Octo Update
By dcmediagirl on February 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM in Current Affairs
The hits just keep coming. Here’s a roundup:
Nadya Suleman is unemployed and on foodstamps but somehow has $500 a week to pay a nanny.
Despite the fact that it’s obvious to the naked eye that Suleman has had collagen put in her lips, her nose operated on at least once and what appears to be a forehead lift/Botox and cheek implants, she not only denies an Angelina Jolie resemblance, Suleman insists that facial changes are a result of facial swelling brought on by pregnancy (although that doesn’t explain why her nose is half the size it was when she was pregnant the first time).
PR people out. Agent in.
Officials at her church - you know, the church that’s supposed to be helping her out - never heard of her. On this nifty page you can read the church’s statement AND check out Octomom’s face many surgeries ago, er, I mean, pre- or post-pregnancy swelling since she actually DIDN’T HAVE any work done…or something.
Meanwhile her Web site is going over like a lead balloon.
It would be funny if it weren’t so damn serious. And who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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Angelina should get a TRO. That woman is spooky. And if her nose gets any smaller she’ll look like a pig.
Did you see the photo of her at the nail salon?
http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/13/octomom-gets-nailed/2
Is that really the best way to spend *your* money when you have 14 kids?
I wonder which of the babies is losing out on her/his 45 minutes of quality parenting from momma.
When dealing with newborns/preemies, one shud never get fake nails. They trap bacteria.
excellent point. not to mention you can poke ‘em! :O)
NICU parents are actually told to keep nails short and clean American Girl. Premies have paper thin skin that can tear. And they’re so tiny that having long nails gets in the way of their care. Which is difficult when you only have one. We had twins and never slept. There should have been a mental evaluation before she was implanted with more babies. There is no way she can care for all of them and not receive public help. That doctor should have known better. Those children’s lives are in danger.
Spooky is right. But she’s one weirdo. The problem isn’t her, it’s that I’m forced to be responsible for other people, whether it’s her or any other weirdo. And that leads to me and everyone else getting into her business and deciding what people can and can’t do.
It’s exhausting to watch the coverage and listen to the faux outrage. If there were no public benefits for her, it’d rightfully be none of my business and be her father’s problem, or the doctor. It’s going to get worse before it gets better though, because people LOVE telling people what to do.
She did it for attention getting purposes. I guess you have to take the bad with the good? In her defense, my IRA still had some value when she was implanted ….
I think the problem is that she obviously has some kind of mental issues, (she is trying to morph into Angelina,and has tried to contact her repeatedly) but her doctors went ahead with the invitro….
That, and the point that she is massively in debt, used her money from a *back injury* to get plastic surgery, and invitro. And how does one with a back injury carry 8 babies?
AGII, there is a deeper problem here. Last year a couple from a Midwestern state gave birth to sextuplets as a result of in vitro fertilization and they had two perfectly healthy children before in the usual way. The media treated it as a reason to celebrate and the couple received a new house and other gifts. There are children in this country who need homes and, at the risk of being chastised, I am going to say the whole practice needs to be examined. The world population growth is exponential and there is a limit to what can be sustained. This woman has fourteen children and you would expect her next generation of progeny (all things being normal) would be twenty eight if each child had only two children. Since life expectancy has grown, it wouldn’t be unusual to expect three generations=seventy children resulting from this one woman’s mental illness. While many think population control is not only a sin, but an infringement of one’s rights, this is utterly selfish and dangerous. It is unfair to the rest of us who practice responsible reproduction. The Pope travels to third world countries and teaches birth control is a sin so the people who can least afford large families are almost guaranteed to continue the cycle of poverty. Years ago large families were not unusual simply because the infant mortality rate was so high and the population was small. Agrarian cultures made it desirable to have children to help on farms. One hundred years ago, multiple births occured naturally and were rare. This is insanity.
Elise, I agree with every thing you said. And I want to add to it that we are reproducing other species out of their habitats, and that is also a problem. When are we going to get over ourselves enough to stop procreating in such enormous numbers? There are already water shortages in many countries and some states here, and a lot of food shortages. To thrive, we all need a sustainable environment, and if we continue to over populate that sustainable environment will just continue to shrink. Space might be the final frontier, but we don’t have the Enterprise or Voyager to get us to another planet.
Morgan: The outrage is not faux. It’s very real. Just ask a California taxpayer and/or a Kaiser subscriber. This is not a story about “one weirdo”. This is about possible medical malpractice, possible welfare and student loan fraud and, ultimately, 14 children whose primary caretaker appears to be unhinged.
The same fertlity doctor has another multi-embryo implant patient 5 months along:
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/medicine/la-me-octuplets13-2009feb13,0,457763.story
I am a California taxpayer and I do not want my money going to this fraud and psycho. I want child protective serviecs to take her kids away from her, and I believe that’s my right since she’s expecting people like me to foot the bill.
Jeez, a voice of reason. Thanks Hillary or Bust. You, as always, rock it.
I don’t think she’s obsessed with babies, but with the revenue babies can bring in.
Reminds me of the altruistic message of another great con artist whose passionate plea for hope and change brought him great wealth. Wonder why one is being ostracized while the other is embraced…
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That’s awesome C.S. ROFLMAO.
You know what? I think it’s time to leave that poor woman alone.
Yes, I think it is stupid to have 14 children when one has no husband and no likelihood of being able to work outside the home to acquire an income.
But, the point is that there is a Mormon woman who has had, so far, EIGHTEEN children — and no one rants on and on about what nutcases she and her husband are to have 18 children.
So, you see, it’s not the NUMBER of children this woman is having that is bothering so many people, it is the economics of it. She’s not rich.
If this woman were wealthy, no one would bat an eye about her having so many children.
And no one would care if she did (or didn’t) have plastic surgery, if she were rich.
She is clearly in trouble emotionally, but do we usually pick on people who are emotionally troubled?
No.
So, why are so many of us picking on her?
Uh … because she had no plan for them other than that someone else would provide?
And, while we’re at it … do you have a problem with Mormons? Cause I really don’t have an issue with any religion whatsoever ….
Because she’s unemployed and can’t support her children but somehow has the money to spend on plastic surgery and IVF treatments. Because she’s a pathological liar. Because there are 14 human beings who were put on this earth to fulfill a selfish need. Because all of us are going to have to pay for her indulgence. And in these economic times we don’t want to bankroll someone’s self-indulgence. If we want to put the brakes on bonuses CEOs award themselves while running their companies into the ground, why not demand responsibility from a woman who cannot support the lifestyle she wants but can’t afford? And if she’s living off the public trough then the public has a right to know where the money is coming from for IVF, Botox, collagen, manicures and the like.
lightacandle: I’ll leave that woman alone when she goes off public assistance, pays her hospital bill and demonstrates that she has the means to support those kids. And by support those kids I don’t mean asking me or you for money. I mean when SHE herself is able to provide for them. They’re not dolls to be collected. They’re living, breathing human beings. I’m not sure she realizes that.
Hmm, just a thought. How much do you think that she is bilking the public for? Now, let’s compare it to what your federal government spends on bailing out car manufacturers, banksters and themselves (hint: tens of thousands versus TRILLIONS). Methinks that the math would work out in her favour on this one. Priorities people. Priorities. Time to file this under ‘News - that isn’t’.
lightacandle -
Are taxpayers paying millions for the Mormon kids like the Octunut?
They should actually have a say in what happens if they are stuck paying for it.
I wouldn’t want a person with no resources and limited intelligence to have that many dogs - especially dogs that need special care.
If she likes kids so much why didn’t she adopt? Oh yeah, because she wouldn’t have qualified!
And how about being a foster mother? Oh yeah, there are some standards for that too.
Children are entrusted to US to CARE for PROPERLY.
I’ll light a candle for YOU, so that YOU may open YOUR eyes and SEE the light.
Actually the ‘renegade’ Mormons who practice polygamy routinely live off taxpayer money. A man with 5 wives, for instance, is really only legally married to one of them, and the rest are considered single mothers. These women claim welfare and medicaid, etc., for their multitude of children. It’s a big scam that all polygomous Mormons are running on the taxpayers. Nobody says a word about that though…
Regular mormons use WIC and other sources, too. As for the woman and her eighteen mormon children, it’s also a bit of a sick game. It’s to build their kingdom in heaven so that they will be wealthy in spiritual rewards and perhaps even get their own planet. I kid you not.
JulieD…Exactly. I have three dogs. That is what I could handle. I would take in 100 if I had the time, the home, and resources to do so. These are human beings, not dogs, and no one seems to give a damn about their quality of life. Typical left insanity…just pay for it. Who cares what she does, just let rich people pay for all the losers in society. That’s not going to fly for much longer with the backlash coming in 2010 and 2012. People are going to get fed up with this crap big time.
My outrage is that she isn’t working and is getting assistance. If the woman just got a job at Burger King (instead of going to school) I’d be happy. She’s already got her degree - she wants to go back for her masters. Then she goes out and gets plastic surgery when she should be spending that money on her kids.
As for the Mormons, the point you made was that a woman AND HER HUSBAND had the 18 children. They are raising the kids together. Not with a nanny or making the grandmother do it. I heard her say that her kids are everyone’s responibility - “it takes a village” thing. Well, where is HER reposinibility in helping raise other people’s children? If she wants people to help her, why can’t she be expected to help others too? The world does not revolve around her - it’s about who will be taking care of the kids…not who is going to be taking care of her. I don’t believe these Mormons with 18 kids had these children so they could go out and get a reality show - I think it was out of love and not using birth control. They may get help, but I bet it’s from their friends and family and church. I doubt they are getting assitance at the expense of the taxpayers.
Uh…because you need money to buy food, and shoes and backpacks for school. Love does not buy that stuff.
And you need time to prepare meals, wipe noses, listen to problems, sort out laundry, etc. One person does not have enough time for 14 kids, no matter how fast she can move. Love does not create more hours in the day.
Octomom does not have enough money or enough time for 14 kids. They will be neglected despite the love.
What is wrong with people here defending this nonsense? Why should we pay for this woman’s idiocy? And why is it okay that she has 14 children that have virtually zero shot at having a decent life? I’m not paying for this nonsense. Guess what? I don’t get to have 14 kids. I couldn’t afford to have 14 kids, so I didn’t do it. So please explain the logic behind people like me being responsible, and living lifestyles we can support ourselves, having to pay for insane people like this having an entire Noah’s Ark of babies? This is ridiculous.
Way to go AlexisM! When I got married, birth control pills had been out for 5 years. What a relief!
