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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;J. Edgar Moyers?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148852</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we are all flawed and have made mistakes in our youth.  The mark of character, journalistic or otherwise, is to acknowledge them.  If you can&#039;t do that why should I trust you have any integrity.  But it isn&#039;t just about his past behavior - he repeated it these last two years. His lack of integrity as a journalist was apparent during the primaries.  We are about the same age.  He hasn&#039;t grown at all. He&#039;s missing the opportunity to share some wisdom about our youthful follies and how one repairs damage to others and to one&#039;s own soul.  I&#039;m sorry he can&#039;t go there. It&#039;s sad to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we are all flawed and have made mistakes in our youth.  The mark of character, journalistic or otherwise, is to acknowledge them.  If you can&#8217;t do that why should I trust you have any integrity.  But it isn&#8217;t just about his past behavior &#8211; he repeated it these last two years. His lack of integrity as a journalist was apparent during the primaries.  We are about the same age.  He hasn&#8217;t grown at all. He&#8217;s missing the opportunity to share some wisdom about our youthful follies and how one repairs damage to others and to one&#8217;s own soul.  I&#8217;m sorry he can&#8217;t go there. It&#8217;s sad to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: goldengrahme</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148765</link>
		<dc:creator>goldengrahme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, piffle, I fear you are up on a very high horse,
Andy.

Name one politician or journalist or person of faith, for that matter, who has not fallen and come short of the glory of the Lord.  If you cannot forgive, as Jesus does (and I am not at all tied to any organized religion), and take the good with the
bad, perhaps you are not in touch with realities of the human condition.  

Had one friend recently disavow Hillary; Hill has sinned; she took money from ACORN when running for NY senator.  So my friend adds the SOS to a long list of people she no longer trusts.  The list grows and grows.  Soon, she will no longer vote.
I have come close to that position and then realized how counterproductive it is.

If you feel strongly about Bill Moyers, write him at PBS and vent; I did over the immigration issue.
I felt better and maybe my rant reached his ears;  maybe he thought about it.  That is what democracy tends to nurture--it leads us to improve quality of life, not fester in our own bile.

Bill Bennett has writen a whole book on our moral lapses (&quot;The Death of Outrage&quot; if memory serves), in which he quotes and requotes parables on what we, as a nation, should do to improve our ethics.
He blamed American decadence on liberal drift.

He, on the  other hand, was exposed as a gambling addict, with all those perks high rollers are afforded in places where the rich are greeted and indulged.  Some see excessive gambling as a sin; others as a character flaw.  All in the eye of the beholder.  His radio audience rarely calls him on misjudgement.  Perhaps they are more tolerant than liberal bleeding hearts...speaking of hypocrisy.

Let him without sin cast the first stone.  I wouldn&#039;t assume that role, myself.  We can dredge up skeletons till the cows come home and in doing so, lose what few illusions we have left.  Perhaps they offer a thin veil of protection between hope and dispair. (I am not alluding to an Obama definition.)

All issues are political and all events connected in a chain of forward motion.  There are degrees of crime. We separate them into classes and mete out sentences accordingly.  Bill Moyers is hardly a venal criminal.  (But I can name many who are still in positions of power.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, piffle, I fear you are up on a very high horse,<br />
Andy.</p>
<p>Name one politician or journalist or person of faith, for that matter, who has not fallen and come short of the glory of the Lord.  If you cannot forgive, as Jesus does (and I am not at all tied to any organized religion), and take the good with the<br />
bad, perhaps you are not in touch with realities of the human condition.  </p>
<p>Had one friend recently disavow Hillary; Hill has sinned; she took money from ACORN when running for NY senator.  So my friend adds the SOS to a long list of people she no longer trusts.  The list grows and grows.  Soon, she will no longer vote.<br />
I have come close to that position and then realized how counterproductive it is.</p>
<p>If you feel strongly about Bill Moyers, write him at PBS and vent; I did over the immigration issue.<br />
I felt better and maybe my rant reached his ears;  maybe he thought about it.  That is what democracy tends to nurture&#8211;it leads us to improve quality of life, not fester in our own bile.</p>
<p>Bill Bennett has writen a whole book on our moral lapses (&#8221;The Death of Outrage&#8221; if memory serves), in which he quotes and requotes parables on what we, as a nation, should do to improve our ethics.<br />
He blamed American decadence on liberal drift.</p>
<p>He, on the  other hand, was exposed as a gambling addict, with all those perks high rollers are afforded in places where the rich are greeted and indulged.  Some see excessive gambling as a sin; others as a character flaw.  All in the eye of the beholder.  His radio audience rarely calls him on misjudgement.  Perhaps they are more tolerant than liberal bleeding hearts&#8230;speaking of hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Let him without sin cast the first stone.  I wouldn&#8217;t assume that role, myself.  We can dredge up skeletons till the cows come home and in doing so, lose what few illusions we have left.  Perhaps they offer a thin veil of protection between hope and dispair. (I am not alluding to an Obama definition.)</p>
<p>All issues are political and all events connected in a chain of forward motion.  There are degrees of crime. We separate them into classes and mete out sentences accordingly.  Bill Moyers is hardly a venal criminal.  (But I can name many who are still in positions of power.)</p>
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		<title>By: TexasBuckeye</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148363</link>
		<dc:creator>TexasBuckeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with many things, history reveals what was really going on behind the scenes. 

