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		<title>By: Dwayne Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1298057</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwayne Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why are we arguing about this..the question isn&#039;t whether or not prosecutions will be seen as partisan. Nor is it a question of whether or not our government might get mired down in the process. The question is whether or not atrocious crimes were commited and whether or not we are a nation where no one is above the law. The fact that both parties seem to be implicated in these crimes is the very reason for the foot dragging to see that justice and the law are upheld, and this is merely&#160;adding more crimes (additional conspiracies) to the ones already commited.&#160;It may be a valid concern that there has been no precedent where a new administration has prosecuted a previous one, but some crimes over-ride political concerns. These polititions have sworn to uphold the laws of the land, if they do not, they are guilty of ignoring their oath as well.

I also wrote my Senator (Lugar) about this. I also got a very prompt reply where he danced around the issue by thanking me for my support of S.147 -&#160;a bill to ban torture. The Constitution and the Geneva Convention already does that. The problem isn&#039;t that no law exists (and must be enacted) the problem is that no one will enforce the law that is already in place.

I too wrote back to my Senator (Lugar) elaborating that my concern was not passing a law, but holding those accountable that had violated existing laws - I too have recieved no reply.

Senator Lugar is sorely mistaken if he thinks I will just go away. If he will not reply, I will write him daily untill he does..if he continues to ignore me, I will write every newspaper in the State of Indiana with a request that he respond to my questions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are we arguing about this..the question isn&#8217;t whether or not prosecutions will be seen as partisan. Nor is it a question of whether or not our government might get mired down in the process. The question is whether or not atrocious crimes were commited and whether or not we are a nation where no one is above the law. The fact that both parties seem to be implicated in these crimes is the very reason for the foot dragging to see that justice and the law are upheld, and this is merely&nbsp;adding more crimes (additional conspiracies) to the ones already commited.&nbsp;It may be a valid concern that there has been no precedent where a new administration has prosecuted a previous one, but some crimes over-ride political concerns. These polititions have sworn to uphold the laws of the land, if they do not, they are guilty of ignoring their oath as well.</p>
<p>I also wrote my Senator (Lugar) about this. I also got a very prompt reply where he danced around the issue by thanking me for my support of S.147 -&nbsp;a bill to ban torture. The Constitution and the Geneva Convention already does that. The problem isn&#8217;t that no law exists (and must be enacted) the problem is that no one will enforce the law that is already in place.</p>
<p>I too wrote back to my Senator (Lugar) elaborating that my concern was not passing a law, but holding those accountable that had violated existing laws &#8211; I too have recieved no reply.</p>
<p>Senator Lugar is sorely mistaken if he thinks I will just go away. If he will not reply, I will write him daily untill he does..if he continues to ignore me, I will write every newspaper in the State of Indiana with a request that he respond to my questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1201578</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please folks  - this is a must read - a very significant article - just out today by John Bolton



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050502884.html

snip 1 - President Obama&#039;s passivity before the threatened foreign prosecution of Bush administration officials achieves by inaction what he fears doing directly. This may be smart politics within the Democratic Party, but it risks grave long-term damage to the United States. Ironically, it could also come back to bite future Obama administration alumni, including the president, for their current policies in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. 

snip 2 Spanish Magistrate Baltasar Garzón opened a formal investigation last week of six Bush administration lawyers for their roles in advising on interrogation techniques. Garzón did so over the objections of Spain&#039;s attorney general, as he did in 1998 in proceeding against former Chilean president Augusto Pinochet. Under Spain&#039;s inquisitorial judicial system, Garzón is essentially unaccountable, whatever the views of Spain&#039;s elected government. 

Snip 3 - Asked repeatedly about Garzón&#039;s investigation, the State Department has said only that it is a matter for the Spanish judicial system. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder went further, implying that the Obama administration could cooperate. &quot;Obviously, we would look at any request that would come from a court in any country and see how and whether we should comply with it,&quot; Holder said. This is deeply troubling. Obama appears to be following the John Ehrlichman approach, letting the U.S. lawyers &quot;twist slowly, slowly in the wind.&quot;

