Is Pakistan Fighting Back Against Taliban?
By SusanUnPC on April 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM in AfPak Border, Asia, CNN, India, Media Handling of Story, Nuclear weapons, Pakistan, Taliban
The U.S. has spent billions to arm the Pakistani army and police, and contributed thousands of manhours training the troops. Yet the Pakistanis are sending in token police and soldiers to fight the Taliban, and rapidly ceding large areas:
As I write this, the CNN video and transcript aren’t up, so I typed as Fareed Zakaria talked to Anderson Cooper: The Pakistani military “does not want to fight this war. [The military] has been in a state of denial,” he continued. The Pakistani military has been too focused on planning a war with India on the Eastern frontier. “That’s the war they know, that’s the war they’re comfortable with. Big conventional deployment,” Zakaria said. “This is a much more complicated guerilla war, a complex insurgency. They don’t want to fight this. Their whole training has been for the war against India. They get a huge budget for a war with India. They don’t know counter-insurgency, and don’t want to embrace this war of counter-insurgency. First, you actually have to fight this war. Secondly, they think they might lose,” and they can’t risk humiliation. Zakaria said that’s what the peace deals were about: to avoid confronting the elephant in the room. “But this is now the moment of truth for the Pakistani military,” Zakaria said. [Editor's Note: Thanks to PM317 for sending me a better map of the region.]
Zakaria believes the Taliban can’t take over the capital and the nuclear arsenal, but that their increasing control will permit more terrorist cells and Al Qaeda regrouping. “Remember, every single terrorist attack since 9/11 that has had some roots in South Asia has NOT had them in Afghanistan. It has been in the Pakistani tribal areas. … If they get more and more territory, more and more freedom of action, this is very bad news.” (Zakaria’s Q&A notes that analysts are concerned about a collapse of Pakistan.)
Meanwhile, the Taliban in the Swat Valley are beheading Pakistani soldiers and publishing the video to attract followers and terrify Pakistanis. (The stomach-churning video is here. Think hard before you view the video.) Besides the Taliban’s unspeakable acts against Pakistani soldiers, Swat Valley has become a nightmare for women who are beaten regularly for miniscule infractions.
Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly are consumed with proving how tough (MANLY!) they are on torture, defending Dick Cheney (because he did stroke Hannity’s ego by giving him a two-part interview!), and opining that waterboarding isn’t torture. Thursday night, Hannity devoted an entire segment to the Levi Johnston/Sarah Palin tabloid saga as if it were news. Pakistan? The Taliban? Neither came up.
Obama and his media crew must laugh themselves silly over how easy it is to divert the rightwing media away from the administration’s most terrifying problems: Find an issue that triggers the hosts’ manly egos. Even The Drudge Report lists only one story, towards the bottom of the right column, below Larry King’s interview of Levi Johnston: “CLINTON: Pakistan ‘mortal threat’ to world, as Taliban surge towards Islamabad…. Priorities, priorities.
WAKE UP, Fox News and CNN! MSNBC, you’re irrelevant. As Allahpundit writes at Hot Air, IT IS “Time to start freaking out about Pakistan“
Reuters reports that the impotent Pakistani government may reconsider its stance on Sharia law — failing to comprehend that that ship has already sailed! Do they really think the Taliban will cooperatively cede the power they’ve been given? Uh, no!
Pakistan to review sharia law
(02:02) Report
Apr 23 - After Hillary Clinton says Pakistan’s government has ‘abdicated’ to the Taliban, Pakistan’s PM seeks to portray a firm grip on pro-Islamist elements.
Did Pakistan really think that the Taliban would honor the pact and lay down their arms? Are they that naive and weak-willed?
Admiral Mike Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, spoke Thursday afternoon with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on the U.S.’s efforts to contain the areas that are “safe havens” for extremists like the Taliban:
As my daddy used to say, “The shit’s going to hit the fan” in Pakistan UNLESS something is done. That government is pathetically weak. Somebody’s got to intervene.
The BIG picture focus: Those nukes held by that namby-pamby government. I’m glad that Zakaria doesn’t think the Taliban can grab control of the government or the nukes. But it could be wishful thinking. Let’s hope he’s correct. The Taliban are now only 60 miles from Islamabad and sectors of Punjab where nuke controls are held.
Obama made a speech about the counterterrorism needs for Afghanistan and Pakistan, in which he said:
“Al Qaeda and other violent extremists have killed several thousand Pakistanis since 9/11. They have killed many Pakistani soldiers and police. They assassinated [former Pakistani Prime Minister] Benazir Bhutto. They have blown up buildings, derailed foreign investment and threatened the stability of the state. Make no mistake: Al Qaeda and its extremist allies are a cancer that risks killing Pakistan from within.”