Contrary to everything we were taught in school, McCarthy was correct about the communist spies in our government. Don&#039;t believe me? You shouldn&#039;t. Check it out for yourself. 

Have you heard about the Venona Project? If not, ask yourself why not? 

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Exposing-Espionage-Americas-Traitors/dp/0895262258/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1235527147&amp;sr=1-2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with many things, history reveals what was really going on behind the scenes. </p>
<p>Contrary to everything we were taught in school, McCarthy was correct about the communist spies in our government. Don&#8217;t believe me? You shouldn&#8217;t. Check it out for yourself. </p>
<p>Have you heard about the Venona Project? If not, ask yourself why not? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Exposing-Espionage-Americas-Traitors/dp/0895262258/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1235527147&amp;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Exposing-Espionage-Americas-Traitors/dp/0895262258/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1235527147&amp;sr=1-2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148344</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe anyone put Moyers on a pedestal, certainly nowhere NEAR the level of Obama.  One can respect someone and their work without doing so, and one can be disappointed in their behavior or choices made.  At no point did I, or anyone else, say they thought Moyers was a saint and had fallen short.  I even acknowledged that it was a different time, but clearly, Moyers in his own words acknowledges what he did was wrong.

This was not a smear piece anymore than any revelations abt major journalists in this country not doing their job well is, or to highlight some of their previous (egregious) actions.

Yes, it was a messy time, but not everyone stooped to the level Moyers did.  Are you not putting Moyers on a pedestal yourself with the level of discourse in which you are arguing that Moyers is being &quot;smeared&quot;?  Am I to understand that because he is not a &quot;saint&quot; that he does not have to be held accountable for his actions?  

Moyers has demonstrated this past election cycle that he is not above reproach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe anyone put Moyers on a pedestal, certainly nowhere NEAR the level of Obama.  One can respect someone and their work without doing so, and one can be disappointed in their behavior or choices made.  At no point did I, or anyone else, say they thought Moyers was a saint and had fallen short.  I even acknowledged that it was a different time, but clearly, Moyers in his own words acknowledges what he did was wrong.</p>
<p>This was not a smear piece anymore than any revelations abt major journalists in this country not doing their job well is, or to highlight some of their previous (egregious) actions.</p>
<p>Yes, it was a messy time, but not everyone stooped to the level Moyers did.  Are you not putting Moyers on a pedestal yourself with the level of discourse in which you are arguing that Moyers is being &#8220;smeared&#8221;?  Am I to understand that because he is not a &#8220;saint&#8221; that he does not have to be held accountable for his actions?  </p>
<p>Moyers has demonstrated this past election cycle that he is not above reproach.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148249</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy I do. I was a Democrat who worked for John Kerry. 

Eww.

I worked for Harold Ford in his Senate race. Whoo-ee. 

I was a precinct chair for the Democratic Party for years. 

Sigh~

I feel such shame now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy I do. I was a Democrat who worked for John Kerry. </p>
<p>Eww.</p>
<p>I worked for Harold Ford in his Senate race. Whoo-ee. </p>
<p>I was a precinct chair for the Democratic Party for years. </p>
<p>Sigh~</p>
<p>I feel such shame now.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148245</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s a pretty pedestrian viewpoint, if you ask me. Well, you didn&#039;t ask, but you did opine, so I&#039;ll respond.

Riddle me this, Batman:

Where has Moyers compromised his journalistic integrity? Do you even know what that means? 

Do tell. 

Moyers hasn&#039;t compromised his journalistic ethics in the least. In point of fact, he&#039;s being judged here on the basis of personal failures while he was a political appointee in the White House.
The two are very different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s a pretty pedestrian viewpoint, if you ask me. Well, you didn&#8217;t ask, but you did opine, so I&#8217;ll respond.</p>
<p>Riddle me this, Batman:</p>
<p>Where has Moyers compromised his journalistic integrity? Do you even know what that means? </p>
<p>Do tell. </p>
<p>Moyers hasn&#8217;t compromised his journalistic ethics in the least. In point of fact, he&#8217;s being judged here on the basis of personal failures while he was a political appointee in the White House.<br />
The two are very different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberty Central</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148223</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty Central</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another cherished illusion shattered...I, too, sadly realized that Moyers, like most of us, has clay feet, vulnerable to his choices and associations.  Were it that this feature translated to the current White House resident, for whom no choices have had consequences, except for others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another cherished illusion shattered&#8230;I, too, sadly realized that Moyers, like most of us, has clay feet, vulnerable to his choices and associations.  Were it that this feature translated to the current White House resident, for whom no choices have had consequences, except for others.</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148212</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a very long ago, during very different times.  Who the man is now is not who the man was then.  It&#039;s understandable that he&#039;d prefer this distinction not be clouded.  

