[Angry Update] Spineless Obama Gets Served, Again
By SusanUnPC on April 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM in Economy, Foreign Policy, Hugo Chavez
(Updated and bumped up from late night Saturday, and again from Sunday afternoon.)
It’s because I’m new and special!, PBO thinks, that Noriega omitted me from his rant! Today, at the Summit of the Americas, President Obama listened to “a 50-minute diatribe from socialist Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega that lashed out at a century of what he called terroristic U.S. aggression in Central America and included a rambling denunciation of the U.S.-imposed isolation of Cuba’s Communist government.”
Obama’s response? “I’m grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three 
months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We’ve all heard these arguments before.” (The inference is that, with him now at the helm, America’s no threat anymore! We won’t make Noriega, Chavez, Castro et al. hate America anymore! They’ll love us with ME in charge! Love conquers all! Especially with despots!)
Billy Ayers and Bernie Dohrn must be besides themselves with joy! “Didn’t we train him well! And all those frequent, long dinners with Rashid Khalidi helped too!” (They pump their fists in the air.) “Down with the superpower! All power to the people and despots! May the empire crumble!”
Earlier Saturday, I wrote “Hey Barack, Press Coverage Ain’t Respect,” and you all joined in with thoughtful comments on Obama’s lack of backbone and his representation of the United States as a weakening power on the world stage. Tonight, I finally got a chance to watch Greta’s Friday night show, and was astounded to hear this:
Furthermore, Greta and Gingrich point out that Obama’s past words don’t have ANY meaning. Obama sometimes talks tough, but there is no follow-through. What he said in February means nothing in April.
This is a “very shallow administration that follows very shallow policies.”
Amen, Speaker Gingrich.
Without requisite respect, and without a judiciously applied instillation of fear, we have no ability to influence world policies or to corral the actions of despots like Chavez and Kim Jong Il.
Obama doesn’t scare them, and they openly ridicule him. Jake Tapper made that clear in his piece that I quoted earlier, and which he has renamed “Chavez Gifts Obama With Book That Assails U.S. for Exploiting Latin America.” It’s a tragedy to see our status as the world’s superpower being systematically dismantled by an ignorant, self-aggrandizing weakling. (Then there’s that they know how well he was trained by Billy, Bernie, and Rashid. Ah, that is working so very well.)
I confess that I used to find crowds’ chant of “U.S.A., U.S.A.” to be superficial — as somewhat over-the-top patriotic theater.
But now I see it as U.S. citizens’ last-gasp cry to save our country, both internally and externally as a force to be reckoned with.
Gingrich says it. We are “frightened” by the mammoth debt with which Obama is saddling us and future generations. We are terrified that other nations and leaders are losing respect for the U.S. along with the appropriate modicum of fear that we STAND for something, and that we will ACT.
Hey, as a “Hillary Democrat,” I never thought I’d say I agree with Newt Gingrich but, dammit, the man is telling it like it is. And I wish every American could hear those critically important words.
Although she could never say it, I bet Hillary privately agrees with what Gingrich said. President Hillary Clinton would have never greeted Chavez with a s–t-eating grin and made a big deal out of being so warm towards him. (Billy Ayers and Bernie Dohrn must be lovin’ it though.)
Even CNN’s David Gergen said Obama’s smiles were too much.
And Hillary — I know it in my bones — would not have introduced a nearly $4 trillion budget at a time when our economy is in peril. Someone named A. and I exchanged e-mails tonight. I wrote to A:
I’m still worried about the economy. I think these positive signs are fake. Like Citibank’s numbers, which LD wrote about — it’s going up in the morning. And I’m convinced that Hillary wouldn’t have pushed so many big-ticket budget items while we are still in the midst of an economic crisis, and our tax revenues are going to be way down due to unemployment!
Then A. replied:
Re. Hillary: I have NO doubt she would have handled the budget and the spending differently. She would probably have gone ahead with the stimulus money but definitely would have NOT added the billions and billions to our debt PBO did in his budget. She would have been much more prudent and responsible with the spending. I also have NO doubt she would have behave very differently with Chavez, Kim Jong Il, Abdullah, etc. No question about it.
Someone posted these pictures: look at Hillary’s face: it says it all. No bull.
I feel she is carrying water for PBO and against her instincts in many issues like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc. She’d have certainly not gone around the world doing “The Apology Tour” PBO is doing. And I bet you she would have gotten the Europeans (Sarkozy and Merkel) to collaborate with her substantially on Af/Pak. After all these months since early June I keep on shaking my head over and over and over…
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Obama Endures Ortega Diatribe:
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad and Tobago — President Obama endured a 50-minute diatribe from socialist Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega that lashed out at a century of what he called terroristic U.S. aggression in Central America and included a rambling denunciation of the U.S.-imposed isolation of Cuba’s Communist government.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/18/obama-endures-ortega-diatribe/
Obama should be grateful Fidel Castro is too infirmed to attend He used to give four hour rants.
As someone so rightly said welcome to the Obama’s “We suck” tour, we sucked at the G20, now we suck at the Summit of the Americas.
To Obama the USA sucked when he was not in charge, so don’t blame him for all that has gone before. Get use to it guys “we suck” will be with us until 2012 hopefully.
Yup, you bet. Obama went on TWO “America Sucks” World Tours. Great, huh? Pissing on us globally. And there are people who support this hate filled jackass? Why?
I guess this is why I am so confused. Obama goes around the world telling the world how bad we are and there are still Americans that think Obama is the greatest man to ever win the office of President of America.
In another thread I asked what other world leader would do this to their country and I truly feel the answer is NONE. Why are Americans praising Obama while Obama is continually pissing on us.
Because the loony left hates America as much as Obama does. Look at the comments here about us “not being a superpower anymore” and what a “great” thing that is. WTF? So we should be happy to be completely disempowered to the rest of the world? Why? Isn’t that sort of wacky logic?
The far left hates America, so they think Obama is grand for pissing on us. Nothing is ever good enough; we’re warmonger pieces of shit who don’t spread our money around enough to the lower classes, and destroy the planet with our carbon footprints, etc. Nothing will ever make America “good” in the loony left’s eyes. Nothing.
Hello Susan,
How times have changed from the days I was a stalwart Clinton supporter who hated Newt and relished in his decline
That was then….
Now I can’t get enough of this prophet and his great understanding of American history and our place in the world
Newt is a rare phenomena…The left wing liberals will suffer greatly if he ever becomes president but those that are the producers and owners of business will certainly prosper.
I also was a stalwart Hillary support who hated Newt. What a difference a year makes.
Well I’m a Hillary supporter, McCain/Palin voter and I’m still not going to embrace Newt. While he may say a few things that make sense, when he was in charge there were a lot of witch hunts against Clinton. Both Parties are at fault. But That One, he is the culmination of someone’s dream, but not mine. If only SCOTUS would do their job. Where’s your BC, Barry. We’re still waiting.
correct.
Newt was the victim of the type of smear job that is now being applied to the Tea Party folks. Newt has ALWAYS been one of the most politically savvy and historically sharp individuals in recent times. Like it or not, he was the principle engineer of a movement in the 90’s that Clinton grudgingly went along with rather than run the risk of defying sound and productive principles. Welfare reform, balanced budgets, and a general governmental sea-change, were all foundational to the Contract for America. Just like Palin now, Newt then was a major threat to the left, so he became the focus, like Palin, of a nasty distortion campaign. Regretably, with Newt as well as Palin, such campaigns are quite effective and difficult to counteract. Once a public figure is made to appear toxic, their support rapidly evaporates, and sometimes never returns. I’ve never been given a solid or compelling reason for disliking Newt. It was always nothing more than defamitory propaganda that was only convincing at a jaded glance.
From the UK Telegraph March,2007
Newt Gingrich, the Republican who led efforts in Congress to impeach Bill Clinton over his involvement with Monica Lewinsky, has admitted he was having an affair at the time.
Mr Gingrich, who has not ruled himself out of the 2008 presidential race, said in an interview with the Christian group Focus on the Family: “The honest answer is yes. There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There’s certainly times when I’ve fallen short of God’s standards.”
Mr Gingrich “drew a line” in his mind and still won’t admit his hypocrisy. He wasn’t put under oath to answer questions about his affair, but he insisted Bill Clinton be put under oath knowing that he(Gingrich) had been carrying on a long term affair and later divorced his wife to marry his girlfriend.
BTW, Bill Clinton was discussing welfare reform in 1992, two years before Gingrich came up with the Contract With America (which never accomplished anything important because the Repub spent the next four years impeaching Clinton for a bj). Now Gingrich is taking total credit while the left wing of the Democratic Party is saying Clinton (not Gingrich) increased poverty in the US because he signed the bill. Dick Morris takes credit for everything good Clinton did and claims he warned Clinton about all the bad things. I guess everyone wants a piece of our former president even though his approval rating was better than ANY president in the last fifty years (INCLUDING REAGAN) when he left office.
His extra-marital activity has been widely reported previously but never admitted by the former house leader.
Mr Gingrich however argued that he should not be viewed as a hypocrite for pursuing Clinton’s infidelity.
“The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge,” the former Georgia congressman said. Clinton was impeached by Congress in December 1998 on perjury and obstruction of justice charges during an investigation into his relationship with Miss Lewinsky. He was acquitted at a Senate trial.
Mr Gingrich added: “I drew a line in my mind that said, ‘Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept…perjury in your highest officials.”
Gingrich, who frequently campaigned on family values issues, has married three times. His first wife claims he discussed divorce details while she was recovering from cancer surgery. His current spouse, Callista Bisek, is a former congressional aide more than 20 years his junior.
But Elise, OUR side said Clinton’s private life was nobody else’s business.
Shouldn’t the same principle be applied to Gingrich?
Consistency is the essence of credibility.
For the love of God, elise, I have seen the rants here about everyone should STFU about Clinton and his BS with Lewinsky. Guess what? CLINTON WAS THE PRESIDENT, Newt wasn’t. You apparently don’t hold the President to very high standards, and you also think Democrats have different rules than Republicans. Very sad. That kind of partisanship is why Obama’s in the White House. Thanks.
Thankyou Mary, I’ve grown weary pointing out Elise’s hypocrisy. She is quickly becoming the Queen of double standards, I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees it.
Definitely not the only one who sees it, Andrew.
Paula Jones suit against Clinton concerned sexual harassment. That charge is, by definition, personal. The affair about Lewinsky was lied about — and jobs and various bribes offered — to undermine Jones’s case. Whether or not Jones was funded by neocons, whether or not she had good motives, she was entitled to a fair trial.
While sex may be the salacious point hammered by the press, sexual harassment was the issue. Sexual harassment, and a fair trial.
But women’s rights went into the toilet during the last election, if not earlier. I don’t expect anyone, especially the press, to give a monkey’s about sexual harassment.
Oral sex is the level of the MSM.
Good points Anna, thanks for the details.
Isn’t it also considered a form of harassment or abuse when a person of sustantially greater power seduces someone of far less standing in the workplace?
One of the potentially more destructive aspects of the President having affairs (it’s NOT just about sex) is that it exposes him to extortion and manipulation. There is strong evidence that one of Kennedy’s many mistresses had ties with organized crime, we may never know the extent of the damage that may have caused. If the intellegence of a foriegn power knew about Lewinsky, isn’t there a very strong possibility that Clinton could have been at their mercy?
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/03/31/newt-gingrich-becomes-a-catholic-thus-complicating-his-next-div/
OK, fine, but whom did Mr. Gingrich have an affair with, was it not his staffer and did that not open up the government to a law suit? So, he later married her, but still, it could have gone the other way.
It is also no secret that Mr. Gingrich is lining himself up for a presidential run.
And if his mistress had pressed sexual harassment charges, and he was found to be buying off witnesses and perjuring himself to undermine her claim — he also would be subject to the law in the same way, and vulnerable to having his “personal life” fully exposed.
The fact that he married her isn’t a side issue. Her marrying him in itself would undermine any claims she wanted to make of sexual harassment.
Defending Gingrich? Is this what we’ve come to? Gingrich was spearheading the investigation of Clinton while having a 7 YEAR AFFAIR with the woman who’d later become his wife. This is the same Newt Gingrich who served his first wife with divorce papers on her cancer bed and trekked wife #2 all over creation while seeing another woman. He has a history of trading in for newer models, if you will. He is a repugnant, mean-spirited hypocrite. And by the way, he may have gotten girlfriend/wife #3 her lucrative committee job. And what’s this ridiculous excuse that “he wasn’t the president”? He wasn’t some random backbencher. Newt Gingrich was THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, second in the line of succession. Some of you need to stop rewriting history and remember those days for what they were. Unless of course you think that the Starr investigation and all the other endless, costly IC investigations of Clinton WH officials were a good use of government time and money. Then again, given some of the revisionist history going on in a few of the comment sections maybe some of you do.
Anna: The Paula Jones suit was dismissed (and by a female judge, no less). Lewinsky never accused Clinton of sexual harrassment. So what is your point?
Indeed, the same should be applied for the sake of logical consistency and dispel rumors of selective indignation. Besides, I will say again that it was Bob Barr who actually forced the issue. While Newt did not put the kibosh on it, he certainly “led” no charge. I have my problems with Newt but we see eye to eye on more issues than not.
Benjamin Franklin Berfle: What you write is factually incorrect. I covered that story and spoke to dozens of members of Congress from both parties about the behind-the-scenes machinations of the leadership. Many Republican members, particularly moderates, were coerced into voting “yes”. The Gingrich/Armey/DeLay machine threatened wavering members that they would pull funding for their campaigns or run challengers in their districts. Please get your facts straight. And while Bob Barr was certainly pushing for impeachment long before anyone heard the name Monica Lewinsky, he had neither the standing nor the power to push the investigation and vote forward.
