Comments on: Harman Selling Out America? http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:41:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: JER MYNOR http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192822 JER MYNOR Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:42:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192822 strong> I think that all on here who are dis-satisfied with govt. should all declare themselves in a new party called the "AMERICAN PARTY" not even independents, but the AMERICAN PARTY"> We all are more than aware that our Govt. is full of paid crooks. In 2010 Harry Reid of Nevada is said to be in a bad spot....suppose all of our "AMERICAN Party" buddies vote against him, and get just two friends or relatives in Nevada to do the same.....thats one down, and many more to go.... especially here in Wash.State....All of our Senators are corrupt, and so are our House of Representatives. We have got to take all of them down for the AMERICAN PARTY"S sake, whiich is our goal. It would be so refreshing to start with an entirely new congress, one who just might know we are their bosses, and any corruption,greed or bribery, will cost them their seat instantly......... strong>
I think that all on here who are dis-satisfied with govt. should all declare themselves in a new party called the “AMERICAN PARTY” not even independents, but the AMERICAN PARTY”>

We all are more than aware that our Govt. is full of paid crooks.
In 2010 Harry Reid of Nevada is said to be in a bad spot….suppose all of our “AMERICAN Party” buddies vote against him, and get just two friends or relatives in Nevada to do the same…..thats one down, and many more to go….

especially here in Wash.State….All of our Senators are corrupt, and so are our House of Representatives.
We have got to take all of them down for the AMERICAN PARTY”S sake, whiich is our goal.
It would be so refreshing to start with an entirely new congress, one who just might know we are their bosses, and any corruption,greed or bribery, will cost them their seat instantly………

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192647 foxyladi14 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:53:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192647 she is no better then he is... she is no better then he is…

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192641 foxyladi14 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:49:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192641 i would love to see her give up her gavel.. i would love to see her give up her gavel..

]]> By: califlefty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192367 califlefty Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:40:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192367 Thanks for the clarification that the wiretap was aimed at the spy, not Harman, however it doesn't really change the dynamic - Harman may have know who she was speaking with, but did she know this person was a spy? And, who released the transcripts, will the release jeopardize any investigation/indictments? Did the "releaser" interfere with this investigation? These questions are still pertinent. Thanks for the clarification that the wiretap was aimed at the spy, not Harman, however it doesn’t really change the dynamic - Harman may have know who she was speaking with, but did she know this person was a spy? And, who released the transcripts, will the release jeopardize any investigation/indictments? Did the “releaser” interfere with this investigation? These questions are still pertinent.

]]> By: doug http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192333 doug Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:06:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192333 <i>I don’t know but your post reminded me of something I came across yesterday. Its an article about Rahm receiving a letter last week from an Israeli.</i> So what if Rahm gets a letter from an Israeli. It probably isn't the first. What the govt. spooks must do is protect aganst spys and covert agents of influence, not overt ones which are just part and parcel of internatonal relations and generic lobbying. Since Israel sees Iran as an existential threat and states so repeatedly, one would certainly expect a full court press to get the US to deal with Iran on terms favorable to Israel. There is considerable, but not complete overlap between Israeli and American interests. The US just needs to be sure we have a foreign policy based on our overall interests. No doubt Iran would love to drive a wedge between the US and Israel and with potentially much greater harm to American interests so counterintel ops are even more critical there. I don’t know but your post reminded me of something I came across yesterday. Its an article about Rahm receiving a letter last week from an Israeli.

So what if Rahm gets a letter from an Israeli. It probably isn’t the first. What the govt. spooks must do is protect aganst spys and covert agents of influence, not overt ones which are just part and parcel of internatonal relations and generic lobbying.

Since Israel sees Iran as an existential threat and states so repeatedly, one would certainly expect a full court press to get the US to deal with Iran on terms favorable to Israel. There is considerable, but not complete overlap between Israeli and American interests. The US just needs to be sure we have a foreign policy based on our overall interests. No doubt Iran would love to drive a wedge between the US and Israel and with potentially much greater harm to American interests so counterintel ops are even more critical there.