Is there anyone here who has nothing in their past they&#039;d rather not have dredged up and thrust into the public spotlight 40 years later?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very long ago, during very different times.  Who the man is now is not who the man was then.  It&#8217;s understandable that he&#8217;d prefer this distinction not be clouded.  </p>
<p>Is there anyone here who has nothing in their past they&#8217;d rather not have dredged up and thrust into the public spotlight 40 years later?</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148208</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still pulling for Moyers to lead the awakening from the kool-aid trance.  His shortcomings are minuscule compared to Obama&#039;s, but he&#039;s certainly lost a lot of credibility in the meantime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still pulling for Moyers to lead the awakening from the kool-aid trance.  His shortcomings are minuscule compared to Obama&#8217;s, but he&#8217;s certainly lost a lot of credibility in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148201</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep rw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep rw.</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148200</link>
		<dc:creator>jbjd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sassy, I stopped watching him after that interview with Rev. Wright, too!  And RRRA, I loved the series, Power of Myth, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sassy, I stopped watching him after that interview with Rev. Wright, too!  And RRRA, I loved the series, Power of Myth, too.</p>
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		<title>By: rw</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148190</link>
		<dc:creator>rw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he believed in high ethical journalism, he would not be trying to suppress his past, imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he believed in high ethical journalism, he would not be trying to suppress his past, imo.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148174</link>
		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s childish to expect people to live up to absolute moral standards, in my view. Bill Moyers was a member of a political white house--one that had a reputation for dirty politics. LBJ was NO SAINT; Bill Moyers was raised a Southern Baptist, and the actions occurred during the 60s ferchrisesakes. 

If your father fell in love with another woman--his soul-mate, the woman of his dreams--while his wife-- your mother, a woman you loved dearly--was dying of cancer, but then your father stayed with her and took care of her until she died, would you never speak to him again? 

There are no saints. There are only human beings. Moyers is a journalist--an exceptionally fine one. To see him being judged on absolutist terms--because those who judge him placed him on a pedestal themselves--is truly pathetic. 

Journalists are human beings. Some of them are bad husbands, absentee fathers, religious zealots, and hypocrites. Some of them are rotten journalists. 

Stop putting them on pedestals of the week. Judge them as journalists; hold them to a high standard as a journalist serving the public. The only thing they owe &lt;strong&gt;you &lt;/strong&gt;is high ethical journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s childish to expect people to live up to absolute moral standards, in my view. Bill Moyers was a member of a political white house&#8211;one that had a reputation for dirty politics. LBJ was NO SAINT; Bill Moyers was raised a Southern Baptist, and the actions occurred during the 60s ferchrisesakes. </p>
<p>If your father fell in love with another woman&#8211;his soul-mate, the woman of his dreams&#8211;while his wife&#8211; your mother, a woman you loved dearly&#8211;was dying of cancer, but then your father stayed with her and took care of her until she died, would you never speak to him again? </p>
<p>There are no saints. There are only human beings. Moyers is a journalist&#8211;an exceptionally fine one. To see him being judged on absolutist terms&#8211;because those who judge him placed him on a pedestal themselves&#8211;is truly pathetic. </p>
<p>Journalists are human beings. Some of them are bad husbands, absentee fathers, religious zealots, and hypocrites. Some of them are rotten journalists. </p>
<p>Stop putting them on pedestals of the week. Judge them as journalists; hold them to a high standard as a journalist serving the public. The only thing they owe <strong>you </strong>is high ethical journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/02/24/j-edgar-moyers/#comment-1148164</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev. Amy---- I had not had enough coffee when I first commented, and so didn&#039;t see that this was YOUR post. No WONDER you&#039;re so disappointed in Moyers, esp. being a fellow &quot;person of the cloth&quot;.
We need more ministers (and retired ministers) with your ethical discipline!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev. Amy&#8212;- I had not had enough coffee when I first commented, and so didn&#8217;t see that this was YOUR post. No WONDER you&#8217;re so disappointed in Moyers, esp. being a fellow &#8220;person of the cloth&#8221;.<br />
We need more ministers (and retired ministers) with your ethical discipline!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But that moral relatives are magical thinking. Maybe they false logic works for you and 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

should be

But moral relatives are magical thinking. Maybe the false logic works for you but ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:</p>
<blockquote><p>But that moral relatives are magical thinking. Maybe they false logic works for you and </p>
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<p>should be</p>
<p>But moral relatives are magical thinking. Maybe the false logic works for you but &#8230;.</p>
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