An alarming video every Westerner should see
By Old Grumpy Guy on February 17, 2009 at 5:05 PM in 9/11, Al Qaeda, Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Iran, Iraq, Islam, Israel, Jews, Jihadists, Terrorism
Anyone (like Barack Obama) entertaining ideas of western democracies establishing friendly relations with the radicals of the Islamic world should watch this video.
While watching the inflammatory rhetoric of the speaker, remember that this is not a jahidist from Iran but a professor from Kuwait – a country with every reason to be grateful to the USA for liberating it from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein’s invasion.
Qatar, the country from which it was broadcast, is also supposed to be one of the Middle East countries more friendly to the USA than others in the region.
Together with increasing criticism from supposedly friendly Iraqis about America’s operations in the region, it suggests that America is fighting a losing battle in its attempts to win friends in the region, and that a final showdown with Islamic extremism is inevitable, since there is no room for compromise with people who believe as this Kuwaiti professor does.
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Yes but “harken back” to “20 or 30 years ago” when America and the Muslim world were at peace. I know this is true because Obama told me so on TV.
What is this I read about Obama’s podium being fitted out with a video feed and earpiece for future national addresses? Any truth to it?
I guess that they would only need to look at this
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/03/mccains-spiritual-guide-destroy-islam
The World is a better place when you sideline the extremists.
Not a chance. He lied through his teeth & he knew he was lying. Remember problems with these people during the Reagan years. There were problems in the Carter years too. That climaxed with the seizure of the American embassy in Tehran. They fought against us in both World Wars.
Do a Google search on the Barbary pirates. You’ll see we have never lived in peace with these people. You’ll see how they picked a fight with us (declared jihad) from our nation’s inception.
Curt
Don’t get me started. We all know who and what Obama is. Look at his first phone call as CIC. We’re doomed. He has no interest in fighting against radical Islamic terrorists, none. He wants to set them free to wander America, and also signed an EO to let Hamas terrorists “migrate” here with US taxpayers paying for their food, shelter and “migration” expenses.
These are his friends and the people he loves and respects. Ask his mentor and best friend Rashid Khalidi. America played a dangerous game electing a freak with Obama’s background and associations. We all got called “racists” for not wanting this in the White House. There’s no bigger America hater in the world than Obama and he has no plans to stop these terrorists from blowing us off the planet. Hey, they’re probably his cousins, or the family members of his “mentors.”
PS. And there’s that other great guy, Khalid Al Monsour, who paid for the Fraud’s Harvard Education. If you’ve ever seen the videos of what he thinks of Americans you won’t sleep at night.
I would like to see the videos. How can I view them?
Note Obama’s closest associations:
Wright of the “G-D America” crowd.
Ayers who is still claiming to this day that blowing up bombs to achieve a political objective is not terrorism.
Rezko a fraudster and slumlord, whose victims were poor black folk, helped Obama launch his political career.
Blago, accused of trying to sell a Senate seat,
was a fundraiser for Obama.
Yet Obama was pure, above the fray, and didn’t recognize what going on around him.
Yet can recognize the character(s) of other people he hasn’t met who live in other countries.
Sigh.
You also forgot Warren Buffet, and the General in charge of national security, the admiral in charge of National Intelligence, you knots make me ashameto be a Republican. I served 21 yrs in the military and mostly ALL the so called neo-con hawks as NEVER SERVED. This our beloved country is in a mess that our Republican ideology brought us, so PLEASE, let us come together for the better of our country.
Don’t get me started. We all know who and what Obama is
Go on then? WHo and what is he? I understand he is the President of the United States.
As for extremism, they are best ignored after all
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/03/mccains-spiritual-guide-destroy-islam
that is equally as alarming.
The way for evil to triumph is for good men and women to to do nothing. McCain is not in the WH now is he?
I guess you Obots got tired of blaming Hillary for everything. Now it’s McCain is bad too! The exact same attitude we all got from Bush supporters who spent the entire Bush administration blaming Bill Clinton for everything. But that was bad and this is good.
Exactly.
The same insane cycle continues with the underachieving, low-standard Obrats.
So were George W. Bush. And Richard M. Nixon. Both twice.
So that doesn’t mean s—, ego trip.
No. We elect our presidents not select them. A political party stealing other candidates’ delegates does not an election make. However, we’re getting so many selected ones that we will have to start another list: Elected presidents and selected presidents.
After 8 years of hearing that “terrorists” are coming to get us, I am beyond surprised that the whole U. S. government thinks these terrorists detailing how to bring antrax in to maximize U. S. deaths is not a worry.
Mr. Soertoro, like his clone Bush, must also be tired of “swatting [terrorist] flies” because this has been circulating out there for awhile
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-2488.htm
And like Mr. Bush ignoring the August 6 PDB outlining terrorists threats, Mr. Soertoro/Obama (still no legal verification of name) is rumored to have struck a secret deal with Bush’s kissing close old Saudi friends, Saudi King Abdullah. Being in the worst of economic times, I do not enjoy having my tax dollars go to support any group, be they Hamas, al Qaida or any other terrorist group. It’s time We the People prove that we still have the pioneer spirit that created this great democracy and “Don’t thread on me!” determination of our forefathers.
And there goes Hillary, to meet muslim Indonesian protestors telling her to get out of Indonesia, where Oboy spent half his youth. Hillary is being duped, and used by obOy. and islam marches on.
Perhaps so, but the question in Obama’s and Rahm’s mind is: If we give all non-citizens who can somehow get into this country the right to vote, including radical jihadists, will they vote Democratic? That’s what Obama, Nancy and Jim are counting on. I think that an Obama position of “vote for me before you nuke or bio me” could be very persuasive to these terrorists.
No Obama fan here, but you say this just as he’s authorized another 17k troop to go into Afghanistan. He also took take a very hard line about going after Bin Laden, the Taliban + Al-Quida in the region duirng the election and he seems to be holding to that promise.
The last administration ignored the best Military minds in the business on Iraq. The ones that told them they needed adequate troops to control the borders, maintain order in the cities, and reconstitute as many non-hardline Sunni military as possible to give them a stake in the country rather then turn them into armed insurgents looking for a paycheck to feed their families. How may of our men and women lost life and limb because of piss poor strategy and planning? How many Iraqi’s? It took a mid-term election loss for them to change the chain of command.
Rev Moss III and (other)”God Damn America” preachers are paving the way for the stealth jihadists.
Has everyone seen “Homegrown Jihad?” It was on Hannity last night. Wanna know how many terrorist TRAINING CAMPS are here in America?
You can Google it, but I will try to find a link. They’re right in our own backyard. Upstate NY I think it was. Nice, huh? Wanna bet Obama gives them some Welfare checks and a bunch of our taxpayer dollars?
