Charles and Paul On The Economy
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on March 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Chicago politics, Current Affairs, Economic Stimulus, Economy, Mortgage Crisis, Mortgages, Rahm Emanuel, Stimulus Plan, Tim Geithner
As in Charles Krauthammer and Paul Krugman, that is. One is typically more conservative, one is more liberal, and both had columns this week on how Obama is dealing with our financial crisis, or not. Now, I have long enjoyed Paul Krugman’s work – he is a brilliant, brilliant man (the Nobel Prize Committee thought so, too), who knows his stuff when it comes to Economics.
Charles Krauthammer is someone for whom I have developed a grudging respect, thanks in no small part to my friend, SusanUnPC at No Quarter, who encouraged me to read him (until SusanUnPC told me, I didn’t know that Krauthammer is a psychiatrist who is paralyzed as a result of a diving accident. Clearly, he has not let that stop him one bit.). What I have discovered is that he is a very deliberate thinker. I may not always agree with what he says, but I can’t disagree with how he reaches his conclusions, if you know what I mean. And it is Mr. Krauthammer’s article, The Great Non Sequitur, The Sleight of Hand Behind Obama’s Agenda(h/t to LisaB for this article), with which I want to begin. Again, it is the economy that he is addressing, and Obama’s response to it:
Forget the pork. Forget the waste. Forget the 8,570 earmarks in a bill supported by a president who poses as the scourge of earmarks. Forget the “2 trillion dollars in savings” that “we have already identified,” $1.6 trillion of which President Obama’s budget director later admits is the “savings” of not continuing the surge in Iraq until 2019 — 11 years after George Bush ended it, and eight years after even Bush would have had us out of Iraq completely.Forget all of this. This is run-of-the-mill budget trickery. True, Obama’s tricks come festooned with strings of zeros tacked onto the end. But that’s a matter of scale, not principle.
All presidents do that. But few undertake the kind of brazen deception at the heart of Obama’s radically transformative economic plan, a rhetorical sleight of hand so smoothly offered that few noticed.
The logic of Obama’s address to Congress went like this:
“Our economy did not fall into decline overnight,” he averred. Indeed, it all began before the housing crisis. What did we do wrong? We are paying for past sins in three principal areas: energy, health care and education — importing too much oil and not finding new sources of energy (as in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Outer Continental Shelf?), not reforming health care, and tolerating too many bad schools.
The “day of reckoning” has arrived. And because “it is only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we’ll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament,” Obama has come to redeem us with his far-seeing program of universal, heavily nationalized health care; a cap-and-trade tax on energy; and a major federalization of education with universal access to college as the goal.
Amazing. As an explanation of our current economic difficulties, this is total fantasy. As a cure for rapidly growing joblessness, a massive destruction of wealth, a deepening worldwide recession, this is perhaps the greatest non sequitur ever foisted upon the American people.
Well, that’s ONE way of putting it! A non sequitur. Nicely put. He continues:
At the very center of our economic near-depression is a credit bubble, a housing collapse and a systemic failure of the banking industry. One can come up with a host of causes: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pushed by Washington (and greed) into improvident loans, corrupted bond-ratings agencies, insufficient regulation of new and exotic debt instruments, the easy money policy of Alan Greenspan’s Fed, irresponsible bankers pushing (and then unloading in packaged loan instruments) highly dubious mortgages, greedy house-flippers, deceitful home buyers.The list is long. But the list of causes of the collapse of the financial system does not include the absence of universal health care, let alone of computerized medical records. Nor the absence of an industry-killing cap-and-trade carbon levy. Nor the lack of college graduates. Indeed, one could perversely make the case that, if anything, the proliferation of overeducated, Gucci-wearing, smart-ass MBAs inventing ever more sophisticated and opaque mathematical models and debt instruments helped get us into this credit catastrophe.
I can’t argue much with him there. And thank heavens SOMEONE is bringing up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Both played a HUGE part in our current fiscal crisis, ye tfor reasons I don’t understand, these two institutions are rarely mentioned in the conversation these days.