Snip 4 - Although the six lawyers are in a precarious position, they are only intermediate targets. The real targets are President Bush and his most senior advisers, and the real aim is to intimidate U.S. officials into refraining from making hard but necessary decisions to protect our national security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please folks  &#8211; this is a must read &#8211; a very significant article &#8211; just out today by John Bolton</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050502884.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050502884.html</a></p>
<p>snip 1 &#8211; President Obama&#8217;s passivity before the threatened foreign prosecution of Bush administration officials achieves by inaction what he fears doing directly. This may be smart politics within the Democratic Party, but it risks grave long-term damage to the United States. Ironically, it could also come back to bite future Obama administration alumni, including the president, for their current policies in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. </p>
<p>snip 2 Spanish Magistrate Baltasar Garzón opened a formal investigation last week of six Bush administration lawyers for their roles in advising on interrogation techniques. Garzón did so over the objections of Spain&#8217;s attorney general, as he did in 1998 in proceeding against former Chilean president Augusto Pinochet. Under Spain&#8217;s inquisitorial judicial system, Garzón is essentially unaccountable, whatever the views of Spain&#8217;s elected government. </p>
<p>Snip 3 &#8211; Asked repeatedly about Garzón&#8217;s investigation, the State Department has said only that it is a matter for the Spanish judicial system. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder went further, implying that the Obama administration could cooperate. &#8220;Obviously, we would look at any request that would come from a court in any country and see how and whether we should comply with it,&#8221; Holder said. This is deeply troubling. Obama appears to be following the John Ehrlichman approach, letting the U.S. lawyers &#8220;twist slowly, slowly in the wind.&#8221;</p>
<p>Snip 4 &#8211; Although the six lawyers are in a precarious position, they are only intermediate targets. The real targets are President Bush and his most senior advisers, and the real aim is to intimidate U.S. officials into refraining from making hard but necessary decisions to protect our national security.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;The Campaign&#8217;s Over, Obama; It&#8217;s Time To Lead&#8221; : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1198347</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;The Campaign&#8217;s Over, Obama; It&#8217;s Time To Lead&#8221; : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of my fellow writers at No Quarter have taken this on, including none other than Larry Johnson, American Girl In Italy, and SusanUnPC, to name a few. No need for me to get into that with such stellar writers already [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of my fellow writers at No Quarter have taken this on, including none other than Larry Johnson, American Girl In Italy, and SusanUnPC, to name a few. No need for me to get into that with such stellar writers already [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1197209</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are aware that Reagan prosecuted a Texas sheriff and 3 deputies for waterboarding to extract confessions?
http://www.alternet.org/rights/138600/reagan%27s_doj_prosecuted_texas_sheriff_for_waterboarding_prisoners/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are aware that Reagan prosecuted a Texas sheriff and 3 deputies for waterboarding to extract confessions?<br />
<a href="http://www.alternet.org/rights/138600/reagan%27s_doj_prosecuted_texas_sheriff_for_waterboarding_prisoners/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/rights/138600/reagan%27s_doj_prosecuted_texas_sheriff_for_waterboarding_prisoners/</a></p>
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		<title>By: beebop</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196659</link>
		<dc:creator>beebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with generalizing is that it&#039;s stupid.

Really stupid.

Oh.  Right.  That&#039;s just what you do.

Not everyone here believes, behaves and manifests what you think.  

Deal with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with generalizing is that it&#8217;s stupid.</p>
<p>Really stupid.</p>
<p>Oh.  Right.  That&#8217;s just what you do.</p>
<p>Not everyone here believes, behaves and manifests what you think.  </p>
<p>Deal with that.</p>
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		<title>By: glennmcgahee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196655</link>
		<dc:creator>glennmcgahee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to remember the days and weeks after 911. I sure remember the flags hanging off all the cars. The calls from most Americans to &quot;get the Muslims&quot;. It was one of the most deranged group think episodes I had ever experienced. We didn&#039;t even know what had actually happened, yet, everyone was chanting for payback against someone, anyone. Remember when we invaded Iraq. Remember the embeds, all the reporters riding Humvees reporting as if they too were soldiers fighting on the battlefield and we all watched realtime as if it was just a video game. The media sure did a great job of cheerleading then. But lets go way back to one of Obama&#039;s heroes. That would be Ronald Reagan and the Iran Contra mess. I remember that too. Congress had specifically banned the US from selling weapons to South and Central America by refusing to fund it (the power of the purse), so Reagan sold arms to Iran. They then took the proceeds from those arm sales and gave the money to the Guerillas in Central America to help overthrow their Democratically elected government. There were no hearings. Immunity was granted to everyone. We had provided Iran with arms yet Reagan was considered the greatest. Just ask Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to remember the days and weeks after 911. I sure remember the flags hanging off all the cars. The calls from most Americans to &#8220;get the Muslims&#8221;. It was one of the most deranged group think episodes I had ever experienced. We didn&#8217;t even know what had actually happened, yet, everyone was chanting for payback against someone, anyone. Remember when we invaded Iraq. Remember the embeds, all the reporters riding Humvees reporting as if they too were soldiers fighting on the battlefield and we all watched realtime as if it was just a video game. The media sure did a great job of cheerleading then. But lets go way back to one of Obama&#8217;s heroes. That would be Ronald Reagan and the Iran Contra mess. I remember that too. Congress had specifically banned the US from selling weapons to South and Central America by refusing to fund it (the power of the purse), so Reagan sold arms to Iran. They then took the proceeds from those arm sales and gave the money to the Guerillas in Central America to help overthrow their Democratically elected government. There were no hearings. Immunity was granted to everyone. We had provided Iran with arms yet Reagan was considered the greatest. Just ask Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: American Girl in Italy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196649</link>
		<dc:creator>American Girl in Italy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you bother to read either of my posts on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you bother to read either of my posts on this?</p>
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		<title>By: sarainitaly</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196646</link>
		<dc:creator>sarainitaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please stop attacking people for their personal opinions. there was nothing offensive about Babs comment that should justify telling her to *get a brain*.