I realized that we could only support and educate 2 kids and with the zero population growth crusade that was just fine. So that’s what I had.
I would have adopted but they didn’t let working women adopt without pledging to stay home. Ah, the good old days.
“Noah’s Ark of babies” LOL!!!
She’s being picked on because ALL of society is involved. She has NO income. She’s also being made an example of so that others can learn from.
Everyone has the right to bear children. I, for one am not trying to interfere with that. But, women, especially single women, have to understand that NO ONE is asking them to bear children. It’s their choice and they must OWN that choice. Most of us would not be bitching over one or even two children receiving government aid. I wouldn’t. But this many?
I don’t think so.
As far as that Mormon couple is concerned, if they used IVF, using government money and are on the dole, then I say the same to them. Enough is enough!
I’m sorry for Octo-Mom’s kids, but tough love is needed in this situation.
Sorry, but that’s the way it is.
Uh, if the woman were wealthy the taxpayers wouldn’t be paying help raise her kids now would they?
I feel sorry for the babies and her other children and for all of us who will have to pay to raise them. But, God willing, something will be done to ensure this doesn’t happen again–more regulations, stiffer penalties to those who perform these implants, and so on.
What worries me now are copy-cats. What a way to be famous for more than 15 minutes. (I hope her time is almost up.)
This doctor already implanted seven embryos in another women who has not given birth yet.
He should be run out of business. Yes it is a business to him not a good medical practice.
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Look, I do not disagree with those who raise the issue of her not being able to support the children and that taxpayers are probably going to have to do that.
That is a legitimate issue.
Also, I have no problem with raising the issue that the doctor who did all those invitros for her should be questioned by the medical society and, maybe, even the law.
And I do understand the feeling that we should not have to pay for her desire to have so many children, although I must add that I think Barack Obama’s misjudgments are going to cost us all a heck of a lot more money and grief than this woman and her children ever will or could.
I just think the tone toward her is a bit over the top. Not just here, but even more so on the tv where people carry on in very unseemly ways.
No, I do not have a problem with Mormons; I have great respect for the Mormons and have had very pleasant relationships with Mormons. I mentioned that couple because they not only had their 18 children but were also the subjects of a television series on their lives, so they became very famous — although I regret to say I cannot recall their names.
Someone here wondered how much individual time each of this woman’s children would be able to have with her; well, I think the same could be asked of the family with 18 children.
Please understand, I do not think for a moment the doctor in this woman’s life had any business helping her to get pregnant so many times, and I think an inquiry should be made into his decision-making.
All I am talking about here is the snarkiness that I have seen on tv and a bit here. Does the conversation about her have to be so mean-spirited? She is clearly a troubled woman.
I felt the same way, a long time ago when I was still watching Keith Olbermann (I haven’t in a very long time), and he was going after Brittany Spears every single night in the most nasty way. Well, as it turns out that poor soul (Brittany) was having a nervous meltdown in public.
I just don’t think we laugh at, rage at, or insult people who are in deep emotional trouble.
That does not mean that I think many of the points raised here are without merit. I agree with a lot of the points.
I just don’t think we need to be mean about it.
Obama is still the one who is going to destroy the fabric of our lives a lot more than any single family ever could.
Right on!
She put herself in the position to get ridiculed by hiring a publicist and trying to use her children to make a name for herself. Crazy or no, she needs to take responsibility for herself and she deserves every snark she gets.
If she wasn’t trying to promote herself like Paris Hilton, maybe I’d feel more sorry for her. But she’s a publicity whore who has used her disability money not to help her children but to get plastic surgery for herself. She does not deserve our sympathy, her children do, and I hope those kids are taken from her ASAP.
LFAO she also got a Hollywood agent. What a dirtbag.
Oh please! I’m not an 0bama fan, but to compare him with 0cto-mom is like comparing apples and toilet paper.
The only people I’m critical of are the folks who are making death threats to 0cto-mom. But voices of outrage I have no problem with because this is an OUTRAGEOUS situation. And no she’s not going to ruin our society, but I’ll society WILL be ruined if people don’t stop exploiting our civil liberties and our compassion. If people keep making choices that don’t enrich our society but rather make choices based on their petty little egos, and vanity. And this certainly describes 0cto-mom.
And for the record, a whole lot was done to destroy our society long before 0bama took the oath of office. Decisions that we are living with right now that 0bama had no part in.
We are less than 30 days into this man’s administration and there are no results in yet regarding the decisions he’s making. But 0cto-mom’s results ARE in: 14 of them.
I’m not laying off of this woman. She needs to be hounded until she gets the help she needs. I don’t want to hear her belittle single parenthood and watch her behave as if she’s a paragon of virtue. SHE’S NOT!
And when the jury comes in on 0bama, I’ll be the first on line to open my mouth about him.
I condemn the death threats, but I support everyone’s right to speak out in outrage about what this woman has done.
i’llsociety WILLSorry. Ooops!
She has a website where she is soliciting donations. She will probably use the money she gets from it to get a “tummy tuck.” She is obviously self absorbed and has no business having children at all. It seems that her mother has been doing all the heavy lifting anyway, and she is tired of having that burden put on her. I still say, take the children away and give them to people who desperately want them and can provide for them.
Leave her alone. This is an unseemly pile-on — not just here, but all across the nation.
There are plenty of screwed-up people in the world. And plenty of people ripping off the system — many of them at the top of the economic ladder.
The woman has had death threats, and one of them might succeed. Do you really want to be a part of that lynching?
Honestly? If it meant that her children had a chance at a real life because they were put up for adoption due to her death, then yes, I’ll take the lives of 14 children over that screwed up woman who needs a reboot.
Please note: I am not making a death threat against her. I am simply saying I’d rather see her dead than see her raising those poor kids.
(And I believe in life after death so she could have worse punishments than that.)
I do think there is a role for CPS here - there is no way she is a suitable parent. Her mother should go for guardianship and have her assessed for fitness. She has displayed a pattern of behavior that endangers her children. Good enough for an inquiry, IMHO.
Yes, it is unseemly, but I think the fact that the health of 14 children is at stake makes people very emotional. Ripping off the system is one thing–abusing children is quite another.
Hatred is poison. However justified or unjustified the target. And this is hatred. I’m concerned about what it’s doing to YOU as much as her.
It’s not hatred, Anna. It’s anger. And it comes at a very bad time. She couldn’t have picked a worse time to be stupid and irresponsible. Taxpayers who work hard everyday can barely afford to pay THEIR energy bills, food costs, insurance premiums, co-pays and childcare costs. I’m sure they’d love to have more children but know they can’t afford it. So now they’re being asked to pay MILLIONS for someone else’s selfishnish? They just saw the likes of Bush and Barky help bail out greedy CEOs and stupid millionares who despite thinking they’re smarter than the rest of us came begging to the government with their hats in their hands after effing up their companies. Look, when you’re on the public dole, you don’t go getting two inch scarlet red nails. First off, it’s tacky and second they are a health hazard to premies who have paper thin skin( I had to keep my nails very short with my premies for fear of accidently cutting them), and thirdly how much formula could she buy with 40 bucks? And why isn’t she home pumping milk for them. I sat at home with a double breast pump for weeks, while my premies were in the NICU so they were able to get at least some of the benefits of breast milk. As soon as they came home, I couldn’t pump, and take care of premie twins. They were still too small to feed properly so required tube feeding and breathing treatments. I have no idea how she is going to be able to take care of all those babies even with a full time nanny.
I don’t hate this woman. But she personifies a trend in this society of self-absorption, delusion and indulgence. People who live in fantasy worlds, and then make decisions that the rest of society has to pay for and not just financially.
With all the problems we have, we need to reign in a lot of this kind of behavior. It’s diminishing our civil liberties and the American ideal of freedom.
This woman needs therapy. And the kids need to placed in the proper care until she has recovered.
Can she really care for all of these kids? Her parents seem to be carrying the lion’s share of the caregiver load.
If she wants her critics to back off then all she has to do is take care of her kids. Getting caught getting a manicure simply doesn’t cut it.
I agree with lightacandle that it is time to leave this woman alone. By the sounds of it this woman would be on public assistance if she only had one child. Yes, her story does not add up, and it appears she just wants money and attention. Let’s not give it to her.
I am apalled at the misogynistic hate!
Round up all of the fathers out there that are drinking and smoking at the bars and haven’t paid child support, and I will then concern my self with this woman!
By the way, if you are smoking, drinking, drugging, speeding, texting on your blackberry, not exercising, over-weight, making B’s instead of A’s …………… then at some point you are liable to be on some kind of assistance - so stopped bitching about this woman!
She needs help not hate!
Get over yourselves!
CAROL HAKA
Carol
Are the same Carol that posted at The Confluence?
How are you? You are missed.
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It’s me. I comment occasionally at gary’s and at http://www.pumapac.org.
Thanks for your kind words.
“Get over yourselves?”
Wow, WTF?
Her kids have a high likelihood of ending up in prison, or worse. She is clearly demonstrating she is mentally not in the place to care for 14 children. Even in the best circumstances, a stable home with two responsible parents, that’s a ridiculous number of kids to raise. And it’s pathetic now to try to rely on and burden society.
As for smoking, drinking, whatever, I pay a fortune for my health insurance and will never be a burden to anyone so it’s no one’s business what I do. Period. I will never take someone else’s paycheck. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever. That doesn’t mean I have to pay for this garbage and this woman’s mentally ill deranged desire to be Angelina Jolie.
I usually agree with you.
What you have today may be gone tomorrow! So, be careful. Insurance is reliance on others to cover those that don’t take care of their health or have poor genetics.
Misogyny in any form is not right!
She made a poor choice. Most people do. Multiple children was her poor choice.
CAROL HAKA
Carol,
I have often worked for Victim’s Rights groups and I can promise you these children are compromised. It’s not something to take lightly. By humoring this woman, making her a celebrity, and paying for her reckless crap we are enabling nuts like this to create more of the tiniest victims in society.
As for “misogyny?” Where in the world do you get that. I’m a woman for God’s sakes. That has nothing to do with this. It has to do with a society that can’t bear the constant burdens of a welfare state, and can’t build prisons fast enough to incarcerate the abused unwanted children in this country who are nothing but a ploy for another welfare check.
Tbank you. If she is getting death threats, the loonies just have moved their target. I feel sorry for the children but she made choices. Her parents are enablers. Was there not one sane person any where — doctor’s office — who could have stopped this insanity? Sorry. Lots of people find themselves in trouble. This woman created hers.