Oh, right, but this guy was leading the charge against Bill Clinton all the while he was involved in an affair himself is over the TOP for me. Also, didn’t his wife have cancer? So, is Mr. Gingrich not to set the example of being loyal during ones family hardships? Instead he went out and had himself an affair while wagging his little finger at President Bill Clinton and America too!
He set the BAR…or rather LOWERED IT to new shameful levels, because what he did was worse than what Clinton did in my book.
Yep, Gringrich dumped his first wife while she was in the hospital getting cancer treatments. Left her for a younger woman, who he later also cheated on. Newt’s a sleaze, he has far less morals than Bill. Bill never blamed Hillary, he knew it was his problem, and admitted he has a sexual addiction- and went to therapy about it. Something Gingrich never did.
As for presidents who had affairs in the White House (Kennedy breaks the record, the Secret service was bringing in women on regular schedule) George Bush Sr. had an affair with a White House staffer, FDR’s lover lived in the White House, etc… You’ll find very few of our presidents were free of indulging in affairs- including while in the White House. Carter is one of the few that didn’t, and even he admitted he “had lust in his heart”.
Gingrich is still a hypocrite and a sleaze.
That may be, but that doesn’t make it against the law.
Perjury and sexual harassment are.
Try to keep your emotions out of this. It’s a legal issue, not an emotional one (except for the press, for whom everything now is a fever of emotion).
Mary, I’ve been thinking about your post and I have to disagree. This thread is about Newt Gingrich and his recent statement ( with which I happen to agree) about a third party, but I replied to what I consider misinformation about the true history of his tenure as speaker of the house. His decision to conduct an investigation of Pres. Clinton ended with nothing yet it continued for years. $100 million is a lot to spend investigating the private life of a president. It was malicious and, at the end, he paid a heavy price for his inexplicable obsession. His political career was over and he lost whatever respect people had when the truth came out. There was no stone left unturned. There has never been an investigation like it in the history of our country and perhaps the world. How many lives, I wonder, could survive that kind of scrutiny? Barack Obama? Almost certainly not. George Bush? Doubtful! And yet. And yet the Clintons still have to pay, don’t they? The First Lady was forced to testify in front of a Grand Jury and publicly humiliated over her husbands infidelity. Then she was blamed for not divorcing him? Since when do we have the right to question a personal decision or interpret it a derisive way? It was shameful and we all knew it. Since that time, Hillary has worked with Gingrich on health care reform and he turns around and calls her “ruthless” and “nasty”. IMO he is the ruthless and nasty one.
bravo.
Look, let’s be brutally frank, here. While I wouldn’t vote for Newt for dogcatcher (his hypocrisy and infidelity make me want to grab the air sick sack and upchuck!), let’s look at the Clinton “impeachment” dispassionately. The Lewinsky affair merely was the “red herring” which got Bill “off the hook” from much more serious (and fatal) charges! According to my own Washington connections, the only reason Clinton got off with only a “hand slap” was because the craven GOP didn’t have the intestinal fortitude (gonads) to face up to the Demorat Media Smear Machine and insist that a President who had been caught “dead to rights” in serious felonies be cashiered! Clinton was on the hook for at least 2 charges which more than covered the Constitutionally required “High Crimes and Misdemeanors”:
1) The House Prosecutors had iron clad evidence (according to the sources I had access to) that Clinton was what amounted to a serial rapist!
2) More seriously, was the equally iron clad evidence of his selling American military technology to the Red Chinese for illegal campaign contributions in what became known as the “Chinagate” scandal! This charge was (according to Article III, Section 3, of the U.S. Constitution), TREASON against the United States: a capital offense, with sentence usually carried out by either hanging or firing squad!
However, the GOP didn’t have the stomach to do their Constitutional duty, so they violated their own Oath of Office and Clinton was permitted to plead on a lesser charge and got away with it.
As a possible result of the pusillanimous and cowardly Congress (both Demorat and Republican), we demonstrated that even TREASON is permissible, so we now have a usurper as POTUS, who is Constitutionally ineligible to occupy the White House!
To paraphrase an earlier campaign slogan, it is NOT “…the Economy, stupid!”
“IT’S THE CONSTITUTION, STUPID!”
Had we been meticulously following our own Founding Documents, neither the Economy nor the Administration would ever have gotten into this abysmal state! BOTH political parties are responsible for this insanity, right up to their furry eyebrows! We desperately need a party composed of “iron rod” Constitutionalists, who will restore our Republic to it’s former robust health: throw all the bums out, of whatever political party!
Okay, Jim, WTF about selling the military technology to the Chinese? Are you SERIOUS? OMG.
Yes we need to go back to our beginnings and get some serious Constitutionalists and America lovers into another party and start over.
1. no comment. But, read about a year ago in Reuters that Jones and Flowers had teamed up to sell “MORE” story for a fee on a website; Guess their sugar daddy bankers have gone to seek a story else where.
2. wonder who would have been brought down along with Clinton for Chinagate. Wonder what happened to the Chinese Am. who’s case was dropped due to a “technicality” - and why.
Believing Chinagate would only involved Clinton and the Dems. is like believing Oswald was a lone gunman.
Show the evidence of which you speak
Jim: Nonsense. Those rumors (the rapes, the Chinese stuff) were circulating around Washington and flogged by the right-wing press ad nauseum and led absolutely nowhere. If the IC had found evidence of those accusations charges would have been brought.
If you do some reading on Dobson you will find out he held Gingrich and Lott in his palm. He controls 200 Christian radio stations and is the largest contributor to Repubs in the world. Dobson actually, with help from his then protege Bauer forced Gingrich and Lott into the position of inquisitor against the Clintons by with holding reelection funds for them. This is all documented in the archives of US News and World Report. You can look it up.
Dobson thought he could control everyone in the US at that time because of his influence. Clinton was a big target and Dobson scored at our expense. Hillary Clinton is clean, always was clean and always will be clean.
Elise, Clinton was using the Oval Office as his bordello, that is quite a different matter. Many politicians have affairs. How many Presidents entertain their floozies in the Oval Office?
How many times did we hear the phrase, “His private life is none of our business” regarding Clinton? That was always just a diversion though, an attempt to con people into believing the impeachment was only about sex. He was impeached for perjury in a grand jury, and he was disbarred in Arkansas by a judge that was a former student of his, for lying in the Paula Jones civil suit. As is quite often the case, the attempted cover-up is worse than the initial infraction.
Here’s somthing to think about; compare the direction of the economy while Newt was speaker with the economy while Pelosi has been speaker. Hmmmmm…
Bill Clinton was lucky to have the Republican Congress that balanced the budget. He got credit and now we got Pelosi the Pig. You are right andrew…The hypocrisy is ridiculous. Clinton broke the LAW but the left wants to give him a hall pass, while they assassinate Bush for everything down to their gum disease and hemorrhoids.
Paula, Bill Clinton vetoed so many Republican spending bills, he shut the government down three times. The people knew who to thank that’s why he was so popular even after he left office. Clinton was forced to testify about a BLOW JOB and he lied. The man who replaced Gingrich when he resigned because of his affair, Livingston, also had to resign as Speaker because he was involved in an extra martial affair. Bob Barr, the former Republican Rep who was on the front line in impeachment, didn’t run for re-election because it was revealed that not only did he have an affair during the impeachment, he paid for an abortion for his girlfriend and later married her. I am no longer a Democrat, people here on nq I have communicated with for over a year know that and they know I voted for John McCain. I don’t respond to vulgarity (ie your post below) and I’m not sure why your feel the necessity. I would just like to say, this is the true hypocrisy. Moral outrage is effectively canceled by vulgarity.
elise, we go round and round because of YOUR hypocrisy. Everything the Dems/Clintons do is fine, everything the right does is wrong. That’s kind of sad. As for “vulgarity” - I would say that particular ACT, committed by Bill Clinton, is the “vulgar” part of this. I just repeated the truth, something you clearly don’t like to hear.
As for Bill Clinton, let me say it again…I am American. The President is held to higher standards than others, and he represents us all over the world. He doesn’t get to BREAK THE LAW, something you clearly don’t have a concept of. If you read my feelings about this matter, having come from a long line of dignified people including lawyers, judges, etc. it is my OUTRAGE that Bill Clinton committed perjury and obstructed justice. Lie all you want, but too bad for you. Those are both against the law. Period.
Had Bill Clinton, when he got CAUGHT, been a MAN and apologized to AMERICA, admitted it, etc. then I can pretty much promise you it would have gone away on its own. It would have for me at least. Please grow up. Your condescending stuff about the right, and anyone expressing opinions against the left or the Clintons, is silly.
Paula Revere: Are you equally outraged about US torture policy, lying about WMDs, young people killed and maimed because of a lie…oh, but that would mean criticizing Bush and his minions.
DCMediagirl. Angry much?
Maybe you can stay on topic and address what we are discussing. If you want to start a conversation about Bush you can do it elsewhere. Bill Clinton’s affair has nothing to do with Bush. But thanks for playing.
Oh, excuse me. I didn’t realize you were the hall monitor. Permission to speak? You’re right - Bush’s lies and shredding of the Constitution and debasing America’s reputation in the world and Clinton’s affair aren’t even remotely comparable. We heartily agree. I also agree with your quote:
DCMediagirl…Have a drink.
PS you are proving everything that is wrong with the lefties. Clinton can break the law, Bush can’t. My point is that you have to hold all politicians up to the same scrutiny. You guys won’t do that. The left can violate human rights, break laws, whatever. But the right can’t. Talk about partisan. WTF?
The law Bill broke was lying about the encounter…not the encounter itself.
I don’t know…did Newt lie?
Annie, the real question is why he was ordered to testify about a sexual indiscretion while the very people making the demand were guilty of the same or worse behavior. Did Newt lie? To whom? His wife? His friends? His constituents? He wasn’t asked to testify under oath and what would he have said had he been forced to do so? Would he have admitted his affair or denied? The idea a president is somehow to be held to higher standards than those he represents is rationalization at it’s worst. He should be held accountable for the decisions he made as president that affect our lives, his policies and not his personal life. If this is not true, we must hold every elected official responsible for their behavior based on our own choices and morality. But what of the estimated 70% of married Americans who have had affairs? By whose standards will they be judged other than God’s? I will and have protested policy decisions of politicians from both parties and I wouldn’t refuse to support Newt because of his infidelity alone.
This is all speculative.
No one pressed a suit against Gingrich. Someone — Paula Jones — pressed a case against Clinton.
And in fact, when the testimony of other women came out, Clinton’s sexual approaches pretty much echoed Jones’s own testimony, and supported her claim.
It was not about a blow job — it was about the right to a fair trial.
Did the press exploit it? Yes. Was it ridiculously intrusive — yes, because Clinton kept lying about “that woman” and “is” had to be made more and more specific.
You’re being distracted by moral issues — which are valid, but weren’t the subject of the lawsuit.
You have to remember the really ugly attempts by Clintonian forces to rip apart Paula Jones — her reputation, her integrity, and her rights.
She may or may not have been a tool of rightwing forces — but she appears to have been telling the truth.
And I’m not a Gingrich fan, and I voted for Hillary.
Exactly. That’s the point, Elise.
I am a loyal Clinton fan…always was probably always will be. But…I was furious that he couldn’t control himself for the sake of his country, presidency, his family and us.
And, unfortunately, the attempts to sleaze Jones to defend Clinton — even by prominent feminists who considered her “trailer park trash” — was the beginning of the end of the feminist movement.
It merely became an arm of the left, rather than a defender of women who are being preyed upon.
andrew, the impeachment came about after years of investigation by Ken Starr and private conservative groups and at an expense of over $100mil. The only thing they found was semen on a dress and if you think that’s a good reason to put a president under oath while questions of torture, outing a CIA agent and lying about WMDs are not good reasons, I believe you are rationalizing the unreasonable. Newt Gingrich continued to send pork barrel legislation to the White House and Bill Clinton kept vetoing it. Read history, don’t revise it. BTW I despise Pelosi and Reid, which you surely know by now.
You believe I’M rationalizing the unreasonable??? Good grief! While you’re where you are, please describe weightlessness for me, Ive always wanted to know what that’s like, ya space cadet.
Andrew..reread your facts. You are not correct. Clinton made a mistake or seven..So did both Bushes and so did Newt..all of those mistakes stink as far as any man being a ‘role’ model. I agree.
The ‘impeachment’ was orchestrated by a few men and failed because there were no impeachable offenses-rule of law.
As for BO and his baloney..he has lied at every opportunity and laughs at you and flips you off while he lies. His wife actually was disbarred in Illinois for her illicit involvement in an insurance fraud.
So read up or give it up.
lee…EXACTLY. What a disgrace and what a bigger disgrace that the lefties are such frigging HYPOCRITES about it. They also tarred and feathered McCain about his first wife. But Willie boy can shove cigars in White House interns in the White House. Ughhhh….
I guess we will agree to disagree Lee, and Paula Revere. It is ridiculous that the right spent what seemed like every waking moment trying to discredit Bill Clinton. They brought Ken Starr in, to spend a lot of our money, to find nothing!!!! It may be fair to say that the stupid reaction of the left to the right’s stupid reaction to Clinton, is what gave us the lame, no nothing Obama. Going after a President for having affairs does not help the country. Times were very good under President Clinton, and you have to give him credit for that. To say the Republicans are the reason the times were so good is not fair because Clinton obviously had a lot to do with it. I see how you have failed to mention how the Republican President, and Republican congress from 2001-2005, had something to do with the mess we are in now.