Krauthammer continues:
And yet with our financial house on fire, Obama makes clear both in his speech and his budget that the essence of his presidency will be the transformation of health care, education and energy. Four months after winning the election, six weeks after his swearing-in, Obama has yet to unveil a plan to deal with the banking crisis.What’s going on? “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” said chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”
Things. Now we know what they are. The markets’ recent precipitous decline is a reaction not just to the absence of any plausible bank rescue plan, but also to the suspicion that Obama sees the continuing financial crisis as usefully creating the psychological conditions — the sense of crisis bordering on fear-itself panic — for enacting his “Big Bang” agenda to federalize and/or socialize health care, education and energy, the commanding heights of post-industrial society.
I guess that’s some of that Chicago-style politics we’ve heard about – not wanting a “serious crisis to go to waste.” That is just so offensive in so many ways, my head is spinning. Apparently, so was Krauthammer’s:
Clever politics, but intellectually dishonest to the core. Health, education and energy — worthy and weighty as they may be — are not the cause of our financial collapse. And they are not the cure. The fraudulent claim that they are both cause and cure is the rhetorical device by which an ambitious president intends to enact the most radical agenda of social transformation seen in our lifetime. (letters@charleskrauthammer.com )
Paul Krugman also takes as his jumping off point Obama’s address to Congress in this article,
The Big Dither (h/t to American Girl for this). You just have to love that title, don’t you? Anyway, Krugman doesn’t seem all that impressed with how Obama is handling things given his rhetoric:
Last month, in his big speech to Congress, President Obama argued for bold steps to fix America’s dysfunctional banks. “While the cost of action will be great,” he declared, “I can assure you that the cost of inaction will be far greater, for it could result in an economy that sputters along for not months or years, but perhaps a decade.”Many analysts agree. But among people I talk to there’s a growing sense of frustration, even panic, over Mr. Obama’s failure to match his words with deeds. The reality is that when it comes to dealing with the banks, the Obama administration is dithering. Policy is stuck in a holding pattern.
Here’s how the pattern works: first, administration officials, usually speaking off the record, float a plan for rescuing the banks in the press. This trial balloon is quickly shot down by informed commentators.
Then, a few weeks later, the administration floats a new plan. This plan is, however, just a thinly disguised version of the previous plan, a fact quickly realized by all concerned. And the cycle starts again.
That sounds about right, doesn’t it? Just keep plying the same piece of crap, and give it another name! Yep – same plan, different day, same result:
Why do officials keep offering plans that nobody else finds credible? Because somehow, top officials in the Obama administration and at the Federal Reserve have convinced themselves that troubled assets, often referred to these days as “toxic waste,” are really worth much more than anyone is actually willing to pay for them — and that if these assets were properly priced, all our troubles would go away.Thus, in a recent interview Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, tried to make a distinction between the “basic inherent economic value” of troubled assets and the “artificially depressed value” that those assets command right now. In recent transactions, even AAA-rated mortgage-backed securities have sold for less than 40 cents on the dollar, but Mr. Geithner seems to think they’re worth much, much more.
And the government’s job, he declared, is to “provide the financing to help get those markets working,” pushing the price of toxic waste up to where it ought to be.
What’s more, officials seem to believe that getting toxic waste properly priced would cure the ills of all our major financial institutions. Earlier this week, Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, was asked about the problem of “zombies” — financial institutions that are effectively bankrupt but are being kept alive by government aid. “I don’t know of any large zombie institutions in the U.S. financial system,” he declared, and went on to specifically deny that A.I.G. — A.I.G.! — is a zombie.
This is the same A.I.G. that, unable to honor its promises to pay off other financial institutions when bonds default, has already received $150 billion in aid and just got a commitment for $30 billion more.
Doesn’t that just BURN YOU UP??? That AIG is getting even MORE money? HOW is this going to help, especially since they seem not to have changed their behavior one whit. Krugman continued:
The truth is that the Bernanke-Geithner plan — the plan the administration keeps floating, in slightly different versions — isn’t going to fly.Take the plan’s latest incarnation: a proposal to make low-interest loans to private investors willing to buy up troubled assets. This would certainly drive up the price of toxic waste because it would offer a heads-you-win, tails-we-lose proposition. As described, the plan would let investors profit if asset prices went up but just walk away if prices fell substantially.
But would it be enough to make the banking system healthy? No.
Think of it this way: by using taxpayer funds to subsidize the prices of toxic waste, the administration would shower benefits on everyone who made the mistake of buying the stuff. Some of those benefits would trickle down to where they’re needed, shoring up the balance sheets of key financial institutions. But most of the benefit would go to people who don’t need or deserve to be rescued.