I am aware of the compromise.
What she did to create this mess is not any different than the way other people subject themselves and others to negative outcomes.
Misogyny is not limited to non-women.
At this time, I would image the burden of what has happened to her is overwhelming whether it was self directed or not!
She could be suffering at this time from Postpartum Depression. I think she needs kindness and help not ridicule and shame.
There is not a welfare check large enough to cover this situation!
CAROL HAKA
She’s a con woman like Henrietta Hughes. Period. I have no sympathy for her because she just subjected 14 viable lives to a horrible situation. And, really, the name calling isn’t cool. Just because I don’t want to pay for yet another con job by the left doesn’t make me a misogynist. I still don’t get how you connect the dots on that one. I can’t believe you people can defend a woman who, knowing about the economy and knowing that she can’t provide a life for these kids, did something this thoughtless, cruel, heartless and stupid. Hey, guess what, even her own mother is pissed. Guess her mother knows more than you all do.
I am right there with you, sister. The “Palin should have aborted” are pretty silent, don’t you think?
Kind of amazing, huh? The loony left thought that Palin, a married, working, responsible woman should abort her baby for having an illness. But, boy, they are now the poster children for paying for some lunatic sick f**k burdening society with her 14 little Barbie Dolls. Kind of shows what’s wrong with this country.
As I have said before…What I have isn’t going anywhere tomorrow because I will always work to support myself. The liberals might want to think of that as a new concept. Working to support oneself. I know, it’s a really odd thought for the left, but let’s try to think about it, huh?
President Clinton referred his Calvinist work ethic today. I agree with AlexisM. A lot of us have been brought up to be responsible for ourselves and our choices.
Carol that’s what choice is all about. She chose to seek out a doctor to have more children. No one made her do it.
If she was unable to have children that would be different. But she had six children and chose to have more. Fine. If she wants 20 kids none of my business.
But I pay taxes so I am helping to pay for their care. Therefore, I have some right to an opinion.
For those say this is misogyny think of her mother, who is a woman, and is fed up with her behavior.
BTW, if she intends to raise these children herself why does she need a nanny? Isn’t that what wealthy people do? But otherwise she’s so poor she needs welfare and food stamps.
Yeah … the nanny thing kind of makes her “I can take care of them myself” argument for the predigested arugula and goat cheese it is …
If all those kids were removed from her home I wouldn’t care what she does or how irresponsible she is. What about the children??
My suggestion is to let Angelina Jolie adopt those 14 children. She has the means to care for them, or at least pay nannies to do so. It appears to me that Angelina wants dozens of kids, so she could realize her dream that much faster with taking 14 at once! I’m not sure Brad will stick around though. He hasn’t seemed as enthusiastic with the last couple of kids. They are wearing him out!
We might keep in mind that our federal government squandered $78 BILLION in the recent bank “bailout.”
Let’s move our outrage over to the people who were supposed to be overseeing the bank bailout funds.
We could put this woman and her children up at the Ritz for the rest of their lives and still not be squandering as much money as our Congress and recent president did by not performing adequate oversight on the bank bailout.
Thanks - let’s keep the focus where it belongs!
Carol HAKA -
Did you read the POST at the top of the thread?
You know - the one titled: Octo Update…?
Thanks - let’s keep the focus where it belongs!
Yes, let’s keep the focus where it belongs. On the “Octo Update” which is, indeed, the title of the thread.
I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
My outrage is directed in all quarters.
Sorry, but 0cto-mom gets no slack.
And I truly resent playing the misogyny card where this woman is concerned.
Totally inappropriate and again, it demeans the real misogyny out there. I have no problem rounding up the usual suspect delinquent fathers. They don’t get a pass from me either. And neither does 0cto-mom’s sperm donor.
I don’t care what this woman does and I of course don’t want to hear that she is getting death threats. But under no circumstances should I pay for this. None. She has no business having these kids and no business being a burden to an already compromised economy. I hope they take her kids away and put them in a decent home. Clearly she is mentally unwell. Oh yeah, and thanks to the left for making it okay for people to mooch off working people. Welcome to Welfare Central, the United States Socialist Republic of Pelosi-Obama. I hope there’s a serious tax revolt against people like this and criminals like Henrietta Hughes. They make me puke.
Obama just spent millions going back to Chicago for the weekend - bitch about him and his irresponsible behavior!
I bitch about the Fraud every day. Every single day. He is making a mockery of this country telling everyone to “tighten their belts” while he jets all over the world spending money like a drunken sailor. We pretty much all get it here that he’s an idiot with no moral compass. Again, the point isn’t the idiot “President” who will have maybe one term at best. Let’s focus on the situation at hand. Not encouraging women to have 100 kids just for attention and a free ride off the backs of taxpayer’s who are already stretched and many soon to be unemployed. Have some empathy for responsible, hard working Americans and not con men like this woman and that total lying con job Henrietta Hughes.
AlexisM
I was against Bush’;s invasion of Iraq — a country that had NOT invaded, bombed, or declared war on us.
So, WHY do I have to pay MY tax dollars for a horrible mistake — based on a series of lies — that our then-president and his gang made?
What in the world does this have to do with Bush? For the love of God give that up. These children are human beings that live, breathe and deserve a better life than this sick woman can provide. I can’t believe that you would use this situation for an anti-Bush and anti-Republican soapbox. Bush didn’t impregnate this woman, to my knowledge.
Yes it was a mistake–I was against the Iraq war from the beginning–and yes, it is expensive. The bottom line is that we have no other choice at this time but to pay now or face worse consequences later.
This is not comparable to a disturbed woman who wants to be the center of attention–just ask my stepson who is in Iraq on his second tour.
This woman had a choice and made the wrong one. It is hers to deal with an not mine.
Why can’t we bitch about both of them? LOL!
Sorry, I worked with way too many OCTO types in the educational system. Suleman is a symptom of the liberal mentality and the gimmee all you got society.
Her tale fits perfectly into the Obama tale of corruption and lies.
Yup, Buzz, the mental insanity of the “gimme” because you have something I don’t, that I won’t work for, and I want what you have, mentality has now been fostered by the crooks in DC like B-Crack. Good luck with that folks. Backlash is coming big time.
Um Buzz, she’s a religous fanatic, not a liberal. In fact, childbirth rates in most liberal counties are lower than deathrates causing a whole other slew of economic problems. Liberals actually have fewer children because we believe in birth control. And we worry about an over populated planet. This nutter is a right winger. Just check out her kids names. Babies for Jesus.
But, as a former WA state liberal, I heard all too many times all about all the social programs and giving to the poor rhetoric in a state and government funded system. Remember WA state harbored/harbors some of the most extreme liberal hardliners - the socialists. Religion has little to do with it.
In fact, the church Suleman said she attends says they don’t know her.
My biggest problem is that it will create a backlash so that people who deserve the help won’t get it. The woman is unhinged. Children cannot be a substitute for your own “emptiness”. However, the doctor needs his head examined, his license revoked, and his assets taken to pay for these kids.
Linda C. Has the best answer. Sieze the doctor’s assets and let him pay for this mess he created.
Now that is a good idea too.
I am still trying to figure out why the people who are really trying to be honest hard working citizens get the shaft all the time.
This whole Octo mess disturbs me beyond belief.
Whatever happened to caring about raising the kids.
These doctors only care about the delivery and not the consequences of bringing this many babies into the world.
They probably will just end up on welfare without the opportunities that a good upbringing could bring.
I can’t even watch this drama unfold..
Because the left hates the backbone of America. The farmers, workers, etc. that keep this country going. The left wants a bunch of brain dead, dependent, worthless zombies who will take orders with their hands out and not ask any questions. Too bad this is America and that’s not going to fly. But isn’t it great that this country has directed all of its hate to successful people who earn a living and support themselves?
AlexisM
Many on the left are very hard working caring people that do take care of their own and still try to help others.
This women is sick and the doctor is a quack.
That has nothing to do with being left or right.
I was a democrat for over 45 years, worked all my life and raised 4 kids. Never took welfare and will do all I can to help another. I am like most people liberal in some things and conservative in others. Any thing that hurts my country I am against. Drugs, corruption, destroying the voting process examples 2000 - 2004 - 2008
I became an independent this year in protest over the election process. If I had been a republican I would have become and independent in 2000 over the election process
Please do not make claims about a group that really have nothing to do with the problem being discussed.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALIST, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
helenk…
The right doesn’t advocate welfare states and people pulling stunts like this.
No the Right advocates saving all of those fertilized frozen embryos from destruction. So all of the embryos have been saved. Is the Right now happy? They were yelling abortion when the frozen embryos were destroyed. Of course now that we have the consequences of saving all of those frozen embryos..It is the Left’s fault.
The right never said that this woman should go impregnate herself 14 times and then go on welfare. Period.
this is not a right or left issue.
Both sides would agree that bad judgment was used by both the women and the doctor.
The children are here. They have to be taken care of. Who will do that? The women is sick and the doctor is greedy.
I agree the doctor should be made to have some financial responsibility for the children and if the other women that he implanted 7 embryos in has all 7 he should have to take some responsibility there also.
But the children are here and will be here for a long time.
Calling the problem left or right solves nothing.
The children are here. Now what.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
There aren’t any left not implanted.
She would need another sperm donor.
The right definitely believes in a daddy and a mommy so you might want to dial back your outrage for the right.
Invitro isn’t like a nose job. It has very serious ramifications. But single women have to have the same protection to their reproductive future as married women. This person through her thoughtlessness is creating a new new discussion that was never anticipated. She has abused something. Change will come. You can count on it. And rather than being made — as it should be — by doctors and patients, it will be made by insurance companies and state officials. That’s some change we can count on.
Linda C -
Mine too.
For me, I don’t have a problem with a single woman making a sensible decision to bear a child, maybe two. I don’t beef about people who need some assistance for a limited time. But this? No, 0cto-mom has belittled all single mothers, trivialized and jeopardized our civil liberties and made a mockery of the American ideal of freedom.
Any mentality, whether it be liberal or conservative thinking that diminishes our freedoms is dangerous.
The Iraq War was wrong. 0cto-mom is wrong. 0bama jetting around like he’s some billionaire when all he is is an elected official working for us is WRONG!
All of this kind of behavior is setting a bad tone in our society.
Someone told me that Oprah was giving her 2 million dollars. I think the state should put a freeze on her assets and do a ck on her past/ previous income, contributions and etc.
