulus is like a WPA program.
Why not help the businesses that were healthy up until a few months ago..
and while we are at at, why not be able to read the WHOLE thing before a vote?
What is the rush?
The whole thing has been on line for quite a while. I won’t pretend to have read it all, but I worked my way through quite a bit of it. The dreaded Huffington Post posted a link.
Wow. I work with some of the crap that poses as English coming out of DC in the form of regulations. You have a far sturdier constitution than me. After about the 14th-level subparagraph, which centers on the parsing the of the word, “the”, I’m ready for a Churchill martini or two (or three).
It was as brutal as that, but some of it is actually in plain English and I’m a compulsive reader so it was hard to be a quitter.
Changes were made BY HAND the night before the vote. Do you never get tired of the spin? Vertigo is full time with you ….
Hillary or Bust, I agree with you. I also don’t have a problem with wetlands restoration, in fact it’s probably a good thing. I also agree it shouldn’t be in this “stimulus” bill but probably an appropriations bill. But like many here, I don’t think digging the hole deeper will necessarily get you out. I’m feeling little hope for any change.
Wow, OGG. You hit a nerve judging by the troll reaction.
But then, maybe they think “phantom earmarks” are all about phantoms and super heroes.
Time to give up childish things, Obamatrons. And please, start weening yourselves off the koolaid. It may do long-term brain damage. Actually, I think it already has.
Poor babies. Maybe OctoMom will adopt you. Just a thought.
Someone may have already noticed, but I suppose this gives new meaning to the phrase “giving a rat’s ass”.
Okay Ferd, that’s just plain damned too funny. You kill me.
Funny, Ferd! I’m listening to Bob Beckel now: you can’t lay this [the economic mess] at Obama’s feet. Well, we sure as hell can lay this bill at Obama’s feet.
And will! And now Beckel is saying if it doesn’t work it’s because it isn’t “big” enough. Already the backpedal is in motion.
None of these guys believe in this monstrosity. They’re lying through their teeth. Amazing.
Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach, and those who shouldn’t, pontificate. Which one is Bob Beckel?
You can’t miss Bob Beckel..He’s represents the pork
For sure. You can tell he never misses a
mealtrough.Stay tuned for the next episode of AS THE VOTE TURNS
“Giving a Rat’s Ass” episode will be replayed by popular demand.
http://www.americansolutions.com/directupload/pdf/finalstimulusbill.pdf
1,434 pages of Bacon Bill, Pig Pelosi and Fraud Obama’s socialist dream, all tied up in one filthy dirty con on America. Read it and weep folks.
Alexis Puma Pac broke the bill down a few weeks ago…………….it was interesting to have it all laid out.
here is one bit that grabbed me.
None of the funds provided by this Act may be made available to the State of Illinois, or any agency of the State, unless (1) the use of such funds by the State is approved in legislation enacted by the State after the date of the enactment of this Act, or (2) Rod R. Blagojevich no longer holds the office of Governor of the State of Illinois.The preceding sentence shall not apply to any funds provided directly to a unit of local government (1) by a Federal department or agency, or (2) by an established formula from the State.
And one more I can not find that when a bank failed it would be up to the Sec of tres to decide how it was handled basically……….geither……..Fox watching the hen house!
I like to say “the rat guarding the cheese.”
Ok, since you suggest reading it…Please..show me or anyone else where the language about the “marsh” or “rats” or anything of the sort.
I can’t show you where it isn’t…that would be impossible..but it isn’t in there, and never was.
This is a farce based on hyperbole.
Aha! So you admit you cannot show us where it isn’t! I rest my case.
Actually, it is hyperbole based on farce
LOL the republicans have really gone out on a limb here.
Look, I abhor the bill. I don’t like these legislation packages, ever. But I also don’t like rubbish inventions when trying to defeat them. It makes the opposition look foolish.
Can’t show you where it isn’t?…that’s nonsense. I can’t show you where they don’t fund unicorns either.
Where in the bill does this proposal exist?
It exists in the spirit of the bill. It exists in the hearts of Pelosi, Frank, Reid and others who have defiled the spirit of this nation. It exists wherever there is injustice, deceit and those who cry out for the curtailment of freedom. It exists….sorry, getting carried away.
LMAO
Nancy’s newest Pinot Noir from her winery, could be St Helena Ben-Verminior’ .
I have a very strong suspicion, that the only jobs that will ever be created by this stimulus bill. Are Obama’s paid bloggers desperately trying to cover up his inadequacies and crimes!
And at $0.05 per post, that amounts to a whole lot of troll spin with which to be tortured.
Jobs in this stimulus bill expected to cost between $250.000.00 and $300,000.00 each, according to a blue dog dem on Hannity tonight (sorry didn’t get his name, was so interested in what he was saying). Wow. And thanks to Obama’s Presidential Executive Order, the infrastructure jobs in this bill will go to unions or at union pay scale. Hell, I’m just a little old lady from PA with no Ivy League education, but even I can figure out that if union pay scale is 20% more than the regular labor rate, then you can hire 20% fewer people with the same money if forced to hire unions only or at union scale. So even the jobs in this bill are tainted with partisan politics, and I can’t wait until the 80% of construction workers in this country who are non-union realize they’ve been had.
Well, they have been instructed to hire non-white citizens. And the jobs can and will go to illegals. America got hosed. No doubt about it.