Yes, we know, Mr. Obama. Now do something about it.
The Associated Press has a fuller description of the history of the Taliban incursion into Pakistan and the Pakistani government’s weak response (as well as the ridiculous attempts to make deals with extremists who have NO interest in honoring their part of the bargain). Here’s a short section from that A.P. story, “Taliban move to new Pakistan area ups peace doubts“:
U.S. special envoy Richard Holbrooke talked to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari by telephone Thursday, but the president’s office would not say if Swat or Buner were discussed. The chairman of the U.S. military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, was visiting Pakistan.
As reports filtered out about Taliban fighters moving into Buner — that they were patrolling roads, broadcasting radio sermons and ordering barbers to stop shaving beards — the government sent six platoons from the paramilitary Frontier Constabulary to the district this week.From the UK Independent: A Pakistani barber looks out from his shop window in the Buner district. The words are a warning scrawled by the Taliban and read: 'Do not shave'
Government official Syed Mohammed Javed confirmed the deployment but would not comment on the troops’ purpose. Javed did not specify the number sent; a platoon typically has 30 to 50 members.
The troops were dispatched Wednesday, Javed said. Unidentified gunmen opened fire on one of the convoys Thursday, killing an escorting police officer and wounding another in the Totalai area, said Hukam Khan, a police official.
How much force the government was willing to display remained unclear, especially after the army’s spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, insisted the situation in Buner was not as dire as some felt. He said militants controlled less than 25 percent of the district, mostly its north.
“We are fully aware of the situation,” Abbas said. “The other side has been informed to move these people out of this area.”
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani insisted no group would be allowed to challenge the authority of the government, but a few lawmakers — including some who initially backed the peace deal with the Swat Taliban — said the administration had to do more to contain extremists.
“If the other party is not able to give us peace and expanding themselves to Buner and Shangla, then it is the government’s duty to use its full strength to stop their expansion,” said Haji Mohammad Adeel, a top member of the party that leads the provincial government in the northwest and entered into the accord in the first place.
The provincial government agreed to the peace deal in February, but the president signed off on it only last week, under strong pressure from the national legislature.
The accord covers Swat, Buner, Shangla and other districts in the Malakand Division, an area of about 10,000 square miles (25,900 square kilometers) near the Afghan border and the tribal areas where al-Qaida and the Taliban have strongholds.
Supporters have said the deal takes away the militants’ main rallying call for Islamic law and will let the government gradually reassert control — a theory yet to be seriously tested.
Analysts said Buner is a wake-up call for a Pakistani government that has often seemed weak-willed in dealing with insurgents. But, they said, Islamabad is not in danger now.
“The military is going to be the major impediment” to taking the capital, said Hasan Askari-Rizvi, a leading political analyst. Still, he said, sympathizers in the capital could use the Buner advance as a rallying cry to cause unrest.More than a half million people live in Buner.
On Thursday, the bazaar in Buner’s main town of Daggar and the road into the district were almost deserted, a visiting AP Television News reporter found. Police and government officials in Buner appeared to have either fled or were keeping a low profile, and there was no sign of Frontier Constabulary troops in the town.
The meeting of tribal elders and the Taliban in Daggar ended without notice the militants would leave.
A Taliban leader who goes by the name “Commander Khalil” said the militants agreed to stop patrolling in Buner, though they would keep armed guards in their vehicles.
“Pakistan scrambles to repel Taliban advance,” published in The Independent, enumerates the concerns of leaders, from Robert Gates to a worried Punjabi politician:
Fears of a threat to the Pakistani state have never seriously been entertained within the country – until now. “Pakistan is on the precipice, we are really worried,” said one Punjabi opposition politician. “We are worried about Swat, the tribal areas, and beyond. The Taliban are making their way into Punjab.”
Besides the concern of many experts, reports Zakaria, that the Pakistani government is about to collapse, the subtitle of the Independent story says it all about the Pakistani government’s weak response:
Swat Valley peace deal blamed as government forces come under fire from insurgents 60 miles from capital
Memo to PBO: You can’t win hearts and minds by shaking hands and smiling broadly with extremists hell-bent on destroying you. You have to KICK BUTT (Smartly, of course. Always smartly.)











































Pictures showed everyone was cheering when the Soviet Union broke up…except for those skeptics who wondered, who will control the Nukes now? Watch for BO’s extended trip abroad…that’s when the Taliban will be in Karachi, and the missiles will be pointed at us.