personally I think what Nixon did pales in comparison to what the DNC/Obama campaign did this past primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please stop attacking people for their personal opinions. there was nothing offensive about Babs comment that should justify telling her to *get a brain*.</p>
<p>personally I think what Nixon did pales in comparison to what the DNC/Obama campaign did this past primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196594</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, I have posted in the past about how all Obama manifestations, such as this one, are merely planned and plotted machinations to distract us.

They seem to be working. We allow ourselves to buy into the idea that &quot;something is going to happen&quot;, while at the same time other things, such as looting the treasury in behalf of Wall-Street, &quot;actually are happening behind the scenes&quot;, unnoticed. 

Your post is right on target! 

We are witnessing, and will pay a great price for, masterful prestidigitation, unlike any we have ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, I have posted in the past about how all Obama manifestations, such as this one, are merely planned and plotted machinations to distract us.</p>
<p>They seem to be working. We allow ourselves to buy into the idea that &#8220;something is going to happen&#8221;, while at the same time other things, such as looting the treasury in behalf of Wall-Street, &#8220;actually are happening behind the scenes&#8221;, unnoticed. </p>
<p>Your post is right on target! </p>
<p>We are witnessing, and will pay a great price for, masterful prestidigitation, unlike any we have ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Remi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196579</link>
		<dc:creator>Remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent,An interesting read on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent,An interesting read on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Remi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196576</link>
		<dc:creator>Remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Sara and great cartoon……</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Sara and great cartoon……</p>
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		<title>By: Give Me Liberty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196561</link>
		<dc:creator>Give Me Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, didn&#039;t realize your a republican and so far up GW&#039;s ass. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s pretty dark up there so it&#039;s hard to see the light.
In my opinion, both party&#039;s are corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, didn&#8217;t realize your a republican and so far up GW&#8217;s ass. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s pretty dark up there so it&#8217;s hard to see the light.<br />
In my opinion, both party&#8217;s are corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196550</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O Obama
B BIG
A American
M Mistake
A Again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O Obama<br />
B BIG<br />
A American<br />
M Mistake<br />
A Again</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196549</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week Fienstein&#039;s husband got a huge contract worth 25 billion.  That is one of the cover-ups the Barraf administration is accomplishing.  While the MSM is talking about his first 100 days as TOTUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week Fienstein&#8217;s husband got a huge contract worth 25 billion.  That is one of the cover-ups the Barraf administration is accomplishing.  While the MSM is talking about his first 100 days as TOTUS.</p>
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		<title>By: Yop</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/26/whos-going-down-for-the-torture-memos/#comment-1196485</link>
		<dc:creator>Yop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why you are focused so much on Obama. He really has nothing to do with who may get prosecuted. It is a leagal matter and up to the DOJ.

Should be as simple as that. If someone broke the law they should be prosecuted. Let the chips fall where they may.

Bush on down. I don&#039;t think the democrats where writing the policy. They may have had some kind of knowledge of something, although that is highly debatable, but it was not there bag.

We need this to prevent this from happening again and to bring some dignity back to this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why you are focused so much on Obama. He really has nothing to do with who may get prosecuted. It is a leagal matter and up to the DOJ.</p>
<p>Should be as simple as that. If someone broke the law they should be prosecuted. Let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>Bush on down. I don&#8217;t think the democrats where writing the policy. They may have had some kind of knowledge of something, although that is highly debatable, but it was not there bag.</p>
<p>We need this to prevent this from happening again and to bring some dignity back to this country.</p>
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