I don’t know if this is true, but I heard that the money slated to go to the E-Verify program was stripped from the bill early on by the Democrats. Lou Dobbs says E-Verify is over 95 percent successful in keeping illegal aliens out of the American work force, and I have heard many business people on Lou’s show saying how effective it is. So why on earth would the Dems oppose it? American jobs secured for the American citizens footing the bill for this abomination, what a concept!!
Because Nancy the Traitor Pig Pelosi just gotta have her illegals and give them all of the jobs Americans should have. She needs to be deported to Cuba.
Nanny State Pelosi should be water boarded at club GITMO. They’d have to call Orkin pest control for the cavity search.
Oof. That is one fugly visual. Wow
One of the special interests that lobbied hardest for the removal of the E-Verify provision was the American Chamber of Commerce, the nation’s largest business federation–”the voice of American business”.
They also lobbied successfully for removal of the “Buy American” provision.
Figure it out for yourself.
When they take out “Buy American” and E Verify, what do you think they want? They want to screw us royally. I never understand this. What disgusting pieces of crap they are. This is the most un-American legislation I’ve ever seen.
Not voting for the bill:
Reps. James Clyburn (South Carolina)
All I know is that if you’re on Rodeo Drive you won’t make it to Sausalito (please note spelling) for lunch.
Here’s the list of Republicans who kept stating this. Call them and ask them where this language in the bill is. Or find it if you say it exists
In going through the time ticker of Republican comments on this bill here’s where these Representatives and Senators made claims about the “mice”…but nobody wants to demonstrate where this exists in the bill.
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN-06), 2/12/09, 10:15 AM
(202) 225-3021
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA-03), 2/12/09, 10:26 AM
(202) 225-5716
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA-01), 2/12/09, 10:39 AM
(202) 225-5831
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA-10), 2/12/09, 4:25 PM
(202) 225-4101
Rep. Steve King (R-IA-05), 2/12/09, 5:22 PM
202.225.4426
Tom McClintock (R-CA-04), 2/12/09, 5:27 PM
(202) 225-2511
Michael Burgess (R-TX-26), 2/12/09, 6:57 PM
(202) 225-7772
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN-07), 2/12/09, 7:26 PM
202-225-2811
Tom Price (R-GA-06), 2/13/09, 10:25 AM
770-565-4990
John Carter (R-TX-31), 2/13/09, 10:37 AM
(202) 225-3864
Jack Kingston (R-GA-01), 2/13/09, 12:10 PM
(202) 225-5831
Mike Simpson (R-ID-02), 2/13/09, 12:33 PM
202-225-5531
Mike Rogers (R-MI-08), 2/13/09, 12:49 PM
(202) 225-4872
John Boehner (R-OH-08), 2/13/09, 1:32 PM
(202) 225-6205
Bill Cassidy (R-LA-06), 2/13/09, 2:50 PM
(202) 225-3901
Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA-11), 2/13/09, 3:50 PM
202-225-2931 (phone)
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), 2/13/09, 12:52 PM
(202) 224-5922
Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), 2/13/09, 3:37 PM
(202) 224-4944
TO continue basing the argument on their statements is nothing more than argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy. Which for lay terms means, appeal at authority fallacy, meaning that because these people said it, and they are representatives, then it must be true. When in fact it is false.
So if you believe this is true, back it up with the bill section where this exists. Call them and ask where it exists. Ask for the legislative assistant or the press office. They owe you an explanation if they’ve stated that this proposal exists.
Nancy Pelosi is an idiot and so are any voters who keep in her office. 30 Million for Sea Marsh Harvest Mice ?????
Measures have already been taken to protect these rodents so what is the $30 million dollars for Nancy ? I can’t think of one good reason to give $30 million dollars to a state who is destroying the habitat of these rodents just to save them ! I can however see a good reason to give $30 million to the education of our children whose teachers are literally paying for paper out of their own pockets to make copies of work assignments for 3rd graders because we do not have the workbooks for our children.
What happen to “Change” America needs? The only change I see happening is who decides to spend our money and who gets it. I am absolutely sick of the BS from Politicans.
A trillion dollars — and I haven’t heard of 1 cent being provided to the children who will have to pay for this debt.
The Californis rats are already saved, they are in the house and senate. Nancy Pelosi needs to be gassed at the local dog pound !!
You’ve probably got a bad attitude about those disadvantaged mice because you suspect they’ll all vote democrat.
First of all, let me say, that I am no fan of Nancy Pelosi. I feel that she let all women down, by her inaction (we will not impeach), when she was named speaker. I was further disappointed in her, when she failed to support the most deserving candidate, Hillary Clinton, and wholeheartedly supported that no nothing Obama. However, I think it is chicken shit that the Republicans are going after her so strongly, because of their fear of attacking Obama. and therefore, a backlash against them. As usual, it is much safer to attack a woman, than a man.
I don’t think it has anything to do with her being a woman (and it seems to me to be a kind of inverted form of sexism to say so). It is about a not very bright person who is in a position of power that she should not be in.
anyone know what happened to the 30 billion for ACORN? was it taken out or is this obamas payoff to them for helping him steal the election?
$30 billion earmarked for ACORN is as much a figment of the imagination as $30 million earmarked for mice.
This is not to say that ACORN won’t receive some funding, along with other organizations providing similar services. The mice may even benefit from habitat restoration projects–although it’s unlikely they’ll receive any direct payments or job opportunities.
ACORN should be given tonnes of cash. It is a great organization and does a lot of good work. Gets a lot of people voting who would not otherwise.