Sorry, but you are getting what I said wrong. I just want you Dems to once and for all get over the hypocrisy. Really, the GOP hate and the denial of your own party’s disaster is ridiculous. Most notably, you brought us Obama. And your party screwed Hillary. And your party committed the destruction of this country with Fannie and Freddie. So, let’s don’t lay all of the ills of the world at the GOP’s feet. That’s bullshit. And, again, the worst thing to EVER happen to this country is OBAMA. Period. He’s literally the most dangerous thing in our history. Thanks for that Dems. And you want to make everything about the GOP? ROFLMAO. Nice try.
I never said that it was all the GOP’s fault-you are the one who is ignoring what Bush’s policies did to this country. If you can see that Obama’s policies are bad, but you can’t see that Bush’s policies were bad and caused a lot of problems too, then you are just being a blind Republican.
I’m not ignoring Bush’s policies…where the hell do you get that? Because I don’t spend my days bashing him? Yawn. Waste of time. I have never spoken fondly of Bush here, but you people think we “dirty Republicans” love him. For the 1,000th time, I didn’t vote for him and he’s gone. I am completely heartbroken and sad about the DNC shenanigans with Hillary, and the CURRENT SADministration’s destruction of this country. I’m sorry if I find it productive to be concerned about my future and my safety. I don’t feel safe now, I did under Bush, regardless I don’t want to die.
Just want to ask a little question lee, If Pres. Clinton had rented a motel room or visited a woman in her home, do you believe it would have been necessary to put him under oath and question him? If we give a pass to all the politicians who have had illicit sex while in office, should we then refuse to allow them to run for president or do they receive retro active immunity?
elise…he got caught and he lied. It’s a problem. I don’t know what part of “against the law” you are having a hard time with. Bill is an adult, and was the President. Actions have consequences, which is something we tell our five year old children. Apparently he, like you, thinks that the President should be allowed to break laws and disappoint the people in this country who DO have morals.
You seem to forget elise, that the lefties in this country are not the only people. It’s not just your country. There are millions of hardworking Americans who have issues with adultery, and I am sure were very let down by what Bill did. It’s not your place, and none of your business, if people consider morality to be a good thing.
That said, you keep going back to the act which was, yes, despicable, considering the statement of mine that you found “vulgar” when all I did was repeat exactly what was done. But that’s not the point. Some people think the White House is a special edifice to be treated with dignity and respect. You clearly don’t. We do. Ronald Reagan never took his suit jacket off in the Oval Office, out of respect. That’s a far cry from actually having sexual relations, involving inanimate objects, with a White House intern in the Oval Office. Frankly I find it disgusting, but my issue is more about breaking the law. Period.
-he got caught-
Hunt for something long enough, and you will find it, but along the way set-up a Linda Tripp to prey on the young Monica emotive confessions. Despicable gutter conduct on the part of the right.
While doing my studies during that era, I read journal entry after journal entry from think tanks and foundations on the external threats of terrorism the US could be a target of, yet when reading the press all that the right and the MSM focused on was Clinton and whitewater, Clinton and Foster suicide, Clinton and filegate, Clinton and Paula Jones, Clinton and Jennifer Flowers, Clinton and Monica and Newt and Tripp and Starr…..and then 9-11 happened. F*ing a’s…..not only did the right wing opposition not do the job for which they were elected to do, they hindered the president from focusing what matter in the interest of this nation. And now they still say….but he lied…Oh my God, nothing learned.
He got caught. Doesn’t matter how or why. He did. And then he lied. If you want to have a separate conversation about right hate, fine. But none of this would have happened had Bill not done it to himself. The left seems to think that personal responsibility is a foreign notion. He wouldn’t have been in the place he was had he been more discreet, and not lied. There’s no more story to it.
Why do you connect all of your rants about the right to one single episode? Assuming that anyone who doesn’t like the President to break the law is then a right wing, cross burning, Bush loving, freeper. WTF is that about? Pretty big stretch IMO.
Can’t you look at anyone objectively? When your kids screw up, you love them, but you admit they did wrong. So WTF? Cop to Bill being wrong, stop excusing it, and everyone will move on.
But that’s my point, I don’t think Bill did anything wrong. I think the right was a prurient, sick, pathological bunch hell bent on not letting a moderate Dem. govern. He lied about what, like Elise stated, a BLOW JOB, not a state secret, not a classified file, a friggin blow job that was really no one’s sick business. And all the while the enemies of America were plotting against it. But, the right wingers had to hunt for “something”, anything, on which to try to bring their president down. I repeat shameful and despicable.
rw…Maybe you think a married man, the President of the United States, getting a blow job in the Oval Office is cool. Good for you. You people are so blind in your hate of the right that you can’t understand what normal, decent citizens like ME feel about it. Without having ANYTHING GODDAMNED TO DO WITH FRIGGING PARTY…HE BROKE THE LAW. At that time, I wasn’t even a registered voter and didn’t care. The ONLY point I have made is that he BROKE THE LAW and he CAN’T DO THAT AS THE PRESIDENT. What part of that has to do with the right hate? I like Bill and I went way out of my way to help Hillary. But I can’t be blind about any candidate. When one screws up, I will say it. Now I have a bunch of nuts attacking me because I want the President to OBEY THE DAMNED LAWS OF THE COUNTRY HE REPRESENTS.
So, let’s say it again…the hummer? Well, kind of classless what he did and with whom. But oh well. The PERJURY wasn’t good. Why can’t you people accept that he could have handled it better? He would have probably blown the wind out of the right’s sails by just using his Clinton charm, apologizing, copping to it and MOVING ON. No one cares about the frigging BLOW JOB. They care that he lied. Period.
Paula, I did not say it was or is cool. I am saying it is none of our business. I look at what a politician is doing politically…and personally only when there is a crime.
I accept the final point you make, he could have handled it differently. But remember, it was one attack after another most of it on the “personal” …that to me is sick beyond words, and never forgivable. Bill Clinton was DEMOCRATICALLY elected, and if people in this country believe in democracy, why the witch hunt of their president for 8 years.
rw…I think when you are President you have to know that you’re going to get caught. They all do and did. I have never defended how the right or left handled the Clinton situation. To be honest, I really wasn’t paying much attention to it. I just remember liking Bill a lot, and my mother having a wild crush on him. I was a little let down myself that he didn’t “man up” and handle it with honor. I always think of how my father would handle a situation, to see what would be “right.” I think my Dad would have copped to it and just hoped for forgiveness. Americans are wonderful people with warm hearts. I truly believe they would have let it go.
I will say this, I almost regret that I got involved in all of this stuff. I was pretty much one of the Obots before Hillary. Didn’t vote all the time, didn’t really care. Now, the stuff I see on both sides kind of makes me sick. I don’t remember the witch hunt, but thanks for understanding what I am trying to say here. It’s really odd to keep getting attacked for something you never said or meant.
-Now, the stuff I see on both sides kind of makes me sick.-
We need more parties. I had hoped that the Clintons with mod. reps. (McCain ?) would have formed a third party this last election. Oh well. But I would never, never, ever, ever, ever vote for a Newt.
I don’t even know what to do anymore. I just know this Obama thing has to stop and no more like him ever. I would love a third party, but someone was saying that wouldn’t work either. I had this weird hope during this past mess that somehow Hillary and McCain would work together. I saw the mutual respect and thought they would be great for the country. The party system is really bugging me. WTF do we do?
Why wouldn’t a third party work, not as if hasn’t happened before.
Problem is that the media does not give the respect and air time to third parties that they should. Then there are power structures of the Dems. and the Reps….like in 2004 the Dems. suing to keep Nader off ballots. Nice job for a party that calls itself the “Democratic” Party.
Get enough money behind a third party and it will happen. In politics, money is power and the name of the game is votes.
Someone was saying that you would screw it up by taking votes away from the GOP or something? I can’t remember, but it was posted last night here.
I wonder if anyone will be able to raise the same money that the Fraud did. That could be a big problem.
I hope the MSM drops dead. They did us in with Obama, and no I don’t think they would support the third party either.
You guys just don’t get it, do you?
The right may have been sleazy, but so was the left.
It was about Paula Jones. She claimed sexual harassment. Clinton team said she was lying. Apparently she wasn’t.
Lewinsky’s testimony was merely corroborating a history of harassment and inappropriateness.
You guys just don’t get it, do you?
The right may have been sleazy, but so was the left.
It was about Paula Jones.-
No, “you guys” don’t get it. It’s about the left being sleazy and the equally sleazy right hypocritically trying to take the high road and sanctimoniously saying, WE are the ones with morals and ethics.
Elise, I can see that what I was trying to get across went right over your head.
There was no bigger supporter of Bill Clinton than myself and I worked my heart out to help get him elected.
It was his disrespect for the Oval Office that got to me. I don’t care how many interns he “didn’t have sex with”, I only care that he was elected to the hightest office in the world and he disrespected the Oval Office by his shinanigans and disgusting behavior.
Thank you, Elise, for the post. Americans have either soft backbones for their foes or have short and selective memories or nano second attention spans.
Newt Gingrich went on a moral inquisition while carrying on an affair with a “STAFFER” who was decades younger while his wife was in cancer treatment, all the while diverting the attention of the president away from f*ing real issues that dealt with the economy and foreign threats.
He showed me his family values when he did that to his wife, during his families hardship, he dropped the ball and did it harm. If you can’t stand by your family during troubled times, I doubt you can stand by your fellow Americans. And no I wouldn’t want him in a fox hole with me!
Our country is being flushed down the toilet. Who cares about affairs. Maybe at another time but not now. We have a President who hates this country. And he is purposely destroying it! Concerning ourselves with affairs helped get us into this mess.
Thank you, Elise. I said something about Gingrich upthread. Gingrich is no hero in my book. He’s just another politician who couldn’t stop witch hunting Bill Clinton and do his own job - this despite the fact he was having an affair himself. Just another hypocrite. Frankly, I don’t care what the man says. Both Parties are at fault for this mess, and elevating Gingrich into hero material at this point in our history, is disengenuous, to say the least. The only political heroes I have left at this point in my life are the Clintons and Sarah Palin. While Palin and I differ in idealogies, she at least walks the walk. Gingrich like Morris loves to point fingers.
Still, I would like to see That One being marched out of the WH in an orange jumpsuit, followed by his wife.
We will all suffer if Newt the Toad becomes president. How many dying wives do you have to divorce before your credibility as a compassionate conservative gets tainted? That said, he is right about Obama, but being right about something millions of us were right about, doesn’t qualify you to be President (unless you are Barack Obama)>
I agree. I like to listen to Newt because he often has brilliant things to say and I, to my surprise, have found myself in agreement with him on basic issues. That being said, I wouldn’t want him running the government. I’ve had enough of ideologues from both parties to last me a lifetime.
Not to mention not supporting your wife and 2 girls so they church had to take up a collection and said he should step up, instead he left the church. Was his 2nd wife the one he called on Mothers Day to say I want a divorce and had been having an affair with his 3rd wife the staffer 20 years younger than him. since before he married the 2nd?
Also wasn’t he reprimanded as Speaker, for tax fraud, lieing, obstructing the investigation ect that he pled down on? I don’t remember all the details?
I don’t think Newt is the answer to our Countries problem.
Newt has been making a lot of sense for quite some time. During the GE I was quite impressed with him every time he was on Hannity. I’m so sad we have to be saddled with this albatross (sorry to insult an albatross).
Newt is awesome. If he weren’t a Republican he would be a genius to everyone here. I love what he says about the Fraud. He’s 100% right on the money, without being subjective, partisan or abusive. We should all listen to him and be very scared. It’s not like we haven’t been warned about how dangerous to this country the Fraud is. And we should all take some kind of action against this insanity.
He is not in the thick of things anymore, so he can speak his mind without constraints. I am sure there are things with 20/20 hindsight that people wish they may have done differently. I know that Clinton has spoken of things he wished he had done differently. I wish you would stop trying to rewrite history. Not everything Newt did in the past was good or bad, just like Clinton. I believe Hillary would have brought a lot of wisdom to the Presidency because of the things that were learned during the Presidency of her husband. There are many former Democrats here who are looking at everyone with a relatively open mind. Are you, or are you stuck in the past with the Republican-good, Democrat-bad mindset?
LOL…No, I really don’t care about party. But it’s you guys who hate the GOP so much. I shouldn’t have admitted to registering GOP a year ago, which I did because of the Hillary mess. I think both parties need some help. But I certainly would never be proud to be a Dem with what’s happening now. I will vote Republican next time because I hate what the left is doing to the country now. I have NEVER said “Republican-good, Democrat-bad” ever on this blog. But all I ever hear around here is that the world is wrong because of the GOP. So I respond.
Somewhat agree. I had been a registered democrat from 1964 until May 31, 2008. Decided then that I would never belong to a “party” or support a “party”. I certainly do not like what the far left is doing to this country (I still think there are a few good democrats out there — maybe not many, but a few) and I did not like much of what the far right, neo-con faction, did the past 8 years either.
It might be that I do vote a straight party ticket in the future but it will be based on my analysis of each individual candidate not his/her “party” affiliation.