I saw the clips/vids/photos of the training compounds in Georgia, New York, Virginia and elsewhere last week. Think Hot Air had the story. Very disturbing. Of course, the question is: why is this allowed to continue?
As far as anyone wishing to establish “friendly” relations with radical Islamists? That’s a fool’s errand.
We cannot negotiate with guns. Or fanatics. Nor should we, until members of the political organizations are willing to reject violence and come peaceably to the table. That’s where skilled diplomacy and patience comes in.
But one thing I’m certain of: it won’t happen in a hurry, even though I have tremendous respect for George Mitchell and people like him.
But someone like this maniac in the vid? It’s unlikely, he’ll never be reasoned with. It’s like trying to deal with a rabid dog.
They are in at least 15 states, and have been for years. Remember the term “sleeper cells”?
Remember what ObOy said in his book–
if the political winds shift, i will side with the muslims.
Syria reaches out to ObOy, and plans to destabilize Pakistan to put HIS boys in. Remember his ‘youthful vacations” to Pakistan where no American could travel? He was in Lahore. But who was he with?
Very good! Glad someone else is noticing the pattern. Angry Black Muslims, ranting Afro-centered Christian theologists, surrepticious Arab money by the millions = a radical turn in American polity.
Please continue your education by visiting the
Brigitte Gabriel site–American Congress for Truth.
She is not politically correct as she discloses
first-hand knowledge of the Islamic agenda.
Thank you and peace. “We hang together or we will
hang separately.”
I went to You Tube to see a video of the fireball in the Texas sky this morning.
While there I found one that made no sense to me.
It was a call for Muslims.
I copied the video address but it will not work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZXQJy_nGC8&NR=1
It was posted by a person calling themselves
i protect the innocent.
I was really weird to find that video among the news videos of the event in Texas.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
I saw that helenk. WTF is that about?
I have no idea. I found it by accident.
I was looking for a video of the Texas fireball this morning.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
It is a prayer, no matter what hardships are brought, love is found through peace.
So what do you have against that?
Arab money is buying up America, including our
communication outlets. No surprise here.
Propaganda is a useful tool to any political movement.
I watched it also, helenk. Kept watching for the fireball, never found it. How “clever” to hide a Muslim propaganda video under that rubric! The video itself was very well done–good music, good chanting, good images–a real professional job. How eerie! Sometimes it’s easy to forget about how dead serious these guys are in bringing us to ruin. Old Grumpy Guy’s video and this serve as very pertinent reminders of how much they hate us.
I tried linking again with the address I posted and it works.
Does anyone else find this weird?
Very weird and the comments are disabled.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
Matt 7:20.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_82YGXJe0
Here’s a short version of the Homegrown Jihad info. By the way, one of the terrorist pieces of CRAP involved here in the US terror training camps is the guy who beheaded Daniel Pearl, the US Journalist. Sick stuff, huh?
Yikes!
Statements like these:
sadly show that the resentments of these people towards western society span much longer than the “past eight years” and indeed longer than the birth of Israel as a nation. We need to drill in ANWAR and offshore and put an import tax on mid-east oil. The mid-east oil tax needs to fund development of alternative energy. We need to do this now.
I’m sorry, but I find nothing attractive about them as a people or religion. They exist to blow us off the planet, period. Just ask them. They commit so called “honor killings” like the guy in NY who just beheaded his own wife. How come the media isn’t giving that more press? Hmmmmmm….Normally a story like that would be, literally, everywhere but the MSM is barely touching it. What an outrage for women in this country.
Guess Obama will pardon that dirtbag too. These people have a plan and we’re like Pigs on a Spit for them. But the good news is that Obama thinks the “Muslim Prayer is the most beautiful sound in the world.”
Maybe Seattle Moss should also start selling Berkas.
Fox did a special called, “honor killings in america” It was disturbing. It aired over the summer, I think it was.
We are screwed!
Alexis, you do realize Muslims do not eat pork?
Yawn,
trollnothalf. And I also realize they don’t celebrate Christmas and they don’t have pets. Your point?Of course they do not celebrate Christmas. They do keep pets though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals
Of course they do not worship Christmas, although Jesus is a Prophet.
Not true about the pets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals
You are truly damn dumb.
Just shut up.
The bitter irony of the situation is that all the oil revenues supporting terrorism in the Middle East came from mainly American expertise and investment in developing oil in in these countries, who did virtually nothing to add to theeffort, but are now reaping the rewards and holding the world to ransom.
Yes I had undergraduate college at the University of Oklahoma in the early 80’s. The campus was full of Arabic students there for the petroleum geology degree program. Most of my chemistry and physics classes I had there were taught with mostly Arabic teaching assistants who were graduate students in the hard sciences there. Most everything these nations have in the way of material wealth, the owe solely to western technology. Before the bots get at me for this… I know Arabic is not a race… I am writing out of simplicity here.
The prof. calls for “threatening” those that write against the “resistance”….and, in free association mode, I thought of the animosity and hate toward those that did not support Obama during the primaries.
And, reading the WSJ article on sharia law implemented in the Swat valley of Pakistan (snippet below), I notice how the islamist made ref. to “the world,” also reminding me of Obama, ie Michelle’s Obama will heal “the world.”
-After a day-long meeting Monday that led to the announcement of a deal, one senior member of the local sharia movement named Mohammed Iqbal, wearing a long beard and large turban, said the group was satisfied and would soon set out to speak to the Swat fighters. “When sharia is implemented, there will be peace, not only in Malakand but all over the world,” Iqbal said.
Glenn Beck has been trying to drum up awareness about the Mexico border crisis and the governments troubles.
I sent this to him. (doubtful if he’ll get the email).
I watched about 30 seconds before I shut it down. I have felt for the past 8 years that this was coming down the pike anyway, so it’s nothing new for me. Until Americans figure out that it’s our foreign policy interventionism that puts us at risk, nothing will change. We should pull our troops out of Iraq–it will be a disaster whenever we do because Iran will have enormous power there–and we should pull out of Afghanistan. We should close our bases around the world, slowly but steadily, and end our imperialist vision of the US as a one world power. We can’t afford to do what we’re doing and we’re bankrupting our country doing it.
When the US–like Canada–engages in balanced trade and rebuilds our manufacturing production capacity, we can rebuild our military to defend this country from attack from external threats. When we develop green capacity and aren’t dependent on foreign oil, we’ll be safer and more secure.
What these nutcases in Kuwait think is just a reflection of our own foreign policy. When Americans figure that out, we’ll all be able to secure our nation. Until Americans do figure it out, however, we’re all in danger every day.