]]> By: Mary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192313 Mary Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:54:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192313 It's not Rahm. It's a huge California fundraiser with dual citizenship (US, Israel) who offered the deal to Harman that if she helped slow down the investigation of the 2 AIPAC employees accused of spying, he would "influence" Pelosi's chairmanship appointment by withholding fund-raising efforts for Pelosi's re-election if she didn't pick Harman. THAT is what Harman agreed to; it makes her no different than Blago. In fact, it makes her WORSE. NYTimes article has his name----I just can't remember it. It’s not Rahm.

It’s a huge California fundraiser with dual citizenship (US, Israel) who offered the deal to Harman that if she helped slow down the investigation of the 2 AIPAC employees accused of spying, he would “influence” Pelosi’s chairmanship appointment by withholding fund-raising efforts for Pelosi’s re-election if she didn’t pick Harman.

THAT is what Harman agreed to; it makes her no different than Blago. In fact, it makes her WORSE.

NYTimes article has his name—-I just can’t remember it.

]]> By: Mary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192307 Mary Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:49:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192307 You're not wrong. The wiretap was approved by the FISA court, under pre-Bush law, to tap the Israeli agent for AIPAC (dual citizenship) in peddling influence in our government. No one expected Jane Harman to be on the phone line. But SHE wasn't being tapped. The dual citizenship Israeli was being tapped, and completely legally. You’re not wrong.

The wiretap was approved by the FISA court, under pre-Bush law, to tap the Israeli agent for AIPAC (dual citizenship) in peddling influence in our government.

No one expected Jane Harman to be on the phone line.

But SHE wasn’t being tapped. The dual citizenship Israeli was being tapped, and completely legally.

]]> By: Mary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192304 Mary Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:44:47 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192304 Well, if Harman is bargaining for a committee chairmanship by SUPPORTING the Bush wiretapping program publicly, and influencing papers NOT to report on that wiretapping until after the 2004 election in order to gain that chairmanship.... Then she DESERVES to be destroyed. Did she think she wouldn't get caught? Well, if Harman is bargaining for a committee chairmanship by SUPPORTING the Bush wiretapping program publicly, and influencing papers NOT to report on that wiretapping until after the 2004 election in order to gain that chairmanship….

Then she DESERVES to be destroyed.

Did she think she wouldn’t get caught?

]]> By: Mary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192300 Mary Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:42:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192300 Nobody set Harman up. The LEGAL wiretap, approved by the FISA court under appropriate law, was for the Israeli operative (dual citizenship) with whom she was speaking. The SURPRISE was to find Jane Harman on the other end of the phone, and that at the end of the bargaining conversation, she whispered, "This conversation never happened." She set herself up, by speaking same on an open line. Nobody set Harman up.

The LEGAL wiretap, approved by the FISA court under appropriate law, was for the Israeli operative (dual citizenship) with whom she was speaking.

The SURPRISE was to find Jane Harman on the other end of the phone, and that at the end of the bargaining conversation, she whispered, “This conversation never happened.”

She set herself up, by speaking same on an open line.

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192217 Docelder Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:06:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192217 No McCain made his bed when he folded and showed up for the first debate. Had he stuck to his word, the dialogue would have shifted from there not being a debate and onto the economy, which McCain would have established the high ground on. McCain blinked and lost... not even sacrificing Palin could save him in the end. Yes, I voted for McCain. Yes, the crisis was manufactured. Yes he was unfairly campaigned against as George Bush... all of that. But he lost that election on his own as well. He had nothing to lose and everything to gain... and he gained nothing from it. No McCain made his bed when he folded and showed up for the first debate. Had he stuck to his word, the dialogue would have shifted from there not being a debate and onto the economy, which McCain would have established the high ground on. McCain blinked and lost… not even sacrificing Palin could save him in the end. Yes, I voted for McCain. Yes, the crisis was manufactured. Yes he was unfairly campaigned against as George Bush… all of that. But he lost that election on his own as well. He had nothing to lose and everything to gain… and he gained nothing from it.