I have a lot of sadness and empathy for the Democrats who feel “lost” because of what has happened. My best friend is one of them. She hates Obama, campaigned hard for Hillary, saw the theft of the nomination, etc. and immediately registered Independent. But I can tell that, as a life long Democrat, this is very troubling to her. She won’t go back, or vote for another Democrat, until the party is douched of people like the lunatics who are trashing America in Congress and the White House. But she’s sad, really sad. I hadn’t realized until now how large a part of people’s lives their parties are to them. I get it now, and I feel for the disenfranchised people who watched their party literally implode.
aula, your description of your friend reminds me of myself. For over 30 years I was a died in the wool Democrat. I worked my butt off for the candidate of my choice and for the party. This last election cycle has taken a piece of my soul that I will never get over losing.
I am one of the ones who left the party on May 31, 2008 abd have never looked back. It was like losing a loved relative. Unless you have walked in our shoes, you’d never know what a gut-wrenching it has been.
Now to see what this usurper is doing to our country it is almost more than I can bear, and while I was standing in the rain on April 15 I met a lot of people just like me. We won’t give up. We’ll keep going, but no more political party for me. My only goal for a candidate is whether he/she is a true American or just another bag of hot air.
Lee, yeah I know how you people feel. Actually, I have never seen so many angry Americans in my life. I sympathize with you guys, but I am so angry at the Dems for bringing Obama to the party. I can’t get past it. What the hell were they thinking? This is beyond outrageous. Both parties have left people full of anger and rage. I think that April 15th was a big hint that America will always be bigger than party.
I like Newt now, but didn’t then. So what? Times
change and he makes sense. I think he became weak
and moderate when he was in office and that caused
him to be ineffectual and so he’s gone.
I like what Dick Morris has to say too and didn’t like his personal life either, but I’m not personally affected just like Clinton’s and Gingrich’s affairs. They are disgusting personally
in their relationships, but politically speaking,
pretty smart guys.
Barry Soetoro is going to get US all killed.
I am scared. Really.
Yes, j.b., I believe you are right. We blog and complain all day about him, but truth be told we should be very seriously scared about what he is doing. He is setting this country up for a major attack and he’s completely ill suited to manage it when it happens.
Amazing how comfortable he is with people who support terrorism, isn’t it?
I’m scared, too. On the money front and the terrorist front. Had people known about the 9/11 plot and tried to tell people, no one would have believed them. Now, I really would not be surprised if Obama assisted in bringing on an attack here. Sound crazy? Well, crazy things do happen. Obama is not a nice person and he does not care about America or Americans. Why would you want to become the President of a country you despise?????
Why would you want to become president of a country you despise? Answer: to destroy it.
EXACTLY PumaforLife…Plain and simple. He hates us and he’s enjoying destroying us. Period.
What I’m really concerned about is this: remember Biden’s comment about how in the first six monthes something will happen to test Obama and we will all be upset with what he does but just stick with us, etc.
Well, what he seems to be doing is setting us up for another attach of some kind and what he is going to do is NOTHING.
PumaForLife…I think about it every day and have to take Lunesta to sleep. Obama makes me puke. He’s so dangerous and we might not survive his BS “Gird Your Loins” nightmare.
“Why would you want to become the President of a country you despise?????”
Maybe to bring it to its knees! Maybe to carry out idealogies you learned as a youth! Maybe to bring our country into the fold of his all-caring, all-love god! Maybe to just vent his hatred in a very sick way (sort of like that guy back in the 1930s)!
One of the reasons I don’t fear another 9/11 type of attack. He’s telling/showing our enemies not to worry. He’s going to do their work for them from the inside out…as he emigrates the Palestinian and other Islamic terror cells. He will marginalize the wealthy and middle class along the way to get rid of opposition. The faithful will be promised the spoils. And believe me, the greedy left will be lined up to become the socialist elite class…even communists have the privileged faithful, Comrade.
You are so right Annie. In the Soviet Union, which we will soon look like, the elite had caviar and wealth beyond imagination. Pig Pelosi isn’t giving up her jet any time soon. Very sad about the Fraud and no one stopping him (yet).
Neither Pelosi, Feinstein or Boxer will lose any of their wealth…all multi-millionaires if not billionaires.
Panetta the same. Very wealthy. I notice that the speakers the Panetta Institute (now run by his wife) used to guest and be shown on public access channels are now on PBS. Bill’s appearance (back in 03?) is the last ticket I will ever buy from them.
With all due respect, that’s looney toons talk. Do you have any proof he is emigrating Palestinian terror cells into the country to commit acts of violence against American citizens (other than just your active imagination)? And for the record, Palestinians DO NOT EQUAL terror cells.
Reminds me of the people in the 1930’s who claimed FDR was a puppet of the Lennon/Stalin regime in the USSR. Ridiculous!
Reasonable people can agree or disagree on whether PBO’s actions or policies are helping or hurting the country. I happen to think he has done an OK job to date, but I will listen to alternative viewpoints.
On this issue, I think Susan and Larry are right when they say the POTUS needs to represent America in a strong manner, and cannot look weak around lowly dictators and thugs.
But inviting in Islamic terror cells? LMAO! I’m sure Hillary, Rahm, Gates, Biden, Gen. Jim Jones and others would just stand idly by and let that happen, right?
Please take that extremist looney wing-nut talk back to WND where it belongs.
Here you go Johnny Boy:
Obama funds $20M tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA
This is the news that didn’t make the headlines…
By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza . The “presidential determination” which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.
Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.
A review of Barack Obama’s most recent actions since he was inaugurated:
His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.
His first one-on-one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.
He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.
He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.
He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11.
Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense.
Add on that he bows down to the Saudi’s (BTW I didn’t like Bush holding hands and playing kissy kiss to the very people who attacked up either) and his new BFF is Chavez.
To verify for yourself: http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488
Annie, all great information, thanks. And it’s really scary where we are seeing the Fraud’s loyalties. They sure aren’t to America and Americans. And WTF anyway about US paying for this BS?
Johnny is a troll who probably doesn’t pay taxes, or understand why this is all so terrifying and disgusting.
make that “us”.
Anne- Did you actually read the link you posted? If you had, it indicates Obama signed an executive order, addressed to the SOS Hillary Clinton, directing we provide $20.3 million dollars in refugee aid and migration needs to Gaza. Where do you get from that “hundreds of thousands” of Palestinians with Hamas ties will flood into the US? Is Hillary in on bringing Hamas terrorist into the US too? The order is directed to her after all. Wouldn’t she have a constitutional duty to block this order?
Simple math should tell you 20.3 million dollars is not even close to being enough money to bring “hundreds of thousands” of refugees to resettle in the US. Bet Hannity didn’t tell you that, did he? But more importantly, the link you provided does NOT say what you assert.
Like I said, reasonable people can disagree. But when you put out such ridiculous misinformation, and turn refugee aid into some nefarious scheme by Obama and Hillary to flood the country with terrorists, you only serve to discredit anti-Obama forces who btw, have some very legitimate concerns and criticisms.
I compliment you on your imaginative post though.
How many Hamas Palestinian’s do you think 20.3 million would cover? 19? Enough to bring down a couple of tall buildings? Enough for a few cells? I admit though, it is easier just for them to slip across the southern border.
And where did you imagine that the order originated with HRC?
Cut and paste from the document YOU provided as “proof” Obama is bringing “hundreds of thousands” of Hamas to commit acts of terrorism in our country.
Presidential Determination No. 2009-15 of January 27, 2009
Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related To Gaza
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the “Act”), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
(Presidential Sig.)
THE WHITE HOUSE,
Washington, January 27, 2009
[FR Doc. E9-2488
Filed 2-3-09; 8:45 am]
Billing code 4710-10-P
As you can see, it is clearly addressed to HRC. Care to try again, Martha?
I know you believe that Hamas is like the Red Cross and that all Palestinians are super fine folks, so victimized. I don’t happen to. According to the open borders immigration they are proposing for this year, the initial migration of Palestinians will open the door to all their families, will give them aid, citizenship, etc. Why do you waste your time wishing for these things to come about? Hundreds of thousands is not an over the top estimate, trollie.
So, Johnny, from which produce truck did you just fall? BB already had dibs on the turnip truck. Perhaps yours was the rutabaga truck. Do let us know and be sure to get that bump on your noggin checked, y’ hear?
Buh-bye
Yes and in the meantime, the Fed is spending billions upon billions with NO OVERSIGHT!!! So either we will be blasted away or in servitude for generations, take your pick.
Support HR 1207 to audit the Fed. Call your House rep. Transparency and accountability are completely non-partisan concepts.
Well I sure hope Newt is right about Obama getting rid of the conscience clause. I doubt it, given Obama’s cowtowing to “faith based” organizations, but it needs to happen. People who aren’t willing to perform legal procedurs and fill legal prescriptions need to find another line of work.
You can’t get around the fact that these people believe that they are committing murder. Nobody should be forced to go against their conscious. However, they should advertised this upfront so that people know what they can expect from them.
No Dr. should have to perform an abortion if they feel it is against their beliefs. I agree w other comment, they should just make it known to patients they won’t do them.
And yet what do you say about those who torchered other human beings on orders from Bush Cheney? Do you wish they would have said no and spoken out? What about whistle blowers? What if Congress passes a law ordering us to kill anyone who looks like you on sight, will you care then?
There are medical specialities other than ob-gyn for doctors whose religious beliefs forbid them from performing abortions. If they don’t want to do them, then don’t make the choice to practice in an area of medicine where it could come up.
What you just said is sick. How can you expect someone who doesn’t believe abortion is a blessing, to go against their faith and just do it. I have been a Dem my whole life but I don’t support abortion, and I don’t expect a good outcome from someone forced to perform one.
Then don’t become a doctor or a phamacist. Go into another line of work. I hope the conscience clause is repealed.
I’m not trying to start anything. I was a very early supporter of HRC though, I admit, her actions leading up to and including the convention and since have given me pause. Let’s just say, I’m certainly far from an “opponent” of Hillary Clinton.
However, I do find it interesting that a thread seems to be emerging, that HRC is somehow vastly different from our Supreme Leader (his preferred title, which they haven’t rolled out just yet) philosophically but is being the “good soldier” and soldiering on despite her better sense and more central politics.
We used to wonder and question the ties our Supreme Leader had to the politics and teachings of Saul Alinsky. We’ve also wondered (rightfully) why no one is allowed to see our Supreme Leader’s senior thesis (assuming he even wrote one, though everyone else did). What I personally have wondered goes further than that: Why are we not even allowed to know the title or subject of his thesis? That is beyond suspicious. It’s not a “red” flag; it’s an entire marching band of blaring trumpets saying, “look under the bed, for Christsakes!!”
But, him aside. The one person we know who DID write their senior thesis about Saul Alinsky is…..
yes, Hillary Clinton.
I’d be careful before casting her as the unwilling or unwitting accomplice in this morality play.
Let’s just let it play out and assign motives as they are justified by fact and action.
I, for one, am reserving judgment (on her, not on the Smile in Chief — the only transparency he has introduced into government is himself).
Of course you are trying to start something indiedogg, but that’s ok because it’s what people do on this blog. And there’s usually someone happy to oblige, like me. There’s always a tip off and in this case it’s your reference to Hillary’s thesis, called the Rosetta Stone by the Republicans in the 1990s when they were trying to get rid of HIll and Bill. When it was made available, it didn’t fall like the stone some hoped, but with a thud. Hillary accepted an internship with Alinsky while writing her thesis and he offered her a job when she graduated. She rejected the offer and her thesis rejected his methods. She was not a “community organizer”. It really doesn’t matter if you supported her. People of every different political persuasion comment here, including some former Ron Paul supporters. I’m just saying many of us made phone calls, donated the max, listened to all of her speeches and suffered abuse from the left and right because of our support and, speaking for myself, i can’t imagine exhuming a Republican screed from fifteen years ago to cast doubt on the job she is doing as SoS.
Thank you, Elise.
Yes, thank you Elise.
Again, I thank you Elise.
My answer to Indiedogg…Hillary might be as far to the left as some of those nuts who are destroying us. I don’t know if I would have voted for her. I hadn’t made up my mind and then I got stuck with the Fraud. That said, I truly believe (actually I know) that part of the reason the loony left committed all the fraud and stole her nomination is that she WOULDN’T go along with the people who own Obama and are tearing this country down. Hillary loves this country, we know what. Obama doesn’t and he doesn’t give a damn what happens to us. He can go live elsewhere when we’re gone, and write his memoirs. So, I don’t agree that Hillary would have been as bad. I am not a moonbat, so I couldn’t support all of the radical leftie crap. But I would sleep at night if she were the one getting the 3 am call. I don’t sleep so well now.
No, she would not have done what he is doing. I would rest easier with her as President at the moment, too.
Would like to point out that in some instances a student is influenced on the topic of the papers they write as a student by an academic advisor.
Read the thesis..you are useless
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It is beyond amazing how Obama’s papers are absolutely forbidden to the public.
I guess, for lack of thought concerning a better metaphor, Hitler wouldn’t want Mein Kamph in the public sphere nowadays, even as he led the nation.
Why are they hiding sdomething ? Because of course what they hide would otherwise destroy them.
Same reason Wright was thrown under the bus, and since it was a democrat, that was good enough. For a republican, that would have been the end, even as the bus wheels drove over the corpse.
I have no faith at all in the media or the government now, which is quite astounding, since I used to be a believer.
I just cannot condone the secrecy. We have some really bad people, whom if we knew who they really are, would not be there. Much like Hitler, in the samne way, of course.
So when we get someone who doesn’t have a secret history again, let me know. You won’t ever be letting me know, by the looks of it.