Well said. Heads up for a good Secretary of State. Maybe as Ron Paul suggested we may wake up to the fact that bombing people makes them want to bomb us back.
blame america first, anyone? you are misinformed and naive, i think, mountainaires.
It’s ridiculous. More America self-loathing. We didn’t cause the Islamic crap. It’s who they are and always will be. For the love of God, America should always be the best she can, and the world’s brightest star. Anyone who doesn’t think America should rock it should move to Cuba.
PS Who will take care of France when we ARE France? Someone has to be a leader. Destroying America’s power doesn’t help the world. And let’s don’t make this about Bush for God’s sakes. People have hated us for longer than the Iraq stuff and always will. That’s on THEM, not US.
This is the only area I’ve disagreed with you on, Alexis. The French were one of the real powers during the Cold War on the European continent in that the Soviets were quite uneasy about France’s nuclear arsenal and their will to use it-to heel with NATO or the Warsaw Pact. Not only did the French thumb their nose at us-they also did at the Soviets. (See 19th century Franco-Russian wars-no love lost between those two). I served in USAREUR during the height of the Cold War, 2-miles from the former East Germany and those French were bastards to us and the Soviets. The French came to train with us every September during REFORGER and they were tough as nails (they also brought along their best wine, so we didn’t complain much about their air of condescension). Only the leaders are candy-ass. The soldiers are well-trained and committed.
Okay, Ferd, pick another country then. Sorry doll! But I am sure you get what the point is, right????
I do get the point, Alexis. But if things are as dire as predicted, we need all the allies we can muster. France did help us in the first Gulf War and has been a NATO member all along. That idiot Rumsfeld (whom I served under in the 70s) was a complete moron in calling France and West Germany, “the old Europe”. That was a bullet in both the left and right foot with a single shot. Such crap is better said behind closed doors, if said at all. One of the reasons I was and am a staunch HRC supporter is that she is pragmatic. When reality confronts you, you take it as it comes and not how you might wish it would be, or worse, how you demand it be.
I tried to respond but got my comment eaten again by the comment shredder. I do understand your point. But the rest is apparently lost to the erratic and mal-programmed Maytag.
Why on earth should America give up being the world power that it is? That’s silly. It’s the so called “progressive” Kumbaya crap that is destroying us. That’s like saying you want to enter a decathlon but make sure you finish last. Why?
I agree,Alexis…
Before the election,a pro-obama friend actually said:”America needs to be knocked down a few notches”
She got what she wished for,and unfortunately,we also got what she wished for.
Well, it’s not going to be for long. Everyone who says that should take a physics class. Too many people love their country to let the America haters tear us down. Never happen. Obama’s going to fail big time, we take our country back, and prevail as we always have.
Why on earth would anyone, especially an American, say something like that: that we should be knocked down a few notches. If it weren’t for the U.S. The Great War and WWII would have ended very differently. We have a responsibility to and in the world. Now if we only had a decent leader…
You know the old saying
“Give em an inch and they take a mile”?
Well said Mountainaires. Maybe as Ron Paul said if we wake up and understand bombing people will create more terrorists nor less, the US will be safer.
It is a good thing that there is now a brilliant Secretary of State.
Wrongamundo. And just for that I hope they put all the internet trolls out on some football field together, sniveling like babies, when the big nuclear bomb comes. You want the terror, you got it!
Stella Rimmington, Former Head of MI5
“The US has gone too far with Guantanamo and the tortures..
..MI5 does not do that. Furthermore it has achieved the opposite effect – there are more and more suicide terrorists finding a greater justification.”
Mary Robinson, President of The International Court of Justice.
“Seven years after 9/11 it is time to take stock and to repeal abusive laws and policies enacted in recent years.
Human rights and international humanitarian law provide a strong and flexible framework to address terrorist threats.”
Commenting on a report that accuses the US and the UK of undermining the framework of international law
WOW, OGG, I’m speechless. Where did you find this video? Hopefully, the CIA has a copy. When the camera panned the audience, I didn’t see a lot of enthusiasm for the speaker. There are nuts in every country including Kuwait and Qatar. We’ve had a few of our own like Timothy Mcvey, Ted Kazinsky and the abortion clinic/Olympic bomber (don’t remember his name). Fanatics flying any flag are dangerous. But, how do we approach the problem and is what he is claiming true? We’ve tried bombing the hell out of two countries, yet they still exist and are, without a doubt, still dangerous. Our actions have created more terrorists with a grudge and their allegiance is not to a particular country, but to an idology. So the answer can’t be in military action and since it is a global problem, we can’t fight back without the cooperation of other countries. And, if we live our lives in fear of the next attack, they have won without setting off another bomb or firing a shot. I agree with the other comments here. Obama is not the person we need in the White House at this crucial time and I think we should worry about how he will react if/when there is another attack.
The CIA won’t lift a finger. The day the bin Laden hit was called off because he was hunting with an Arab prince made 9-11 inevitable. Jack Bauer exists only on television. We are truly through the looking glass now.
Yes, and on 9/11 part of the Saudi royal family was in our country and were given special consideration to fly out even though all other air space was closed. The Bin Laden family has interest then and now in the Carlyle Group as do the Bush family. I recall a video of Prince Saad arriving at the ranch in Crawford and he and GWB holding hands as they walked toward the house. It was a disgusting picture. We depend on people like him for our very lives. We neeeeeed alternative fuel.
Give this poster a cigar! You just hit the bulls-eye.
Those saudi princes hold hands with everyone,Elise.
Oh…except(the “unclean”)women.
Well Old Grumpy Guy, I watched the whole video, and I found this costumed professor to be just a tad self-righteous. It is too easy to forget that there are lots of people like this in the world working hard to indoctrinate the young to kill us. Thanks for ringing some alarm bells: it’s easy to get drowsy watching the economy fall apart. They may not need to worry about bringing in 4 pounds of anthrax.
just dandy. Well, I see one similar trait between them and O-shit!. Do anything and everything necessary for your end. Only, they sure didn’t seem to think very much of O-shit, mocking his “dialogue”.
Just like Hamas. They don’t seem to want peace. Their lives must be very empty that the only thing that excites them is threats, terrorism, chaos, death and torture. They must be numb with no feeling that they need to feed on this bad behavior to feel something. Why can’t they just keep their misery to themselves if that’s how they wish to live?
thanks for bringing this to NQ’s attention, Grumpy. there are many here and on the “progressive” left who think that radical islam is confined to a few extremist wackjobs, just like you’ll find in any religion. if only that were the case. the reality is that violent hatred of israel and america IS MAINSTREAM in the islamic world. i’m not sure what the solution is, but it isn’t denial of the problem.