Taliban can take control of Pakistan: Editorial
Islamabad, April 17 (IANS) With the Taliban positioned in cities across Pakistan, they can achieve their “proclaimed goal” of bringing the entire country under their control, an editorial in a leading English daily said Friday.
“The Taliban are now positioned in cities across the land, in every province. They have the weaponry, the training and the motivation to carry through their proclaimed goal of bringing the entire country under their control,” The News said in an editorial headlined “Game, set and match”.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/politics/taliban-can-take-control-of-pakistan-editorial_100181089.html
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We are under a news blackout…they have known this since the 17th of April…
They won’t be “pointed at us” - Pakistan doesn’t have any nuclear-capable missiles with sufficient range to reach the US. India, however, is another matter entirely, as are populated areas of Afghanistan.
Why is the media so silent on this war? Troops are moving from Iraq and into Afghan, yet its like nothing is happening.
I am sure if Bush was in the WH this would of been daily news, are there no casualties nothing at all. I am even amazed at all the people that have loved ones in all these areas, seems even they are silent on what is going on.
The Media/Press died in 2008. We are at the mercy of the foreign press and the internet. This has got to be the biggest concern since the Cuban Missile Crisis and everyone is talking about Levi and his non-sense.
I have been very, very upset as I wouldn’t trust the Taliban with my tea kettle much less nuclear weapons. God Help us, we might be seeing the start of World War Three. What will India do when the Taliban take over?
You can’t find much on this story anywhere. They mention it here and there but nothing really seriously.
Its almost as if the torture memos were released to keep the media focused on something else. The way things are going there it could be matter of weeks before a full scale war breaks out in Pakistan.
Is the ‘Taleban’ the New Moderate Taliban? This just up at the BBC:
The Taleban say they are withdrawing from a Pakistani district where their consolidation of power this week has caused deep concern in the US.
A Taleban spokesman said commander Maulana Fazlullah had issued the order for fighters to pull back from Buner, just 100km (62 miles) from Islamabad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8015949.stm
This was known in the foreign press since the 13th of April.
John Smith said:
“It’s almost as if the torture memos were released to keep the media focused on something else.”
You think? I read a brief piece yesterday [over at CNN, I think] that one of our newly arrived units in Iraq was given immediate orders to pack up because they were being shipped out to Afghanistan. Very fishy. Something’s going on. And leave it to the press to bark up the wrong tree.
It isn’t all collective amnesia. There are related stories on the cover of the NY Times and Washington Post. And that still means something.
Pakistan has already lost to the Taliban. They made concessions, wimped out. Pakistan belongs to Taliban, it just hasn’t been officially mentioned yet.
Either somebody else helps Pakistan or it’s over.
Oh great…..back to this again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixy5FBLnh7o&feature=related
Yup, I remember those clips, where the alarms went off at school and we were told to hold on to our desks and duck and cover(I hated the part of them not telling us until much later that it was a drill). Until I saw the film of the nuclear explosion and saw the building flying into oblivion, then I knew my little desk wasn’t going to do a DARN THING!
I never wanted my children or my grandchildren to live with the fear that we did of nuclear weapons in the hands of nuts. Yes, nuts, because there is nothing Moderate about the Taliban…nothing at all. If you believe there are Moderate Taliban, then you must believe in Big Foot too.
Yes, Ronald Reagan took that fear from our children. In 100 days, Obama has resurrected it. The worst part of it is that is was all for nothing. It was all for a worthless political agenda. Spread fear, divide and then shift that fear from a small segment of the population into hate towards the rest of the population. He is community organizing the country. Why anybody thought he had anything better in him is beyond me. All he is, is what he is and nothing more. He is Alinsky, scared on the inside and vindictive on the outside.
Reagan took that fear from our children by striking fear in our enemies. It wasn’t fear that they would simply be attacked, but that retaliation would be swift and harsh if they were stupid enough to attack us. Gaddafi was taught a lesson, and we haven’t heard much from him since.
0bama’s most recent exposure to the world has no doubt encouraged all the evil forces hiding in their spider holes to emerge and look for easy prey, because they have no fear of the little pansy who now controls the world’s greatest military. The momentum that is now developing toward global calamity must be stopped NOW, or it will be too late. 0bama is too much of a chicken shit, (please remember that wimpy picture if him on his bicycle and ask yourself if you could be intimidated by THAT?) the whole world saw this, so it is not possible for him to erase the first impression of he gave as a kow-towing weenie, and create the impression that he is a force to be reckoned with.
The importance of the first 100 days is that it is a clear indication of the nature of the man’s ability to perform the job, and the trajectory that his presidency will take. It’s also important in the first 100 days to show the world whether you’re a warrior or a wussy. I have a pretty good idea which one our enemies think our President is.
and the tooth fairy..