And this means that the government would have to lay out trillions of dollars to bring the financial system back to health, which would, in turn, both ensure a fierce public outcry and add to already serious concerns about the deficit. (Yes, even strong advocates of fiscal stimulus like yours truly worry about red ink.) Realistically, it’s just not going to happen.
Oh, dear. Well, that’s not very encouraging, is it? No, not really, and Krugman doesn’t think so, either:
So why has this zombie idea — it keeps being killed, but it keeps coming back — taken such a powerful grip? The answer, I fear, is that officials still aren’t willing to face the facts. They don’t want to face up to the dire state of major financial institutions because it’s very hard to rescue an essentially insolvent bank without, at least temporarily, taking it over. And temporary nationalization is still, apparently, considered unthinkable.But this refusal to face the facts means, in practice, an absence of action. And I share the president’s fears: inaction could result in an economy that sputters along, not for months or years, but for a decade or more.
That’s been the problem all along, isn’t it? The inability, or unwillingness, to face facts, from our officials AND the electorate, who have demonstrated that very characteristic for far too long. Heck, that’s how we ended up with Obama in the first place – the blind acceptance of his words with nary a glance at his deeds, the unwillingness to look at the FACTS about Obama, who he is, what his record is or is not, his connections to unsavory characters, his Chicago-politician history and style, his lack of policy, his blatant theft of ideas…
And the latter is the big problem now. Because he got over during his campaign by taking Clinton’s ideas, often whole cloth, he has NO idea how to implement them, or how to adjust them, or what is necessary for them to be successful. We are bearing the brunt of this Cheater in Chief, who hasn’t the foggiest how to adequately address the economic climate in which we find ourselves, through loss of jobs, homes, and retirement funds. A man who has gotten where he is not by his own hard work, but the King making of others. This man who provides the non sequitur, the Zombie plan, is not going to fix this disastrous economy. Inaction is not the answer, but WHAT the action is is crucial.
I can only hope that people of this stature, the Krugmans and Krauthammers among us, continue to speak out. Hopefully, prayerfully, their words will get through, and maybe, just maybe, we can get ourselves out of this “thing,” as Emmanuel said, not for political gain, but for the sake of the country.









































Plain and simple, Obama sucks. How in the hell this atrocity happened is so beyond my comprehension! I cannot even begin to put into words hwo I really feel about this phoney! He is my worst nightmare and causing me nightmares. To top it all off, I had hoped that I would find my fears had been greatly exaggerated, but no, he is even worse than I’d imagined. How much will people need to oust the guy? And, a word to Obamabots, you can only blame Bush for a little while. You need to start thinking about your next excuse because Bush is gone, Baby! You can’t kick him around forever. Find some other lie to tell, will ya?
I think this adequately explains how we got this atrocity.
“…worse than I imagined.” Yes; but as bad as I imagined he would be if in office, I could not even imagine the EC would vote for him. Not because I thought they were so smart; but because I knew he was so bad, surely they would see this, and stop him.
this snake oil saleman has done absolutely nothing to earn or deserve the most important job in the world other than being fortunate enough to be born with more of his father’s pigment than his mothers.
What, are you a Rayciss or sumpthin? <snark?
Well, you can’t come at Obama from the right via Krauthammer and from the left via Krugman and say they are both right. If you got Krauthammer in a room with Krugman, you’d have about 5% agreement.
This is just looking for criticism from whichever quarter it can be culled.
Obama can do nothing right. We get it. But if you are going to build your life around criticizing Obama, for the love of God at least don’t do it from two diametrically inconsistent angles at once.
The problem with Obummer is that no matter what angle you look at him from, there is nothing there. He is a fraud who pulled the wool over the eyes of little more than half the voters of this country. Now we are paying the price for your election of an empty suit with an appetite for luxury. As a result the country is spiraling down into a depression with massive unemployment and the imminent collapse of the banking system on the horizon. And what does Obummer do while we go broke and soon go hungry? He jets around the country patting himself on the back for the policies that are dooming a large part of the population to homelessness and hunger. Or he gives parties at the White House for his “friends and supporters”, with expensive food and drink, at our expense. When he isn’t taking a break, that is, because he is so “tired” from not doing his job. Obummer is the biggest mistake this country has ever made. I pray America can recover, although I doubt she will while he is in office.