]]> By: Ladydawnelle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192212 Ladydawnelle Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:00:17 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192212 HI IMUSTPROTEST!! ;-) HI IMUSTPROTEST!! ;-)

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192206 Docelder Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:53:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192206 The far right has no power now at all now. They are irrelevant, hence their decision to play it passive aggressive and give Obama to the rest of us. Just as the far left had no power for eight years. That is the point. We are on some kind of a roller coaster ride where the hills and valleys just keep getting taller and deeper and no controls are there to slow it down. The whole thing is going to crash unless sensible moderate people make it stop. Neither the far right or the far left deserve any power, as they don't know how to graciously use it. The two "parties" are the same in that their main concern is their own perpetuation and propaganda dissemination. Middle America is without any effective representation right now... yes, we have a statutory representation... dot the i's and cross the t's we have representatives... but they don't really care or represent middle America anymore. I have carried a republican card for years, mostly out of libertarian and fiscal conservative tendencies more than anything else. I have never been a hard line republican. If I had to take the far right over the far left... well I have been there and done that. Unless the republican party centers and disavows the far right, or until there is a new centrist party that emerges... I may never vote again in my life. What is the point? The far right has no power now at all now. They are irrelevant, hence their decision to play it passive aggressive and give Obama to the rest of us. Just as the far left had no power for eight years. That is the point. We are on some kind of a roller coaster ride where the hills and valleys just keep getting taller and deeper and no controls are there to slow it down. The whole thing is going to crash unless sensible moderate people make it stop. Neither the far right or the far left deserve any power, as they don’t know how to graciously use it. The two “parties” are the same in that their main concern is their own perpetuation and propaganda dissemination. Middle America is without any effective representation right now… yes, we have a statutory representation… dot the i’s and cross the t’s we have representatives… but they don’t really care or represent middle America anymore. I have carried a republican card for years, mostly out of libertarian and fiscal conservative tendencies more than anything else. I have never been a hard line republican. If I had to take the far right over the far left… well I have been there and done that. Unless the republican party centers and disavows the far right, or until there is a new centrist party that emerges… I may never vote again in my life. What is the point?

]]> By: Baba Rum Raisin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192090 Baba Rum Raisin Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:55:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192090 Bring back Wilbur Mills, Fanny Fox, Liz Ray and the rest of the ding-dongs of the 70's. Bring back Wilbur Mills, Fanny Fox, Liz Ray and the rest of the ding-dongs of the 70’s.

]]> By: Baba Rum Raisin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192088 Baba Rum Raisin Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:48:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192088 This looks like they're either telegraphing the punch, or they're cobbling up a huge BOOGA-BOOGA for regional and domestic consumption. Or, even more likely, trying to stampede US, UK and/or France into turning up the pressure on the Iranians. If you plan to kick someone's ass, you don't threaten, you just do it. This looks like they’re either telegraphing the punch, or they’re cobbling up a huge BOOGA-BOOGA for regional and domestic consumption.

Or, even more likely, trying to stampede US, UK and/or France into turning up the pressure on the Iranians.

If you plan to kick someone’s ass, you don’t threaten, you just do it.

]]> By: CentralMass http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192059 CentralMass Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:38:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192059 The only soloution I see is to keep voting against them. Give the next one a term, then vote them out. The only soloution I see is to keep voting against them. Give the next one a term, then vote them out.

]]> By: CentralMass http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192055 CentralMass Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192055 Some of us did try. I voted for Kerry's democratic challenger during the primariy and then voted for his Republican opponent in the main election. Kerry ended up winning by >60%. I plan to vote against incumbents again in 2012. Some of us did try. I voted for Kerry’s democratic challenger during the primariy and then voted for his Republican opponent in the main election. Kerry ended up winning by >60%.

I plan to vote against incumbents again in 2012.