Let Pakistan fall. It is a failed state. We should not put money in a failed state. Let other countries do their bit. When the threat of nuclear weapons in terrorists hands becomes real, perhaps UN, NATO, Europe, Russia, China will wake up.
I would think India would be most concerned about this.
Then let them do something about it. Let them neutralize those nukes before the taliban gets them
Well, if the Taliban did take over the capital of Pakistan (while the government hands power over to them) it would be no surprise if India did take some action. With the Taliban at the switch, who knows who they would target, but for sure, we would be on the list.
That’s asking for World War III since both nations have nukes. That is one of the worst possibilities.
Yes, but our press/media is more concerned with who Levi is dating…
Levi never was relevant but for his connection to the Palin family. Once the Palins are trashed, so goes his meal ticket with them. Something Obama might think about. His relevance lies in our power as a nation. Once he trivializes that, then he himself becomes trivial along with it. This is his country too. And I would add, no matter how European he sees himself… This is the only country he has got or will likely ever have. Europe might like what he has done to us… but they will not respect him for having done it.
yeah..like who gives a flying fig who he dates.
And the Taliban is their common enemy.
I haven’t had time to scan through all the latest reporting, but when the life of your country is hanging by a thread, a Pakistan Army afraid of humiliation or unprepared for guerrilla fights excuse just doesn’t hold water.
Can’t find anything on Pakistan on Memeorandum’s headlines either
They don’t want anyone to panic, especially all the young voters that voted for Obama like my nephews (first to go in the draft).
I’m wondering if the Taliban retreat to the Swat Valley had anything to do with the Pakistani army. From the little bit I was able to find yesterday, the Pakistanis sent a small force from the Frontier guard and they were not armed very well. And yet, I understand that the Pakistani army as a whole numbers in the 500,000 range. So, the response is still tepid at best. Taliban numbers are estimated at 6-8000.
Is it possible that this Taliban excursion was a “foot in the water” operation to see what [if any] resistence they would meet? Or is something else going?
I have heard speculation the military response is purposely tepid. Allowing some chaos and fear… but not too much so that it’s uncontrolable later…. so a military coup would be welcomed at a future point. Too much cash and the associated graft flows thru Pakistan from foreign aid for the Army to let go of that cash cow so easily.
Since they have nukes- Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I sure as hell don’t know.
I don’t think the U.S. could claim surprise over this development. In the past the Taliban has mounted an offensive every Spring, so I guess this year they moved east instead of west. I certainly hope we are prepared in some way to deal with this contingency.
I can’t believe the lack of coverage of these events, and now the Obama SCAMpaign is releasing more photographs of detainee abuse. Why? I think we all get it: Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld=bad. What possible good could it do to release more photos?
It is too keep the press busy so they won’t cover the bail outs and the thing in Pakistan.
Taliban Advances in Pakistan
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june09/taliban_04-23.html
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Well, at least the local people tried to resist, even if the government isn’t showing as much resolve, for what ever reason.
News Hour (live stream)
Concerns Mount Over Pakistan’s Security Amid Taliban Advance
MARGARET WARNER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervez_Musharraf
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They want to take control of all of Pakistan. This interview by Margaret Warner is very insightful.
News Hour (live stream)
Concerns Mount Over Pakistan’s Security Amid Taliban Advance
MARGARET WARNER
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/module.html?mod=0&pkg=23042009&seg=6
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They want to take control of all of Pakistan. This interview by Margaret Warner is very insightful.
OK, I had to type in the link to the video stream…sorry for the prior one. This one works!
Concerns Mount Over Pakistan’s Security Amid Taliban Advance
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/module.html?mod=0&pkg=23042009&seg=6
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A member of the Pakistani government is explaining the deal with the ‘Taliban’ and says in essence that they will cancel the deal?!? “The people of Pakistan do not want Taliban rule”…
PLEASE, I know you warned us, but yikes, that looks like some poor soul being beheaded. Oh, I don’t want to see any beheading as I just think that it is beyond cruel…I couldn’t watch, once I figured it out.
I saw part of that video last night, and it made me go weak in the knees. These Taliban are brutal BRUTAL people.
nothing moderate about them.nothing..
Who are they trying to attract…the Jeffrey Dahmer’s of the world?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
The Taliban are very sick people, very sick indeed, conceding power to them is a grave mistake.
Do you think Pakistan is in a situation to attack on India?? No, not at all.. If Pakistani Govt & Military think about it, then that day would be the last day when you’d see pakistan on the geographical map of the world.