I think the exact opposite is true and I think you know that.
The point is that whether or not you agree with either of these two men, they are incredibly knowledgable and straightforward. If both of them are finding fault with what he is doing, for whatever their own reasons happen to be, then what Obama is doing is a major mess.
That One is diametrically inconsistent, which must be accounted for in any criticism of him. You duds and That One set up the framework; we are just playing by YOUR rules.
I think you’re missing the point. These two people come from different ends of the political spectrum.
Yet, they have both come to the same conclusions about the economy.
To me, this says that our economic problems have gone far past left, right, or who likes whom.
I understand The One is not to be criticized. Therefore, he deserves no credit either.
Just to be fair of course.
so you don’t have a counterargument, you just made an appearance to collect your Obot pay? Do your Obot duty?
As if reasoning with you would work.
Your use of the word reasoning creates an oxymoron without the need for any other words, pubis.
As if you actually employed ‘reason’ at any point…
I can’t even tell if you read both K’s articles from your post. You appear to be completely ignorant of the contents of either.
Publius, you stated “for the love of God”. Please don’t use God in any shape or form when discussing this visitor from the nether world. It is actually for the love of God that we are frightened to death of everything that Obama represents.
Isn’t it pretty obvious that if there is fire from the right and fire from the left that somewhere in there is smoke? The very fact that Krauthammer and Krugman both find Obama lacking in leadership and logical thinking should dispel the notion that the problem is just partisan blindness and give you a clue that Dear Leader is a troublemaker in trouble.
The problem with Obamacus is that he was told “you are the One we’ve been waiting for” so many times that him and his staff just believed that his mere victory and presence would cause all sorts of divergent parties to come together at the table of Obamacus. Or that a snub to someone like the UK prime minister would go unchallenged and unnoticed.
Hillary joked about it and was resoundly criticized. But clearly Obama is someone who’s never had to work hard, or work/serve long enough to develope contacts and relationships thats needed to govern effectively.
And then again, you have to ask for all of Krugman’s genius, why didn’t he see this disaster waiting to happen with a green, inexperienced candidate who refused to answer, or even be asked, the tough questions? I know we all did.
Too true – someone posted a link here yesterday to Obama’s law firm time. Apparently, his colleagues didn’t appreciate him having his feet up on his desk, keyboard in lap, working on his novel, “Dreams of My Father” while they were all busting their butts for billable hours (I have had many friends who worked in law firms, especially early on in their careers, that meant being there around 7 in the morning and getting home around 10 at night). Uh, yeah. He has never had to work hard a day in his life. Even his vaunted Community Organizing career was nothing to speak of, according to HIM, and the people he allegedly was organizing (they had already organized before he came, and their pursuit was not accomplished until after he left).
What a piece of work.
And OSMB, I feel your pain…
Krugman was a long and committed HRC reporter and came to support Obama only when HRC was no longer a candidate. He supported HRC’s efforts to get at the mortgage crisis during the election.
Cheater in chief. Heh.
How do you spell incompetent? OBAMA.
Obama’s reign, to date, constitutes the SHORTEST time ever for a politician to rise to his Level of Incompetence!
Ah, the Peter Principle in action.
Obama “happened” because our elections are corrupt. The party leaders have been exploiting a broken election system for decades now and the evidence of this has been brought forth by the election reform community for the last 5 years. I can attest to this because I am the former Associate Director of Black Box Voting.org. The “in the field investigative” work Bev Harris and I did was highlighted in the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy”.
I now live in Texas and I witnessed and even documented the Texas caucus process and captured some of what “really” happened, which was not covered by the MSM. A considerable amount of what I videotaped was put into the the recently completed documentary, directed by Brad Mays, entitled “The Audacity of Democracy”. This is an extremely important film because it clearly shows how the obama campaign exploited the corrupt caucus process to his advantage and how the party leaders enabled his campaign in this anything but democratic process to ensure that obama got the nomination. The democratic leaders disenfranchised half of their members and nominated a man who did not get the popular vote (just like George W).
Perhaps when Americans open their eyes and really see that the man who they believed was all about change and above politics as usual, only brought the Chicago style politics with him to the 2008 presidential race, then maybe they’ll awaken from their kool-aid haze. I certainly hope so. Because until Americans come to terms with the reality that as long as our elections are a sham, we will continue to get “sham” representatives, not elected by the people but by the party leaders and the power elite who control them. When that day comes, then and only then, will we make real progress in taking back our country.
