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The More Things Change…

The more they stay the same. Sad to say, but true, no matter what the Obama PR machine says about the whole Hope-y, Change-y Unicorn Magical Mystery Tour, change seems to take a mighty long time. Oh, sure, things started out well while reading the Sunday paper. I was reading the latest critical information on Hugh Jackman in Parade Magazine, and came across this interesting piece:

Despite his obviously close relationship with his wife, whispers have persisted since he played Peter Allen that Jackman himself might be gay. “I’d be happy to go and deny it, because I’m not,” he says. “But by denying it, I’m saying there is something shameful about it, and there isn’t anything shameful. The questions about sexuality I find more here in America than anywhere else, because it’s a big hang-up and defines what people think about themselves and others. It’s not a big issue in Australia.” (Emphasis mine.)

Yeah. No freakin’ kidding. Ahem. But then I continued to read the paper, and came across a piece about the Presbyterian Church (USA), Fidelity-Chastity Ordination Standard remains in place in PC(USA). That is to say, they won’t ordain gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people. That’s the bottom line. And I hope you catch WHY that is: Fidelity-Chastity Ordination Standard is the reason why. Because you know, we homosexual types can’t possibly be faithful in relationships, and generally speaking, we cannot get married in the United States (only a few states permit it). And then there’s that whole chastity thing if single, meaning, not legally married. So, just a bit of a burden on the entire GLBT community. Still, the article goes on to say the issue of ordination for GLBT people is not over, especially since the vote was closer than ever. But it is not to be yet.

That is the sad fact reinforced for Lisa Larges, a graduate of San Francisco Theological Seminary, who has been trying to get ordained for 23 years now. That is not a typo - twenty-three years. Just a month ago came the verdict detailed in this article, Synod court rescinds San Francisco Presbytery vote on open lesbian’s readiness for examination for ordination,Examination, not certification of readiness, is proper time for ‘scrupling’:

The Permanent Judicial Commission of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)’s Synod of the Pacific has rescinded a January 2008 decision by San Francisco Presbytery that long-time candidate and open lesbian Lisa Larges is “ready for examination [for ordination] with a departure.”

The court ruled on March 25 that the presbytery erred by prematurely considering Larges’ declaration of a “scruple” (conscientious objection) to G-6.0106b ― which requires of church officers “fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity in singleness.”

“The examination for ordination is the proper time for (the) Presbytery to determine whether or not a candidate’s departure constitutes a failure to adhere to the essentials of Reformed faith and polity,” the court said.

If only the Presbyterian Church was as faithful to Ms. Larges as she has been to them. Can you imagine trying for so long for something you felt called to do by a higher power, something for which you were qualified in every way, except one - who you loved? Oh, and despite your qualifications, you are denied the opportunity to serve because of whom you love by an institution that is built on the very foundation of love, at least according to its founder. Wow. (There is more to the article above. Just click on the link if you want to read it.)

But you know, at least I haven’t heard of any Presbyterian ministers being brought to trial for being ordained and homosexual at the same time like the Methodists have. Coincidentally (yeah, right), the two who have been were both women. Oh, don’t think this was back in the dark ages or anything. Heck no, it was in 2004. And it wasn’t in some rural backwater somewhere. It was in Philadelphia, the city of Fraternal Love (that is the more accurate translation) How ironic is THAT? Anyway, the Rev. Irene Elizabeth Stroud was defrocked for being in a monogamous lesbian relationship. Her congregation did not want this, I might add, and still employs her as a lay person.

And let’s not forget the Lutherans. They want to defrock the Rev. Bradley Schmeling, a man they knew was gay because he has now found a life partner. The assumption being that he is having sex while still single (that whole pesky marriage thing again, you know). That’s right. He has been brought up on charges because he found someone with whom to share his life:

The Rev. Bradley Schmeling was chosen in 2000 to lead St. John’s, though some worried his sexuality could threaten its standing with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. But last year, the 350-member congregation threw a party for him and his partner, when Schmeling announced he had found a lifelong companion.

Bishop Ronald Warren of the ELCA’s Southeastern Synod, however, asked the 44-year-old pastor to resign. When Schmeling refused, Warren started disciplinary proceedings against him for violating church rules barring sex outside of marriage.

Holy Smokes.

I could go on, but you get the point. Hugh Jackman was putting it mildly when he said we have a “hang up” about homosexuality in this country, and our churches are right in the midst of it all. Not just the right-wing, evangelical, fundamentalist churches either, but mainstream denominations.

While I appreciate the optimism of some in PC(USA), I wish I could share it, but I can’t. When you have two major states passing anti-gay measures (Prop 8 in CA, an act strongly supported by Obama’s choice to lead his Faith Tour, Doug Kmiec, and Amendment 2 in Florida), and a President who campaigns with Donnie “Jesus Cured Me Of My Homosexuality” McClurkin; who counts as one of his closest friends and confidantes a man who is not just homophobic, but ACTIVELY anti-gay in the person of IL State Senator, James Meeks; and who chooses - HAND PICKS - a man who is actively anti-gay to chair the Democratic National Committee, Tim Kaine, I just cannot muster the same level of hope for change in these mainstream denominations. Heck, I don’t have a lot of hope for our entire nation, not just for the churches (or synagogues, or mosques, etc.). Not in this time, and not with this president. I would love to be proven wrong, though, but I gotta say, I’m not holding my breath.

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Comment by Animal Control | 2009-04-27 15:30:41

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
nice lines.