Good point. I believe it IS very much mainstream in the Islamic world.
But, OGG, it hasn’t always been this way even after after the 67 war. What happened?
Good point.
The percentage of true extremists versus the total population is probably not a great deal more than the number of extremists in any religion, imo. My personal experience with those of the Moslem faith is contrary to your statement, but perhaps I haven’t been around enough of them to fully understand. I do know that the Islamic extremists are quite dangerous but the mainstream more than likely wants the same things every human wants.
Moorish Spain gives us a historical precedent. The Spanish Inquisition did not occur under the Islamic Moors.
The percentage of true extremists versus the total population is probably not a great deal more than the number of extremists in any religion, imo
Well said Fred.
Ditto.
You mean like that “moderate” moslem in Buffalo who beheaded his wife last week? The same one who started a cable network called “Bridges” to show the positive side of Islam. LOL
“The same one who started a cable network called “Bridges” to show the positive side of Islam. LOL”
By the way, it was his now dead wife who wanted to start Bridges.
Well, there was that national news story a few months back involving a husband who gunned down his estranged wife and several congregation members in their Baptist church, right?
Or the guy here in my town a few years back. His wife had filed for divorce. The husband shot her dead in the parking lot of a local supermarket as their kids watched, and shot and killed her father, who tried to intervene, for good measure. They were Lutherans.
The point is that violent jackasses are not restricted to any particular culture or religion. American jackasses just seem to have a preference for the use of a more acceptable firearm. Apparently that’s cultural.
Absolutely agree Ferd. Eric Robert Rudolph is a good example of a Christian extremist. He and the people who helped him hide for years. You can’t paint everyone with the same brush.
Agreed. That would be akin to blaming all fundamentalist Christians for abortion clinic bombings or all hippies for the Charles Manson killings. The sum of the parts cannot properly be compared to the whole.
Moorish Spain was one people conquered by another, Christians were and did feel oppressed. In an in-depth study, the Muslim conquest of Spain and the Reconquest by the Visigoth ruled Christians were one inseparable conflict driven period of 800 years, with lulls in between, made up of ever changing alliances. It was pretty brutal, but time has allowed for a “rosy” we all got along picture to emerge.
As for average Muslims, they are like average people of any religion. Reading done on what drives Islamic fundamentalism gave many theories, one was the feeling of disaffection from their own governments, feeling non-inclusive as if living on the periphery of their own societies, rootlessness.
“Most churches were converted into mosques. Although the conquest had been planned and conducted jointly with a strong faction of royal Iberian Christian dissidents, including a bishop, it proceeded as a classical jihad with massive pillages, enslavement, deportations and killings”
“Jews and Christians were tolerated as dhimmis – like elsewhere in other Islamic lands – and could not build new churches or synagogues nor restore the old ones. Segregated in special quarters, they had to wear discriminatory clothing. Subjected to heavy taxes, the Christian peasantry formed a servile class attached to the Arab domains; many abandoned their land and fled to the towns. Harsh reprisals with mutilations and crucifixions* would sanction the Mozarab (Christian dhimmis) calls for help from the Christian kings. Moreover, if one dhimmi harmed a Muslim, the whole community would lose its status of protection, leaving it open to pillage, enslavement and arbitrary killing..”
With all due respect, I think we should have a little more of the video at the front end to provide a better context.
Now before I get skewered here, let me state:
1) I deplore extremism of any kind
2) I believe the single most important thing we can do is to support the moderates (of any religion), but that requires full and honest engagement
3) my husband is a moderate Muslim so it is frustrating when people do not bother to differentiate between variants of Islam as we are called all the time to differentiate between variants of Christianity
I think there is also a huge difference between western Muslims and those in the Middle East. Of course there are a lot of moderate Muslims, but there is no getting away from the fact that in the Middle East there are an awful lot of fanatical Muslims who want to destroy America and who practise terrible oppression of women.
Wahabi
Saudi Arabia
Not Iraq
Not Iran
–only AFTER they run out of oil, I guess.
There are moderate Muslims in a lot of places. You know, I cannot believe I’m going to say this, but..but–and it slays me, absolutely SLAYS me to say it–but I think Obama is (omg, I can’t believe it), well, he may be correct in saying we have to talk with them. (Yeesh, gosh–serious shudder factor going on.)
I am immeasurably happy and comforted, though, by the fact that it will be HILLARY doing the all talking and not that phoney baloney.
Me, too. It goes back to the Reagan admonition–trust but verify. He was certainly correct on that one.
Good points – both of them SNK
charlie Wilson said we didn’t close the deal. Still can’t. Thanks GOG.
“I think there is also a huge difference between western Muslims and those in the Middle East. Of course there are a lot of moderate Muslims, but there is no getting away from the fact that in the Middle East there are an awful lot of fanatical Muslims who want to destroy America and who practise terrible oppression of women.”
you are exactly correct; there is a world of difference between that nice muslim family that lives down the street in anytown, usa, and the average muslim living in a muslim majority country. i don’t care how many people say that golly gee, every religion has it’s crazies; islam has way more than it’s share. (i’m an atheist, btw; have been for over 30 years). i’m just calling it like i see it.
I hope you like associating with the comments of AlexisM then, or even Old Grumpy Guy, who considers Muslims are mainstream extremists.
I don’t think they said that. We are all trying to learn from–not attack–each other here. I have every confidence in OGG’s and Alexis’ ability to hear me out fairly.
Let them explain. Especially Alexis and NoBamaNoway. Old Grumpy guy just did
please move to saudi arabia, nothalf; then you can explain it to us.
Let them explain away. Especially Alexis and NoBamaNoway. Old Grumpy guy just did so fair dues to him.
I try to understand people based on many comments they make over time, not just one or two. I hope they extend the same courtesy to me since sometimes I might jump off my deep end a bit, too.
I don’t have to explain it. Maybe I don’t care about what you think of me you troll??? My opinion is based on fact. I’m a woman and I don’t support any culture that promotes beheading, honor killings, etc.
Sonic, there are moderates in every religion and also extremists. No offense to you intended, but I expressed my true feelings. I’m horrified by this stuff. And it’s not the Jews doing it, sorry.
Agreed. It’s disgusting.
“This is not culture. This is not custom. This is criminal.” Hillary Clinton
No offense taken. I just would like to know who the guy in the video is and what he said before. As another poster said, it didn’t seem like he had much support from the audience. May I remind everyone that we have very controversial people in our academia, too (Ayers & Dorn, for starters).
It is extended, SNK. We all get a trifle testy at times.
Good attitude Sonja
What context might make what this man says OK? Aston Kutcher popping out in a thobe yelling “Punked!” maybe?