I am beginning to think Barry never even wrote any papers.
His only papers are the ones use to roll up a quaint plant native to the Americas that gives one a sense of euphoria. Oh and he also smokes tobacco with them.
Some might even go so far as to question whether he actually attending any instution of higher learning or whether he received the degrees claimed.
Susan, your posts have always reflected my opinions and reaffirmed my personal beliefs, but though I agree with the Gingrich comments over all, I don’t think he has the moral high ground. He has nothing to lose since his political career is over except for rendering opinions on FOX and speeches to conservative groups Is he speaking in favor of a third party or is he issuing a warning to the Republican Party? There is an element in the Tea Parties they might be trying to tap into and benefit from, but I hope they don’t succeed. If the protests don’t remain a pure expression of outrage over spending and bailouts, they will not gain the support needed to bring real change to Washington.
To supplement your comment…..
If the left-wing Democratic reaction to the tea parties don’t remain focused on issues, and remain in the “teabagging” and “racist” realm in a pure expression of 8th grade “cook kids in the cafeteria” realm, more and more Americans will turn away from the Olbermans and the Maddows and will JOIN the protests to “bring real change to Washington.”
And hopefully, MSNBC will go bankrupt.
Due respect.
I agree completely, Mary.
elise, one more time…Republicans are indeed allowed to share the planet with you. They are allowed to eat, breath, drink the water, etc. that all Americans are. They are also welcome at the Tea Parties and them being there does not end up being the zit on their ass that you think it is. Good God.
If there weren’t Republicans there wouldn’t be anyone in the military to fight for freedom to voice opinions, no matter how illogical they may be. I very much doubt the military is comprised of many liberals.
So while Republicans/conservatives get trashed, liberals need to remember those are the Capitalists that provide them with a job, health insurance, 401k and pension contributions and also have faith in a higher power. That along with courage and a backbone to stand up for what is right is what has made the United States of America what it is.
Paula, that is not what Elise was saying.
I guess I found an answer.
USA below 3% generally
http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/inflation_rate_(consumer_prices).html
Venezuela below 30% or 20% generally
http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/inflation_rate_(consumer_prices).html
I’m not certain there is enough oil money or check routing capability in Venezuela to cover 20 to 30 percent inflation for the general populace - it must be a nightmare for the poor.
We know the numbers are lower than is generally true for the lowr economic fifths, but the same calculators show quite a difference - one said to be nearly unbearable in the USA - it ten times as bad in Venezuela.
There is no chance I can believe Chavez was good for the poor, unless someone shows me he issues stimulus checks to every poor person every single month, that are equal to and increasingly greater than social security payments that 10% here live on.
I kinda doubt he does that, but anyone who can prove it to me - why that would be nice to know people aren’t crushed and starving there.
I would think they need a police state there to hold that kind of crushing inflation together.
I sure hope we aren’t headed for that.
Sorry, somehow I got this into the wrong thread.
We are looking at a Palin/Gingrich ticket in 2012.
What do you want to bet?
I should add that I saw Obama’s candidacy as early as 2002. (Though I thought he would run with Clinton.)
I doubt HRC would have had him on the ticket had she won. He didn’t do the requisite work to earn such a position.
Hillary would’ve been forced to take him because he is black. AAs would have threatened to stay home or vote for McCain out of spite.
Obama is like Carter on Steroids. He is college professor trying to be liked by everyone in the world who supports his “God Damn America” sermons of 20 years that he choose to sit and listen to.
2 Thessalonians 2 is good reading for you. That is what is happening.
Trojan Horse!
“Despite Major Plans, Obama Taking Softer Stands”, or
“Despite Campaign Promises, Obama Wimping Out”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/us/politics/19lobby.html?_r=1&hp
Where is the fight?
“It’s hard to think of a place where he’s taken a really hard position.”
A quote from Leonard Burman in the article:
Gee, where have I heard this before? I have it on the tip of tongue… oh, NQ, of course. Gee, Burman is a year late and several hundreds of billions of dollars short. And he’s getting paid good money to be a gullible fool.
I should make it clear that the second title in quotes is mine, not the nyt writers.
I don’t know that much about Gingrich’s personal life but he is intelligent and logical. However, if he has a sorted past, he will get burned at the stake if he tries to run for office. Palin got tarred and feathered just for being a Christian.
I don’t see a Gingrich/Palin ticket myself, jmo….I don’t think Palin is ready for it either. She needs more experience. I highly respect her and what she has done w Alaska. I just think some exposure in the federal arena like a Senator would be great experience for her first.
I agree w Gingrich, the left is scared shitless that is why they are acting even kookier than normal.
Obama can kiss ass to all these foreign leaders but they are no doubt snickering behind his back at what a wuss he is. Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world with no violence however it’s not realistic. There will always be evil people like Chavez, Castro, Bin Laden, Hitler etc. The only way to eradicate society of this evil is with force. Gumdrops and lollipops won’t do it.
As for Hillary, I am disappointed that she took the SOS job after the shitty way BO treated her during the primary. Apparently power and prestige was more important to her than values. Whether she agrees w BO policy or not, she is obligated to follow it as she is under his command.
Wodjei…Exactly!!
Oh and thanks for the kind words on another thread…
Not only the look on Hillary’s face, but her body language is commanding his attention. She has her eyes locked on him. She is facing him fully- front on- but maintaining distance. She reached out to touch his arm to get his attention, but didn’t lower her posture in the least bit. She is restaining his arm while he has his hands “tied up” in front of him. She was in control. We don’t know what she was actually saying, but her body was saying- You will respect me and you will listen to me. Juxtapose that with Obambi’s smiling, touching, “hey bro whazzup” hugs, while playing thumb footsies.
Exactly Tuppenance411. Very different body language than that of PBO who while shaking Chavez’s hand (how many times?) he reaches out to their arm in a warm gesture for emphasis, as in saying “I am your brother”….
Very sad.
Completely different body posture, tuppenance. And look at the expressions of the onlookers. This is “not” a smiley face moment.
I’m glad the Republicans have gotten fiscal religion. Of course, no one likes to be reminded that they had complete control for six years while the national economy was being steered towards the cliff, that the national Ponzi scheme was not created over the last 2+ years. There’s been a lot of cross-party feeding at the trough, making deals in the back room and playing footsies with thoroughly corrupt elements.
The game goes on. And hosing down the floor to get rid of Democrats and then replacing them with Republicans may be a feel good moment but is way too simple. The arsonists are from both sides of the aisle. We better start looking at individual players in this, not expecting saints but honest brokers. Otherwise, we’ll simply be jumping from the frying pan back into the fire.
What you said is so true Peggy Sue. Political parties play voters like a fiddle to get elected and then go and do whatever they want. They don’t see us or listen to us. It’s up to us to clean up the house, senate and White House.
Peggy Sue and Elise, it is indeed up to us to clean out the “Augean Stables” and choose the right candidate regardless of Party affiliation.
Hi Peggy, Please remember what started this economic ‘downturn’ the Democratic Congress..Frank-Dodd and Obama-lobbyists and Fannie Mae with Freddie Mac.
Thats the only blame for what is happening now. The crooks will always be crooks and they have been in action since the banks and brokerages were deregulated by Reagan trying to stimulate American business by allowing everyone into the lending game.
The Dems led by Dodd in the Senate and Frank in the House..cheered on by Pelosi and Reid are to blame-personally-for the breakdown we are now experiencing. The rest is fallout..if the leaders of the ‘folks’ are crooks what do you expect from the followers?
Did you read when they were standing for the group picture Obama leaned back and reached behind the leaders next to him, to Shake Chavez hadn yet one more time.
No, I hadn’t read that Lyn. But it doesn’t surprise me. But then, the days of surprises are long gone.
We are so screwed!
and not even kissed first..i hate it when that happens.just like rape..
Notice in the pictures where he is pointing while shaking Chavez’s hand…he has discovered his index finger and given up his regular Obama Salute.
I hope we get another Newt in the coming elections, someone to spur on some opposition and some accountability. This New Democratic Party sucks!!! Nothing very democratic about it. It needs heavy checks and balance.
Indeed it does!! I want the Dem. Party I grew up believing in BAAAACKK.
It’s funny the only “label” I feel comfortable with these days is “I am an independent who identifies the most with “Clinton Democrat”… I migght not agree 100% with everything Bill did or Hillary proposed but they are the only ones within the “modern” Dem. party I overall trusted…
“Obama’s response? “I’m grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old”
OMG! It’s becoming even more obvious that Obama doesn’t want to be president of the United States. He’s an outsider trying to change the US from the inside.
If all his supporters knew this, why the hell are they here if they don’t like this country?
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Did he really say that? Oh boy…He doesn’t understand that he is tehre not as “Barack Obama” the person but as President of The United States. he is representing us all. The man thinks everything is personal, about him. That he is the center of everything…. This is bad. He should stand up there and talk as
the leader of the US not about “when he was 3 months old”
He just doesn’t get it….
I agree, Andy. The very presence of That One in the White House, aside from his frequent gaffes and narcissism on display, weakens this nation.
Benjamin,
Obama and his minions have been hoodwinked by the oldest trick in psychology
Our allies and our enemies know that if you complain long enough about American power then sooner or later you get a president that will have the false impression that just by being nice, retreating and apologizing that everyone will accept our unilateral withdrawal and the world and the country will be safe.
This is the biggest mistake in the history of this great republic and will lead to untold millions of dead by the hands of the wimps and cowards in power.
OMFG…Ulysses S. Moss? ROFLMAO. I love all the patriot names here. Take that you BOTS!!! We love our country.
The Fraud is dangerous, period. We look like morons all over the globe because of his America hating rhetoric. He has to GO.
I would be 15-year-old Claudette Colvin, the teenager who, having just studied the lives of Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth, refused to give up her seat on the bus 9 months before Rosa Parks.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101719889
Ulysses S. Moss-very good of you to come aboard and I concur with your assessment. A few more patriots represented here and we’ll have a quorum of sorts.
Benjamin,
I have always respected your writings dating back to the revolution as well as several that you have made lately..
Here is my favorite quote of yours
Has anybody seen Gen Patton?
I would feel safer if he was on this blog
Can we have secret hand signals like the OBOTS do?
OMG Thomas Pain Jayne? I LOVE IT. Yes, we should have a secret handshake LOL. Hahhahahhahahah….
Crossed fingers, perhaps?
And good afternoon to you, Thomas Paine Jayne. Good to have you aboard, as well.
I just love a good dissension.
Thomas Pain Jayne,
Here is my solution for signals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqiUGjghlzU
clip starts after 1.20 mins
Ulysses S. Moss ….. Grand idea!
“To move forward, we cannot let ourselves be prisoners of past disagreements. I’m grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We’ve all heard these arguments before.”
Actually, the president misspoke on the sequence of events in Cuba. The invasion of CIA-trained rebels at the Bay of Pigs in Cuba occurred in April 1961. Obama was born August 4, 1961.
Another one of the Things Barry inherited.
Ok Lord knows I hate to defend Barky, and don’t think he should have joked at all about this, BUT he didn’t bring up the he was 3 month old crap, he was laughing at a remark Ortega made..
“Mr. Obama was referring to the 52-minute airing of grievances by Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, which ran through decades of what he saw as American imperialism. When discussing the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was launched 48 years ago, Mr. Ortega said he didn’t blame Mr. Obama for it, since according to Cuban President Raoul Castro, the invasion happened when Barack Obama was 3-and-a-half months old at the time.
“Obviously, he didn’t have any responsibility for that historic event,” Ortega said.”
OF course Barky didn’t argue the American side of all the greievences in the 52 min speach about how awful we are, he ignored that completely but had to make buddies with the dictators by laughing at their “joke’ Ass
He uses this excuse a lot, doesn’t he? Isn’t that was he said about Bill Ayers bombing? I was 8 years old when that happened. Why does he feel it’s necessary to constantly bring up his relatively “young” age. Is he insecure or something?
He uses this excuse a lot, doesn’t he? Isn’t that what he said about the Bill Ayers bombing incidents? “I was 8 years old when that was going on.” Why does he feel it’s necessary to constantly bring up his relatively “young” age. Is he insecure or something?
Oh, I think he gets it. It is about him and was about him all throughout the campaign. The real problem is/was that his supporters do not/did not get it.
And wait, you of course are spot on with William “Bill” Ayers and “Bernie” Dohrn being filled with joy.
He must associate all left wing extremism with when he was 3 months old, like he was born a bit too late.
Remember, he gave that example when talking about his long time friends and bus associates Ayers and Dohrn for their terrorist activities during the General Election. “when I was just 3 months old”….but “shhh, I devloped my long relationship when I was this asshole of an adult!”
Something I never thought I would see. An America hating, terrorist sympathizing loser in the White House. God help us all.
Yep.
I think Hugo Chavez is a prime example of what Sen. Hillary Clinton warned about during the campaign, when she said the President must be very careful not to allow foreign leaders to use such moments for propaganda purposes.
That handshake photo, and the carefully calculated gift of the book was a crafty move by Chavez; and I cringed when I saw it, because Obama got punked.
First, Obama bows to the Saudi king. Then he lets Chavez punk him for public pix. It was an act of disrespect. I wonder if Obama even realizes…
So, in that sense, Gingrich is right.
