A day to day subordination of women, at whatever level in whichever society, is a conscious, premeditated, programmed, accepted and encouraged by the society at large, as well as often linked to and viewed as an integral part of the culture, etc, etc. etc.

Not so in an armed struggle, women victims are not singled out when a bomb drops (what you call collateral damage), they just happen to be at or near an intended target.

Big difference.

I don’t think so. Of course, you’re entitled to differ with me, but in my worldview, innocents being slaughtered during war as “collateral damage” is no more excuseable than subordination of women in general. So, in fact, I think by raising the issue of women killed in war-particulary in wars like Iraq and the Gaza slaughter of tens of thousands of women and children, I highlight the degradation of social mores which respect women. After all, would we wage war so easily, knowing that women and children would be slaughtered, if we respected them and their human rights?

I don’t think so. It’s all part of one big ugly package in my mind.

Use of the words “collateral damage” epitimizes societal subordination of innocent women, children–and men. Their lives are not even worth using the proper words–they are just “collateral damage.” Like a building.

That’s not an attack on our troops who serve. I’m a veteran, and so is my spouse, my brother, my sister, my father, my spouses father, brother and generations before us.

So was slavery, still didn’t make it “right.” Still fighting against it.

-and nearly everyone, including many women, engage in it on one level or another. Countries, communities, Congresses, Churches, next-door neighbors, family and friends~ad infinitum.-

-Ahmadinejad doesn’t respect “human rights”; but neither does China, and we don’t mind making China our most significant trading partner. So, how hypocritical are we, on Ahmadinejad? –

Probably because Iran figuratively yells out, Kill, kill, kill while China yells out, Buy, buy, buy.

And if you want to talk about murder, why are you not including the most heinous: bombs in markets, school yards, hospital entrances, etc. In an armed struggle between militaries, you KNOW who the enemy is, when its your own kind carrying out the acts, you free everyone around you, you don’t know who the “enemy” is.

It has been feeling that way for some time (years), hasn’t it.

Oh, well then! You’ve dictated to your family how they will think. Wow. Isn’t that a form of subjugation?

Haha! Why yes! Tis good to be the queen!

Look, y’all can call me blind, naive or whatever but since I and my hub have some good friends who are Jewish it’s hard for me to hear of anti -semitism (and I am talking about Ahmadinejad here) without turning into a rabid Texas coyote. Regardless of how anyone feels, to deny that the Holocaust occurred is shameful. The Nazis didn’t just pick on Jews in Poland (which might account too for my “rabidness”).

I am not here to debate who’s right and who is wrong. But I think we can all agree women’s rights are not a high priority for the country of Iran.

An effective rebuttal by the next person at the microphone is also a useful tool. Something that slipped Barky’s mind when he cracked his smart ass joke ” Glad you didn’t blame me for what happened when I was 3 months old”

Well, yeah, I know. That’s not “subordination” after all. Just murder.

Durban II no-shows won’t be missed:

Recently, a number of countries that are still in denial about their history of racism, namely Israel, the United States, Canada, Australia, and the Netherlands, have announced that they will be boycotting the UN anti-racism conference.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=92025§ionid=3510303

===

Ahmadinejad’s Webster speech canceled:

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s speech at a Swiss university has been canceled due to apparent pressure from pro-Israeli lobbying.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=92052§ionid=351020101

===

UN racism conference adopts final declaration – Summary:

All but nine of the 192 United Nations member states adopted by consensus Tuesday a declaration at the Durban Review Conference in Geneva calling for protecting vulnerable people and fighting against racism, discrimination and intolerance.
http://snipurl.com/ge57p

===

Norwegian lawyers to accuse Israeli leaders of war crimes:

Israel’s former prime minister Ehud Olmert and other top officials could face legal action in Norway over the Gaza offensive after six Norwegian lawyers said Tuesday they would accuse them of war crimes.
http://snipurl.com/ge58l