Ok Sonic
Let them explain. Especially Alexis and NoBamaNoway. Old Grumpy guy just did
So is the Muslim TV mogul who beheaded his wife a good muslim or a bad muslim or a mainstream terrorist?
He would be malevolent. A civilized person, irrespective of religion, would not commit such a barbaric act. Such goes well beyond religion and to the very core of existence.
He is a bad person, a murderer. In whatever religion you care to name.
Troll, it’s not a Catholic ritual to behead people. What point are you missing?
anyone doing such an act cannot even be familiar with a normal religion!! it is hate and nothing else.
Agreed. Barbarism in the name of any religion is still barbarism.
…or in whatever religion you care to hide behind.
Well, if you can tell me a massive list of religions that practice “honor killings” then let me know.
Let’s see…
Jews? Nope.
Christians? Nope.
Hindus? Nope.
Buddhists? Nope.
Gee, how many other religions are there who violently murder young girls, in public, because they are “unclean?” Anyone?
‘Nuff said. Until they stop they are nothing but hate filled barbarians. And honor killings are just the tip of it. Ask Daniel Pearl. Oops, he lost his head.
By the way, America should cut these people off at the knees until they stop it. They also agreed to stop executing people under 18, but that didn’t last long. They execute children. Nice group.
I never defended the extremists.
Alxeis, I don’t want to be contrary, but Jewish history is full of people being stoned. I believe in the book of Matthew, Jesus himself admonished the crowd who were about to stone Mary Magdalene when he said,”He that is without sin cast the first stone”. Abraham was ready to offer his own son as a sacrifice. There are radical Jewish groups in the US. For example:
December 12, 2001 – Irv Rubin, the brash chairman of the Jewish Defense League (JDL), was arrested for his part in a plot to bomb the office of an Arab American Congressman and a mosque in Culver City, California
As I mentioned in an earlier comment, Eric Robert Rudolph is a Christian radical responsible for killing innocent people. Timothy McVey, Ted Kazinsky and Terry Nichols. Jim Jones and David Koresh.
Well, if you can let me know in 2009 who beheads women and thinks they are entitled let me know!!!!
heh. you’re wasting your time, alexis.
some people are determined to believe muslims are just like us, deep down. they are not. (on average, anyway.)
“Jesus himself admonished the crowd who were about to stone Mary Magdalene ”
For the record, the Mary referred to in the stoning scene is not Mary Magdalene. It is Mary of Bethany. Two different Mary’s.
I appreciate the rest of your point.
Which religion condones the marriage(rape)of little girls because their prophet did?
We need to break our addiction to their damned oil. As long as we’re hooked, we’re enabling this crap.
Oh well. Your party refuses to let us drill our own. So too bad that we will be dependent on them for quite a few more years at least.
We all know how much OPEC likes the prospect of a serious alternative energy initiative. That’s why gas prices plummeted from record highs just as the election neared. I’d blame supply and demand, if prices weren’t going up again now despite the huge fall-off on the global demand side. Watch out this summer.
I don’t think OPEC is too worried about possible competiton from ANWR oil. They know that even if drilling were begun, the reserves there would be an insignificant addition to global supply. They might even be pleased. It’s like one pusher’s appreciation for another, who helps keep the addiction they both depend on going.
No, cynic, oil prices tanked right before the election because of Bush lifting the ban on offshore drilling. I literally watched it crash more in one week than I have ever seen.
Now it’s all about supply and demand. No worries. Our bogus “President” is going to get us nuked, or there will be some international crisis that will drive it back up. Worse than ever. The alternative thing isn’t a reality for a long, long time.
I know this is probably tangential at best, but there are theories that hydrocarbons… i.e. methane has been demonstrated to be produced from inorganic compounds iron oxide, calcium carbonate and water under intense pressure as can be found a few kilometers beneath the earth’s surface. Here is one such link.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/20222
These aren’t crackpots either. There is also NASA evidence of hundreds of times more hydrocarbons than our known reserves on a moon of Saturn. Point being there aren’t any decomposing dinosaurs there… we know that much. I really believe the theory that there is a finite amount of oil is probably false. Now the theory that we maybe shouldn’t be using so much of it, is open for debate. But why not debate the truth then and not a falsehood?
There are at least 800 Billion Barrels of oil in America. It’s not about people preserving our oil. The Dems are protecting the environment. While I agree that oil spills aren’t so great, it would probably have been a good idea to drill some more of our own while our supposed President turns us “green.”
Yes, the debate over whether we should be using so much oil is legitimate, but is a separate issue. The issue of whether our President ought to be holding hands with Saudi princes, that is a no-brainer if hydrocarbons aren’t finite. If this is the case, we need to be using our own oil, seeing that we are going to burn what we will anyway… until we replace it. If we could cut support and funding of the world’s oil sheiks… the entire planet would probably be that much the better for it.
You are absolutely right. But, also, natural gas is a bi-product of oil drilling and we could use a lot more of that too. I don’t get how Obama is going to help with this situation. He’s accountable to so many people, and has to pay back so many favors, that my head is spinning. I know McCain and Palin’s energy plan would have been brilliant. Obama? I can’t figure out what his “plan” is. I just know that the people who voted for him thinking they will all be given free green cars tomorrow might be disappointed soon. Not happening.
Also, I know that Obama was in the pocket of some serious heavy hitting oil people. How that turns out, I don’t know either. And, he seems to sort of idolize people like Chavez, and wants to make nice to the nut in Iran. Both of those countries are suffering enormous financial difficulties because of the low oil prices. Would Obama cut them off at the knees? Doubtful. I wish I knew where this was heading.
And here is a second link, for the Saturn moon hydrocarbons in case anybody is interested.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47675
Again, I am not saying this means we don’t need alternatives. Just that maybe we shouldn’t be worrying so much about running out of oil before we actually do. Just as we are probably wrong about oil and how it is produced… so we may very well be wrong about a lot of things.
Proven oil reserves in the U.S. are about 21 billion barrels; total recoverable reserves including everything but oil shale are estimated to be 134 billion barrels. (This includes ANWR, the Bakken Formation, offshore reserves, etc.) We currently consume about 21 million barrels per day. This means that if we became independent by relying exclusively our own oil reserves, the domestic supply would be completely exhausted in only 17 years.
Beginning the switch-over to alternative energy technologies now is a matter of national survival. Our gain would be OPEC’s loss. Fine by me. Consider the list of OPEC members.
For sure… which kind of begs the question if whether the wealth from oil has led to corruption and resentment from these producers toward the end users of the oil. But that is for another day. There are no doubt reserves elsewhere as well. Finding reserves in places such as Africa could certainly help them as well, again provided the wealth was managed. I think we are past the days of not caring where we spend our wealth and to whom we transfer it. Wealth in itself is not a good nor a bad thing, in the right hands it can be a powerful force for good… in the wrong hands a powerful force for evil.