Conversely, while I give Gingrich due respect for being a very smart man, he’s also an ideologue, and his ideology is over. Dead. Finished. We can’t demand what we want in the world anymore. We can’t afford it; and because of the last administration, our moral authority is long evaporated. So, Gingrich’s ideological arguments are like so much spitting into the wind. There is a new frame emerging and evolving:
America: a superpower no more
Decline is occurring more rapidly than we think. It’s time to embrace a new agenda.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0408/p09s01-coop.html
Oh, please. What is up with the liberal rhetoric of not wanting America to be a “super power” anymore. Good lord this bacrap country has gone nuts. We are the greatest nation in the world, warts and all. Thank God for 2010 and 2012 when we can restore some dignity to this mess. Liberals want to see us fail, period. I’m not having any of it. We have always been, and always will be, the best country in the world. All of the jealousy and rage against us from our enemies is one thing, but it’s another to have an entire political party in our own country, the left, dedicated to our humiliation and destruction as a so called “super power.” Enough of that crap.
Are we at 100 days yet?
It has become quite clear Obama has no idea what he is doing on the world stage.
I love this quote from Colin Powell.”Trying to get everyone to like you is a sign of mediocrity:”
I wonder what Powell thinks today of Wonderboy?
You know Powell won’t say. He doesn’t want to be called r@cist or terr@rist.
And while this country will not be AS influential, having to create multipolar coalitions with the rest of the world, it still has too many long term competitive advantages to be anything but a superpower….at least through the next few decades.
Where do the moron Bots get that everyone is in love with the Fraud? These are the new RCP numbers. That 60.7% is lower than BUSH at this time. WTF? And look at what people think of WHERE we are going as a country?
RCP Poll
President Obama Job Approval
Approve 60.7%
Disapprove 30.7%
Congressional Job Approval
Approve 33.8%
Disapprove 59.3%
Direction of Country
Right Direction 34.7%
Wrong Track 58.8%
I’m a Libertarian, not a liberal.
So, here is what I think:
The truth is that Obama got punked, and it will hurt us down the road, because other world leaders will see that he’s weak. That is dangerous, and it’s pathetic to see how smug Obama is about it, because he’s so arrogant that he actually believes–he is a Narcissist after all–that his charm will magically give him power over others. That’s a fatal flaw in this President, and it puts our country in danger from people looking to exploit his weaknesses.
That said, the argument that America is a superpower is so over. Demanding respect, and giving respect in return is good policy. Fairness is good policy. Thumping your chest in nationalistic pride is bad policy, and I reject it. The United States has engaged in foreign policies for decades that have put our country at risk. I reject them.
As a veteran, from a family of military veterans who have served this country in war for generations, I understand your perspective. No one knows better what love of country means than those who serve their country in war. So, give it a rest. You obviously don’t know who your talking to.
Obama got punked. He should have the good grace to admit it, at least to himself. Maybe he’ll learn a lesson. I doubt it, because he’s too arrogant to think anyone can teach him any lessons. He–and we–will all pay a heavy price for his arrogance and narcissism.
When we invaded Iraq illegally, tortured people at Abu Ghraib; when we overthrow democratically elected leaders in Iran, in Chile, Guatemala, Indonesia, and create wars and suffering around the world; when we thump our chests in militaristic aggression around the world through our military might, it comes back to us in hatred. A little more respect for the rights of others around the world is the answer. Not waving your flag and proclaiming us to be the sole superpower.
mountainaires said:
“Conversely, while I give Gingrich due respect for being a very smart man, he’s also an ideologue, and his ideology is over. Dead. Finished. We can’t demand what we want in the world anymore. We can’t afford it; and because of the last administration, our moral authority is long evaporated. So, Gingrich’s ideological arguments are like so much spitting into the wind.”
Absolutely agree. There’s no such thing as a bankrupt super power. And the professional political class is as much to blame for this mess as the greedy, reckless banksters.
We need to honestly assess the wreckage, start cleaning up the mess and not pretend that it’s business as usual.
I agree with you completely. Gingrich was deeply involved in the political party process that gave us what we have today. And, the argument over which president, and political party, harmed our Constitution the most is why we have some guy whose name and citizenship we don’t even know out there telling our enemies exactly why he is less proud of this country than his wife is.
And here we are fighting another tit-for-tat war over the same old political ground that divded the country for eight long years! Clinton’s affair did not have international repercussions, GWB’s breaking of the Geneva Conventions did have international repercussions.
But we didn’t become a superpower just by wishing and we can’t remain a superpower because we want to be. Look at Putin putting Superpower Russia back together and look at Sortoro/Obama telling our enemies we aren’t so great. If we want to remain a great nation among nations; then don’t look to the politicians who have failed us so badly to “fix” things because the only thing we’ll get is deja vu from the same people who created the mess we’re in.
One of our founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin left us a very profound assessment of the situation we are facing today
We need to heed his advice and yours and stop re-fighting old battles and concentrate on winning the one we are in the middle of right now, with far different and scarier enemies, because this is not “business as usual”.
Thanks Peggy Sue. Having read your comments with a lot of admiration and respect, I appreciate your thoughts.
Obama has a pathological need to be accepted and liked, hence his remarks are always going to be from a personal level and not as the president representing the citizens of this country. His early childhood experiences of being abandoned by his father, and later left in his grandparents’ care by a mother who was just too much into her own thing to raise him, leave no doubt in my mind where he is coming from. There are many reasons I feel he is unfit to be our president, but this aspect of his personality frightens me greatly, as I see a facade of calm self assurance hiding a total lack of moral backbone and a pathological need to be liked trumping all other considerations of what is best for this country.
A quote from my namesake:
It is all about him.
Gingrich is our man! Banging his congressional aid while impeaching Clinton.
Was Newt President at the time? Hmmmm….did he commit perjury and obstruction? Hmmmm……
And actually, troll, It was Representative Bob Barr who forced the issue. I’m sure Newt was content to just move along. You really must learn some history, child, prior to demonstrating for all your abject ignorance.
That’s right and Larry Flynt paid his ex-wife for the dirt that he was sleeping with his third wife while still married to his second wife. Just as he was sleeping with her while married to his first wife.
Bob Barr really pushed for Clinton to be impeached and refused to back down. He was the one that introduced the resolution knowing he was cheating on his wife at the time before the Monica Lewinsky thing ever came out. He said that Clinton was interfering in Lewinsky’s testimony on Paula Jones, denying Ms. Jones her rights. Then he basically did the same thing to her during their divorce, so she gave Larry the dirt.
Weather Barr forced the issue or not, although both Barr and Gingrich are scumbags, Gingrich lead the charge in attacking Clinton, while he was committing adultry himself. He was a hypocrit for being on a moral crusade. Much worse that simply lying about sex, which everyone does.
“Further escalating his recent war of words against President Bill Clinton, House Speaker Newt Gingrich accused Clinton of degrading the presidency, through his handling of the Monica Lewinsky investigation, to “a level of disrespect and decadence that should appall every American.”
“There was Jackie, his former high school math teacher, whom he divorced as she was in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery, and Marianne, whom he married shortly after divorcing Jackie, and with whom he was still married when he began his relationship with Callista — an affair that occurred around the time he was promising to never give another speech as Speaker of the House without mentioning the Lewinsky scandal.”
Gingrich the serial cheater. Can’t wait to see how the religious right-wing base justifies voting for this nut!
BB ? Hmmmm. Is it possible that if your brain were put on a razor blade it would resemble a “BB” on a four lane highway? After reading your posts, that image came immediatly to mind.
I think we have had enough “tough” talk and scaring other countries. This country does not need any more neoconservative BS. Greta and Gingrich and you Susan are stuck in another era.
The world and the U.S. have moved on, awasy from the neocon principals of tough talking and threats.
Not sure why we should at all be worried about Ortega or Chavez. They are the democratically elected leaders of their countries. It makes sense to open a new dialogue with these countries. They are no threat to the United States.
There is nothing wrong with deficit spending in a down economy. Makes perfect economic sense. Tax cuts, stimulus, investment and supporting the financial system are exactly what is needed right now.
At the end of the day we will have more people on healthcare, a better regulated financial sector, important investment in energy, improvements to infrastructure, etc. We will have something to show for the deficit spending, unlike Bush who can point to absolutely nothing with his doubling of the national debt.
And we will eventually grow out of the deficit, just like this country always has. And if taxes have to rise to pay for this investment and stimulating the economy, so be it. They will not go up that much on the majority of the people, and frankly most people in this country are really not concerned about their tax burden, just the minority of right-wingers, who somehow think that smaller government is the only answer to a prosperous country and lifestyle.
In fact, a Gallup poll released last week said that Americans currently have the most positive view on taxes that they have had since 1956.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117433/Views-Income-Taxes-Among-Positive-1956.aspx
And to speculate what Clinton would have done is just pure speculation. I think she would have followed exactly the same logical course, which would have been exactly what she needed to do. There is absolutely no evidence she would have done anything different. In fact, given that she would have been the leader of the exact same democratic party and had goals and policy that was little different than Obama and would have likely appointed the same people or been listening to the same people, many of whom were originally Clinton people, there is a very good case to be made that Clinton would have exactly followed Obama course, which is exactly what she should have done. And then you Susan would be prasing what the government was doing. It is hard to believe you would rather follow a guy name Gingrich who harps on the same failed policies and was banging his congressional aid and cheating on his wife when he was leading the impeachment of Clinton. Gingrich and his policies are completely discredited. Gingrich is all about the same old politics. Easy to sit outside government and critize with absolutely no solutions as Gingrich does.
Hard to believe, Susan, you were ever a Democrat, as you are so far away from that now with your neocon views, critisim of Obama social policy, and your support of just about everything that comes out of Republicans mouths.
Clinton/Gingrich 2012!
Pres Clinton managed to apologize for some past wrongs with America and didn’t come off as weak to every single leader he met.
You are delusional to think that China and Russia have moved on and the grand chessboard isn’t in full play.
Have you read ANY history?
Did the world suddenly replace oil and water as vital resources? No, they didn’t. So the game is still on.
And if the world has turned your imaginary corner then please explain why Russia developed a thermobaric bomb? Or why they had a missle display after how long of not having them? Or why they are resuming bomber test flights in our direction again? Or do you think Canada is actually on their hit list instead with their new arctic fighting force? And what about turning off Europe’s gas transmission lines in the dead of winter? I am sure that was so Europe could feel their love.
What about China and their military build up? Why isn’t that a concern? Especially since one of their Vice-Chairmen gave a speech to the military commission and has decided that China has every right to colonize the US.
“Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.”
As far as the stimulus….wow did you miss even one talking point? The Bush team had a lot of talking points too. That didn’t make it true in theory or in reality. How exactly is the stimulus package going to help us when lobbyist wrote it and Congress didn’t read it? Oh yeah…because the media told you so.
Did they read it? No, because it wasn’t available at the time they were touting it’s benefits.
Doesn’t that bother you a little? The same lobbyist that control Congress and got them to deregulate the financial markets and other areas wrote this bill. And if everyone is complaining about the Glass-Steagall Act being repealed, then why don’t they reinstate it? Hmmmm…..maybe it was all that easy/fake money they made that is preventing the cure to be reinstated? Ya think?
If you aren’t concerned about taxes and increasing the govt’s size and spending then clearly you missed the news about Europe warning us not to go down this path. Socialist…high tax rate…Europe is warning us about the increase in spending! That is a huge development in my lifetime.
Nevermind the fact, they are only able to have all those comforts because we foot their military bill. When Tom Freidman asked Europeans about this fact. Crickets.
As far as what would Hillary do. She said what she would do. She would create another HOLC to deal with housing probelm. Which is where the banks toxic debt lies. It turned a profit last time it was implemented and would repeat it again.
She wouldn’t give trillions away to shore up those bad debts. She would deal with the ACTUAL probelm like she said she would. There is plenty of evidence of Hillary’s suggestion on YouTube and Obama flat out rejecting a proven solution time and again. So you are wrong on that front too.
And Obama’s choices for his admin does not guarantee what Hillary’s admin would look like. Certainly, she would have previous Clinton people in her admin, since Carter’s people are too old, but she isn’t the exact same person as Obama. So her personnel choices and actions would be different as well. Your assumption that she would do the same thing as Obama has been proven false time and again over the past two years. Why would it stand under your version of events? If anything Clinton has a better working relationship with more people on both sides of the aisle than Obama. The results wouldn’t be the same, because Hillary wouldn’t have spent every speech slamming the Republicans while immediately contradicting herself in the next sentence about the new era of working together.
You are also wrong about Newt. Gingrich doesn’t harp on the same failed policies. He isn’t my favorite guy but Gingrich has been rebuilding his reputation with solid and fair commentary about Obama and other topics. He wants to lure Dems and Ind which requires more than harping on failed policies and partisan attacks. And since, Obama has embraced so many of Dubya’s policies…..Gingrich can redefine the Republicans back to their core values, while smearing Dubya all over him.
Dismissing Gingrich is foolish. He has forgotten more about DC than Obama ever bothered to learn. And he doesn’t need a teleprompter to complete his sentences or answer questions.
It is sad that so many Democrats lost their principles when Obama does the same sleazy things Bush did. But for you to claim that Susan has ‘neocon views’ because she didn’t toss her Democrat principles out is ridiculous.
You are the one who compromised yourself to the neocon way for Obama. Not Susan. She wasn’t fooled by the plethora of lies that clearly have you captivated.
I notice that Colin Powell has been very silent ever since the assinine program Obama was flirting with that would force third party insurance to pay for the service related injuries and diabilities of our vets. Also wonder how he likes the DOJ report on the “right wing” dangers to this country that very prominently features returning combat veterans. Your silence is deafening, General Powell.