For some reason I have the feeling that this lady either has a few under the table jobs or is getting money from other resources that she is not reporting.
Think about it, invitro is not a cheap process.
Someone or many someones are contributing to this lady’s income.
Maybe Arnold wants to sell California to Oprah?
There are plenty — PLENTY — of single mothers and fathers doing their damnedest to support families through these difficult times. Rewarding this nut job is ridiculous. I wouldn’t click on her website if it was the only one operating. Incensed? Shouldn’t someone be? What are we saying? Shoot yourself full of babies you can’t support and someone somewhere somehow will? This is no different than the “its okay to be a prostitute” meme from “Pretty Woman.” Sorry Octomom is anti feminine in the extreme.
Well, if that’s true - she will blow through that money and fast. Not on the kiddos but on herself.
Yup she needs more plastic surgery to complete her transition into Angelina. If no one here finds that to be disturbed then I don’t know what to say.
Someone has warned Brad Pitt, right? I still think that TRO is a good idea.
beebop LOL…I bet she does try to crawl in bed with Brad. Wow. Sick stuff.
I simply find it hard to believe that 0prah would do this. Anyway, not to worry. If she receives money, they will deduct whatever she owes or has been paid. She has loans, they seize the money entitled.
This is why I can’t see 0prah getting involved. I’m sure her legal team would break it down for her. Also, 0prah is very secretive about how she donates money. The South African school was an aberration. She’s usually quiet about to whom she donates, especially here in this country.
After the beating she took by backing 0bama, I can’t believe she would let it be known that she gave this woman money. If anything, she would keep it a secret even to 0cto-mom.
The war in Iraq has cost us BILLIONS of DOLLARS and cost tens of thousands of lives — American and Iraqi lives.
I think I can stir up a heck of a lot more rage about that than I can over one disturbed woman.
I haven’t seen THIS much rage against any of the men who have raped and murdered children.
So, why all this rage about one sick woman?
I think some people need a better cause to be enraged about.
Get angry at the male doctor who enabled this.
Get angry at the people who are ripping us off every minute of every day.
This woman and her children are not going to cost us anywhere near as much as Obama’s disgusting “stimulus” bill will.
The thread is about this woman. You can rant all you want but we are trying to be on topic and discuss this one particular situation.
As for the Fraud and his Bacon Bill…The Congressional Relief Action Plan (CRAP) we all know we just got handed the biggest con job in history. So, what, we’re not allowed to get outraged about anything else? Calm down. We all feel what you feel. But on this thread we are expressing our thoughts on this lunatic.
Exactly. This is about 0cto-mom.
BTW, I DO get outraged over rapists, child molesters, politicians who lie and lead us into war, the whole lot.
I spent the better part of last year railing against the misogyny during the election.
So nothing anyone can say will back me off of 0cto-mom. Women like this depend on others circling the wagons around them like they’re little lambs who are lost in the woods. She made a decision as an adult to utilize modern fertility technology to have these children. She claims to be a proud, capable single mom. Then she doesn’t need my help or my approbation, for that matter.
So she should get to the business of taking care of her kids instead of trying to exploit her situation as a way of making money. If she’s tired of the condemnation of people like me then retreat from the public eye. It’s not like she doesn’t have enough to do with the 6 that are at home while the 8 grow and get strong.
BTW, I think the PR people quit not so much because of the death threats, but because they also saw that there wasn’t a lot of money potential in it.
0cto-mom has grossly underestimated the times we live in. There just isn’t a lot of elbow room for this kind of indulgent stupidity right now. And all the moaning about how unfair it is to voice our outrage just ain’t cuttin it.
Compassion as far as this woman’s concerned is miniscule and the reason for that has to do with HER! And not because she is a woman, but because of the choices she has made in jeopardizing children’s lives.
Don’t like our condemnation, then go help her. Like one journalist said, she is “GROTESQUE!”
And she is.
I guess you’re seeing it lightacandle, because people like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld can’t and won’t be held accountable for their actions. We’re lashing out at her because she’s a woman and an easy target. Those rich CEOs who are getting a MUCH BIGGER WELFARE CHECK will never be held accountable so we lash out at the next best thing. But I must say, I’m angry at her because as a parent of Premies I know these children are in for a rough ride. If she wasn’t able to make a rational choice about bringing this many children into this world who I know are going to suffer, than the doctor who pulled this crap should be held accountable. We’re angry and worried. And Helpless. That’s my guess.
For God’s sakes one has nothing to do with another. As long as people justify raping America because they whine about Bush we aren’t going to get anywhere. This is about one person…a thread about our thoughts on this con woman. Where do you people equate all this nonsense?
Bettina, Susan told you to ignore me.
Where do you people equate all this nonsense?
Statement to “you people” not directed towards any one person but the tenor of this thread in general. But nice try!!!!
Sorry, but who isn’t railing about CEO’s and the 21st Century Robber Barons?
I am!
But one does not have anything to do with the other.
Personally, I’d like to JAIL all those responsible for our economic crisis. I’d like to put someone like Madoff in a room with the people he swindled and lock the door.
My outrage with 0cto-mom has to do with the delusional state she is living in which is jeopardizing the well-being of her kids. She needs therapy. Badly. And those kids need to be protected.
But we as a society also need to be protected from people who demean our civil liberties with this kind of behavior. You think I’d be talking about this woman if she had simply remained content with the 6 she already had?
Of course not. Perhaps some of view still would, but not me. This woman went from the sublime to the grotesque and is endangering the welfare of minors.
I don’t want to hear her go on about loving children. That’s not love. The same with so-called animal lovers who collect dozens of pets and then can’t care for them causing inhumane treatment. This is not love with the best intentions. People who do such things have real serious emotional problems.
The CEOs, the politicians, they are criminals and should be jailed and frankly, there are a lot of people calling for these people’s heads. Of course our delightful msm doesn’t report this. (As we learned during the election season.)
This does not give 0cto-mom a pass. She was wrong, wrong, WRONG! And if we don’t voice our outrage about it, we are missing an opportunity on so many levels.
of viewYou’re correct.
Bush and Cheney should be held accountable as the great Americans they are for keeping America safe and liberating a Stalinist country that killed it’s own people and used biological weapons against the kurds.
Yes Bush and Cheney have the vision to put America firmly in the middle of all future conflicts and thus dictating the terms of all said conflicts.
We’re angry and worried. And Helpless. That’s my guess.
Speaking just for me?
I am really fed up with the Alfred E Neuman school of personal responsibility.
No shite. And, on top of it all, can the loony left explain why this woman went out of her way to have the extra 8 kids? It’s not like this woman got pregnant on ACCIDENT and we’re dealing with it. No, she spent the money she COULD have spent on her other 6 kids, on having 8 more ON PURPOSE. It’s one thing to make a mistake. That’s not what this freak did. She did it with free will, someone’s money and with intent. No one can defend this. No one.
Now, if you want to talk about an accidental teen pregnancy, from either ignorance, a mistake or lack of judgment, then that’s another thing entirely. Learn the difference.
This must pose a number of philosophical dilemmas for conservatives.
Should the state be dictating when otherwise accepted medical practices have become unacceptable?
Should the state be deciding when enough reproduction is enough, based upon their own estimation of a woman’s capacity to make reasonable decisions?
Should the woman have had a controvercial “medical procedure” to reduce the number of embryos that began maturing?
Should the kids be denied publicly-funded support and care owing to crack-brained decisions on the part of their whacko mom?
What about Stop her before she strikes again! Should the state act to prevent a repeat performance? This woman may only be encouraged by having been placed in the spotlight.
OMG! What if she keeps breeding, and brings all of the kids up as democrats?
(Personally, I find her behavior outrageous. The woman is a poster-child for increased family planning funding.)
” This must pose a number of philosophical dilemmas for conservatives. and brings all of the kids up as democrats?”
hahaha that was funny.
“Should the woman have had a controvercial “medical procedure” to reduce the number of embryos that began maturing?”
I would think that if there are limits on stem cell research there should be limits on how many embryos you can make. In fact, I would think right to lifers/anti-stemcell research people would be opposed to invitro.
“I would think that if there are limits on stem cell research there should be limits on how many embryos you can make.”
I’m not one for placing limits upon stem cell research. I believe that there are many great and wonderful things that come of it - as long as it is ethical and is used to treat maladies.
But placing limits on the amount of embryos…would that not then be crossing the line into eugenics? I’m just asking. Don’t get upset. Then who gets to decide how many embryos one can make and how often?
Scary territory.
I am PRO stem cell research. PRO PRO PRO
I was just begging the question, that if conservatives are against stem cell research, wouldn’t they also be worried about the number of embryos produced for invitro? Left over embryos are tossed out, but conservatives don’t want them used for stem cell research. Shouldn’t they also have issue with how many are created?
I agree it is very scary territory.
But, I wonder if conservatives, who oppose stem cell research DO invitro. And if they do, do they condone the tossing of their unused embryos?
It seems like, if a conservative did invitro, but opposed stemcell research, but tossed their eggs, there is a bit of hypocrisy going on.
“It seems like, if a conservative did invitro, but opposed stemcell research, but tossed their eggs, there is a bit of hypocrisy going on.”
Absolutely, on all three counts cited.
I never thought about where conservatives stand on invitro. Do you know? anyone know?
With the varying degrees of “conservative”, it’s hard to know. At the extreme (right) end I think that Christian Fundamentlism (uh, I opened a can or worms with that one, didn’t I?) would play a large part in their decision(s).
“I’m just asking. Don’t get upset.”
You shouldn’t have to worry about engaging in debate! Sorry if you felt you had to worry about making me mad, asking a question. I love to debate, and discuss!
I can’t stand rudeness! it drives me batty. It makes me rude. and i hate that!
It is scary territory.
Eugenics has terrible associations, of course. Those who remember the history of the Third Reich are fully aware.
What we often neglect to consider, however, is that eugenics can be practiced inadvertantly. We can inadvertantly reverse the specie-beneficial (but terribly hard) effects of natural selection, while being motivated only by humanitarian reasons.
It’s a major ethical dilemma with undeniable long-term specie survival implications, and it’s a virtual taboo to even broach the topic. The taboo is quite understandable.
we are defiitely entering the arena of *just becaause you can, doesn’t mean you should*. with all the things science can do now, you have to wonder, looking at situations like octomom, if we are doing the right thing.
there are perfectly good children available for adoption, but people want their own blood children. so, we can create them, through many means. but, we meet resitence to use those embryos for science to improve the life of those living. we use science to prolong the *death* of people in comas (terry sciavo, and the girl in italy), but don’t want to allow them to die once hooked up to machines.
and now the doctors have the ability to determine the sex. people are cloning their pets. you can only imagine what will happen next.
and look at the attacks Palin received for not aborting her special needs child!
i would love to see a world where families that want a baby can adopt an unwanted child, and we can have less abortion, less children in foster homes, and less petri dish babies.