OPEC has very little influence on oil prices anymore. As evidenced by the fact that they keep cutting production and oil prices keep going lower.
The man who beheaded his wife would be a maniac and criminal. Doesn’t matter the religion or country. This behavior has nothing to do with religion or civilized behavior. And these are the types of people that cannot be reasoned with, ever. They need to be locked in a cage.
But that doesn’t mean the entire Muslim world ascribes to this horror. And it’s those Muslims, the moderates, that need to speak out in a loud voice and reject barbarism. Because that’s what it is.
It’s not quite true that it has nothing to do with religion. It is common among Islamic Pakistanis to have daughters killed if they try to escape arranged marriages. The man who beheaded his wife was obviously inspired by that kind of culture of rigid control over women, which is rife among Middle Eastern Islamic societies.
My point is, OGG, that painting any religion with a single brush is going a step too far. The man who beheaded his wife and members of radical Islamist groups are beyond reason. I’ve never ascribed to “hugging a terrorist.” And these crimes against women fall into the category of terrorism in my mind.
But I have a very hard time believing that “all” Muslims throughout the world support this criminal behavior. But I do think it’s up to the moderates, where ever they are, to stand up and be counted. And be counted and heard now in a strong, undeniable voice of rejection of violence and crimes against women.
Because otherwise, I think you’re right: they will all be grouped together–barbaric and uncivilized and in need of being defeated, completely.
I never said ALL Muslims behave in that way. I was speaking about jihadists who are an extremely powerful in the Middle East. If they did not hold such sway in that region this bloodthirsty professor would not have felt free to make such inflammatory statements.
Well, then we agree OGG. As I said, I have no desire to hug a terrorist or a jihadist. But I’m reading many disturbing posts on this thread, which are way off the mark.
I apologize if I misread your basic intent.
don’t you love those strawman arguments, OGG? you are absolutely correct; the people who commit those “honor killings” know that they will be supported and harbored by their families, and even the “authorities,” in all too many cases. this points to the widespread acceptance of the practice in mulsim cultures; such acceptance simply doesn’t exist in western cultures. certainly not *all* muslims are what we would call “extremists;” but far more of them are than a lot of americans think.
That is the essence of what I was trying to say. In the Middle Eastern countries such inflammatory rhetoric would not be heard if the culture in that region did not tolerate it.
He started his little TV station to perpetuate the myth of the moderate Muslm…just propaganda.
However, when it came right down to it…not so much.
You made my point, AlexisM. Sorry, beheading IS condoned by a certain group. Care to guess which one, nothalf?
The lady who lost her head had disrespected her husband – who had started the TV station to give Westerners a more positive view of Muslims – by filing for a divorce and a restraining order.
The question is this. Would that man have acted in such a manner had he not had religious dogma of honor killing in his background?
Psychology 101, folks.
Was that in Saudi Arabia (note-an honest question on my part)? Many Moslem countries would forbid such an act.
No Ferd, the scumbags feel quite comfortable beheading their women in America now.
I had no idea.
It was in New York.
it is true that things like “honor killings” are legally forbidden in some muslim countries/provinces; but there is the letter of the law and there is actual practice. from what i know, the authorities often look the other way when these things happen, because they, like many others in the community, share the belief that these killings are justified.
Hindus yes
Remember bride burnings. It is still criminal.
Good point, and how about female infanticide in Buddist China? And abortion clinic bombings which kill people in this country?
And female mutilation in some African cultures?
Well, not that two wrongs make a right…But the African cultures do a horrible thing that does not, however, end up with the woman dead. It’s barbaric and I have spoken out about it and tried to get America to do more. It’s wrong, but the woman isn’t murdered.
China executes more people than Iran from what I understand. Doesn’t make it okay but, as far as I know, it has nothing to do with their religion.
Yes extremist people bomb abortion clinics.
Now, should we start talking numbers? I think it will be a sad argument when we do. In fact, for the women here who actually ARE appalled by these barbarians, you can go look at the pictures of the sheer volume of your dead sisters who suffered from honor killings on Atlas Shrugs.
Buzz, no that man would not have done that if his religion hadn’t told him it was what you do. Of course not. I had a Moroccan/Arab boyfriend, who I lived with. He’s the only man in my 40 some odd years who tried to beat the crap out of me. Sorry, it’s just fact.
I think it’s pretty clear we are all appalled by the criminal behavior of those people.
If you are trying to equate those criminals with all Muslims, including my husband and everyone on his side of the family, their/our friends, etc, you are going way too far. Sorry, it’s just a fact.
Sonic…I didn’t say a word about your husband or family. This thread is about a topic and I am addressing it. And my own experience with this stuff. We have all said that there are good people in every culture. I’m sorry if you are getting some idea that I am talking about your husband but that’s out of line. Why would I do that? I don’t know him or his family. And by the way, if he’s Muslim then he himself knows this goes on. Right?
I’m not going to embrace a culture that beheads women, whether or not you consider it PC for me to discuss it or not. I just saw a woman beheaded and now the terrorist who beheaded Daniel Pearl and thousands of other terrorists have training camps in MY country. I also saw 9/11. If and when you can tell me that in modern day society that other religions tell their people to murder, kill, behead, etc. let me know. I’m allowed to talk about this as it disturbs me very much.
Every single Muslim? No, but on the converse side, as Buzz says, these people wouldn’t do it if they weren’t.
Also, the difference between the fringers who bomb abortion clinics? The Bible didn’t tell them to do it.
No one asked you to “embrace a culture that beheads women” or told you it was not “PC” to discuss it. You make stuff up. You are missing the point that not all people who are Muslim are Muslim extremists. I’m sorry about your personal experiences but maybe you need to get out and experience a broader cross section of Muslims.
Problem is, Alexis, you are constantly reframing the topic to make it suit only your point. I have tried to be flexible in my discussions with you, but you can be very controlling and usually have to have the last word, which often comes off to me as very self righteous. I cannot continue to chase after whatever you throw out. With all due respect, you are exasperating.
How many times did I say that I understand that there are extremists in every group? You are way out of line and attacking me for no reason whatsoever. I said it over and over again that this wasn’t about you, wasn’t about your family (that was never mentioned so WTF what that about?) and that there are people everywhere who do things we don’t like.
I addressed you politely and kindly, but stated how I felt. I’m sorry that you feel my opinion is not allowed or valid. It was the topic of this thread and, quite frankly it’s on topic to discuss the things I brought up like the beheading in NYC, the terrorist training camps in America, etc. All of it is relevant, but beyond that, just plain damned the truth and fact. I’m sorry you don’t like it. I do understand why you are sensitive however.