Until that day, we are simply spitting in the wind.
Wow – thank you for the work you have done, Kathleen! Black Box Voting is an incredibly important organization. It is astonishing that the work you have done has not received more press – in FL, in TX, across the country.
Will the documentary show in theaters? If so, PLEASE keep us posted on that. If not, how can we see this documentary?
Reverend Amy,
Hacking Democracy can be found on the site “hackingdemocracy.com”.
I hope you will also get the word out about “The Audacity of Democracy”, which was in part financed by PUMAPAC. It, too, is a very important film that, like “Hacking Democracy” demonstrates just how corrupt the election system truly is. Both films document very important times in history that must be preserved.
You can find “The Audacity of Democracy” on Amazon.com. Just type the name of the film and it will pop up. I hope everyone will take the time to view both of these films. The truth is a precious commodity, especially during these times of total and complete misinformation by the 4th Estate! These films need to be distributed throughout the country in an all out effort to keep the “truth alive” and the absolute need for citizen involvement in the democratic process, if we truly wish to take back our country.
RR – here’s a thought. How about NQ hosting a “Movie Night” featuring these two documentary’s. Or better yet, organize all of the PUMA blogs to host one big movie night. It would certainly get folks attention and more will see the movies resulting in spreading the information far and wide.
Oh, I like that idea of a NQ movie night! I wonder if that is possible? I’ll have to ask the Administrator.
Thanks so much for the info, Kathleen. Are there trailers for them at YouTube, by any chance? I would be more than happy to highlight them in a post (and if we can do a movie night,it would help to have trailers anyway).
Rev. Amy,
I’ve been floating the idea that the PUMA coalitions join together with the election reform community in raising public awareness about election corruption.
One movie night is a good start, but it’s not nearly enough in building “critical mass” citizen support of meaningful election reform. By “meaningful”, I mean the return to hand counted paper ballots. As is the case for all movements that are created to empower the people, the election reform movement has been infiltrated by those who wish to “muddy the waters” and confuse the public as to why we must return to counting our votes by hand. Remember, it was a corrupt Congress who rammed these machines down our throats without so much as a real debate on the pros and cons of voting software counting our votes instead of the people.
I would welcome the opportunity to speak with you Rev. Amy regarding my vision of how the PUMA movement can join forces with the election reform movement.
Please feel free to contact me.
I think you’ll find that most people here have realised this. We had our eyes opened wide last year and it wasn’t a pretty sight. It is extremely depressing, in fact.
The question is how do we change it? The party leaders then are the Party leaders now. They ignored voters last year and they will continue to do that as it suits them. My goodness, they ignored entire States during that pathetic excuse of a roll-call vote. They took away delegates legally won by one candidate and gave them to a candidate who took his name off the ballot in a strategic move in the Rules and By-Laws Committee meeting. And there was no outrage, or not enough. Super Delegates were pressured into “endorsing” a candidate, something they are not required to do under the Party’s own rules. Too many Democrats were happy to go along because “their” candidate was the recipient. Too many Democrats were, and still are, completely unconcerned about truth, fair elections, anything at all so long as their candidate was the “winner”.
How do you get those voters to understand that they are wrong to accept anything less than fair elections? I’ve tried, and been called all kinds of names. They don’t understand, or choose to ignore, that next time it might not be their candidate who “wins”. They choose to forget their outrage over the selection of George W. Bush in 2000. So long as they are happy with the outcome, they just don’t care.
Spot on. The former Democrats engaged in the two-wrongs-make-a-right bit of chicanery this last election cycle and then had the nerve to tell HRC supporters to “get over it” much like the bushbots told the Democrats to “get over it” in 2000. Now there’s an example of living up to one’s principles–yeah, right.
Thanks for your hard work on elections. I voted for Nader this year because I came to the conclusion that he’s right–we don’t have a voice.
I never thought I would become as cynical about the Dems as I did this year watching how the deck was stacked for BO against Hillary by her own party!
And the same MSM that trashed Gore and lurved Bush, that brought us the Iraq war, that feminized Kerry, brought us Obummer–the only difference this time is that it was so blatant.
God Bless you, Ms Wynn.
Great piece Amy!!! Great idea to put these two together. I’ve read both before but this Krauthammer piece was very strong.
