Comments on: The Idiocy of Advocacy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:43:22 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: candymarl http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171399 candymarl Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:43:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171399 The problem is that <strong>our country is in economic distress</strong>. Being popular doesn't make one a good President. Bush was popular and look at the results. I like Jimmy Carter personally but don't think he was a very effective President. Using JFK's popularity is a straw man. He didn't finish his term due to being murdered. It follows there would be a mystique about him after that. This isn't American Idol. Obama is planning to send <em>more troops, other than the 17,000 he has already sent to Afghanistan</em>. Obama has <em>intensified the bombing in Pakistan</em>. There's your anti-war President at work. The problem is that our country is in economic distress.

Being popular doesn’t make one a good President.
Bush was popular and look at the results.

I like Jimmy Carter personally but don’t think he was a very effective President.

Using JFK’s popularity is a straw man. He didn’t finish his term due to being murdered. It follows there would be a mystique about him after that.

This isn’t American Idol. Obama is planning to send more troops, other than the 17,000 he has already sent to Afghanistan.

Obama has intensified the bombing in Pakistan.

There’s your anti-war President at work.

]]> By: Ferd Berfle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171333 Ferd Berfle Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:43:06 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171333 Why is it that all the defective obamabots like you come here to off-gas? That assembly line that you duds come off needs a bit of process-flow diagramming to determine where in the line they forgot to put in your motherboard. Frankly your words are trite and reek of too much Kool-Aide and not enough fresh air. Why is it that all the defective obamabots like you come here to off-gas? That assembly line that you duds come off needs a bit of process-flow diagramming to determine where in the line they forgot to put in your motherboard.

Frankly your words are trite and reek of too much Kool-Aide and not enough fresh air.

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171331 tek Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:39:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171331 Barney: the only person on crack is OBAMA! That's why MoveOn.org loves him. Barney: the only person on crack is OBAMA! That’s why MoveOn.org loves him.

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171328 tek Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:36:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171328 MaggietheCat: glad to see a real Democrat on this post. Of course, anyone who was in enough denial to support George W. Bush in the first place is likely still in denial. Bill Clinton is the last American political hero. He won the nomination fair and square, he was eminently qualified to the job. No president since can make that claim. And yes, Al Gore did win in 2000. MaggietheCat: glad to see a real Democrat on this post. Of course, anyone who was in enough denial to support George W. Bush in the first place is likely still in denial. Bill Clinton is the last American political hero. He won the nomination fair and square, he was eminently qualified to the job. No president since can make that claim. And yes, Al Gore did win in 2000.

]]> By: tek http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171327 tek Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:33:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171327 The saddest thing is that MoveOn.org should have any influence in the government whatsoever. There's no democracy in this country anymore, just two stupid parties doing every unethical thing they can think of to amass power and use it against the American People. The saddest thing is that MoveOn.org should have any influence in the government whatsoever. There’s no democracy in this country anymore, just two stupid parties doing every unethical thing they can think of to amass power and use it against the American People.

]]> By: Barney http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171218 Barney Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:10:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171218 What a crappy piece of commentary this post is? I am not sure exactly what your point is? You sight two Democrats from two fairly meaningless southern states and somehow suggest that it is a bad idea of adminstration officials or independent organizes to lobby members of congress for their vote for a piece of legislation? You think that Mary Landrieu will get more votes if she listens to Republicans. Are you on crack? You have no concept of where this country is right now and what the people want? You would choice siding with a weak and useless Republican party over a very popular President? You think that is a winning strategy. You must be on crack. You think the rest of the country cares about what a few southern red states think? You think that it is even important that the democrats win in those states? What a crappy piece of commentary this post is?

I am not sure exactly what your point is? You sight two Democrats from two fairly meaningless southern states and somehow suggest that it is a bad idea of adminstration officials or independent organizes to lobby members of congress for their vote for a piece of legislation?

You think that Mary Landrieu will get more votes if she listens to Republicans. Are you on crack?

You have no concept of where this country is right now and what the people want?

You would choice siding with a weak and useless Republican party over a very popular President? You think that is a winning strategy. You must be on crack.

You think the rest of the country cares about what a few southern red states think? You think that it is even important that the democrats win in those states?

]]> By: CG http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171202 CG Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:35:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171202 Agree Truthteller, Rove, MoveOn and Americans United are idiotic, and irrelevant beyond considering their respective strategies. You are absolutely correct that Hillary and Bill Clinton do understand political paradoxes and realities. Agree Truthteller, Rove, MoveOn and Americans United are idiotic, and irrelevant beyond considering their respective strategies. You are absolutely correct that Hillary and Bill Clinton do understand political paradoxes and realities.

]]> By: Tony http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171192 Tony Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:57:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171192 It depends on the dynamics of the individual race. If they see an opening to run their own candidate, they will. Otherwise they could rally around a more centrist Democrat, as we saw in CT with Liebermen, when these same groups tried to oust him. It depends on the dynamics of the individual race. If they see an opening to run their own candidate, they will.

Otherwise they could rally around a more centrist Democrat, as we saw in CT with Liebermen, when these same groups tried to oust him.