If you also look, others agreed with me and responded so. Wow, this was a way out of line attack. You are the one that for some bizarre reason said I attacked your husband, his family and friends, despite the many times I said there are good people in every culture, and I said, below, I was glad you found a great man.
“Self righteous?”
“I cannot continue to chase what you throw out. With all due respect you are exasperating.”
Indeed, self righteous.
Did I insult you? No. I addressed your points. Period.
You had a choice. You probably knew this thread was going to be touchy for you, and you were instantly defensive. There’s a cure for that. Don’t go to threads where you know you will get upset.
Wow. I’m really speechless since I have always been nice to you. Oh well.
Hope you feel better.
I am not upset by this topic. This is not a touchy subject for me, just one that I believe a lot of people have preconceived ideas about.
Thanks, but I think you are off base and besides, I can make my own decisions.
The original topic was simply about what this professor said and I just stated I would like more context, meaning who he is, how he is regarded in his community, and what he said in the minutes before the recording. I am not sure he belongs to the subset that allows honor killings based on what I saw. The terror cell part, eh–dicey but more info is needed.
I never said I “feel [your] opinion is not allowed or valid”. Those are your words.
I did not say you attacked my husband. ‘Attacking someone’ and ‘equating someone with’ a group of people are two entirely different things. I did not say this was about me or my family, just that I have evidence that you cannot equate all Muslims with each other. That is all.
It is interesting you think I am attacking you. You are the person who said
and
Wow. I guess Nohalf was half right. My sincere apologies to her/him.
ROFLMAO…Okay Sonic. You win. I’m an “exasperating” piece of shit who has no business expressing my opinions. Go back and look at that way over the top abusive post you spewed at me and tell me you didn’t attack me. This isn’t worth the time, you’re right.
I’m going to take the high road and wish you well. But I do have one question…Out of curiosity…how many innocent young women have to be brutally butchered before it’s more than just a couple of bad guys? Is it 10,000 before you admit what it really is? A Million? What will it take for you to cop to the culture that murders these women and stop saying that a “few extremists” do it? Just curious. Because it could have been all of us here, and our sisters, daughters and mothers. So, shame on you.
PS…Here’s the article “Losing Our Heads” which shows all the pics of honor killings that the author could find. It’s rather disturbing, to say the least. And it’s not just one or two.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/losing-our-heads-.html
Saturday, February 14, 2009
Headless Body in Gutless Press [Mark Steyn]
Just asking, but are beheadings common in western New York? I used to spend a lot of time in that neck of the woods and I don’t remember decapitation as a routine form of murder. Yet the killing of Aasiya Hassan seems to have elicited a very muted response.
When poor Mrs. Hassan’s husband launched his TV network to counter negative stereotypes of Muslims, he had no difficulty generating column inches, as far afield as The Columbus Dispatch, The Detroit Free Press, The San Jose Mercury News, Variety, NBC News, the Voice of America, and the Canadian Press. The Rochester Democrat & Chronicle put the couple on the front page under the headline “Infant TV Network Unveils The Face Of Muslim News”.
But, when Muzzammil Hassan kills his wife and “the face of Muslim news” is unveiled rather more literally, detached from her corpse at his TV studios, it’s all he can do to make the local press — page 26 of Newsday, plus The Buffalo News, and a very oddly angled piece in the usually gung-ho New York Post, “Buffalo Beheading: Money Woe Spurred Slay”.
Oh, really? He beheaded her for some goofy clause in the insurance policy? Not exactly:
An upstate TV exec who set up a channel promoting Muslims as peace-loving people was stressed about his failing business in the days before he allegedly chopped off his estranged wife’s head, a friend of the couple said today.
Ah.
“He was worried about the station’s future,” said Dr. Khalid Qazi, a friend of the couple and president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council of Western New York, who last spoke to the Hassans a week ago…
“Domestic violence is despicable, and Islam condones it in no way whatever,” he said.
“Murders are being committed in the US every day by people of all faiths.”
Well, maybe. But for sheer news value you’d think this one might stand out. Look at this picture. That’s the very definition of “moderate Muslim”. Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I’ve found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs. Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women’s shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently — all because her husband’s TV network had a cashflow problem?
The media’s lack of curiosity is in marked contrast to their willingness to propagandize for the launch of Mr. Hassan’s station. It also helps explain why the U.S. newspaper business is dying.
I really wish you wouldn’t put words in other people’s mouths.
PS–Thanks for the articles, but I have already read them.
P.P.S.–Please don’t try and and paint me as someone who condones that criminal activity. I do not.
Sonic, is it possible for you to accept one thing? That would be that the Muslim Religion has a down side. Just as other religions have downsides and ridiculous dogmas that sway alot of people to act outrageously, the Muslim religion is also flawed.
If you can accept this one point it will save you alot of time in countering discussion about the Muslim belief system itself, rather than personalizing every comment to mean that it’s a strike against your husband.
Your need to repeatedly make your point is tedious and annoying.
Thank-you.
Yes, I accept it and always have.
Thank you Buzz. It was getting a little tough to defend myself against the slaughter.
The one thing that remains true…Others have pointed out that IN THE PAST other religions have committed brutality in the name of God. What no one can say is who exactly, other than Muslims, are committing honor killings and brutally slaughtering innocent women in 2009. It’s great to bring up that Jews killed people back in the day. Whatever. That’s not the point. I believe this country should take a major stand and impose sanctions on any country that promotes this brutality. Good lord this is the 21st Century and these barbarians need to stop.
Exactly, AlexisM. I had two friends in college who thought it was the best thing to do to marry a Nigerian and a Saudi, respectively in order to keep them in America. The first one ended up in emergency rooms five times before her family hid her from her abusive Nigerian husband. The other one was absolutely controlled by her Saudi husband and finally got away from him. I knew both guys and they were very nice on the surface. But, culture and male privilege got in the way very quickly in both relationships.
Buzz…I can tell you a story that was the absolute reason I threw this guy out of my house. He was gorgeous…and he is a famous clothing designer that hangs with the Naomi Campbell, etc. super model crowd. Back then he was just getting started and my parents gave him $20,000 to start his business. He also lived in MY condo of course paying nothing.
So, I was getting ready for a business dinner…I was running late, way stressed because it was a huge dinner for me in a new job. While curling my hair with a curling iron I heard the following: “Honey, Honey, Honey come quick! Come quick!” I thought the damned house was on fire. Nope. He was lying on the couch, watching TV, and the remote broke. Instead of getting his ass up off the couch to change channels, he hauled me from the other side of the condo to change channels for him.