 

Comment by Cindy | 2009-04-27 17:06:17

This society, with Obama’s help, treats homosexuality and the gay lifestyle like they do the womenfolk. As long as something titillating is going on to help feed the media, they can’t get enough. But, when it gets right down to actually doing something positive concerning gay rights and women’s rights, they (Obama, the media, Democrats, et al) throw us all back into the 1950’s again, and then act like there’s something wrong with US if we don’t like their prejudices!
Holy Smokes, indeed!

 

Comment by Ellen D | 2009-04-27 17:06:21

The times they are a-changing. This is an idea whose time has come and no one will be able to stop gay marriage from being legal across the United States.

California’s Prop 8 was a surprise to most Californians who didn’t expect the black vote would be so overwhelmingly against gay marriage. Who knew?

Next vote, without Obama on the ballot, will put California back in the pro-gay-marriage column.

 

Comment by Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq | 2009-04-27 17:25:06

cripes if being faithful is what they use to measure gays then that would apply to a large portion of the male population. Give me a friggin’ break.

 

Comment by Benjamin Franklin Berfle | 2009-04-27 17:40:24

Sad to say, but true, no matter what the Obama PR machine says about the whole Hope-y, Change-y Unicorn Magical Mystery Tour, change seems to take a mighty long time.

Yep. And that’s where the wheels fall off That One’s bus. It was never about change, which was just a bone thrown to a group of really stupid dogs, who are still lapping that hogwash up, as though hogwash is in short supply. It is about the status quo all wrapped up in a new, shiny package that is rotten at its core, smells to high heaven, and is noxious to those who are cognizant.

 

Comment by foxyladi14 | 2009-04-27 18:48:38

he hypnotized a looooot of people.
i wasn’t one thank goodness..

 

Comment by CG | 2009-04-27 19:01:46

This is risky to share from a standpoint of easily being misunderstood. Hopefully you are clear where I stand and won’t take offense, and chuckle a little like me…
the cartoon Bert of Sesame Street weighs in on gay marriage

You’re right unfortunately, not with this president; it’s safer to breathe…

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-04-27 20:17:07

That cartoon was hilarious! And yes, CG, we know you here, and are GLAD you are here! :-)

It is truly a shame that religion in general is so threatened by sexuality that it feels it has to try and control it.

And what it says abt these denominations denying the sanctity of the partnerships of people they deemed worthy enough to ordain BEFORE they knew whom they loved, is not good, to put it mildly. How abt this: it’s not Christian, for cryin’ out loud. Clearly, they need to go back and take a look at the stories Jesus told (like the Good Samaritan, for example, a person who was considered the lowest of the low in his time). Again, wow.

 
 

Comment by mountainaires | 2009-04-27 19:42:10

Oh, for God’s Sake.

Literally, I mean.

How pathetic people can be about their RELIGIOUS zealotry. In my own personal view, it’s the fundamental [pun intended] source of all the world’s evils. Money is nothing, when it comes to RELIGIOUS zealotry.

I was confirmed in the Presbyterian church as a child; left it long ago, and will never go back. I cannot imagine how people could believe such offensive bullshit, much less pray to it in a church. Shameful.

 

Comment by Cindy | 2009-04-27 22:50:48

Rev. Amy—-just saw your puppy video. oh my god, i’d love one…but we’re in Texas. Do you deliver??!!!

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-04-28 07:44:47

I could be convinced to deliver to Texas!

I just came in a few minutes ago from feeding them, and playing with them. They “help” me feed the birds, and go get the newspaper. Now, they are sacked out again! :-)

 
 

Comment by Anne | 2009-04-27 22:51:19

Can someone tell me gently what happened to Dr. Lynette Long and the documentary detailing the caucus fraud? My ex-democratic party is holding a local meeting to talk about fair elections. I think they have no place discussing this without Dr. Long’s information, which seems to be password protected. What happened to her site? I think I know, but am hating the reality. Same thing happened to Steve Diamond. To survive, one must go underground. And who is apologizing for what?

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-04-28 07:50:17

Are you talking abt the, “We Will Not Be Silenced” documentary?

I can tell you that Kathleen Wynne, formerly of Black Box Voting, and I, plan to show, in two parts, another documentary on the voting irregularities and caucus fraud with live chat discussions following each one. Even though I know she’s busy, I plan to ask my friend, Peniel Cronin, to join in - she wrote the most comprehensive report on caucus fraud, and is amazing.

As For Dr. Long, I understand she has not been well, hence why Paulie Abeles took over her show. We all wish her a speedy return to good health.

 
 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-04-27 23:27:43

The whole issue of sexuality spills over into the straight community, too, particularly for women. On Paulie’s radio show this evening, she related a comment about Hillary Clinton, someone commenting that, “Oh, well I guess we’re going to elect a lesbian President.”

It’s meant as a stinging cut because any women in a position of power and strength is automatically questioned about her sexuality. If this was not an issue then the comment would have no clout.

So, as a straight woman, I would say this is an issue for all of us, male, female; gay and straight. When the issue itself becomes a weapon to hold one particular group down it invariably holds us all down.

The church issue is particularly compelling from a Christian perspective. We either believe in love and respect. Or we don’t. The Jesus of my childhood accepted everyone. What’s not to understand?

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-04-27 23:42:51

Btw, did anyone see the play or the movie “Doubt?” In a very subtle and devastating way, it addresses this question of sexuality in the Catholic Church, the faith I grew up in, the one that my family has been tied to forever.

I thought it was an extraordinary exploration and raises as many questions as it does answers. If you want to have a night of conversation, this drama will take you there.

 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-04-28 07:41:50

Excellent point, Peggy Sue. It IS meant as a criticism, which is why I appreciated Hugh Jackman’s comment abt not wanting to “deny” he was gay the way people want him to because it implies shame where he sees none.

Great comments, friends.

 
 

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