I have yet to hear much reaction the medical care will need to be managed at the end of life provisions in the new bill. Fewer births would make fewer of these tough decisions necessary imho.
“What we often neglect to consider, however, is that eugenics can be practiced inadvertantly. We can inadvertantly reverse the specie-beneficial (but terribly hard) effects of natural selection, while being motivated only by humanitarian reasons.”
Interesting point. I hadn’t given that too much thought. Now I must go ponder that. Thanks for that ‘food for thought’. I enjoy it when that happens.
I’m all for having lots of kids if you can provide and take the responsibility.
It remains to be seen if this breeding machine can provide for these 14 children.
But come on…Do we really want to be like Opossums.
I think this whole event sucks for the kids that will have to grow up in poverty or worse
Anybody thinking about them!
i don’t know how the heck parent/s can spend quality time with a herd of kids. it seems like it would be exhausting and impossible!
As one of six, I can tell you that my parents had to make tough decisions every single day. After my father died of natural causes and totally unexpected at an early age, there were four of us under age 18. I have nothing but gut level admiration for all of the sacrifices my mother made for the four of us. If something had happened to her, God only knows what would have become of us. Has Nadya asked herself that question? If something were to become of her, who would look after the welfare of her children? Most women can get pregnant. That doesn’t make them a good mother.
Oh please God, don’t let her raise them to be Dimocrats. Talk about insult to injury.
Snark.
Now we’re talking.
The woman is delusional and society should not have to pay for her delusions. Such actions in my opinion jeopardized the well-being of her kids. And that does border on crimiinal.
I think your faux outrage is enough for all of us.
You can defend her
You can send her money
You can encourage the thousands of people with a story of unhappiness that they are free to express their needs with no thought as to consquences
You can continue to live in the shrub era
When do we ask people to think about prudence, good sense and waiting? Why didn’t she finish her degree and get a job with MEDICAL INSURANCE prior to having these children? Because she is living in a FANTASY WORLD and people like you never hold her to her word. Please. Feel sorry for those in real need. Not this modern day bearer of a litter. She is a female disgrace.
She is a female disgrace and insult to working families who practiced responsible family planning. She is a slap in our face. Like I said, I guess I should go out and have 100 kids and send everyone on this thread my doctor’s bills, food bills, clothing bills, school bills, etc.? You guys would all pay for it, right? By the way, my dogs need some food and medical care, can you send a check today? Oh yeah, I need some new clothes, can you send some more money? Oh, you’re having problems taking care of your own family? Well, that’s too goddamned bad because I want my welfare check even if it sinks your family. Should I post my address for the checks? Thanks!
Want to be outraged? Direct it to something constructive with hopes to change it by paying very close attention to the matters that are financial around the world, and in the US, and you’ll see that bantering about a minor issue like this regarding a woman that is having many kids, is on social assistance, blah, blah, blah; will seem VERY minor compared to those numbers that are in the tens of trillions of your tax money.
Otherwise, this display of outrage you have for this person is a flagrant waste of time. If you knew how many other people have fake wheelchair permits or collect welfare when they clearly shouldn’t be or collect social assistance form different states under different and assumed names, you’d lose your mind.
Pick a true problem that is a priority. And if your dog needs food and medical attention or you’re simply put off by this woman and her actions, that DON’T affect you, direct your rage to your state representative. Bitching about your outrage and chastising others that don’t share your anger on a blog goes nowhere.
And by the amount of messages and time you’ve devoted to your pet project in this comments section, I can see you think that it does.
Maybe you should direct your whining to NQ who picked the topic of this thread. I am sure Susan will be happy to know that you find the topics here to be irrelevant. The rest of us had the respect to deal with the one, and only one, issue of the thread. Period.
I’m whining? perhaps you should re-read your own posting two messages above that provoked my response to it.
So I see you couldn’t address the issues I pointed out for which you are guilty of and instead, brought others into it whom I have not mentioned, but you did.
You are not dealing with the “one, and only one, issue of the thread.” I’ve read your comments and they are seeing many a tangent up to and including the comment that you made and that I responded to.
Please refrain from playing moderator when, clearly, you’re making contradictory comments.
I have nothing to say to you. Your comments are ridiculous. Have a nice day troll and we know who you are.
“….and we know who you are.”
I didn’t realize that Iwas trying to “hide”, but if you are so positive, then have my IP submitted against the offender that you think it is. I’m more than certain that you will be embarassed by the outcome.
This thread is about the litter and the mom. Go somewhere else with the rest of your faux outrage.
I have been here for more than a year and fought the good 0bama is an ass fight. I don’t have a clue why — unless you are the new PR person — you give one good damn about my opinion. But you can stop worrying about me ….
“This thread is about the litter and the mom.”
I know that, thank you. Stop making these silly comments taunting me to respond. Don’t direct them at me and I won’t respond. Now will YOU stay on topic? That’s the challenge.
“Go somewhere else with the rest of your faux outrage.”
Two things: I am neither fake nor am I outraged.
“I have been here for more than a year…”
Suffering from ‘entitlement’ are you? I’ve been reading Larry’s blog for quite a while, but what does that mean? I could show you examples of a story or two that he has used that I submitted in the past. Again, it means nothing. Let us refrain from a pissing contest. Mooooving right along.
“I don’t have a clue why you give one good damn about my opinion.”
Hmm. I don’t(?).
“But you can stop worrying about me …”
How vain.
BFT,
Once again, I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
I am expressing my outrage to those in the financial industry, the msm, elected officials EVERY DAY.
Thank you very much!
0cto-mom is now included.
Holy Shit! What you said Beebop!
I’m a lousy source for the joys of jobless single parenting 14+ children
- half of whom are disabled -
as I wouldn’t allow someone to adopt a pet under those circumstances.
And P.S. Mormon bashers: All
alleged religions/ terrorist organizations that treat women like shit demand that they have children endlessly.
The liberal hate crowd will always blame Bush and the Iraq war and skirt the real issue on this thread that this women should never have had these many babies without a proper support system.
Isn’t it amazing? A thread about a woman having 14 kids and we’re back to blaming Bush?
I’m bullish on Iraq and the people of Iraq are happy that they will enjoy the freedoms that Americans take for granted.
The country is poised to grow the most in this economic crisis is Iraq and will be rich while protecting the western civilized world by being our close ally.
The Iraq war is absolutely brilliant in preventing future resource wars with the potential killing millions.
Freedom is not Free
Making her into some kind of symbol — like Harriet — will backfire and they know it. Harriet has already been exposed. That is what this is about …. the media is not doing its job so everyone is out digging for facts and hitting the phonies like a mexican pinata. All the details come spilling out. When the 0bama truth starts to fall WATCH OUT … that’s when the death threats will get real.
Here’s what the real issue is:
Those babies are going to continue to need a certain level of care that will help them achieve developmental milestones. They are going to be delayed as they are 1. multiples 2. preemies.
How much is dependent on the quality and timeliness of the medical care they receive. That costs money. The state, just like ins, is slow to pay for that.
It does seems, after listening to her, that something is quite right with her. She seems to gloss over details that the average parent worries about. There is no way that her self-indulgent behavior hasn’t and won’t affect those babies and the other six.
However it’s looked at - it’s not looking good.
Well, AlexisM, you are clearly a much better human being than she is.
But I will say again (it’s still America, right?) that I think we have more important issues to worry about than one disturbed woman and her children.
And I have to wonder at the rage, by some here, at this woman when there is so much else to be far more angry about.
Does it make anyone feel better to assume she or he is a better person than this woman?
You win. You are.
Okay?
Then make your comments on that thread. You’re the one who came here criticizing the critical voices. Don’t like the facts? Too damn bad. There are people who do without. She already had six children. I am one of six and I can tell you that is a big family. The extra eight? She doesn’t even have a concept. She told Anne Curry that her plan was to spend “quality time” holding each one of them for 45 minutes … yeah. Quality. Next time she wants 8 of something, I might suggest GOLDFISH!
I am one of six, as well. That IS a large brood. BOTH of my parents were professionals. Neither parent spent money on stupid shit. And, we STILL had to do without things/attention on a regular basis.
If you mean, lightacandle, that since I would find it selfish, deranged, inappropriate, and destructive to have children I couldn’t care for that makes me a “better person?” Yup. This woman treated this litter like she was having cute, adorable little puppies. That’s not what the gift of human life is.
Where do you get off saying we aren’t angry about other things? I can’t stand Obama and I am full of rage every day. But why don’t you get that we can be angry about more than one thing in a day? On a sliding scale of rage lol. This is a discussion on a blog. The topic of the thread is what I am addressing. If you want to move to a Bush bashing thread, someone should start one. I really don’t get the connection to this woman’s troubles and Bush. Guess you do.
No, I don’t want to pay for these things. But more than that I am tired of the violent crimes, developmental issues, abuse, etc. that unwanted children end up committing. You do know about that, right? This isn’t just a woman having a cute litter of puppies. These puppies will grow up to be their own burdens to society more than likely. And I bet if your child was raped by one of this woman’s puppies you might change your tune.
Gee, I don’t know that serial murderers and rapists come from large families.
I believe Jeffrey Dahmer was one of two children in the Dahmer family.
So, what’s your point?
Since you know nothing about what makes a serial killer become a serial killer…that’s an irrelevant argument. Children of abusers have the highest likelihood of becoming abusers themselves. That’s just a fact. You might not want to get into this one with me since I have off and on for many years worked in the criminal justice system in the Victim/Witness Program. In fact my attorney father started the program in the state I am from so I have done it since I was 16. I know what makes a criminal and these kids have a big shot at living a crappy life with little or no attention and becoming abusers. Period.
I do not think Jeffery Dahmer ever said he had been abused or neglected by his parents.
lightacandle…sorry but you know nothing. His parents were going through an ugly divorce and they left him alone, literally by himself, in their home for weeks at a time. That’s when he started the killing spree. Maybe you can do some research on these things first? By the way, sociopaths and serial killers don’t need a reason to become what they are. But you happen to be 100% wrong about Dahmer. He had a horrible childhood and his parents neglected him. Case closed.