]]> By: viking http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192049 viking Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:18:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192049 I don't know but your post reminded me of something I came across yesterday. Its an article about Rahm receiving a letter last week from an Israeli. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1239710730438 I don’t know but your post reminded me of something I came across yesterday. Its an article about Rahm receiving a letter last week from an Israeli.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1239710730438

]]> By: elise http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192024 elise Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:16:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192024 That is exactly the problem with warrantless wiretaps pcmoore. There is no oversight and the possibility of extortion and blackmail is always there. We are supposed to have three branches of government, but the judicial branch is being bypassed and ignored by Bush first and now by Obama. Laws have been broken and no one is held accountable. Will Harman have to answer for what amounts to treason? Probably not. That is exactly the problem with warrantless wiretaps pcmoore. There is no oversight and the possibility of extortion and blackmail is always there. We are supposed to have three branches of government, but the judicial branch is being bypassed and ignored by Bush first and now by Obama. Laws have been broken and no one is held accountable. Will Harman have to answer for what amounts to treason? Probably not.

]]> By: SiliconDoc http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192020 SiliconDoc Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:07:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192020 This whole thing is a total non story on anything. Justice will do what it does on the two spies they want to prosecute wether or not Jane Harman "waddles in" and begs them to go easy on the two. The story also says " a suspected Iraeli agent" - so in other words, those claiming Harman did something wrong, the big secret black op intel know it alls, cannot even themselves confirm she was talking to "a foreign agent" and admittedly are only guessing - somewhat suspicious. This leaves Dear Jane in the absolute dark... about "foreign agent". DUH. In reading a link, the backstory is this supposed "crime" was going to be "prosecuted" by "the Bush bots" but they needed Jane for "wire tap support" so they cut her loose... and let her fight for their wiretapping. YEAH, SURE.... The supposed agent... The supposed waddling The supposed "she signed on to be let off" The SHE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ANYWAY. ___________ Now it's a crime to give your opinion on some stupid case after you waddle into justice doing it, if some poor sap crying for their mercy thinks "it might help". This sounds like an OBAMA PLOT to me, to get you people all worked up. This whole thing is a total non story on anything.
Justice will do what it does on the two spies they want to prosecute wether or not Jane Harman “waddles in” and begs them to go easy on the two.
The story also says ” a suspected Iraeli agent” - so in other words, those claiming Harman did something wrong, the big secret black op intel know it alls, cannot even themselves confirm she was talking to “a foreign agent” and admittedly are only guessing - somewhat suspicious.
This leaves Dear Jane in the absolute dark… about “foreign agent”.
DUH.
In reading a link, the backstory is this supposed “crime” was going to be “prosecuted” by “the Bush bots” but they needed Jane for “wire tap support” so they cut her loose… and let her fight for their wiretapping.
YEAH, SURE….
The supposed agent…
The supposed waddling
The supposed “she signed on to be let off”
The SHE CAN’T DO ANYTHING ANYWAY.
___________

Now it’s a crime to give your opinion on some stupid case after you waddle into justice doing it, if some poor sap crying for their mercy thinks “it might help”.
This sounds like an OBAMA PLOT to me, to get you people all worked up.

]]> By: pcmoore28 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/21/harman-selling-out-america/#comment-1192019 pcmoore28 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:03:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=22081#comment-1192019 The information gained from the wiretap was used to "gain" her vote on the FISA bill. While I agree that intercept of telephone calls with foreign nationals is important to our national security, when the information gained is used to coerce votes from members of Congress, something is seriously wrong and it borders on illegal.... Is how Bush got so many democrats to vote along with so many of his crazy policies....did he have dirt on all of them. What Blago did was childs play compared to this. Harmon should be censured and removed from office. The information gained from the wiretap was used to “gain” her vote on the FISA bill. While I agree that intercept of telephone calls with foreign nationals is important to our national security, when the information gained is used to coerce votes from members of Congress, something is seriously wrong and it borders on illegal….
Is how Bush got so many democrats to vote along with so many of his crazy policies….did he have dirt on all of them.

What Blago did was childs play compared to this. Harmon should be censured and removed from office.

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