Speaking of spineless………..
http://patterico.com/2009/04/18/cnn-the-latest-corporate-thug-to-use-copyright-as-a-weapon-to-eliminate-embarrassing-clips-from-youtube/
The latest culprit is CNN, a network that was recently embarrassed by a video of reporter Susan Roesgen cutting off tea-party protestors in Chicago, and assailing them with silly liberal talking points. The blog Founding Bloggers showed up on scene and caught her in further arguments with angry citizens who noted her biased coverage.
They also are spending the entire day of Barky’s 100th day Celebrating, they are going to show his speeches chicago blah blah and john King is even bringin gout his board in celebration of this wonderful event. They are having all the commentators from the elections.
and THIS is the station that complained Fox was biased.
It wasn’t anyone’s business to ask a President of the United States what he was doing in his personal life, if what he was doing, was not affecting the country in a negative way.
Oh my God…Of course it’s our business. And of course someone was going to get the information and leak it. Do you REALLY think that any President can have secrets like that? WTF? That’s insane.
By the way, some people think that the office of the President of the United States should have SOME kind of dignity. You don’t, but most of us do think that the President has to be held to higher standards than every other John Q. Public. And it DID affect us in a negative way. He got impeached and we got humiliated. Period. I’m not bashing the Clintons, but for God’s sakes you people assassinate every single thing Bush does or did, but the Democrats get a free ride.
I do not condone what Clinton did or for that mattter what every other bed hopping president and politician has done whether they were Dems or Reps…
But Clinton’s bedroom antics is not really what one should look at with his administration. Clinton did a lot more good for America finacially and America’s world wide outlook in his 8 years than bad.
What Obama has done in just 1/6 the time is sick. Obama already has the world laughing at him and America. Most world leaders think Obama’s an idiot and England already has a crazy nickname for Obama; Pantywaist. Whether you want to believe it or not this is reflecting back on us Americans, the citizens of this country that Obama speaks shamefully of.
Bush brought America down in the world’s eyes due to the wars. Now Obama, he seems to be trying to beat out Bush in bring down America’s reputation in a Very short time. Regretfully it looks like Obama is making the World wonder about America and Americans in a negative way.
CA you are right. It’s not the thing that should define Clinton’s Presidency, and I don’t think it will be so in history. I understand how everyone feels about it and I’m sorry for the mess this caused. No one is perfect, not even the President. Whether or not I think it was ill handled, we sure would be in better shape with either Clinton in the White House. Obama’s just plain disgusting, vile, inappropriate, America hating and ignorant. If I ever met Obama, and the Secret Service wasn’t up my azz, I would slap his face for trashing my beloved country. Hey, a gal can dream.
The Democrats don’t “get a free ride” with Susan, Larry, or most others around here. We’re disgusted and dismayed at the DNC’s theft of a nomination process, and the installation of an inexperienced, arrogant, weak President, instead of Sen. Clinton, who would have been a much better nominee and President.
Personally, I am disgusted with both parties. But right now, my personal enmity and loathing is directed at a President and his administration which dont’ think the RULE OF LAW should apply in this country equally.
I want prosecutions. I want a leader who swears an oath on his inauguration day and actually believes it has meaning. I want the rule of law to apply to G. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Jay Bybee, Bradbury, Feith, Addington, and the rest of the war criminals in the previous administration who authored and carried out violations of THE LAWS of this country, and committed violations of our treaties, and our Constitution. That the Democrats don’t think that is important; that the Republicans didn’t think it was important makes me sick.
This makes me sick:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/19/rahm-emanuel-there-is-no-law/
He was getting BJ’s in the oval office with an INTERN for God’s sake. Then he lied under oath about it. Real Presidential, huh?
Exactly! I can’t believe people defend that “Presidential” behavior.
Don’t forget she brought her “Presidential knee pads” with her. That INTERN was not innocent.
That begs the question, so what? She was an adult; he was an adult. I would rather have an adulterer in the personage of WJC running this country than the buffoon we currently are being made to endure.
I should also add that anyone who is as hated by both extremes (left and right) must have done one hell of a lot correctly.
I don’t want to rehash this with you Ben…I agree that he would be better than the Stoner in Sheep, Obaaaaa–maaaa…No shit. But breaking the law is, well, illegal and Presidents don’t get to do it. My issue was never with the BJs, even though arguably that was crappy, but it was with him lying under oath. Sorry but it’s against the law. Period.
Then there are a lot of Presidents who should also have been impeached. My only concern is that the indignation not become so selective as to ignore the flag-draped scoundrels whose last refuge is patriotism.
Like I said, my father was a lawyer, and I come from a family full of lawyers, judges, etc. I was Pre-Law in College at USC. I have the utmost respect for the law and our Constitution, period. The meme around here is…”well, Bush did it, so it’s okay.” Or, “well so and so did it, so it’s okay.” NONE of it is “okay.” NONE of it. And, by the way, there is something about a man and his honor that I have a big issue with. He got caught, red-handed and he STILL lied. That was wrong. He should have told the truth, apologized and guess what? I bet it would have gone away. The lying and breaking the law is what did him in, and the part of it that hurts me as an American.
Can’t argue with you on this at all. You are spot on!
But, maybe if we are nice about it, we could get the 0ne to work an apology for Clinton into his apology tour.
The hypocrisy of people who will morph their principles in the effort to defend one person who actually did defile the Oval office, and who lied is a troubling thing for me.
Bill Clinton lied, and he dissembled in testimony under oath. Yes, it was over a stupid affair–not even touching on the fact that it was an affair with an intern, who Bill Clinton exploited, okay, so I was furious about that too. But nevertheless, in my view, Clinton disrespected the law. He lost his license for it; he had to be humiliated, publicly shamed, and impeached in the House for it.
At least he suffered some consequences.
George W. Bush and the torturers and war criminals are being protected NOW by Obama. I’m furious and outraged by that!
It’s not “okay” with me. It’s not okay with me what Clinton did. I din’t minimize or trivialize it then and I won’t do it now. I was infuriated that he would be so stupid. Because of Bill Clinton’s actions, we ended up with George W Bush for 8 years and we all know how well that turned out!
Bill Clinton’s arrogance in his actions then was as bad–in my opinion–as Obama’s actions are now.
And, I despair for my country that no one respects the RULE OF LAW anymore. We all seem to just morph our belief in the rule of law to benefit whatever argument we’re making at the moment.
It is disturbing to me because I love and believe in my country’s ideals.
Im so tired of hearing about Clinton affair.
I think if you all look at the history of our great politicians, especially Presidents you will find that MANY of them had little affairs on the side. Its just that while they were in office not many spoke about or leaked it to the press.
I agree. I believe, because the Clinton years were so “uneventful”, in the sense of no major crises to report on, the media went on one of their patented fishing expeditions to gain viewership. We saw the same with Bush, both for him and then against him, and with That One. A lot of this stuff represents tempests in teapots. Where I have a problem is when there is real trouble afoot, and the media is nowhere to be found–like for the last year, as an objective example. They still fail to report on the way in which That One bamboozled 69,000,000 people, who in retrospect, should have just thrown their vote down the nearest sewer.
I agree and honestly IF the Republicans want any Moderate Dems to vote for ANY Republican, let alone Newt, they should just shut up about it. Clinton bashing and bringing up Bill’s past, when it was HILLARY running, is one of the reason MANY MANY Dems stayed home on election day when they didn’t want to vote for Obama. So they can keep it up it is their right, but it will NOT help get rid of any Dems in 2010. Especially on a board that is at least half filled with Clinton Dems. Long time Dems that don’t like the current party STILL do not agree with many many things the Republican Presidents /party did or say, but were willing to vote for Republicans either for POTUS, (Mainly to STOP Obama, not because we were big McCain fans) or at the state level in hopes to cut down on the majority to slow down if not stop the Obama/Reid/Pelosi mess, but many of the Right commentors on blogs or news shows just can’t stop the Clinto Bashing with their Holier than thow attitude that turns many people away from the Reblicans to start out with, played a big part in many Dems saying F them all they all suck and chose to stay home on Nov 4th. Think about it, alot of Republican voters stayed home on election day instead of voting for their parties nom, so imagine how much harder it was for 2nd-3rd genration Dems to go to the polls and pull the lever for a party you do NOT agree with most of their platform. Many on the right could have at least realized that and kept their mouths shut on the Clinton bashing, especially since it was Clinton Dems that were thinking of voting against party lines, but they rather keep bashing. THAT worked out well for them, it’s a shame they haven’t seemed to learn yet, hopefully they’ll cath on by 2010, but it’s getting close and I don’t see it.
I am NOT asking anyone to pretend to like the Clintons, or even us, just realize it doesn’t win anyone over your side.
You would honestly vote for another Obama, and watch your country be destroyed, because someone made a truthful comment about the Clintons? WTF? That’s really sad.
It is more important for people to bash the Clintons KNOWING it will turn people who like and respect them off and make it even harder for them to vote for a party they don’t like than keeping your mouth shut?
THAT to me is even sadder.
If you can’t handle discussions, from both sides, about any politician then that’s too bad. But to say that you will vote for another Obama, because someone mentions Clinton’s impeachment, or whatever, is really not the best way of thinking. You know…you DO have to live in this country too and so does your family. That kind of doesn’t make sense and seems irresponsible. And telling people to STFU is sort of Obama-ish too. First Amendment, remember? We all get to have opinions.
As for voting for a “party you don’t like?” Why don’t you try voting candidate next time? I’m sure you didn’t vote for Obama, or you probably wouldn’t be here. But saying you would have done it because some blogger made a comment about the Clintons…Wow…just…wow.
I can handle any discussion and show me where “I” said “I” would vote for Obama, I stated the fact that many Dems could not bring themselves to vote for McCain or any other Republican because they don’t believe in the same things as the Republican party, so they stayed home. IF YOU can’t comprehend what people actually write and the only feelings you complain about “people here who attack us for our feelings, should read what we are saying.” should realize it goes both ways. IT was discussed many many times here before the GE when we were trying to get Dems to vote for McCain and many passionate Dems wrote why they could NEVER vote for the Republicans and what they stand for. So THAT is what I meant voting for a party, IF you see a party as being against everything you are for and many of the leaders are hypocrits and their own members are staying home instead of voting for THEIR nominee, it can be alot easier to just not vote.
I could care less what anyone says, especially someone I don’t even know, but thought others who WANT the Moderate Dems or IND who like the Clintons to vote Republican would like to know one thing they could quit doing that hurts Repblicans.
It seems irresponsible to me to go to a site full of Clinton Dems who for the most part see the Clinton impeachemnt in a completely different light than you and go on and on about how awful it was Bill Lied about a BJ. Many dems like myself think the awful part was what seemed to be a bunch of Repblicans sticker their nose where it didn’t belong for the sole purpose of bringing the Clinton Presidency down ESpecially since it turned out most of the leaders were doing the same thing if not more.
I don’t go to sites that rightwing type sites and bring up how awful I think the Bushes are and ALL of the LAWS THEY BROKE, but since the Dems weren’t on a witch hunt and thought it was more important to do what they were elcted to do instead of wasting all their time and MILLIONS of dollars impeaching him, and I especially wouldn’t do that IF I was trying to get people to put Country not party first.
But you seem to enjoy it, so best of luck.
Well, Lyn, some of us can’t stand what the Dems did this year and last. I guess if you like Hillary you don’t like it either. So you can get off the indignation and the “GOP sucks” speak. I haven’t in my lifetime ever seen anything as disgusting as what is going on now, or what was done in the primary. Never.
I didn’t realize that you could only be here on this site if you were a pissed off Democrat. Actually, I don’t think that’s true, so I don’t know why you mentioned not going to right wing sites and bashing Bush.
I’m sorry you don’t like what happened to Bill Clinton. None of us did. But I still don’t get the “I won’t vote for a Republican if anyone ever talks about the Clintons” thing. That’s so WTF.
As for voting for McCain? That was a no brainer. Country over party? Not even a question. And, honestly, I couldn’t have cared LESS who won last year, if the race had been between McCain and Hillary. I hadn’t decided who to vote for, because I wanted to see debates between two intelligent, rational, adult politicians. I didn’t get that, thanks to the Dems. I got shit on. And now I pay for it with the complete 100% destruction of my country. Do you not think some of us have the right to be pissed at what the Dems have done? Or it’s just the GOP that you hate? Really? Because I will NEVER forgive the Dems for Obama. Never. I am struggling to sleep at night, and watching every single thing I believed about America be destroyed. He’s not even comparable to Bush. Did Bush go all over the world saying what shit America is?
I hope for you, and my country, that you do what you say. Country first. I hope everyone does. If Obama’s not the BIGGEST lesson of COUNTRY FIRST then I don’t know who the F**k is. Period.
Clinton’s infamous relation with Lewinsky should have been nobody’s business, but Bill and Hillary. Unfortunately the American Public and of course Gingrich are so hypocrite that they would condemn the President even though they had or were engaging in the same behavior or worse.
In my view Gingrich and Obama are just the same hypocrite and opportunist politicians.
I have said here for over a year I am furious about what the Dems did, but YOU can’t seem to admit any of this is the GOP fault. Bush didn’t go around appologizing, BUT he did lie to get us in a war and he did OUT a CIA agent and I’m sorry but THAT to me is a hell of alot worse than Bill getting a BJ.
Obaviously Mccain vs Obama wasn’t a No brainer because Obama won, it’s a damn shame so many Republicans stayed hime because Mccain wasn’t conservative enough for them. IF PUMAs could suck it up and vote for MCain for our country the least the Republicans could have done was supporter THEIR Nom.