Some people you just got to ignore.
Anyone that can compare arresting a blind Shiek standing on a street corner with a bull horn out in the open to Bush’s lack of getting Bin laden clearly doesn’t understand the complexities of the war on terror and is consumed with blind hatred.
Shows you what rock I’m under. I’ve been so closely watching the global economic implosion, political corruption and bailout swindles, I haven’t had time for these distraction pieces. Who is this chick anyway?
Read the POST much?
The POST? As in? If you’re referring to some tabloid rag, then no. Never do I read those.
Perhaps this subject isn’t all that important. Wait. It isn’t. Not sure why it is. Live and let live. This is plain paparazzi infotainment fodder and is a distraction piece.
I’m of the side that sees trillions of dollars of taxpayer’s money being shelled out to banksters and corporations while millions lose their jobs, home and pensions and THIS single woman is what is upsetting you? How much could she possibly be bilking from the system? 10 grand? 20? more? How would that ever compare to the taxpayer dollars that are disappearing in the tens, if not, the hundreds of trillions?
There is also the matter of two Pennsylvania judges getting kickbacks to the tune of a couple million dollars for sending kids to a privately run juvie hall. “…in exchange for the bribes, the judges turned in guilty verdicts for the teens who appeared before them and sent them to juvie, thus enriching the operators of the kiddy gulag. For this, the judges received $2.6 million in kickbacks. First, the judges helped the detention centers land a county contract worth $58 million. Then their alleged scheme was to guarantee the operators a steady income by detaining juveniles, often on petty stuff.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/02/14/two_pa_judges_sued_in_kickback_scheme/
Where’s your outrage now? I’d be filing this Octo Lady thing in the ‘News-Not News’ file right about now. And please while you’re at it, turn off the Dr. Phil and Oprah as I’m sure that this is where this is coming from.
I thought, for a moment, that I was on the TMZ website.
Blunt Force Trauma -
This wasn’t your blog the last time I checked.
Either go to an Open Thread - or do the author the courtesy of reading the Post.
Manners. Etiquette. Hello?!
“This wasn’t your blog the last time I checked.”
Where did I state that it was? There are but two of you railroading this discussion.
“Either go to an Open Thread - or do the author the courtesy of reading the Post.”
Now who is it that feelks that it is their blog? Directing others are you? I have read the posting and was scuccinct in my response.
“Manners. Etiquette. Hello?!”
One that should follow their own advice.
Shows you what rock I’m under. I’ve been so closely watching the global economic implosion, political corruption and bailout swindles, I haven’t had time for these distraction pieces. Who is this chick anyway?
So was this just garbage?
Please. There are threads about the global bailout — necessary due to Fannie and Freddie and all of those people whose credit was based on unemployment — this one was about the big fraud being perpetrated in California. If you’re not interested, why comment?
Because I don’t understand this woman’s alleged importance compared to far greater events that DO effect us is “garbage”?
Now I see it is with those who are playing hall monitor that are having a problem with understanding my simple question.
What a bunch of misguided anger. Have at it, ‘Hilary’, ‘Alexis’ and ‘Julie’. Nothing like driving a straight thought into the ground.
Responsble, mature people would point out, calmly, why this issue is important, while disregarding those that are, rather than screaming and running around with their hair on fire belittling everyone that doesn’t agree with you. Thanks for proving my point with your reactions.
Troll.
…and there it is…
More proof of what I’m saying. I’m asking legitimate questions and I’m being harrassed by one word name-calling. Thanks, Alexis. You’re a true debater.
I called your statement potential garbage.
She can have all of the children she can support. We are not hall monitors. You might have notice the post I left about why not finish the degree, get a job with health coverage, move into a bigger house and then have another go at invitro? She’s 33, not 43. She had time. What’s the issue?
Sorry you don’t like other people’s opinions. That’s what blogs are. You might want to start your own. Good luck.
“I called your statement potential garbage.”
Uncalled for and unfair. It was an opinion and people are allowed to ahve them.
“She can have all of the children she can support.”
Agreed.
“You might have notice the post I left about why not finish the degree, get a job with health coverage, move into a bigger house and then have another go at invitro? She’s 33, not 43.”
Yes, she has the time. But then who is actually at fault? Her? The doctors? The state? Or are all complicit? Someone had to authorize the invitro and did no one take notice at the state level when her social assistance needs kept growing? To wish death upon this woman (figuratively speaking) doesn’t seem to be constructive when these questions aren’t being raised.
“Sorry you don’t like other people’s opinions.”
Putting words into my mouth, are you? Prove as to where I stated that?
skip to the loo ….
OMG beebop you are killing me. ROFLMAO.
??????
can i please make a request that we either *zip it* on this little fight, or just debate the issues.
beebop has to run to the Water Closet…potty time LOL.
yeah …. so much for a pizzing contest ….
AGII you did a wonderful job. But seriously, there were links to the information and honest debate before the head butter just started to throw his/her weight around.
And honestly? If you don’t have all of the facts, why would you pick a fight with people who obviously do? I found the line of ignorance at the end not believable. But you did a great job.
i read a few commenters who were complaining about the topic, so I kind of unloaded all at once to all of them.
something happened the other day, some big second grade fight broke out in another story. I missed it all, but heard about it. Just don’t want that to happen again.
:O)
No one has to come to a thread they don’t like. That’s the beauty of a blog. If people want to be respectful of the owners of this site, and politely debate the issue of the thread, great. But it gets a little weird to get attacked by these
trollspeople who get verbally abusive and attack you for posting on topic. Thanks for your intervention.agreed!
Blunt force trauma - Please try to stay on topic.
We post a variety of topics on this blog, and if you do not like the content of a certain post, you are welcome to go to any other post on the blog, and comment about issues you deem important and relevant.
This happens to be a topic that many people find important and interesting.
Her Doctor planted six embryos in her uterus, when 2 or 3 are recommended. I am concerened about her pre-invro care, by the fact that she would have gone through some psychiatric counseling prior to the implants, and past! Her doctors should have seen that she is clearly obsessed with Jolie.
This is important because she is $50,000 in debt from school loans, received $150,000 in a settlement due to a work related back injury, which she hid from her mother, and used for plastic surgery to look like Angelina Jolie. She receives food stamps, three of her kids are disabled and recieve money from the state. Her 8 newbies will cost over a million dollars in the hospital, a bill she can’t afford.
And she spends what money she does have on plastic surgery, invitro and manicures. She lives with her mother who is caring for the six kids, driving her to her wits end, and the kids live in a one room pigsty.
She put herself, and her babies at risk, and she is putting all of her 14 children at risk. And she is doing this on the tax payers dime.
This opens up a lot of discussions about where doctors should be responsible, and where parents should be responsible. And what about the burden to the state, who will now be responsible for her bills!
But the most gregious errors of this situation are the number of embryos implanted, and her mental state, and the care of these 14 kids.
Thanks for pointing that out and I did ask those very questions (look up to 5 message). I did not get a fair response, until yours. Others have demoted this comments section to another level.
we can all kiss and make up. :OD
AGI…Thank you.
Thank you American Girl in Italy for putting it all in perspective.
There are a number of important issues in this situation. As someone upthread pointed out, she used money for the IVF, money that could have gone to the 6 already here.
I’m not surprised that she hid money from her mother. That demonstrates her juvenile mentality. That’s something a teen would do, not a responsible adult.
But her mother should have known she was getting the money from somewhere. Unfortunately, a lot of parents like to hide their heads in the sand.
Her parents enabling her is a big issue in this as well. Parents today have developed into serial enablers and again, it’s not doing the society any good.
I’m so glad someone finally pointed out that this is the topic of this thread. The idea that people feel entitled to come to a thread and complain that we shouldn’t be discussing a certain topic while ignoring the obvious is absurd.
Go to another thread if you don’t find the subject useful.
I don’t read topics that I have fierce disagreements about. What is it about some who can’t do the same? To me, it smacks of the same kind of mentality that 0cto-mom has. The ‘it’s all about me mentality.’
It’s being self-absorbed and delusional.
I guess the people defending her are living large. Well, I’m not. And I’m tired of this type of selfish, indulgent behavior.
And I intend to voice my outrage about until such time as I become tired of the topic or bored with it.
And there ain’t nothing anyone can do about it.
If she can bear 14 children and need my tax dollars, then I can voice my opinion about it till the cows come home.
No one asked her to have these children.
Some Muslim man just recently beheaded his wife because she had sued for divorce and had obtained a restraining order against him.
There hasn’t been one tenth the discussion about this, in the media, compared to the amount of time and rage directed at this woman.
I understand the media does not want to whip up anger against other Muslims, and that’s a valid and good reason.
But it does seem people in general can get angrier about what women do (that they don’t approve of ) than they do about men doing similarly awful things.
Why do you suppose that is?
Why do you keep deflecting attention from the issue at hand? If you want to go look at something horrifying, then go look at Atlas Shrugs as Pamela Geller has pictures of every single woman she could find who has suffered from an honor killing by her husband, brother, etc. How do you equate that we aren’t outraged about that because we don’t want a woman having an in vitro litter of what she considers puppies?
We can’t whip up anger towards Muslims. Not when the so called President is now showing us what he thinks of them. Who’s going to take up our anger about that? Barack Hussein Obama? Yeah, right.
So, because I think those poor 14 kids are going to get a shoddy life that means that I promote honor killings? There have been threads about honor killings here. If you are outraged ask Susan to start one. I’ll join you.
I think some people come to NoQuarter for the sole purpose of disagreeing. This lightacandle is yet another troll, probably posts under other names and argues with us about Obama in other threads.
Hillary or Bust…I actually think I know who this troll is and you are right.
I think they might want to add “Suffering From” to the beginning of Blunt Force Trauma and then they would be right on the money ….
Why is that a good reason? So murder is OK with you?
Small wonder you think Oconut is Wonder Mom.
Wow…you keep coming back with unrelated stuff. So just because there are so many vile and stupid things other people do, we shouldn’t discuss any of them ever? We can’t focus on any one at all?
Mind you what that man did is considered a crime and being treated like one. Nadya Suleman is a celebrity now and making money out of this selfish act while I think she needs to be institutionalized or punished in some way.
That’s the difference!!
Now go somewhere else to discuss Bush or Obama, we might help you out when some critics tell you to care about other “more important things” to focus your energy on.
AlexisM,
I have already said you are a better human being than that women. You are probably a better human than I have ever come across. You know more about what is relevant in life than I do. You know more about this woman and what her children will grow up to be than I do. Will that suffice?