]]> By: Tony http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171190 Tony Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:54:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171190 Those advocacy groups don't seem to understand that people in Congress have to answer to the constituents in their home states, they seem to think that moveon, etc elected them, therefore, they are answerable only to moveon and like-minded groups. Most of those groups seem to be made up of people who live on the west coast or in the NE, and would be happy if the rest of the states dropped off the map anyway. Anyway, I don't think Rove is an idiot. He might be using his analysis to deliberately get those groups to miscalculate, since they do put alot of weight in his words, since they tend to view him as an evil genius. Those advocacy groups don’t seem to understand that people in Congress have to answer to the constituents in their home states, they seem to think that moveon, etc elected them, therefore, they are answerable only to moveon and like-minded groups.

Most of those groups seem to be made up of people who live on the west coast or in the NE, and would be happy if the rest of the states dropped off the map anyway.

Anyway, I don’t think Rove is an idiot. He might be using his analysis to deliberately get those groups to miscalculate, since they do put alot of weight in his words, since they tend to view him as an evil genius.

]]> By: Ellen D http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171177 Ellen D Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:39:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171177 Newt Gingrich told Republicans that yesterday. Newt Gingrich told Republicans that yesterday.

]]> By: DAB http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171168 DAB Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:23:17 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171168 I heard that Obama's grass roots door knocking campaign to get people to sign a petition supporting his budget has been pretty much a bust so that leaves the dirty work up to a few lefty organizations. Obama likes to project his nice guy image while sticking it to those who dare not toe his line. I still have hope though -- HOPE that this nefarious scheme backfires on him big time! I heard that Obama’s grass roots door knocking campaign to get people to sign a petition supporting his budget has been pretty much a bust so that leaves the dirty work up to a few lefty organizations.

Obama likes to project his nice guy image while sticking it to those who dare not toe his line. I still have hope though — HOPE that this nefarious scheme backfires on him big time!

]]> By: jangles http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171163 jangles Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:13:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171163 What is really going to happen? These moderate Dems will get clobbered and the Repubs will elect someone who is an extreme conservative. But that may not be too bad for Dems because in moderate to liberal geography the Dems have successfully destroyed the Republican party's moderate candidates. There are literally no Repub in the north east. Few in the Pacific northwest or west coast. What is really going to happen? These moderate Dems will get clobbered and the Repubs will elect someone who is an extreme conservative. But that may not be too bad for Dems because in moderate to liberal geography the Dems have successfully destroyed the Republican party’s moderate candidates. There are literally no Repub in the north east. Few in the Pacific northwest or west coast.

]]> By: MaggyTheCat http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171141 MaggyTheCat Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:44:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171141 "Masses of Clinton-weary voters jumped onto the candidate Bush, because they were sick of scandal…" Actually, Bill Clinton had the highest approval ratings for any president at the end of his term since the end of World War II, 66% -- there was NO voter flight from from Bill Clinton's scandals to candidate Bush. See Bill Clinton's Wiki page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton Furthermore, Al Gore WON the popular vote in 2000 by over 500,000 votes -- he got more votes then candidate Bush nationwide, so the country preferred Gore to Bush in 2000. Plus, IF the Supreme Court had not stopped the recount in Florida, Gore might have won the Electoral College vote as well. You can read all about that here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/112101a.html Just FYI. “Masses of Clinton-weary voters jumped onto the candidate Bush, because they were sick of scandal…”

Actually, Bill Clinton had the highest approval ratings for any president at the end of his term since the end of World War II, 66% — there was NO voter flight from from Bill Clinton’s scandals to candidate Bush. See Bill Clinton’s Wiki page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

Furthermore, Al Gore WON the popular vote in 2000 by over 500,000 votes — he got more votes then candidate Bush nationwide, so the country preferred Gore to Bush in 2000. Plus, IF the Supreme Court had not stopped the recount in Florida, Gore might have won the Electoral College vote as well. You can read all about that here:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/112101a.html

Just FYI.

]]> By: jessiebritton http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171131 jessiebritton Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:30:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171131 There is a faction, like my self, who have been long time Democratic voters and who will never again vote a straight Democractic ticket. We( Hillary voters) in Texas who had the misfortune to go thru our caucus process, is going to find it very hard to vote for any of this bunch that treated us so badly. I will cast my vote for any moderate Republican and just not vote on the races that has a consevative running. We will make the difference in close races. There is a faction, like my self, who have been long time Democratic voters and who will never again vote a straight Democractic ticket. We( Hillary voters) in Texas who had the misfortune to go thru our caucus process, is going to find it very hard to vote for any of this bunch that treated us so badly. I will cast my vote for any moderate Republican and just not vote on the races that has a consevative running. We will make the difference in close races.

]]> By: Andy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/03/the-idiocy-of-advocacy/#comment-1171121 Andy Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:08:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=19886#comment-1171121 Well these Dem Senators voted for the POTUS's budget finally. Only Evan Bayh and Nelson voted No. PBO is still too strong for most to dare to go against him...It is rather depressing how little public outrage there is with the gigantic budget. Of course the MSM is to blame....What is worse is that PBO's proposal had cuts in Medicare something the Dems in Senate properly opposed. PBO and the Repubs will destroy tge future of SS and Medicare.... Well these Dem Senators voted for the POTUS’s budget finally. Only Evan Bayh and Nelson voted No. PBO is still too strong for most to dare to go against him…It is rather depressing how little public outrage there is with the gigantic budget. Of course the MSM is to blame….What is worse is that PBO’s proposal had cuts in Medicare something the Dems in Senate properly opposed. PBO and the Repubs will destroy tge future of SS and Medicare….

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