Get it?
‘Nuff said. There are just certain cultures that don’t think of women as human beings. I’m glad Sonic met a wonderful man. My experience wasn’t so great.
I enjoy being a self made type myself. Along with that comes the grit and confidence to tackle any of life’s challenges.
And many African countries have large Muslim populations. Correlation, anyone?
There are Buddists in China, but the government is Communist…not Buddist.
SNK, the killings in China are not the result of the Buddhist religion.
“Buddist China?”
It is the atheist government that endorses the 1 child policy not the Pure Land Buddhists who are subjected to the same tyranny under the atheist government.
And if you were to apply any religion to China, Buddhism is just one religion present. There are also Taoists, Muslims in XinXiang provence, Christians and various rural religions. No Buddhism would support the 1 child policy, it is the invention of the Communist regime.
Otherwise, want you to know that I support the points you’ve made in this thread about generalizing Muslims based on the extremes. The extremes of Judaism have killed, the extremes of Christianity have killed, and so forth with Hindus, Buddhists, and Atheists. The spotlight fallacy focused on Muslims is predictable and pathetic. But just know you aren’t alone in making distinctions.
Contrary to the comments by others, “honor killings” are not a monopoly of Islam. Its just the only religion we are hearing about. And worst it covers the reality that women are mistreated and murdered world wide for the equivalent of “honor” by men for reasons that have nothing to do with religion, but greed, hatred, and selfishness.
It would be nice if that were the topic instead of the continued generalizations. OGG was clear that this is about the extremists. Extremists in any vein are dangerous, from AlQaida, Gush Emunim, StormFront, and others. That many want to only focus on the Islamic extremists shouldn’t be surprising, but they can’t change reality with all the rhetoric in the world. Yitzak Rabin wasn’t assasinated by Muslims, Rajiv Gandhi wasn’t assasinated by Muslims, nor Indira Gandhi, nor was Dr. John Britton.
It is always convenient to highlight the religion of a group when it suits the argument, but inconvenient to acknowledge it when it applies elsewhere.
The good news is not everyone is distracted by this sort of ’spotlight fallacy’ argument.
Thank you, truthtelling007.
Isn’t this driven by economics?
Linda : I grew up in a rural and semi urban neighbourhood in India with lots of poverty and lots of happiness. It was in my eighth class that I knew people get murdered. There was supposed to be a drug peddler and somebody killed him.
I killed fish in rain, and we purchased it . The goat was sacrificed annually and we ate it. We were good at killing cobras when they came near houses or entered in it. Some people were allowed to kill chicken.
Thats a whole lot about the hindu – yes, comment of yours. A lot of news is highly magnified, sometimes intentionally.
Today There is a lot of violence, terrorists, maoists and political violence that kill. The description that I gave is missing.
Criticisms are welcome.
Didn’t the United Arab Emirates just deny Israeli tennis player Shahar Peer a visa, banning her from playing in Dubai’s premier tournament? Appalling, but hardly mentioned on the news.
Yes and they also banned a book because there was a gay character in it.
At least they didn’t issue a fatwa against the author like the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini did against Salman Rushdie for writing “The Satanic Verses.”
Sunday, February 15, 2009
“Modern” Dubai – No Gays, No Jews, No Free Women
Don’t you love these jackals and apologists who hold Dubai up as the shining example of Arab and Islamic modernity? Stop shoving this barbarity and seventh century backwardness down our civilized throats. It’s a backward cesspool with oodles of Western cash. That’s it. We empower these neanderthals with our money.
GAYS!
Geraldine Bedell’s novel banned in Dubai because of gay character
JEWS!
Israeli Tennis Player refused Dubai visa
Israeli player Shahar Peer has been refused a visa to take part in the Dubai Tennis Championships. Peer was scheduled to play 15th seed Anna Chakvetadze of Russia in the $2m event on Monday.
WOMEN!
Dubai adultery woman ‘devastated’
A British mother’s conviction for adultery has been upheld by an appeal court in Dubai, . Ms Pearce says her husband accused her of adultery so he could gain custody of their two children, a claim he denies.
She told the BBC the sentence was effective immediately and she was certain she would lose her children.
‘Lost my children’
Speaking from Dubai, Ms Pearce, 40, who is on bail and was not present at the hearing, said: “I know I’m going to prison… when they catch up with me.”
“I’m going to prison, what more can I say about it… I’ve lost my children, I just need somebody to do something for me.”
She said she intends to appeal the decision to a higher court. Before the appeal court reduced her sentence she had been facing six months in prison.
what gets me, alexis, is that if there was a white christian group doing this stuff in america, the leftists would have a field day denouncing them (and they would be right to do so), but when mainstream islam does it, they fall all over themselves making excuses for it.
NoBamaNoWay…Yup, you are right. Look at how I got my ass handed to me for bringing up murdered, butchered women, beheaded, raped, stabbed, shot, whatever, killed in the name of religion. No, I can’t bring that up or discuss it. It makes me racist and not PC. But if a white Christian did it, they would have lynched him in public self righteously. I’m sick of it.
I remain on the side of my sisters around the world. And I remain 100% against the religion of Islam for promoting this terror against women. It’s in the Koran, by the way, to “beat your wife” if she resists you. Nice. I don’t see that in my Bible.
It’s great that people here literally go on the verbal attack if someone says word one negative about Hillary. But it’s okay for a religion to behead women in other countries. Very sad.
After many years of buying into ‘Islam is a beautiful religion’ and like any group has a splinter of crazies, I realize I was wrong.
Every time some new appalling barbarism is reported the moderate, peace loving adherents of Islam … remain silent. Now, the Western cultural quality of ‘tolerance’ has been supplanted by an unwillingness to judge the atrocities for fear of appearing ignorantly intolerant. This is not tolerance. It is intimidation.
A belief structure that holds 51% of the human population less worthy than the other 49%. That’s enough, right there to warrant rejection. But there’s so much more, case in point the video above or the sickening story of the beheaded wife in NY, USA with barely a news report. How about the 5 girls buried alive for wanting to pick their own husbands?
Islam today is a barbaric ideology which cloaks itself in the guise of a religion in order to be afforded the privileges and deference that people extend to others on matters of faith.
Am I intolerant of brutal, misogynistic barbarism? You betcha.
I agree on the intimidation that is operating in Western culture. America has become a nation too politically correct to see it’s own downfall. The warm fuzzy mentality is taking it’s toll on all fronts, except when it comes to women, and specifically women in islamic nations or adherents to the Islamic religion. The fact that a woman was beheaded in NY with little outrage in the press is symptomatic of the wimp attitude in America.
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