NS posted a thread. The respectful posters gave on topic responses about their feelings towards this woman. You went off on everyone with outrage that we would discuss this petty, irrelevant topic, instead of blame Bush. I responded to you. Will that suffice?
Oh, AlexisM, I didn’t realize you were the hall monitor here on what is relevant, what is respectful, and what is unkind and over the top.
Would you like to have a say about who gets to have babies, and how many each person can have?
Should this woman be locked up for ripping off the taxpayer, sterilized and her children placed in good homes?
Just curious.
Anyone else on your list?
I assume I am. Too bad about that.
GO TO A DIFFERENT THREAD ….
You’re the one bemoaning picking on poor poor poor miss stretch marks.
Bush is bad? Find a thread in Huffpoopingville and pile on there … I think you’d be happier.
lightacandle -
Now that you realize AlexisM is the hall monitor do still think Octonut should have more kiddies?
If so, how many litters is enough?
Why don’t you go back and read my first post on this issue?
lightacandle -
Why don’t you learn the difference between a Post (as in stick to the subject of the Post)
and a comment (as in trying to dodge mine to you),
when it is clearly written underneath the many off topic things you wrote?
If Octonut wants 50 children - disabled and not - do you think she should be allowed to have them?
LOL…Where exactly do you get off? And, yes, I think that people should be responsible. Aren’t you people the ones that push abortions and birth control? Why aren’t you pushing your agenda on a woman that not only didn’t have an “accident” but went out of her way to get in vitro fertilization, have a litter, get a Hollywood agent and publicist, went on the dole, and then somehow figured a way to pay for that in vitro and some plastic surgery to boot? Smells like fraud to me and I’m not paying for this crap. Period.
AlexisM,
“Where exactly do you get off?”
I get off exactly the same place you do.
This is America, and this is a board open to the public.
You would like to be — but are not — in charge of who has babies or how many they have, and I assume that bothers you.
I believe, as you do, that this woman is a troubled person; I just have to wonder why the rage at a person who seems to have emotional problems.
There have been times in history when the state has sterilized certain people the state thought should not have children; the state also sterilized (or killed) the offspring of such “defective” parents.
Is that what you are recommending?
I am recommending, “lightacandle,” that you stay on topic, stop abusing people for doing so, and also stop baiting people by misrepresenting the content of their posts. If you are going to speak to me, then please read my posts and interpret them in the spirit they are written. Thank you.
Troll.
the blatant misogyny in this thread is shocking, given the support this blog has given to women. This article and the media hysterics is just another episode of the right wing talking point that black/latin/illegal mothers have tons of children to abuse the wellfare system.
Yet another troll. Please. You wouldn’t know women’s issues if they bit you on the butt.
Can you imagine? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Sure. We’re bigot racists who are bad for women. Move on.
Just as I suspected - one person here posting under multiple names.
Adding an “er” to HARP … taking a “D” off Julie …. what a bunch of losers and low life enemployable a**holes.
It’s someone Susan has already had a problem with and told to STFU. You all know who this is. Had a pretty big problem the other night. Look at the posts and the wording. I bet it’s the same shit disturber.
Can the initials sometimes refer to a water closet?
beebop…LMFAO. BINGO!!!!
“shit disturber” should have been enough. Sometimes I am a little slow on the uptake. But thanks for the hint there woman! The fact that names of regulars are being used should also have made me see yellow ….
skip to the loo? (I hope old grumpy guy is checking in …. he’d appreciate that I think ….)
Well, under Aid For Dependent Children, the social workers told those women to have extra kids for extra cash. That was done away with but wanna bet how many are in gangs and prison now? 80%?
Mysoginy?? You must be deranged or stupid. Focus on topic please.
I find it delicious to point out that octomom is WHITE …. so the meme that WC is spinning is too funny for words …
BTW, someone calculated over on the LA Times blog that Suleman’s 14 children will turn into 2 million people someday (assuming they all breed). There’s a bigger issue here of overpopulation and we should not reward women for birthing huge broods like this through in vitro.
I personally think Palin has a few too many children but there’s a difference between 5 that you had yourself and can manage with your husband, and 14 you can’t even pay for without public assistance.
We should be encouraging people to have fewer children, not more, and we should not turn baby-making into a profit-making center, or stuff like this will continue to happen.
The result? Weak, sickly, developmentally disabled children with psychological problems that burden our country and put a massive strain on the environment.
Yes, this is an issue worthy of discussion. Never mind the whole issue of women using babies as self-esteem enhancers, which is extremely counter to feminism.
She can’t pay for them even WITH public assistance. It is beyond apprehensible. If she won’t even consider putting them up for adoption - CPS needs to step in and give these babes a chance at a life.
If that mom had a lick of sense, none of this would have happened in the first place. Be that as it may, she has said that she loves her kids. Well, lady, put your money (aka money to u) where mouth is and put those kids first for once.
She can’t pay for them even WITH public assistance. It is beyond apprehensible. If she won’t even consider putting them up for adoption - CPS needs to step in and give these babes a chance at a life.
If that mom had a lick of sense, none of this would have happened in the first place. Be that as it may, she has said that she loves her kids. Well, lady, put your money (aka heart to u) where mouth is and put those kids first for once.
Wow!
miss stretch marks, puppies, litter ………….
You are correct - no misogyny here!
And don’t try to call me a troll, I am well known for my opinions.
CAROL HAKA
Carol …
I am not supportive of every woman. As a woman, I don’t think that is necessary. I don’t support female murderers, sexual abusers, or deadbeats. I am an equally caustic observer of bad human behavior. Male and female.
Misogyny is hating women simply because they are women.
It is not misogyny to despise a woman who abuses children for her own selfish ego.
I am an equally caustic observer of bad human behavior. Male and female.
haahahahha love that!
Me, too AGI.
I call’em as I see’em.
Just because you are a woman, doesn’t mean you are above reproach.
Nothing to do with misogyny whatsoever. This woman is the one treating these babies like objects to get money, attention and further her deranged agenda. You should feel sorry for those children instead of repeatedly verbally attacking those of us who have concern for the welfare of those 14 babies.
That’s ridiculous…even if she was a guy (say a guy could bear kids), people would have felt the same way.
It’s nothing to do with her being a woman, more about her narcissistic, harmful, irresponsible behavior period.
mylifeontheglist…well said!
i think 8 babies qualifies as a litter!
Seriously. Most dogs and cats don’t even have that many. But at least they have the maternal instinct to care for their young at all costs.
“But at least they have the maternal instinct to care for their young at all costs.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do recall that most animal species, even cat or dog, leave a sickly (runt) offspring to the side and nurse only the healthy offspring so as not to have less for those healthier offspring.
Well, my dogs never did that. Maybe I gave them some character.
Most runts face their biggest foe in their larger brothers/sisters as they do battle for resources. Not to mention natural preditors who find it easier to pick on the weakest.
You don’t have to hate all women to be a misogynist. You only have to hate women that don’t fall into a particular category that you agree with.
The name calling is the dead give away.
Anyway, good luck!
CAROL HAKA
Then you are, by your own definition, a misogynist, since you are hating on us for being critical of Octomom.
Thus, by calling us misogynists, you yourself are a misogynist!
At least, according to your own twisted logic.
So, by preferring Dorothy to the Wicked Witch of the West I prove that I am opposed to strong, independent women …. right ….
Sorry, Carol. Our lack of pcness might be crude insofar as you are concerned, but you are either very naive or working on your spelling.
I haven’t hated anyone.
My logic isn’t twisted, I cited one aspect of the definition.
Sor-ry, you’ll have to do better than that!
CAROL HAKA
Carol, with all due respect, calling us names is really not cool. None of us are misogynists. Most of us fought for the women in this past election and continue to do so. What if I called you a child abuser because you think it’s okay that this woman has done what she has done? Maybe laying off the name calling is the best way to end this rather incorrect conversation and assault. You don’t know me or anything about me. Kind of a rush to judgment don’t you think?
From what I’m reading the objective has been achieved. The thread has good chunk of arguments about left vs. right, conservative vs liberal.
The topic is not about Bush, Cheney, Obama or left/right issues.
New trolls - same as the old trolls. Left/right and politics be damned.
No one has suggested this woman should have been forced to have an abortion. We’re saying she can have all of the kids she wants and she should pay for their care herself.
But a whole lot of so-called liberals claimed Sarah Palin should have been forced to have an abortion. Because her son was born handicapped and we can’t have that.
That is my take on it, as well. I know it is *so* yesterday, but the terms responsibility and accountability should be at work here. She has a right to have all the children she wants. She is also responsible for them and accountable to society for raising them.
My point - if you decide to pick and choose who gets to do what in a democracy by how much it will cost society, then you leave yourself open for the same scrutiny.
You smoked - so too bad you need oxygen now and have cancer.
You are fat - so too bad you need insulin and have heart disease.
You drank - so too bad you have liver disease.
You used drugs - so too bad you are addicted.
You got a suntan every year - so too bad you now have skin cancer.
You got old - so too bad you should just die.
I don’t want to pay for your use of Medical Benefits for your behavior because it makes insurance more expensive for me. And, if you don’t get to work and keep your insurance, you are a ward of Medicaid.
Name your decision that will ultimately lay at the foot of your fellow citizens to foot the bill …………………..
CAROL HAKA
False analogy, toodles–you’re comparing pineapples to hand grenades.
Your examples are self-inflicted, as it were.
On the other hand, she has brought 14 victims of her warped personality into the world that will be behind the 8-ball from day one through no fault of their own. Too bad you don’t consider that in your zero-sum post.
You really must make an honest effort to make valid comparisons.
Right-O Ferd. And Carol has never once expressed concern for those 14 kids and their well being. Just insisting that this woman should do whatever she wants, harm children, and we should pay for it.
And what is with that angry face? And online last name? Sounds like a cat with a hair ball. Carol strikes me as miserable and pizzed off to boot. But hey. Whatever gets you to the light!
Sorry if you don’t know what a HAKA means.
Look it up.
I like the hairballs myself Carol …. thanks.
Most comments have been about the monetary cost to taxpayers of having these children.
That is what I was addressing toodler.
Having been the 2nd oldest of 6 children that parents could not afford to raise and having been the responsible party that stayed behind to help raise them, I am very aware of being cued up on a daily basis.
CAROL HAKA
If you’re going to argue costs through the use of analogies, they must be valid to have any merit. Yours wasn’t and that is my point.