I’m not replying anymore to this thread, because you obviously have problems, and I really don’t feel like reading any more lectures since you repeat the same things over and over since I never said I wouldn’t vote for a Republican I pointed out what is a fact and IF your were hear the past year you would know that, well maybe not
Lyn…So, this whole mess, ALL OF IT, is the GOPs fault? No, I can’t say that. I don’t think the RNC made Obama their nominee. So, nope, can’t do what you do and lay it 100% at the feet of the Dems.
Sorry, I meant the GOP.
IF you really are that dense I feel sorry for you, but I think you are just acting like you can’t read, so I’ll try again than give up on you My first sentence was “I have said here for over a year I am furious about what the Dems did, but YOU can’t seem to admit any of this is the GOP fault.” if you chose to twist that into I said the GOP is 100% to blame, that is sad. But I get it you are always right and everyone has to be thoughtful about your opinions and feelings but you can be as nasty as you like.
Why is Obama the GOP’s fault? I don’t get it Lyn. For the 1,000th time…if the Dems needed to cheat, steal, lie whatever because they were pissed about Bush, and the claim that there was GOP cheating, great. But your party had to bring us Obama? Your party couldn’t have let us have Hillary and at least let our country survive? I don’t think either side is perfect, but for the LAST TIME Obama is a whole other ballgame. Nothing in our history has been this bad…NOT EVEN BUSH.
I will try one last time to say why PART of Obama being POTUS lies at the GOP feet. IF Bush and company didn’t do such an awful job, IF most of the country wasn’t furious at them for the lieing us into a war and then not giving the troops and their proper equipment they asked for in the beginning, PLAME, firing the judges for political reasons and lieing about that and Rove et all refusing to answer their summons ect, taking Clintons surplus and putting us into deficit spending THEN it would not have been such an uphill battle for whoever ended up being the GOP Nom.
IF life in our Country was peaceful and we still had surplus money ect people would not have been so hungry for change.
I get that you blame the Dems 100% and don’t think you are awful or anything like you seem to think I am for MY opinions and beliefs, I just happen to believe that there is alot of blame to go around,the Dems for stealing the Nom from Hillary, the GOP for people being so furious and then not rallying around THEIR Nominee and the MSM for not vetting/hiding the truth about Obama.
I’ve never laid the entire problem at the feet of the Dems. Never. But I will stand by my blame of them for Obama as their nominee. Period. I’m in the position where I don’t sleep at night, and I live in fear for my country. I can’t lay that on Bush at the moment. Not that I worship him, or anything like that. But I wish we could all embrace each other, and do something positive to stop these crazy f**ks in DC, so that we even HAVE a country left. My focus is on now, what’s happening NOW. That’s why I guess we aren’t communicating well.
I have said over and over…my bad. I didn’t pay attention when Bush was around. MY BAD. I get it. But this Obama thing is one big old filthy mess and I want it to stop. And I DON’T want the Dems to vote him in again. Really, WTF anyway about that? How COULD they?
I don’t think you are awful or bad for your beliefs. I don’t even know you in real life, so how could I? I just get really scared about the Dem partisan stuff because I know that’s going to bring me Obama again and I can’t take it. As long as people keep up the GOP is evil nonsense then we will NEVER have balance in Congress, or boot those losers out of DC. I’m fighting for my life and country, just like you are.
Very astute, Lyn. Bill Clinton did a good job as president. Did he lie under oath? Yes. Was he witch hunted continuously until something was found? A big, fat yes. While I voted Republican in more than just the presidential election this year, I wish this Bill Clinton bashing would cease. I don’t like Newt. I wouldn’t vote for him if he were the only candidate running - even against Barry. I would choose to not vote in that case.
It’s not blasting Clinton to point out he broke the law. Some of us don’t like that. In the scheme of things, I honestly don’t give a crap about it and I’m really not losing sleep over it. Never did. But truth is truth. Period.
Well good to know that bj was so damn offensive you can’t muster up strength to criticize Bush’s assault on the constitution.
Some respect for the law….lol
I heard these same complaints out of every Obot’s mouth that tried to justify their vote for the inexperienced liar.
Nevermind the fact that simple minding thinking brought us Bush too!
To quote Bill Maher that election boiled down to “I f*ck my wife” and who could sell that theme the best.
Don’t look at the war-profiteering Bush family history…..that is of no concern because ‘I f*ck my wife.’
Then…a bj over the constitution!? Grrrr.
And now…
A bj somehow negates an experienced candidate and restoring the constitution.
correction….simple minded thinking
Really, what’s the matter with you people? You can’t have a conversation that stays on one topic. It has to go to Bush. Why is it that if anyone has a conversation here that truthfully deals with a situation on the left, that it goes right to Bush? These two things have nothing to do with each other. If you want to start yet another Bush bashing thread, great. Everyone will pile on for days to bash him. But why does Clinton = Bush? That makes no sense.
It IS on topic…..a Presidential bj is none of your business. It never was…it was a bs partisan attack.
The distruction of the constitution by a President your business.
It is your civic duty!
That is the difference.
LOL…What is matter with us? We aren’t distracted by Republican partisan bs like you seem to be.
Do you peek in your neighbor’s bedroom too? Geez!
‘is’ your business.
You just don’t get it because it’s you that hates the right so much you can’t have a clear head. For the last time, Clinton committed perjury, which is against the law. Get a grip on yourself and stop the hate.
Stop deluding yourself and get your hate in check.
You don’t know what I think about the right or what my opinions about Clinton’s perjury were. However, lying about a bj under oath STILL doesn’t rate compared to the assault on the constitution. Not even in the same league. One is still none of your business…what Bush did is your CIVIC DUTY to pay attention to. And up thread you said you still can’t lay anything on Bush cause Obama scares you. But you are all over Clinton and a freaking bj! Ugh!
By the way….I voted for McCain/Palin in the general election.
And I was going to switch my registration to Republican for the primary election. The only thing that stop that plan was all the dirty tricks Obama was pulling on the Clintons.
He was such a corrupt man so I stayed with the Dems to vote against Obama.
Sorry, but the dog and pony show doesn’t distract me as easily as it does you. I see both sides very clearly.
Well, it’s pretty simple. Break the law, go to jail. Period. The left doesn’t get a free ride any more than the right does. Frankly I don’t give a damn about any of this, but we are all entitled to our opinions whether you like them or not.
And, where do you get off telling me what my “duty” is? None of your business what I do politically and you know nothing about what I think or feel.
Oh yeah, get off it. I didn’t vote for Bush so you can stop your rants about him to ME.
Are you serious!? You don’t know what your civic duty is?
LOL….
How old are you? Your civic duty has nothing to do with me telling you anything politically…it has to do with the entire govt….LOL. Look it up spare yourself more embarrassment.
Anyway, Bush broke a lot more laws than lying about a bj but apparently he gets a pass because you are scared now. So you little rant about breaking the law and going to jail, left or right, holds no weight because you are giving Bush a ‘free ride’ over worse crimes. Which is a hypocritical stance and why you are being called out on it.
I find it interesting that you claim we are all entitled to our opinions and then immediately contradict yourself by telling ME what I can post about.
LOL…thanks for the laughs…though I doubt you meant it to be funny.
When did I give Bush a free ride? Can you please point that out for me? Please post exactly where I said that. LMAO what a joke.
Are you serious? You want me to walk YOU through YOUR posts?
I said it was up thread where you said you can’t lay anything on Bush because you are scared.
‘Free ride’ was in your previous post….if you don’t recognize your own words it’s not my probelm.
Seriously, do you have learning issue? Reading comprehension probelms? How old are you? Because my niece in elementary school can track her conversations better than you can.
I’m 46 with a 167 IQ. I went to first grade at 3 and college at 15. I was a production executive for Spielberg at the age of 24. Do you really want to keep embarrassing yourself? Typical moonbat nonsense. I’m going to leave you to your irrational hate of the right LOL. Ciao!
‘Moonbat nonsense’….’irrational hate of the right’
I voted for the right you LOON! We already went over that….LOL!
164 IQ huh?
Yeah sure….you didn’t even know what ‘civic duty’ is.
And can’t track your own conversations long enough to remember what you or anyone else wrote…..but you are a genius!?
OK whatever you need to believe is fine….now run along and look up ‘civic duty’.
You need some mental health care. You do know, imbecile, that I know people here in real life, right? Like Seattle Moss, Wodiej, Caligal (who I have known for 20 years) SINCE BEFORE I worked for Spielberg, right out of USC. I will ask you again…do you want to keep making an ass of yourself? Get a life. Why would I lie, not that I give a damn what some lunatic thinks of me, but why would I bother to lie to some jackazz on a blog? Please get help.
Stop projecting…you are the one who needs help.
You can’t even track a conversation that is WRITTEN down in front of you.
That One’s response:
What “other” issues could this statement apply to?
Gee, let me think….. many centuries ago……….
Hey Donna..it is interesting that your comment has no meaning..what are you referring to? Slavery? Are we now going to have your favorite discussion–racism?
President Clinton should have admitted his tryt. He would have been humiliated, but not impeached as he hadn’t broken any laws and he had not endangered the nation. He should have apologized before the American people and asked for our forgiveness. I remain angry about his behavior, but I would have forgiven him.
Ken Starr was out for blood. He should never have been appointed since his bias was palpable.
Several other presidential infidelities quickly come to mind: Jefferson, Kennedy, & Johnson.
President Clinton should have admitted his tryt. He would have been humiliated, but not impeached as he hadn’t broken any laws and he had not endangered the nation. He should have apologized before the American people and asked for our forgiveness. I remain angry about his behavior, but I would have forgiven him.
Exactly. The people here who attack us for our feelings, should read what we are saying. We aren’t bashing the infidelity. We’re just pissed about how it was handled and that law were broken, leading to impeachment. By the way, despite it being overturned, Clinton is the first elected President to be impeached in our history. Kind of embarrassing.
I disagree. I think he should have said my personal life is none of your business. Then he would have not had to lie. I also think there was hypocrisy on the part of Gingrich and Barr because they were both having affairs while married.
Don’t forget Larry Widestance Craig and his Clinto was a bad bad boy creepy finger pointing.
I don’t think he should have had to say it is none of your business, I don’t think the questions should have come up at all, ESPECIALLY by a bunch of hypocrits that it turns out whrere doing the same thing.
Oh and David Vitter who said he should resign since he was morally unfit. Hypocrits the bunch of them, but karma has a way of catching up.
Well he is truly showing his hatred for America. Give kudos to Farrakhan and Rev. Wright as well. American Revolution II is on the horizon.
American Revolution II is on the horizon.
Either he straightens the HELL up, and realizes that he WORKS FOR US, or you got that right.
Is there anyway for the Republicans to retake the House in 2010.
A “black swan” is an unpredictable event that changes everything. 9-11 was the last. The stock market collapse on the eve of the election might have been another. We’re due for another “black swan,” and who knows how it will shake out. Shit happens.
yes, some politicians are up for re-election in 2010.
Think “No more Speaker Nazi Pelosi”!!!!!
Bay of Pigs in Cuba happened in April 1961. Obama was born August 4, 1961.
Maybe the event at Bay of Pigs *got Obama born*, but he wasn’t three months old when it happened.
He sure has a way with historical dates. he is SO BRILLIANT isn’t he?
Good catch! Amazing how he does not know these things and even if he does he is unable to think on his feet to make the right rejoinder or ad lib as the case may be. He is hopeless.
Sara, you should write a post on this. He should just stick to his teleprompter stuff.
So was BO really born in January 1961? And IF he was intending the remark to be literal, not to be brushed off as a piece of hyperbole.
Nobody else (e.g., HRC) was allowed to get away with hyperbole. Why is he an exception.
[...] a follow up to Susan’s earlier post, I wanted to point out an error in Obama’s response to the 50 minute diatribe launched by [...]
Obama had better realize that now as President he represents the decades of USA actions concerning all of North America in any shape, fashion, or form.
When he turned it into a personal get out of a stance card, it was irritating, traitorous and pathetic.
Hey Obama, YOU REPRESENT ALL OF US AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ALL HER RECENT DEEDS MENTIONED OR NOT MENTIONED, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU BEING 3 MONTHS OLD, YOU IDIOT.
The parodied O idiot answer: ” It’s not my yob . I wore diapers. I don’t want to talk about it . You act like I’m the President of the USA or something . Let’s forget about it and move on . ”
There’s the foreign policy master of Odumb-dumb.
Just forget about it !
That’s how Odumbdumb will win over the foreign governments, tell them to forget it.
I’m sure, they’ell forget all about it, YOU COMPLETE MORON OBAMA.
He blabbered everyone knows all about it and has gone over it - so he, the blank slate with no opinion or knowledge in the matter, could blabber we all need to move on.
What a total zero, what an idiot, blank slate, and unwilling to defend let alone represent the USA as potus.
Thank Odummy for absolutely nothing.
They won’t just forget about it, you idiot.
Now we can buy the oil, right - since we can’t drill here. I want to know how that works, foreign nations are allowed to drill up all the oil for us, but we can’t. Great, more elite liberalism and price problems, but the O will make war for oil non-existent - right - it will be butt kissing and love for oil - with 3 month old diapers as the symbol.
Oh how the main stream media works. They make me sick !!!!!
What I think is the ones who hate us as to act mad at Obama and then bam…… Look see Obama made head ways.for what ? Oh for their own agenda that they are working together on taking over our country..can’t you see that…..WAKE UP AMERICA ..it part of Obama’s and the ones who hates us plans..can you not see that..wake up america !!!!