Loved these bits:
And this:
Bamboozling, yeah, that’s it.
That One’s agenda isn’t about fixing anything. It is about making us all indentured servants to his corporate masters on the one hand and his Ivory-Tower socialist geeks on the other. This is a nightmarish conglomeration of the worst of the left and the right rolled up into one autocratic whole.
You couldn’t be more right on the money…has anyone considered that Oboobi actually wants the whole system to crumble, period! We know he hates the country by the company he keeps and by his previous enthusiastic dealings with our mortal enemies. For all we know he’s working for them.
Patterico dusts off a 2006 poll from Fox News that plumbs the history of wishing failure a little more thoroughly than the media seems to want to do on their own. The question of wishing success or failure is not new; Fox explicitly asked that very question to its survey respondents. Fifty-one percent of Democrats wanted to see George Bush fail:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/09/guess-who-also-wanted-a-president-to-fail/
Fingerpointing and subterfuge is all the Obama camp knows. We are so screwed. Obama thinks this is a “modest recession”… “Look, I wish I had the luxury of just dealing with a modest recession or just dealing with health care or just dealing with energy or just dealing with Iraq or just dealing with Afghanistan,” Mr. Obama said. “I don’t have that luxury, and I don’t think the American people do, either.”
By all indications, we are on the verge of an economic collapse of mega proportions. Obama and crew need to realize it, quit the yapping, quit being spend thrifts. Get up off their lazy butts and hire somebody to fix this mess.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_bi_ge/buffett_economy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_bi_ge/landlord_nation
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/us/politics/08obama.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1
Everytime I BO talk about the economy, I can’t help but come to the conclusion that Michelle holds the checkbook. He doesn’t have a clue.
It is hard to comprehend the contempt for America, it’s liberties and it’s people that is clearly revealed in this statement. Never let a good crisis go to waste… is there any doubt what this administration has no good intentions here? This gets even worse when you consider that John McCain was ahead of Obama when the whole financial “crisis” was born. Yes, we had issues, and we still do… but when Obama fell behind McCain… when Sarah Palin took “That One’s” star power… then we had a “crisis”. Myself, at this point… I no longer believe in coincidences. So, the only question is… how many more Americans will lose their jobs, lose their homes, lose their life savings… before “That One” and his administration feel we have had enough… and they call off the dogs of depression. Is it when they have socialized the banks, socialized health care… how much is enough? What is the plan here? We might ought to ask that question… seriously ask it.
It also seriously begs the question, “How much of this crisis was manufactured so That One could take the White House”?
I know, we have some major issues here to deal with. I really think that Obama… bad as it seems is just a symptom of the disease we have as a nation. Is he dragging out the financial crisis because it helps perpetuate fear and helps to further his social agenda? It sure would appear that way. Was the entire financial “crisis” orchestrated to this end? It certainly is appearing to be plausible as a theory. But, at the heart of it all is the election process itself has broken. How can a broken system… if not an overtly corrupt system produce an honest candidate? No, Obama is not the disease… just one of the major symptoms.
I agree. My question was mainly rhetorical. There are two others that go along with the first:
2. Who would want such a crisis?
3. Why would a crisis be manufactured?
I’m not talking about conspiracy theories but about questions that should be thought about long and hard. The only moot questions are the ones that aren’t asked, as it were.
Excellent discussion, y’all. You raise some good points and great questions!
Thanks, LisaB! I appreciate your thoughts on this.
And thanks, Sassy – I wonder if Buffet regrets backing Obama now?
Rahm Emmanuel’s comment, the absolute dirth of feeling, should strike fear into people’s hearts. It goes to mindset, and what it says is pretty damn scary, if you ask me.
>>> 2. Who would want such a crisis?
Those who might profit financially or advance an agenda thereby.
>>> 3. Why would a crisis be manufactured?
That some might profit financially or advance an agenda thereby.
It is obvious to me this was orchestrated…but to exactly what ultimate end I’m still trying to figure out….of course, the first thing that comes to mind that these people simple hate us, hate what america stands for, and want to kill it for good. They want to creat any condition to make our Constitution appear obsolete and useless.
There’s no doubt this was all planned.
Absolutely, this was all planned.
Go to the blog of “insightanalytical” and you will read about part of the long term plan that has been in progress for years. It’s only now that the steps are advancing so rapidly that people are waking up and seeing the light. This is just another step along the road to Global Union.
Good work Amy!