Carol, whatever. You have missed the point sadly. I would imagine you might be a child of the 60’s? Let it all hang out, burn your bra and all that? Well, that attitude, that people should do whatever they want and stick it to the “pigs” the rich people, is sort of passe and selfish. In a time with limited resources, a world in trouble, etc. how you can possibly be an “adult” and defend this disgusting act by this pathetic woman is really bizarre. We are asking people to take personal responsibility which this woman didn’t. Not only did she not put the rubber on, to try to stop a child she couldn’t care for. Nope. She went and paid a doctor to give her more kids she can’t pay for. You can’t defend it. It’s wrong. Period.
you raise good points
It is telling to see liberals complain about a woman having an excess of children when they are the defenders of reproductive “choice”.
and it is also telling when conservatives complain about the excesive number of children when it;s their wallet that is affected.. I guess the “sanctity” of life is relative.. as long as someone else is paying,
I guess the liberals and cons can all agree that a reproductive license is necessary. like china.. I guess Obambi could create a new bureocracy to regulate childbirth. Women will have to prove their financial and mental status to have children. After all, why should we taxpayers pay to feed and raise children that aren’t ours? Any pregnancies that are considered a burden to taxpayers should be culled immediately.
False dilemma. How about emphasizing responsibility and accountability, first? Or is that too much for you those who want all the rights asssociated with a free society but none of the responsibilities thereof.
If it feels good, do it is not a motto by which one can live a civilized existence.
Sure. It’s all our fault. Uh huh. Boy. That was fast.
harper, come on, really? So you equate a teen pregnancy that was a mistake or accident with a lunatic, narcissist, Hollywood wannabe, who purposely had herself impregnated with 8 embryos while her other 6 kids, 3 of whom are disabled, sat at home? Why don’t you stop being so extreme and partisan? We are all people here concerned about the well being of 14 kids. Try to have a heart and not hate.
AlexisM.
I am not hating. I am just posting my thoughts after reading this thread.
I really think she is mentally unfit to care for those children. however, i wont insult her, just like i dont insult people with mental illnesses, Thats my problem with the reactions provoked by the sensationalist coverage and the selfrighteous reactions posted.
if she had had 14 kids naturally and not invitro, would it be ok? is it ok to have 2 or 3 babies while on wellfare? is that less narcisistic than having 4? where’s the line? we all agree that she’s crossed a boundary, but who decides? In this case the doctor who implanted those embryos should have made the call. but if she had done it the regular way, many times,, who makes the call that she has “excessive” number of children.
If you want my opinion, it’s never okay to have a child when you are on welfare. Why on earth would it be? How can you defend that nonsense???? You people don’t get it. What about the child and their life? You actually think that the people who work for their money should just write endless checks to those who don’t? Why? But that’s not the point really.
No she shouldn’t have had 14 children. What’s the matter with you? Common sense? I don’t have 14 because I can’t pay for them and I work. I made choices. This planet belongs to all of us and we owe it to each other to be responsible. What sheer ignorance for women to just sit around on welfare having babies. I have too much self esteem and pride to do that. Too bad others don’t.
Also, what about providing a safe, stable home for children? You don’t care about that? Because the prisons are full of these people. And other institutions. They do grow up from being cute little Barbie Dolls to adults, remember?
This thread was about our opinions on this situation. I remain appalled. And so is this woman’s OWN MOTHER. I would trust her own mother more for an opinion. God help those children. And I can’t wait until welfare for this crap is a thing of the past and only for people who truly need it.
All I know is that I wouldn’t bring a child into this world without first knowing that I could provide a wonderful home,education and opportunities that a child needs to make it in this rough and tumble world.
I agree that “ideally” nobody should have kids unless they are capable of providing for them. But that is not reality. there are thousands of poor mothers who due to any number of circumstances and issues, end up in welfare. the reality is that those 14 kids exist now and will need assistance. it doesn’t matter if its 14 kids by one mother or 14 kids by 14 different women.
To advocate the elimination of the system that helps the most vulnerable in society, just to “punish” someone like Nadia suleman is overreacting.
I’m all for the “system” being used to take these children away from her and put them in better homes, because I believe what Suleman would put them through would be child abuse.
But pay HER to take care of them? No way, no how.
Apparently Suleman just bought a $500 Nintendo WII + accessories with her donation money, by the way. Will she be taxed on that income? Meanwhile my taxes go to pay for her manicures. Sickening.
Those children should be given up for adoption to people who are willing to care for them and want them. Instead of just insisting that people write checks who can’t afford to.
Any woman on welfare shouldn’t have a child. Period. If someone has a child and falls on hard times, that’s another thing. But under no circumstances should society instruct women that it’s okay to get pregnant when they have no way of supporting that child, no husband or father for the child around, etc. That’s amoral, irresponsible and it’s wrong to expect people to pay for it.
Like I said, welfare should be to help those who truly need it. Big difference. I didn’t say eliminate the system, again you are being extreme. I said that people who deserve assistance should get it until they get on their feet. That is why it was created. Not for your interpretation of it. Most people on welfare are quite capable of working. But why would they? Henrietta Hughes is the poster child for this crap.
I keep trying to respond to this and my comments keep getting fried. But I was saying something similar.
HOB email Susan and tell her you are getting chewed by the Spam Monster in the subject line and she will retrieve it. I love your posts so go find them LOL.
Comment in the spam filter, help! I was talking about the $500 Suleman just spent on a Nintendo…
I want the “system” to take her kids away from her, not make me pay for her manicures, lip implants, and in vitro!
there are thousands of poor mothers who due to any number of circumstances and issues, end up in welfare.
How many of them would use $160,000 for plastic surgery and invitro?
You talk like ending up
inon welfare is something no one expects … you’re serious, right? no GED? GET ONE. And certainly don’t weigh yourself down with little lives that need food, shelter, clothing, medical care and love and attention?This is why I’m going to make sure in 2010 and 2012 we get rid of the commies in Congress and stop this crap. Decent hard working people should never have to pay for the stupid, drunk, lazy, drug addicted, whatever people that think they can lay around having kids and we will support them. It’s infuriating.
How about the lawsuit filed by that kid in Washington State I think? There was a kid whose mother was on welfare, a crack addict and drunk, of course with no job, and she had a car accident with her kid in the car while she was loaded and crippled him. He sued his state because his contention was that people with normal jobs have to be drug tested, why wasn’t his junkie welfare mother? Now her son is in a wheelchair for life. And you people think we should pay for this nonsense. No way. Oh and it would be so not PC to make the poor junkie crack ho have a mandatory drug test, right? Ask her son.
PS he won the suit.
We are already living in a welfare state.
This is so silly….are you just trying to be a devil advocate? Who decides? Freaking common sense and common decency. Two would be bad, 14 is HORRENDOUS for a single unemployed woman on welfare. That’s why we’re talking about it.
Now, instead wasting your energy bashing the people who bash this woman, why don’t you go to Obama’s/Bush’s threads and start to bash them there?
I’m clear.
If you can have octuplets the old-fashioned way, then shut my mouth.
And this is the crucial point of this discussion. How many natural births of 8 babies have occured?
That’s your answer right there.
There finally needs to be a discussion on ethics regarding invitro. If doctors can’t be counted on to behave in an ethical manner then there needs to be guidelines.
I know a lot of people would like to dictate that no woman should have a child if she can’t support one. I personally don’t go that far.
If Suleman had stopped at 6, I would not be having this discussion. But she didn’t.
When her last babies, twins, were approximately 15 months old, she used money that could have gone for the children who are already here, to have 6 embryos implanted in her. Subsequently, 2 of those embryos split.
Does this sound like someone playing with a full deck?
Of course it doesn’t.
The idea that American citizens can behave like spoiled rotten petulant teenagers and trivialize our basic freedoms with irresponsible choices and ask us to pick up the tab, then lines have to drawn.
We are in a different place in our society.
Behavior that was once supported can no longer be taken for granted. And sadly, there is going to be less sympathy for people’s indulgent behavior. That’s the reality of a society dealing with huge economic realities, environmental issues, terrorism and nuclear threats.
Maybe had we ALL behaved responsibly, things would not be this out of hand. But this is where we are right now and there’s going to be a new world order if only by attrition.
It would be better for us to structure it rationally before things get totally out of hand.
By the way, I wouldn’t put it past Herr B-Crack to do what China did. He’s well on the way with our health care already.
No …. he needs those young voters to keep him in office. He can’t fool the old people so they get to die.
Calif. Assembly to Consider Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
January 15, 2008
A high-school student born to a drug-using mom has proposed a law that would require welfare applicants in California to submit to testing for illicit drugs, and the state Assembly will soon be considering the proposal.
The City News Service reported Jan. 12 that R.J. Feild, a sophomore at Jurapa Valley High School in Mira Loma, proposed the law as part of a “There Ought to Be a Law” contest sponsored by Assemblyman John J. Benoit.
“R.J.’s captivating story provided a clear reason why we need his law,” Benoit said. “I look forward to introducing ‘RJ’s Law’ in this legislative session.”
Feild suffers from cerebral palsy; he was born underweight and with traces of heroin, cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, alcohol, and cocaine in his body. His mother, who was on public assistance, used drugs throughout her pregnancy.
A spokesperson for Benoit said the bill was intended to “break the destructive cycle of supporting drug addicts with public assistance monies.”
So, who thinks we should pay for this crap? Not me.
Thanks for posting this.
Why is it that the obvious has to slap people in the face? Bleeding heart politics has it’s living breathing consequences. Here is the progeny of such a sad case who has to live in a harsh disabled cirucmstance proving that it’s no fun to have been born this way and live it all of your life. The federal government enabled his mother to do this to his life.
Maybe this what it’s going to take. Generations of offspring either becoming advocates for future generations or suing the pants off the gov’t.
It makes me sick. Literally. We aren’t helping people when we allow them to behave this way, abuse themselves and their offspring, and pay for it hand over fist. I can’t believe hardworking people have to pay for this crap and it’s way more than we think. And it’s going to get worse. The people who pay the most are these kids who never had a chance. The babies born with fetal alcohol syndrome, AIDS, you name it, all because we have become a society of zero accountability, passing the buck, laziness and sloth. Let someone else pay for your lack of responsibility, oops that person paying is a child. It’s heartbreaking and wrong on so many levels.
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Kudos to your post! An unemployed mom with 6 kids receiving disability benefits for three of them wonders why people are outraged when she seeks out invitro treatments (very expensive procedures) and lets the doctor implant her with 8 embryos?
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