This morning I heard the reference to Buffet’s comment that the economy had “gone over the cliff”.
Then a newspaper article said that Geithner has already fallen far behind.
Next Krugman reiterated that the stimulus was not timely or large enough, and said the administration is now “behind the curve”.
We are too far into dire circumstances, and we have absolutely no one to turn to, barring a miracle!
I keep thinking, for reasons I can’t explain even to myself, that Obama’s going to fold one of these days. I can see him one day just deciding he’s had enough, offloading everything onto the shadow cabinet and going on permanent vacation. He might even resign – that’s probably just wishful thinking – but it could happen with this guy.
He’s so very obviously not up to the job (and Biden’s no Cheney) that even the Obamaphiles in my circle are starting to see it. We no longer have impromptu “Obama praise meetings” in the middle of other discussions like we used to and people are very careful not to ask my opinion about current events, that could be because they already know what I’d say, but I think they’re embarrassed to admit they were so totally wrong to someone who was so totally right.
I wouldn’t eliminate this from the realm of possibility since he is a truly slothful person at his core. Moreover, when the adoration required by his narcissism can no longer be sustained by his addle-headed supporters, he may just pack up his toys and leave in a huff.
I think Michelle will call it. She has the goods on him and when she’s had enough negative publicity, she’ll let him know it’s time to party elsewhere.
Mechelle is not going to give up those WH perks easily or give up all the glam covers, bare arms or bare a$$.
I wouldn’t say it is out of the realm of possibility either. The Presidency is a long way from the streets of Chicago where corruption and fraud is the norm. And although millions of Obot supporters will contend that is ok, millions more will say it isn’t especially when running the country.
As we’ve never seen his medical records, he could claim to have some illness that prevents him from carrying out the duties of a president (forget that he’s just incapable of doing the job!) and leave gracefully. Unfortunately, Biden would take over, but really could he be any worse?
At this point, anyone would be better than That One, including an empty chair in the Oval Office.
I’ve wondered about that too. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but then Biden faced with a job he won’t want could also claim medical problems, and leave it in Pelosi’s lap. If she’s smart she’ll do what one of Iceland’s ministerial successor did and steo aside for Hillary. (I think I read somewhere that SOS would be the next in line.) If she didn’t the outcry against Pelosi would be fitting.
….the outcry against Pelosi would be fitting given her treachery.
but think about it.if Biden took over..named HILLARY V.P, then he stepped aside for health reasons..
hello MADAM PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul Krugman, this time last year, slammed Hillary for wanting a full investigation into the rising mortgage crisis.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/26/paul-krugman-slamshill_n_93522.html?view=screen
Here’s the link to the situation that led to the appointment of Iceland’s minister:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/world-gets-its-first-gay-head-of-state-1519068.html
Pray.
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Krugman is on target. There’s fuzzy math, fuzzy strategy; Iraq promises to become Obama’s mirage, and BO’s mystique has become monotonous if you know what I mean.
There’s no doubt to me that this was all planned to make our constituion appear obsolete and useless.
To Freedom is Dead – You are so right. This disasterous melt-down of our economy was deliberately planned by an entity with long-range goals in mind. Their game has been into play for a long, long time, but now with an incompetent Obama coming on the tails of an incompetent (like a fox) Bush their plans are nearer fruition. Insightanalytical has a post up that might explain a little of what is going on. “The North American Community/North American Union” Their goal for this step in the saga is set for 2010. Go read, and then connect the dots. Frightening, but true.
I do not buy into the planned catastrophe theory. This mess is so bad that it defies planning. No, this is the kind of mess you get when no one is planning anything but there own financial and political ambitions.
Oh there was planning. That’s why we have the Fed. Greenspan carefully planned his response to the previous recession and pushed this solution. Certainly, they didn’t expect the results they got. The truth is that you cannot force interest rates low (massively increase the money supply) and NOT get a hell of a business cycle, i.e. bad recession or depression. Of course it was all in the name of moderating the business cycle. So their intentions were good! Doesn’t that make it all better?
AND, worse, this is the same plan Bernanke and Paulson pushed that hasn’t worked and they resorted to extortion, threats against them, like when Bank of America was buying Merryl Lynch, not disclosing complete information and when B of A spoke up, Paulson threatened them.
Oh joy………Rinse, REPEAT
btw, great post and thank you Krauthammer and Krugman.
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